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Tuesday, April 02, 2013

Women's rights are anti-freedom

The truth tends to reveal itself over time. Over the last ten years, I've observed that the intrinsically anti-freedom authoritarianism of feminism is increasingly out in the open. At this point, only those who aren't paying attention can still pretend to buy into the idea that feminism and women's rights are even remotely compatible with Western civilization or resemble anything that the Western intellectual tradition would consider legitimate rights.

Consider the words of one Barbara, who isn't shy about speaking for all women when she quite seriously argues "we should be able to make you not offend us":
I think that I can speak for all women when I say that this very important because we cannot offend science fiction fans of other religions. The right to free speech is irrelevant to women’s rights and freedom of religion. People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us. And science fiction cannot be sexist or minority-phobic either. This is what it is. Period.
That is the true heart of feminism.  As I wrote when I pointed out that feminists are sub-civilized: "This is what the feminist's vaunted concept of equality means.  This is what it has always meant: the legal protection of a woman from all and any consequences of her actions.  This includes a woman's ability to break any contract at will, to steal from anyone as she pleases, and murder even the most innocent without having to even hear a whisper of protest to make her uncomfortable."

Barbara helpfully adds an element that I neglected to include, which is that women "should be able to make you not offend" them. Being intellectually incoherent and unjustifiable in the eyes of every rational observer, feminism is necessarily an ideology of force. This is why it has to be resisted every bit as strenuously as other such ideologies, including communism and National Socialism.

And a science fiction that cannot be sexist or minority-phobic is not science fiction at all, but a dogmatically limited sub-genre in which all literary value is necessarily subservient to ideological whimsy.

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Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 9:06 AM  

"We should be able to make you not offend us."

...

How many psycho-active medications do you suppose this woman is on?

Anonymous Oso April 02, 2013 9:07 AM  

It's impossible not to offend people who are hell-bent on being offended.

Anonymous Anonymous April 02, 2013 9:09 AM  

I find Barbara's message offensive. Will she soon be off to the re-education camps?

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 9:12 AM  

"I find Barbara's message offensive. Will she soon be off to the re-education camps?"

Nope.
But those who are offended by her message will be.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 9:13 AM  

Where can I read more of Barbara's manifesto, and perhaps comment on it? The blue text has no clicky.

Blogger tz April 02, 2013 9:14 AM  

I am willing to pay to insure she will never be offended again. How much would it cost to give her a lobotomy?

Anonymous Soga April 02, 2013 9:14 AM  

White-knighting A. Man in 3... 2... 1...

Anonymous AJ April 02, 2013 9:16 AM  

I also read that comment earlier today.
Not sure if serious or just masterful satire of feminazis.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 9:17 AM  

Once we both saw the world must go
And change, as we read, in great Rousseau
But change meant one thing for you, I see
And something quite different for me.
The very same words we both have said,
To give our ideals wings to spread
But my way was true
While for you
The highway led over mountains of dead

-- Marat/Sade

Blogger James Dixon April 02, 2013 9:17 AM  

> Barbara helpfully adds an element that I neglected to include, which is that women "should be able to make you not offend" them.

Of course, the problem is that the very existence of people who disagree with them offends them. One suspects that they have a "final solution" in mind.

Blogger tz April 02, 2013 9:20 AM  

I think that I can speak for all women when I say that this very important.. - So all women are the same and have the same opinion? And bad grammar?

I find most of the pornographic infantile swill in the SciFi/Fantasy section quite offensive as a Catholic. Maybe they can sponsor a bonfire at the convention where everyone takes the books they don't like and burns them.

Anonymous VryeDenker April 02, 2013 9:21 AM  

Where can I read more of Barbara's manifesto, and perhaps comment on it? The blue text has no clicky.

Here

Blogger tz April 02, 2013 9:23 AM  

You can see it was quoted at http://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=16802 which is from the author of the april fool article.

The original has apparently disappeared.

Blogger IM2L844 April 02, 2013 9:25 AM  

People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us.

Intrinsically paradoxical. My sensibilities are offended.

Anonymous Salt April 02, 2013 9:25 AM  

Rainbows and puppy dogs, all the way down.

Anonymous E. PERLINE April 02, 2013 9:26 AM  

Do women want equality or not?

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 9:27 AM  

TY VryeDenker!

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 9:28 AM  

"Do women want equality or not? "

No, they want power. The pursuit of it is disguised as a drive for equality.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 9:31 AM  

Here's a gem from the thread: "And the correct term is femorrhoid."

Blogger IM2L844 April 02, 2013 9:36 AM  

Do women want equality or not?

They want what they were promised in Genesis 3:5--to "be like God"

Anonymous VryeDenker April 02, 2013 9:40 AM  

Everyone at one time or another thinks the world would be so much better if they were in charge. All of them are wrong. One important thing to note is that the character of a movement changes dramatically as it progresses through the stages of revolution. The oppressed victim is a totally different animal from the vengeful dictator.

Blogger FALPhil April 02, 2013 9:43 AM  

I find a distinct parallel between feminists an Kim Jong-un, who also does not like to be offended. The logical conclusion is that eventually feminists will find a way to systematically eliminate their offenders like Kim does.

Anonymous RedJack April 02, 2013 9:43 AM  

Most people don't want freedom, they want security. Women crave security more than men.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 9:45 AM  

"the true heart of feminism: the legal protection of a woman from all and any consequences of her actions. This includes a woman's ability to break any contract at will, to steal from anyone as she pleases, and murder even the most innocent without having to even hear a whisper of protest to make her uncomfortable."

This statement can't be defended in any way, yet you write it again, as though if it is repeated it may taken on greater value. It doesn't.

Despite your definition of feminism clearly having no basis in reality, you still seem to have a rationale for opposing feminism: the preservation of the traditions of western civilization.

Which part do you most want to protect? The tradition of women not having the same legal means of self determination? The extraordinary racism that informed Western Civilization? The wildly rampant antisemitism? The tradition of killing and discriminating against homosexuals into order to....well, who knows why.

I'll say this for you, it's a good call and a sign that your slow-mindedness has not completely taken you over that you are not determined to defend your claims in this post with actual reasoning. It's smart that you don't attempt to give concrete examples of your claims. You at least appear to understand that there are limits to how far your fantasies can be taken. Good for you.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 9:45 AM  

The truth tends to reveal itself over time. Over the last ten years, I've observed that the intrinsically anti-freedom authoritarianism of feminism is increasingly out in the open. At this point, only those who aren't paying attention can still pretend to buy into the idea that feminism and women's rights are even remotely compatible with Western civilization or resemble anything that the Western intellectual tradition would consider legitimate rights.

I can't say that this is entirely self-evident. You are not being sufficiently clear, and most of the ilk are not clear on this either.

It would be very helpful for you to define, precisely, which rights we are talking about. Are we talking about property rights? The vote? Or are you talking about, in the larger sense, cultural "rights" - to have careers, the balance of power within marriages, etc.

When you write on feminism, for example, in my mind, this tends to point towards abortion rights and homosexual equality, but also in a larger sense, the "right" for women to head their own households, to hold or pursue careers instead of raising families, to be seen as "powerful" within their communities without attaching that to a man.

Unfortunately, the feminists and their intellectual friends do not make this easy, by lumping all sorts of things into their tent without proper distinctions or even definitions.

Anonymous Steveo April 02, 2013 9:46 AM  



People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us.

Intrinsically paradoxical. My sensibilities are offended. -IM2L844

We have made note of your allegation of offense. It has been determined that you lack sufficient standing according to our Official Hierarchy (of) Instantiated Offense.
Feminists - 10
Straight White Guy - 0

If our records are incorrect, please contact your local feminist office (FFIWWC Rep)* to have your standing reevaluated. Kind regards, OHIO

*full-figured independent woman w/cat

Anonymous rubberducky April 02, 2013 9:47 AM  

Vox, I wish you would link to these sources you cite. I'd like to read all of Barbara's sordid opinion in its full ignominy.

This is true: whenever a critical mass of females accrue in any endeavor, it's time to chalk it up as a loss and move on to more "fertile" endeavors. The ladies insist on sowing naught but sterility.

Anonymous Sparky April 02, 2013 9:48 AM  

All hamburger is beef, but not all beef is hamburger. Its ok though, its a common error.

Anonymous Retrenched April 02, 2013 9:50 AM  

"The right to free speech is irrelevant to women’s rights and freedom of religion."

She should have went a step further and admitted that freedom of religion is irrelevant to women's rights as well. (See: religious institutions being forced to provide for "medical services" like contraception that go against their beliefs. All in the name of "women's rights".)

"People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us."

The right to not be offended means the right to police the words and behavior of everyone around you. Which means that the people whose behavior and words are policed are anything but free.

It's impossible to have both freedom and freedom from offensive words and behavior.... unless you belong to a supreme class that has both which rules over an inferior class that doesn't have either. It seems that this is what Barbara really wants, since I highly doubt she would ever want her own behavior and words to be judged by the same standards she wants to impose on others.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 9:53 AM  

"The extraordinary racism that informed Western Civilization? The wildly rampant antisemitism?"

One of these days I'll introduce you to my good friend, History. You'll be utterly astounded by the things you'll learn from him. (And yes, he's a "he".

As a pretty perceptive guy once said: Everything You Know Is Wrong.

Blogger tz April 02, 2013 9:56 AM  

Orwell put it well in "Animal Farm", "All are equal but some are more equal than others". Equality only supports liberty when there is a rule of law and all are equal before it. For crimes, women should not be held to a greater or lesser standard than men. They have full will and intellect. In a world of few and obvious laws against serious things - violence, theft, fraud, vandalism - there is little to worry about. When the government micromanages everything is a crime, so both liberty and equality is destroyed since there cannot be any equality in any details because no two people are the same. We can only draw remote lines which are difficult to cross and require an intent and purpose of evil.

While reading over there I had to point out that Barbara has her wish in the workplace, the EEOC will come down on an employer for having a "hostile work environment".

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 9:59 AM  

Actually, the present era, today, as we speak, is the only time in the entire history of Western Civilization that we are observing "extraordinary racism" -- and it is entirely racism against whites, and it is genocidal in nature. We are also observing "wildly rampant" Semitism. Evil, blood-soaked, blood-thirsty, grasping, all-destroying Semitism. Last time we saw that in full flower was with the Bolsheviks -- and we know what happened then. Look for it to happen again.

Oh, and also, in the words of Pierre Tielhard de Chardin: Go fuck yourself, blood-soaked leftist murderer.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan April 02, 2013 9:59 AM  

Hi Vox, I've been reading your blog for some time now and it's become a regular. I've recommended you to quite a few friends.

One thing that perplexes me though is your opposition to National Socialism. Maybe it doesn't interest you but, I would really appreciate if you could spell out what exactly it is that you oppose in National Socialism.

Anyway, all the best. Great blog.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 9:59 AM  

"One of these days I'll introduce you to my good friend, History. You'll be utterly astounded by the things you'll learn from him. (And yes, he's a "he"."

While you are at it, introduce history to the author of this post. He still believes that Nazi's were no worse than a woman who thinks she ought to have the right to use a birth control pill or hold a bank loan in her own name.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:02 AM  

What fucking monsters leftists are. What evil, blood-soaked, all-destroying monsters.

That includes you, A.-Man (can we use the Latin instead and call you A. Homo?).

Fucking animal.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 10:02 AM  

As a straight white heterosexual Christian male, my very existence offends everyone. Or so I've been told.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:04 AM  

"Actually, the present era, today, as we speak, is the only time in the entire history of Western Civilization that we are observing "extraordinary racism" -- and it is entirely racism against whites, and it is genocidal in nature."

I can see that you come from the same school of rhetoric as this Vox Day fella: inanity mixed with a complete lack of reason. Can you point to where the genocide against whites is occurring? Of course you can't.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 10:06 AM  

One thing that perplexes me though is your opposition to National Socialism. Maybe it doesn't interest you but, I would really appreciate if you could spell out what exactly it is that you oppose in National Socialism.

Vox is a libertarian. Socialism is the antithesis of libertarianism.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:06 AM  

"Dear, A. Man:

Do you believe in infanticide. Yes/no?"

What a stupid question. Of course I believe it happens.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:08 AM  

"What fucking monsters leftists are. What evil, blood-soaked, all-destroying monsters."

After you get around to defining "leftist", you might offer examples of what you mean....unless you, like this Vox Day Fella, only like to make assertions that are indefensible.

Anonymous The other skeptic April 02, 2013 10:08 AM  

People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us.

All makers and sellers of products to women should be very afraid of this point of view.

Blogger S. Thermite April 02, 2013 10:10 AM  

They seem to prefer choice over equality. Equality would sometimes involve duty, and therefore lack of choice. Gaining the choice to serve in military combat roles was cause for celebration. But someone truly concerned about equality would at the very least push for young women to also have to sign up for Selective Service like young men do. But what good is that kind of equality if there is no new status, security, or options to be gained by it?

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 10:11 AM  

Which part do you most want to protect?

The civilized part, where we don't live in grass huts, don't have mobs of barbarians killing, raping, and looting, and where economic surplus leads to technological progress.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:13 AM  

"Can you point to where the genocide against whites is occurring? Of course you can't."

Can you point to where the genocide of whites ISN'T occurring? Of course you can't. Well I guess in Belarus, perhaps, and in parts of the Balkans and the Baltic states. But it isn't like you monsters haven't targeted them next.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:13 AM  

Actually, the present era, today, as we speak, is the only time in the entire history of Western Civilization that we are observing "extraordinary racism" -- and it is entirely racism against whites, and it is genocidal in nature.

Come now. This isn't even a remotely defensible position, and you should know it.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:13 AM  

"The civilized part, where we don't live in grass huts, don't have mobs of barbarians killing, raping, and looting, and where economic surplus leads to technological progress."

Well, since the vast amount of killing, raping and looting has been done by men, and not women or even women of the feminist persuasion, I think you have this fella's intentions incorrect.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:15 AM  

"After you get around to defining "leftist","

Ah, the old recursion-into-ever-murkier-definitions routine.

Are you quite sure your moniker shouldn't be J. Man?

Anonymous The other skeptic April 02, 2013 10:15 AM  

The extraordinary racism that informed Western Civilization?

Are you familiar with the attitudes of, say, Chinese people, towards blacks, other Asians (eg, Malays, etc)? Are you familiar with the attitudes of Arabs towards Jews?

The wildly rampant antisemitism?

These things do not arise de novo. Have you given some thought to how they might have come about?

You have a lot of learning to do. Come back in 50 years.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:15 AM  

"Can you point to where the genocide of whites ISN'T occurring? Of course you can't. Well I guess in Belarus, perhaps, and in parts of the Balkans and the Baltic states. But it isn't like you monsters haven't targeted them next."

Yes. Genocide against Whites is not occurring in the United States anywhere. Whites are not being killed because they are white, their numbers continue to increase and they remain quite largely in control of all levers of power.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:16 AM  

Can you point to where the genocide of whites ISN'T occurring? Of course you can't. Well I guess in Belarus, perhaps, and in parts of the Balkans and the Baltic states. But it isn't like you monsters haven't targeted them next.

You are being absurd. It's not genocide, it's suicide.

How can you blame the feminists for doing it, or anyone else, when it's white people doing it to themselves?

Anonymous Starbuck April 02, 2013 10:18 AM  

"should be able to make you not offend"

Really? I can now understand why men are using them like they are just meat to get their rocks off on. And if they get pregnant, he disappears... Hey woman, was Bob really his name? Did he really work at that engineering buisness he said he did? Did you ever see him work there?

Hey womyn, you are not that freaking special.Your rights do NOT trump everyone elses. And no, my freedom of speech does not end where your offense begins.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:18 AM  

"The wildly rampant antisemitism?

These things do not arise de novo. Have you given some thought to how they might have come about?"

Trying to justify the holocaust are we? Knock yourself out.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:18 AM  

"Come now. This isn't even a remotely defensible position, and you should know it."

Come now. Your denial of it is in reality the position that isn't even remotely defensible, and is in fact utterly dishonest (is that what "dh" stands for?) and disingenuous, and YOU should know it.

And indeed you DO know it; you're merely stalling, playing for time, until the trend is irreversible. Then the mask comes off the leftist, as it always does, and the real blood-letting begins.


Anonymous JartStar April 02, 2013 10:19 AM  

What's interesting about A. Man's post is that it demonstrates he lives in his own manufactured world of what Vox believes, and this world allows him to show up and White Knight for a woman he doesn't know. It's a trigger for him to show up and post almost randomly about women's rights, Vox being [insert insult], and pontificate incoherently while trying to turn the subject of his posts to his own moral an intellectual superiority over everyone on this blog.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:19 AM  

other skeptic:

Are you familiar with the attitudes of, say, Chinese people, towards blacks, other Asians (eg, Malays, etc)? Are you familiar with the attitudes of Arabs towards Jews?
So? Saying that Y is MORE of something than X has no bearing on whether Civilization X is or is not the thing itself.

These things do not arise de novo. Have you given some thought to how they might have come about?

Claiming that something is justified, or partially justified, has no bearing on whether the thing is happening.


It's like the ilk completely lose their ability to form a rational counter argument when an obvious leftist concern troll rolls into town.

Anonymous . April 02, 2013 10:20 AM  

People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us.

I am HIGHLY offended by your desire to make me not offend you!

So there!

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:22 AM  

"Whites are not being killed because they are white"

Genocide does not have to entail killing; even the UN in its definition admits as much.

And yes, whites ARE being killed because they are white. Every day.

Every. Day.

They do not have to be killed for being white in mass numbers in order to promote genocide: all that needs to happen is that their reproductive cycles be disrupted to a significant extent, and Nature will do the rest.

You know that, of course. Which is exactly why you are lying about it.

And that last couplet is as good a definition as any for "leftist," since you were seeking one.

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 10:23 AM  

It would be very helpful for you to define, precisely, which rights we are talking about. Are we talking about property rights? The vote? Or are you talking about, in the larger sense, cultural "rights" - to have careers, the balance of power within marriages, etc.

Yes. No. No.

Maybe it doesn't interest you but, I would really appreciate if you could spell out what exactly it is that you oppose in National Socialism.

The Socialism.

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:23 AM  

"and pontificate incoherently while trying to turn the subject of his posts to his own moral an intellectual superiority over everyone on this blog."

One could smear dog feces on their keyboard and demonstrate a moral and intellectual superiority over the author of this blog.

And furthermore, it says something significant about you that seeing a call to defend absurd claims is something we ought not do. The claims made about feminism in this post are purely indefensible. Noting this is all I've done.

Anonymous Anonymous April 02, 2013 10:25 AM  

Leftist
1. noun
a member of the political Left or a person sympathetic to its views.

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 10:26 AM  

One could smear dog feces on their keyboard and demonstrate a moral and intellectual superiority over the author of this blog.

Thus spake the moron whose answer to most of the questions directed his way was "I don't know." But we can certainly kick you around some more.

What is the specific moral system by which you claim moral superiority over me?

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:26 AM  

Come now. Your denial of it is in reality the position that isn't even remotely defensible, and is in fact utterly dishonest (is that what "dh" stands for?) and disingenuous, and YOU should know it.

Right, whites of the current era, perhaps the last 50 years, are the only persecuted racial group in the last 2,000 years of Western history. It's just mind bogglingly stupid.

Suetonius was cracking Jewish jokes while the Anglo-Saxons were still painting themselves blue:

"Ne Iudaeus quidem mi Tiberi tam diligenter sabbatis ieiunium servat quam ego hodie servavi, qui in balineo demum post horam primam noctis duas buccas manducavi prius quam ungui inciperem"

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:26 AM  

"So? Saying that Y is MORE of something than X has no bearing on whether Civilization X is or is not the thing itself."

The claim was made that the West was characterized by "_extraordinary_ racism" (my emphasis. The counter-argument was made in order to claim not that Western racism does not exist, but rather that it is not extraordinary; it is, in the normal human context, rather quite ordinary, and in fact far less virulent than the racisms of many other peoples. Racism is the factory-preset for all human beings. There is nothing "extraordinarily" racist about historical Western attitudes, and again, as I've said, they are in reality far less extreme than many other racisms.

"It's like the ilk completely lose their ability to form a rational counter argument"

Au contraire, it's like the left have no ability to perceive a rational argument.

But, blindness and lies it what you pieces of shit do... until, of course, it's time for the mass murdering to start.

[spits]





Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 10:27 AM  

Well, since the vast amount of killing, raping and looting has been done by men, and not women or even women of the feminist persuasion, I think you have this fella's intentions incorrect.

Is the level of killing, raping, and looting higher in places that are historically part of western civilization or in places that are not?

Anonymous A. Man April 02, 2013 10:27 AM  

"They do not have to be killed for being white in mass numbers in order to promote genocide: all that needs to happen is that their reproductive cycles be disrupted to a significant extent, and Nature will do the rest."

Gone round the bend, have we?

Anonymous JartStar April 02, 2013 10:27 AM  

One could smear dog feces on their keyboard and demonstrate a moral and intellectual superiority over the author of this blog.

Actually one could not, and by resorting to such vulgar rhetoric you showed that your quiver is out of ammo and you are done saying anything of significance.

Blogger VD April 02, 2013 10:28 AM  

This statement can't be defended in any way, yet you write it again, as though if it is repeated it may taken on greater value. It doesn't.

And yet, it was successfully defended against you in the previous post. You were, by your own admission, unable to challenge it. So, quite clearly, you are wrong. It is not only defensible, it has been successfully defended.

You're a lightweight, A. Man, even in the even tyou're not Tad the syphilis-addled homosexual.

Blogger FALPhil April 02, 2013 10:29 AM  

A. Man, look here and be educated:
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/rummel/note5.htm

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 10:30 AM  

It's like the ilk completely lose their ability to form a rational counter argument when an obvious leftist concern troll rolls into town.

Hey, not all of us.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:31 AM  

Yes. No. No.

I can't say this really helps... what is the linkage between property rights and feminism trouncing the culture?

My experience and from what I've seen suggests that nominal legal equality is not a big factor in problems caused by feminism. There have always been female heads of households, and they've always been problematic. The single-women is powerful concept has bubbled to far into the middle class.

The far larger problem is the deference that men give to women in private relationships. There is a big difference between respecting one's mother, and letting her run your life well into your forties.

Anonymous Mike April 02, 2013 10:36 AM  

A. Man, said:

"...Well, since the vast amount of killing, raping and looting has been done by men, and not women or even women of the feminist persuasion, I think you have this fella's intentions incorrect...."

Ok, grand total of all known wartime casualties going as far back as the US Civil War in 1860 (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html) is about 160 million. Let us for the sake of argument assume that it was all done by men (this is horrifyingly wrong, but let's go with it for now).

In contrast, the number of deaths caused by abortion globally during the same time frame (all caused by women...get over it...unless in your universe the men did that too, in which case your concept of humanoid biology is at best considered unrealistic) is far larger. The World Health Organization reports that approximately 42 million women annually have abortions. If we assume that all have one fetus removed, that means that it would take the abortion industry four years to replicate and surpass the number of wartime casualties that the planet has had in the past 153 years. And yes, I understand that some abortions are forced, but not enough to even notice a change in the numbers.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 10:36 AM  

"Yes. No. No."

I think VD was in a hurry and got the answers in the wrong order.

In the past his position has been something more like, "No, Yes, No".

Single women can own property... they can't vote... no are there limitations placed on them via government in the broader sense.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 10:36 AM  

no = nor dammit

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:38 AM  

Racism is the factory-preset for all human beings. There is nothing "extraordinarily" racist about historical Western attitudes, and again, as I've said, they are in reality far less extreme than many other racisms.

Now you are just flailing. The "extraordinary" racism that his shown against current whites, in which they control vast proportions of the wealth and a high concentration of political power, while dominating the cultural and social power positions, is sort of silly when compared against the historical baseline of Western civilization.

The sort of so called "reverse" (which it isn't, it's just racism) racism found in hiring, in contracting, in society, in the double standard of talking about race is very low level - it certainly isn't "extraordinary".

"Extraordinary racism" is, for example, hysterical leftists interning everyone who looks like a Jap for no logical reason.

"Extraordinary racism" is, for example, violating the 1st amendment by banning certain cross-racial relationships.

And let's not even get into Roman repression techniques. They hold the world-record for oppression of conquered peoples.

Simple oppression, that is largely asked for by whites themselves, is hardly extraordinary. History is littered with the carcasses of people without the mental acuity to preserve themselves.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:38 AM  

"Suetonius was cracking Jewish jokes while the Anglo-Saxons were still painting themselves blue"

1. Yes, and the Jews were murderously genociding non-Jews when Suetonius's folk were still living in mud huts.

2. The "Anglo-Saxons" didn't paint themselves blue; the Picts and the Celts did. The Anglos-Saxons didn't invade Britain until centuries after Suetonius.

3. And if Suetonius did make jokes about the Jews, what of it? Do you know what the Talmud says about non-jews? And for them, it wasn't a joke.

4. Nice pulled-up Latin Wiki quote. Ought I to be impressed? Well let me just say then, pergratum est mihi quod tam diligenter libros nostrorum paternorum lectitas.

"Right, whites of the current era, perhaps the last 50 years, are the only persecuted racial group in the last 2,000 years of Western history."

Irrelevant line of thought; also, implies that certain evils justify other evils. FAIL.
Doesn't take into account various biological realities which pertain to the specific situation under discussion. FAIL.

"It's just mind bogglingly stupid."

Typical Jewish tactic of dismissal and belittlement. Double-secret FAIL.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:40 AM  

"Gone round the bend, have we?"

Retreating in a total rout with a Parthian sneer, are we?

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 10:43 AM  

DH

Mate... talking to Scoobius about jews is about like talking to me about yankees.

dig?

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 10:44 AM  


I think VD was in a hurry and got the answers in the wrong order.

In the past his position has been something more like, "No, Yes, No".

Single women can own property... they can't vote... no are there limitations placed on them via government in the broader sense.


That may make more sense. I am in a hard place to judge, being a leftist but a very rare anti-feminist one. Cultural shifts far outweighs whatever nominal legal protections they have engineered.

Blogger Old Harry April 02, 2013 10:46 AM  

It is impossible to not offend those who are ever alert for being offended. Case in point: My daughter has recently gotten her first job as a clerk at a feed and seed store. A well dressed gentleman of color came into the store and bought several hundred dollars worth of stuff for his (sales tax exempt) business. My daughter laid his receipt and gold card on the counter and proceeded to bag his purchase. As she did so, the customer accused her of being racist because she failed to put the card and receipt in his hand. When I talked with her about it, she was very upset and I told her it would probably be a good idea in the future to put the card, receipt, change, etc in the hand of the customer. But, I assured her, failure to do so did not mean she was a racist in spite of what the asshole with a chip on his shoulder may say.
I think we are reaching a point where reasonable, decent people are just about fed up with vibrancy and may be willing to say "no more". My once color blind daughter will be on the lookout for jerks like this in the future.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:48 AM  

"Well, since the vast amount of killing, raping and looting has been done by men,"

Two questions for A. Man:

1) Are you an atheist?

[If your answer is No, then you're not obliged to answer the next question. But if you are an atheist, then please answer.]

2) If there is no God, then all morality is subjective and exists merely in nature. In which case, we could cite the historical fact that for most of conscious human society (and for ALL of pre-conscious human society; from an atheist, all-Nature view, the distinction doesn't matter), it was considered perfectly right and "moral" to go killing, raping, and looting the rival enemy tribe. If Anthill 348-96B attacks and destroys Anthill 287-35H, do you hold the ants morally responsible? Is Anthill 348-96B "evil" or "sinful" or "bad"? It's what ants do, right? It's their Nature. And if there is no God, then it is in the Nature of men to the same, it's simply that those on the receiving end find it "bad" because it's not pleasant to be killed and raped and looted; but it isn't "wrong". Right? Are the ants "evil"? Are the men "evil"?

Anonymous DrTorch April 02, 2013 10:49 AM  

Nice piece on racism

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/03/inequality-for-all

Racism is a resource and like every other resource, it's in danger of running out. We hit Peak Racism decades ago. Peak Sexism peaked even earlier. Even Peak Homophobia peaked a while back. The cool kids are trying to push Islamophobia while peddling worn copies of Edward Said's Orientalism that the campus book store refuses to buy back at more than 10% of the sale price, -more-

Blogger Giraffe April 02, 2013 10:50 AM  

A. Man April 02, 2013 10:46 AM

VD asked you a question. Put up or shut up.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 10:51 AM  

"talking to Scoobius about jews is about like talking to me about yankees."

@Nate:

If you mean that because you mean you simply have, as a Southerner, an in-born dislike of yankees, then you are wrong. But if you mean that because you are, with seriousness, trying to analyze the extent to which yankees have harmed Southern society, and have done so consciously AS yankees, then you are closer to being correct.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 10:54 AM  

A Man you are wrong. A feminist wants equality before the law. An ultra feminist uses such concerns to mask their disdain for men as well as mental health issues. Ultra feminists clearly want a legal, moral and intellectual double standard for themselves and men in place.

This is the story of a sexual groping incident that happened to Norin Shirley.

http://blog.nerdchic.net/archives/418/

Although the Ada Initiative which links to the story claims it happened "at ApacheCon," it in fact happened at a pub.

Here are the parts of Miss Shirley's story that leaped out at me:

"The party moved up to my room. We had beer... I lay across the bed, sat on laps... ...we headed to the Irish pub next door... ...a few more beers. I had a few drinks. I was wearing a skirt of such a length that I had cycling shorts on under it to make me feel more comfortable getting up on stage and dancing. I had been flirting with a couple of other boys at the party."

Now, keeping in mind those quotes, think on this. The Ada Initiative has a link on this page which says "triggers people to view women as sexual objects."

That link brings you to a page where there is this definition of what constitutes such a trigger:

"A sexualized environment is one where sexual activity or sexy clothing or behaviour are prominent. This often occurs in geek environments and, by prominently displaying women as sexy, available for sex, or "other" than the predominantly male geek attendees, may make women uncomfortable."

If that is not the very devil's definition of a blatant double standard and hypocrisy, or even breezy insanity, then such things simply do not exist in this world. Apparently it doesn't count if women are "prominently displaying women as sexy." And throw alcohol in any mix like that and yes, it is a "trigger," which is FemSpeak for "you're asking for it." Except when you're not. In other words, the Ada Initiative both promotes and denies the existence of triggers. Predictably, our darling feminists define each by gender, not principle. This shows the "you-asked-for-it" and "slut walks" for the semantic and intellectual gibberish and straight up bigotry they are.

Anonymous Iain Johnston April 02, 2013 10:55 AM  

A. Man: so far from being the only or even the most racist people in history, whites have been the only ones to welcome large numbers of foreigners to their countries and even to give the newcomers money and other benefits! Such hospitality and generosity is unprecedented, and how it is being repaid? With contempt and the promise that, in the glorious future, whites will be a minority in every country where they formerly held sway.

Anonymous cheddarman April 02, 2013 10:55 AM  

1.29 BILLION abortions world wide since 1980.

http://www.numberofabortions.com/

Girl power, yeah!!!

sincerely

cheddarman

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 11:02 AM  

Scoobius,

Did a rabbi accidentally chop off your dick or something?

Anonymous The other skeptic April 02, 2013 11:05 AM  

Well, since the vast amount of killing, raping and looting has been done by men, and not women or even women of the feminist persuasion, I think you have this fella's intentions incorrect.

Considering this:

A white male has a lower probability of being a murderer than a black female

We can know that predisposition for violence is genetic.

Also, given that women give birth to males, and that they pass on genes that they carry that predispose males for violence, certain conclusions could be drawn.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner April 02, 2013 11:06 AM  

Modern Western Feminized Wimmin should be avoided at all cost.

I have found unresponsiveness, blank stare, or just avoidance to be the best way to not offend, or is that offensive?

Additionally, the MWFW value is so risk laden, that the best of all possible worlds is to avoid them all together or f*ck em and chuck em, beotches ain't sh*t, or is that offensive?

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 11:07 AM  

"If you mean that because you mean you simply have, as a Southerner, an in-born dislike of yankees, then you are wrong. But if you mean that because you are, with seriousness, trying to analyze the extent to which yankees have harmed Southern society, and have done so consciously AS yankees, then you are closer to being correct."

The latter mate. I loathe the yankees for what the yankees have done and continue to do.

They are locusts.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 11:09 AM  

1. Yes, and the Jews were murderously genociding non-Jews when Suetonius's folk were still living in mud huts.

So what? You seem to think that it's not racism if it's justified. This is like your moby dick. Like, somehow, if you just prove the J-e-w-s were doing bad things it means that it's not racism. It doesn't. You are talking like a liberal. Racism is only a recently bad word.

4. Nice pulled-up Latin Wiki quote. Ought I to be impressed? Well let me just say then, pergratum est mihi quod tam diligenter libros nostrorum paternorum lectitas.

Funny and appropriate. I like your style. I remembered well from the many Jesuits who tried vainly to teach me latin over the years. I remember one who had a particular fondness of pointing out every offhanded slur, jib and burn that he ever stuck into the text. It is a much more elegant language for insults.

Irrelevant line of thought; also, implies that certain evils justify other evils. FAIL.
Doesn't take into account various biological realities which pertain to the specific situation under discussion. FAIL.


I think you are mixing up whats going on here. You are trying to claim exclusivity of extraordinary racism against whites.

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 11:11 AM  

Oh, look, it's the guy who still hasn't answered my questions, charging in to wave his arms and link morality with poop.

You've got seven of mine outstanding and now Vox has asked you some. Let's have some answers.

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 11:19 AM  

The rules are clear, A. Man. Answer all seven of Sigyn's questions and answer mine or go away. If you keep trying to comment without answering them, your comments will simply be spammed.

If you cannot or will not defend your own statements, you will not be permitted to make any more, or to attack anyone else's.

Blogger tz April 02, 2013 11:20 AM  

Genocide against whites? Contraception, abortion, no-fault divorce. It is also destructive against blacks (more black babies are aborted, but there are also more single parents with more children). The feminized culture and especially the churches.

Genocide just requires breaking the link between both parents and the child. Either by preventing the children from existing or destroying them once conceived, or insuring they will die spiritually even if they live physically for a while.

Just because Genocide is occurring against whites does not mean it is not also occurring against others.

Anonymous Lulabelle April 02, 2013 11:21 AM  

I left to run a few errands. I saw a car with this bumper sticker (pink with black letters): There can be no freedom while others remain offended.

Got that? We will not be free until we eradicate all offense.

Blogger The Observer April 02, 2013 11:22 AM  

The rules are clear, A. Man. Answer all seven of Sigyn's questions and answer mine or go away. If you keep trying to comment without answering them, your comments will simply be spammed.

If you cannot or will not defend your own statements, you will not be permitted to make any more, or to attack anyone else's.


My prediction is that it will start to claim that it's being silenced, and that its comments being spammed is proof that VD can't deal with it before jumping up and down and declaring victory.

Any takers?

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 11:23 AM  

Just because Genocide is occurring against whites does not mean it is not also occurring against others.

It's not genocide if you do it to yourself.

Anonymous Jill April 02, 2013 11:26 AM  

Utopianists and their fairer cousins, idealists, are intrinsically evil, no matter the sex. They don't have my best interests at heart. This applies in equal measure to feminists and those who violently oppose them.

Anonymous Stingray April 02, 2013 11:28 AM  

There can be no freedom while others remain offended.

This makes my brain twitch in it's stunning stupidity.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 11:34 AM  

"Like, somehow, if you just prove the J-e-w-s were doing bad things it means that it's not racism."

Here we go with the 'Oh noes! The JOOOOS!' red herring, as is traditional on blogs. They Cannot Be Discussed, They Are Not A Physical Part of This World And Play No Role In It, And If You Point Out That They Actually Do Play A Role In It, Then You Are A Maniac Screaming About The JOOOOOS!

No, that is not what I was doing. You pulled out the magical Mogen David (mogen=shield) in order to shield yourself by trying to show that the turrrible, turrrible Suetonius was just so turribly raaaaciss for making jokes about the Jews. The subtext was, and don't deny it, that anyone who makes jokes about the Jews is double-secret SUPER raciss -- even an ancient Roman who didn't know much about them. I merely pointed out that Jewish racism extended to far worse than jokes, as the Talmud attests. You know what the Romans said about the Celtiberians and the Numidians? Much worse than what they said about the Jews, and hell, they enslaved the Celtiberians, under brutal conditions: Roman silver mines in Hispania were some of the most brutal things on earth. White-on-white slavery. Oh, the turrrible raaacism.

"You are trying to claim exclusivity of extraordinary racism against whites."

No, exactly wrong. I am claiming that accusations against whites that they are "extraordinarily" racist or the only people on earth who are "naturally" racist are a) utterly false, b) taken completely out of the context of human history and anthropology, and c) aimed at whites with a specifically malicious, anti-white racist intent, in order to further the genocidal goal of anti-white dispossession of whites within their own territories, which anti-whites are now openly gloating about as they witness its success.

It so happens that anti-white racism is indeed literally "extraordinary" because it occurs without a military conquest, and it occurs in the context of whites offering mercy and succor to the invaders: that is, indeed, extraordinary. But it wasn't the point of my argument, it's a side issue. My point was that A. Man's argument of the "extraordinary, wildly rampant" racism and anti-Semitism of the West is a lie and a smear, and a malignant one, because I doubt he's ignorant enough not to know that what he claimed was an outrageous lie. He's either evil or ignorant; being a leftist, though, it's six of one half dozen the other.

Anonymous Starbuck April 02, 2013 11:36 AM  

The latter mate. I loathe the yankees for what the yankees have done and continue to do.

They are locusts.


Nate... Do you loathe all yankees? Or are some northerners not yankees? Or do you just hate anyone born from north of the mason-dixie line?

Same question to you scoobius, Do you hate all Jews? Because there are scores of Jews that have done nothing to you and wish you no harm. While there are Jews that have done some terrible things to other people and continue to do so. There are whites/blacks/asians/middle eastern who do terrible things to others as well.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 11:37 AM  

"It's not genocide if you do it to yourself."

They _aren't_ doing it to themselves.

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 11:37 AM  

Utopianists and their fairer cousins, idealists, are intrinsically evil, no matter the sex. They don't have my best interests at heart.

Who does except you, and if you're fortunate, your friends and family? Anyone else who claims to do so is almost certainly lying and seeking to use you in some way.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 11:37 AM  

LulabelleApril 02, 2013 11:21 AM
I left to run a few errands. I saw a car with this bumper sticker (pink with black letters): There can be no freedom while others remain offended.
Got that? We will not be free until we eradicate all offense.


That bumper sticker offends me.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner April 02, 2013 11:38 AM  

@ Stingray

There can be no freedom without slavery.

"This is what it is. Period." - Barbara

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 11:38 AM  

I think you are mixing up whats going on here. You are trying to claim exclusivity of extraordinary racism against whites.

You clearly didn't understand what he wrote. Read it again.

Anonymous Clay April 02, 2013 11:39 AM  

Reading exchanges on this blog will dickweeds like A.Man reminds me of this exchange from the movie Analyze This:

"Dr. Ben Sobel: Which thing are you talkin' about, The first thing or the second thing?
Primo Sidone: What second thing?
I only know one thing.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Hey, how can we bring up the first thing if we're not gonna Talk about the second thing? Did you talk to the guy?
Primo Sidone: What guy?
Dr. Ben Sobel: The guy with the thing.
Primo Sidone: What thing? What the fuck you talking about?
Dr. Ben Sobel: How should I know? You brought it up."



Anonymous Orion April 02, 2013 11:41 AM  

Doing yearly required Ethics and Integrity training now at a large corporation. Makes me want to find a different occupation away from corporate America, very, very badly.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 11:41 AM  

Anyone else who claims to do so is almost certainly lying and seeking to use you in some way.

Except for the televangelist on TV and Oprah. They clearly are looking out for you.

Life is pain, princess. Anyone who tells you otherwise is selling something.

Anonymous daddynichol April 02, 2013 11:42 AM  

@ A. Man

Do you agree with the following quote, and if so, why?

I think that I can speak for all women when I say that this very important because we cannot offend science fiction fans of other religions. The right to free speech is irrelevant to women’s rights and freedom of religion. People need to understand that being offended is a really big deal and that we should be able to make you not offend us. And science fiction cannot be sexist or minority-phobic either. This is what it is. Period.

In your reply, try real hard not to bring Vox into the answer.

Blogger IM2L844 April 02, 2013 11:45 AM  

are some northerners not yankees?

Yankees are those people who would put brown gravy on a chicken fried steak. Heathens.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 11:45 AM  

"Same question to you scoobius, Do you hate all Jews?"

Easily answered. Not only do I not hate all Jews, I don't hate ANY Jews. I don't hate anybody, at all: I am not permitted to, I am a Christian.

I am attempting to form an analysis of what is happening in our age, and the analysis can only be accurate if all the phenomena involved are identified. And Jews go to great efforts to suppress and conceal any evidence of their involvement in what is happening. Therefore it is important to uncover these things and discuss them openly. We cannot form a sane vision of "What Is To Be Done?" if we don't have all of the facts, and an accurate analysis, in front of us. And to arrive there, we have to ask certain unpleasant questions.

If my rhetoric seems a bit scathing or troubles you, then good. But I'd add that you must be easily troubled: what I say here is really quite mild, you should hear what real ranters sound like. I'm not ranting, I'm working in the tradition of Swift: deliberately being scathing and satirical, in order to rouse you from your slumbers. Could I be wrong about the things I say? Of course I could; I consider it unlikely, but it's certainly not impossible. But then again, it would be impossible to judge whether I'm wrong, if the issue were never brought to daylight, yes? That is precisely why people Who Must Not Be Named, in any context, not just this one, wish to not be named.

Anonymous Stingray April 02, 2013 11:47 AM  

Lysander Spooner,

And notice it is a woman who says this, who if she could allow herself to see it, would find this freedom (and protection) in being submissive to a man, her husband. And since she cannot do that, decides that those who disagree with her must be slaves to the state who must implement this insane decree.

Yet, it would offend her for anyone to say she must submit to a man. She must be free to be who she is!!!! You must submit to her will so that she is not offended!!!!! Anyone who is offended by this must . . . . wait, you disagree with her?!?!?! That simply does not compute and throws the hamster into a furious spin.

Blogger Giraffe April 02, 2013 11:49 AM  

@ The Observer

Any takers?

Looks like he's just going to leave, and then try to come back when he thinks Vox has forgotten about him.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 11:53 AM  

For a guy who doesn't hate Jews you do a rather remarkable imitation of somebody who does. If I didn't know better I'd think you'd been raised in the Muslim Brotherhood.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 11:53 AM  

Yankees are those people who would put brown gravy on a chicken fried steak. Heathens.

I thought those were Canadians.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 11:54 AM  

You clearly didn't understand what he wrote. Read it again.

Fair enough:

Actually, the present era, today, as we speak, is the only time in the entire history of Western Civilization that we are observing "extraordinary racism" -- and it is entirely racism against whites, and it is genocidal in nature.

Perhaps an apology is in order after all? Is the claim not as I thought, but rather, this is the first time in Western Civilization that ONLY whites are targeted for substantive racism - e.g., the normal background racism is largely quelled, but the primary form of racism out there is against whites?

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 11:55 AM  

If I didn't know better I'd think you'd been raised in the Muslim Brotherhood.

Scoob also hates muslims, blacks, asians, and latinos.

Anonymous Roundtine April 02, 2013 11:56 AM  

"Yes. No. No."

I think VD was in a hurry and got the answers in the wrong order.


VD wasn't talking about which rights women can have, but what are legitimate rights. Property, life, liberty are legitimate rights. There is no natural right to vote (you have no right to the political process, rather your legitimate right is freedom from political interference in your life). Since feminism and women's rights are basically a laundry list of political interference into your private life, they are inherently opposed to legitimate rights.

dh asked: "Or are you talking about, in the larger sense, cultural "rights" - to have careers, the balance of power within marriages, etc."

None of those are legitimate rights, since using state power to enforce them by definition means violating the rights of others. Careers are a modern invention, but the balance of power within marriages has always been extralegal. It is driven by personalities, not laws. What the "balance of power within marriages" is really about is undoing the natural laws. Women did not have as much power as men outside of marriage because they are the dependent sex. It is impossible to free women from dependency because it is their nature, all that was accomplished was changing dependency from a single male or family to society. This was accomplished by violating property rights, one of the basic foundations of Western civilization. Women were always free previously and there are historic examples, what they were not free from was their nature, no more than men were.

Anonymous Peter Garstig April 02, 2013 11:59 AM  

Hahaha. This reminds be of quite some discussions I have with women.

Her: 'It's impossible to discuss things with you.'
Me: 'Why is that?'
Her: 'You always disagree.'
Me: 'So, discussion is when everybody agrees?'
Her: 'Yes!'
Me: 'I call that masturbation'

Replace 'masturbation' with anything you see fit at the moment.

Anonymous Starbuck April 02, 2013 12:00 PM  

If my rhetoric seems a bit scathing or troubles you, then good. But I'd add that you must be easily troubled - scoobius

Thanks scoobius. And no I am not troubled. I didn't even know you were saying anything about Jews before today.

What is going on in the world, there are certian Jews that are not innocent. But most Jews are not causing the problems. That's all I wanted to say on that subject.

I'll try to ignore the rhetoric and concentrate on the information you are trying to put forth. Good Day!

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 12:01 PM  

For your reference, A. Man:

From this thread:

1. What do you mean by "Christian armageddon"?

2. Why do you object to tax-exempt status for religious and charitable organizations?


From the other:

3. Do you believe that American women can't file for divorce, for any reason or no reason?

4. (Relevant to the question of "Have feminists not defended the right of women to kill men who abuse them?", which he already answered): If I feel like someone might hurt me in future and I'm too stupid to up and leave, I can proactively go take them out?

5. And if someone already hurt me, I can, after the fact, go kill them in revenge? And this is perfectly legal and justified?

6. Do you contend that no feminists whatsoever have described "abuse" so that name-calling or "making me feel bad about myself" become abusive behaviors? Or are you saying that if ALL self-described feminists don't say it, No True Feminist has ever said it?

7. Are you saying that you honestly don't know if ANY feminist has called for "a ban on actions that make a woman feel uncomfortable", or are you saying that if ALL self-described feminists haven't called for it, No True Feminist has ever called for it?


There you go. Check links for context as needed.

Anonymous zen0 April 02, 2013 12:01 PM  

@ Josh

Scoob also hates muslims, blacks, asians, and latinos.

Jews. You forgot Jews. But Toons are ok (unless they are muslims, blacks, asians, and latinos or jews).

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 12:02 PM  

Yankees are those people who would put brown gravy on a chicken fried steak. Heathens.

I thought those were Canadians.


No, Canadians put maple syrup on their Canadian bacon.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 12:10 PM  

Jews. You forgot Jews

Also hates. That means in addition to Jews.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 12:12 PM  

No, Canadians put maple syrup on their Canadian bacon.

They also put brown gravy on everything. If you gave a Canadian a medium rare ribeye, they would drown it in gravy. A remarkably uncivilized people.

Blogger IM2L844 April 02, 2013 12:17 PM  

I thought those were Canadians.

All I know is that when traveling across the northern states, if you stop to eat and ask for a chicken fried steak with gravy, they will put brown gravy on it unless you specify white gravy. Even then, they will use white sauce made with corn starch in a pan rather than gravy properly made from lightly browned all-purpose flour in an iron skillet. Maybe they learned this from supra-yankee Canadians. I don't know, but either way it's gay!

Anonymous Jill April 02, 2013 12:22 PM  

@VD : "Who does except you, and if you're fortunate, your friends and family? Anyone else who claims to do so is almost certainly lying and seeking to use you in some way."

Yes. And this is the kind of idealism I see from your camp that is a lie: "And notice it is a woman who says this, who if she could allow herself to see it, would find this freedom (and protection) in being submissive to a man, her husband."

This may be the natural law that women find themselves under no matter how they lie to themselves (except now we are all bitches of the masculine state, male and female alike), but it doesn't bring them freedom in any tangible way, and it might or might not afford them protection.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 12:24 PM  

It is gay. Plus they don't serve sweet tea.

Anonymous RINO April 02, 2013 12:26 PM  

The latter mate. I loathe the yankees for what the yankees have done and continue to do.

They are locusts.


Do you hate the south as well for spawning Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, the Bushes, and good old Woodrow?

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 12:28 PM  

Peter we are talking about principle here and principle resides behind law. No one is going to agree on principle and that is why just laws, hopefully enacted by just and principled people, must be enforced. So there is no idea here that bickering is somehow itself stupid. Allowing people to have double standards before the law or their own private laws is what is stupid. Law and fair play has nothing to do with playing with one's self. Disagreement is one thing, legal doublethink another.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 12:30 PM  

"Do you hate the south as well for spawning Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, the Bushes, and good old Woodrow?"

I don't hate yankees for their politicians son. I hate them for them.

After all... the greatest tyrant of them all.. was born in Kentucky.

Anonymous Luscinia Hâfez April 02, 2013 12:32 PM  

Sweet tea barely qualifies as tea.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 12:36 PM  

"...muslims, blacks, asians, and latinos."

Unfortunate, since my experience with them in their own countries has been they are far less PC, less racialist and easy to get along with than the white and non-white political Left in America.

That's not to say they know what a Bill of Rights is or how to reverse engineer a safety pin, but it's revealing that our political Left is philosophically now at same the level as Al-Ahzar University.

If a liberal didn't have an identity to guide them, they'd be bereft of any standard to parse right and wrong other than perhaps a divining rod or weather vane. Liberals are addicted to double standards.

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 12:36 PM  

Yes. And this is the kind of idealism I see from your camp that is a lie: "And notice it is a woman who says this, who if she could allow herself to see it, would find this freedom (and protection) in being submissive to a man, her husband."

I'm confused. Are you saying that a woman's husband isn't her family and therefore won't look out for her?

but it doesn't bring them freedom in any tangible way,

Freedom isn't tangible. Do you mean "practical"?

and it might or might not afford them protection.

Dealing with other human beings is a pain, isn't it? You can't make them do anything. You can only wait and see what they're going to do.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 12:36 PM  

"Sweet tea barely qualifies as tea."

There ya go. Delusional Dimwit Dan is on the Yankee side.

I can't imagine a greater southern endorsement.

Anonymous RINO April 02, 2013 12:37 PM  

I don't hate yankees for their politicians son. I hate them for them.

So none of the hate involves the poltiical implications of "them" being "them"?

Anonymous VD April 02, 2013 12:38 PM  

And this is the kind of idealism I see from your camp that is a lie: "And notice it is a woman who says this, who if she could allow herself to see it, would find this freedom (and protection) in being submissive to a man, her husband."

What is this camp of which you speak? I speak only for myself. And I wouldn't put it that way myself. I don't think women find freedom through submission, of course, I don't believe most women have any interest in freedom or the personal responsibility it necessarily entails. Some do, of course, but they are a fairly distinct and unusual minority.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 12:41 PM  

Scoobius, you're "rhetoric" as you put it, consists of the same clever argument racial bigots have used to detach morality from one ethnicity and and slap it on another throughout history.

In contemporary mainstream terms, you are a true liberal, since the KKK and neo-Nazis have been marginalized into the swamps they belong in. I'm surprised you don't post at Scalzi's house of doublethink. Just say straight white males are endemically immoral and racist instead of everyone else and he'll roll out the red carpet.

Anonymous clk April 02, 2013 12:44 PM  

Come on whats wrong with Yankees -- Jeter, Mariano, Cano etc ... maybe a bit old but gentlemen all thru and thru.

Blogger IM2L844 April 02, 2013 12:45 PM  

This may be the natural law that women find themselves under no matter how they lie to themselves (except now we are all bitches of the masculine state, male and female alike), but it doesn't bring them freedom in any tangible way, and it might or might not afford them protection.

Astute observation, Jill. I believe feminists along with their genetically effeminate lackeys, subconsciously resent the fact that they instinctively view all men as authority figures. In other words, they hate their own nature because it means their desires to be perceived as equally natural authority figures can never be reconciled with the immutability of human nature. Contrary to popular opinion, we are not evolving into more enlightened beings.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 12:45 PM  

"Scoob also hates muslims, blacks, asians, and latinos."

If Muslims, blacks, Asians, and Latinos, (you forgot Subcontinentals) --and the sum total population of each individual group named here outnumbers the sum total population of whites, never mind as an aggregate-- all converge simultaneously on white societies as mass immigrants and chain migrants and begging refugees, what happens to white societies? India could shrug its shoulders tomorrow, and if it sent the resulting flecks of human dandruff to Australia, Australia would become non-white overnight, and India would never even notice the population loss. 20 million? It's lost change under the cushions of their demographic sofa. If China, Vietnam, and Africa all did the same, Australia ceases to exist in a heartbeat. In fact Australia is already ceasing to exist in this manner, just more slowly.

Ireland is a nation with 5 million people; Nigeria is a nation with over 100 million people. If every single Irishman moved to Nigeria tomorrow, the Nigerians would not even notice (well, except the rapists, who would have a field day). But if only 3 million Nigerians move to Ireland, then Ireland is finished as a nation with an Irish identity, both racially and culturally.

The United States, a historically white, Christian country, is under siege from all sides by Muslim, African, Latino, Indian, Pakistani, Arab, and East Asian immigrants, the sheer numbers of whom threaten America's historical national identity. This is happening at the same time that abortions are up, white fertility is down, miscegenation is encouraged, white culture and religion are openly denigrated, diversity and multiculturalism diminish white economic prospects leading to delayed white family formation, and non-white crime against whites makes it a necessity for whites to flee from non-whites to expensive suburbs in order to avoid non-white crime, the high cost of which diminishes and retards the white reproductive cycle.

Anonymous The Gray Man April 02, 2013 12:46 PM  

Scoobius,

You seem to have your head on straight when it comes to the Chosen people. I like how some of the regulars here still don't have that one figured out. If I had more time I'd write more in almost total agreement with you -- keep it up.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 12:46 PM  

If all this is true, and it is, then it is not necessary to "hate" muslims, blacks, latinos etc. in order to point out that their presence is detrimental to whites. Furthermore, it is not "hate" to merely point out that everybody on earth doesn't want to live next to everybody else. I don't want any of the Ilk at my Thanksgiving table, it doesn't mean I hate anybody who posts here.

The white phenotype is biologically recessive, which means that on average, when whites mate with non-whites, the resulting offspring are predominantly non-white. If a Pakistani mates with an Amerindian, no really unique biological information is lost: black hair, brown eyes, dark skin, short stature, low IQ: the phenotype is preserved. When whites mate with non-whites, the white phenotype is diminished, and will eventually be lost -- which is the essence of genocide. In an increasingly mixed society where miscegenation is openly encouraged and white "racism" (meaning white girls not wishing to mate with non-whites) is subject to extreme public shaming, it is a natural result that there will be increased race-mixing, leading to further decreases in the white population.

It does not require "hatred" to recognize any of this, it only requires two eyes and a brain. I do not "hate" Pakistanis if I wish them to remain in Pakistan and not pollute my people's culture and gene pool. I simply love my own people and wish them to survive. I am not harming Pakistanis by pointing out that they have Pakistan to live in, and ought not to flood the UK, which they have no right to do. That is not hatred.

And if it turns out that Jews are playing an acutely vigorous, and consciously vigorous role in enabling all these processes, then it is not hatred to point out that Jews are effectively complicit in genocide. And to demand that they cease and desist is not hatred, it is love of my own people. I'm not setting off bombs on buses in Tel Aviv; I am pointing out that a great evil is being committed, and that it has to stop. And it cannot stop until we shed full light on its nature.

Now grow up, all of you.

Anonymous Retrenched April 02, 2013 12:46 PM  

"Do you hate the south as well for spawning Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, the Bushes"

GWB was born in Connecticut. GHWB was born in Massachusetts.

Just sayin'...

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 12:47 PM  

I can't imagine a greater southern endorsement.

Southern girls in sundresses.

Blogger LP2021 Bank of LP Work in Progress April 02, 2013 12:52 PM  

WRE: Which is another reason why women ruin literature with f'ism.

I cannot help but blame rapeymcpaperson b/c I forgot to last time.

Blogger LP2021 Bank of LP Work in Progress April 02, 2013 12:54 PM  

If Barb has a manifesto of feminists nonsense it would be a cry for help.

Anonymous Stingray April 02, 2013 12:58 PM  

I made a classic mistake and was talking about the feeling of being free. Women as a group are willing to become slaves to have the feeling of being free. It's like we need to submit to someone to have this feeling. ;) Since women find it offensive to submit to a man they will ask to the state to force them to submit and everyone else around them as well. Thus making us have fewer actual freedoms in the process, the practical kind not the feeling kind.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 1:00 PM  

"...muslims, blacks, latinos" are not detrimental to whites - politicized expressions of them are. You are a politicized expression of a white. You are detrimental to "muslims, blacks, latinos," not to mention the Bill of Rights.

I don't have a problem with huevos rancheros but with La Raza. I don't have a problem with Marvin Gaye but with 100 Black Men of America. I don't have a problem with belly dancers but with the Muslim Brotherhood.

The problem in America is that those racially politicized views are being mainstreamed as justice. In a microcosm, you only have to look at three bitter racialists being conspicuously involved in the SFWA: John Scalzi - president. Saladin Ahmed and N.K. Jemisin: Nebula nominees. There are at least a dozen black literary awards I cannot win simply because I am white. That racially politicized double standard is the problem, not skin. Try and understand the difference between the two. To say you're not helping is an understatement since, like a liberal, you parse right and wrong through identity, and not principle.

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 1:01 PM  

"Now grow up, all of you."

yankees burned my nation to the ground. They raped our daughters and murdered our sons. They starved our men in yankee prisons like Point Lookout.

Then... they taught my people to hate themselves. They taught my people that we are dumb... that we are wrong... and that we must always kneel before their greater wisdom and intellect.

No scoobius.

You think we shouldn't hate them?

I don't give a damn.

Anonymous Anthony Scorsone April 02, 2013 1:01 PM  

That statement alone is one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard "we should be able to make you not offend us." So whatever she decides to find offensive we should all have to immediately stop? Don't make me laugh.

Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 1:03 PM  

"Try and understand the difference between the two."

Pfft. Child.

Little boys should be seen and not heard.

Anonymous rrm April 02, 2013 1:03 PM  

I don't post often but I'm here a lot. Here's one thing that strikes me: when you resort to telling people to grow up, you've lost the argument.

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 1:04 PM  


yankees burned my nation to the ground. They raped our daughters and murdered our sons. They starved our men in yankee prisons like Point Lookout.

Then... they taught my people to hate themselves. They taught my people that we are dumb... that we are wrong... and that we must always kneel before their greater wisdom and intellect.


Yes, but do you want to make them not offend you?

Blogger Giraffe April 02, 2013 1:05 PM  

@ Stingray

Women as a group are willing to become slaves to have the feeling of being free. It's like we need to submit to someone to have this feeling.

Perhaps I can't understand your perspective. Is freedom really a goal for most women? Seems like they want security. The only freedom they want is freedom from consequences and responsibility.

Anonymous bw April 02, 2013 1:07 PM  

Force. That's all it ever comes down to for those who hate Nature.
The State, and those behind it, are glad to enable psychologically damaged sub-humans to destroy themselves and society - making it so much easier to Rule over the whole.
There is no greater jest and ritual than having someone enslave and destroy themselves willingly.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:09 PM  

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Anonymous scoobius dubious April 02, 2013 1:09 PM  

"Here's one thing that strikes me: when you resort to telling people to grow up, you've lost the argument."

Here's a better idea: when you resort to saying, When you resort to saying X you've lost...

Well I'll leave it to you to figure the rest of that one out, Cicero.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:12 PM  

As a yankee, unless you agree with this statement overall in general,

"The South was right."

then you are to be hated.

Scoob, where did the original hate whitey and destroy the western civ. in this country get its start? Try the Southern War For Independence and the loss of that war by the true cultural base of what once was.

This country was broke for good when the yankees won.

Marx was a huge fan of the Tyrant and his war for the enslaved peoples.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:13 PM  

leaving the typos and not deleting the post again

Anonymous Billy Sherman April 02, 2013 1:17 PM  

"yankees burned my nation to the ground. They raped our daughters and murdered our sons"

A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. War was the remedy that our enemies have chosen and I say let us give them all they want.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:18 PM  

I don't give a damn.

You're a good ol' rebel...

Anonymous Orion April 02, 2013 1:20 PM  

@DH

I would think that the term "extraordinary racism" would be very applicable for the status of whites as we are/were the majority yet laws are written currently to curtail our rights in preference to minorities while at the same time we are told we are repressing them by not ceding more to them. Plain old run-of-the-mill racism would be whites actually restricting the rights of minorities in favor of..... whites. I am struggling to recall the last time that I had an advantage for getting a position based on anything other than skill, while I have had to endure putting up with people advanced because they had the right color skin while completely lacking the skills fairly often in corporate America.

Anonymous Stingray April 02, 2013 1:22 PM  

Giraffe,

The feeling we are speaking of, this sense of freedom (I realize I am using the word incorrectly, but please bear with me as I can't think of a better word to describe the feeling) is a consequence of security, so yes. I think you're correct. However, I am not sure that women don't want responsibility so much and they don't want masculine responsibility. As to the consequences, I tend to think that women fear being wrong or embarrassed more than the actual consequences themselves.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 1:25 PM  

"yankees burned my nation to the ground. They raped our daughters and murdered our sons"
If your people can't tell which way the wind blows, why shed a tear for them? You can put your people right up their against the American Indians, for that matter.

Anonymous Luscinia Hâfez April 02, 2013 1:25 PM  

WRE: Which is another reason why women ruin literature with f'ism.

Oh, yeah, because A Throne of Bones is so much better than Illusion or Jonathan Strange & Mr Norell or In The Night Garden or The Snow Queen or The Alchemy of Stone or Where Late The Sweet Birds Sang or The Etched City...need I go on?


(In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic)

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 1:26 PM  

I am struggling to recall the last time that I had an advantage for getting a position based on anything other than skill, while I have had to endure putting up with people advanced because they had the right color skin while completely lacking the skills fairly often in corporate America.

The racialist poisition is that the system is tilted. The fact that you have a white sounding name got you that interview, at least as much as your resume, for example.

I don't buy it, but there is some evidence that it does happen, recently. Red-lining, for example, is still a small but real problem.

Anonymous RINO April 02, 2013 1:26 PM  

As a yankee, unless you agree with this statement overall in general,

"The South was right."

then you are to be hated.


Please mark all the following things that you consider "right":

[ ] Human slavery
[ ] Forced military draft
[ ] Income tax
[ ] Leaving an individual off a ballot over philosophical disagreements
[ ] Implementation of an increasingly inflated paper currency
[ ] Murder outside of a time of war

Anonymous Starbuck April 02, 2013 1:28 PM  

yankees burned my nation to the ground. They raped our daughters and murdered our sons. They starved our men in yankee prisons like Point Lookout.

Then... they taught my people to hate themselves. They taught my people that we are dumb... that we are wrong... and that we must always kneel before their greater wisdom and intellect.

No scoobius.

You think we shouldn't hate them?

I don't give a damn.
-Nate


Well Nate. I know many people that didn't do that to you or anyone of your Nation (The Confederacy I assume) But the confederacy did do that to many people. You nor many people that are decendants did that kind of thing either.

Do I say "Let it go"? Nope. I have in the past, but I have studied on what the confederacy was all about. Just like the Union, they were right and wrong. Same as the human condition.

I say - Secede from the Union. Re-fight the civil war. Most of what the south was wrong about is no longer valid. What the Union was wrong about is even more today, and more intrusive.

I would prefer to live in the south then the north, but I am from the south and many southerners don't take kindly to me. But they do it from a distance. They are polite to my face, I will give them that.

I really do personally think the old south should get their own country. But I don't know if it can be achieved.

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 1:28 PM  

Since feminism and women's rights are basically a laundry list of political interference into your private life, they are inherently opposed to legitimate rights.

I can't see that this is universally true. Many of the laundry list are simply using cultural pressure to accomplish a goal. I suppose this makes it political, but it exists far above and wider than the political process from what I see.

Anonymous Starbuck April 02, 2013 1:29 PM  

I am not from the south... sorry, I got ahead of myself..

Anonymous dh April 02, 2013 1:29 PM  

I say - Secede from the Union. Re-fight the civil war. Most of what the south was wrong about is no longer valid. What the Union was wrong about is even more today, and more intrusive.

This is basically whats happening politically and culturally, and the south continues to lose.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:32 PM  

Rino,

Perfect is the enemy of what was best.

If you don't understand, try rereading history and not from a yankee source.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:32 PM  

Please mark all the following things that you consider "right":

You're being intentionally disingenuous. On the question of secession, was the South right?

Anonymous LINO April 02, 2013 1:33 PM  

"I can't see that this is universally true. Many of the laundry list are simply using cultural pressure to accomplish a goal. I suppose this makes it political, but it exists far above and wider than the political process from what I see."

Culture? What do feminists know about culture?

Anonymous Anonymous April 02, 2013 1:33 PM  

"I can't see that this is universally true. Many of the laundry list are simply using cultural pressure to accomplish a goal. I suppose this makes it political, but it exists far above and wider than the political process from what I see."

Culture? What do feminists know about culture?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:35 PM  

And to segue into what this post is about, Feminists HATE the South.

Think about that yankee union lovers.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:35 PM  

This is basically whats happening politically and culturally, and the south continues to lose.

How so?

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:36 PM  

Culture? What do feminists know about culture?
yogurt, yoga, and yeast infections

Anonymous Jed April 02, 2013 1:39 PM  

OT but related:

"Jesus Stomp" Professor on Leave, Because You Monsters Threatened Him
http://minx.cc/?post=338807

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:39 PM  

dh
This is basically whats happening politically and culturally, and the south continues to lose.


And yet the war is supposed to be over?
The North continues apace today with culturicide against Southron culture.

If only only those stupid cousin humpin hickbillies would get in line with the international utopia they have planned, then everything would be swell.

Until then, as Nate wrote,

they taught my people to hate themselves. They taught my people that we are dumb... that we are wrong... and that we must always kneel before their greater wisdom and intellect.

Anonymous Porky April 02, 2013 1:39 PM  

Scoobius: "I simply love my own people and wish them to survive."

Your non-white savior has a different conception about who his own people are.



Anonymous DrTorch April 02, 2013 1:40 PM  

Do I say "Let it go"? Nope. I have in the past, but I have studied on what the confederacy was all about. Just like the Union, they were right and wrong. Same as the human condition.

I say - Secede from the Union. Re-fight the civil war. Most of what the south was wrong about is no longer valid. What the Union was wrong about is even more today, and more intrusive.

I would prefer to live in the south then the north, but I am from the south and many southerners don't take kindly to me. But they do it from a distance.


Spot on.

Oh, and the indoctrination centers known as universities have generated plenty of statists in the south, you couldn't distinguish from those from Madison or Amherst.

Anonymous RINO April 02, 2013 1:40 PM  

You're being intentionally disingenuous. On the question of secession, was the South right?

No, they weren't right. And all those things that I listed show that the question is largely irrelevant. When push came to shove, in a time of crisis the South chose tyranny as a response, which is the natural human response and also the response of the North. Stop dismissing blatant tyranny just because your holy word "secession" is attached. And stop living in denial.

Anonymous Jed April 02, 2013 1:41 PM  


"The South was right."

What part?

About starting an Empire?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Circle_%28proposed_country%29

"The Golden Circle was to be centered in Havana and was 2,400 miles (3,900 km) in diameter. It included northern South America, most of Mexico, all of Central America, Cuba, Haiti/Dominican Republic and most other Caribbean islands, and the American South. In the United States, the circle's northern border roughly coincided with the Mason-Dixon line, and within it were included such cities as Washington D.C., St. Louis, and Pittsburgh of the US, and Mexico City and Panama City (and most of those countries' areas)"

Anonymous Sigyn April 02, 2013 1:42 PM  

The feeling we are speaking of, this sense of freedom (I realize I am using the word incorrectly, but please bear with me as I can't think of a better word to describe the feeling)

The word I think you're looking for is "unburdening".

is a consequence of security, so yes...However, I am not sure that women don't want responsibility so much and they don't want masculine responsibility.

Yes. Yes, this is it. To have to shoulder masculine responsibility is to have to pretend to be a man half the time. It's downright unnatural!

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 1:43 PM  

"This is basically whats happening politically and culturally, and the south continues to lose."

Wrong.

The South is winning... you're just not paying attention. Look at the economics. The industry is now in the South. The auto plants are all down here now... or at least... the new ones are. Airbus isn't building a new plant in Michigan. Its building it in Mobile, AL.

The South was once the richest part of the union... and it will be so again.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:45 PM  

Wait, so some on the South thought about Empire and thus the South is evveeel!

But then the Union never joined into Empire?

Between Jed and Rino, this is almost praise by faint damnation.

Anonymous mjb April 02, 2013 1:48 PM  

As a northerner with southern leanings, God bless the south. Let the north die a miserable death, the death it has wished upon itself for many years. But save NH and ME.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 1:48 PM  

Nate, what's funny is that the supposedly racist South is seeing the largest reverse migration of black folks since the early '60s if my memory serves. 57% of all black folks apparently don't like living in a sea of unreality, cuz they're now in the South.

Anonymous Porky April 02, 2013 1:49 PM  

The South was once the richest part of the union... and it will be so again

When was this?

Blogger Nate April 02, 2013 1:50 PM  

"When was this?"

Are you serious? You really don't know that the South literally paid for the industrial revolution?

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:50 PM  

No, they weren't right.

Why not? Why should the South be denied the right of self determination?

Anonymous Jed April 02, 2013 1:52 PM  

It's funny to watch "libertarians" jack-off to a authoritarian State with imperialist ambitions. "Oh General Lee, oh Jefferson Davis...Give it to me baby ...oh yeah oh oooohhh!"

F*ck north and south.

Anonymous Josh April 02, 2013 1:53 PM  

About starting an Empire?

How influential (outside of national treasure movies) were the knights of the golden circle?

Also, per your link, the guy who thought it up lived in Cincinnati.

Anonymous James May April 02, 2013 1:54 PM  

"Little boys should be seen and not heard."

Since you parse the world through things like the bark on trees and how shiny a reflection is on a lake, I'm not surprised you consider that a rebuttal.

Anonymous Heh April 02, 2013 1:54 PM  

Hey Scoob, got time for a trip to Berlin? You could ask sooooo many questions! (And not just, wie ist der Unterschied zwischen einem Jude und einer Pizza?)

To help educate postwar generations, the Jewish Museum in Berlin offers a Jewish man or woman to sit inside a glass box for two hours a day through August to answer visitors' questions about Jews and Jewish life.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/29/provocative-exhibit-at-jewish-museum-puts-jews-in-box-to-answer-visitors/#ixzz2OwaJ6hc6

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian April 02, 2013 1:57 PM  

Jed,

Once again, nobody has stated that the South was perfect.

The North and the Tryant ended all chance at limited government.

So, don't tell us Southrons about jack off authoritarian states.

And, as you state, f*ck Libertarians. Those morons think you can have state without sovereignty.

Anonymous Jed April 02, 2013 1:58 PM  

"How influential (outside of national treasure movies) were the knights of the golden circle?"

The idea of Empire was influential enough to start a war with Mexico, for example.

But what I say is irrelevant. You've already deemed the CSA to be as white as their future KKK robes.

I think I hear your mom knocking at the bathroom door. You better hide your Murray Rothbard book that you're jackin to.

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