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Wednesday, April 24, 2013

GOP contemplates electoral suicide

Any Republican supporting the proposed immigration amnesty must be considered a RINO by definition:
The immigration proposal pending in Congress would transform the nation’s political landscape for a generation or more — pumping as many as 11 million new Hispanic voters into the electorate a decade from now in ways that, if current trends hold, would produce an electoral bonanza for Democrats and cripple Republican prospects in many states they now win easily.

Beneath the philosophical debates about amnesty and border security, there are brass-tacks partisan calculations driving the thinking of lawmakers in both parties over comprehensive immigration reform, which in its current form offers a pathway to citizenship — and full voting rights — for a group of undocumented residents that roughly equals the population of Ohio, the nation’s seventh-largest state.
It's telling, is it not, how if the majority responding to a poll favor the legality of homosexuals playing marriage, this is indicative of an urgent moral imperative, but when there is an even stronger shift against LEGAL immigration, it is simply ignored.  Such is the power of the media narrative.

"A just-released Fox News poll finds 55 percent of voters think fewer legal immigrants should be accepted into the U.S.  That’s up from 43 percent in 2010.
Majorities of Republicans (67 percent) and independents (53 percent) as well as a plurality of Democrats (47 percent) want to decrease legal immigration."

But the latest push for amnesty demonstrates the intrinsic bankruptcy of the longtime conservative and Republican position that the immigration problem was rooted in its illegality.  The legality or illegality has never been the issue.  The issue has always been what it has been since the Israelites first immigrated to Canaan; the quantity.  Mass immigration transforms the invaded nation in keeping with the culture of the newcomers and leads to the dissolution of the old structures and their replacement with new and different ones.

Both liberals and conservatives can say goodbye to American ideals, traditions, and even modes of thought.  There is no picking and choosing about what will be saved and what will be thrown out.  This is not a controlled process. For those progressives who supported immigration because they hated their traditional society, this was the equivalent of trying to hold up a liquor store by setting off an atomic bomb.

There are certain things upon which no society can compromise and hope to survive. One of them is the quantity of permitted immigration. Since Americans foolishly abandoned their pre-1965 laws against immigration, they have assured themselves one of two outcomes: partition or mass ethnic cleansing.  Or, as history suggests is more likely the case, some combination of both.

And don't blame the separatists and ruthless nationalists for their inevitable actions. They are the consequence, they are the symptoms. The responsible parties are all of those individuals, on both the political left and right, who bought into the myth of Ellis Island and welcomed tens of millions of alien invaders into the USA.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps this time it will be different and unlike every other reasonable historical analog I can recall. If you live there, you had certainly better hope so. What happened in Boston last week isn't even the smallest taste of what is likely on the way.

UPDATE: It took her long enough, but Ann Coulter has finally figured out that the problem isn't ILLEGAL immigration, but excessive legal IMMIGRATION.

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Anonymous Sigyn April 24, 2013 6:14 PM  

The GOP will forever be the gammas of the political landscape.

So much supplication and pedestalization!

Anonymous Doug White April 24, 2013 6:19 PM  

One would think blocking the immigration bill could win the GOP the 2016 election by allowing them to continue forcing the wedge that already exists between Blacks and Hispanics.

I am convinced the reason the Dems spend so much time convincing Blacks that the GOP is racist is because if they didn't Blacks would probably be breaking 30-40% for the GOP.

Blogger tz April 24, 2013 6:22 PM  

The American way of life will not end, just that the Norte Americano will be even more displaced by the Latina version.

Given the treatment of the Banksters and the rest of the corporate welfare, we are already a banana republic at the top. One wonders if they are trying to model the USA after Argentina starting about the time Peron took over, or perhaps the 19th century or earlier rich/poor dichotomy.

This will only be bad for Canada as when we finally turn into a 3rd world country, the same will be heading across THAT border. If they were smart they would start constructing a wall now and put a few frigates in the great lakes. Boat people 2.0.

Anonymous Will Best April 24, 2013 6:26 PM  

What makes you think Canada is any less SOL than the US?

Anonymous realmatt April 24, 2013 6:34 PM  

South America is having a bit of a gold rush.

Time to watch Deadwood and begin my journey.

Anonymous Salt April 24, 2013 6:35 PM  

And Rand Paul now embraces drones. The Republican party is absolutely fracturing.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein April 24, 2013 6:59 PM  

Paging Dr Kevorkian, the GOP needs you!

Anonymous Lex Rex April 24, 2013 6:59 PM  

If only more of my fellow Texans would realize secession is the only solution left. Attempting to use the political system to get our freedom back is a lost cause.



Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 7:01 PM  

All of the forecasts of a Hispanic takeover of this country should ALWAYS include the caveat...."IF WE DO NOTHING". But that is not what Americans are known to do, when threatened in the least, even by puny adversaries.

Vox is correct to add the third possible outcome .... both.... because it is very likely to be both. The country remains divided by region, AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, and the rampage in one part of the country may not be mirrored in Oregon, or Colorado, or Illinois, or New Hampshire. I expect a bright line to emerge that will become the partition between the states and within those states THE CITIZENS will decide whether they want to be overwhelmed by the invader or force the invader to leave. This does not mean they will be forced to return to their own homeland. Just back across the partition will do fine. Resistance will be met by even greater force. Call it ethnic cleansing if you like. The outcome would be the same if they refuse to leave.

But what Vox does not mention is the depth of the cleaning. It will not be enough to force the invader to leave, if we leave the Quislings who invited and aided the invader in the first place. I hope we deal with the traitors first, then the invaders. In this way, there will be no opposition to forcing the invaders to leave.

Remember.....the traitors hang first, then the invaders.

Anonymous E. PERLINE April 24, 2013 7:02 PM  

When we hire leaders who work for us as federal employees, we expect them to safeguard our gates. If instead they let millions of collaborators in thru the back gates, that makes our leaders treacherous to our interests.

If anyone can see how we can correct this, I'd like to know how.

Anonymous A. Man April 24, 2013 7:10 PM  

"It's telling, is it not, how if the majority responding to a poll favor the legality of homosexuals playing marriage, this is indicative of an urgent moral imperative, but when there is an even stronger shift against LEGAL immigration, it is simply ignored. Such is the power of the media narrative."

You failed to note this nugget from the Fox News story you cited:

"By a 78-21 percent margin, voters favor allowing immigrants in the U.S. illegally to become citizens after they meet requirements such as passing a background check. Support for a pathway to citizenship has increased slightly since February. At that time it was 72-25 percent."

This suggests that allowing those illegal immigrants a pathway to citizen ship is an even larger moral imperative (wrong phrase really, but it's yours) than gay marriage. It also turns out that this is exactly (to some degree) what the proposed immigration bill would do.

Anonymous Disco Spectator April 24, 2013 7:13 PM  

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You may look the other way
We can try to understand
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Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin'
I'm a-stayin' alive, stayin' alive
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Yeah.

Anonymous RINO April 24, 2013 7:19 PM  

Hey, not all RINOs are for amnesty.

Anonymous Jason April 24, 2013 7:19 PM  

Related to Vox's essay, here is a book review from AmCon on what appears to be an interesting collection of essays on how the U.S. might be reformulated after a break-up. As one who is quite a skeptic about the benefits of such endeavors, I have to admit the arguments presented in the review are thoughtful. See http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/what-keeps-the-states-united/

Anonymous Retrenched April 24, 2013 7:20 PM  

If this goes through the GOP is looking at a ceiling of about 150 electoral votes, tops. And that's if they can get lucky and win Texas. Landslide losses as far as the eye can see.

Forget about winning again, the GOP won't even come close to winning again -- at least, not as a small government, low tax, pro-Constitution, anti-quota party.

I understand why Obama and Schumer want this, but what the hell is Rubio's motive? A cabinet post in Hillary's administration?

Anonymous Red April 24, 2013 7:25 PM  

Partition and ethnic cleansing are not the only two options.
When studying the history of Brazil, a very multiethnic society, there were many small scale ethnic cleanings and attempts at partition, but in the end the government stepped in and suppressed all organized conflicts.
And Brazil has been alternating between periods of democracy and dictatorships.
I'd say some form of dictatorship is also a possibility for America.

Anonymous Godfrey April 24, 2013 7:26 PM  

The Republicans - and Democrats - don't seek election, they seek selection.

The political class isn't elected, it is SELECTED by the ruling elites, it is NOT elected by the populace.

Anonymous Godfrey April 24, 2013 7:29 PM  

The ruling elites want to reduce population levels. That is why they are promoting homosexuality among the masses.

If you want to be SELECTED by the elites to be a congressman, you have to support what the elites want.

Anonymous Sensei April 24, 2013 7:39 PM  

If only more of my fellow Texans would realize secession is the only solution left. -Lex Rex

I'd advise my stateside family to move over there if I thought that was likely. But I don't see it, too many people would quickly lose their enthusiasm when abruptly cut off from the entitlements they've come to love so much, and too many non-Texan Texas residents (and most of Austin) would refuse to cooperate to force them.

Only way I see states getting autonomy is if (when, if Vox is right) the government runs out of money to maintain sufficient control in parts of the country. All bets are off, then...

Anonymous Aeoli Pera April 24, 2013 7:41 PM  

I'm beginning to think I'll have a better chance at financial solvency if I become an undocumented alien...some hair grease and a tan, I could pass as a white hispanic. And politicians would pander to my vote.

No hablo ingles. Vive Mexico!

Anonymous Van April 24, 2013 7:41 PM  

The GOP's relying on Rubio as Latino outreach shows how out of touch they are. Recent polls (all from mainstream sources):

Rubio would lose Florida Hispanics to Hillary in a Presidential match-up.
Rubio has a negative rating with Hispanics nationwide.

Also, if the GOP supported a successful amnesty bill, 37% of Latinos would be "more likely to consider" voting GOP in the future. Not exactly a show of support.

And finally, the majority of non-Cuban Hispanics in Florida voted for Rubio's opponent in his Senate election.

Anonymous TLM April 24, 2013 7:49 PM  

I've yet to figure out how all these H-1B hindus end up buying SubWay franchises in my area. Nothing high-tech about putting Armour meatballs and Ragu sauce on bread.

Anonymous Will Best April 24, 2013 7:52 PM  

If this goes through the GOP is looking at a ceiling of about 150 electoral votes, tops

The Dem party consists of

1) Blacks
2) Hispanics
3) Money elites
4) useful idoit whites
5) Union workers
6) government parasites

This coalition is unstable. Blacks and Hispanics are particularly at odds and it is likely that the Dems will have to choose one group or the other within the next 10-15 years.

Presumably the useful idiots will be less useful when they realize how screwed they are in the New Normal. There will also be a fight on who to pay in the next 20 years. Government parasite luxurious pension plans or everybody else (why do you think the government wants everybody disarmed)

Blogger Crude April 24, 2013 7:58 PM  

The question about 'Joining society and giving to the country versus staying separate and taking from the country' is so ridiculously vague.

What about those who join society and take from the country? Hell, what does 'joining society' mean?

Anonymous Sojourner April 24, 2013 8:00 PM  

@Salt...

Stop jumping on the first bit of news you see, Paul has already come out and said that his statement was wrongly interpreted. He is NOT for drones.

Anonymous Sigyn April 24, 2013 8:02 PM  

Hell, what does 'joining society' mean?

It means "I can haz voter ID."

Anonymous 11B April 24, 2013 8:05 PM  

Nations compete with one another on many things, but one of them is not mass immigration. Though almost all nations will take a few high achieving or high net worth individuals, none save the USA seem to want to take the masses of humanity that amount to little and require much assistance to remain afloat.

We keep letting the Gang of 8 spout off about our economy needing immigrants or else. We keep letting them tell us without mass immigration, we will not grow. We keep letting them tell us that without immigration, we will fall behind other nations in technology.

Why is it that China, South Korea, Japan, India, and Brazil don't require immigration to grow? Why do we take in more legal immigrants than the rest of the world combined? If immigration were so key, wouldn't our competitors be competing with us?

Also, the USA has done more to innovate in regards to automobiles, mobile phones, computers and the Internet those those aforementioned nations. Yet those nations don't seem to be adversely affected by not having been on the forefront. They seem to be doing OK exploiting technology they did not invent. Why couldn't we as well?

Anonymous 11B April 24, 2013 8:08 PM  

The Dem party consists of

1) Blacks
2) Hispanics
3) Money elites
4) useful idoit whites
5) Union workers
6) government parasites


What about the Jews?

Anonymous realmatt April 24, 2013 8:13 PM  

Only way I see states getting autonomy is if (when, if Vox is right) the government runs out of money to maintain sufficient control in parts of the country. All bets are off, then

By then, SkyNet will be completely operational.

Anonymous Porky April 24, 2013 8:18 PM  

Yay!

Anonymous Scintan April 24, 2013 8:19 PM  

Any Republican supporting the proposed immigration amnesty must be considered a traitor by definition:

Fixed that for you

Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 8:23 PM  

I was just reading that the proposed immigration bill is expected to bring in a bumper crop of 120 million new Hispanic citizens. (I thought it was a typo too.) But it was no mistake....one hundred, twenty million new democrat voters.

How is this possible, you ask? Because the new immigration bill reinforces the mania for "family unification". ALL near (and distant) relatives of the bastards, we already have in the US illegally, are free to join them by right. I had already suspected this was true because of the 1987 Amnesty. We were all promised it would "only" be one million new democrats and after the "family unification" kicked in, it became five million new democrats. (Probably enough to guarantee Mr. Obamba's election in 2008 and 2012.) Now they are rolling out the red carpet for our new masters.... 120 million new democrats. This is greater than the combined population of all Southern states at this moment.

I know not what others will choose...


Anonymous Red Comet April 24, 2013 8:25 PM  

What about the Jews?

Generally #3, or is the "religion" of so many at the top of the banking and finance industry merely a coincidence?

I use "religion" because many, if not most, Western Jews are actually atheists who cowardly use the "Jew" label to escape the government's punishments for being white.

Anonymous Van April 24, 2013 8:27 PM  

Will Best -

The Democratic coalition may be unstable, but none of the member groups will ever vote for limited, Constitutional government (with the possible exception of blue collar workers, if they buck the union bosses). While the Dems may lose a bloc to the GOP, that bloc will only hasten the pace at which the GOP follows the Dems to the left. Either way, the statists win.

Anonymous zen0 April 24, 2013 8:27 PM  

Will Best April 24, 2013 6:26 PM

What makes you think Canada is any less SOL than the US?


Few southern brown people have tolerance for the climate. Also, the plantation jobs are scarce....you know, nannies, maids, yard apes, etc. There are enough Canadians that will do the jobs for Canadians that Americans don't apparently want to do for other Americans.

Anonymous Sensei April 24, 2013 8:45 PM  

I was just reading that the proposed immigration bill is expected to bring in a bumper crop of 120 million new Hispanic citizens. (I thought it was a typo too.) But it was no mistake....one hundred, twenty million new democrat voters. -DonReynolds

That's either a typo or a joke.. it's slightly greater than the entire estimated population of Mexico in 2012.

Anonymous The One April 24, 2013 8:47 PM  

Americans wouldn't need to immigrants to grow if they stopped aborting their children.

Anonymous A. Man April 24, 2013 8:50 PM  

"Generally #3, or is the "religion" of so many at the top of the banking and finance industry merely a coincidence?

I use "religion" because many, if not most, Western Jews are actually atheists who cowardly use the "Jew" label to escape the government's punishments for being white."

You'd think that American Jews would be hailed an celebrated by the folks at this blog as the perfect citizens. They tend to be well educated. They tend to contribute more to government operations than they take in benefits. They are under represented on the unemployment rolls. They tend to be very hard workers.

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 8:52 PM  

As a founding-stock American who is (with one exception, an English great-grandmother who came over on a (spit!) STEAMSHIP in the 19th century) entirely descended from people who were here before the revolution, I deplore all of this shit.

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 9:16 PM  

A. Man that may well be true about the generality of American Jews, but the movers and shakers, the Important Jews, have shown by their actions that they really don't like the country my people founded and wish to destroy it.

I give you Emmanuel Celler, upon whose grave I would be very happy to piss.

Anonymous A. Man April 24, 2013 9:24 PM  

"A. Man that may well be true about the generality of American Jews, but the movers and shakers, the Important Jews, have shown by their actions that they really don't like the country my people founded and wish to destroy it."

Can't we say this about a good many of the non-jews of the anglo and christian persuasion? Furthermore, your statement is altogether sweeping and without merit. Unless you want to make a list of all the "mover and shaker" jews and list the crimes you have noticed them committing.

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 9:43 PM  

Damn! I got sucked into the vortex! The Maelstrom! I fed the troll! Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa [beats breast].

Anonymous Godfrey April 24, 2013 9:54 PM  

The ruling elite wants open borders. We've had open borders and will continue to have open borders. The political class does what those they represent tell them to do. And political class represents the ruling elite.

Anonymous Anonymous April 24, 2013 9:57 PM  

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Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 10:09 PM  

I was just reading that the proposed immigration bill is expected to bring in a bumper crop of 120 million new Hispanic citizens. (I thought it was a typo too.) But it was no mistake....one hundred, twenty million new democrat voters. -DonReynolds

Sensei....."That's either a typo or a joke.. it's slightly greater than the entire estimated population of Mexico in 2012."

You are so correct. Only ten percent of the Mexican population lives in the USA. But you will note that there are plenty of Hispanics that do not live in Mexico....Central and South America, many of the islands in the Caribbean, etc. Mention Hispanic in New England and they assume you mean Brazilian or Puerto Rican.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 10:26 PM  

The One..."Americans wouldn't need to immigrants to grow if they stopped aborting their children."

You got part of it right....Americans do not need immigrants to grow, whether they abort or not. There is no reason why this country needs (or should) admit as many immigrants as the rest of the world combined. (Yes, they do.) Most certainly, there is no reason to admit unskilled/uneducated/illiterate individuals (or families) in the hope that they will be useful someday.

I also disagree with those (like Mitt Romney and Bill Gates) that want to give instant residency to anyone who graduates from a US university or smart enough to figure they can make more money here than they can in the Third World hellhole they come from. As it happens, there is a very dire need for these foreign citizens, including those who graduate from US universities, in their own country! One of the major reasons for so much riff raff from the Third World is the tendency for the USA to sheep-steal so many of their bright and gifted individuals, who would otherwise make their own country a better place to live. That is much more important (in my opinion) than replacing a few of our own bright citizens in the workplace. We make the Third World worse by allowing people to come here. That needs to stop. They actually NEED very desperately nurses in the Phillipines, dentists in Nigeria, doctors in India, and engineers in South America.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 10:31 PM  

Godfrey..."The ruling elite wants open borders. We've had open borders and will continue to have open borders. The political class does what those they represent tell them to do. And political class represents the ruling elite."

Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of Traitors and Tyrants. He was correct.

Blogger vandelay April 24, 2013 10:33 PM  

I really liked this part:

"To support the measure virtually guarantees millions of new Democratic voters. But for Republicans to oppose immigration reform invites hostility among Hispanic-Americans who already are punishing the GOP and imperiling its electoral prospects."

So if the GOP supports amnesty then there will be millions of new Democratic voters, but if it opposes it then it will "lose" the voters who aren't even voting Republican to begin with. How is this not a no-brainer? And how has Rubio not been tarred and feathered already?

Anonymous Anonymous April 24, 2013 10:42 PM  

You said non-land owners could vote... ok.
You said women could vote... ok.
You said ban alcohol... ok.
You said teenagers could vote... ok.
I see a pattern here... now stay with me...

You WILL say illegals can vote so like it or lump it... ok!

Rule by committee has never been a very bright idea so Vox's predictions will come to pass... so as the world turns let it be so. Because you asked for the Law you got it. Because you asked for a king and you got that too so quit bitching and just ask for more powder.

Moses Malone
1313 Golden Calf Parkway
Sinai Hill, Ohio

Anonymous Crying Indian April 24, 2013 10:47 PM  

As a founding-stock American who is (with one exception, an English great-grandmother who came over on a (spit!) STEAMSHIP in the 19th century) entirely descended from people who were here before the revolution, I deplore all of this shit.

Ahem

/liberal argument won

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 11:23 PM  

Ah, Crying Indian, I guess by your handle that you are of those who were here before my people arrived. Sorry about conquering y'all, and all, but you must admit that we weren't near as mean and nasty as every other conqueror was. See the Old Testament, and what the Romans did, and what Attila did. Hey, we saved you some reservations! (Yeah, we did cheat somewhat on the treaties, and all, but you must admit that some of us tried to do right.)

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 11:32 PM  

P.s. Crying, of all people, I would think you'd be the last to invite more people into this country. I mean, y'all have had to put up with us; do you want even more strangers among you?

Anonymous A Visitor April 24, 2013 11:41 PM  

"Mass immigration transforms the invaded nation in keeping with the culture of the newcomers and leads to the dissolution of the old structures and their replacement with new and different ones.

Both liberals and conservatives can say goodbye to American ideals, traditions, and even modes of thought. There is no picking and choosing about what will be saved and what will be thrown out. This is not a controlled process. For those progressives who supported immigration because they hated their traditional society, this was the equivalent of trying to hold up a liquor store by setting off an atomic bomb."

So very true, Vox! This is what most people don't understand. Illegality is irrelevant at this point. Although I don't consider myself Republican, I hold my breath that they won't fall for this folly because they're closer (in relative terms) than Democrats to my political leanings.

There was a recent VDARE article stating that "Hispanics" (I despise that term because a) Spaniards consider themselves the only Hispanics when you're in Spain and b) I speak the langauge (I know many don't) so I can differentiate what nationality they are based on their accents and speech; they only refer to themselves as Hispanic or Latino when confronting non-Hispanic and Latino groups, usually whites) only cast 10% of the ballots in the 2012 elections.

Having been to several of the Spanish speaking countries south of the border and Spain, and having seen the good, bad, and ugly in those countries, mass immigration from any of them (even including Spain, as it is overwhelmed by non-Spaniards (depending on political leanings, they don't like the Central and South American types (I remember my landlord refused to lend to them and would always lie and say all of his apartments were full))) will be the death knell to our republic.

Having served in a brief capacity in for the State Department, I can attest that our immigration laws are written so that immigrants must not become a public charge (i.e. welfare dependants, etc.) , among other things. However, I doubt that is enforced (like so much of our laws nowadays).

Blogger Justthisguy April 24, 2013 11:49 PM  

P.p.s. Yup, my people were assisted in their conquest by diseases against which your people had no immunity, but thems R the breaks. You can console yourself with addicting us to tobacco, or Tecumseh's Revenge. Most of you guys seem to be able to take it or leave it but we white guys have not much resistance to the habituation, the way you guys are with alcohol.

Anonymous A Visitor April 24, 2013 11:52 PM  

"As a founding-stock American who is (with one exception, an English great-grandmother who came over on a (spit!) STEAMSHIP in the 19th century) entirely descended from people who were here before the revolution, I deplore all of this shit."

I wish I could call myself founding-stock. As it is, most of my family came over right around mid-century 19th century, although some of my dad's side may (and I emphasize may) have fought in the Revolutionary War.

The dad of one of my work colleagues was born in 1868. She certainly does not look her age. Her family is founding stock 100%. Her grandfather owned a plantation in the south during the Civil War.

What makes my blood boil is that so many of my generation ('86 and onwards, I can't speak for others) have not been taught American history properly nor do they care to do so. They assume that amnesty for illegal aliens and/or continued mass immigration to the United States will be fine since all they know is their foreign friends.

As I wrote on a Texan's (who no longer blogs but was of founding stock) blog once, I had to learn so much of this (American history, our true American diversity (pre-1965)) myself since it was never taught in school. Once I had learned all this, I truly felt robbed...and got even angrier. Robbed of my heritage as an American, robbed of what life really was like...robbed about the subtle nuances that used to be common place in our counry. Although I'm 26, I certainly am a lot older at heart. I don't know how to put into words what I feel but I hope I've touched a cord with a few of you. Alright, that's long enough.

Sorry for the double post, Vox.

Anonymous A Visitor April 24, 2013 11:53 PM  

That should read: "nor do they care to learn." After "their foreign friends. I've seen the best and very worst many of these countries have to offer. The latter is not pretty and the latter is what we're getting. Even if it were the former, we need to take care of ourselves, for once."

Anonymous DonReynolds April 24, 2013 11:58 PM  

A Visitor...."Having served in a brief capacity in for the State Department, I can attest that our immigration laws are written so that immigrants must not become a public charge (i.e. welfare dependants, etc.) , among other things. However, I doubt that is enforced (like so much of our laws nowadays)."

Yeah, immigration laws do not even address the Mexicans that send their kids to US schools across the border every morning for a free public education....complete with free lunch and breakfast. But the immigration laws say we do not take sick and diseased and crippled people, or even those too advanced in age to work. The immigration laws are intended to protect the United States, not provide a soft place to land for the flotsam and jetsam of the world. The immigration laws are supposed to allow foreigners to fill gaps in employment, not replace working Americans and force others to accept lower wages. The immigration laws might possibly provide for a good many things, but continued temporary protected status (legal residency) for an earthquake or hurricane that happened more than a decade ago is definitely abusing the law. I am sorry that the rule of law has been destroyed in this country. I truly am. Because without the rule of law, all that remains is tyranny.

Blogger Justthisguy April 25, 2013 12:00 AM  

A visitor, I am in my early seventies. I grew up in the fifties and sixties when things were getting better in every way. I do miss the country I grew up in, in which I could (e.g) walk to and from school when I was 7 years old in perfect safety, even taking the short cut through the local Negro district.

Blogger Justthisguy April 25, 2013 12:03 AM  

Please excuse me. I should have written, "I am in my early sixties." I think I confused that with being in my seventh decade.

Anonymous 11B April 25, 2013 12:05 AM  

The dad of one of my work colleagues was born in 1868. She certainly does not look her age.
...
Although I'm 26, I certainly am a lot older at heart.


If you work colleague is still in the workforce, then I am assuming she is no older than 65. If so, that puts her date of birth around 1947. That would mean her dad would have been around 79 when he fathered her.

Is this correct? I just want to verify that your colleague's dad was born in 1868.

Thanks

Anonymous Crying Indian April 25, 2013 12:14 AM  

P.s. Crying, of all people, I would think you'd be the last to invite more people into this country. I mean, y'all have had to put up with us; do you want even more strangers among you?

I wouldn't know, I don't speak the language of my ancestors, eat hot dogs all day and have a drinking problem. I also can't keep my eyes off this big pile of garbage in front of me.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 25, 2013 12:18 AM  

11B....Maybe he was like Strom Thurmond...his last child was born when Strom was 74 years old. Senator Thurmond did not make it to his 101st birthday.

No reason to assume his colleague is no older than 65. Not many people can afford to retire at that age.

Anonymous TJ April 25, 2013 12:19 AM  

The political class isn't elected, it is SELECTED by the ruling elites, it is NOT elected by the populace.

The ruling elite want a form of socialism like Europe in order for eventual unification. Every selected politician follows the plan.

I think of how Chavez turned the poor on the rich in Venezuela. There wasn't enough of the middle class to protect the rich from the political power of the poor. How did that work out for them?

My liberal equalitarian friends are going to be in for a shocker when our 120M new brown American citizens start demanding new forms of equality.

I'm thinking of giving them some equality ideas, like for example, a brown quota for every rich white liberal neighborhood.


Anonymous A Visitor April 25, 2013 12:19 AM  

11B,

From what she told me it was 1868 or 1874. I remember her distinctly saying that her dad remembered Reconstruction, the Spanish-American War, World War I, the Great Depression, & World War II (not 100% on WW II but the others I am).

I'd never ask a woman her age but I'd guess she's late 60s or early 70s. She looks much younger, though (my guess is due to her prior jobs). She served with the federal gov't for 20 some years, our employer for a while (before being laid off and then returning), and local gov't out east for a while as well. I'm being vague about what we do because I have to (my apologies).

DonReynodlds, agreed 100% re: immigration law. Believe it or not Nicaragua (for example) still has not recovered from Hurricane Mitch (was it Mitch?) several years back. That's what the locals get for giving Ortega and the Sandinistas the golden keys (and at a minimum, keeping them in the National Assembly).

Justthisguy, I remember walking to the bus stop as a kid. Besides my mom walking me my first time, I did the rest by myself (and we lived in a mixed, middle class neighborhood of what was then a prosperous Midwestern city). Just seeing how much the country has changed (for instance, from 2000-present) has been heart wrenching to me.

Granted, there are some things I do enjoy about my epoch (for instance, I am very thankful for the Internet; how else would we've known about Lewinsky had it not been for Drudge, or shared history (how I found some good primers on American history) of our republic, etc.).

I do remember being able to live without a cell phone, computer, etc. I still turn mine off on occasion when out with friends or just killing time. I remember speaking to my grandfather, who is in his 80s, recently and him telling me (in much more detail than he ever has) about his childhood, what life used to be like, etc.

I can't fathom a time when you could be gone for hours at a time without your parents worrying, buying firearms straight cash without a background check, a more moral and conservative society, better political discourse, everyone speaking English in person and on the radio (I remember the first time I heard a song in Spanish on the radio (on an English station, at that!) and despising it, this especially being where I lived at the time, we had few Mexicans (the main group) but it's gotten so bad (I recently left for work) that they have their own immigration interference center, I mean consulate)) just to name a few.

Like I said, I feel like my heritage has been robbed. I truly fear for those in my generation that think like me. We are few and far between.

Blogger Justthisguy April 25, 2013 12:22 AM  

11b, people in my Dad's family have always married late. A Great-Grandfather on my Dad's side went around on the left with Jackson at Chancellorsville. Like Jackson, he got wounded. Unlike Jackson, he survived, or I would not exist. I recall a story my Dad told about his Grandfather. It seems that Dad's Mom (this was back in 1920-something) was worried that Grandpa was wandering off and being senile, so she sent my Dad to look for him.

My Dad knew exactly where to look, where the Veterans hung out in Atlanta in the '20s, the guys with hooks, and long gray beards, and peglegs, and eye patches like my great-grandpa had. My Dad was able to report back to his Mom that Grandpa was perfectly OK, just swapping war stories with fellow vets about how many evil criminal satanically loathesome damnyankees they had killed.

Anonymous A Visitor April 25, 2013 12:24 AM  

"I think of how Chavez turned the poor on the rich in Venezuela. There wasn't enough of the middle class to protect the rich from the political power of the poor. How did that work out for them?"

Bad, a friend of mine is Venezuelan. It's doubtful she and her husband will ever return. One of Chavez's legacies is class warfare.

It reminds me of a Honduran buddy of mine. The exact same thing happened with Zelaya except Hondurans enforce their constitution unlike the U.S. (otherwise dear leader would probably be facing articles of impeachment). He tried to violate their constitution, their Congress warned him, he did it anyways, and they got their Supreme Court to order a warrant for his arrest.

The Congress gave the execution of said warrant to the military which arrested him and had him thrown to Mexico (on one hand, a bad move since it made it look like a military coup (they immediately let the Congress select an interim leader, voted by Congress, sworn in by their supreme court, and six months later had elections) but necessary because Zelaya's supporters had begun to attack people).

My buddy said he used to be able to drive his ATV through the poor districts no problem. He said try to do that now and they'll kill you. Class warfare...gotta love it.

Anonymous A Visitor April 25, 2013 12:27 AM  

Justthisguy,

Awesome that you had family that fought in the Civil War! I'm glad that your great-grandfather survived.

Anonymous DonReynolds April 25, 2013 12:33 AM  

A Visitor...", agreed 100% re: immigration law. Believe it or not Nicaragua (for example) still has not recovered from Hurricane Mitch (was it Mitch?) several years back. That's what the locals get for giving Ortega and the Sandinistas the golden keys (and at a minimum, keeping them in the National Assembly)."

The hurricane in question hit Honduras in 1998! That is 15 years ago, and just recently Her Royal Hinnyness Janet Napoleon extended the "temporary" protected status of every Honduran "refugee" in this country.

(No need to mention MS 13 gangsters and their "cooperation" with Al Qada muslims in Honduras, Guatamala, and El Salvadore.)

I wish you well, A Visitor. Man's greatest burden is his potential.

Blogger Justthisguy April 25, 2013 12:36 AM  

Me, too, A Visitor, or I would not exist, as I pointed out above. I kinda like existing. It gives me the chance to see what's going on, and thereby amuse myself.

The proudest boast I can make about my family is that all four of my great-grandfathers served honorably against the United States of America.

Anonymous 11B April 25, 2013 12:37 AM  

I don't doubt that lady's father was not born in 1868. It is just not an every day occurrence. However, nothing beats this when it comes to having kids late in life. John Tyler was born in 1790 and became the 10th US President in 1841.

His grandsons were still alive as of the summer of 2012!

Anonymous Anonymous April 25, 2013 12:42 AM  

Vox may see trouble... I see bad times today, rivers overflowin.
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Dont be late...
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Just grow up...
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Anonymous DonReynolds April 25, 2013 12:43 AM  

120 million new democrats. We are going to need a lot of graves, either for them or for ourselves.

"Either we stay here alive or we stay here dead."

Bernard Montgomery, British Army General

Blogger Justthisguy April 25, 2013 2:04 AM  

Well, Don, as I mentioned above, I am sixty-something years old. That is definitely too old to play Infantry, even with the best will in the world. I think I'll just wait it out where I live, and see what I can do with my revolver when they come for me.

Note to Feds reading this: I am very careful not to violate any laws of any kind, so if you come for me, you are in the wrong.

Anonymous Roundtine April 25, 2013 2:58 AM  

I'm helping someone in China fill out applications for a tourist visa to the U.S. It is easier to get a concealed carry permit in Massachusetts, probably only slightly harder to get a concealed carry permit in NYC. The main reason is because the U.S. does nothing to pursue visa violations. The State Department treats all tourists as illegal immigrants. Except, since they tried to legally enter, most are rejected, while the real illegals not only enter, but will be granted citizenship and welfare benefits.

Between China and all the other countries with similar visa situations, probably millions of people have been denied tourist visas over the years (it's certainly well into the tens of millions when considering how many people decide to go to Europe or someplace where its easier to get a visa), denied the ability to come to America and spend money and then go home, because instead America would rather fill up with illegal immigrants who go on welfare and suck up resources for their children's education, so that one day their children can read and fill out the welfare forms themselves.

Blogger Doom April 25, 2013 3:25 AM  

Yeah, I saw the add and just... Rubio seems to prove, again, that minorities are first and foremost minorities. They are for their own, regardless of any other political, social, or religious outfits they may choose to wear at any other time. Women are the same with regards to other females. Still, perhaps you might cause one pseudo conservative to reconsider and run with the right herd, for those who can't yet think for themselves.

*moo!*

Anonymous Don Reynolds Pooped His Drawers April 25, 2013 6:45 AM  

"Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of Traitors and Tyrants. He was correct."

All show, and no go. Make your move, and see what happens.

Anonymous Anonymous April 25, 2013 7:51 AM  

My only quibble is that RINO, as it is popularly used, is entirely inaccurate, its connotation seemingly being that the one described is not a genuine "conservative", you know, like real Republicans are supposed to be. In reality, I wish we had more RINOs on the order of a Ron Paul! The grassroots of the GOP may have some genuinely conservative impulses, but the party apparatus itself has never cottoned to the hicks and hayseeds it considers the majority of its duped supporters to be. As long as we give them our votes, money, and our young for cannon fodder in their endless wars, well, that's fine. As for anything else, we can just shut up!

Regards,
David Smith, a former and repentant GOP supporter

Anonymous BillB April 25, 2013 10:25 AM  

Prior to Ellis Island, the individual states managed immigration. State control over immigration is the constitutional process. Federal action in immigration is not constitutional. It appears as it does in EVERYTHING involving the feds, that once the feds get involved tshtf. Federal action just never appears to function correctly.

The fed is NOT authorized to determine who immigrates and who does not. The fed is not authorized to naturalize people. The fed is authorized to set up "an uniform rule of naturalization", a rule that the states are to follow when naturalizing those whom the state decides to admit. The proof that states decide who may immigrate lies in Article I Section 9. No where in the Constitution is any mention of the feds getting involved. This is just another of the millions of areas that the feds usurped.

Anonymous A. Man April 25, 2013 11:23 AM  

"The fed is NOT authorized to determine who immigrates and who does not."

Not until you look at Article 1, Section 8 which defines he federal governments power: "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"


"The proof that states decide who may immigrate lies in Article I Section 9."

You are referring to the clause of the Constitution that ends the "Importation" of slaves in 1808. At best you might argue that the states had the right to regulate immigration under rules set by congress under their Article 1, Section 8 power, but only up until 1808.

Anonymous Gx1080 April 25, 2013 7:39 PM  

I wrote a whole fucking lot about Venezuela and, since Blogger bitches that is too long, you can read it here:

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