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Saturday, May 04, 2013

Israel bombs Syria

This news out of the Middle East doesn't appear to bode terribly well for the supposedly nascent economic recovery, now in its fourth year:
The airstrike that Israeli warplanes carried out in Syria was directed at a shipment of advanced surface-to-surface missiles from Iran that Israel believed was intended for Hezbollah, the militant Lebanese organization, American officials said Saturday.

It was the second time in four months that Israel had carried out an attack in foreign territory intended to disrupt the pipeline of weapons from Iran to Hezbollah, and the raid was a vivid example of how regional adversaries are looking after their own interests as Syria becomes more chaotic.
Apparently the Israelis share some of my skepticism about the so-called "Arab Spring".  The problem with democracies is that although they do tend to wage less war, the wars they wage tend to be of the "total" variety.  Given that there are now democracies on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict, any war would be more likely to continue to unconditional surrender than in the bad old days of the Middle East strongmen.

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Anonymous Idle Spectator May 04, 2013 5:28 PM  

Allahu ballsackbar!

Anonymous Jason May 04, 2013 5:45 PM  

Which makes it imperative that no Arab country go nuclear, in spite of the horrible costs that will be required to prevent this eventuality.

Anonymous Will Best May 04, 2013 5:53 PM  

@ Jason

War isn't that expensive for the US in terms of money or lives. Its the nonsensical nation building done after the war that costs both.

Anonymous Josh May 04, 2013 5:57 PM  

Which makes it imperative that no Arab country go nuclear, in spite of the horrible costs that will be required to prevent this eventuality.

So you're okay with Iranian nukes?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 04, 2013 6:01 PM  

"So you're okay with Iranian nukes?"

As long as they only use them to microwave Israel, it's all good. An EMP over Chicago however, that's sort of a Bozo No-No. Unless they can figure out a way to only hit the parts north of Lincoln Park. That would be pretty funny.







Anonymous A Visitor May 04, 2013 6:05 PM  

Democratic peace theory, ha! I always thought that was one of the dumbest theories I ever saw in IR. Good on Israel. At least they're willing to defend their own people. I wish the same could be said for Dear Leader and the losers we have guiding our republic at this moment.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 04, 2013 6:19 PM  

"At least they're willing to defend their own people. I wish the same could be said for Dear Leader and the losers we have guiding our republic at this moment."

You misunderstand: Dear Leader IS defending his people, and doing it very well. Dear Leader's people are all non-whites, especially negroes and muslims, but also ALL non-whites, trans-globally, around the world. NOT citizens of the US. Especially not WHITE citizens of the US. They are the enemy. Bammy's people are all the Non-whites. Trans-globally. And he's doing a GREAT job serving them. He just doesn't happen to be serving YOU. Because, you see, you are teh evil raciss, teh most unholy demon to eber be loosed upon dis world. Becuz de slabery. De turrrrible, turrrible lebacy ub de slabery. Down, down to Hell, and say I sent thee thither!

Anonymous Supernatu May 04, 2013 6:30 PM  

At least they're willing to defend their own people. I wish the same could be said for Dear Leader and the losers we have guiding our republic at this moment.

Dear Leader is doing just fine! You just have to understand that he and the rest of the vultures and war pigs in the Government are certainly defending their own people, and you or I or any other average US citizen is not what they consider "OUR OWN."

Anonymous Supernaut May 04, 2013 6:31 PM  

Dang scooby, beat me to the exact same point.

Anonymous Supernaut May 04, 2013 6:36 PM  

Well not exact. I don't think Dear Leader gives two shits about EBT ghetto blacks as much as he doesn't give two shits about middle-upper class white Republican neo-cons.

We are all sheeple to those who make Dear Leader dance at the ends of their puppet strings. Black, white, jew or blue, if you 'aint a part of the inner party, your just a useless eater worthy of culling.

Anonymous Jason May 04, 2013 6:59 PM  

Will Best: I certainly wouldn't be sanguine about the risks of war with Persia (yeah, I should have mentioned Iran as well Josh) or any other potential nuclear theater in the Middle East, not to mention the collateral damage that would be involved. There is also the risk of being drawn in to some kind of nation-building lite. Still, it's better than dealing with a nuclear Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

Anonymous bob k. mando May 04, 2013 7:07 PM  

OT, nsfw language:
a professional cotton picker relates his experiences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PToqVW4n86U

Anonymous DonReynolds May 04, 2013 8:05 PM  

George Bush Jr. used to annoy me greatly when he was president, especially his mania for "democracy" in the Middle East. He did not even change his message when one by one, these countries democratically-elected terrorist organizations to run the government. Democracy has turned into an excuse to turn the governments of the region over the radical Islamists and terrorists. (The American-imposed democracies of Iraq and Afganistan will evaporate as soon as American ground units are withdrawn and quickly replaced by the native varieties.) "Arab Spring" was a media invention, much like the different "Occupy" encampments in this country.

Anonymous DonReynolds May 04, 2013 8:24 PM  

Jason.... "Still, it's better than dealing with a nuclear Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia."

We have dealt with fanatics with nuclear weapons in the past, with some success. There was never a threat to the USA as great as the USSR. Red China is still a threat. (If North Korea actually gets in the nuclear game, it will be with assistance from Russia and/or China.) Pakistan is a nuclear power and the events on 9/11 saved that country from extreme sanctions. India has seldom been a friend of the USA, having much closer ties to the USSR. The French pulled out of NATO decades ago, and took their own nukes with them. They may dislike Americans, but no one ever felt threatened by French nukes. It is a known secret that Israel has a few nuclear weapons, so it does not surprise me that rivals of Israel would go to a lot of expense and trouble to obtain them as well.

The Liberal press would never beat the war drums to invade a communist country, not even North Korea, which is the one country most likely to use the bomb, if they had one. No, they pair up with the Jews and Neocons to advocate endless wars in the Middle East, at American expense but for no benefit. Israel will fight to the last American.

Anonymous JW May 04, 2013 8:42 PM  

How do we know that what the NYT is telling us is true. Couldn't the whole thing be made up to gin up war fever in the US?

Anonymous Josh May 04, 2013 9:02 PM  

Still, it's better than dealing with a nuclear Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

No, no it's not.

Anonymous Matt May 04, 2013 9:11 PM  

No, no it's not.

I don't advocate military action to prevent it - it would probably be futile, among other reasons. But there's not a lot of reason to think nuclear proliferation among Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran will end in anything but tears.

Anonymous Josh May 04, 2013 9:14 PM  

But there's not a lot of reason to think nuclear proliferation among Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran will end in anything but tears.

Yes, tears from the neocons because it will effectively end our middle east meddling on behalf of the Israelis.

Anonymous Porky, droppings of wisdom May 04, 2013 9:14 PM  

Countdown to incontrovertible proof of Assad using chemical weapons on helpless children...3.....2.....

Anonymous Josh May 04, 2013 9:16 PM  

Countdown to incontrovertible proof of Assad using chemical weapons on helpless children...3.....2.....

Yeah, probably, but who cares?

Anonymous karsten May 04, 2013 9:24 PM  

Since the Israeli "nerve gas" false-flag operation failed to drag the U.S. into the war, as they hoped it would, Israel is now upping the ante to goad the Americans into this conflict.

Blogger Penrose May 04, 2013 9:26 PM  

The best way to prevent the US from attacking your country is to have a nuke.

Anonymous cheddarman May 04, 2013 9:29 PM  

I think Israel is making a big mistake in helping to bring down the Syrian government. Syria was a relatively toothless dog, not much of a threat. And Assad would have kept a lid on anyone fomenting terrorism. Now, with Syria descending into statelessness like Somalia and Libya this will not help the Jews.

And may God help the Christians who will suffer as a result of our foolish meddling.

Anonymous . May 04, 2013 9:29 PM  

The problem with democracies is that although they do tend to wage less war,

Who says that? I always thought the poli sci theory was that democracies don't wage war against each other, not that they don't wage war.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 04, 2013 9:40 PM  

Those Syrians are trying to destroy the very fabric of Western Civilization

Of course, Bieber is pretty gay.

Anonymous Laramie Hirsch May 04, 2013 9:43 PM  

"As long as they only use them to microwave Israel, it's all good. An EMP over Chicago however, that's sort of a Bozo No-No. Unless they can figure out a way to only hit the parts north of Lincoln Park. That would be pretty funny."

It is most satisfying that you favor liquidating an entire group of people, in particular if they are from a major American city. Your mommy and daddy must be so proud of you.

Fucking nutjob.

Anonymous The other skeptic May 04, 2013 9:55 PM  

The cold cometh and people will die.

Anonymous Hunsdon May 04, 2013 10:31 PM  

Cheddarman: Good call. I look at the people pushing for "regime change" in the Middle East and shake my head in disbelief. Who do they think wins those fights? Western-leaning, secular moderates?

Nope.

Hard vicious Muslim hillbillies win those fights, because they're the ones who are willing to pick up their guns, march to the sound of the gunfire, and start shooting cops, the military, and supporters of the regime.

When Western-leaning secular moderates hear the sound of gunfire, they close their doors and hit their knees to pray that it passes them by.

Assad might be a monster. He probably is. Generally speaking, that's who ends up on top. But he's a relatively tame monster, no threat to us, and no enemy of the Syrian Christian communities.

As a sidebar, it also drives me nuts that Americans think that everyone in the ME is a Muslim, kind of neatly glossing over the historic Christian communities. MPAI, I guess.

Anonymous Sojourner May 04, 2013 10:39 PM  

On topic: this is what Israel bombing Syria looks and sounds like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_j8ID-m1pU

Anonymous DonReynolds May 04, 2013 11:24 PM  

The problem with democracies is that although they do tend to wage less war,

Who says that? I always thought the poli sci theory was that democracies don't wage war against each other, not that they don't wage war.

Just where are these mythical democracies that never experience war? Well yeah....Switzerland is an old democracy that has not been at war in 500 years, but that is only because no other country has invaded them. But we need more than one example to establish such a broad sweeping rule.

I say any such rule is baloney. Wars are a bit like divorces. They are seldom amiable, or mutually beneficial, and often initiated by only one party. The other party(s) are playing self-defense, so it does not make a bit of difference whether they are a democracy or not.

Anonymous Shad May 05, 2013 12:35 AM  

The ancient aliens that helped the Pharaohs to build the pyramids did so as an example of a structure able to withstand a nuclear blast. The dense sloping sides deflect the actual blast and firestorm. And the stones,,were poured in place and made from a anti-radiation composite. They knew that someday nuclear war would come to that area of the World. The old aliens were very wise and we would do well to look to them and their writings to protect ourselves today.

Anonymous Telluride May 05, 2013 12:47 AM  

"Since the Israeli "nerve gas" false-flag operation failed to drag the U.S. into the war"

Do you spend you time trying to think of the craziest lie then passing it on as something more than that?

Anonymous Telluride May 05, 2013 12:50 AM  

"Fucking nutjob."

This doesn't even begin to describe this person. Nut jobs are sincerely offended right now.

Blogger  Trust Ted get misled. Gamma secret kings reddit May 05, 2013 1:29 AM  

Syria? What happened to their main fear factor, Iran?

Anonymous nick digger May 05, 2013 1:49 AM  

@Supernaut, the distinction is: he doesn't care about ghetto blacks; but he hates right-whites.

Anonymous Mr. Pea May 05, 2013 1:56 AM  

Type in your search bar "Map of The Club of Rome." Look at region 7. Look familiar? Meet the future Caliphate. If you think it is the Saudi's who will rule the Caliphate... you would be correct.

10 Regions/Kingdoms - Economic – Political – Social - The Club of Rome

Bush kissed them while Obama bowed the knee and mooned America.

Nuts you say!

Anonymous Mr. Pea May 05, 2013 1:58 AM  

P.S. http://youtu.be/Rc7i0wCFf8g

Anonymous Samuel Scott May 05, 2013 5:05 AM  

This really isn't that big of a deal. Israel just took out a convoy of missiles that were en route from Iran to Hizbollah in Lebanon via Syria. It wasn't attacking Syria itself. Because Hizbollah has that nasty habit of firing rockets into Israel.

And Israel, at least for the moment, is not taking sides. The government here has mainly adopted a "wait and see" mentality. Although Israel has erected a MASH-like medical facility on the border with Syria to treat the insurgents (or rebels or whatever your term of choice) -- perhaps as a goodwill gesture to the likely victors.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 05, 2013 5:42 AM  

" Laramie Hirsch May 04, 2013 9:43 PM

"As long as they only use them to microwave Israel, it's all good. An EMP over Chicago however, that's sort of a Bozo No-No. Unless they can figure out a way to only hit the parts north of Lincoln Park. That would be pretty funny."

It is most satisfying that you favor liquidating an entire group of people, in particular if they are from a major American city. Your mommy and daddy must be so proud of you.

Fucking nutjob.
"





EMP doesn't cause blast damage. EMP stands for electromagnetic pulse. It fries electrical devices and shuts down the power grid. That's all.

scoob is describing a bunch of cappuccino swilling SWPL's getting their iPhones fried and them being very very annoyed with that.

It's a joke. You know... a joke. ha ha .... funny


never mind

Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 6:49 AM  

@Athor Pel

The one thing I liked about scoobius' post was when he made it clear that me getting fried by a nuke would be just fine with him. I liked it because it backs up my view of the world political situation,

See, most Jews have this funny view of the world. They seen to think if the whine and cry loudly enough, someone else will care, alternatively you have Jews that think if you act tough and buff then people will respect them (and care). What they seem to have a problem grasping is that the world is extremely ugly, filled with extremely ugly people, most of whom will not care, the few that express compassion will mostly enjoy the show while expressing false sympathy, and they will themselves probably either be dead or insane from torment that could have been avoided if they showed courage.

My point: we are wasting precious time expecting you good folks to help us, and it is pointless to worry about your inevitable self righteous condemnation if we do find the balls to act. Rather, we should send those fuckers a case of bottled sunshine and let what will be, be,

Anonymous Athor Pel May 05, 2013 7:20 AM  

" Some dude May 05, 2013 6:49 AM
...
My point: we are wasting precious time expecting you good folks to help us, and it is pointless to worry about your inevitable self righteous condemnation if we do find the balls to act. Rather, we should send those fuckers a case of bottled sunshine and let what will be, be,
"


In all seriousness, the sooner Israel stops relying on other countries to do its dirty work and starts relying on the God that defines their very identity the better off they will be.

Here's some verses that illustrate the point.

Isaiah chapter 31
"
Isa 31:1 Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help, and rely on horses, and trust in chariots because they are many, and in horsemen because they are very strong, but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek Jehovah!

Isa 31:2 Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words, but will arise against the house of the evil-doers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.

Isa 31:3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit: and when Jehovah shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall stumble, and he that is helped shall fall, and they all shall be consumed together.

Isa 31:4 For thus saith Jehovah unto me, As the lion and the young lion growling over his prey, if a multitude of shepherds be called forth against him, will not be dismayed at their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so will Jehovah of hosts come down to fight upon mount Zion, and upon the hill thereof.

Isa 31:5 As birds hovering, so will Jehovah of hosts protect Jerusalem; he will protect and deliver it, he will pass over and preserve it.

Isa 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom ye have deeply revolted, O children of Israel.

Isa 31:7 For in that day they shall cast away every man his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.

Isa 31:8 And the Assyrian shall fall by the sword, not of man; and the sword, not of men, shall devour him; and he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall become subject to taskwork.

Isa 31:9 And his rock shall pass away by reason of terror, and his princes shall be dismayed at the ensign, saith Jehovah, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.
"


Blogger tz May 05, 2013 7:52 AM  

The last war the USA waged was Korea, if you still think Article 2 is relevant. The rest have been police actions or somesuch.

The term is "blowback", but in the case of Arab Spring, "recoil" might be more appropriate. Slinkys always go downhill.

Anonymous Stilicho May 05, 2013 8:03 AM  

And Israel, at least for the moment, is not taking sides. The government here has mainly adopted a "wait and see" mentality. Although Israel has erected a MASH-like medical facility on the border with Syria to treat the insurgents (or rebels or whatever your term of choice) -- perhaps as a goodwill gesture to the likely victors.

Any Israeli intervention (or perceived intervention) will be used by both sides to rally the troops and as an excuse and scapegoat for any atrocities they commit. As for goodwill gestures...the insurgents hate Israel as much as the Assad regime does, maybe more. There is no goodwill to be had. The Israeli gov't should know better and likely do, so I would suspect a different motive.

Anonymous karsten May 05, 2013 8:03 AM  

And now, seeing that America might not come in at all, Israel going it alone and starting its war with Syria.

And that was Israel's intention all along -- a cowardly one, but it out-Machiavels Machiavelli in its deviousness:

First: foment a civil war in Syria to weaken the opponent.

Then: go to war with the now-weakened-and-divided Syria. Makes the victory that much easier.

People who wondered why Israel was supporting the revolutionaries now know the answer: It wasn't that they wanted a Muslim state in Syria. It was to create internal division in Syria, so that Israel could strike Syria with impunity.

They'll try this in Iran next.

Anonymous E. PERLINE May 05, 2013 8:43 AM  

Israel is the enemy of our enemies, yet our big media bashes it. Our present administration is the friend of our enemies, yet our big media praises it.

This contradiction can be the reason for our growing internal insanity.

Anonymous karsten May 05, 2013 8:58 AM  

Israel is most certainly not the "enemy of our enemies." Israel is WHY we have enemies -- because of our costly support of it, which gives us nothing in return but comes at a stratospheric cost.

By supporting Israel blindly, we gain nothing, we incur enemies, and we lose thousands of lives and billions of dollars.

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Anonymous Dan in Tx May 05, 2013 10:10 AM  

E. Perline: "Israel is the enemy of our enemies, yet our big media bashes it."

Big media bashing Israel? Have you ever noticed who owns all the big media?

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 10:34 AM  

Sure, our alliance with Israel causes the United States all sorts of trouble, but hey, look on the bright side, at least they give us all that free oil...

No, wait, that isn't it.

Well, at least they selflessly help us out with all the--

No, wait, that isn't it either.

Well, at least they aren't constantly meddling in our polit-- wait, that isn't it, either.

Well, at least American Jews are solidly loyal to the United-- no, that's not it.

Well, at least they aren't using their power in media, finance, law and academia to weaken and destroy Christianity and undermine the white-- no, wait, that's not it either.

Well, at least they aren't working day and night to effect a soft genocide against whites through their inflexible support for massive third world immigra-- no, wait, that's not it.

Remind me again why we are allies with these people. (I use the word "people" for convenience, as a term of art.)

Forget the Iranians and the Palestinians, why haven't WE nuked these cocksuckers three weeks ago?

Anonymous Nah May 05, 2013 11:09 AM  

The last war the USA waged was Korea, if you still think Article 2 is relevant. The rest have been police actions or somesuch.

Korea was the first "police action" -- WW2 was the last declaration of war.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni May 05, 2013 12:02 PM  

Israel is not trying to "meddle" in the Syrian civil war. The missiles they so dramatically destroyed were to have been launched by Hezbollah against Israel. So the bombing did not support the Sunni rebels in Syria. Israel is just using an opportunity afforded by the Saudi-backed revolt against the Shia- and Iranian-backed Syrian Alawite regime to send a message to Hezbollah that their ratline through Syria to Iran is under serious threat. Also, should the AlQaeda-associated rebels overthrow Assad, Hezbollah will be so occupied fighting them that they may not have any "Allahu Akbar "s left to launch at Israel.
Death and division within Islam? Sounds good to me.

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 12:10 PM  

""E. Perline: "Israel is the enemy of our enemies, yet our big media bashes it."

Big media bashing Israel? Have you ever noticed who owns all the big media?" - Dan in TX

Are you implying Israel owns big media? Can you provide a reference or two on your assertion? There might be nominal Jews that are CEO's or sit on the board...that doesn't make them pro-Israel. Can you provide one reference where a significant member of the media in the last 7 years that has come out publicly for Israel? 69% of Jews VOTED for Obama!!! That is the same Obama that bowed to the Saudi's and brought Netanyahu through the servant's entrance in the White House. Israel owns the media?....Please.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 05, 2013 12:33 PM  

Agreed that Israel needs to turn to Jehovah. However, I want the blessing of God on my nation for helping out Israel.

Anonymous Josh May 05, 2013 12:35 PM  

Are you implying Israel owns big media? Can you provide a reference or two on your assertion? There might be nominal Jews that are CEO's or sit on the board...that doesn't make them pro-Israel. Can you provide one reference where a significant member of the media in the last 7 years that has come out publicly for Israel?

Half of the Atlantic 50, the list of the most influential media pundits, is Jewish.

http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-atlantic-50-pundit-demographics

Anonymous Paul Durow May 05, 2013 12:37 PM  

"The problem with democracies is that although they do tend to wage less war, the wars they wage tend to be of the "total" variety."

Hoffman Nickerson, Democracy and Mass Massacre, The American Mercury, April 1932.

Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 12:42 PM  

@scoobius

Well, at least American Jews are solidly loyal to the United-- no, that's not it.

Remind me again why we are allies with these people. (I use the word "people" for convenience, as a term of art.)

Forget the Iranians and the Palestinians, why haven't WE nuked these cocksuckers three weeks ago?


Here scoobius, these should cheer you up.

Always keep hoping my brother.

(Image was taken from google maps, of Coronado Amphibious Naval base.)

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 12:50 PM  

"Remind me again why we are allies with these people. (I use the word "people" for convenience, as a term of art.)

Forget the Iranians and the Palestinians, why haven't WE nuked these cocksuckers three weeks ago?" Scoobius Dubious

So you won't be giving to B'nai Brith again this year scoobie?

Israel has had a continued presence in the area for at least 3000 years but then in 1948 Arab (read Moslem) nations attacked them because the International Community codified their existence.

But that is history. Right now Moslems are a cancer that is spreading throughout the region as well as the world and the country that has held them in check is Israel. Israel is our ally and helps us fight that cancer. It is that simple. Of course it is about oil but you can't see a qualitative difference between Egypt or Iran or Iraq and Israel? Really? They have made the desert bloom and become rich WITHOUT OIL through hard work and ingenuity and the scum that surround them want to kill them all off. That is reason enough for me. Sorry you don't agree.

Anonymous Josh May 05, 2013 12:56 PM  

Hey original George, why did our allies attack the uss liberty?

Anonymous Josh May 05, 2013 12:58 PM  

However, I want the blessing of God on my nation for helping out Israel.

Well that's just poor theology. What exactly is your biblical basis for this misguided belief?

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 12:59 PM  

""Are you implying Israel owns big media? Can you provide a reference or two on your assertion? There might be nominal Jews that are CEO's or sit on the board...that doesn't make them pro-Israel. Can you provide one reference where a significant member of the media in the last 7 years that has come out publicly for Israel?

Half of the Atlantic 50, the list of the most influential media pundits, is Jewish.

http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-atlantic-50-pundit-demographics"

So what? 69% of Jews voted for Obama. That does not make them PRO ISRAEL Josh. Most of them are pro-Israel like Judas Iscariot was a pro-Christian. Sorry but the simplistic image of Jews counting their gelt in a green shade visor doesn't work. Try again. The media is in the tank for the Saudi powers that are greasing their greedy stinking little rat paws. I would call most of those "JEWS" as attendees of the Synagogue of Satan.

Anonymous Josh May 05, 2013 1:03 PM  

So what? 69% of Jews voted for Obama. That does not make them PRO ISRAEL Josh.

So you're shifting goalposts from Jewish media to all Jews? Furthermore, it's a false dichotomy that voting for Obama makes one anti Israel. Obama certainly isn't an enemy of Israel. We're still giving them money and giving them political cover in the UN security council. What has Obama done that makes him anti Israel?

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 1:09 PM  

"Hey original George, why did our allies attack the uss liberty?" - Josh

Weak ...very weak Josh. It was a MISTAKE. A MISTAKE they have paid for Josh. A MISTAKE.

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$21.9 million in 2013) as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to the Liberty itself plus 13 years' interest.[7] Wiki

A MISTAKE JOSH...by a friendly country that messed up. They are not perfect they have assholes in the top of government similar to the assholes we have in the State Department and entrenched in our government. I wish our other allies had have the heart and brains of Israel.

So that is it? When are you going to let it go Josh? It has been 35 years now and they paid so ...

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 1:18 PM  

So what? 69% of Jews voted for Obama. That does not make them PRO ISRAEL Josh.

Really Josh? YOU are the one that cited the "Jewishness" of the media arguing that makes them Pro-Israel...So I came back with the only statistic I can find because ballots are cast in private so we don't really know. Do we? so nice try..

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Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 1:26 PM  

@Josh

Those same media outlets regularly bash Israel. If these people were as loyal as you claim to Israel, then they wouldn't constantly be pushing suicidal policies down Israel's throat. The answer is simpler. Most of us are ignorant and just follow the herd, a small portion are good, and a small portion are evil. What you see are the ignorant and the evil who made it to the top of companies that are themselves evil. Monsanto for example is pretty evil, and there are no Jews at the top there yet. I am sure eventually some cretin will find his way on to the to of that board and congratulate himself for earning the hatred of half the planet.

I am going to explain something to you, and this is going to be a bit tough to accept. The Israelis only do what you tell them. They always only do what you tell them. They are somewhat demented about their "loving" brother across the sea because in their adorable naivety they actually think you love them. They only thing they want is to be Americans. They practice English constantly because no where on earth is better than America. They think you will save them.

They stop wars when you tell them even when they are 60km from the enemies capital, they hand back land when you tell them (Sinai was handed back twice), they put their troops in dangerous positions because you tell them (it is an open secret that they did not strike first in the Yom Kippur war because they were told not to.). They accept insane "peace" agreements that threaten to annihilate the entire country, again, because you tell them to. They assassinate who you tell them and they go into whatever deals you ask them to. They accept a US embassy that is so wired to access Israeli transmissions that I'm surprised it doesn't have a giant middle finger displayed on it's roof in tel aviv. Which is not the capital of Israel btw. So much for ZOG.

I am actually shocked that they blew up the Syrian convoy, because it shows someone at the top finally got desperate. This happens occasionally, usually when they finally wake up and realize the cavalry is never going to come over the hill and things are getting incredibly dangerous. My understanding this had a lot less to do with Assad and some missiles going to Hizbollah, then it was a message to Teheran.

Anonymous nick digger May 05, 2013 1:28 PM  

"I want the blessing of God on my nation for helping out Israel."

Yeah, that'll get Him to overlook your nation's sodomy, sacrifices to Molech, and other hijinx.

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 1:37 PM  

"Obama certainly isn't an enemy of Israel. We're still giving them money and giving them political cover in the UN security council. What has Obama done that makes him anti Israel?" - Josh

In a region of the world heavily reliant on communicating in subtext and symbolism Obama has time after time insulted Israel. 10 Insults...

Anonymous nick digger May 05, 2013 1:41 PM  

"When are you going to let it go Josh? It has been 35 years now and they paid so ..."

Why should he, or any other American, "let it go"? Germany, and every Western country that bore no guilt, has apologized, gnashed their teeth, rubbed ashes in their hair & made reparation payments for the Holocaust, but you don't see Jews letting it go. They're still hunting the globe for phantom 98-year old boogeymen who may have resembled a gruel server at some prison camp 70 years ago.

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 2:16 PM  

""When are you going to let it go Josh? It has been 35 years now and they paid so ..."

Why should he, or any other American, "let it go"? (sic)"

You are comparing the USS Liberty to the Holocaust? They paid reparations and apologized but you keep anything in your little sh*t bag you want. You don't have to answer to me in the long run. I forgive because I am Christian...

I don't hold grudges...see my mother huddled in a bomb shelter night after night in Germany while they bombed (sometimes fire-bombed) the surrounding neighborhoods. My father (who served in Großdeutschland) was captured by the Americans while lying in a hospital bed in Berlin with a shattered knee. The first American soldier he ever met walked into his room, slapped him in the face and took his watch and wedding ring. My dad finished medical school after the war and was invited to practice in the USA. They immigrated to the United States in 1951, and several of the fellow doctors where he worked were Jewish and not all were friendly to a former German Soldier but surprisingly, most were kind. They obviously learned to forgive...and after Christ forgave me ...I have learned to forgive too. THAT is why I let it go ....

Anonymous Dan in Tx May 05, 2013 2:19 PM  

USS Liberty just a mistake huh? I guess the two Israeli pilots who refused to strafe the Liberty because they identified it as an American ship being court marshaled and thrown in prison upon their return to base was a mistake too eh? Oh and so help me, if I hear one more churchian claim that we have to die for Israel so God will bless us, I'm going to lose my lunch. Please, just stop. Or volunteer to go do the dying yourself, that will do.

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 2:37 PM  

"I hear one more churchian claim that we have to die for Israel so God will bless us, I'm going to lose my lunch. Please, just stop. Or volunteer to go do the dying yourself, that will do." - Dan in TX

Actually I have volunteered and almost did die. I was in the 3/319th FA of the 101st Airborne from 1972 to 1974 and during that time a little thing happened in the Middle East called the Yom Kippur War. We were on full alert for 4 days and once...we were so close to going to war against the Soviets that we sat loaded in our C-141 Starlifters on the tarmac in our parachutes for close to six hours. (Try taking a piss with a parachute on and 25 guys watching you.) At that time the IDF had the entire 3rd Egyptian Army surrounded and the Soviets told us if they did not stand down they were going in....So it would have been us and maybe parts of the 82nd (I don't really remember)...against the Soviets that had more Airborne divisions at that time then we had divisions. All our equipment was worn out because NOTHING had been replaced after the unit came back from Vietnam. Our guns were still pockmarked from NVA mortar rounds and our 45's were so worn out they rattled when you shook them. So yea...I have walked the walk while I talked the talk so Dan, I respect you but we must disagree on this point. Cheers.

Anonymous Dan in Tx May 05, 2013 2:46 PM  

Not to take away from you being where you were at the time, a question:
In hindsight, would it have been worth having a nuclear war with the Soviets over Israel?

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not necessarily anti-Israel. In all honesty, I could give two shits if they want to fight everyone in the region. What I do have a problem with is understanding exactly what our supposed most important ally ever does for us. I see us giving them billions of dollars when we're broke. I see us fighting multiple wars in the middle east on their behalf. I see our nation squandering any goodwill it had with the rest of the world because of our blind allegiance to Israel. So exactly what are we getting out of this deal?

Blogger Angry White Male May 05, 2013 3:21 PM  

"Not to take away from you being where you were at the time, a question:
In hindsight, would it have been worth having a nuclear war with the Soviets over Israel? " - Dan in TX

Hindsight is always 20-20. In context, we believed that if we did not defeat the Soviets vicariously in a proxy war...it would become a nuclear war in any event. Israel was only one piece on a global Chessboard. Believe me the power players at the time if they could, would have killed us all and drank Champagne from our skulls while they pissed on our graves. Do I trust Israel...? No. Do I think they are more of a friend than, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, China or even France? Yes...but then I could be wrong.
I don't trust ANY country anymore because to be honest with you ...I have lived in this one for a long time.

Anonymous Laramie Hirsch May 05, 2013 4:31 PM  

"Forget the Iranians and the Palestinians, why haven't WE [Jews] nuked these cocksuckers three weeks ago?"

Because we are not members of Hitler's Youth, that's why, Scoobs. Fucking nutjob.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 5:19 PM  

@Laramie "Heil Israel!" Hirsch:

"Because we are not members of Hitler's Youth, that's why, Scoobs. Fucking nutjob."

Oh, stop it already with the Hitler Youth and the Nazi-this and the Holocaust-that. Put a goddamn sock in it. Or I might start bringing up the Bolshevik Jew mass-murderers, who, in case you've forgotten, pre-date the Nazis, have a far higher body count, and invented the playbook. You've got an awful lot to answer for yourselves, before you start talking Hitler smack. Remember that, murderer.

Don't have much of an ear for rhetoric, do we? Or shall I take you at your word, and assume you're as obtuse and hate-filled as you indicate?

In case you've forgotten, this is a blog, not an address to the UN Security Council. Perhaps you've heard of Exaggerating To Make A Point.

I'll spell it out for you, moronstein: do I want Israel to be nuked? Of course not. Do I want ANYBODY to be nuked? Of course not. Do I want anybody on this planet, Jewish or not, to be harmed, for any reason? Of course not.

So why did I say something so inflammatory? You mean you really can't figure it out?

If somebody as philosemitic as I am is now saying such nutty things, even in jest, well then that's a barometer, that's an indicator, that's a canary in a coal mine, of just how far over the fucking line you fucking fucks have stepped. Instead of recoiling and squealing "anti-semitic nutjob!" you might do well to ask yourself: hey, what if the guy has a point? What if we really ought to re-examine the...

But you won't, of course. Hey man, I own a pair of opera glasses just like the next guy.

Anonymous E. PERLINE May 05, 2013 5:54 PM  

Some of my associates are -for whatever reason- anti-semitic, and they have a right to be if they wish. But to claim the state of Israel is "costly?" Even our First Resident Muzlim is afraid to loosen his grip on such a cheap security bargain.

Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 6:23 PM  

@scoobius

'll spell it out for you, moronstein: do I want Israel to be nuked? Of course not.

I guess it was the other scoobius that wrote this then:

Forget the Iranians and the Palestinians, why haven't WE nuked these cocksuckers three weeks ago?

Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 6:25 PM  

Just to be clear. Im calling you a liar.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 6:27 PM  

@Some dude

"Im calling you a liar."

That's okay, man. I'm calling you an idiot.

Anonymous Discard May 05, 2013 7:34 PM  

Original George: No, you didn't almost die. You were placed on alert status. At the same time that you were sitting on a C-141, we were painting our tanks in desert camouflage. I didn't almost die either.

Blogger Ron May 05, 2013 7:35 PM  

@scoobius

Thats right, I am a man and an idiot. There is very little I understand, and i frequently get it wrong. But I am also honest.

You however, are clearly dishonest. And dishonest people are usually gutless as well. Two qualities I dont suffer from, thank G-d.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 8:54 PM  

@Some dude

"Two qualities I dont suffer from, thank G-d."

I am stupid, hear me roar.
Like the same old shit before.

Hey whatever, man.


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One
Of those baggy pants,
Chuck the hills, it was huge.
So if you see one of those baggy pants,
Chuck the hills! It was huge!
And,
If you know it was a violin to be,
Answer the telephone!
And, if anyone asks you please,
It was trees.
It it it it it it it it IS like that.
Mister Bojangles, Mister Bojangles,
Mr. Bojangles, I reach you.
The SCARF of where, in black and white.
This about the things on the table.
So if you see one of those baggy pants,
Chuck the hills, it was huge.
And if anyone asks you please,
It was trees. It it it it it is LIKE that.
Mr. Bojangles, I reach you.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 05, 2013 9:08 PM  

@jerkoff:

"There is very little I understand, and i frequently get it wrong. But I am also honest. You however, are clearly dishonest."

You just finished telling me you don't understand much (which I'm certainly willing to credit, on the evidence), and that you "frequently get it wrong." Which I'll also credit. Then you mysteriously claim, with perfect clarity, that I am "clearly dishonest".

So... how do you know you didn't get that one wrong? How do you know you didn't fail to understand? Statistics, by your own admission, seem to be on the other guy's side.

You just want whatever it is you want, as leftists always do.

Yawn.



Anonymous Eric Ashley May 05, 2013 9:10 PM  

Take a look at Genesis 12:3, and see what you see.

And Nick, maybe our support for Israel is the ten righteous men in Sodom.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 05, 2013 10:01 PM  

The modern secular state of Israel ain't got !@#$ to do with Genesis 12:3.

Anonymous The Jew May 05, 2013 10:08 PM  

" Instead of recoiling and squealing "anti-semitic nutjob!" you might do well to ask yourself: hey, what if the guy has a point? What if we really ought to re-examine the..."

What makes you think I or anyone else hasn't asked if you have a point. But the think is, in evaluating what you said, we all realize that you of course do have a point. It's just a terribly bad, anti-semitic point born of ignorance and hatred.

What would you have jews reexamine? Their Jewishness? Their history of having to watch out closely for murderous nutjobs like you? Neither of those things are going to happen because Jews tend to be rational.

Anonymous The Jew May 05, 2013 10:12 PM  

"I see our nation squandering any goodwill it had with the rest of the world because of our blind allegiance to Israel. So exactly what are we getting out of this deal?"

If we believe that modern, functioning democracies with modern economies are good trading partners and pose less danger to the world, then they are worth allying with.

If we believe that the Jews deserve and have earned a state, they they are worth allying with.

If we believe that Israel is an ally that will come to our aid when necessary, then they are worth allying with.

Anonymous Hunsdon May 05, 2013 10:47 PM  

The Jew asked: What would you have jews reexamine?

Hunsdon: Their near monolithic commitment to remove Christianity from America, to destroy traditional American culture, to flood America with millions of third world refugees, to promote miscegenation as a positive good, to promote homosexuality as just another flavor of lovin' which is equal to if not better than one man, one woman, one marriage and many children, to disarm American citizens, to debase, devalue and destroy the American economy through the Fed and FIRE.

Get crackin' on those, and then get back to me. I've got more.

Oh, also, I don't really care for bagels.

Anonymous The Jew May 05, 2013 10:54 PM  

"Hunsdon: Their near monolithic commitment to remove Christianity from America, to destroy traditional American culture, to flood America with millions of third world refugees, to promote miscegenation as a positive good, to promote homosexuality as just another flavor of lovin' which is equal to if not better than one man, one woman, one marriage and many children, to disarm American citizens, to debase, devalue and destroy the American economy through the Fed and FIRE."

Yeah, but first you have to be able to show that these things are all the things Jews support. Get crack'in.

Anonymous Hunsdon May 05, 2013 11:36 PM  

The Jew said: Prove it! (More or less, and not a direct quote.)

Hunsdon said: Dear boy, I don't have to prove anything. I doubt, in fact, that I could provide proof that would satisfy you. Perhaps you could convince me that those are things that Jews don't support? I like to think I'm open to considering evidence I had overlooked. Otherwise, we shall simply have to agree to disagree.

Blogger Angry White Male May 06, 2013 1:30 AM  

Original George: No, you didn't almost die. You were placed on alert status. At the same time that you were sitting on a C-141, we were painting our tanks in desert camouflage. I didn't almost die either. - Discard

I was being dramatic for effect Discard. I got my point across. The point was we came dangerously close to engaging the Russians at a time we weren't prepared. So you were with the 82nd, Marines or what? Otherwise you are a REMF and no you were never at any risk at all at least not until most of the heavy lifting had already been done. The point was that I was prepared to give my life.. BTW some of my best friends were legs. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Anonymous Athor Pel May 06, 2013 9:52 AM  

"Eric Ashley May 05, 2013 12:33 PM

Agreed that Israel needs to turn to Jehovah. However, I want the blessing of God on my nation for helping out Israel."



Did you not read those verses? The message is pretty emphatic. God is Israel's shepherd, it is His nation to do with as He wills. If they won't follow Him then it is only a matter of time before He finds someone else to be a shepherd to. If they follow a different shepherd then they aren't much good to Him.

This same message applies to every Christian as well. If you aren't following Him then you aren't much good to Him.


Every time I write a comment like this I convict myself. It's part of the reason I write them so seldom.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 07, 2013 12:05 AM  

Um...you are aware that modern Israel is formed of Jews, right?

Athor, I'm not sure how you get what you wrote from that passage.

This is pretty close to 2+2=4.

And I will bless them that blesseth thee, and curse him that curseth thee.

Anonymous Surly May 07, 2013 9:54 PM  

Interesting that some can take a promise made to Abraham and generalize it to all Jews, for all time. I also seem to remember something in the Scriptures along the lines of "they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants".

Anonymous Athor Pel May 08, 2013 10:37 AM  

"Eric Ashley May 07, 2013 12:05 AM

Um...you are aware that modern Israel is formed of Jews, right?

Athor, I'm not sure how you get what you wrote from that passage.

This is pretty close to 2+2=4.

And I will bless them that blesseth thee, and curse him that curseth thee. "




The nation of Israel/Judah was finally destroyed by the Babylonians. It happened because they, the Jews, children of Abraham, whatever you want to call them, rejected their God and chose to follow another, and they chose to seek their own salvation by relying on earthly force of arms alone.

In the generations leading up to the final conquest of Judah and its capital Jerusalem the kings of Judah were repeatedly punished for seeking to ally with one or more neighboring kings in order to stave off or protect themselves from some other nation(s). The punishment took many forms, main examples being epidemics, famine and war.

It's all right there in multiple books of the Old Testament, the whole sordid story. The principles are clear. These Judaic kings sought the protection of men instead of the protection of God. They and their people died for it. Modern Israel is doing the same thing today by relying on America to assure its protection.

Yes, the Lord will bless those that bless those that belong to Him. But you don't belong to Him unless you follow Him. Just because your momma was an ethnic Jew means nothing in this regard. Unless you consciously choose to follow God then He will not protect you and the promise to Abraham will not be transferred to you.


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