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Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Pirates, preferences, and the post-timorous

Adam Carolla has a pirate ship.  It is not a coincidence that he is one of the few men who harbor no fear of being called "raciss" by the cowards in the media and on the Internet. But he's far from the only one and the numbers of the racially post-timorous are rapidly growing as more and more individuals of European descent become increasingly tribal by virtue of their increased exposure to Africans, Hispanics, Asians, and others from non-European tribes.
“The Huffington Post has come out with a story that says ‘Adam Carolla to Gavin Newsom: ‘What’s wrong with blacks and Latinos?’’” Carolla said. “That’s not what I said to Gavin Newsom. I didn’t bring up blacks and Latinos. He brought up blacks and Latinos. But let me take this moment to now talk to all the pussies that are out there trying to stir things up and turn me into a racist. I got news for you: Me saying parents should stick around and raise the children – me saying families and cultures should focus on education — is not radical or revolutionary. It’s the fucking truth.”

Carolla, author of “Not Taco Bell Material,” said that while Newsom is quick to blame “the system,” Newsom happens to be a part of what’s wrong that system.

“You are the system, Gavin Newsom,” Carolla said. “Fix the system, but you won’t fix the system, because you know what it takes to fix the system and you’re a fucking coward. And guys like Huffington Post — you guys fucking line up behind these people and let me tell you something, you guys all have blood on your hands, because the problem could be fixed. It’s a problem, and it’s a problem that involves bodies. People die every year.”

“There’s people getting shot,” Carolla added. “There’s brown people shooting other brown people on the streets of Chicago every fucking day of the week. And you guys sit there silently. If it was a Sandy Hook situation or anything else, you’d be all up in arms. But you can’t say a word, so you sit there with your fucking coward hands over your fucking little cowardly soup coolers. And then when somebody has the guts to say something — to speak the truth for fucking one hot second, you jump up his ass and call him a racist. Thus, you silence the media. Now you perpetuate the problem....

“So let me tell you something — I got something called a pirate ship, Huffington Post,” Carolla said. “I don’t give a fuck about you and your fucking opinions.... Keep going, Huffington Post,” he said. “Keep pointing fingers at people who speak out. Good job, media. Silence everyone who says there’s a problem. Silence everyone who attempts to take a problem and really earnestly get them out of poverty, to really earnestly try to look at the problem realistically, to look at the problem of violence, to look at the problem of education, to look at the socio-economic problem — someone who really honestly tries to take a look at this problem. You silence them by calling them a racist. 
The reality from which the conservative, mainstream, and progressive medias are all averting their eyes is that a substantial percentage of the minority population of America are, in the words of Ta-Nehisi Coates about his wife, at war with white people. No amount of unscientific racial goodthink, no bien-pensant justifications for inordinately criminal behavior by people of a certain color, no ritual confessions of anti-racism by people living in pure lily-white communities is going to change that fact.

Jews understand tribe.  Africans understand tribe.  Hispanics understand tribe.  Asians understand tribe.  But because they collectively and intentionally rejected their tribal identity in favor of an amorphous Anglo-Saxon creed to which virtually none of them understand or subscribe anymore, white Americans will continue to be bewildered and victimized as a result of failing to understand the games being played until they rediscover the concept of tribal loyalty to one's own kind.

And rediscover it they will, whether they want to or not. As the Washington Post article about the growing "racial consciousness" of liberal white Democrats forced to confront an unexpected Hispanic intrusion into their middle class lives illustrates, it is only a matter of time and sufficient inter-tribal contact.
It’s assumed that, as the United States becomes increasingly non-white, white Democrats will continue to support the party. But a substantial amount of social-science evidence suggests a different conclusion: As the United States becomes more racially and ethnically diverse, liberal whites might start leaning Republican....

The results were clear. After coming into contact, for just minutes each day, with two more Latinos than they would otherwise see or interact with, the riders, who were mostly white and liberal, were sharply more opposed to allowing more immigrants into the country and favored returning the children of illegal immigrants to their parents’ home country. It was a stark shift from their pre-experiment interviews, during which they expressed more neutral attitudes.

Political scientists, economists, sociologists and psychologists have long noted that, under most circumstances, when people from different ethnic, racial and religious groups come into new contact, conflict ensues.
The process of white tribal rediscovery likely to be more than a little ugly, as are the some of the potential consequences.  Just as the legacy of importing Africans continues to resonate in a negative manner hundreds of years after the initial importation, the problems related to the legacy of importing Hispanics, Asians, Jews, and other tribal peoples will likely be an order of magnitude or two higher. A peaceful geographic breakup of the Union is probably the best for which we can hope.

Ultimately, it isn't about race per se, as race is a clumsy and outdated term that doesn't fit well with the genetic science that is rapidly eroding the great myth of human equality.  It is about tribe, a fractal concept that encompasses race but goes considerably beyond it.  And tribal differences are so profound, that as Steve Sailer notes, they are more easily distinguished on the basis of preferences than religion, ideology, sexual orientation or even sex.
A new study out of Cambridge University uses a database of Facebook "likes" to predict demographic and personality information about individuals. Race (black v. white, ignoring other races) turns out to be the easiest to predict based on what stuff people like. The Cambridge model gets race right 95% of the time, compared to only 93% of the time for sex.

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Anonymous castricv March 12, 2013 5:49 AM  

I have always liked Corrola and by proxy Jimmy Kimmel, even though he is pretty crass and still one of the Repub true believers in many ways. It is good to see more public figures saying to hell with you to the cowards and liars.

Racial Realism will NOT happen fast enough to make a real difference for the U.S proper, however what it will do is give an unbreakable bloc to Republicans (a more white party if you will) sometime around 2020 until around 2036 or so. Why will this happen? Easy, whites will begin to become more of a voting bloc like everyone else and as they do, even with declining demographics, all it would take is a 60/40 split in 2020, a 63/37 in 2024 etc etc. to win. This will happen.

However around 2040, unless whites become almost North Korean (like blacks) in their voting habits, sheer demographics will swing back and absolute racial tyranny will begin on a scale that will make us nostalgic for Obama.

This is why it is imperative for all of us here to promote and actively participate in any realistic seccession movements as they present themselves going into this time frame. It is our last and only hope for successfully getting it done. We will be in a position of power so the armies won't stop us, but we will need to fortify the new nation quickly before the parasites can move in or invade when we lose power, and we must take advantage of the new spirit of race realism to not be afraid to completely repel anyone who does not fit the mold for the new nation. We must actively promote this in the rest of the West and make strong alliances with the Asian blocs. A world of slave and master is approaching and we have to fight to not be a dying slave race.

Think of the coming few decades as forcing the entire country into the South. Education here is of lower quality, poverty abounds, we have the highest percentage of blacks, etc. However, every real Southern state votes staunchly Republican because Whites vote between 70-85% Republican. These people have to live with this situation everyday and know that if they do not fight it, everything turns into Memphis or Birmingham. Southerns are not racists because they are backwoods rednecks, they are racist as a matter of survival.

Anonymous VryeDenker March 12, 2013 5:50 AM  

As seen in South Africa, not even Xhosas and Zulus can get along. And they have remarkably similar traditions and languages that are mutually understandable. They even look the same (is it racist to say that?). I can tell a Basotho from a Pedi, but I can't tell a Zulu from a Xhosa.

Translated into American terms: people who look, think and act the same but just sound marginally different can't get along, yet it is expected that they will get along with people who don't.

Blogger Doom March 12, 2013 5:54 AM  

You hope for your "best outcome", I will hope for mine. They aren't the same. With mine there would be a complete rethinking of many things. With yours, the borders would simply close in a bit while the situation on the ground continues to crumble as it has been. Both will be expensive but one treats the dying nation to a potential if different lifestyle, the other just adds an oxygen mask to extend the illness. Pick your poison, it will hurt no matter. I would rather take a harsh medicine and fully recover, or die, than take a milder pill and merely gasp a little longer. ymmv

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 5:55 AM  

The process of white tribal rediscovery likely to be more than a little ugly, as are the some of the potential consequences.

Well, we'll just have to let various white tribes work where they will be most useful: let the Italians run the bureaucracy, let the Germans manage the money supply, let the Wasps manage the legal system, let the Scots-Irish manage industry and military affairs, and let the Irish attack the other tribes without the law as it were.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 12, 2013 5:56 AM  

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 12, 2013 5:57 AM  

And what of the increasing development of mixed-race families?

Anonymous VryeDenker March 12, 2013 6:01 AM  

And what of the increasing development of mixed-race families?

What, outside of daytime television and niche porn?

Anonymous VD March 12, 2013 6:15 AM  

What, outside of daytime television and niche porn?

And then there are commercials. I counted once during an hour of evening television. Every third couple was mixed-race, mostly white female-black male.

Whereas at Disneyland Paris, where the adults are mostly 40 and younger, I saw virtually no couples like this, although I did see a few groups of twenty-something white mothers with brown babies and no husbands or boyfriends around. It was mostly white-white, black-black, and brown-brown.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 6:26 AM  

Whereas at Disneyland Paris, where the adults are mostly 40 and younger, I saw virtually no couples like this, although I did see a few groups of twenty-something white mothers with brown babies and no husbands or boyfriends around. It was mostly white-white, black-black, and brown-brown.

We see the same patterns here.

Anonymous LL March 12, 2013 6:41 AM  

Ace of Spades has something to say about whiteness on tv. haha Cracked me up

Anonymous VryeDenker March 12, 2013 6:41 AM  

I've seen maybe 30 interracial couples in the 13 years I've lived in Cape Town (the progressive mecca of South Africa). No doubt there are many more, but I've only ever seen 30 or so. Mostly it's a white chick who looks like she's on the verge of becoming a crack whore and is probably "paying" for her fix in non-monetary terms. Otherwise there were a handful of lower-class couples and only one that could be described as "middleclass" and even then the wife seemed to be embarrassed by her husband's "stereotypical" characteristics.

Blogger JD Curtis March 12, 2013 6:57 AM  

As America (and the world) becomes increasingly detached from biblical principles and the overall concept of sin, it seems that the Mainstream Media LOVES to point their collective fingers at what they deem to be instances of racism/bigotry/homophobia. It would be interesting to see a Nexus search on how often these terms have come up in recent years compared to years past.

Carolla is quite right when he argues that it is far easier for the Media to attack such boogeymen as (perceived) racism/bigotry/homophobia than to speak out against the failure of parents to raise their kids right or chastise people about illegitimacy. Just chalk up whatever sentiment the white majority is expressing at a given time to any of what they deem to be the three mortal sins of our day and adopt an air of moral superiority while doing so as western civilization crashes and burns. At least they'll feel good about themselves.

Anonymous FP March 12, 2013 7:11 AM  

"Laramie Hirsch March 12, 2013 5:57 AM

And what of the increasing development of mixed-race families?"

Like Judd Hirsch, at home on the prarie. Riding a horse, drivin the cattle, smokin a pack of Marlboros and waving a Benetton flag.

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 7:22 AM  

Carolla has it right. Liberals have abandoned principle in favor of identity. It's the same effect as a baseball umpire changing the strike zone depending on the race and gender of the pitcher or batter based on bizarre theories like Critical Pedagogy, New Jim Crow, White Privilege and feminists who can fight in front line combat units but not stop an unarmed man from taking their conceal carry.

Carolla realizes that liberals have taken common sense and turned it into a ideology where nature is racist, sand wet, and every act of failure by Scalzi's underprivileged "Gay Minority Female" is accompanied by a manual of excuses and blame.

Scalzi and Carolla are fundamentally opposed to one another. Carolla is a baseball umpire who calls 'em like he sees him and doesn't wonder if the balls and strikes pile up racially in America. It is what it is.

Scalzi sees balls and strikes pile up racially and he has only one solution, and it is the undefined mechanics of racism, colonialism, a good ol' boy network, privilege and a post-Jim Crow America.

For Scalzi, there is a white person behind any failure of a non-white person and anywhere in the world. In fact the failure in this regard is a failure of simple vision and principle. It's why I sub-titled an essay I wrote about Scalzi's racist white privilege article "The lowest principle there is."

Carolla is right: the worst institutional (formally tribal) racists in America are liberal whites, and non-whites and their racial congressional tri-caucuses. The HuffPo has articles that call Clint Eastwood's Carmel, CA "frighteningly white" but if you call Detroit "frighteningly black" out come the Nazi slippers. That is not only a wholesale abandonment of principle, it is Orwellian delusion.

Blogger mmaier2112 March 12, 2013 7:24 AM  

I still find the black "tribe" to be funny, especially how they display hostility (badly-disguised envy, it seems to me) towards blacks with lighter skin then they have.

Corolla's guest comes off as a total pussy.

Blogger JD Curtis March 12, 2013 7:25 AM  

Dear Wormwood, We Are Winning

Anonymous RedJack March 12, 2013 7:26 AM  

As Vox said, it isn't just mixed race, it is mixed tribe. In other words, when a Catholic marries a Lutheran, there is some major issues (if both are believers).

Now take it a few steps beyond. I know of one mixed race couple, a black man and a white woman, who are of the same "tribe". He was adopted, rasied a Lutheran, went to a mostly white university, and married another Lutheran woman.

But their kids had to make a choice of what race/tribe to belong to. Their parents left their home area and came to a place with a larger minority population. The kids are stuck, because if they try to follow their Dad's lead, they are accused of "acting white". If they follow the standard path of most black kids in my area, they will be in prison or welfare. Right now they have chosen the former.

Mixed race marriages, like mix tribe ones, can work. But they put an awful strain on things, and will hurt the kids.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 7:36 AM  

I think the whole study is interesting. It reflects all kinds of nifty things, like which groups are more externally focused.

Blogger Amy March 12, 2013 7:38 AM  

This made me cringe. A lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FCmaSIC1sz0

OpenID meistergedanken March 12, 2013 7:55 AM  

"Jews understand tribe. Africans understand tribe. Hispanics understand tribe. Asians understand tribe. But because they collectively and intentionally rejected their tribal identity in favor of an amorphous Anglo-Saxon creed to which virtually none of them understand or subscribe anymore, white Americans will continue to be bewildered and victimized as a result of failing to understand the games being played until they rediscover the concept of tribal loyalty to one's own kind."

Behold the consequences of Christianity - in particular, its ultimate form, Protestantism! The seeds were planted long ago with Paul's dream of outreach to the Gentiles and spread from there. I'm surprised Vox hasn't discerned this, although I have noticed that despite claiming to be christian in theology he does not appear to be remotely christian in outlook. Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here. Not that I care - I'm an agnostic, and I agree with Vox's political views, but I don't need to experience the cognitive dissonance of trying to reconcile those views with the rather straightforward dictates of Christianity - love your neighbor (and your enemies!) as yourself, help those in need, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, etc. Hell with that. It was Christians who came up with the "Brotherhood of Man" dream in direct contrast to tribalism, and the West has been paying for it ever since. And this is the innate flaw of Christianity: it directly contradicts human nature. So in practice, it always FAILS. Just like Communism. (aside to readers: look up how the most early christian communities were essentially communist in practice, had property in common, etc.)

And yes, I know Hispanics are allegedly christian, but they are that weird sort of socialist, liberation theology-minded Roman Catholicism that dovetails so nicely with the politics of parasitism.

Anonymous ericcs March 12, 2013 8:03 AM  

Racial identification is the precursor to cultural identification. We are talking about positive statistical correlations, not absolute generalizations. Given some pithy, terse memes, whites can start to move past their paralyzing fear of being considered racist.

Whites owe blacks nothing.
Whites do not cause black failure, black failure is endemic to blacks.
Reality is racist.

Anonymous VD March 12, 2013 8:04 AM  

Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here.

Why do you think these things require permitting mass invasion and the total destruction of one's culture? How is it compassionate or charitable to permit Africans to destroy Atlanta, Detroit, and Washington DC? How is it loving to permit Mexicans to drive down wage rates so that Americans cannot support their families? And how can one forgive the unrepentant?

You are making a fundamental category error, akin to wondering why I seldom exhibit any indication of being an NFL player while I'm in the middle of playing a baseball game.

Blogger Amy March 12, 2013 8:07 AM  

meistergedanken,

The commandment to Love Thy Neighbor has a far deeper meaning than just being kind and diffident to everyone you meet. I leave it to Kristor, a blogger at The Orthosphere, to explain it, as he does it far better than I can and his post illuminated some of my own issues with the matter

http://orthosphere.org/2013/03/04/the-second-great-commandment/

The salient paragraph, for me, was this

we are to love the good and hate the bad in other people just as we love the good and hate the bad in ourselves. In order to do that—in order to move closer to goodness and further from wickedness in ourselves, and in our society, and in the creation at large—we must discriminate between good and bad, and choose goodness. That we forgive the wickedness of our enemies does not automatically make them friends; and if they cannot let go of their deadly hatred of us, then in order to control the risk to us of their hatred, we must perforce destroy them with it. In that case, we cannot survive to forgive them except by defending ourselves, and working their destruction, however that may grieve us.

Whether or not Christianity can be truly catholic (or even Catholic) remains a troublesome spot for me. Cambria Will Not Yield discusses the idea of Europe, and the European and all of his White descendants, as the home of Christ, the place where Christianity found its best and purest form, in the hearth fires and ties of kith and kin, where expressing our love for our "tribe" fulfills the commandment to love God and our neighbors as ourselves. When you start to look for kith-and-kin outside of your kinship ties, though, you run into problems, and become like the Jews wandering in the desert, making false idols to replace a God you've forgotten in pursuit of the pleasures of the world and loosening family/tribal ties.

Anonymous RedJack March 12, 2013 8:21 AM  

Amy
The major question was, once upon a time, if Christianity could really be embraced by the germanic barbarians. You know, the same people who you just said are the home people of the Church.

But the act of bringing them in to the Church changed it. That is one of the major reasons for the Reformation. A church set up for Romans doesn't work as well for Germans.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:26 AM  

And this is the innate flaw of Christianity: it directly contradicts human nature.

I suspect this guy would support a society built on universal rape, since selfishness and brutality are totally consistent with human nature. It'd have to succeed!

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 8:28 AM  

"Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here."

To have such things without a leavening of common sense and pragmatic rationalism amounts to a suicide cult. Christians live in a real world, not some imagined dimension where everyone shares their value system.

Blogger Amy March 12, 2013 8:28 AM  

RedJack,

I think on CWNY's position about the European hearthfires as the true home of Christ and wonder if he's on to something or if I'm missing something. I identify as Christian but Roman Catholicism has lost me as a member of its church. Something in CWNY's position rings true with me, hence I continue to read him. Was the RC correct in evangelizing the world, in bringing Catholicism to people for whom it had little meaning due to a difference in origins and traditions? Does the meaning of a faith transform upon contact and merger with other cultures? Can Christ mean the same thing to an African as He means to a European or a Latin American person?

I truly want to know, for if the whole world is Christian then, theoretically, faith will unite us and we will have no further struggles, but that does not seem to be enough, for the very reason you state: a Church that works for one culture/race does not necessarily fit every other.

Blogger Brad Andrews March 12, 2013 8:36 AM  

All this upcoming tension makes me wonder whether living in Texas is a great idea over the next few decades. Parts are good, but La Reconquista is in full motion in many ways.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 8:37 AM  

White folks in the deep south understand the tribe. Otherwise you wouldn't see the voluntary segregation that exists down here.

OpenID meistergedanken March 12, 2013 8:38 AM  

Vox, you are missing the bigger picture. You write about a lot of different topics here, not just "mass invasion" by people of other cultures. Nonetheless, in the last year or so I've been reading your blog I haven't seen any of these other posts show any of the Christian qualities I mentioned. Other than you claiming to BE a christian, there is no evidence of your faith on this blog. Maybe it's merely your online persona - like Howard Stern is supposedly very courteous and personable in real life away from the sound booth. Do you behave differently away from your computer?

Admittedly, many people who claim to be christians don't act like them, but I have known a handful of "Godly" people who have taken the Gospel to heart, and it is definitely - and consistently - reflected in their conduct. "By their fruits shall you know them."

Don't get me wrong, Vox, I'm glad you are not a real Christian - your writing would not be nearly as informative and entertaining.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:39 AM  

Amy, does Christ "mean the same thing" to any two people, regardless? He's the same Person, which means the doctrine doesn't change, but no two pairs of people have the exact same relationship.

"Does the meaning of a faith transform upon contact and merger with other cultures?" Is the whole Body an eye? Different expressions don't necessarily mean different meanings. I'd think the only problem is when the expressions run to heresy.

I'm not a postmodernist or whatever. I'm just saying there's room for some reasonable variation in the Body.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:45 AM  

Meister, at least one instance of his being kind and Christian to a reader looms very large in my mind. It may be because I'm a solipsistic woman that it does, but it does.

And you didn't see that post during your long readership? How did that happen?

Anonymous Orville March 12, 2013 8:45 AM  

What, outside of daytime television and niche porn?

Wished it were so here, but in the great unwashed mid-west I can't swing a dead cat without hitting some great white whale who hooked up with a black baby daddy.

Proudly putting the "R" in RSHD.

OpenID meistergedanken March 12, 2013 8:51 AM  

Vox wrote: "How is it compassionate or charitable to permit Africans to destroy Atlanta, Detroit, and Washington DC? How is it loving to permit Mexicans to drive down wage rates so that Americans cannot support their families?"

Luke 6:29 – “If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other.”
Matthew 5:40 – “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.”

Coroally: if Mexicans want to take California, let them have Texas also.

Come on, the Gospel isn't really that complicated. It only gets complicated when people need to twist it so that they can continue to hold their non-Christian or pre-Christian views.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard March 12, 2013 8:55 AM  

Coroally: if Mexicans want to take California, let them have Texas also.

"Corollary". But your ability to invent new spellings that bear little resemblance to the original is impressive.

How fascinating, by the bye. I was not aware that the original Greek more clearly translates to "If someone slaps you on the cheek, turn to them that of the fellow standing next to you" and "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your neighbor's coat also".

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:56 AM  

Come on, the Gospel isn't really that complicated. It only gets complicated when people need to twist it so that they can continue to hold their non-Christian or pre-Christian views.

Asher, is that you?

Anonymous Make it stop March 12, 2013 8:57 AM  

"Coroally: if Mexicans want to take California, let them have Texas also."

If someone wants to rape your wife, throw in your daughter as part of the deal.

Idiot.

Anonymous Roundtine March 12, 2013 8:58 AM  

And what of the increasing development of mixed-race families?

They will choose sides. Culture will be the deciding factor. In a society with more assertive racial/ethnic lines, marrying outside the group will have larger consequences because there will be more cultural variation. It will be the death of multiculturalism.

OpenID meistergedanken March 12, 2013 8:59 AM  

Oh, I almost forgot:
"Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back."

I suppose if the sentiments expressed above haven't sunk in by now, they likely never will.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 9:04 AM  

You want to give us a citation on that last one, Meister? Naming the translation is also helpful, because most of the new ones are inaccurate.

Or is this just about trying to force Christians into a mold that suits you better?

Blogger Sleepy March 12, 2013 9:05 AM  

Always fun when those who are not Christian try and claim what does and does not qualify as "true" Christianity, always complete with their understanding of scripture. Taste the ethos.

OpenID meistergedanken March 12, 2013 9:17 AM  

Nothing elicits so much rage as a narcissistic injury.

So it is no surprise that some of the other readers have lashed out in the vitriolic way they have. You label yourselves as Christians, you have adopted it as part of your identity, and to have your identity "threatened" in this manner makes you rage beyond all proportion to the discussion. Don't worry, it will pass. Soon you will be able to regain your composure with your identity intact. I'm sorry; yes, you are all loving, caring, compassionate, virtuous Christians. What WAS I thinking?

Still, giving your Bible of choice a good once-over might be to your benefit.

Anonymous MakeItStop March 12, 2013 9:19 AM  



Vasily Grossman (Communist/Jew) criticizes Christianity especially, deeming its attempt to create universal good through peace and love responsible for many of the world’s most horrific events. “This doctrine caused more suffering than all of the crimes of people who did evil for its own sake,”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Grossman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Fate

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:27 AM  

"Oh, I almost forgot:
"Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back."

I suppose if the sentiments expressed above haven't sunk in by now, they likely never will."


Statements like this lend credibility to those who claim that the wide distribution of the Bible was a really bad idea.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 9:27 AM  

> Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here.

Then you're not looking.

> ...love your neighbor (and your enemies!) as yourself,

The second and greatest commandment doesn't include the "and your enemies!". And we've had that discussion here before. There is considerable disagreement about who qualifies as a neighbor and is therefore to be loved as yourself.

> Other than you claiming to BE a christian, there is no evidence of your faith on this blog.

It's a blog. You know, written words. What kind of evidence, other than written words, are you expecting to find?

Anonymous Loki of Asgard March 12, 2013 9:27 AM  

Wait, what am I thinking?

Yes. Yes, you Christians are bound by your own doctrine to be utter doormats. I demand your personal belongings and service for the rest of your pathetic lives.

You are now obligated to serve me, and I own all that you possess. You owe me for what I permit you to keep.

Now KNEEL.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 12, 2013 9:29 AM  

A slap on the face is an insult, not an attempt on one's life.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 9:30 AM  

Just because you're such a sweetheart, Meister, I'm going to invoke Rule 2 early. Citations and translation, pronto.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 9:32 AM  

*kneels*

...Reflex is a bitch sometimes.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:33 AM  

"A slap on the face is an insult, not an attempt on one's life."

And when Jesus turned the other cheek... it was not an act of submission. It was an act of rebellion.

of course... churchianity washed the truth out of that long ago.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 12, 2013 9:33 AM  

MakeItStop March 12, 2013 9:19 AM

Vasily Grossman (Communist/Jew) criticizes Christianity especially, deeming its attempt to create universal good through peace and love responsible for many of the world’s most horrific events. “This doctrine caused more suffering than all of the crimes of people who did evil for its own sake,”


That's rich, coming from a Communist!


Also telling there, that he seems Christianity only in worldly-political terms. That's not what the Gospel is about, at all.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:33 AM  

You label yourselves as Christians, you have adopted it as part of your identity, and to have your identity "threatened" in this manner makes you rage beyond all proportion to the discussion.

You must be a very confused man if you think that our Christian identity is threatened by your arguments.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:33 AM  

"...Reflex is a bitch sometimes."

hey! HEY! Its not that kind of a blog people. Get a room.

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 9:34 AM  

"yes, you are all loving, caring, compassionate, virtuous Christians."

Nothing exists in a vacuum - all things are relative. So, the question becomes, compared to what?

Hispanics are Christians. What is innately Christian about the National Council of the Race, which advocates by race?

What is innately Christian about Obama's racial hate speech at Hampton U in 2007, at a minister's conference of all things?

What is innately Christian about Obama's 20 year stint at a United Trinity racial cult that awarded its highest honor to the most famous Jew-hater in America, Louis Farrakhan?

In each instance race trumps religion.

I see no title on this blog that indicates it is formally and purposefully organized around the concept of race. Until it does, consider your words more carefully, because criticism of a value system is not the same thing as a disdain for race. Singapore isn't white. Do you ever hear anyone carping about Singapore? They're successful; no one cares. This is about failure and the racial hate speech and blame which emanates from that failure. It's the whole point of what Carolla said.

Anonymous JartStar March 12, 2013 9:35 AM  

Oh, I almost forgot:
"Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back."


The Churchianity is strong in this one.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 9:35 AM  

> You label yourselves as Christians

Actually, in the strictest terms, I'm an agnostic. I believe in God, but I have no proof.

> ...and to have your identity "threatened" in this manner makes you rage beyond all proportion to the discussion.

You're not capable of offering that kind of threat, so you have nothing to worry about.

> I'm sorry; yes, you are all loving, caring, compassionate, virtuous Christians.

Not particularly so, no. And to the extent I am you wouldn't see it. Fortunately, perfection is not a requirement for our salvation. Christ did that for us.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:37 AM  

Vasily Grossman (Communist/Jew) criticizes Christianity especially, deeming its attempt to create universal good through peace and love responsible for many of the world’s most horrific events. “This doctrine caused more suffering than all of the crimes of people who did evil for its own sake,”

The communists killed more people in a single century than all Christian rulers combined in two millennia.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 12, 2013 9:38 AM  

Nate March 12, 2013 9:33 AM

"A slap on the face is an insult, not an attempt on one's life."

And when Jesus turned the other cheek... it was not an act of submission. It was an act of rebellion.

of course... churchianity washed the truth out of that long ago.


I think the stupidity started with the so-called "Church Fathers" - taking Christ's teachings totally out of their situational and cultural context. In same cases, twisting it into almost the opposite of what He actually said.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:40 AM  

And when Jesus turned the other cheek... it was not an act of submission. It was an act of rebellion.

Not to mention that Jesus didn't have to just slap him back...he could have called down fire from heaven. Meekness is not being run over, it's choosing to restrain your strength...which you can only do if you're stronger than your enemy.

Anonymous MendoScot March 12, 2013 9:41 AM  

So is this a new Aspie or a recycled Aspie? It becomes hard to distinguish.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 9:42 AM  

The communists killed more people in a single century than all Christian rulers combined in two millennia.

You have to remember, Josh, leftists consider it a "horrific event" and "causing suffering" when a child with a minor birth defect is born instead of being aborted.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:43 AM  

"The Churchianity is strong in this one."

no. he's agnostic remember? He's just puking up churchianity based platitudes and attempting to attack actual christians.

No doubt Jesus was wrong when He beat the crap out of the bankers at the temple. He should've welcomed them, and even given them additional temples to do banking in.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:44 AM  

Aspie? It becomes hard to distinguish.

Must be a new one, this one hasn't mentioned the heresy of the pro life movement, the nature of man, or metaphysics.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:46 AM  

No doubt Jesus was wrong when He beat the crap out of the bankers at the temple. He should've welcomed them, and even given them additional temples to do banking in.

Obviously that never happened because it would mess up our latest socially autistic angry omega atheist troll's diatribes.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 9:46 AM  

Must be a new one, this one hasn't mentioned the heresy of the pro life movement, the nature of man, or metaphysics.

Well, yes, he actually did mention the nature of man. He said that Christianity is the failzorz because it "directly contradicts human naturee".

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:48 AM  

Sigyn is award triple word score for her use of "failzorz".

Anonymous VD March 12, 2013 9:49 AM  

Vox, you are missing the bigger picture. You write about a lot of different topics here, not just "mass invasion" by people of other cultures. Nonetheless, in the last year or so I've been reading your blog I haven't seen any of these other posts show any of the Christian qualities I mentioned.

I suspect this says more about what you see than what is there. I'm not claiming to be some sort of Christian ideal, and certainly my cruel streak is a failing. But do you truly see no compassion in my ongoing attempts to warn others of what is likely of little, if any, concern to me? Do you really see no charity at all in my attempts to communicate with those who are genuinely interested in learning?

It's fine if you don't. I don't answer to you and I don't mind the observations. But I am a little surprised.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 12, 2013 9:50 AM  

Communists in particular, and the Secular Left in general, tend to "project" rather a lot. They will loudly accuse you of wanting to do to them, the very things they are plotting to do to you.

"Under Communism nobody starves!" screams the angry Marxist.
The reality?
Ethiopia is a Communist country.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:51 AM  

He said that Christianity is the failzorz because it "directly contradicts human naturee".

So he did. Thank you for pointing that out.

Of course, that is the main point of christianity. It does contradict human nature, and it must, to be redemptive.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 12, 2013 9:54 AM  

The Great Commission makes it quite clear that the gospel is to be spread to all persons of all cultures and tribes throughout the world. It is a divine command to all Christians and not open to question.

Fortunately, Christianity is a “simple and pleasant faith” adaptable to any ‘civilized’ culture and will civilize even the most barbaric of tribes. My own ancestors (Celts) gave up human sacrifice and “painting our bottoms blue” for it.

Allowing people to continue in barbarism is not loving or charitable. Minorities in this country made their greatest strides when the European Christian Tribe was the one to aspire to. Then came the great evil of the Civil Rights Movement and Open Immigration; these subsidized barbarism and made it comfortable, causing incalculable suffering both to the barbarians and their neighbors.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:54 AM  

It's fine if you don't. I don't answer to you and I don't mind the observations. But I am a little surprised.

Apparently posts about prayer requests from the ilk, baby announcements amongst the ilk, and updates on beau don't count...not to mention Christmas, theology, Easter, etc.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 9:56 AM  

He should've welcomed them, and even given them additional temples to do banking in.

That would explain Blankfein's claim to be doing God's work.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 9:56 AM  

Ethiopia is a Communist country.

But at least dem bitchez is skinny.

Anonymous earthman March 12, 2013 9:58 AM  

The white man's ice is always colder.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 9:59 AM  

> Apparently posts about prayer requests from the ilk, baby announcements amongst the ilk, and updates on beau don't count...not to mention Christmas, theology, Easter, etc.

All just words, Josh. Apparently he expects something more from a blog. Exactly what, I'm at a loss to explain.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 10:02 AM  

Apparently he expects something more from a blog. Exactly what, I'm at a loss to explain.

An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

Anonymous Josh March 12, 2013 10:03 AM  

The white man's ice is always colder.

Ice, ice baby.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 10:03 AM  

All just words, Josh. Apparently he expects something more from a blog. Exactly what, I'm at a loss to explain.

He's just butthurt because he expected to see, and perhaps take advantage of, milksop churchianity. You people need to learn your place! Christians are supposed to be prey for all right thinking people and it's high time you started acting like it around here.

Anonymous RedJack March 12, 2013 10:14 AM  

Amy,
If you look at how the Catholic church evangelized the global South, and compare it to how the Orthodox handled the East, you will see an interesting difference.

Outside of Europe, the Catholic Church realized that they could not force an alien culture into the Roman hybrid culture of the church. That is why Latin American and African Catholicism is different culturally (the Mass, festivals, Saints, etc) then in Europe. They changed the practice of the faith to fit the culture, but kept (until the 1960's) the language of the church the same. On paper the goal was to have each part of the Church believe the same thing, in practice it ended up being a bunch of smaller groups nominally under on head.

The Orthodox did a different tactic. Each group ended up with their own Church, complete with Mass, traditions, and language. The Russian Orthodox are culturaly different from the Greek. However, instead of pretending that they are the same they set up a structure where those differences exist, but they are acknowledged.

For the communication of the faith both have issues. But the Orthodox are in my opinion more open about, and have been able to preserve their faith in situations most Western churches die in.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 10:17 AM  

All just words, Josh. Apparently he expects something more from a blog. Exactly what, I'm at a loss to explain.

I think he expects fund drives for RAINN and Emily's List.

Anonymous ZhukovG March 12, 2013 10:17 AM  

Even though I am currently Roman Catholic, I do find the Orthodox...well, more Orthodox.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 10:23 AM  

People.

Then. Than.

Different words.

Dammit.

Anonymous Azimus March 12, 2013 10:24 AM  

...Pirate Ship...?

I can't figure it out, unless it's a euphemism for "gonads"? Can someone explain?

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 10:28 AM  

I can't figure it out, unless it's a euphemism for "gonads"? Can someone explain?

Wait to see what happens when he hoists the Jolly Roger.

...I'm so sorry.

Anonymous Hong Hu Shi March 12, 2013 10:32 AM  

All just words, Josh. Apparently he expects something more from a blog. Exactly what, I'm at a loss to explain.

[waits at door for Vox to come by for a hug]

...

This stupid blog isn't working!! [pouts]

Blogger SarahsDaughter March 12, 2013 10:36 AM  

If that video made you cringe, Amy, imagine your child coming home with their very own White Privilege wristband - lest he ever forget to shame himself.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 10:41 AM  

If that video made you cringe, Amy, imagine your child coming home with their very own White Privilege wristband - lest he ever forget to shame himself.

At least they don't make them sew it on their sleeves...yet.

Anonymous LL March 12, 2013 11:10 AM  

Here is another giggle inducer. Don't hug your kids or pet your dog, you'll become more racist. Heh

Anonymous patrick kelly March 12, 2013 11:11 AM  

meisterkrappentroller... obviously has no substantive critique or thoughts about the actual subject or content of the post so he resorts to passive aggressive name calling and antagonism.

meh...


Anonymous fnn March 12, 2013 11:15 AM  

"Under Communism nobody starves!" screams the angry Marxist.

See "Holodomor."

Anonymous The other skeptic March 12, 2013 11:23 AM  

"Under Communism nobody starves!" screams the angry Marxist.

See "Holodomor."


Those were the enemy of the people, you running-dog revisionist pig. Uncle Joe said so!

Anonymous JW March 12, 2013 11:26 AM  

Please see "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLb5GC3f6EY".

Seems to fit here.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 12, 2013 11:29 AM  

Keep in mind too that Adam Coralla is an atheist. And if an atheist can get it right when it comes to family, culture, and education, how much more should people who know where morality comes from?

Anonymous dh March 12, 2013 11:33 AM  

I suspect this says more about what you see than what is there. I'm not claiming to be some sort of Christian ideal, and certainly my cruel streak is a failing. But do you truly see no compassion in my ongoing attempts to warn others of what is likely of little, if any, concern to me? Do you really see no charity at all in my attempts to communicate with those who are genuinely interested in learning?

It's fine if you don't. I don't answer to you and I don't mind the observations. But I am a little surprised.


The original comment was pretty much nonsense. If more Christians were like the Christians among the dread ilk, there would be far fewer agnostics and atheists. It is somewhat rare in the meat-space world to run into convicted Christians who are fervent, intelligent, and non-evangelical.

There is a certain perception among non-believers that Christianity must be obnoxiously promoted. Having a more Aquinian, reasoned discourse is a surprisingly strong reference for the values (if not theology) of Christianity.

Anonymous Stingray March 12, 2013 11:41 AM  

And when Jesus turned the other cheek... it was not an act of submission. It was an act of rebellion.

of course... churchianity washed the truth out of that long ago.


For all that is good and Holy, thank you for saying this. I finally learned the true meaning of this passage a while ago and it finally makes sense.

Blogger JDC March 12, 2013 11:41 AM  

Quote:Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here. Not that I care - I'm an agnostic, and I agree with Vox's political views, but I don't need to experience the cognitive dissonance of trying to reconcile those views with the rather straightforward dictates of Christianity -

So according to your logic, the Christian marker is good works. This is rich coming from an agnostic. How hard is it to understand,

For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends of faith (Phil 3: 8-9).

You are no better than Rob Parker when he declared RGIII not really back cuz he wasn't down with the cause. Do you agree with his sentiments? I think you must, if a Christian=What they do, then RGIII is a cornball brother, cuz what he do.

Faith my friend, not works, lest you should boast.

Anonymous Tallen March 12, 2013 11:43 AM  

My impression is evangelism as it's been done for the last 50 (ish?) years is finished, at least in the US. It seems to be thriving in parts of Africa and eastern Asia but not here in the USA. Taking a page from VD, mocking the hypocrisy of more vocal unbelievers tends to silence them, but what about bringing them into the fold, and those sitting on the sidelines? It needs to be attempted, and traditional evangelism is not the answer.

Anonymous Stingray March 12, 2013 11:48 AM  

but what about bringing them into the fold, and those sitting on the sidelines?

Bring back the strength of the church and many will return. In short, bring back the Men.

Anonymous Roundtine March 12, 2013 11:51 AM  

imagine your child coming home with their very own White Privilege wristband

Cool. White Privilege sounds better than White Power anyway. And you can openly wear it? If you have a white privilege band, do other kids have to give you lunch money? If an Asian kid wears it, are they an honorary white?

Anonymous Tallen March 12, 2013 12:00 PM  

Bring back the strength of the church and many will return. In short, bring back the Men.

My first thought was churchgoers != believers, so this isn't a helpful response. Reflecting a bit more though, when people see an active organization that others are happy and proud to be a part of, if nothing else they want to know why, which opens the door... you may be right. It may be as simple as bringing back some cojones to the church.

Anonymous Different T March 12, 2013 12:02 PM  

"failing to understand the games being played until they rediscover the concept of tribal LOYALTY to one's own kind."

+

"the riders, who were mostly white and liberal"

=

you providing plausible deniability on the basis of race

Anonymous Crispy March 12, 2013 12:17 PM  

An interesting article, correlating peace with boundaries in the non-melting-pot that is Switzerland. http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.1409v1

From the abstract:
Switzerland is recognized as a country of peace, stability and prosperity. This is surprising because of its linguistic and religious diversity that in other parts of the world lead to conflict and violence. Here we analyze how peaceful stability is maintained. Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups. Mountains and lakes are an important part of the boundaries between sharply defined linguistic areas. Political canton and circle (sub-canton) boundaries often separate religious groups. Where such boundaries do not appear to be sufficient, we find that specific aspects of the population distribution either guarantee sufficient separation or sufficient mixing to inhibit intergroup violence according to the quantitative theory of conflict. In exactly one region, a porous mountain range does not adequately separate linguistic groups and violent conflict has led to the recent creation of the canton of Jura. Our analysis supports the hypothesis that violence between groups can be inhibited by physical and political boundaries.

Blogger IM2L844 March 12, 2013 12:25 PM  

...Pirate Ship...?

I can't figure it out, unless it's a euphemism for "gonads"? Can someone explain?


It's informative to listen to the entire rant.

Vox has a pirate ship.

Blogger "1951" March 12, 2013 12:31 PM  

A manifesto for the new White movement

Blogger Doom March 12, 2013 12:38 PM  

I keep seeing where people are talking about black and white mixed couples, and leaving it to the kids to decide which culture to choose? What crap. I knew that hot black chick wasn't for me, I couldn't marry her, because I came to realize the kids would be all hers, all black, all the time. She was with me because she didn't like black men, or blackness. The problem is, there is no way out. I hope she is still conservative, but I always wondered if that wasn't just a cover, a draw... for what she wanted, she being female and black.

Blogger crazyivan498 March 12, 2013 12:50 PM  

Anecdotly when on vacation in gatlinburg TN, I noticed a greater number of mixed race couples there. Alaways white female black male. Goes to show you how important game is to the survival of our culture.
white deltas/gammas need to man up and reclaim our women

Anonymous Mr. Pea March 12, 2013 12:53 PM  

meistergedanken... yes, because you have moved into the inner cities of blackness like Detroit, Chicago, etc., to have your face slapped and yourself stripped naked as a true sign of your Christian piousness.

Anonymous cheddarman March 12, 2013 12:55 PM  

I would like to volunteer to put churchain pastors to the sword, pillage their churches and seminaries, and carry off their nubile, screaming young women, to hell with the fatties. Who is with me?


sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Mr. Pea March 12, 2013 12:55 PM  

white deltas/gammas need to man up and reclaim our women

That should be: white deltas/gammas need to man up and reclaim YOUR women

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2013 12:56 PM  

@azimus

by pirate ship, i think he's referring to his podcast. Put out on his own dime, free for anyone interested to download. Not under Cathedral editorial control, in other words.

Google "corolla + podcast"

JohnS

Anonymous BoysMom March 12, 2013 12:58 PM  

I can only speak to black/white mixed families, or white/black if you prefer reversed alphabetical order. Every family I know has already tacitly chosen their tribe. The African immigrant/native born white American mixture generally is of similar social class and acts 'white'. If you aren't at least upper middle class back in Africa, your family isn't going to think paying for you to get to the US has a good return on investment. I can't think of one individual immigrant I know who doesn't have a parent with a university degree and isn't the child, grandchild, or nephew/niece of a tribal ruler. You don't spend the money to come to the USA if you aren't ambitious, and there's no benefit to the family back home if the child sent is not.
The white parents/black or mixed child family is quite common here, and they of course have chosen the parental tribe.
I know a very few African-American families, who are all mixed, of course, as every single one can identify at least one white ancestor. They have all chosen the white culture as well--as one said to me: 'I couldn't raise my children like that.' I know one man who has, for all practical purposes, been disowned by his very racist southern US African-American family for deciding there is no future in acting like them and living on the dole. (He's also a huge activist for home schooling.)
Nobody, mind you, actually talks about this. It's just obvious. In our group of friends and acquaintances that fall in this category, pretty much all that's retained is the food, music, and occasionally dress, and one habit of socializing that I think everyone should adopt: the children are present. No baby-sitters while Dad and Mom go over to their friends' house for dinner. This group of children are learning to be adults by being with them, of course, I'm a home schooler, so I would think that's a good thing.

Blogger Ciphra Summam March 12, 2013 1:07 PM  

Nate: .... = ,
dammit

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 1:20 PM  

Carolla's show is a pirate ship, independent of commerce. You can't blacklist a pirate ship by threatening to not trade with it. But Carolla can raid commerce when his stories go mainstream and then he can disappear back into his cove.

Carolla is a voice to rally around. He has correctly called out the HuffPo for the racist anti-union hypocrisy and propaganda machine it is. Where's the SFWA calling out their brothers at the HuffPo for using scab labor - celebrities who write blogs for free?

Can I act in movies for free, or TV? What if American Idol-type star struck kids were taken advantage of in Hollywood just like in stock photography and SF publishing? Average salaries of those celebs would plummet to almost nothing. SAG: now THAT'S a union. Maybe the SFWA should be looking at the HuffPo's non-existent contracts, like the National Writer's Union did.

Blogger The Aardvark March 12, 2013 2:04 PM  

America especially has been vaccinated against the gospel of Christ by the killed virus of Churchianity, walking blogs with no real-world substance. Perhaps the prayerful living of the Gospel will attract people. Such appears to be on the upswing again.

Meisterarglebargle makes the standard error of conflating the country/culture with 'the church" (Reagan's "shining city on a hill" is a master example of it). As Christians "invade" the culture, it changes naturally. When the takeover attempt is grossly political (as in the Falwell/Robertson model), it is doomed to failure. You do not effectively make disciples via the ballet box, only through the marketplace and hearth.

Blogger "1951" March 12, 2013 2:08 PM  

Don't be so sure that SAG is a great union. SAG members that I know mostly hate it, because it prices the small- to medium-level actors out of the market. The studios and producers are willing to pay SAG scale for Brad Pitt, but for Joe Schlubface? Not so much. Far better to shoot Brad in Hellwood or on location, then do the rest of the shooting with lower-paid actors in Toronto or Hongcouver. Check the credits of the next Hellwood picture you see, and you'll likely discover lots of second unit work was done in Canada or Hungary or some other place far from SAG (and IATSE).

Location shooting is the same way. It's the "New York City Syndome": you want to film in NYC, you gotta pay, and pay, and pay. The unions in NYC (and Chicago) are brutal and relentless de facto branches of government. Who needs it? Through the magic of cinematography, Montreal can become the Bowery, Brooklyn, or brownstone-lined streets of Manhattan.

And with greenscreen and CGI, you can make New York appear anywhere, and essentially zero cost. Examples: such "New York" shows as Seinfeld and Mad Men shot on location in NYC courtesy of a bank of graphics servers in L.A.

And now that CGI is almost to the point where live actors can be convincingly simulated, can SAG be long for this world?

Anonymous Dan in Tx (in case no one's already said it...) March 12, 2013 2:09 PM  

"Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back."

His gospel ain't got no chili!

Blogger ray March 12, 2013 2:16 PM  

"And guys like Huffington Post — you guys fucking line up behind these people and let me tell you something, you guys all have blood on your hands, because the problem could be fixed."


"We could have healed Babylon, but she would not be healed"


nupe she loves her iniquity, and she loves whuppin' on her scapegoat


PuffHo, like all Medea, is just a front for the feminist/identity hegemon that's ruled the West for decades running

like law-enforcement, the courts, govt bureaucracies full of Indepndent Females, NGOs, colleges, etc, PuffHo has a huge stake in the constant divisiveness of gender-baiting and race-baiting (of white males, exclusively)

God told folks after the last wipeout, spread out yr tribes across the planet and DO NOT gather in one place, mix, and get uppity

so of course thats exactly what folks did (with a little help from their Advisor and nimrod)

in the original (historical) Babylonia, the central tenet of the Empire was the equality of women and men . . . their interchangeability in all aspects of babylonian life

sound familiar?

think Feminism and Equality are new? think that the United Sisterhood of America thought up Women's Liberation? LOL

youve been rubed, we were all rubed

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 2:21 PM  

> "Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back."

The KJV translations says: "Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away."

Sounds like a more reasonable translation, and not at all what he quoted.

Anonymous civilServant March 12, 2013 2:22 PM  

Other than you claiming to BE a christian, there is no evidence of your faith on this blog.

Word for word what I have thought.

But do you truly see no compassion in my ongoing attempts to warn others of what is likely of little, if any, concern to me? Do you really see no charity at all in my attempts to communicate with those who are genuinely interested in learning?

You yourself regularly state that this blog is about your interests and amusements and little else. This appears to be in conformity with how you say you have lived your life - pursuing only that which interests you. Compassion itself is little in evidence. The word "amused" is common.

I still find the black "tribe" to be funny, especially how they display hostility (badly-disguised envy, it seems to me) towards blacks with lighter skin then they have.

"Tribe" is based on perceived benefit. The ultimate "tribe" is the individual who is concerned only with himself.

Anonymous Nihilus March 12, 2013 2:23 PM  

Why is it when people talk about mixed race couples it's always black men and white women when white men and Asian women is far more common? Nearly 50% of Asian women are out married.

Anonymous Nihilus March 12, 2013 2:24 PM  

*Asian American women

OpenID asinusspinasmasticans March 12, 2013 2:25 PM  

Re: Orthodoxy and nationalism

There are almost always two poles operating simultaneously in Orthodoxy - the particular and the universal. It is true that there are Greek Orthodox, and Russian Orthodox, and Arab Orthodox [for the time being, until Hillary Clinton finishes her what her husband started], but there is also Orthodoxy. There is a heresy known as phyletism which was condemned at a council in 1872, which forbids the organization of parishes along tribal lines.

I think it was a Bulgarian community that wanted to organize a parish for Bulgarians in Constantinople. It was forbidden. "Here in Constantinople, the Church speaks Greek," they were told. "The services are in Greek. You live here. If you want to participate in the services, learn Greek." Needless to say, the ethnic nature of the Orthodox church in the Americas is highly irregular and non-canonical. Everybody knows they need to move away from the immigrant social-club parish model, but no one seems to be in any hurry to do so. The Antiochians have probably come the farthest in assimilating, but that's probably because they get the most converts from Protestantism.

In addition to all of this, I have to say that Orthodoxy doesn't work too well outside of a community. I am the only one in my family who is Orthodox (I am a convert). Everybody else is asshole-American-non-denominational which means that they do what they damn well please when they damn well please and I'm always the one who can't eat this at this time of the year or who has his Easter later than everyone else's and is always a buzzkiller because I say my prayers at the same time every day. It would be so much easier if I could get my family to go along willingly, not so mention the whole country...

Really, though, the USA is not a nation in the traditional European sense. It is an algorithm, a blending algorithm. The Civil War confirmed its status as an intentional, algorithmic, Enlightenment state. To be honest, its natural trajectory was set in 1865, and it will not rest until the world is made over into its image. America [the continents] is really three entities - African America, which is the southeastern part of the US, the Caribbean basin, and the northern part of Brazil; Indigenous America, which is the heartlands of the three great American civilizations - Mexico, Guatemala, and Peru; and European America, which is all the rest - Canada, US, southern Brazil and the southern cone. An interesting occurrence is that two years ago, between 200,000 and 500,000 Mayan Indians told the Vatican to kiss off and entered Orthodoxy under the Greek Archdiocese of Mexico and Central America. The Greeks are busy learning Spanish and Mayan to translate the services into those languages.

I don't know why I posted all of this.

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 2:32 PM  

> Word for word what I have thought.

Again then, you haven't been paying attention.

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 3:09 PM  

James May March 12, 2013 8:28 AM
"Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here."

To have such things without a leavening of common sense and pragmatic rationalism amounts to a suicide cult. Christians live in a real world, not some imagined dimension where everyone shares their value system.


Balancing the application of Christian charity with upholding the law and maintaining the culture and integrity of one's tribe is a paradox I discern in the Mormon Church today. The LDS are all about "the rule of law", but I'll see illegal aliens holding callings (serving in official capacities) in the Church, getting assistance with jobs, education, etc, and I'll think "Whoa! What about all that "We believe in...obeying, honoring and sustaining the law" stuff?

The truth is family DOES trump legality. And the Lord's Church (and "family") is worldwide. Stuffing Jews into one's cupboard to keep them safe from the Nazis...or welcoming Guatemalans into one's neighborhood to give them a better life...is an act of compassion and charity (the law be damned). The Mormon Church (like the Catholic, though less socialist) strives to embrace ALL people without regard to race. The LDS Church does A LOT to assimilate non-native Americans into (wholesome) American culture. Racism of ANY form is condemned by the Church.

It's an interesting paradox, especially considering the racial discrimination the LDS practiced against blacks from the 1840s to the 1970s.

Anonymous Skarsgaard March 12, 2013 3:15 PM  

We must to rejuvenate the Viking culture!!!!

Pounds sword to shield!!!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 12, 2013 3:26 PM  

Late to follow up in the conversation, as usual. I doubt anyone will check the comments this far down.

However, I just have to note this. Most often, when I hear people discussing mixed-relationships and mixed children, it is always in the context of whites and blacks.

Hardly much is it discussed in terms of whites and hispanics, whites and asians.

Nor, for that matter, do I see discussions of black-hispanic mixes, black-asian mixes, or even hispanic-asian mixes!

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 3:32 PM  

Orville March 12, 2013 8:45 AM
What, outside of daytime television and niche porn?

Wished it were so here, but in the great unwashed mid-west I can't swing a dead cat without hitting some great white whale who hooked up with a black baby daddy.


I had to laugh. Here in Mexifornia del Norte, mixed-race marriages (especially between whites and hispanics) are not uncommon -- except black & white. Out of thousands of examples, I've only seen two.

The one I know well is a WHALE of an ugly white woman married to an equally obese (and unattractive) black man. They remain tied together by their religion.

The other (black man/white woman, non-religious) remained married and sired a foxy female -- very Halle Berry-like. That lady sired three children of her own (from two different men, of different races). The family's a mess.

America is destined to be brown.

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 3:34 PM  

I was not aware that the original Greek more clearly translates to "If someone slaps you on the cheek, turn to them that of the fellow standing next to you" and "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your neighbor's coat also".

Good point.

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 3:40 PM  

Nate March 12, 2013 9:33 AM
"A slap on the face is an insult, not an attempt on one's life."

And when Jesus turned the other cheek... it was not an act of submission. It was an act of rebellion.


Nate, I love you, man. You're one hell of a dude! Thanks for sharing all those insights!

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 3:45 PM  

Nate March 12, 2013 9:43 AM
No doubt Jesus was wrong when He beat the crap out of the bankers at the temple. He should've welcomed them, and even given them additional temples to do banking in.


They weren't bankers, Nate, they were money-changers and thieves.

Oh wait....

Anonymous joe doakes March 12, 2013 3:53 PM  

Tribe is right. Used to be, you could tell the players by their uniforms: Whites over here, Blacks over there. Simple.

Visit any urban Wal-Mart and answer me this: is a Fat White Chick with half-Black baby White or is she Black? By skin tone, she's White and her kid is Black; except she walks, talks, dresses, lives and expects the same freebies as a Black person. She's joined the Black tribe and votes Democrat for Black tribal issues same as they do.

When society collapses, it won't be a straight-up race war, it'll be a tribal war. Much harder to tell the combatants without uniforms.

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 4:02 PM  

Good Will, compassion is only a paradox when it becomes an act of destruction or self-destruction, perhaps of a larger whole.

Tom Godwin, in his Hall of Fame short story The Cold Equations, deals with this as a hypothetical puzzle: the life of an innocent young girl stowed away on a space craft vs. the lives of people on a planet.

The girl has unwittingly compromised the fuel consumption of the spacecraft. Either the pilot must jettison her or thousands die from the vaccine he can't deliver on time.

That is a stark choice and starkly presented. The argument in America is centered around this civilizationally. It is a hard argument to win for anti-illegals because, just as an example, though millions may die or be enslaved when a weakened America 100 years from now which can no longer stop empire-building in Asia or Europe, even if that were 100% true, it is not the way people think.

They'll think like that with an overcrowded lifeboat but not an overcrowded country. That's because it always seems as if someone else is doing the dying or having groundwater contamination.

Science fiction has given up its role of taking a long and warning view of such matters in favor of the threat of zombies and lack of diversity. SF no longer cares about "Fahrenheit 451" or "1984" because the writers themselves blithely indulge in censorship and racist perceptual traps.

A slippery slope that leads to the downfall of a culture or civilization is a hard sell and understandably so. Nevertheless, I regard liberalism and compassion without tough love amounting to a suicide cult.

There is not a single doubt in my mind that London and the UK with today's current demographic makeup would have fallen to the Nazis.

Nazism is not a fantasy but something that actually happened. What didn't happen is that the UK wasn't an unexceptional N.Africa, easily overrun. What happens when those 2 events meet?

What happens in 100 years if Asian and African empires decide to split S.America between them and hand a fait accompli to an America 75% Third World immigrants? Liberals better damn well hope they're right that the next generation of fast fleet carriers and jet planes will be built by the sons and daughters of Mayan peasants and Somali tribesman.

But given the Flying Men of the Yungas as an example, I have my doubts. Because multiply those men by the entirety of the Third World. If these people were capable of being exceptional, they would already be so. And having to come here and saying they are exceptional at the same time is itself a pardoxical concept. Not for a liberal, because they always have an excuse to explain away success and failure by race and gender. It goes without saying liberals are not baseball umpires.

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 4:04 PM  

Stingray March 12, 2013 11:48 AM
Bring back the strength of the church and many will return. In short, bring back the Men.


My wife made this comment just last week: "Why are there so many gay [effeminate] men in the church now? Where have all the MEN gone?"

Anonymous George of the Hole March 12, 2013 4:13 PM  

dh: There is a certain perception among non-believers that Christianity must be obnoxiously promoted. Having a more Aquinian, reasoned discourse is a surprisingly strong reference for the values (if not theology) of Christianity.

They called Paul an "idle babbler".

Blogger James Dixon March 12, 2013 4:26 PM  

> The girl has unwittingly compromised the fuel consumption of the spacecraft. Either the pilot must jettison her or thousands die from the vaccine he can't deliver on time.

Except, of course, that she did so the moment she stowed away. By the time it was discovered, it would have been too late for jettisoning her to do any good.

Anonymous Loki of Asgard March 12, 2013 4:28 PM  

Good point.

Always.

Anonymous whorefinder March 12, 2013 4:34 PM  

Carrolla isn't a great standard bearer. Cripes, he has Alec Baldwin as a friend and regular guest (a fact which made me stop downloading his podcast). He really just steps out of p.c. line a few times before he scurries back.

Reminds me of Bill Burr. Burr goes after women some, but immediately goes back to toeing the politically correct line. He gave some little canned "improvised" speech on Paul Provenza's trainwreck supporting gay marriage.

Remember, these are professional entertainment industry celebrities. Their industries are run by, supported by, and worked in by gays , along with many Jews who hate goyim culture, and the general rifraff of mentally unbalanced persons who cling to leftist politics as a substitute for religion. No one need remind people of what happened to Anita Bryant---the message is still clear more than thirty years later: p.c. or die in Hollywood.

Blogger Good Will March 12, 2013 4:35 PM  

James May,

I hate to jump on this band wagon (nobody will be reading this far anyway), but the Book of Mormon lays out the whys and wherefores of the racial /religious clashes that are & will be unfolding around our world.

It will be light skins vs. dark skins (mostly) and Christians vs. anti-Christians & pagans (mostly). The world will collapse around the (mostly light-skinned) Christians, warring against them, demanding the "right" to rule over them, to do (wickedness) as they please. There will be an end to all nations. (See D&C 87.)

The Church will be refined with a refiner's fire.

In decades to come, the "extermination order" will be given and only the Messiah will arrive in time to save those that are left, who have become (or remained) faithful to Him .

Many of the answers are there. (If anyone will read them.)

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 5:02 PM  

Which Godwin story did you read? Mine wasn't an academic paper for pedants intended for a scientific journal but a fantasy. Roll with it - don't fight it.

Or you could do a version yourself where he discovers her during pre-flight check up and the story ends after 50 words.

Plus there's no such thing as a Lensmen. Thought I'd throw that in there.

Anonymous GreyS March 12, 2013 5:07 PM  

"It is about tribe, a fractal concept that encompasses race but goes considerably beyond it."

Yep. Of all the places I've been to and the dozens of races, nationalities, types of people I've met, I don't think I've ever encountered any who DO NOT think of their own race, nationality, tribe, ethnic group, etc as somehow superior to every other group.

I know people in various African countries who barely think about race until they are in America and other Western countries. They think exclusively about tribe first and nation second-- a very distant second and dependent on how the state could serve their tribe.

Westerners think that Middle East and arab thought and politics are all about hating America, but it's mostly about tribe vs tribe.



Anonymous WaterBoy March 12, 2013 5:18 PM  

meistergedanken: "It was Christians who came up with the "Brotherhood of Man" dream in direct contrast to tribalism, and the West has been paying for it ever since."

As others have pointed out, Christianity does not necessarily mean what you think it does. Or I guess the tribalism of the Crusades was lost on you, then....

Brotherhood in faith is not an open invitation to either those within or without said faith to take whatever they want; just because you tell your neighbor "Welcome to the neighborhood" doesn't mean you want him moving in with you uninvited, too.

Nate: "hey! HEY! Its not that kind of a blog people. Get a room."

They did.

Anonymous realmatt March 12, 2013 5:21 PM  

Here in Jew York I have noticed an increase in attractive young white girls with Kanye/trendy neon/hipster style black guys. It fills me with murderous rage.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 12, 2013 5:25 PM  

Of course, it would be the liberals who would whimper and whine about social pathologies common among racial minorities. It is not that the liberals are more brave about discussing these things in public and it is not that the conservatives are worried that the Left will automatically hang the racist sign around their neck. No, it is much easier to understand why conservatives do not speak up ......they really do not mind.

Only a few Hispanics finish high school, even fewer of the illegal alien variety. Do I mind? A big percentage of Hispanics are illiterate in Spanish, much less English. Do I mind? Black and brown punks murder each other every day, and especially on weekends, in the new shooting gallery we call the big cities of this country. Do I mind? The endless cycle of poverty, crime, drugs, delinquency, grinds down minorities and renders them helpless and useless. Do I mind? (I could do this all day.) The point is that I do not want them to compete effectively with my own children, I do not want them to learn English, I do not want them to stay in school, or go to work, or get their life in order. I want them to stay just the way they are...and they are doing a pretty good job at it. Why would I waste all my hopes and best wishes on people who are intent on destroying me and my children? I would not and I do not. It does not trouble me that the enemies of my tribe are having a hard time or being decimated. Why would it?

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 5:27 PM  

Grey I've never had the impression that people in the Third World at are at all racialist; that is, see the world through a lens of race.

They tend to be nationalistic inside or outside their countries when push comes to shove.

Where the exception comes in are peoples who've been racially politicized by contact with Western Critical Pedagogy. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution" is ethnic, and that Mayan liar, Rigoberta Menchu, was certainly racially radicalized by Western political correctness.

Left to their own devices, I've never had anyone care whether I was white nearly to the extent the issue of my nationality came up, because that is where their interest lies. They instinctively know that culture is the dealbreaker and not race.

Even people in the Third World aren't as generally stupid as an American liberal in believing race matters.

And I'll tell you something right now: I get along with people in the Third World a hundred times easier and better than the average American steeped in political correctness. In many respects, Americans come off as quite mad compared to a Mayan farmer.

Anonymous Anonagain March 12, 2013 5:45 PM  

WaterBoy March 12, 2013 5:18 PM

They did.


Apparently, his cunning plan for conquering the world includes the infliction of blindness on the unsuspecting wretches...

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 6:01 PM  

Should've named the blog "Daddy Issues"

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2013 6:16 PM  

Greencarman here...

Don Reynolds--"Only a few Hispanics finish high school, even fewer of the illegal alien variety."

Try again, Sparky.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/hispanic-graduation-rate-10-percent/story?id=18314150

Just. Stop. Now.

"A big percentage of Hispanics are illiterate in Spanish, much less English."

http://sites.la.utexas.edu/spanishtx/myth-6/#source4


"The point is that I do not want them to compete effectively with my own children, I do not want them to learn English, I do not want them to stay in school, or go to work, or get their life in order."

So much for being your brother's keep, Don.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man March 12, 2013 6:20 PM  

Subjecting ones blog to the rule of Another on the first post is telling.

Anonymous DonReynolds March 12, 2013 6:35 PM  

"The point is that I do not want them to compete effectively with my own children, I do not want them to learn English, I do not want them to stay in school, or go to work, or get their life in order."

Greencarman...So much for being your brother's keep, Don.

Sonny, the people invading my country are not my brothers and sisters. I AM my brother's keeper when I am protecting them from the invaders. Got it, poncho?


Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 7:09 PM  

@ sigyn

Asher, is that you?

No. Due to a massive influx of work and family obligations I have been unable to participate in commenting to the extent that I find required to enjoy commenting. Either I will comment heavily or not at all.

My style of commenting and his are markedly different and I don't see how anyone could confuse use. His position is subtly different from mine but quite clear. It is blatantly obvious that upon the death of Christ on the Cross any political implication in the Bible is null and void and the Bible is given only to individuals.

Is it kind to deny third-worlders entrance into the US when it would massively increase their well-being and, possibly, even save their lives? No, of course not. But if the Bible is only given to individuals then the commands to love, give and be kind are completely irrelevant to action in the political arena.

My positions have always been very clear: a devout, God-fearing people will produce a government that lines up with commands of kindness and charity, in a general sense, although probably not on every particular issue. Further, it is heresy to try and politically implement commands from God's Word for people who reject that word and that law. The latter is what the "pro-life" movement is trying to do and, thus, is heretical.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 7:10 PM  

Have I mentioned I have a sweet new Springfield Armory V10?

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 7:12 PM  

"The latter is what the "pro-life" movement is trying to do and, thus, is heretical."

So... laws against murder are heretical.

Brilliant... as always... yes?

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 7:18 PM  

@ Nate

So... laws against murder are heretical.

They're not based on the Bible, dumbass. Every single society has had laws prohibiting some actions involving killing.

Some of the stuff you say ... I wouldn't expect this sort of idiocy from a junior high student.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 7:21 PM  

@ Nate

The fact that a society has some rules for behavior that coincide with injunctions from the Bible does not imply that those rules are derived from the Bible.

Jesus, you're an idiot.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 7:34 PM  

Rom 1:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

God gives peoples who do not acknowledge his glory over to a debased mind, yet yon want to use the strong arm of the state to rescue them from that state of debasement. You, in your arrogance and pride, seek to reverse what God has ordained.

You are a heretic.

Anonymous James May March 12, 2013 7:35 PM  

Is it kind to admit third-worlders entrance into the US when it would massively decrease America's well-being and, possibly, even endanger American lives? No, of course not.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 7:38 PM  

@ James May

It would be kind to those third-worlders, yes. Thankfully, the Bible, upon Christ's death, becomes completely apolitical, so we are not commanded to flood our bodies-politic with other peoples who neither acknowledge God nor share our customs.

Blogger Apollo Kioku March 12, 2013 7:47 PM  

Have I mentioned I have a sweet new Springfield Armory V10?

I am jealous... I just bought a Taurus 24/7 G2 in .40 cal but it pales by comparison.

Anonymous TJ March 12, 2013 7:49 PM  

Josh: "The communists killed more people in a single century than all Christian rulers combined in two millennia."
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Speaking of communism, I was just reading the Red Symphony on the internet last night. The "they" described by prisoner Christian Rakovsky is very believable. I have noticed the hidden hand guiding history since the very early 2000's.

Excepts on the internet:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/red_symphony.htm

From amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Symphony-Josif-Maksimovitch-Landowsky/dp/B0068PD3GO
""Red Symphony" is an internet classic that is almost impossible to find in any bookshop, and the reasons are clear. It is the transcript of an NKVD interrogation for the 1938 Moscow show trials. The prisoner was Christian Rakovsky, real name Rachower, a Bulgarian official of the Comintern. Rakovsky was a Rothschild agent and his explanations of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler etc are astonishing, because of their explanatory excellence. Above all he explains how and why the international bankers were behind communism. If the text is a forgery, it is an intellectual masterpiece. Two objections have been raised: the seemingly anachronistic use of the terms 'World Bank' and 'Commonwealth'. The former seems to refer to the BIS, which was a world bank at the time, though not usually referred to as such: the latter term had sometimes been used to refer to the British Empire, until it became the official term after WW2. Rakovsky's analysis of Marxism is devastating and should be required reading in every university. Rakovsky points out how Marx is careful to avoid dealing with the power of banking, i.e. privatized fiat money creation, which forces even the most powerful of states into abject and enormous debt, and the necessity of taxing their citizens to the hilt and borrowing from private creditors. Bankers also magically avoided the Marxist revolutionary bloodbaths of the twentieth century, which terrorized every other sector of the so-called 'bourgeoisie' - from shopkeepers to peasants ploughing their own land. Rakovsky's analysis of the Russian Revolution and the rise of Hitler is astonishing but extremely plausible because of its impeccable and detailed logic. At the end of the interrogation, Rakovsky advised his interrogator that western bankers wanted to force a war between Germany and Russia and that the best way of avoiding this was to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler so as to get him tied up in wars with other countries. This suggestion was surprising, but made sense, and Stalin adopted it. Rakovsky miraculously avoided the firing squad."

Anonymous GreyS March 12, 2013 7:57 PM  

James, not sure how to put this... What I didn't mean is that all these groups are so very focused on race like Americans of a certain type are-- and with all the chip-on-the-shoulder stuff which comes with that.

What I mean is that every single group or race or tribe or nation I've met is extremely pro whatever-they-are. The word 'superior' is not quite it, but it is close to a mix of self(group)-interest/superiority. This includes groups which others' see as a level below themselves.

Be it American blacks, Samoans, Tongans, various tribes in Ethiopia, tribes and peoples across North Africa,-- the entire arab world is nearly completely based on tribalism. All of Africa is based on tribalism. In a place like PI outsiders see what appears to be one people, but is really dozens of tribal groups which set themselves apart from each other and who feel themselves "better" as a group than the others.

I can remember this black journalist from St Louis who went to Africa. Before he left, he was feeling very pro-black and looked at himself as "African" and figured that all Africans and blacks around the world felt the same. When he got there he quickly realized much more discrimination existed WITHIN Africa from tribe to tribe. They thought his ideas of a worldwide African connection were ludicrous. Once-- forget the country, but the same could happen almost anywhere in Africa-- he was talking on a street when some guys on a motorcycle raced by and slammed a board at another man standing on the corner, injuring him badly. When he asked what the man had done, the people told him it was because he was from another tribe.


Anonymous civilServant March 12, 2013 8:22 PM  

Other than you claiming to BE a christian, there is no evidence of your faith on this blog.

Word for word what I have thought.

Again then, you haven't been paying attention.


Any reader here may judge for themselves.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:29 PM  

Should've named the blog "Daddy Issues"

But I'm not pregnant yet.

Apparently, his cunning plan for conquering the world includes the infliction of blindness on the unsuspecting wretches...

Is it a problem with formatting? That can be fixed!

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:30 PM  

It would be kind to those third-worlders, yes. Thankfully, the Bible, upon Christ's death, becomes completely apolitical, so we are not commanded to flood our bodies-politic with other peoples who neither acknowledge God nor share our customs.

What's this "we" you keep mentioning, heathen boy?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein March 12, 2013 8:34 PM  

They called Paul an "idle babbler".

Cuz MPAI. He was by far the best of the GOP candidates! He mopped the floor with....

Oh... wait...

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 8:36 PM  

@ civilservant

Vox, and most of the ilk, ooze with arrogance, pride and conceit. Vox has admitted that his cruelty is a failing and, yet, he doesn't seem bothered by it. Well, the Bible is chock full of warning against haughtiness and knowingly sinning but does he check himself in areas that he knows he fails? No, he wallows in those failings. He often offers magnificently insightful posts and then just ruins those with an even greater depth of pride.

I remember the theologian Walter Martin, who I listened to every day beginning around the age of five or six and how someone prophesied that God would strike him down for his arrogance, despite his righteous walk with God in other areas. Sure enough, God claimed him at sixty.

I agree with Vox on a vast array of issues. However, his pride and arrogance just crush his message.

Anonymous Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:38 PM  

They called Paul an "idle babbler".

Whereas Paula was an Idol babbler.

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2013 8:40 PM  

Definitely. We need more God fearing white folk to stand up for the rights that are being taken away from them.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 8:47 PM  

@ Sigyn

What's this "we" you keep mentioning, heathen boy?

"We", meaning anyone. The Bible points out that all scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching and nowhere does it limit that to individuals who have the "correct" array of ideas about things. Signe once claimed that the Bible is only accessible to individuals whom God has given some special dispensation, which is blatantly unbiblical.

You can call me a "heathen" all you like, but I call myself an "atheist" to distinguish myself from those who call themselves christians, of both the "left" and "right" varieties, who abuse and twist scripture. Man judges by the outward appearance but the Lord judges by the heart and your calling me a heathen is you usurping God's authority.

The Bible tells us to live humbly and walk with God. Well, I live humbly and try to abide by the God's Word and by the teachings with which I was raised that comport with that word.

Say what you like about the rabbits at Whatever but their pridefulness is dwarfed by that on display in this blog.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 8:51 PM  

"
Any reader here may judge for themselves."

They certainly will.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 8:52 PM  

"The Bible tells us to live humbly and walk with God. Well, I live humbly and try to abide by the God's Word and by the teachings with which I was raised that comport with that word."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Anonymous Sigyn (formerly Signe) March 12, 2013 8:53 PM  

Signe once claimed that the Bible is only accessible to individuals whom God has given some special dispensation, which is blatantly unbiblical.

Yeah, that's me. And I stand by what I said, considering I dropped Scripture on you about that and you were all "I reject your reality and substitute my own". I think you also said something about how you had the Bible memorized and didn't need no stinkin' quotes from anyone.

I call myself an "atheist" to distinguish myself from those who call themselves christians, of both the "left" and "right" varieties, who abuse and twist scripture.

That's not what "atheist" means.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 8:56 PM  

"I am jealous... I just bought a Taurus 24/7 G2 in .40 cal but it pales by comparison."

Jealousy is acceptable in this instance.. but don't sell your choice short. Its a fantastic weapon for the price.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:00 PM  

"I call myself an "atheist" to distinguish myself from those who call themselves christians, of both the "left" and "right" varieties, who abuse and twist scripture." - Asher

Oh do continue. Enlighten us... as to this new meaning of the word. Though, out of charity, I do feel compelled to note that given your history of epic communications failures... its possible that it could end up with us all making comments about a notable lack of chili.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:03 PM  

@ Nate

Can you give even one example of arrogance on my part?

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:16 PM  

@ Nate

Oh do continue. Enlighten us... as to this new meaning of the word.

In an earlier post Vox noted that he was skeptical, as am I, of proofs for the existence of God. So, what is "God"? The more interesting question is in what category of thought does the concept of God fall? Well, the concept falls into the same category as other things that lie beyond proof and direct evidence and one such other thing is "free will". Both Dawkins and Dennett explicitly offer up free will and apply it to this word and Sam Harris takes them to task for it, and then turns around and implies it.

Talking about "free will" is categorically no different from talking about "God" and, in this way, the so-called new atheists are no different from the most devout Christian.

An atheist is someone who talks about things of this-world in terms of nothing but causality, and I have never met a so-called atheist who does that. Every single self-proclaimed atheist I have encountered has evinced a notion of free will upon coaxing.

In a world of causality a believer in God is no more free to believe otherwise than a rock is free to not fall upon being dropped.

Though, out of charity, I do feel compelled to note that given your history of epic communications failures

The failure to communicate is entirely on your side as evidenced by the massive disparity in the response to challenges and questions.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:19 PM  

@ Sigyn

Since the concepts of "god" and "free will" are categorically similar any reference to the latter without implying the former renders the notion of atheist self-negating.

It is true that the strict dictionary definition is not self-negating but since the vast notion of the referent are self-negating that makes the dictionary term self-negating, in practice.

My definition of atheist is far superior to the dictionary's, in terms of coherence.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:23 PM  

@ Sigyn

The passage you gave to support your position of possessing special intuition into the Bible simply didn't support your claims. Such claims are based solely in your pride and haughtiness.

When the bible notes that the heart of man is sinful and desperately wicked it does not exempt self-proclaimed christians, nor does it admit that self-proclaimed Christians have any special dispensation to know the heart of others - God reserves that for Himself. Since no one, here, can truly know your heart any such claims to a special dispensation for authority on the Word of God comes from your pride and nowhere else.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:26 PM  

@ Sigyn

I think it is possible that God gives individuals special intuition into his Word for themselves and in fellowship with other believers. But the passage you referenced clearly does not give you special dispensation of authority outside that specific context.

Anonymous civilServant March 12, 2013 9:33 PM  

most of the ilk, ooze with arrogance, pride and conceit.

It seems more angry posturing.

Vox

He has written that most people are no more his intellectual peers than his pet dogs. If true then one may overlook any arrogance pride and conceit. We all have issues. But that is neither here nor there. The point is that he says he is a christian but other than that claim there is no trace of it here on this blog whether cruel arrogant prideful and conceited or otherwise.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 9:46 PM  

He has written that most people are no more his intellectual peers than his pet dogs

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I give you Exhibit A.

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:47 PM  

"The failure to communicate is entirely on your side as evidenced by the massive disparity in the response to challenges and questions."

Why isn't 2+2 PURPLE BADGER??? WHY??? If you don't address the question it is clearly because 2+2 IS IN FACT PURPLE BADGER!!!

Blogger Nate March 12, 2013 9:51 PM  

"Can you give even one example of arrogance on my part?"

Yes.

You are without question the most narcisistic commenter I've ever seen here... and I've been here since this blog wasn't even a blog.. but just an email response column.

You talk about yourself Asher. Always you. You view your own knowledge base as the one by which the relevance of all other knowledge is judged.

Shooting your mouth off about Mises not writing about people or government was the most obvious example recently. You jumped to all manner of conclusions... out of sheer pride... that is... assuming you knew all there was to know... when in fact... you were, and still are, as ignorant as a post on Mises and what he said about any given thing.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 9:52 PM  

Nate, you clearly failed to comprehend that the Hegelian dialectic requires that 2+2=PURPLE BADGER! Your attempt at an answer is entirely outside the proper frame of reference.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 9:53 PM  

@ civilservant

I think I've seen Vox imply that he has an IQ of somewhere around 160. Even were that correct it would mean that somewhere around 3 million white people in the past century have had roughly similar IQs - that's rough, off the top of my head calculations.

Vox once claimed that he represented Team Truth, capital T. I see no evidence in the bible that there is any such team and the only possible truth, with a capital T, that the Bible talks about is God's grace and Christ's sacrifice. It's pretty clear to me that any truths of this-world are truths with a small t, and to claim otherwise is pure arrogance.

One that seems pretty clear to me is that Vox has vast gaping holes in his understanding of the history of Western thought, holes that are filled by other individuals with stratospheric IQs. How does he dismiss them? He doesn't even deem it necessary to explicitly dismiss them, he just acts as if they never even existed.

Anonymous Stilicho March 12, 2013 9:57 PM  

A circle jerk consisting of the aspie and the churchianity channeling statist. This should be entertaining.

Anonymous kh123 March 12, 2013 10:06 PM  

Back, by demand other than popular; The Neverending Story. Starring: Asher.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 10:07 PM  

@ Nate

You talk about yourself Asher. Always you.

I do this in two contexts:

A) To denote that I am giving my perspective.
B) In response to personal attacks such as a delay in responding to a question - due to personal circumstances

Neither is even remotely evidence for arrogance, and the first is expressly evidence for humility. A great many, here, offer pronouncements as if they come from on high without offering any supporting arguments.

Shooting your mouth off about Mises not writing about people or government

This is a blatant misreading of what I said. I pointed out that Mises doesn't explain why governments such as the one we have now exist in the first place. He does somewhat address the "what" of government but not the "why". I have read some Mises directly and have read a great deal of literature, most of it from libertarians, that references his writing, so, I am quite familiar with the body of his work.

You act as if Mises' writing is authority akin to scripture and I have no time for that sort of crap.

Libertarians have spent the better part of the century since the ToMC discussing why a welfare state even exists and I have not seen any definitive conclusion. It's a pretty safe bet that Mises doesn't provide one and I don't even need to read a word of his writing to conclude that. For you to conclude otherwise is to assert that millions of libertarians, many of them with stratospheric IQs, somehow just *missed* that Mises gave the definitive explanation for the existence of the welfare state and socialism.

*That* is arrogance.

Your comment is worthless in arguing that I am arrogant and demonstrates that you don't even know what the term means. Additionally, it demonstrates that you have a shit ability to argue for a position.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 10:15 PM  

@ Nate

I have four names for you: Karl Popper, Imre Lakatos, Thomas Kuhn and David Stove - all philosophers.

I have read almost all of Popper and most of Kuhn and not one word from Lakatos. I did read several essays by Stove and one of them discussed the intellectual lineage of Popper, Lakatos and Kuhn. Despite never having read anything by Lakatos I have a good grasp of what he wrote as described by Stove and as situated between Popper and Kuhn.

I can do this because I am very familiar with the general field within which he wrote and those who preceded and followed him. That is not arrogance on my part.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 10:21 PM  

@ Stilicho

A circle jerk consisting of the aspie and the churchianity channeling statist. This should be entertaining.

The churchians may have their distortions of scripture but I see different distortions from the ilk, of similar magnitude.

Note to Nate: the use of "I see" in that sentence is an expression of humility, not arrogance. In this context, "I see" admits that it is my perspective and that I might be wrong. Most of the ilk, in my experience, would say "there are", indicating that they are making a claim to objective, unquestionable truth.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 10:27 PM  

@ Nate

If I counted correctly, the apostle Paul makes thirty-two references to himself in the 21-verse first chapter to the Galatians.

Was that arrogance and self-obsession on his part, as well?

Anonymous castricv March 12, 2013 10:35 PM  

And the thread is done.....

Anonymous Anonymous March 12, 2013 10:54 PM  

Greencarman here...

"Sonny, the people invading my country are not my brothers and sisters. I AM my brother's keeper when I am protecting them from the invaders. Got it, poncho?"

Don, American citizens of Hispanic origin are NOT invaders. Got it, pal?


And Nate, shut up. If you characterize Asher's views as "having his own knowledge base as the one by which the relevance of all other knowledge is judged", then VD's positions are also narcissistic by your own metric.

Anonymous castricv March 12, 2013 11:04 PM  

Greencar, why not just put your name in the comment as section that you went through to choose anon.? It's silly.

Anonymous Anonagain March 12, 2013 11:11 PM  

Sigyn March 12, 2013 8:29 PM

Is it a problem with formatting? That can be fixed!


Just one person's opinion. The color-scheme is a bit hard on the eyes, especially that of the top-most post. A little more contrast between the background and foreground (text) colors would do the trick. Also, the visited links text color is almost indistinguishable from the background.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 11:16 PM  

@ greencarman

Don, American citizens of Hispanic origin are NOT invaders. Got it, pal?

Any large group of people who enters a body politic and fundamentally alters that body-politic, depending on the extent, is an invader. "invader" is a description and nothing to be ashamed of.

And Nate, shut up. If you characterize Asher's views as "having his own knowledge base as the one by which the relevance of all other knowledge is judged",

My impression is that I have a far broader scope of understanding of the history of western thought than does Vox. Vox makes one or two sentence pronouncements on subjects about which other brilliant thinkers have spent their entire lives considering. Sometimes this blog looks like the entire history of western thought can be summed up in four names: Aristotle, Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, Vox Day. It's almost like Vox and the ilk revel in that notion.

Several days ago vox claimed that Hayek was a disciple of Mises and supported that claim by a reference to wikipedia. I'm sorry but this is pure crap. Hayek goes far, far beyond anything Mises wrote about and Hayek's own claim is simply that Mises relieved him of the democratic socialism of his youth. Anyone who has read Law, Legislation and Liberty, the Counterrevolution of Science or the Fatal Conceit and has an even passing familiarity with Hayek would not make such a claim.

My guess is that Vox would deign to apply the label of "libertarian" to anyone who is not a confirmed advocate of Austrian economics, which would probably limit "true" libertarians to a few tens of thousands of individuals.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 11:17 PM  

oops.

"deign" should read "not deign"

Anonymous Toby Temple March 12, 2013 11:26 PM  

Compassion? Charity? Forgiveness? Love? I never see any of these nor any other of the hallmarks of Christianity here.

Of course you don't. Compassion, charity, forgiveness, love; each word does not mean what you think it means.

Behold the consequences of Christianity - in particular, its ultimate form, Protestantism!

Yes. Christ was preaching to people about how great mass immigration is and how God is pleased by it.

Anonymous Toby Temple March 12, 2013 11:29 PM  

My impression is that I have a far broader scope of understanding of the history of western thought than does Vox.

Good for you.

Our impression of you is that you are an aspie.

Good for us.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 11:30 PM  

@ Toby Temple

Of course you don't. Compassion, charity, forgiveness, love; each word does not mean what you think it means.

I'm pretty sure that those words are pretty clearly understood. Where people differ is on where, when and to whom to apply them. If you have some radical reinterpretation that escapes the rest of us then you're welcome to spell it out.

Notice, Toby, how people like yourself don't actually bother to argue for your positions but just make blanket pronouncements, as if the truth of everything you say were self-evident.

Note to Nate: that statement by Toby is a perfect example of arrogance, and he didn't even use a reference to himself. Actually, if he *had* made a reference to himself that would have made his statement far less arrogant.

Anonymous Asher March 12, 2013 11:34 PM  

@ Toby Temple

Our impression of you is that you are an aspie.

Okay, rabbit. See, the difference between us is that I argue for my positions and you don't even bother. The main use of the label "aspie" on this blog is to tell people to shut up and to imply that one doesn't have to address their positions and arguments.

I have little problem with people telling Tad to shut up because tad rarely, if ever, presents coherent arguments for his positions. I, on the other hand, present very detailed arguments for the positions I take.

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