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Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Pro-Replacement Republicans

The professional Republican politicians are still absolutely determined to betray the remnants of the American people:
House Republicans are preparing to unveil their own broad template for overhauling the nation’s immigration system this week, potentially offering a small opening for President Obama and congressional Democrats to pass bipartisan legislation before the end of the year.

Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and other Republican leaders are expected to release a one-page statement of immigration principles this week at their annual retreat in Cambridge, Md., according to aides with knowledge of the plan. The document is expected to call for border security and enforcement measures, as well as providing a path to legal status — but not citizenship — for many of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, the aides said.

The Republican effort comes as Mr. Obama is expected to push once again for an overhaul of the immigration system in his State of the Union address Tuesday, and as lawmakers from both parties describe immigration as one of the few potential areas for bipartisan compromise before the end of the current Congress.
It should be abundantly clear, at this point, that Republicans have no interest whatsoever in American survival. From banks to new electorates, literally everything they do is to the detriment of the American people. Not that the Democrats are any better, but it is absurd to think that electing more Republicans is going to solve anything. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

Enjoy the decline.

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Anonymous damntull January 28, 2014 3:11 PM  

Didn't think I could feel this depressed.

Blogger JartStar January 28, 2014 3:12 PM  

This is about the cheap labor as their own internal polling has to be telling them that the majority of illegals will vote Democrat.

Anonymous Noah B. January 28, 2014 3:14 PM  

Sounds about right JartStar.

Anonymous Anonymous January 28, 2014 3:23 PM  

"If you like you job, you can keep your job"

Anonymous Josh January 28, 2014 3:31 PM  

If the nullification folks were smart, they'd be getting more states to pass immigration laws like Alabama's.

It's quite possible to rid yourself of most immigrants without sending swat teams into the barrios.

Blogger kurt9 January 28, 2014 3:31 PM  

I see lots of internet and magazine articles about how automation is going to eliminate lots and lots of jobs over the next 20 years, including the Economist. If so, how is adding millions of immigrants supposed to make things better? Would not they also be made redundant by this new automation and robotics.

There seems to be a cognitive dissidence in play.

Anonymous Feh January 28, 2014 3:32 PM  

It should be abundantly clear, at this point, that Republicans have no interest whatsoever in American survival

What's fascinating is they have no apparent interest in their own survival.

Import more Democrats... what could go wrong with that as a political strategy for the GOP?

Anonymous Anonymous January 28, 2014 3:36 PM  

Import more Democrats... what could go wrong with that as a political strategy for the GOP?

The GOP is not the opposition party, they are one wing of the uni-party--they share the same strategy; they just lied to us about what it was.

Blogger CarpeOro January 28, 2014 3:37 PM  

"Didn't think I could feel this depressed."

Once you understand there isn't really a two party system, you'll start to look for real solutions. The Republicans are unsalvageable as a party, they are merely a wing of the ruling oligarchy, albeit the weak wing.

Anonymous Josh January 28, 2014 3:38 PM  

Boehner's son in law is an immigrant, right?

Anonymous FritzG January 28, 2014 3:45 PM  

"What's fascinating is they have no apparent interest in their own survival."

This move is apparently in direct response to the GOP seeing relatively recent polling show that their approval rating with hispanics is nose diving since the Election. One wonders how that is possible, but still.

As far as I can tell, the clearly correct path on this issue is to truly beef up border security to the extent it can be afforded, give amnesty to all those in the country illegally, give a quick path to citizen ship to those who were brought into this country when minors and have done with it.

Anonymous Lysander Spooner January 28, 2014 3:45 PM  

Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity

Anonymous jack January 28, 2014 3:46 PM  

It's time for the various state Tea Parties to symbolically raise the middle finger and push like heck for a truly viable 3rd. party. Have at it...

Note here: paralyzing winter snow and closed roads in the Birmingham, AL area. This level of snow would raise sneers from the northers but, then, this is the south. We don't have hundreds of actual snow plows and mountains of salt. Here, they grab any road graders around and go for it. The people here are not used to snow driving. I remember well, not so many years ago, having to drive regularly every winter in the far north areas. Chicago was a particular adventure.

Anonymous MrGreenMan January 28, 2014 3:47 PM  

They assume their base is stupid enough to believe that the notion of "legal status" won't lead to "citizenship with voting rights' because their base is stupid enough to still vote for them.

Blogger John Cunningham January 28, 2014 3:47 PM  

this "legal but not citizen" ploy could only last until the first Commie judge threw it out as violative of the 14th amendment. clearly the repubs are the Washington Generals of politics.

Anonymous 11B January 28, 2014 3:49 PM  

So the party of "small" government has a chance at a big win in October. It might give them a stronger hold in the House and even control of the Senate. This would enable the party of "small" government to legislatively dismantle the most enormous encroachment of government into the private sector. Their base is fired up. A majority of the country now agrees that this legislation is wrong. So what do they do? They decide to push the one issue that their base despises, and one in which the majority of the rest of nation doesn't want either. Like a holding penalty in football, pushing this issue at this time is a major drive killer that will end up turning off the base and failing to attract others. The party of "small" government is going to throw away possibly its last chance of winning and dismantling ACA. All this to satisfy the needs of the big biz and big ag for cheap labor.

They don't sound like the party of "small" government to me.

Anonymous civilServant January 28, 2014 3:54 PM  

Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio and other Republican leaders are expected to release a one-page statement of immigration principles this week

Before the April deadline for filing to run for this November?

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 January 28, 2014 4:03 PM  

As far as I can tell, the clearly correct path on this issue is to truly beef up border security to the extent it can be afforded, give amnesty to all those in the country illegally, give a quick path to citizen ship to those who were brought into this country when minors and have done with it

They tried it exactly this way in 1986.
Since it's now a worse issue nearly three decades hence, I think we can agree this is not the effective path to be "done with it."

Anonymous alexamenos January 28, 2014 4:09 PM  

What's fascinating is they have no apparent interest in their own survival.

The Republicans are the Washington Generals for the Democratic Harlem Globetrotters. So long as Globetrotters need to put on a show, the Generals survive.

Or maybe I should say that the Republican roll will be that of the Mexican National Action Party, namely token opposition to the PRI. Viva La Revolucion....

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 January 28, 2014 4:16 PM  

This is about the cheap labor as their own internal polling has to be telling them that the majority of illegals will vote Democrat

My gut tells me that they really, honestly believe those votes are up for grabs, because Catholic Family Values.
I say bring it.
Can't really have a legit third party until the second party trips over the Mendoza line.

Anonymous A Visitor January 28, 2014 4:27 PM  

It should be abundantly clear, at this point, that Republicans have no interest whatsoever in American survival.

This is why I am not, barring a decent candidate (preferably 3rd party), voting in this year's midterms. It shall be the first time since I was of legal voting age (barely missed voting in the '04 election) that I have not voted. Because of such foolish policies, I am seriously considering getting out of my industry, going back to college, and getting an engineering degree.

Boehner's son in law is an immigrant, right? Yes.

@Huckleberry They tried it exactly this way in 1986. I was born in 1986. Ergo, immigration law has not been enforced since I've been alive; that is so wonderful to know. I feel akin to a Roman born whilst the barbarian hordes had already breached the Empire but not quite made it to Rome just yet. As a Catholic I get so sick and tired of the Church's push for amnesty. Yes, per a document from Vatican II, we need to make reasonable accomodations for refugees. Having said that, seriously? Eradication of our local culture (which if I remember correctlyanother doucment in Vatican II touches upon and says it's a no no; though I could be mistaken)? Where I live my family has lived since the mid-19th century (that's just my dad's side). I have an actual connection to this place. All these immigrants and illegals we have here...not so much.

Anonymous fmudd January 28, 2014 4:32 PM  

Vox Day, When you are so far right that even most Republicans are abandoning you...

Enjoy the increased isolation.

Anonymous Dr "And" January 28, 2014 4:34 PM  

Republicans caving in to the Democrats and selling out the country.

Wow! Didn't see that coming!

Curse you Weeping Johnny and your contemptible Brokeback Boys.

Blogger Random January 28, 2014 4:37 PM  

Enjoy the increased isolation.

You must be new here.

Blogger Scott January 28, 2014 4:47 PM  

Not that the Democrats are any better

As often as as Republicans misrepresent conservatives who elect them we are far and away better off with them than the progressive pukes. For instance, would Republicans even think of national health care? The Rs are definitely the lesser of the two evils.

But yeah, and to your point if left in power long enough the Rs would probably do as much damage. The problem is there's nowhere near enough "good" Rs to reach critical mass to the extent that real reform can happen. The "leadership" has to be made an example of. Boehner needs a good thumpin.

I'm afraid the country has to find it's bottom before any "healing" can begin. But will the healing result in a better situation? History is kind of not in our corner here.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 28, 2014 4:49 PM  

Vox Day, When you are so far right that even most Republicans are abandoning you...

Enjoy the increased isolation.


Either I missed the email where a country's control of it's own borders became "far right" or you are a moron.

*checks spam folder*

*Nope*

Blogger JartStar January 28, 2014 4:51 PM  

As a Catholic I get so sick and tired of the Church's push for amnesty.

I'm not hijacking this thread into a Catholic vs. everyone else, but in the grand scheme of things isn't the survival of the USA, in fact any country outside of the Papal State irrelevant compared to the continuation of the Roman Catholic Church? If true, then bringing in as many Catholics into a nation as possible, regardless of the effect on the nation would take priority for the RCC it would seem.

I repeat this is not an excuse to debate anything else about the RCC besides their stance on immigration and the effects on nations.

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 28, 2014 4:56 PM  

this "legal but not citizen" ploy could only last until the first Commie judge threw it out as violative of the 14th amendment.

I think that's exactly how it'll play out, and I think the Republicans are counting on it.

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 5:01 PM  

The GOP seems to be taking their cue from the recent actions where progressives are brazenly displaying their contempt for Americans, especially conservatives (e.g. Cuomo's "no place for you in NY" speech). Boehner and Co. simply do not believe that they can be touched by their own party base. Karl Rove told them that the Tea Party is dead and that their future lies with Hector the elector.

Anonymous FP January 28, 2014 5:03 PM  

"Vox Day, When you are so far right that even most Republicans are abandoning you..."

Funny, thats not what I'm seeing in my local prefecture. I'm hearing a lot of anger against the GOP by folks who have tended to be "rock ribbed republicans". A local talk show host who is a long time GOP supporter was in a squabble with glen beck recently over "defund the gop". The local guy is now running for state rep and touting "support the county GOP party" but despite griping about the state/nationals, still supports them. His favorite line has been "do you want Reid or McConnel?"

Anonymous Dan in Tx January 28, 2014 5:05 PM  

At this point, I'm hoping for a take over by a some what benevolent dictator.

Anonymous Steveo January 28, 2014 5:10 PM  

If you are a part of a party base, toeing the party line, shame on you. For if it was independence that our fore-fathers fought, honor them by your courage to think and be independent.

Blogger LP2021 Bank of LP Work in Progress January 28, 2014 5:11 PM  

How illustrious to be shown the same examples, the same post american actions/policies. The check collectors are just check collectors.

Diversion topics of homogamy, immigration and whatever else is a joke as more important things are taking place behind the frankenmedia mask, consider the silence of central banking, Yellen, etc. The worst problem we have in America is mass dys-edu, mis-edu of any economics. A people and their leaders who ignore God, economics and leogic will only face doom.

Withdrawing ones's consent looks easy, we will see another pointless election for reps, sens and prez.

But cheer up!! These minge boys or pink glove(rs) will save the day, let us feel so sorry for these wonderful baby boomers of whom brought America disastrously stupid policy after pathetic moronic policy.

What card is left to play the fads of tea parties. coffee parties - don't they live in fear of the NSA, IRS, etc? Who knows.

As our gracious host has invoked MPAI, so do I.

Also, Washington is trying to RUIN the super bowl.

Anonymous nordicthunder January 28, 2014 5:11 PM  

for what its worth, (no I didn't create a link, far too lazy for that)


http://primaryboehner.com/

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 5:16 PM  

I'm not hijacking this thread into a Catholic vs. everyone else, but in the grand scheme of things isn't the survival of the USA, in fact any country outside of the Papal State irrelevant compared to the continuation of the Roman Catholic Church? If true, then bringing in as many Catholics into a nation as possible, regardless of the effect on the nation would take priority for the RCC it would seem.

Well, I would say that they cannot be that stupid, but this is the church that thought it was a good idea to recruit potential pedophiles into the priesthood then to attack their victims and hide the perps when their sinful nature manifested itself.

1) moving Catholics from country A to country B is no net gain of Catholics. There may be some marginal gain of influence if country B is a powerful, influential first world country and country A is not. However, this is a short term shift as country B will follow country A into decline due to the population transfer.

2) If this is a deeply held principle of the RCC, then let them move the Mexicans to Rome. Or any of the Catholic South American countries for that matter. Suddenly, they're not so keen on the idea...and I haven't seen the current pontifex maximus trying to move them to his homeland which at least shares a language, culture (somewhat), and religion with them.

3) If they truly want to help Mexicans, let them do it in Mexico. Instead, the official position of the RCC is to wash their hands and make it America's problem. Pontius Pilate wept.

4) There are plenty of Protestant churches that are just as despicable with respect to this issue, so it isn't an RCC thing.

Anonymous civilServant January 28, 2014 5:21 PM  

be independent.

In what way? Your own land? Your own water? Your own agriculture? Your own money? Your own employment? Your own law enforcement? Your own defense department?

Anonymous JI January 28, 2014 5:23 PM  

"Enjoy the decline."

Anyone have any suggestions on how to do that? So far, I've not been enjoying it at all.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick January 28, 2014 5:23 PM  

What are the biblical arguments against immigration? I got into it with RC Sproul Jr. on Facebook and I need more arguments from the Bible on this.

Anonymous Porky January 28, 2014 5:25 PM  

Enjoy the increased isolation.

Are you talking about the FEMA camps?

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 5:25 PM  

Anyone have any suggestions on how to do that? So far, I've not been enjoying it at all.

Queen Victoria reportedly advised her daughter to "lie back and think of England" when asked a similar question.

Anonymous civilServant January 28, 2014 5:30 PM  

Anyone have any suggestions on how to do that?

http://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Decline-Accepting-Living-United/dp/1480284769

Anonymous civilServant January 28, 2014 5:35 PM  

What are the biblical arguments against immigration?

There are none as such. But one may note that at this time the vast majority of immigrants to America are here for the welfare and are not here for any other reason whatsoever. One may cite "If a man does not work then neither let him eat" in opposition to an excessive welfare state. This would address the issue indirectly.

Anonymous Porky January 28, 2014 5:37 PM  

200,000,000 eligible voters. 435 congressman.

Do the math, bichezzz.

Blogger JartStar January 28, 2014 5:37 PM  

Stilicho

1) There would be a net gain if it freed up resources in the country they exited from, and if the populace in the country they are entering practices birth control.

3) From what I read of the RCC there's a general call that the fortunate should help the less fortunate, and if the fortunate do not, then the RCC will help the process through other means.

4) Protestant churches are all over the place on this issue, but one of the distinguishing factors of them are many denominations are tied to a national identity originally, and none of them claim to be the one true church like the RCC. In other words, a Methodist would say that if Methodism goes away but Christians remain so be it, a Catholic might believe Christianity ends if the RCC ends.

Anonymous FritzG January 28, 2014 5:39 PM  

"in the grand scheme of things isn't the survival of the USA, in fact any country outside of the Papal State irrelevant compared to the continuation of the Roman Catholic Church?"

It's hard to get behind the notion that all else pales in front of the need to see the continuation and flourishing of the RCC. And they aren't hurting in that regard with over a billion catholics world wide. I can't see why the RCC deserves any more attention than any other similar organization.

The RCC already has its non-profit status...it can make money hand over fist by making gradiose and fantastic promises, yet pay nothing in the way of taxes. Seems like the U.S. gives them the kind of support no other business in the country gets, let alone individuals.

More importantly to the conversation at hand, I'm not sure Catholics are the group that will be doing much of anything for the republican party. When you look at the portrait of Catholics that they themselves paint in this poll http://religions.pewforum.org/portraits you realize they are not only Democratic by nature, but in nearly all cases more supportive of liberal points of view.

Catholics do a lot of good things for lots of people, but they are neither the answer for the GOP nor the sources of goodness in America.

The GOP's problem is that they don't possess a viable coalition of Americans, while it appears that the Democrats do. You have to wonder what they expect from supporting fake immigration reform. And you have to wonder what they hope to achieve by promoting cuts in every budget except the military. You have to wonder what they hope to gain for their party by opposing same sex marriage, even the most benign gun control laws, and in pushing the country to brink of default.

It's as though the GOP can't find anyone who will explain to them where the electorate in America stands.

Anonymous mrl January 28, 2014 5:44 PM  

And guess what? The sheeple will re-elect almost all of them next election!!

Anonymous RJ January 28, 2014 5:47 PM  

Scott January 28, 2014 4:47 PM

Not that the Democrats are any better

As often as as Republicans misrepresent conservatives who elect them we are far and away better off with them than the progressive pukes. For instance, would Republicans even think of national health care?


Why, yes. Yes they would: P-CARE

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 28, 2014 5:54 PM  

"Enjoy the decline."

Anyone have any suggestions on how to do that? So far, I've not been enjoying it at all.


The key is to drink and play video games instead of working and paying taxes.

Anonymous Porky January 28, 2014 6:01 PM  

"Oh, and I say it again, you've been had. You've been took. You've been hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray. Run amok!"

Anonymous Brother Thomas January 28, 2014 6:02 PM  

There are 435 u.S. representatives representing approx. 300,000,000 people. That means there are approx. 690,000 people per representative.

Question:

Who does your representative represent?

(a) You
(b) His dozen or so largest corporate donors
(c) Justin Beiber
(d) People like George Soros
(e) b and d

Anonymous JW January 28, 2014 6:10 PM  

Why isn't the RCC going into the Middle East to save the Christians from being slaughtered? Where are the Crusaders when you need them?

Anonymous Anonymous January 28, 2014 6:16 PM  

What are the biblical arguments against immigration?
The dispersion at Babel.

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 6:18 PM  

OT: Tom Kratman, I just started reading "A Desert Called Peace" and you've already made me laugh twice with "crucify them" and "Dahlonega glacier"...and I haven't made it to the second chapter.

Anonymous DT January 28, 2014 6:26 PM  

Why, yes. Yes they would: P-CARE

Republicans proposed this? Why even bother having elections or two parties any more?

Blogger Scott January 28, 2014 6:38 PM  

@RJ

For instance, would Republicans even think of national health care?

Why, yes. Yes they would: P-CARE

What I meant was... the Rs wouldn't have advocate national healthcare. Of course they're stupid enough to clap along with the Ds now that we have it.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2014 6:42 PM  

> ... but it is absurd to think that electing more Republicans is going to solve anything. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

And yet the R's and D's control the electoral process in most states, locking out effective third party candidates. :(

> As far as I can tell, the clearly correct path on this issue is to truly beef up border security to the extent it can be afforded, give amnesty to all those in the country illegally, give a quick path to citizen ship to those who were brought into this country when minors and have done with it.

In other words, more of what we've already tried, because that's worked so well over the past 30 years.

> For instance, would Republicans even think of national health care?

What part of Romneycare in Massachusetts did you not understand?

> The Rs are definitely the lesser of the two evils.

Let's see. The D's tell us what they're going to do and then do it. The R's lie about what they're going to do and then do the same thing the D's would do. Nope, not seeing it.

> Your own land? Your own water? Your own agriculture? Your own money? Your own employment? Your own law enforcement? Your own defense department?

As I've noted before on a couple of occasions, you really have no idea how rural people live.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot,Ret. January 28, 2014 6:43 PM  

I'd never belong to a party, that would have someone like me as a member.

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Anonymous bub January 28, 2014 6:44 PM  

OT but coming soon to a post near you: "If Jesus returns, kill him again."

Anonymous Anonymous January 28, 2014 6:52 PM  

The clearly correct path is to establish quick-queue immigrations courts who are trained in properly assessing deportations; confiscating the property of illegal immigrants to pay their civil fines, court costs, and deportation costs; and to put a bounty on illegal immigrants to encourage citizens to report them for deportation.

In response, immigrants will self-deport quickly.

Anonymous wcu January 28, 2014 6:53 PM  

Fritzg, what poll are you refering to in reference to a " nose dive in hispanic approval" ? If its disapproval for the pussy elephant brigade, who gives a shit? What has the Aztec alliance ever done for them as far as votes?

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 28, 2014 6:59 PM  

As far as I can tell, the clearly correct path on this issue is to truly beef up border security to the extent it can be afforded, give amnesty to all those in the country illegally, give a quick path to citizen ship to those who were brought into this country when minors and have done with it.

No. A thousand times no. That will be the fourth time we try the exact same thing, and each time "this is the last time, promise!" Imagine you're some South American peasant considering whether or not to hop the fence into the US. From your perspective there's no downside - all you have to do is keep out of sight until the next amnesty, then you're golden.

We should deport people who are here illegally and end birthright citizenship. We should tell the illegals that no matter how long they're here they'll be deported as soon as we find them, and they're not eligible for any sort of state benefits, including school for their children or medical care.

We should consider some sort of corporal punishment for the ones we catch the way it's done in Singapore.

Blogger Scott January 28, 2014 7:11 PM  

For instance, would Republicans even think of national health care?
What part of Romneycare in Massachusetts did you not understand?

Romneycare was not a federal program. States can do whatever they like, fine by me. My point is the vast majority of Republicans at the federal level have always been anti-fed healthcare. All bets are off now that we have it.

Our last chance was Roberts, but somehow he was persuaded to take a socialist activist position and make shit up for his ruling. I can't help but think there's something dark in his past or his family was threatened etc. It just seems highly unlikely given his history that he'd rule the way he did.

Anonymous Brain Death January 28, 2014 7:14 PM  

Here is a good "compromise" solution: Announce that all illegals have 60 days to report in to INS. Any that do will be granted a 3 month visa, 1,000.00 cash, and a free one way ticket to any foreign country that will take them. They will be expected to settle their affairs and leave the country before their visa expires. After that point, any illegal will simply be arrested, driven over the border, and dumped. This is the "temporary amnesty" solution.

Yes, we are going to ask for papers. I have to show ID to buy a 6 pack, so why shouldn't they? Crack down on their employers: Make it so hideously expensive to hire an illegal that NO business will even consider it: I am thinking a million dollar fine PER ILLEGAL that is not discharged in BK. Offer big bucks in cash to "snitches". Run ads on TV and radio, and post on billboards. Make voting by illegals a class A felony. Likewise, applying for ANY social service by an illegal be a class A felony, even if its just for a library card.

Anonymous kh123, student of the Cargo Cohanim January 28, 2014 7:14 PM  

"What has the Aztec alliance ever done for them as far as votes?"

No, but see, the magic incantation of "anti-raciss". It placates the Aztlanians and their giant robot god, Quetzalcoatlor.

Anonymous zen0 January 28, 2014 7:30 PM  

Support for immigration has always been about cheap labor. Goes all the way back to importing African interns and Chinese railroad building fodder.

I can't see why Labor Unions would support this, especially during the current depression.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 28, 2014 7:42 PM  

Speaking from a historical/ideological point of view, this makes total sense. The purpose of mass immigration is and always has been to break the back of American labor so as to avoid having to pay fair market wages. The Republicans have always been first and foremost a corporatist party, so in a way this makes perfect sense for them. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, built itself up as the party that watched out for the interests of the American working class. It has since dumped the working class entirely (well, other than some lip service, and accepting huge donations from union bosses) in favor of the welfare class, which, along with race hustlers and other aggrieved minority groups, now form the backbone of their coalition. They have, in short, abandoned any of Classical Marxism's genuine concern for the workers and class struggle in favor of Frankfurt School Cultural Marxism and the old-school Roman technique of buying the votes of the plebs with free Egyptian corn.

Nobody - nobody - stands for the American worker these days. They have been utterly abandoned by the leadership of both parties. The fact that the middle class is being eroded into nothingness is not unrelated.

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 7:45 PM  

Make it so hideously expensive to hire an illegal that NO business will even consider it: I am thinking a million dollar fine PER ILLEGAL that is not discharged in BK. Offer big bucks in cash to "snitches".

No need to go that far. $50,000 per illegal with half the fine collected going to the whistleblower. Collection of the fine is given a super-priority in the event of the bankruptcy of the employer. If there is nothing to collect, then put a bounty of $5000 per illegal in place as a backup. Of course, this all assumes the will to deport among the political and bureaucratic classes...which is completely lacking.

Anonymous civilServant January 28, 2014 7:51 PM  

Your own land? Your own water? Your own agriculture? Your own money? Your own employment? Your own law enforcement? Your own defense department?

As I've noted before on a couple of occasions, you really have no idea how rural people live.


I understand. Tell me. Can you produce your own clothing? Your own steel? Your own fuel? Your own tires? Your own gunpowder? Your own electronics/computer/internet? Or are you presently living without all of that? If you are living in teepees and hunting rabbits with flint arrowheads and riding horses bareback then one may take this talk of "independence" seriously. But not until then.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 28, 2014 7:53 PM  

"I can't see why Labor Unions would support this, especially during the current depression."

Perhaps you've never actually been in a union. Anyone who has can (and probably will) tell you that a union's own leadership is almost invariably its own worst enemy.

I am not against the concept of unions per se, but American unions have always been horrendously corrupt and less careful about who they got into bed with than a Kardashian. American labor deserves better unions than it's got. Then again, maybe it does have the ones it deserves. The price of stupidity is death, and private-sector unions are just about dead, with the American middle class not far behind.

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 8:06 PM  

then one may take this talk of "independence" seriously. But not until then.

Independent of what?

Anonymous Hong Hu Shi January 28, 2014 8:11 PM  

Independent of what?

CivServ will think you're thinking independently only once you're making your own water with a bag of homemade hydrogen and oxygen ions.

Teepees are the only home option for the independently-minded?

Anonymous Stilicho January 28, 2014 8:12 PM  

Here's the post you originally responded to re: independence:

If you are a part of a party base, toeing the party line, shame on you. For if it was independence that our fore-fathers fought, honor them by your courage to think and be independent.

with this:

In what way? Your own land? Your own water? Your own agriculture? Your own money? Your own employment? Your own law enforcement? Your own defense department?

Dance despair monkey, dance.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist January 28, 2014 8:13 PM  

"Your own land? Your own water? Your own agriculture? Your own money? Your own employment? Your own law enforcement? Your own defense department?"

Well, the answer to all of these is a yes. Rural people can, in some form or another, produce or obtain all of the above without government (or very much other) help.

"Can you produce your own clothing? Your own steel? Your own fuel? Your own tires? Your own gunpowder? Your own electronics/computer/internet?"

The answer for these varies; from a resounding "yes" (clothing, firewood as a fuel), to "yes with some difficulty" (gunpowder, ethanol as a fuel), to "yes at a level of local cooperation" (iron and other metals), to "no, but I could find other options" (tires) to "no, but I could live without it" (the internet). Absolutely none of them require civil servants in order to work.

Believe it or not, people did actually find ways to live and survive before they had huge governments and megacorporations round.

Anonymous Godfrey January 28, 2014 8:14 PM  

This all about breaking the middle-class. The elites want to destroy the remaining financial independence of the middle-class.

Anonymous zen0 January 28, 2014 8:35 PM  

@ ADA

Perhaps you've never actually been in a union.

Perhaps I have. Let me think......United Fishermen and Allied Workers' Union. Homer Stevens was the head. He ran as a communist in a local riding in the 1970's. Did some jail time for union activities.

I agree with your assessment of American Unions. If they were like Canadian unions, you would have a third party

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum January 28, 2014 8:46 PM  

My modest, bipartisan, common sense proposal:

Every attractive Latina who is hotter than a 7 on the 1-10 scale may stay in the United States.

Every Latino must return immediately to his country of origin, or to the nearest convenient nation south of the Rio Grande.

Todos Atractiva Latina que es más caliente que un 7 en la escala de 1 a 10 puede permanecer en los Estados Unidos.

Todos los latinos deben regresar inmediatamente a su país de origen o al país apropiado más próximo al sur del Río Grande.


If the Repugs had any guts they'd publish THAT.

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami January 28, 2014 8:50 PM  

zen0: "I can't see why Labor Unions would support this, especially during the current depression."

More immigrants = More dumbass future dues-paying members. That's how they think. To them, union membership is how you determine Good vs Evil.

Blogger James Dixon January 28, 2014 8:56 PM  

> Romneycare was not a federal program. States can do whatever they like, fine by me.

No, it wasn't. But straws show the way the wind blows. Ae you forgetting that Romney also wanted to keep "the best parts" (from memory) of Obamacare?

> Can you produce your own clothing?

Yes.

> Your own steel?

Yes, but I don't need to. There's lots around.

> Your own fuel?

Yes.

Your own tires?

Not presently.

> Your own gunpowder?

Yes.

> Your own electronics/computer/internet?

Not presently, no, and yes. But again, there are lots around.

Are you done moving the goal posts yet?

> ...then one may take this talk of "independence" seriously. But not until then.

No one cares what you take seriously or don't.

Anonymous hyperion56 January 28, 2014 9:04 PM  

Express your displeasure with the nth annual attempt at amnesty by sending a message to your congress people.

1. Using the CAPS website
Urge your member of Congress to oppose these plans for amnesty. Any legalization scheme is an amnesty, even if it does not award citizenship immediately.

http://cqrcengage.com/caps/app/write-a-letter?3&engagementId=38569

2. Using Numbers USA website (sign up to send free pre-written faxes)
http://www.numbersusa.com/

3. Contacting Congress by Phone
Call your Representative in the House toll-free at 888-995-2085 and tell him/her NO LEGALIZATION OR WORK PERMITS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Anonymous Obvious January 28, 2014 9:05 PM  

So, does the super genius have anything besides gloom to add? You keep talking about the problem.

What is the solution?

Anonymous Beau January 28, 2014 9:06 PM  

OT

Hi al, we are ready to begin the Tuesday evening prayer meeting. Anyone have a praise report of this week?

Anonymous kh123 January 28, 2014 9:07 PM  

Thus asks the rabbit while the pot is boiling; "What's for dinner?"

Anonymous kh123 January 28, 2014 9:08 PM  

...Not @ Beau.

Timing's off today.

Anonymous Porky January 28, 2014 9:13 PM  

Beau: "Anyone have a praise report of this week?"

Just heard that Pastor Saeed was brought from prison to the hospital to have his injuries addressed. He's not free yet but it's an encouraging move. Thanks Beau and everybody for your prayers. Praise God.

Anonymous zen0 January 28, 2014 9:13 PM  

@ obvious

What is the solution?

The solution is obvious, Obvious. A constitutionally based Republic, like the CIA describes the U.S.

Anonymous wcu January 28, 2014 9:15 PM  

Sgt. obvious, he's brought up numerous solutions concerning the immigration issue; no one is going to breast feed you here son...go check out his other immigration links.

Anonymous zen0 January 28, 2014 9:19 PM  

More immigrants = More dumbass future dues-paying members.

Bad analysis by them, I fear.

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union in the United States (called total labor union "density") was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. [1]

Maybe they are hiring illegals to administrate the union.
Jimmy Hoffa would be turning over in his grave, if he had one.

Anonymous fish January 28, 2014 9:23 PM  

OT but coming soon to a post near you: "If Jesus returns, kill him again."

Wow.....just stay away from his van.

Anonymous FritzG January 28, 2014 9:34 PM  

"So, does the super genius have anything besides gloom to add? You keep talking about the problem.

What is the solution? "

All sorts of solutions offered here.

My favorite is putting a bounty on the heads immigrants to get folks to turn them in and get half the fine of $50K.

But here's the thing...There's absolutely no solution offered on this thread that has any chance at all to be enacted. Let me put that another way: no solutions have been offered.

Most ideologues and extremist not only have no interest in finding solutions to a problem that will work, they are literally incapable of thinking about what might work. It's an internal issue they have the prevents them from thinking straight.

And in the end, it's why the best idea anyone seems able to muster is "lets have a revolution".....as though that's going to happen anytime soon.

Anonymous Shutup, Fritz January 28, 2014 9:40 PM  

@ FG

All sorts of solutions offered here.

Are you the CEO of a straw factory?
You seem to have access to an endless supply

Anonymous 11B January 28, 2014 9:40 PM  

2. Using Numbers USA website (sign up to send free pre-written faxes)
http://www.numbersusa.com


1) NumbersUSA is the only serious, organized effort on our side and has helped us stave off amnesty thus far by clogging phone lines, faxes, email accounts and town hall meetings.

2) Visit their site to see their informative videos. The Gumball video is really good and gives a good visual representation about how large our immigration problem is. Show these to friends or family who may not understand the issue. The troll earlier today thought Syria had more of an immigration problem than the US. In reality most Americans don't know the size of the problem. For example, do most people know that Mexico has sent more immigrants to the USA in 35 years than Germany and Ireland COMBINED in over 400?

3) If you can afford it, cough up some money to these guys. You can donate online with a credit card or paypal. You don't have to give much. Ten to twenty bucks will help if enough people do it.

I never do stuff like this or give my name. But I finally broke down last year and did. And I feel some satisfaction that we beat those bastards in 2013. I'd like to think we still can. With NumbersUSA we can all chip in a little and make a big difference.

Blogger Tom Kratman January 28, 2014 10:06 PM  

Stil:

_Clearly_ global warming was responsible for the Dahlonega Glacier.

Anonymous Josh January 28, 2014 10:09 PM  

Beau,

My brother's girlfriend just lost her grandfather today. Could you pray that God gives peace to her and her family?

Thanks

Anonymous Beau January 28, 2014 10:12 PM  

Just heard that Pastor Saeed was brought from prison to the hospital to have his injuries addressed.

Amen.

Heavenly Father, deliver Saeed, safe and sound. Free the Persians and the Kurds from Islam, use those converted in prison from Saeed's witness to the gospel. Embolden them to proclaim Jesus as Lord. Demonstrate your support from heaven as they as tell their neighbors Jesus Christ is our savior from eternal punishment. Let joy fill Iran and their surrounding nations. Father, glorify your son Jesus among the nations.

Anonymous Grinder January 28, 2014 10:39 PM  

Help to hasten the collapse of the current rotten system. Find likeminded friends. Avoid paying taxes. Ignore copyright laws. Distribute books of matches to panhandlers addicts and children. Always chew gum and leave it on pavement, public benches, mass transit, shopping malls, high end clothing shops, etc. Always scribble some offensive notes on newspapers when done reading them and leave out for others to pick up as impromptu pamphlets. Never pick up after your dog. Illegally dump your trash. Litter frequently. Clog public toilets with all the available t.p. Fight every parking ticket. Learn as much of the law as you can and make it work for you to make everyone else miserable. Become a hippie or libertarian. Quit your job or get yourself fired and collect welfare. Stop shaving, getting haircuts or bathing regularly. Cash out your bank accounts, stop conducting business using any medium of exchange except cash or barter. Become 'judgement proof' with minimal known assets in case of lawsuits.

Anonymous Beau January 28, 2014 10:43 PM  

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

Thank you Father for Frankie's eighty plus days of sobriety. Thank you for delivering her from methamphetimines and the sex trade. Thank you that this past Sunday when she was rebuked by a deacon for disturbing the service during worship singing - the pastor stopped the service, came down to her and assured Frankie her exuberant praise of Jesus was appropriate. Bless her, guard her, grow her up into the woman of God you desire to see. Praise you!

God, you specialize in the impossible, and it is marvelous in our eyes.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 28, 2014 10:55 PM  

If dozens of countries have a similar misfortune, the dreams of the opposition party in one of them probably haven't got much to do with it.

Anonymous Beau January 28, 2014 10:59 PM  

Can he who hates justice govern?
Will you condemn the just and mighty One?
Is he not the One who says to kings, ‘You are worthless,’
and to nobles, ‘You are wicked,’


Father, break the plans of the wicked and bring justice on the wings of repentance.

Anonymous Obvious January 28, 2014 11:12 PM  

zen0

"The solution is obvious, Obvious. A constitutionally based Republic, like the CIA describes the U.S."

Alright. How do we get there?

Anonymous paradox January 28, 2014 11:17 PM  

Barbarians are coming...

Anonymous Beau January 28, 2014 11:58 PM  

Could you pray that God gives peace to her and her family?

Lord Jesus, you are the Prince of Peace, reveal yourself to this grieving family. Let them here your voice amidst their sorrow. Thank you. Amen.

Anonymous lurker January 29, 2014 1:33 AM  

"There are none as such. But one may note that at this time the vast majority of immigrants to America are here for the welfare and are not here for any other reason whatsoever. One may cite "If a man does not work then neither let him eat" in opposition to an excessive welfare state. This would address the issue indirectly."

Wrong again. Read Genesis 11:1-9 Your minion masters are trying to implement Tower of Babel 2.0 or did you "forget"?

Anonymous Nice January 29, 2014 1:40 AM  

"Either I missed the email where a country's control of it's own borders became "far right" or you are a moron.

*checks spam folder*

*Nope*

Slam!

Blogger Robert What? January 29, 2014 1:45 AM  

The pro-immigration people think they are so great and noble (as long as it involves other people's money and livelihood of course). But in reality, as are most leftists, they are heartless racists. They are responsible in great part for the massive growth of the black underclass. They have been giving away the jobs that used to be done by "poor" blacks. I put "poor" in parentheses because they were still able to maintain fairly stable, lower middle class families. In recent decades that has been robbed from them by white liberals and their (Blacks) own greedy leaders. The coming immigration bill will be the final nail in the coffin of lower class Blacks, from which they will likely never recover.

Anonymous Discard January 29, 2014 2:16 AM  

Mr Nightstick: The biblical response to pro-immigration hypocrites to to shove their hypocrisy in their faces. Jesus never called rapists and murderers names, but He called hypocrites "vipers". They don't want the Mexicans in their own neighborhoods. They don't want to compete with low cost Hindu or Oriental engineers, nor do they want to send their kids to schools that have too many foreign grade grubbers. They like their diversity limited in numbers and screened for quality. For them, non-Whites are no more than ornaments that show off their own good taste.
And when somebody says the Bible commands us to take care of the stranger, ask them if it also tells us to do so at our neighbors' expense.

Anonymous 11B January 29, 2014 3:35 AM  

The biblical response to pro-immigration hypocrites to to shove their hypocrisy in their faces.

Maybe you should point out to religious folks the example of Mother Teresa. She went to Calcutta to tend to the poor. She did not bring Calcutta back to Europe. For those interested in helping the world's poor for religious reasons, nothing is stopping them from doing the same.

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2014 4:04 AM  

> There's absolutely no solution offered on this thread that has any chance at all to be enacted. Let me put that another way: no solutions have been offered.

Let me put that another way. No solution which will work will be enacted.

> Alright. How do we get there?

The same way we did the last time.

Anonymous Stilicho January 29, 2014 6:19 AM  

_Clearly_ global warming was responsible for the Dahlonega Glacier.

Indeed. That's why it's so damned funny. Just look outside. At this rate, Nate will be hunting wooly mammoths along the Gulf coast in a few years.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 29, 2014 6:38 AM  

FritzG: "But here's the thing...There's absolutely no solution offered on this thread that has any chance at all to be enacted. Let me put that another way: no solutions have been offered."

Right.

James Dixon: "Let me put that another way. No solution which will work will be enacted."

By the current political classes and the official organs of government? Sure.

The problem can't be correctly defined or constructively addressed on this blog either. We're just chatting. And that's fine. There's a place for everything.

zen0: "The solution is obvious, Obvious. A constitutionally based Republic, like the CIA describes the U.S."

Obvious: "Alright. How do we get there?"

James Dixon: "The same way we did the last time."

It would be easier to find a rich new continent or a habitable new planet than to establish all-white pilgrim colonies there.

Anonymous Chateau Heartiste Acolyte January 29, 2014 6:49 AM  

"Enjoy the decline". Nigga, please. My 401k is off the chain thanks to the rising stock market and my game has never been better with the immigrant chicks (who come to me!).

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2014 7:07 AM  

> By the current political classes and the official organs of government? Sure.

Correct. But as long as FritzG keeps up his act, it needs to be said.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus January 29, 2014 7:39 AM  

James Dixon: "Correct. But as long as FritzG keeps up his act, it needs to be said."

Good point.

But I won't say more, because at this point he can't argue back.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 29, 2014 9:22 AM  

Lawyers are contentious with each other but if you look deeper you will see a wonderful espirit de corps. For instance, a traffic judge knows when a defender is represented by a lawyer and allows the defender to avoid paying the fine. In that way the judge allows his fellow lawyer to make a living too.

In criminal cases a court appointed hack lawyer accepts a plea bargain and allows the court to get a conviction without the expense of a trial. If every case went to trial, the courts would be helplessly tied up.

I suppose the Democrats and Republicans don't want to create too much political damage. It would kill their racket.

Anonymous E. PERLINE January 29, 2014 9:36 AM  

It's possible that the Republicans see the Democrats as having become too zealous in their leadership and are afraid they will kill the racket that way. For that reason the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils

Blogger Tom Kratman January 29, 2014 9:43 AM  

"Indeed. That's why it's so damned funny. Just look outside."

OT, but I actually picked up that technique - wrapping an entire extended, even extravagent, political / philosophical sneer into a single line - from a guy, recently deceased, named Ric Locke. Ric was one of the first people to welcome me to Baen's Bar. As a young man, he paid his dues in the Navy, then went into some aspect of petro engineering, IIRC. Even after Baen asked me to write up one of his ideas, I could not get him interested in a pretty good book Ric had written, called TDY. It's available on Amazon, I think, as a download.

Anonymous Eric Ashley January 29, 2014 11:09 AM  

Discard,
There is the story Nathan the Prophet told David the King of the rich man having visitors, and instead of taking one of his own sheep for the feast, he took the lone ewe lamb, much loved, of his poor neighbour. And David says....he should die, and Nathan thunders...thou art the man!

this was with Bathsheba so I'm not sure it applies, but...

Blogger Marissa January 29, 2014 11:37 AM  

If the nullification folks were smart, they'd be getting more states to pass immigration laws like Alabama's.

It's quite possible to rid yourself of most immigrants without sending swat teams into the barrios.


Can you provide a little more info?

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey January 29, 2014 11:48 AM  

Surfing the Kali Yuga.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey January 29, 2014 12:17 PM  

Most of us know what needs to be done, but no one wants to discuss it, at least not openly.

There is opportunity in chaos.

Anonymous Discard January 29, 2014 12:21 PM  

Eric Ashley: Sure it applies. That's what parables are for. Robbing your poor neighbor in order to impress your rich friends should be punished with death.
Though I'd settle for stripping them of all legal, political and property rights.

Anonymous Steveo January 30, 2014 5:46 AM  

Your own law

How can you possibly advocate such vigilante style behavior?
/s

Comprehend much civilServant?

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