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Wednesday, August 28, 2013

"The Battle of the Sexes" was fixed

This revelation makes the famous tennis match an apt metaphor for the intellectual and scientific fraud that is called "sexual equality":
WHEN HAL SHAW heard the voices at the Palma Ceia Golf and Country Club in Tampa, Fla., on a winter night some 40 years ago, he turned off the bench light over his work table and locked the bag room door. He feared burglars. Who else would be approaching the pro shop long after midnight? Then Shaw, who was there late rushing to repair members' golf clubs for the next day's tournament, heard the pro shop's front door unlock and swing open.

Peering through a diamond-shaped window, Shaw, then a 39-year-old assistant golf pro, watched four sharply dressed men stroll into the pro shop. He says he instantly recognized three of them: Frank Ragano, a Palma Ceia member and mob attorney whose wife took golf lessons from Shaw, and two others he knew from newspaper photographs -- Santo Trafficante Jr., the Florida mob boss whom Ragano represented, and Carlos Marcello, the head of the New Orleans mob. Trafficante and Marcello, now deceased, were among the most infamous mafia leaders in America; Marcello would later confide to an FBI informant that he had ordered the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A fourth man, whom Shaw says he didn't recognize, joined them.

The Palma Ceia Golf and Country Club in Tampa, Fla., is where assistant golf pro Hal Shaw says he overheard mobsters planning a match fix nine months before "The Battle of the Sexes." Courtesy Hal Shaw

Shaw's workroom was about 20 feet from the men, who sat at a circular table. Through the window to the darkened bag room door, he could see them, but they couldn't see him. Shaw says he was "petrified" as he tried to remain completely still, worrying that the men would find him lurking there. Then Shaw heard something he'd keep secret for the next 40 years: Bobby Riggs owed the gangsters more than $100,000 from lost sports bets, and he had a plan to pay it back.

Shaw, now 79, told the story of what he saw and heard that Tampa night to a friend late last year for the first time. This spring, he told it to "Outside the Lines."

The men, Shaw says, used an array of nicknames for Riggs -- "Riggsy," "BB," "Bobby Bolita." Ragano told the men that "Riggsy" was prepared to "set up two matches … against the two best women players in the world," Shaw says. "He mentioned Margaret Court -- and it's easy for me to remember that because one of my aunt's names was Margaret so that, you know, wasn't hard to remember -- and the second lady was Billie Jean King."

Ragano explained that Riggs "had the first match already in the works … and the second match he knew would follow because of Billie Jean King's popularity and everything that it would be kind of a slam dunk to get her to play him bragging about beating Margaret Court," Shaw says Ragano told the men. Shaw also says he heard Ragano mention an unidentified mob man in Chicago who would help engineer the proposed fix.

"Mr. Ragano was emphatic," Shaw recalls. "Riggs had assured him that the fix would be in -- he would beat Margaret Court and then he would go in the tank" against King, but Riggs pledged he'd "make it appear that it was on the up and up."
Having played tennis at a very good school that won the state championship my senior year, (NB: I wasn't part of that team, having switched from tennis to track the year before), I always assumed that Bobby Riggs loss to Billie Jean King was fake. I never imagined, however, that the whole situation was one big fix.  It never made any sense that the guy who crushed the world number one, a player who won twice as many Grand Slams as King, could somehow lose in straight sets to a lesser player no matter how "out of shape" he'd gotten in the intervening four months.

This should help you understand that equality isn't merely a myth, it is a fraudulent myth that is pushed dishonestly by those with a vested material interest in it.

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Anonymous NateM August 28, 2013 1:13 PM  

He was smart in how he dumped. Even he realized if he sandbagged it'd be obvious, so he didn't play competitive tennis or exercise for 2 months, as well as boozing and broading. It took an edge off his game but still seemed obvious in his service. I think the shock described was regarding how bad he'd made himself. BJK says she thinks it was legit, but of course she wants to believe that.

Anonymous Anon. August 28, 2013 1:15 PM  

…it is a fraudulent myth that is pushed dishonestly by those with a vested material interest in it.
 
The mob???

Anonymous Porky August 28, 2013 1:15 PM  

Ha!

Remember when Karsten Braasch humiliated both Williams sisters in their so-called "Battle of the Sexes"?

Anonymous Move Zig August 28, 2013 1:17 PM  

Count on MSM to declare this man, Hal Shaw, a liar and will be sending armies of microscopes up his ass.

Anonymous T August 28, 2013 1:22 PM  

"I always assumed that Bobby Riggs loss to Billie Jean King was fake"

Pro wrestling .... isn't real?

Anonymous Van August 28, 2013 1:23 PM  

I'm sure you're familiar with the real story of Amilia Earhart.

Anonymous Move Zig August 28, 2013 1:27 PM  

Do tell, Van.

Anonymous GreyS August 28, 2013 1:28 PM  

I always figured it was fake-- Riggs was playing it up way too much. And it wouldn't surprise me to find out the mob was involved. But...

So the mobsters who set it all up decide to have a 1 am meeting at the local course pro shop? They didn't want to wake the kids at one of their houses? The bars they own were closed that night? The restaurants they run were out of scallopini so they just drove around til they found a good place to meet?

Probably the course was run by the mob and he saw plenty of those guys around in those days. Guessing the old guy's story has grown into it's current state over these fifty years.

Anonymous T August 28, 2013 1:28 PM  

Krusty's Accountant: Let me get this straight. You took all the money you made franchising your name and bet it *against* the Harlem Globetrotters?

Krusty the Clown: [miserable] Oh, I thought the Generals were due!

[watches the game on TV]

Krusty the Clown: He's spinning the ball on his finger! Just take it! Take it!

[the Globetrotters score]

Krusty the Clown: That game was fixed! They were using a freakin' ladder, for God's sake!

Anonymous Salt August 28, 2013 1:29 PM  

Got to hand it to Riggs though. What a way to use the feminist to get out from under to the mob. Women should be so ashamed, being taken for a ride like that.

Anonymous Jonathan August 28, 2013 1:30 PM  

Amelia Earhatrt couldn't have been a woman. A woman would've stopped to ask for directions.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 28, 2013 1:34 PM  

I'm sure you're familiar with the real story of Amilia Earhart

Nazi SAM?

Blogger JCclimber August 28, 2013 1:35 PM  

Any time a woman wants to go down the "equality" route with me, ask them if they think the women should just play against the men, straight up.

As for Riggs/King, it is very interesting that I had never even heard about the previous match with Court. Which makes this King victory seem even less probable. Explaining why it is rarely mentioned.

I see that like all feminists, Billie Jean King's hamster has been receiving racehorse levels of steroids and growth hormone.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2013 1:36 PM  

…it is a fraudulent myth that is pushed dishonestly by those with a vested material interest in it.

The mob???


Sort of. They certainly had a vested material interest in nobody looking too closely at the Riggs-King match. So did that follks who pushed Title IX and other feminist laws. A fixed match, that's nothing too terribly unusual. Turning it into a cultural icon while ignoring the fix, that's the mythmaking part.


BTW, speaking of fiesty, independant women, an artile on a wolf attacking a 16 year old in Minnesota has an unintentionally hillarious line:

Noah Graham of Solway was camping on Lake Winnibigoshish with five friends last weekend... he was talking with his girlfriend just before the animal chomped the back of his head early Saturday...Graham said the attack came without warning.

"There was no sound at all. Didn't hear it. It was just all of a sudden there," he said.

Graham's girlfriend fled to her Jeep, while two other members of the camping party slept through all the screaming, kicking and fighting, he said.


Fled to her Jeep. The guy sounds tough enough though. Ran the wolf off, even without any help from his girlfriend or his other (too drunk to wake up?) friends.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/27/16-year-old-survives-first-ever-documented-serious-wolf-attack-in-minnesota/





Anonymous Retrenched August 28, 2013 1:37 PM  

Next you'll tell us that Hulk Hogan didn't really pin Andre the Giant at Wrestlemania.

But the NBA Finals were real, right?

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2013 1:38 PM  

Amelia Earhatrt couldn't have been a woman. A woman would've stopped to ask for directions.

Maybe she did. That might have been her problem. Not everybody you ask directions of gives you a good answer.

Blogger JCclimber August 28, 2013 1:41 PM  

Interesting story told to me this morning by my carpool passenger. Her good friend works as a defense attorney for the state, representing death row inmates in Kalifornia.

She reports that he tells her how mystified he is (and she is equally mystified) how all the highly educated women attorneys working with him....well.
Let's just say they get to know the entire life story of the death row inmates, these guys are pretty sad, they are not successful in life.

Yet all these empowered feminists are completely gaga in love with at least one of the inmates. My car pool passenger (a former lawyer herself) is completely mystified.

I smiled because it is no longer a mystery to me.

Blogger L. Beau August 28, 2013 1:49 PM  

"I would never let a woman kick my ass. If she tried something, I'd be like, 'Hey! Get your bitch ass back in the kitchen, and make me some pie!' " - Eric Cartman, "South Park"

Anonymous Musashi August 28, 2013 1:51 PM  

I remember watching that match. Everything is a lie.

Anonymous Noah B. August 28, 2013 1:52 PM  

Of course it was fake. Think about it: John Candy mud-wrestled, what, six women and made it look easy.

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 28, 2013 1:53 PM  

Of course you knew Vox, being that you work for the Sicilian Mafia. Your whole story is a cover. Let's see: leaves the US 15 years ago and is in the video game/mouse industry and writes books that feature the historical roman empire. You have to be Fred Backer to make this stuff up.

What's your real name, Vox or Theo? Is it Vinny?

Blogger JartStar August 28, 2013 1:58 PM  

It's still real to me dammit!

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 2:02 PM  

Jonathan August 28, 2013 1:30 PM
Amelia Earhatrt couldn't have been a woman. A woman would've stopped to ask for directions.



no, a woman would tell the man to stop to ask for directions.

only problem being, there's nobody to ask in the middle of the Pacific.


Move Zig August 28, 2013 1:27 PM
Do tell, Van.



Amelia was grossly incompetent in most aspects of flying. but her disappearance was due to her particular ignorance in how to fly a basic navigational search, a skill known to sailors since antiquity.

in short, locating accurate Latitude ( north / south ) is simplicity itself ... so long as you can sight the sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner%27s_astrolabe

Longitude ( east / west ) is much, MUCH more complex because of relative changes in wind speed, current speed, determining your own relative speed of motion, length of time moving, etc.

if you are not certain of your location OR IF YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND A SMALL ISLAND IN A LARGE OCEAN, is what you do is, you shoot early for the correct Latitude and then fly along the Lat ( in her case, east ) until you cross your target.

she didn't do that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart#1937_world_flight
We are running on line north and south ."

the astute will note another obvious problem with the 'search pattern' noted above ... you aren't going find anything if you continue to go back and forth IN A LINE over the same piece of open ocean you've just flown over six times. it doesn't even matter which direction you're going. "hey, this stretch of ocean was open water 10 minutes ago. yep, still nothing but waves."

it doesn't help any that Amelia didn't know how to operate her Bendix ( "Some sources have noted Earhart's apparent lack of understanding of her Bendix direction-finding loop antenna" ) or that they cut the long wire antenna off of the plane 'due to the annoyance of having to crank it back into the aircraft after each use'.

that's just stupidity beyond belief. if you don't like cranking the antenna IN, don't play the antenna OUT unless you're in a life and death situation. if you physically REMOVE the tool from the aircraft you CAN'T use that tool to save your life when, you know, you HAVE to have it.

Anonymous Van August 28, 2013 2:11 PM  

Mando does a good job here, I'll just add:

She didn't actually pilot many of her earlier flights. She was the (unneeded) co-pilot who would hop off the plane for photo ops.

Blogger tz August 28, 2013 2:15 PM  

The world is one big Milgram experiment. Everything, every day ends up having someone who looks important, and despite the pitchfork, horns, cloven hoof, and tail, when he assures us it is OK to press the button each time as something innocent loses its innocence, becomes sinful, then gravely evil. And most keep pressing the button. And even celebrate our 100% good citizenship compliance award. Everyone has one or two things they will refuse, but few outside places like here will always pause and think "what the hell do you want me to do?". And if it isn't clear, I mean "hell" literally.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 2:19 PM  

I got my first professional tennis lessons when I was 8 years old. Some local pros that ran a facility saw me and gave me a scholarship to come be coached for free.

I made my high school tennis team when I was in the 7th grade. I've played in multiple state tourneys in both kentucky and Tennessee.

I stopped focusing on tennis and switched to drums in highschool but I stayed on the team and always did very very well.

I've followed pro tennis obsessively since 1984 and I only stopped paying attention a few years ago when it lost all personality.

the notion that this match wasn't fixed is utterly laughable. All you have to do is watch 30 seconds of a mixed doubles match.

Anonymous Stickwick August 28, 2013 2:21 PM  

My husband and I like to watch the American Ninja Warrior competition, 'cuz you get to see some great athleticism. But for some dingbat reason, they let women into the final even though not a single one of them even came close to passing the qualifier. Nevertheless, it makes for great entertainment. All of the female competitors except for one failed spectacularly on one of the first two obstacles (out of 10); the exception failed on the third, and it was so comical that even the ostensibly supportive male competitors and announcers were trying not to laugh. This is all well and good, because it destroys the myth that men and women are physically equal. Still, if they wanted to realistically encourage female competition instead of setting them up to embarrass themselves, they'd follow the Japanese and separate the male and female competitions.

Blogger El Borak August 28, 2013 2:21 PM  

Having played in the girls' league in high school, the feminist dogma epitomized in Rigg/King never rang true. Even if it wasn't fixed, there's a strange contradiction in the sentence "Men and women are equal because one woman beat one man one time."

Anonymous Porky August 28, 2013 2:32 PM  

Is there any female sports personality more odious than BJK?

Anonymous Josh August 28, 2013 2:41 PM  

Is there any female sports personality more odious than BJK?

Peter King?

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 2:44 PM  

i will also tell my favorite girls vs boys pro tennis story. As to the veracity of the story... I actually read a version of it in a tennis magazine several years ago... but the details were different. The version I tell is the version told to me by a form ATP tour pro who at one time was actually a top 15 player. He never won any majors... but he had a great career anyway.

So one day a pro was in the ATP tour offices talking to the president of the organization. In walks one of the Williams sisters. She blows right past the man and starts demanding a spot in the mens draw at the US Open. The president apparently said there with a blank expression until she finished her pitch. Her reasoning was... she was the best woman in the world... and she could beat the 100th ranked male in straight sets so why shouldn't she be allowed to play with the boys.

As luck would have it... the tour pro that she had just interrupted was ranked in the 1teens at the time. He cut in and suggested that he and ms williams should go hit a few balls and if she could beat him she could have his spot in the Open.

She agreed. The president, having not actually agreed to any of this, let them leave and was likely thankful to have them gone.

On the court... Ms Williams hit, by her standards, a very good first serve... which the ATP pro easily slapped down the line for a winner. This happened 3 more times for a clean break of serve.

He then aced Ms Williams 3 times in a row and at 0-1 40-love... she walked off the court in a huff.

Did this actually happen? I have no idea. I just now I've seen a slightly altered version in print... and the pro involved told me the story himself first hand after we hit some balls at a charity event.

Anonymous Van August 28, 2013 2:47 PM  

The match wasn't fixed, the playing field was leveled because tennis has a disparate impact on women. In a related story, all whites have been ordered to show up at the nearest DoJ office, where they will be repeatedly hit in the head with large rocks, injected with STDs, and given three black orphans to take care of.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 2:54 PM  

i will also tell my favorite girls vs boys pro tennis story. As to the veracity of the story... I actually read a version of it in a tennis magazine several years ago... but the details were different. The version I tell is the version told to me by a form ATP tour pro who at one time was actually a top 15 player. He never won any majors... but he had a great career anyway.

So one day a pro was in the ATP tour offices talking to the president of the organization. In walks one of the Williams sisters. She blows right past the man and starts demanding a spot in the mens draw at the US Open. The president apparently said there with a blank expression until she finished her pitch. Her reasoning was... she was the best woman in the world... and she could beat the 100th ranked male in straight sets so why shouldn't she be allowed to play with the boys.

As luck would have it... the tour pro that she had just interrupted was ranked in the 1teens at the time. He cut in and suggested that he and ms williams should go hit a few balls and if she could beat him she could have his spot in the Open.

She agreed. The president, having not actually agreed to any of this, let them leave and was likely thankful to have them gone.

On the court... Ms Williams hit, by her standards, a very good first serve... which the ATP pro easily slapped down the line for a winner. This happened 3 more times for a clean break of serve.

He then aced Ms Williams 3 times in a row and at 0-1 40-love... she walked off the court in a huff.

Did this actually happen? I have no idea. I just now I've seen a slightly altered version in print... and the pro involved told me the story himself first hand after we hit some balls at a charity event.

Anonymous Zartan August 28, 2013 2:57 PM  

@jack Amok

She didn't. She often disagreed with the ground crews on maintenance. The book "Winged Legend" has some unintentionally funny quotes and passages about her incompetence.

Anonymous HardReturn¶ August 28, 2013 2:59 PM  

I want to believe this happened at Palma Ceia back then, a few years before I became familiar with the place. Don't know about mob presence there back then. I just remember persnickety society ladies in the club restaurant bellyaching about imperfections, and wearing blazer from cloak room if I forgot mine. Last round of golf I ever played with my dad was there, in brutal July heat and humidity.
The "Battle of the Sexes" was part of that era of '70s cheesy sporting events like the "Rumble in the Jungle." Back then I think many folks suspected it was just another semi-manufactured amusement with wagering at its core.

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Anonymous Thales August 28, 2013 3:05 PM  

I get to see BJK every year at a VIP fundraiser: an annual full-boat scholarship to her alma mater named after BJK herself presented to two lucky Diverse tennis playing girls. It's a fancy dinner where the Cathedral pats itself on the back with fancy awards. Maybe I should bring this article up next time? I wonder what BJK would have to say...

Blogger meerkat August 28, 2013 3:06 PM  

listen to her recent interview when a documentary was released about this 'momentous' event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APf-nEEWrjQ

as a woman, i would much rather watch men's tennis at the highest level than ladies tennis. she says that aligning the WTA and the ATP together, they achieved equality in tennis, when in reality they have women earning the same as men for doing a lot less physically and entertainment wise. some of her motives may have been commendable such as wanting equal budgets for boys and girls sports in schools, but somehow you always feel that this whole thing is a feminism stunt. really annoyed me hearing the interview but you cant expect any critical questioning to come from the bbc.

Blogger meerkat August 28, 2013 3:08 PM  

re. the williams comment above, i have read an interview with serena williams where they asked her the same about playing a man and specifically andy murray. her response was that she did not think she would win at all and would be lucky to win even one game.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 3:09 PM  

Why didn't this guy spill the beans back when it would have made a difference? He could have stayed anonymous, sending letters to newspapers and other news outlets naming names and the details of what he'd overheard.

No way I'd have sat on that and not made some attempt to expose that ridiculous fraud.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 3:13 PM  

"her response was that she did not think she would win at all and would be lucky to win even one game."

perhaps she was speaking from experience?

Anonymous Noah B. August 28, 2013 3:33 PM  

OT, but it's going to be really ironic if Obama honors the 50th anniversary of Dr. King's "Dream" speech by attacking Syria.

Anonymous physphilmusic August 28, 2013 3:35 PM  

Nate, you were probably referring to the Williams' matches against Karsten Braasch?

http://observer.theguardian.com/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

Anonymous Krul August 28, 2013 3:38 PM  

I know nothing about tennis, nor have I ever cared about this famous match, or any match for that matter. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it turns out the match was rigged.

However, this story raises some flags. How do we know it's not made up?

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 28, 2013 3:45 PM  

Why didn't this guy spill the beans back when it would have made a difference? He could have stayed anonymous, sending letters to newspapers and other news outlets naming names and the details of what he'd overheard.

No way I'd have sat on that and not made some attempt to expose that ridiculous fraud.


Because he wouldn't have been around to say it now. Capiche?

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 3:50 PM  

"Nate, you were probably referring to the Williams' matches against Karsten Braasch"

actually no... but that is the version I read in the tennis magazine.


Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 3:57 PM  

Because he wouldn't have been around to say it now. Capiche?

That point has not escaped me, thus the mention of anonymity. They had no idea he was standing there that night. But if he's too stupid to not have implicated himself as the source, then perhaps it's better that he didn't attempt it, but I don't think it would have been impossible for someone with a smidgen of grey matter to have exposed them.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 4:00 PM  

As for Riggs/King, it is very interesting that I had never even heard about the previous match with Court.

Yeah, I could buy that a 55-year-old man, well past his playing prime and badly out of shape, could lose to one of the best women players in the world. But when you read that he had beaten the women's #1 just months earlier, confusing her with lobs and taking two sets easily, it becomes a lot more suspicious. Riggs also made a big deal of acting embarrassed and heartbroken for hours after the match, which...again, just doesn't fit with a guy who had spent the last couple decades hustling on the road doing stuff like playing with a frying pan as a racquet.

According to the Wikipedia page on these matches, Serena admitted that she'd be lucky to win a single point against the #3 men's player. I suspect that the players themselves face each other often enough in practice, at least in mixed doubles, that they have few illusions about how an honest man/woman match between ranked peers would go.

Blogger Nate August 28, 2013 4:08 PM  

very few things are as discouraging as having the split second thrill of feeling that perfect... powerful first serve that went exactly where you wanted... turn to utter shock as it is easily slapped down the line for winner by a returned that honestly looks a little bored.

if you've ever felt that... you know why tennis is mentally the most brutal non-combat sport there is.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 4:10 PM  

Although, I can understand the difficulty in exposing a fraud in which there exists no one with the slightest interest in seeing it exposed. On the contrary, everyone who planned it, participated in it, were exploited by it, publicized it, and were witness to it, wanted the fraud to happen. Reality was fast losing its popularity even back then.

Anonymous dc August 28, 2013 4:15 PM  

O-T, but what a Target-Rich Environment:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28/detroit-teachers-moonlight-as-sugar-babies-to-offset-wage-cuts/

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 4:20 PM  

Anonagain August 28, 2013 3:57 PM
But if he's too stupid to not have implicated himself as the source



1 - the mobsters in question knew EXACTLY where and when they discussed this.

2 - the number of people with 'legitimate' access to this facility AT THAT HOUR would be very small. probably less than six. the number of people who would have had a reason to be there at that hour would be even less.

3 - even if he could lie his way out of any punishment the mobsters wanted to dish out, he'd still be exposing himself to a highly unpleasant interrogation ... and for what?

mobsters fix sporting events all the time.

Riggs had decimated the womens #1 ( Court beat King 3 out of 4 matches in 1973 ) just four months earlier.

anyone who knew the previous two facts and then watched Riggs lose in straight sets could easily extrapolate that, whether the fix was in or not, something was seriously wrong.

Blogger Scott August 28, 2013 4:23 PM  

While I strongly agree equality is a fraud. Well God given rights apply to all men equally, but beyond that, yes, Equality is and has always been a leftist political tool.

However, focusing on the tennis match is a joke on so many levels, we don't need it to be fixed or not to prove anything. We don't need to point to this instance and say, "see, it was fixed therefore equality is fixed." There is actual science that clearly demonstrates men and women (men of difference races) are overwhelmingly not equal physically, emotionally, chemically, etc.

Also, it was difficult to continue reading after "Marcello would later confide to an FBI informant that he had ordered the assassination of John F. Kennedy." Please.

Blogger JCclimber August 28, 2013 4:29 PM  

I also wondered about why this dude never came forward before now...
But then I remembered that back then, no one realized how much this one stupid stunt would be leveraged by the feminist agenda into Title IX, into a persistent meme that permeates the societies hamsters.

Plus he probably wanted to continue living with functional knees. I don't know how much difference it would have made. The MSM and feminism never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

And this was just about the best story they could have been handed. Chauvinistic jerk, makes a huge scene, huge publicity, famous sports announcer-then humiliating defeat. Crafted in the depths of hell...

Anonymous DrTorch August 28, 2013 4:32 PM  

O-T, but what a Target-Rich Environment:

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28/detroit-teachers-moonlight-as-sugar-babies-to-offset-wage-cuts/


Wasn't that the plot driver to 'Hung'?

Anonymous Ha August 28, 2013 4:32 PM  

OK, so let's have one tournament in which both genders compete, and let the chips fall where they may! Do the same for both golf and tennis! (And none of that "women's tees" crap in the golf tournament, either.)

Blogger JCclimber August 28, 2013 4:33 PM  

Ah Scott, there you go again thinking logically and stuff.

It's all about rhetoric and story, see?

And this one was a doozy. I knew by 4th grade that no girl could compete 1:1 with a boy on an equal playing field, so this story rang false to me by 1976. But to the women and the gammas who enable them, it didn't have to make sense.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 4:37 PM  

Scott August 28, 2013 4:23 PM
However, focusing on the tennis match is a joke on so many levels



refuting the BJ vs Riggs match is NOT a joke. it will NEVER BE a joke ... so long as the progs continue to use it as a propaganda piece.

until such day as BJ King is an object of derision for asserting equality of the sexes for beating a 55 year old man who was obviously sandbagging ... refuting it will be a worthwhile endeavor.

Blogger JCclimber August 28, 2013 4:38 PM  

“You can’t expect a teacher to accept less pay for more work than their peers, and then reach into their pockets to fund your child’s classroom,” Wade said in a statement. “But that’s what’s happening. If those are the expectations and pressures we are putting on our teachers in America, than they can’t possibly be judged for whatever extracurricular activities they choose to pursue to stay afloat.”

Yep. They can't POSSIBLY be judged for doing a little prostitution on the side. I'll make sure to let the Pastors, the uptight church ladies, and God know that it isn't possible to judge them.

Because raciss.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 4:39 PM  

Yeah, he would have written down in detail everything overhead that night. That's exactly how one would go about exposing the fraud. Apparently, a smidgen of grey matter is not so easy to come by.

Anonymous YIH August 28, 2013 4:41 PM  

Not even surprised, like pro wrestling it's isn't about sports, it was (is) about spectacle. Back then both were presented as legit - we now know pro wrestling is about as 'real' as Selnoth, and in both cases someone knows ahead of time how the 'story' is supposed to end (maybe not long term, but certainly short term)
That's why 'real' pro sports (like the NFL) take such a dim view of gambling, they have a major interest in keeping the game offically legit.
IOW if the Vikes QB folds it's not because he was paid to - just the opposite, he'd make more money sucking naturally.

Anonymous Porky August 28, 2013 4:45 PM  

I miss Andy Kaufman.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 4:45 PM  

if you've ever felt that... you know why tennis is mentally the most brutal non-combat sport there is.

I've never played, but I realized that when I watched my beloved Jana Novotna (yeah, I know she plays for the other team, but a boy has to have dreams) lose to Steffi Graf at Wimbledon in 1993. She had Graf completely beat after crushing her in the second set and going up 4-1 in the third, and then you could just see her freeze up as she realized she was about to win, and she barely hit another winner after that, losing in five straight games.

Obviously the physical side is important (or men wouldn't dominate women so completely), but the mental game is huge as long as the players are fairly well-matched, especially since the coach can't call a timeout and take them off somewhere to clear their head.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 4:48 PM  

refuting the BJ vs Riggs match is NOT a joke. it will NEVER BE a joke ... so long as the progs continue to use it as a propaganda piece.

Do they really do that? I guess I wouldn't put it past them, but even if Riggs didn't throw it, it's still a top player in her prime versus an out-of-shape 55-year-old, you know? So it proved...that women are just as good as men as long as the men are fat and old? Seems like it'd be hard to fit that on a bumper sticker.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 4:51 PM  

that women are just as good as men as long as the men are fat and old

and indebted to the mob for 100K

Blogger Bogey August 28, 2013 4:52 PM  

listen to her recent interview when a documentary was released about this 'momentous' event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APf-nEEWrjQ


She's really full of herself, but how does she feel today?

The legacy? Women in combat. Kick-ass females in sci-fi and fantasy, all because of a fucking a lie.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 4:53 PM  

old white guy says..... damn near everything is a fix these days. if not the oidiot would not be president. I have difficulty believing that so many Americans are that stupid.

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 4:58 PM  

All this time, I thought Bobby Riggs was into performance art and the inspiration for Andy Kaufman.

Seriously - I've always thought it was a brilliant joke, even when I was a kid - I remember the footage of him getting sloshed for the cameras and "celebrating" his dominance. He didn't have to call me a pencilnecked geek to let me know that shenanigans were about to ensue. I mean maybe an amped-up Serena-type could have legitimately scored on a drunk Riggs, but Billie Jean King was slow as hell.

A straight up fix makes more sense. Riggs was a showman, sure, but he was a famous hustler for decades. He made a mint beating scratch golfers...playing only with the 9-iron.

That is an awesome hustle. I'm impressed.

Remember when a washed up Connors destroyed Navratalova in straight sets even though...to make it fair Martina got to use the doubles court and they didn't let him serve?

Anonymous YIH August 28, 2013 4:59 PM  

@NateM:
BJK says she thinks it was legit, but of course she wants to believe that.
The Cincinnati Reds were probably just as surprised as everyone else was back then...

Blogger Bogey August 28, 2013 5:04 PM  

LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-R0qR_Q6Aw

Anonymous Shazbot August 28, 2013 5:06 PM  

John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl are both right around 55, and they would both absolutely destroy any of the top women in the game.

The thing that annoys me is that the women only have to play best our of three sets where the men have to win best out of five in the Majors. This is analogous to the men having to play an extra half of a tournament more than the women to get paid exactly the same amount of money. "Equality" is not truly equal in professional tennis.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 28, 2013 5:09 PM  

Shazbot,

Along those lines, I could think up some entertaining MMA/Boxing matchups.

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 5:13 PM  

I do wonder about the 100K. The prize money for the thing was 100K. Riggs probably retired on that gig. Even if he only had $50,000 to lay down on King, he would have profited $250,000 (I think odds were something like 5-1, and, knowing Bobby, I bet he found better ones than that).

However, I bet you he had the money to pay off the mob already in pocket. He just used that as an excuse to create a massive payoff.

What a great exit.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 5:33 PM  

Riggs probably retired on that gig. Even if he only had $50,000 to lay down on King, he would have profited $250,000

A man betting against himself in a sport in which he is entirely responsible for the outcome... I readily admit that I'm completely ignorant to the goings-on in the world of sports betting, but who would take that bet? And if he had someone else place the bet for him, he'd be setting himself up for blackmail.

Anonymous Porky August 28, 2013 5:38 PM  

BJK says she thinks it was legit

I doubt it. She named the pig "Larimore Hustle".

Inside joke?

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 5:49 PM  

A man betting against himself in a sport in which he is entirely responsible for the outcome... I readily admit that I'm completely ignorant to the goings-on in the world of sports betting, but who would take that bet? And if he had someone else place the bet for him, he'd be setting himself up for blackmail.

This is what it looks like when I shake my head, with an expression of condescension, mixed with compassion, on the internet.

It actually makes me hope for the future that such naivete still exists in a world as fallen as ours.

You do understand that point shavers don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, nor, typically, to break even?

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 5:53 PM  

who would take that bet?

The non-snotty answer is the bookmaker who will also make a fortune on the rigged outcome. Bobby's bet is the guarantee that he will ensure the outcome.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 5:53 PM  

Okay, I read the whole article, and I'm not really sure where you're getting "Conclusion: It was fixed!". It acknowledged a hot debate on the topic, presented the evidence that people gave for it being fixed, but by the ending seemed to lean towards the conclusion that it WASN'T fixed.

Maybe it was fixed, maybe it wasn't, but this article wasn't the most convincing thing in the world.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 5:54 PM  

You do understand that point shavers don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, nor, typically, to break even?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous Move Zig August 28, 2013 5:55 PM  

anonagain said: old white guy says..... damn near everything is a fix these days. if not the oidiot would not be president. I have difficulty believing that so many Americans are that stupid.

Why?

Anonymous Red Comet August 28, 2013 6:00 PM  

Dem sour grapes.

Personally I'm surprised they didn't do like normal and just pretend it never happened. But then again perhaps I just can't understand the feels that come from a good round of victim status mongering.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 28, 2013 6:02 PM  

cailcorishev: "Do they really do that? I guess I wouldn't put it past them, but even if Riggs didn't throw it, it's still a top player in her prime versus an out-of-shape 55-year-old, you know? So it proved...that women are just as good as men as long as the men are fat and old? Seems like it'd be hard to fit that on a bumper sticker."

That's only half the feminist message associated with that match. One half was "women can beat men". The other, more important, half was "traditional woman = loser, pro-abort feminist woman = winner".

Margaret Court was a very traditional, highly religious conservative woman, who just happened to be a really good middle distance runner in tennis-mad Australia, where "sports" was considered the healthiest, cleanest and most socially approved outlet for vigorous and spirited girls. She went into tennis and she was a beast at it.

Billie Jean King was and is a harsh feminist true believer who famously had an abortion simply because a baby did not suit her career at that time.

So feminists were highly invested in Billie Jean King beating the "bad" woman from their point of view.

Unfortunately, when it came to winning tennis titles, Margaret Court was twice as good. So endless tendentious articles were written, often by truckling male tennis journalists, to "prove" that King was better throughout the Court era. (For example, only Wimbledon finals should count, because grass is the true test of a champion, but not Australian grass. Etc..) And these were saved and re-read by feminist believers even years later. (Which is how I came to read a mass of such clippings.)

But it all wasn't satisfactory till the Riggs matches established the narrative. Traditional woman = choker / loser / doesn't have what it takes to beat a man / un-person. Billie Jean King: feminist winner.

That's a better message from a feminist point of view. It's not that any women can beat any man. Of course traditional women, who were still considered as serious rivals back then (because the could do anything as well as or better than feminists and were obviously more desirable as long term marriage prospects), shouldn't be able to do anything. They should be cabbage-brained losers.

Preferred message: It's feminism that like "the Force" enables you to vanquish masculinity and do and have whatever you want.

Margaret Court has never lived down the stain of having proved to be a choking loser in the most important match of her life, a match she could easily have won because Billie Jean King proved you can do it if you have the (feminist) heart. Billie Jean King has lived on her win, endlessly puffed by feminists and the gamma male tennis press.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 6:03 PM  

The non-snotty answer is the bookmaker who will also make a fortune on the rigged outcome. Bobby's bet is the guarantee that he will ensure the outcome.

Huh. That's one nasty little world there. I'm pleased to be ignorant of it.

Thanks for the response.

Blogger JohnG August 28, 2013 6:11 PM  

Hah! I found a Warrior Wench to add fuel to the "girls can swing a sword too" crowd.

I actually would like to see some Amazon type try to make a pro-football team (all on video). But I think most females are smarter than feminists and pols.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 6:14 PM  

Titus Didius, good explanation. I meant to add earlier: there's a second reason no one's heard of the first match, that being you're not likely to hear anything at all about Margaret Court in the mainstream or sports media these days, because she's an outspoken opponent of preferences for homosexuals. As you say, an un-person.

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 6:18 PM  

Benny Silman went to prison after getting caught in this sort of deal. He was paid 50Gs to throw some basketball games or shave points or something. How he got caught was that he had to enlist a couple of teammates to do it, since it is hard to do it on your own in a team game - anyway, by the fourth game, the guys were betting so heavily against themselves, that it tipped off Vegas in general that something stank - too much money, to much monkey business, easy for one of the links to crack.

Much easier to do it in the single-player sports - in the case of Riggs, he would have been the only one (besides the bookie, and probably an agent who acted as a plausible go-between) who knew, so his big payout on one side of the ledger would have been insignificant to the massive sucker bet that Vegas just reaped.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 28, 2013 6:18 PM  

cailcorishev, thanks, and we're on the same page.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 6:24 PM  

But placing a bet against oneself is not betting. It's declaring, "I'm a dirty rotten cheater. Do join me".

Markku sending me off into Leftistland the other night, and now this revelation. VP is not a place for the faint of heart.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 6:29 PM  

Benny Silman went to prison after getting caught in this sort of deal.

Good.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein August 28, 2013 6:48 PM  

A man betting against himself in a sport in which he is entirely responsible for the outcome... I readily admit that I'm completely ignorant to the goings-on in the world of sports betting, but who would take that bet? And if he had someone else place the bet for him, he'd be setting himself up for blackmail.

The mobsters made the bets, not Riggs. He gave them a sure thing, so they forgave the money he owed them.

It was said, back in the day, that a single bet by Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal could cause bookies to change their point spreads(on basketball games).

Anonymous Johnycomelately August 28, 2013 6:49 PM  

Ex Harvard Dean Lawrence H Summers speech on female apptitude distribution is constantly reaffirmed in women's tennis.

That's why major tournaments are consistently won by poorly ranked competitors which is very rare in the men's game.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 28, 2013 7:36 PM  

The non-snotty answer is the bookmaker who will also make a fortune on the rigged outcome. Bobby's bet is the guarantee that he will ensure the outcome.

I think you're missing the point. The monetary benefit to Riggs was being forgiven his debt to the Mob, and maybe they threw in a little payment on top. He didn't need to place any wagers.

Then of course there wer also the non-monetary benefit to consider...

Anonymous Outlaw X August 28, 2013 7:36 PM  

I watched it, Vox. I have commented before that he intentionally lost being a tennis fan back then. I didn't understand at the time why he took a dive, I do now, then later in life I thought it was just to further feminism and now I find the whole damn thing was about money. But what now is not anymore and why should I be surprised, thanks.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 7:42 PM  

Red Comet August 28, 2013 6:00 PM
Dem sour grapes.



Jizebel is valuable for one reason: the hamster is on full display.

http://jezebel.com/who-cares-if-bobby-riggs-let-billie-jean-king-win-1209229770
"It's through King's work since that the Battle of the Sexes has gained its cachet as a moment that mattered.
...
It's bizarre that for King, this ridiculous event was part of what it took to make people take her seriously ..."


SHE built her entire life and reputation around this 'non' event. Jizebel asserts that SHE and her promotional efforts are why anybody pays any attention to the match at all ... and then they ask why BJ King should have any need to defend the validity of the match?



ah, and here we see the modus operandi revealed:

"The Battle of the Sexes played its part in allowing her to get the work done that she needed to forward her causes. "


ends justifies means.

so long as your ends are cultural marxist in nature ...

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 7:52 PM  

and in this OT post i make Sigyn proud of hubby's SMV:
http://i.imgur.com/LnanSet.gif

Anonymous Rally August 28, 2013 7:55 PM  

The match was fixed out in the open, for all to see. First of all choosing the 55 year old Riggs instead of a similarly ranked male tennis player, and second in that Riggs had to defend the larger doubles area while King did not

It's icing on the cake to find out it was fixed behind the scenes as well.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 8:20 PM  

Rally August 28, 2013 7:55 PM
and second in that Riggs had to defend the larger doubles area while King did not




false.

this applies to the later Connors / Navratilova match, not the Riggs / King match.

it's interesting to note that THE ONLY TWO MATCHES in which 'professional' ( for varying definitions of professional ) men have been 'bested' by women, Riggs was a loser both times. in the second match he was 67, deaf and required glasses to play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_%28tennis%29

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 28, 2013 8:23 PM  

Jezebel: "King's story has become hugely important in sport's and women's history. Multiple documentaries have been devoted to her life and her impressive win over Riggs is a large part of that of her legacy."

Right. Whereas Margaret Court, who was far superior as an athlete and a woman, became an un-person.

That is how feminists win their culturally important symbolic battles: through corruption, fraud and lies, exalting the vile and condemning the just.

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 9:04 PM  

Do I have to tell my story again about how back in my college years I was in ROTC for a 2 whole semesters and I would show up at PT on a Saturday morning either drunk and/or hungover, yet could still outrun, out lift and out endurance every single female every fucking time? And yes, I was skinny and pigeon-chested.

- REMF

Anonymous Bob Sacamano August 28, 2013 9:22 PM  

"Anyone who knew the previous two facts and then watched Riggs lose in straight sets could easily extrapolate that, whether the fix was in or not, something was seriously wrong."

Indeed, it is PLAUSIBLE that the match was fixed. Relying on an assistant golf pro and mobsters as "credible" witnesses? Keep sucking that Scalzi man-boob...


"Amelia was grossly incompetent in most aspects of flying. but her disappearance was due to her particular ignorance in how to fly a basic navigational search, a skill known to sailors since antiquity."

Revisionist historian, I see. General Leigh Wade, who flew with Earhart, said in 1929: "She was a born flier, with a delicate touch on the stick." Let us find the middle ground--proficient at best, serviceable at worst.

There are a variety of factors for Earhardt's disappearance. The Electra plane was not well fitted for navigation--no rooftop hatch, no viewing port to observe celestial bodies unobtrusively, no navigational equipment. Foolishly, her and Noonan lacked any experience in working a new piece of technology, a direction finding radio.
Like any person with an overinflated ego--like you, for instance--they got in over her head.

Anonymous Sigyn August 28, 2013 9:41 PM  

and in this OT post i make Sigyn proud of hubby's SMV:

((Yuck! British gamma pansy ahoy!

((Just FYI, LoA doesn't really look much like that or act like that--though he does have red hair. And I prefer my all-American, right-winger, gun-totin' coppertop. Kthxnite.))

Anonymous YIH August 28, 2013 9:42 PM  

@Anonagain:
You forgot to factor in 'inflation' into that. You could buy a nice home for about $30000 then, or a car for $3000. Today, add another zero.
Maybe we will one day we will do as the Japanese did long ago; just eliminate the decimal point.
Thanks Jews!

Anonymous JC Denton August 28, 2013 10:01 PM  

Stickwick, you stole my thunder. However, allow me to offer this. What they should have done, is like in golf, move the tee, and let them start at the Jumping Spider. That would have provided real comedy. If any could actually negotiate that, then the Warped Wall would definitely take them out. I think even a 6 footer, would lack the upper arm, to negotiate that.

If anyone here has played Deus Ex series, the day will probably come when we have cybernetic and eventually nano-augmentation. However, even as the game explores, there is a DNA link to all that enhancement, that proves men and women will never be equal, regardless of man's interventions in nature...

Anonymous bob k. mando August 28, 2013 10:10 PM  

Bob Sacamano August 28, 2013 9:22 PM
Like any person with an overinflated ego--like you, for instance--they got in over her head.




if you weren't trying to parody my internet handle ... maybe my ego wouldn't be so inflated?


and got in over "her" head?

*snort*

come now, that was intentional. maybe if she wasn't volunteering to kneel ...




Bob Sacamano August 28, 2013 9:22 PM
General Leigh Wade, who flew with Earhart, said in 1929: "She was a born flier, with a delicate touch on the stick."



a delicate touch on the ... JOYstick? you sure General Wade was discussing her abilities as a flyer?

more seriously, as with automobile racing, there are many, MANY more layers of expertise to being a proficient pilot above and beyond simple vehicle control. ( which is where Danica fails as a racer, but that's a different discussion and one not suited to your limited abilities of comprehension )

small and smooth inputs are crucial to being a good 'flyer'. being a good 'pilot' requires a MUCH greater level of expertise across a broad range of disciplines ... some of which, like meteorology, density-altitude calculations and familiarity with the electronic tech of the day have nothing to do with 'flying' as such.

and, despite General Wade's glowing testimony, Earhart crashed several planes in embarrassing circumstances. she ground looped her aircraft on her first attempt at the around-the-world mission and her tech director blamed that on ... her.




Sigyn August 28, 2013 9:41 PM
((Just FYI, LoA doesn't really look much like that or act like that--though he does have red hair. And I prefer my all-American, right-winger, gun-totin' coppertop. Kthxnite.))



strangely though, that's the template he chose to portray as his avatar.

*wink*

Kthxnite.




love you too, Loki.

Anonymous Anonagain August 28, 2013 10:13 PM  

You forgot to factor in 'inflation' into that.

It would appear I did forget to factor in inflation when I wrote the comment, but it did cross my mind earlier, wondering how much 100K would be worth in today's dollars. You really think it would be a million? That's disgusting.

That also happens whenever I'm watching period dramas. Like, just how rich did his 10,000 guineas make Sharpe in 1813?

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter August 28, 2013 10:20 PM  

Can we look forward to a "Battle of the deviants"?

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 10:29 PM  

Kill for peace...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-QsOKrSuQ

on the other hand...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUCjORJhQZQ

Anonymous rubberducky August 28, 2013 10:41 PM  

I suspect Billie Jean King beat him fair and square. Rigg's taking a dive willingly for the money doesn't make sense. He had lined up a match against Chris Evert with a $1,000,000 purse if he got past King. That loss hurt him, financially and otherwise. Took him months to get over it. If he took a dive, he was made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Thing is, he shoulda beat her. But she played smart, she changed up her play style, surprising him, and she hammered his weakness.

She welched on the deal, too. He had her contractually committed to play a rematch, and he badly wanted it, but she refused. He entertained a lawsuit over that.

I have no doubt she refused the rematch because the second time he'd have been better prepared and beaten her. He had just smoked Margaret Court in the Mother's Day Massacre when Court was rated the No. 1 player of the day and at the height of a run which left her with the title of the greatest female champion of all time.

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 10:42 PM  

What was the topic?... oh yeah... girls can't compete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAzAg6rD3t4

Anonymous Harsh August 28, 2013 10:43 PM  

Revisionist historian, I see. General Leigh Wade, who flew with Earhart, said in 1929: "She was a born flier, with a delicate touch on the stick." Let us find the middle ground--proficient at best, serviceable at worst.

A delicate touch on the stick doesn't mean she knew how to navigate, which seems to have been her failing.

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 11:03 PM  

Rigg's taking a dive willingly for the money doesn't make sense.

No. The match with Chrissy Evert was for $50 grand, not a million bucks, and it was the conso, because BJK wouldn't sign on. Once BJK signed on, there was talk of a follow-up match to that with Evert, but no contract, nothing signed in stone.

A hustler who takes a dive makes perfect sense, as long as he did much better than the prize money for winning.

Watch the match closely. He dogs it like a pro hustler...but he dogs it. The guy could have taken a year off, and he wouldn't have lost trying. The guy beat people at golf playing with a frying pan. You don't go from the Mother's Day Massacre to geriatric in two months.

Showman. Show...man. Now, his depression over losing might have been legit. Maybe the nature of the dive got to him. Or it might have been a terribly convenient cover to move the money he made around without inviting a lot of attention. I don't know, but it is clear from watching both matches that the fix was in.

Put it this way- Jordan's 50. Unless you play in the NBA now, you think you could beat him one-on-one? That was the difference between Riggs and King. Riggs had been playing the game for 40 years. You think he lost his serve in two months?

Tennis is one of the easiest sports in which to take a dive: easier than boxing. Players do it for fun all the time, just to collect appearance fees at crap tourneys they don't want to be at. They'll win their first match for the fans, but pull up lame or just plain whiff out in the next one. And when I say all the time I mean it: I bet there's at least one thrown match or forfeit at every minor pro tournament. It is an irritating part of the game, but there because, done right, it is virtually unprovable, and in a lot of cases, almost undetectable to the majority of people.

Anonymous Bob Sacamano August 28, 2013 11:11 PM  

"if you weren't trying to parody my internet handle ... maybe my ego wouldn't be so inflated?"

Spoken like a megalomaniac.


"and, despite General Wade's glowing testimony, Earhart crashed several planes in embarrassing circumstances."

So did Maxim, the Wright Brothers, Sandstrom, Doolittle, etc.


"there are many, MANY more layers of expertise to being a proficient pilot above and beyond simple vehicle control."

She met or exceeded the standards for the time period, unlike your tryout for the Flying Wallendas.


"a delicate touch on the ... JOYstick? you sure General Wade was discussing her abilities as a flyer?"

Not heeding the advice from your life coach again, I see, regarding your juvenile banter.

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 11:14 PM  

Girls... get on up.. take it to the scene... like a sex machine... right on right on...stay on the scene... like a sex machine... you don't like it girl... too bad. Get on up... what ever hits me...

The hardest worker in rock calls... can you Get on up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajzpd-ONOdo

A white man says...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry2U4v0scuA
roger wilco... over and out!

Anonymous Stickwick August 28, 2013 11:16 PM  

What they should have done, is like in golf, move the tee, and let them start at the Jumping Spider. That would have provided real comedy.

Heh. So, you saw it, too. That gal looked exactly like this when she missed the jump. I rewound it three or four times, couldn't stop laughing. And when the cameras weren't pointing at them, I'm pretty sure the guys there were laughing, too.

Anonymous Daniel August 28, 2013 11:17 PM  

Evert's take was one I respect: when she was #1 in the world, she would train with guys ranked in the hundreds and higher.

She would get throttled. 6-0, 6-0, that sort of stuff, and she could have cared less. She wasn't doing that to win. She was doing it so that no woman (Martina) ever seemed as fast against her. The men's game is, now and yesterday, much faster than the woman's.She knew it and took a advantage of that to dominate her class.

Blogger BenYachov August 28, 2013 11:18 PM  

Well, what evidence do we have this Shaw guy is on the up & up?

Now don't get me wrong. Causing Feminists psychological pain is always beyond entertaining but I need something a little more substantial then this guy's say so 40 years after the fact.

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 11:22 PM  

Girls always pick up... them types...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JskztPPSJwY

Anonymous Anonymous August 28, 2013 11:26 PM  

"If he took a dive, he was made an offer he couldn't refuse."

Nice place you've got there...Be a shame if it burned down. You could get hurt real bad.

Fagioli

Anonymous Harsh August 28, 2013 11:32 PM  

@Bob Sacamano

She met or exceeded the standards for the time period, unlike your tryout for the Flying Wallendas.

Please provide a citation for this assertion.

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 11:49 PM  

Is everybody in??? Girls settle down... it's about to begin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul5HTPES-yU

Blogger Bosefus August 28, 2013 11:57 PM  

Oops... I screwed that up... AWAKE... shake dreams from your hair, my fair child... and enter the hot dream:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWS6kw1F5OQ

Anonymous Smokey August 29, 2013 12:28 AM  

Watching that match, the first thing that went through my mind was that if Bobby Riggs had gone as easy on Margaret Court as he did on Billie Jean King, she would have smoked him, no problem.

Anonymous Anonymous August 29, 2013 1:21 AM  

**This should help you understand that equality isn't merely a myth, it is a fraudulent myth that is pushed dishonestly by those with a vested material interest in it.**

That depends on what you mean by 'equality'. If you mean that there are no areas where men and women will perform equally well, that would be wrong. If you mean that there are no exceptional women who will not outperform most men in certain areas, where men usually do better, that's also wrong. If you mean that there are certain areas where on average it is more likely that most men will do better than most women (or vice versa), then you'd be right.

But then, pretty much the whole culture we have right now is a fraud, people claim we have a meritocracy, wherein talent, virtue, and hard work are rewarded, when in fact we have a popularity contest, wherein talent, virtue, and hard work are punished, and one is rewarded for being cute or politically correct enough. So distinguishing any equality of the sexes fraud from the rest of the general fraud going on is probably going to be pretty difficult.

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Anonymous bob k. mando August 29, 2013 2:00 AM  

Bob Sacamano August 28, 2013 11:11 PM
So did Maxim, the Wright Brothers, Sandstrom, Doolittle, etc.



Doolittle's flight plan was DESIGNED to end in a crash in China. they took off knowing they didn't have the fuel to reach an airfield or carrier.

there are NO 'embarrassing' crashes when the planes in question are experimental. that applies even today.

test pilot is one of the most hazardous occupations on the planet whether you are male or female.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vxxHyl46co

watch all three episodes. THAT is a woman pilot ( TEST pilot ) par excellence. and she smashed her face all to hell crashing an experimental aircraft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Reitsch#List_of_awards_and_world_records

it's not the crash per se that reveals Amelia's incompetence, it's the way her OWN DECISIONS made it inevitable. test pilots crashing is ultimately their own responsibility ( because they got in the plane ) but usually the proximate cause is mechanical or design failure of one kind or another.


it's telling that you try to compare the mishaps of the true pioneers of aviation to failures of someone who simply hasn't bothered to learn things that had been well known for decades ( morse code ) or longer.



Bob Sacamano
She met or exceeded the standards for the time period, unlike your tryout for the Flying Wallendas.

Harsh August 28, 2013 11:32 PM
Please provide a citation for this assertion.




Earhart qualified for a pilot's license in 1923.

the Flying Wallenda's rejected me. pity about that whole 'not having the surname Wallenda' thing but there you are. now you know my secret shame.

i'm not sure why you want citations for this, Harsh. better to note that 'qualifying for a license' is a far, FAR different thing than being an exemplary example of that thing.

there are plenty of incompetent doctors running around. they 'met or exceeded the standards' of the medical board but you still wouldn't want them operating on you. Kermit Gosnell would only be one of the more outrageous examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

it's no surprise that Sacamano would prefer the 'evidence' of government certification over the actual facts of the flight. i don't believe i've ever observed him not being an incompetent and obnoxious little shit.

Anonymous Harsh August 29, 2013 8:50 AM  

i'm not sure why you want citations for this, Harsh. better to note that 'qualifying for a license' is a far, FAR different thing than being an exemplary example of that thing.

I was referring to her apparent lack of knowledge of aviation skills such as the one you mentioned here:

Amelia was grossly incompetent in most aspects of flying. but her disappearance was due to her particular ignorance in how to fly a basic navigational search, a skill known to sailors since antiquity.

Mr. Sacamano asserted that she was at least an average pilot and I was wondering what he based that on.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 29, 2013 9:17 AM  

Harsh August 29, 2013 8:50 AM
Mr. Sacamano asserted that she was at least an average pilot and I was wondering what he based that on.





not true.

that IS the implication which he wanted to you infer ... but that isn't close to what he actually said. this is where precision is helpful in dissecting what the prog means from the words that the prog actually used.

a 16 year old can 'meet or exceed the standards' to hold a driver's license. and they do, regularly.

but you're out of your mind if you consider the vast majority of 16 year olds to be 'expert' or even middling-fair drivers.

licensing is a minimum level of expertise ... and in the case of .gov certification that minimum level is usually quite low indeed.

Anonymous Daniel August 29, 2013 9:59 AM  

Now don't get me wrong. Causing Feminists psychological pain is always beyond entertaining but I need something a little more substantial then this guy's say so 40 years after the fact.

Bobby Riggs was a bigtime sports gambling hustler for longer than he was a tennis pro (and world #1 in the 40s) before he took on the King. The broadcasters were making jokes about it during the match. That's a lot of substance. The rumors flew immediately following the match. Just watch the thing. If you don't see some fairly artful fishyness going on, you may not be very familiar with tennis.

I wouldn't be surprised if Riggs had a hustle where he would get completely drunk, bet on himself in a "show of bravado" against a tennis pro, and beat him. I know for a fact that he pulled that hustle on the golf course. 2 months out of shape is not enough for him to go from crushing a gal to collapsing against another.

King is often lauded for her strategy. Her strategy was designed to make her lose a little more gracefully than her predecessor (by softening and shortening volleys so that they had a greater duration - and Riggs would have fewer ripped shots). It wasn't a winning strategy.

If Chris Evert never even conceived of beating pro men, how on earth did the slower King do it so easily? Why couldn't Martina score even a set in a fully and openly rigged match?

I need, and have always needed, just the slightest sliver of substance that the King thing wasn't All-Star Wrestling, with Riggs playing, to a t, the glorious heel.

Anonymous E. PERLINE August 29, 2013 10:21 AM  

I was involved with tennis at Forest Hills, when it home to the US Open. The story about the Bobby Riggs VS Billie Jean King match was news to me, but it was no surprise.

When she was champion, Billie Jean King got the minor leagues of women the same prize money as the men by threatening to boycott the tournement the week it was scheduled to begin.

Did you also notice how the commentators fawn all over players from one particular race? Either they sense the NYC culture or they're deep-dyed liberals themselves.

Blogger Jack Hanson August 29, 2013 1:24 PM  

I guess cause Chuck Yeager crashed a plane that means Earhart was as great a pilot as him.

Wait no that makes absolutely sense.

Anonymous Harsh August 29, 2013 8:09 PM  

but you're out of your mind if you consider the vast majority of 16 year olds to be 'expert' or even middling-fair drivers.

Well, I might be out of my mind but it's far deeper than that. But I get what you're saying.

Anonymous Bob Sacamano August 29, 2013 9:49 PM  

“Doolittle's flight plan was DESIGNED to end in a crash in China. they took off knowing they didn't have the fuel to reach an airfield or carrier.”

You are like a horse with blinders. Did you even think about the crashes under his direction during their training BEFORE that fabled mission? Idiot.


“there are NO 'embarrassing' crashes when the planes in question are experimental. that applies even today.”


Exactly. Purdue University funded the new twin-engine Lockeed Electra, an airplane modeled specifically for her global flight, one never used before for this expressive purpose. In other words, a highly modified plane designed exclusively for global navigation equipped with an entirely new communication system.

FACEPALM!


“test pilot is one of the most hazardous occupations on the planet whether you are male or female.”

Your devotion to an Aryan princess is most revealing. Must be your inner white knight.


“it's telling that you try to compare the mishaps of the true pioneers of aviation...”
Pioneer (verb)--develop or be the FIRST to use or apply (a new method, area of knowledge, or activity).

Earhart’s accomplishments would fit the definition.

http://www.ameliaearhart.com/about/achievements.html


“it's not the crash per se that reveals Amelia's incompetence, it's the way her OWN DECISIONS made it inevitable.”

Poor planning and execution in retrospect, to be sure. Radio antenna damaged on takeoff, overcast conditions made it difficult with celestial navigation, inaccurate maps led her and her partner to be several miles off of their position, lack of high grade fuel meant taking less for the trip. HER actions alone are responsible? Hardly. Inevitable her and her partner would die on their journey? You have the benefit of hindsight, Cochise.


“i don't believe i've ever observed him not being an incompetent and obnoxious little shit.”



Yeah, I agree, Harsh is a stupid pain in the ass.

And I see that Jack Hanson, our resident federal terrorist, chimed in while on the clock.


“that IS the implication which he wanted to you infer ... but that isn't close to what he actually said.* this is where precision is helpful in dissecting what the prog means from the words that the prog** actually used. a 16 year old can 'meet or exceed the standards' to hold a driver's license. and they do, regularly.
but you're out of your mind if you consider the vast majority of 16 year olds to be 'expert' or even middling-fair drivers.”



*Enjoy building your house of straw, this is YOUR assertion.

**Prog? Surely you jest. I’m not a beggar of food.


“Earhart earned her pilot’s license in 1923.”

And in 14 years, she was proficient at best, serviceable at worst, as I correctly stated.

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