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Thursday, February 13, 2014

That's no statue, that's Mark Shea!

In which Mark Shea gets trolled so hard, it's a wonder he didn't turn to stone. You absolutely MUST read A Reader Writes of his Experience Among the Dark Enlightenment Types:
The thing about nascent movements like this is that it’s hard to know when to pay attention and when to ignore them. If you ignore them they can grow in the dark, like mushrooms on dung.  If you make too much fuss, you can attract idiots–particularly extremist idiots–who automatically assume that anything normal people find objectionable must be awesome, radical, and “not PC” and therefore good.  But of course, cannibalism is not PC either and embracing something simply and solely on the basis that it is a “reaction” is one of the stupidest things humans can do. You can’t build a life on protest and reaction.  You have to be for something, not merely against something.  And at the end of the day, the only real core of DE “thought” is to be for racialism.

Much of the stuff written above describes a sect that brings out belly laughs. Eldar? Men of Numenor?  Seriously? Tolkien would have these overgrown D and D players’ guts for garters if he heard they were exploiting his work for their deplorable cultus. Particularly since (which is my main concern about them) they are using his work as a grab bag of code words for their deep-rooted racialist heresy.

I first heard about the Dark Enlightenment (aka “Neo-Reaction” or just “Reaction”) last year, the year after I graduated from college and was interning at a conservative think tank. I briefly become involved with the Dark Enlightenment and then left the movement in disgust. Here is what I learned:
- The Dark Enlightenment is controlled by what the media call “Sith Lords”. You have more public Lords like Mencius Moldbug and Nick Land, but there are even some Lords up higher whose names are not revealed. They say the Master Lord says ‘Et Ego in Arcadia’ which is an anagram for ‘Tego Arcana Dei’ (“I hide the secrets of God”).
- But only the media call them ‘Sith Lords’. In Inner Speak, they will often use phrases like the Men of Númenor or the Eldars.
- I never met any of the higher Eldars, but I did once meet an Eldar in Training. I don’t know his real name but people called him Legolas. He had long blond hair, was dressed like a 19th century count, and wore a pendant that had both a Christian Cross and Thor’s Hammer on it.
- The movement is a weird mixture of ethno-nationalists, futurists, monarchists, PUAs (“pick-up artists” like Chateau Heartiste), Trad Catholics, Trad Protestants, etc. They all believe in HBD (what they call “human biodiversity” i.e. racism) but disagree on some other minor points.
- The religious people in the movement (both Christians and pagans) practice what is called “identitarian religion” (religion that doesn’t deny ethnic identity).
- Some of the rising stars of the Dark Enlightenment on the internet seem to be Radish Magazine, Occam’s Razor Mag, and Theden TV.
- The Dark Enlightenment allegedly has millions of dollars of money to play with. They have a couple big donors. One is rumored to be a major tech tycoon in Silicon Valley. They actually had a private 3-day meeting on an island which was furnished with a French chef, etc. Different forms of formal attire were required for each day (tuxedos, 3-piece suits, etc), and some weird costumes were required too (capes, hoods, etc) — which sound like a pagan cult. (I wasn’t at this function but heard about it.)
- I was initiated into the first stages of the Dark Enlightenment, which involved me stripping down naked so people could “inspect my phenotype”. I was then given a series of very personal questions, often relating to sexual matters. I was then told to put on a black cape. (I really regret doing this but at the time I was younger, more impressionable and eager to please.)
- For the initial oath taking, everyone must swear on a copy of Darwin’s Origin of Species, just to show their fidelity to HBD. After that, for the later oaths, seculars will swear again on Darwin, while Christians will swear on the Bible, and pagans on the Prose Edda or Iliad.
- At one of the meetings I heard someone continuously chanting “gens alba conservanda est” (Latin for “the white race must be preserved”) and then others were chanting things in Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse and Old German, but I don’t know those languages so I can’t remember exactly what they were saying.
Now that was some epic artistic cruelty, so much so that one almost suspects the dark hand of Roissy. Thank the Divine Rainbow for Mark Shea, saving the world from nonexistent movements since 2014! Then again, as a media-identified Sith Lord, perhaps that's merely what I want him to think....

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Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 9:09 AM  

bahahahahahahahahaha

Blogger El Borak February 13, 2014 9:09 AM  

Real pagans DEs would swear on Aurelius' Meditations.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 9:18 AM  

Glorious

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 9:21 AM  

The really awesome thing is that there are probably dark enlightenment bloggers out there that are now mad about not being invited to the private island because they think such a thing actually exists.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 13, 2014 9:21 AM  

That's not a troll, that's a strawman. The whole thing is a stage set. The media is setting up a giant strawman for the right.

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 13, 2014 9:23 AM  

Once Mark Shea has decided he doesn't like something, any old stick will do. Whoever wrote that knew exactly how to push all of his buttons. It isn't often I actually laugh out loud when reading something on the internet. Well played, to whoever wrote that.

And I still have no idea who Nick Land is.

Blogger CarpeOro February 13, 2014 9:23 AM  

"These are not the Eldar you are looking for."
"Move along."

Anonymous Aeoli Pera February 13, 2014 9:23 AM  

Not the "right" as in Republicans, mind, but rather the marginalized, fractious mess of freethinkers.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 9:26 AM  

A Reader should have a monument dedicated to him in the Trolls section of ED.

Anonymous MikeAsunov February 13, 2014 9:31 AM  

Vox has gone Cathedral

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 9:33 AM  

For the record I can totally see Vox hanging out in tuxedos and capes and stuff.

Blogger buzzardist February 13, 2014 9:34 AM  

This is going to turn into the mother of all conspiracy theories. Pretty soon he's going to have you in bed with the Bilderbergers, flying around in black helicopters, and secretly responsible for both 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination(s).

What's especially rich is the "I met this person, but I don't know his name or anything about him" evidence offered for this. Either this Shea guy is just making crap up, trying to troll everyone else, or he got dragged into one of the grandest pranks I've ever seen.

Anonymous Max February 13, 2014 9:36 AM  

And I still have no idea who Nick Land is.

That's an error worth correcting. Bookmark his blog here: http://www.xenosystems.net/

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 9:37 AM  

GUYS THE DARK ENLIGHTENMENT IS REALLY A ZIONIST PSYOPS CAMPAIGN USING BLOWN COVER AS COVER TO CREATE A FALSE FRONT OPPOSITION TO THE BANKER ELITE!

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 9:41 AM  

There is no reason to ever read Nick Land.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 9:47 AM  

DE/Neoreactionaies just a bunch of dorks who take their Twitter seriously. "Yay democracy and. leftism sux, lets jerk off to Moldbug." Amusing to watch them purge each other based on purity tests. They are like Objectivists... but less merry.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2014 9:47 AM  

Ha, that's excellent. I was confused at first, because the quoted article was so over the top that I assumed the article itself was a parody, someone pretending to be Mark Shea. Then I saw his picture in the right sidebar, and gradually realized he actually wrote it. Wow.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 9:51 AM  

Exactly, xxx

I expect 2014 to be the year the dark enlightenment collapses into a farce of internet show trials and accusations of "no true dark enlightenmentist"

Anonymous Salt February 13, 2014 9:53 AM  

They actually had a private 3-day meeting on an island

There has to be more to the story. [wink wink] Jekyll Island anyone? Wonder how Janet Yellen looks in a cape, and the four bankers were all ritual "suicides," having once sworn on a copy of a Samuelson Econ 101 textbook. Think the 1% own 80% of the Dark?

Anonymous Brother Thomas February 13, 2014 9:54 AM  

"...But of course, cannibalism is not PC either..."


Oh, not yet. Give them time.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 9:57 AM  

"I expect 2014 to be the year the dark enlightenment collapses into a farce of internet show trials and accusations of "no true dark enlightenmentist""

I don't know which will be more awesome... this... or the T Wars

Blogger Markku February 13, 2014 10:02 AM  

The obvious next step is to hire Jamie and do a fake Alex Jones Bohemian Grove -type exposé video of these cloaked activities.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 10:02 AM  

OK Nate... I might regret asking, but what are the T Wars?

Blogger Cinco February 13, 2014 10:04 AM  

Not "ritual suicides", ritual sacrifices.

Blogger IM2L844 February 13, 2014 10:12 AM  

There has to be more to the story.

Quirky kids sometimes grow up to be raging psychopaths. Keeping an eye on all this silliness might not be a complete waste of time.

Anonymous Stilicho February 13, 2014 10:20 AM  

That was... enlightening

Anonymous ivvenalis February 13, 2014 10:21 AM  

Wow...I am dying here. I really hope whoever wrote this fesses up.

Anonymous Krul February 13, 2014 10:23 AM  

Who wants to inspect my phenotype?

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 10:24 AM  

Apparently the only true "no true dark enlightenmentist" is a WASP.

The whole group (tiny in size) is an unstable mix of atheists, Catholics, transhumanists, Jews and monarchists...

The ironic part is their common blood and employment-levels (unemployed to mid-level IT) put them squarely in the peasant class.

These are peasant stableboys and Jewish shopkeepers pretending to be kings on Twitter.

Anonymous cheddarman February 13, 2014 10:24 AM  

For the record I can totally see Vox hanging out in tuxedos and capes and stuff. - Nate

Nate, the British would call that a sign of good breeding

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 10:24 AM  

Rycamor,

Transgendered feminists vs Cisgendered feminists

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 13, 2014 10:26 AM  

Fantastic! Well done to whoever penned this. It makes Shea look like a fat fool. Or, a mushroom on dung. lolz

If only much of what the article says about the DE were true...

Check out the comments section, in particular the comments of "HornOrSilk". If these pompous pricks represent the Christian spirit, count me out.

This is almost as much fun as trolling the Libertarian nerds.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 10:27 AM  

"OK Nate... I might regret asking, but what are the T Wars?"

Feminism is made up of various groups that don't actually agree on everything. Lesbians for example do not consider Transvestites women at all.

and epic feud is coming between the two groups. It has been going on for a few years but its most obvious result was the brief Twitter Wars skirmish. many of us think 2014 is going to be the year of the big blow up between the two factions.

How far the schism goes will have some serious effects. The fact is it could destroy the whole liberal coalition... and therefore the whole democratic party. I do believe that it is the mechanism that will bring the party down.. but I don't necessarily think this is The Big One.

It could be though.

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 13, 2014 10:30 AM  

These are peasant stableboys and Jewish shopkeepers pretending to be kings on Twitter.

Why do the shopkeepers have to be Jewish, you raciss?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 10:35 AM  

"How far the schism goes will have some serious effects. The fact is it could destroy the whole liberal coalition... and therefore the whole democratic party. I do believe that it is the mechanism that will bring the party down.. but I don't necessarily think this is The Big One"

Is this something that is in honor of the silliness embedded in this particular post? I have to ask...because, this entire post and the comments are indicative of fun and games.

Blogger Manuel February 13, 2014 10:38 AM  

I love how at the end he turns into the Pope to warn Catholics not to go near that "stuff." What would I do without auto-Popes telling me what to click on?

Blogger agraves February 13, 2014 10:43 AM  

Vox, you lost me with this rap on the DE. Coming from someone who writes such important books about witches, elves, warlocks, etc. you surely are connected to reality in powerful ways that the DE is missing.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 10:48 AM  

"Is this something that is in honor of the silliness embedded in this particular post?"

no. it is not.

Very few see what's happening. I am not surprised you don't. the democratic party is actually infected with a very similar cancer to that of the libertarian movement. The ideology is both infinitely strict and yet contradictory.

They will tear themselves limb from limb.

Its already starting.

Anonymous Max February 13, 2014 10:51 AM  

There is no reason to ever read Nick Land.

lol wut

How came you by this assessment?

Anonymous Max February 13, 2014 10:53 AM  

DE/Neoreactionaies just a bunch of dorks who take their Twitter seriously. "Yay democracy and. leftism sux, lets jerk off to Moldbug." Amusing to watch them purge each other based on purity tests. They are like Objectivists... but less merry.

What . . . the fuck? "purge each other"? "purity tests"? I'm having difficulty imagining how badly you must have misunderstood the post you're commenting on in order to think this comment made any sense whatsoever.

Anonymous Daniel February 13, 2014 10:54 AM  

The troll's name was...Adam Lanza. Now you know...the rest of the story.

Anonymous E. PERLINE February 13, 2014 10:54 AM  

I graduated Alexander Hamilton High School in Brooklyn NY in 1940. It was a school for music and art majors. (Yes, they had such schools even then.) Some classmate geniuses invented worlds I can still remember and this current blog brought back memories. I guess there are patterns to human development.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 10:57 AM  

"the democratic party is actually infected with a very similar cancer to that of the libertarian movement. The ideology is both infinitely strict and yet contradictory. "

Interesting. The "strictness" is what's new then? Consider the New Deal coalition in the 1930s... surely it was more contradictory back then with Southern Democrats marching with Jewish Communist Party members, trade and craft unionists marching with Wall Street bankers like Joseph Kennedy, all to support an aristocratic WASP?

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 10:57 AM  

"Its already starting.

Nate: Where and how?

Anonymous Max February 13, 2014 10:57 AM  

Apparently the only true "no true dark enlightenmentist" is a WASP.

The whole group (tiny in size) is an unstable mix of atheists, Catholics, transhumanists, Jews and monarchists...

The ironic part is their common blood and employment-levels (unemployed to mid-level IT) put them squarely in the peasant class.

These are peasant stableboys and Jewish shopkeepers pretending to be kings on Twitter.


Christ Almighty.

I am a WASP. It's true that I'm "unemployed," but I also have an eight-figure net worth, so the label is kind of misleading. And I am not on twitter.

I've had Vox Day and Alpha Game bookmarked for the better part of a year, but I've never spent much time reading the comments before. I'm beginning to suspect that this was a wise decision.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 13, 2014 10:58 AM  

"They are like Objectivists... but less merry."

Must take lots of happy pills to prevent their mass suicide......

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 10:59 AM  

"Interesting. The "strictness" is what's new then?"

yep. back then they knew they hated each other and it was ok... because Wallet.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 10:59 AM  

"What . . . the fuck?"

Michael Anissimov vs. Roosh.

Sorry to crush all your hopes...

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 11:00 AM  

Max... You appear to be mighty enthusiastic. You may consider settling down before this goes really bad.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 11:01 AM  

Max...

You should probably read twitter if you want a fucking clue about DE.

It's not my fault you are butt ignorant.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 13, 2014 11:01 AM  

@Max: So, are you a High Eldar or just in training? What is your phenotype rating?

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 11:06 AM  

"Nate: Where and how?"

Like I said last years "twitter wars" were the most visible aspect of it so far. Another example would be when Scalzi was doing his "Look at me in a dress" thing and some of the T-types started asking what was funny about a man in a dress. Note how fast Scalzi started back peddling and stumbling.

So basically right now you have the True Lesbian fascists that assert that only genetic women are women... and you have the trans that are considerably butthurt by the lesbians saying they aren't real women and refusing to have sex with them.

I wish I could say this was something out of a parody but its a very real potential shit storm that absolutely has the power to destroy the whole feminist movement.

Anonymous Salt February 13, 2014 11:10 AM  

the lesbians saying they aren't real women and refusing to have sex with them.

It's the No Twue Lesbian Phallacy

Blogger flambeaux February 13, 2014 11:10 AM  

The line about having his phenotype inspected was the absolute best. I can't stop snickering.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 11:11 AM  

"I wish I could say this was something out of a parody but its a very real potential shit storm that absolutely has the power to destroy the whole feminist movement."

A "twitter war" and a blog post by a sci fi writer? Take down the democratic party? An "Epic Feud?"

OK.... Let me know when the transgender community starts challenging liberal representatives from the left and take over the Democratic Party. Am I safe to hold my breath?

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 11:12 AM  

Lol, trying to distance yourself from these nerds before they really get painted with the shit brush eh?

It's a credit to your slimy political sense but you're right in the thick of this, and so is Roissy, who's boasted about this dork enlightenment.

Well, if the shit hits the fan you can always slither off stage and jump in with the tea baggers as one of their nuttier Christian brothers.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 11:14 AM  

I find it encouraging that Shea admits that recognizing racial differences, "racialism", is heresy. They've begun to use DE terms to define themselves and their worldview. He is the modern equivalent of the witch hunter. He mans a lonely outpost on the outskirts of Liberaldom, keeping his eyes trained on the surrounding darkness, watching for any signs of movement. He's starting to sound the alarm, but he's not sure what he is seeing in the thick primordial mysteriousness that exists outside the Cathedral. He's telling himself that its only extremist half-wits playing dungeons and dragons in the mist, because the alternative is unthinkable.

If the Dark Enlightenment IS real, IS growing and IS mounting ideological probing attacks against the very exposed walls of the Cathedral, then it means that the war is not yet over. It means that the current Reign of Liberaldom does NOT in fact represent the End of History, but just another chapter to be swept away by the waves of what comes next. And he shivers at the thought, because he knows there are few hard men left willing to defend the Cathedral walls. They thought they had won the war and ended History, so they no longer needed real men or nations of men. And so their empire, built upon pretty lies crafted by power-mad sociopaths, sits exposed, guarded only by a misfit battalion of fags, feminists and white knights.

I raise my glass with a toast, Long Live History. May it continue to write new chapters in time. May it continue to reward those men able to discern, acknowledge and speak the truth amid the cries of heresy. Because they will be the co-authors of the next chapter in History.

Blogger Harold Carper February 13, 2014 11:15 AM  

Max, the troll is strong today. Gale force, at least.

Blogger Markku February 13, 2014 11:16 AM  

I love how at the end he turns into the Pope to warn Catholics not to go near that "stuff."

Getting the victim to run to the Pope for help: Trolling win.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 11:21 AM  

avert your precious eyes, Stanley and Max:

https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/430885003551993856

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/431428429188042752

https://twitter.com/PlayDangerously/status/430913128725897217

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 11:24 AM  

"A "twitter war" and a blog post by a sci fi writer? Take down the democratic party? An "Epic Feud?""

No. That is not an Epic Feud. And if you would bother reading you would see that I said it hasn't happened it. I said it is starting to happen. IE... the cracks are formed and are showing signs of growing.

The fact that you think it ends with trans candidates running in primaries indicates a superficial level of political acumen.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 11:24 AM  

Nate February 13, 2014 11:06 AM
I wish I could say this was something out of a parody but its a very real potential shit storm that absolutely has the power to destroy the whole feminist movement.


Indeed. The identity politicists are reaching their Malthusian moment when they realize there is no more Patriarchy/Normalism to feed on, so they are beginning to turn on each other. It is breaking down into ever smaller subgroups who differentiate themselves by whatever inane eccentricity or fetish they have decided is Theirs and Theirs Alone, and Not for Anyone Else to Touch, Yet which must be Celebrated and Validated by All.

I say encourage them. It'll be pure comedy.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 11:25 AM  

"If the Dark Enlightenment IS real, IS growing and IS mounting ideological probing attacks against the very exposed walls of the Cathedral, then it means that the war is not yet over. "

/facepalm

Shut up.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 11:28 AM  

"The fact that you think it ends with trans candidates running in primaries indicates a superficial level of political acumen. "

I'm just asking or a little more evidence of how this could "destroy the whole liberal coalition... and therefore the whole democratic party."

I know Twitter is popular. And I know Scalzi has issues, but these are the flash points that will destroy the liberal coalition and the democratic party?? Gender issues? You've got more than this don't you?

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 11:31 AM  

Tad alert.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 11:32 AM  

Gender issues are only a part of the whole problem of liberal outrage. Liberal outrage (which is what the whole schtick desperately relies on) depends on a Them to be outraged against. What do they do when there is no more Them? "Them" is slowly but surely going Galt, if you know what I mean.

Anonymous Salt February 13, 2014 11:33 AM  

I'm just asking or a little more evidence of how this could "destroy the whole liberal coalition... and therefore the whole democratic party."

The Democratic Party has achieved so much of their broad based goals. What's beginning to be seen is the fighting over the leftover table scraps. These scraps are majorily important to the various factions, and some of them hate each other.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 13, 2014 11:37 AM  

Dark Enlightenment = Kings-beyond-the-Wall

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 11:37 AM  

"The Democratic Party has achieved so much of their broad based goals. What's beginning to be seen is the fighting over the leftover table scraps. These scraps are majorily important to the various factions, and some of them hate each other."

Not really, there are a number of issues that the Democratic party is focused on that are very unlikely to be derailed by a "gender war" or any other kind of internal war: The divide between rich and poor; taxes, immigration, military reform, gun control, gay rights, infrastructure improvement..etc, etc, etc.

Which of these issue will be derailed by a internal "gender war"?

Anonymous Porky February 13, 2014 11:44 AM  

I swear upon the mighty Iliad!!

...gens alba conservanda est...gens alba conservanda est...gens alba conservanda est...

Oh Brave and Powerful Darwin, I shall avenge ye!!


hahahahahah!





Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 11:48 AM  

The Faithful Tad is too Obvious in his trolling... don't feed it.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 11:53 AM  

"I know Twitter is popular. And I know Scalzi has issues, but these are the flash points that will destroy the liberal coalition and the democratic party?? Gender issues? You've got more than this don't you?"

The amusing thing is... that in times of economic collapse... you think it takes more than that.

Anonymous Stilicho February 13, 2014 11:54 AM  

Not really, there are a number of issues that the Democratic party is focused on that are very unlikely to be derailed by a "gender war" or any other kind of internal war: The divide between rich and poor; taxes, immigration, military reform, gun control, gay rights, infrastructure improvement..etc, etc, etc.

The Democratic party has one and only one issue: welfare for its constituent groups. This is the common element that defines all of those "issues" you listed. Everything it does is to feed the beasts and they're always hungry. If they get hungry enough, they'll attack each other.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 11:58 AM  

The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 11:37 AM

"The Democratic Party has achieved so much of their broad based goals. What's beginning to be seen is the fighting over the leftover table scraps. These scraps are majorily important to the various factions, and some of them hate each other."

Not really, there are a number of issues that the Democratic party is focused on that are very unlikely to be derailed by a "gender war" or any other kind of internal war: The divide between rich and poor; taxes, immigration, military reform, gun control, gay rights, infrastructure improvement..etc, etc, etc.

Which of these issue will be derailed by a internal "gender war"?


As I said, gender is only part of outraged identity politics, but let's have a stab here:

- Liberal males clamoring for gun control will be absolutely hated by the subgroup of feminists who want guns to protect them from evil rapist males. And yes, they exist.
- Rich vs poor--Gays and lesbians tend to come from the upper-middle class. Just watch their horror as the lower-class liberals gradually disown them. Especially as they are gradually replaced by immigrants with low tolerance for that sort of thing.
- Taxes? The squabbles over what the taxes should to toward are inextricably tied into gender wars.
- Military reform? Oh my aching sides... you don't think the libs will fight among themselves over just how the army should be extended to embrace the gays, the transgendered, the Furries, and cross-dressing sci-fi authors?
- Infrastructure improvement? Libs have no clue what is involved in engineering anything, so... not even an issue. Pie in the sky promises until the money runs out, and then...? You don't say there will be fights over whether infrastructure should support multigendered public bathrooms and the like?

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 11:59 AM  

Infrastructure improvement ... says the atheist queer. Yeah, that's why the blue collar white guys got purged out.

Anonymous CX February 13, 2014 12:03 PM  

Bwahaha... gotta love living, breathing self-parodies.

Godwin's Law ftw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Anonymous bob k. mando February 13, 2014 12:05 PM  

Nate February 13, 2014 11:06 AM
that absolutely has the power to destroy the whole feminist movement.



it would only have the power to destroy the Feminist movement if feminism was about equality.

also, if intellectual coherence meant much to Feminists.

neither of these conditions are true. in fact, both are much closer to inversions of reality.

trans- are a vanishingly small proportion of the population and NEVER WERE part of the 'sisterhood' ( being, by definition, defective men trans- are instinctually despised by women ). so when push comes to shove, i've no doubt that the vast majority of women will have no problem kicking them in the teeth.

Female Solipsism + Female Imperative == ?


now, the whole Liberal Coalition tearing itself apart? that's an entirely different ball of wax.

sure, i could see the Trans/Queer wing going to war against the Feminists.

i think it more likely that the racialist splits are going to rip the party apart first though.

you would think Labor would recognize illegals for the threat they actually are but ... that ability to recognize reality has been indoctrinated out of them.

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 12:10 PM  

And here we are:

https://twitter.com/MikeAnissimov/status/433852262104838144

Michael Anissimov‏@MikeAnissimov
Some SWPL ideas are totally consistent with reactionary thought. Localism, organic food, urban farming, etc.

https://twitter.com/MikeAnissimov/status/433853735928750080

Michael Anissimov‏@MikeAnissimov
1. deproletize the worker and give him joint ownership of corporations, 2. deindustrialize to a certain degree, 3. large public projects.


Anonymous Anti-Constitution Monarchist February 13, 2014 12:13 PM  

Why is VD even considered a "neo-reactionary" anyway? We don't need more Miseans.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 12:25 PM  

The Dark Enlightenment has legs. Squabbles among the reactionaries are normal for a group at this early stage of development. A group Forms, Storms, Norms and finally Performs. The DE is clearly at the early stage of development. And these dark enlightenment "leaders" are not so much leading as describing what is happening organically. The current system is no longer loyal to men or to my race. This has consequences because the men of my race keep the lights on in the West. The DE commentariat are modern heretics because they are saying that there is no such thing as equality, which is the equivalent of saying the earth is not flat 600 years ago. They are simply pointing out a fact, a very contentious fact, which alone accounts for much of the squabbling. Yet, there it is, the telescope aiming at the stars, proving what the heretics say is true. 25 years from now, if anyone is left, they will chuckle at the very idea of equality.

Conversely, the splintering squabbles on the Left are indicative of their group falling apart. It represents decay and debilitating friction. They have been performing as a team for decades and now they are not. Trans or Cisgender infighting is a side show. The real splintering of the left is occurring around race. I especially enjoy seeing the SWPL liberals thrown under the bus by their faithful colored companions as they gain power. Now that we have the balkanized racial landscape white liberals worked so hard to achieve in white nations, they will be shown the door by their former pets. Their shocked expressions are priceless as they are deposed and replaced by those they worked so hard to empower.

Anti-racism is a code-word for anti-white. Diversity is a code-word for white genocide.

Anonymous Harsh February 13, 2014 12:27 PM  

I've had Vox Day and Alpha Game bookmarked for the better part of a year, but I've never spent much time reading the comments before. I'm beginning to suspect that this was a wise decision.

Yep. Sensitive types don't do well down here in the shit.

Anonymous Harsh February 13, 2014 12:31 PM  

Interesting article. It's hard to believe that anyone would fall for such an obvious troll, but I guess people love their narratives. In any case they would know it's a troll if they knew the first rule of Dark Enlightenment: You do not talk about Dark Enlightenment!

Anonymous Saruman February 13, 2014 12:32 PM  

sorry you SWPL Cathedral types here at Vox Day are scared of the DE... you phony "conservatives" will be exposed for frauds.

Anonymous the bandit February 13, 2014 12:33 PM  

> the equivalent of saying the earth is not flat 600 years ago

Pet peeve: Implying that most people thought the Earth was flat 600 years ago is the equivalent of saying the earth is flat today. It's a myth that was built to further the erroneous idea of historical progression of society which you are supposedly wise about.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 13, 2014 12:33 PM  

Who's in charge of the uniforms? I'm thinking something in black with scarlet piping and silver buttons. And a fez.

Anonymous JC February 13, 2014 12:39 PM  

Darth Vox. LORD Vox.
He can kill you with a single thought.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 13, 2014 12:46 PM  

The "strictness" is what's new then?

Sure - all they know how to do is steal other people's money, and now that they've stolen nearly all of it, the only people left to steal from is each other.

Likewise,the only thing they want to do is boss other people around and they've pretty much succeeded in bossing everybody outside their group around, so the only ones left to boss around are each other.

Day 1: Two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch
Day 2: Two wolves voting on lunch...

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 12:46 PM  

'it would only have the power to destroy the Feminist movement if feminism was about equality."

we're talking in terms of politics not philosophy mate. feminist philosophy never needed destroying. It never amounted to more than ugly girl envy.

Anonymous redpill so wow February 13, 2014 12:49 PM  

Doesn't Vox brag about walking around town dressed in black, wearing sunglasses and not talking to anyone? Now he's too cool for the DE? What are we not Neo enough for him?

Anonymous kh123 February 13, 2014 12:52 PM  

"It's the No Twue Lesbian Phallacy"

Otherwise known as the Cool Ranch Trilemma.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 12:52 PM  

Stanley, define white. Define white genocide.

Thanks.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 12:54 PM  

Also can you DE idiots stop using that stupid Cathedral nonsense?

Anonymous institute of economic understanding February 13, 2014 12:58 PM  


I agree with many views of the 'dark enlightenment' except that trying to replace the government isn't the best approach. The system we have now is actually pretty good at rewarding success and talent, especially compared to other countries; furthermore, we don't really live in a democracy, so there really isn't anything to replace. Steven Pinker refutes tabula rasa - that everyone is a blank slate, and uneven outcomes in life (winners vs losers) are the result of environmental factors (racism/discrimination), instead innate qualities such as genes. The modern liberal approach of forcing equal outcomes through welfare programs, taxation, interest rate hikes, and regulation are counterproductive in contrast to the classical liberal approach of equal opportunity in a meritocracy.

Anonymous WinstonWebb February 13, 2014 12:59 PM  

JC February 13, 2014 12:39 PM

Darth Vox. LORD Vox.
He can kill you with a single thought.


Do rabbits actually hear "The Imperial March" when they read His Lordship's posts?

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 13, 2014 12:59 PM  

Does any of the other Ilk get the feeling that Moldbug is just someone poorly ripping off old Wheeler rants from back in the Haloscan days?
Because it sorta reads that way.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 1:00 PM  

"Conversely, the splintering squabbles on the Left are indicative of their group falling apart"

When were their NOT squabbles on the left? And show me this splintering that is tearing the party apart. ARe you referring to the "twitter war" or John Scalzi wearing a dress?

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:01 PM  

Wheeler with a dash of Mises and Rothbard, Huck. Plus Thomas Carlyle.

Of course the moron can't say anything without using ten thousand words to say it.

Anonymous Crispy February 13, 2014 1:01 PM  

One hopeful sign of Progressive implosion: the reactions to dream gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis, who has recently supported open-carry of firearms, and whose walk-back of her famed opposition to 20-week abortion restrictions prompted Amynda to re-spin it in a Slate article.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 1:08 PM  

> It's a myth that was built to further the erroneous idea of historical progression of society which you are supposedly wise about.

Pet peeve: persons who attempt to invalidate an argument without referring to or responding to its central thesis.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:11 PM  

"When were their NOT squabbles on the left? And show me this splintering that is tearing the party apart. ARe you referring to the "twitter war" or John Scalzi wearing a dress?"

we're referring to pattern recognition you blithering moron. What's happening with the lesbians and the trannies is mirrored racial side of things. Not to mention you have the union guys looking increasingly uncomfortable at literally everyone.

You're like a child wandering in the woods proclaiming that the storm isn't coming because its not raining right now.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:12 PM  

and am I the only one that thinks a movement involving a neo-catholic element shouldn't be referring to The Enemy as the cathedral?

Blogger Beefy Levinson February 13, 2014 1:17 PM  

I thought "the Cube" (as in a Borg Cube) was a better name for what we currently call the Cathedral. It better captures their desire to destroy our culture and our souls.

Anonymous Stilicho February 13, 2014 1:17 PM  

Of course the moron can't say anything without using ten thousand words to say it.

If Moldbug ever hooks up with the mid-witted blogger over at FOFOA, the internet will run out of bytes.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2014 1:17 PM  

> Also can you DE idiots stop using that stupid Cathedral nonsense?

But, but... It worked so well for Eric Raymond.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:18 PM  

Y'all should stop using The Cathedral.

It's possibly the most ridiculous and silly term you could possibly use.

Anonymous Stilicho February 13, 2014 1:19 PM  

Nate February 13, 2014 1:12 PM

and am I the only one that thinks a movement involving a neo-catholic element shouldn't be referring to The Enemy as the cathedral?

Beefy Levinson February 13, 2014 1:17 PM

I thought "the Cube" (as in a Borg Cube) was a better name for what we currently call the Cathedral. It better captures their desire to destroy our culture and our souls.


Just call it the Hive or the Collective if you need a moniker.

Anonymous Jack Amok February 13, 2014 1:20 PM  

dream gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis...whose walk-back of her famed opposition to 20-week abortion restrictions ...

Oh, so she's making fun of her opponent's wheelchair again.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:20 PM  

Hey maybe Moldbug is the "another" in FOFOA.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey February 13, 2014 1:21 PM  

I've suggested the Hive, the Temple, and the Synagogue as alternatives.

A more accurate description, I think, of our adversaries.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 1:23 PM  

< And show me this splintering that is tearing the party apart

The splinters can be found in the asses of liberal white politicians who are shown the door as soon as non-whites become a majority in any given area.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/230761041.html

" Warsame secured 64 percent of first-place votes for the Sixth Ward seat. He defeated 12-year Council Member Robert Lilligren, a member of the White Earth Band of Ojibwe who strove to show that he could connect with East African voters even if he didn’t share the same cultural background."

Enjoy the Diversity Minneapolis.

And of course there is also this trend of cities, once overwhelmed and destroyed by their black populations and politicians, inviting whitey back in to try and fix things.

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2013/11/didnt-majority-black-gary-indiana.html

Anonymous patrick kelly February 13, 2014 1:23 PM  

"racialist heresy"... heh, funny stuff.

Let DE raise it's flag high with an image of the noble Boogie Snipe !!


Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 1:24 PM  

"You're like a child wandering in the woods proclaiming that the storm isn't coming because its not raining right now."

Maybe, but you might consider the possibility that you are investing way much meaning into a "Twitter War" and John Scalzi's dress and not noticing that the implications of these things have in fact not risen so far as to have any meaning whatsoever for the Democratic party. Because they have not. There is a weird degree of wishful thinking going on here. You see a storm coming because you had a particularly vivid dream. That's not the best source of informatino for predictive success.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:25 PM  

"The splinters can be found in the asses of liberal white politicians who are shown the door as soon as non-whites become a majority in any given area."

Hey dumbass... Stormfront is over there...

Anonymous patrick kelly February 13, 2014 1:25 PM  

Beware the Jabberwocky !!! Oh nooos........ ephalunts and woozelezesses !!

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:26 PM  

For all you moron moldbuggers, listen up.

We don't want to be part of your gay little club.

Every single thing you're talking about we've already been taking about for almost a decade.

You're like idiot teenagers who think you've just discovered sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2014 1:26 PM  

"sorry you SWPL Cathedral types here at Vox Day are scared of the DE... you phony "conservatives" will be exposed for frauds."

Uh oh. Here comes the Scanners headsplode.
Tell me though...will we "rue the day?" I really want to rue the day.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:29 PM  

"Maybe, but you might consider the possibility that you are investing way much meaning into a "Twitter War" and John Scalzi's dress and not noticing that the implications of these things have in fact not risen so far as to have any meaning whatsoever for the Democratic party."

And housing prices can never go down... and the Dow is at a perpetual all time high.

You literally don't grasp the situation at all.

it has nothing to do with my wants or dreams. I'd prefer the democratic party to stay intact as there is very little reason to expect the things that replace it won't be much.. much worse.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:29 PM  

No one is scared of the DE...in fact...we're taking great pleasure in laughing at it

Anonymous Daniel February 13, 2014 1:31 PM  

Nate's right about the dems - it can be boiled down to Team Clinton despising, and being willing to murder when necessary, Team Liberal...and having the capacity to do it, at least politically.

For now. But times have changed. There are real idiots taking over grassroots stuff who actually, every day, believe the claptrap that got them there. Normal people find them to be fairly...gamma. This one isn't going to end well. What the Clintons are banking on is that white people haven't moved further to the right, when they have...and that white liberals still have the lions share of the political heft, when they don't.

So they are weaker, and more vulnerable to two-side attack, which means the fighting will be more bitter than just some mur-suicides and sex scandals.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:31 PM  

"Every single thing you're talking about we've already been taking about for almost a decade."

This. 1000 times.. This.

The biggest issue I have with DE is the one unpardonable sin. Its boring as hell.

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:35 PM  

Lol, "we've been at this for 10 years and gotten nowhere". If that won't show em who's boss nothing will.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:38 PM  

Define "gotten nowhere"

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:39 PM  

"This. 1000 times... This"

Do you realize how homosexual this sounds? This is how girls on Tumblr talk.

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:42 PM  

Define "gotten nowhere"

Bitching on the internet for a decade...and still bitching. Meanwhile in the real world nobody gives a shit. That's your life going nowhere.

Anonymous Anonymous February 13, 2014 1:42 PM  

The DE talk puts me in mind of the young guy who reads Atlas Shrugged, joins the Objectivists, and thinks they're going to win the next election and turn the country around. The new truth that he's discovered just seems so obvious and game-changing to him that he can't understand that most people have already looked at it and either rejected it or incorporated it into their worldview, so his little addition to the "movement" isn't going to cause so much as a ripple.

Apparently the DE includes people who are so excited about it that they'll show up on strange blogs just to call people names for not respecting it properly, plus people who are members without even knowing what it is. Not sure what that means, but it's funny.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 1:42 PM  

< Stanley, define white. Define white genocide.

Josh, for a definition of white, simply ask your average black man, jew or hispanic to define their people. Then substitute the word white where appropriate.

The legal definition of genocide per the UN is listed below. Now consider the enablers of the massive demographic changing non-white immigration policies enforced in white nations and their optimistic projections into the future where there will be no white people left.

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

And a brief video example of a policy advocate pushing for white genocide:

http://youtu.be/FEp1YiSw3Z4

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:44 PM  

By the way, I don't know if anyone's ever told you this but "Josh" is weak, faggy name. Sorry bro.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 13, 2014 1:44 PM  

Do you realize how homosexual this sounds? This is how girls on Tumblr talk

This is funny coming from someone who uses "Lol" so casually.

Anonymous Logo February 13, 2014 1:44 PM  

These are peasant stableboys and Jewish shopkeepers pretending to be kings on Twitter.

I've never seen one of the DE proponents give any indication that he is a stableboy. Where are you getting this from, xxx? Nor am I aware of any "Jewish shopkeepers" affiliated with the movement. Do you actually know of any DEers who have claimed to be "Jewish shopkeepers"? Lastly, I am not aware of anyone affiliated with DE pretending to be a king, on twitter or elsewhere.

There would have to be at least two people "pretending to be kings" somewhere out there for this statement to be true. Where are these people, pretending to be kings, xxx? Have you actually read these twitter posts in question? Can you link them? Or are they products of your own imagination?

Also, you imply that all these things are representative of DEers. Can you actually demonstrate the deduction of this conclusion, or are you just jumping to it? Are you taking the genus "Dark Enlightenment proponents", and searching through the species, finding some flaw present in some of them, and then claiming that flaw must be present in all of them? Are you claiming that whatever is common to some species of a genus must be common to them all? That, as I'm sure you know, is false.

Did you make all this stuff up, to try and call up ideas with relatively negative mental associations ("peasant" "boys" "shopkeepers" "pretending"), to imply that the negative qualities associated with them are also true of the DE proponents? That would be deception. Are you a deceiver, xxx?

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:45 PM  

That's a nonsensical definition of white.

Regarding genocide, where are a, b, c, d, or e happening today?

Anonymous patrick kelly February 13, 2014 1:45 PM  

Poor Nate, someone called him gay.......next they'll accuse him of kissing Glocks....or threaten not to have sex with him......

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2014 1:47 PM  

> That's your life going nowhere.

Dream on.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:47 PM  

"Poor Nate, someone called him gay.......next they'll accuse him of kissing Glocks....or threaten not to have sex with him......"

i really don't know how I'm going to stand it... I sound gay! oh noes! and I've gotten no where in the last ten years!

Because your life is defined by what you talk about on the internets!

The trolls used to be better that this.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 1:48 PM  

My life is going nowhere?

Damn, I'm so crushed. How am I supposed to keep on going?

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:51 PM  

Poor Nate, someone called him gay.......next they'll accuse him of kissing Glocks....or threaten not to have sex with him......

Next thing you know he'll be shoving dildos up his ass. It's a slippery slope (no pun intended).

Anonymous Eldar Legolas February 13, 2014 1:52 PM  

That peasant shall pay for revealing our secrets. He will pay in blood! I will turn him over to our most vicious enforcer, Faramir. And Faramir has a lot of bottled up rage to work out over what Peter Jackson did to him.

Anonymous I Was Cool In High School February 13, 2014 1:52 PM  

How am I supposed to keep on going?

Don't?

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 1:54 PM  

> Hey dumbass... Stormfront is over there...

Hey Nate, I've actually never been on StormFront, but I do participate in these two sites below which are doing something besides bitching. They are helping to change the narrative about race. They are teaching my race how to defend itself by staying on a consistent message. That message is white genocide and how to stop it.

http://whiterabbitradio.net/

http://www.whitakeronline.org

and another video of a Harvard professor advocating the genocide of white people:
http://youtu.be/q90kmUbEv7c

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:55 PM  

Stanley...

you bore the shit out of me.

Anonymous Sigyn February 13, 2014 1:56 PM  

Do rabbits actually hear "The Imperial March" when they read His Lordship's posts?

I doubt it. They probably hear something from the Ring Cycle or maybe Schubert.

...Oh, you weren't talking about my husband. You confused me.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 1:56 PM  

Hey, Josh its not my fault you can't figure it out. It makes not difference to me if you figure it out. Most people can and that's all that matters.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 1:57 PM  

"Next thing you know he'll be shoving dildos up his ass. It's a slippery slope (no pun intended)."

so do you have something to add or are you planning on keeping your beavis routine up all day?

because I have to say we're all very impressed with your wit.

Anonymous The Faithful Materialist February 13, 2014 1:58 PM  

"You literally don't grasp the situation at all."

I think I do far better than you do. So, there's the point of disagreement. I don't invest that much meaning in "Twitter Wars" or the meaning of the reaction to John Scalzi's choice of wardrobe. And I'm cleared eye enough to notice that there is no gender war wrenching apart the Democratic party. In fact, as a party with a set of specific values, I'm not sure we've seen such a united Democratic Party in years.

Consider the years 88 to 92....Now, there you had a democratic party that was split over numerous issues. Luckily for them, along came the Clintons, Gores and others to move the party to the right and create a new balance.

I guess my point is this: You are seeing things.

Anonymous Sigyn February 13, 2014 1:59 PM  

so do you have something to add or are you planning on keeping your beavis routine up all day?

Needs to be said.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 2:00 PM  

> you bore the shit out of me

thanks for the compliment Nate. I would be doing something wrong if anti-white faggots liked what I was saying.

Anonymous Sigyn February 13, 2014 2:02 PM  

Luckily for them, along came the Clintons, Gores and others to move the party to the right

...

This explains why the whole "global warming causes record cold" business sounds so reasonable to them.

Anonymous FP February 13, 2014 2:04 PM  

"When were their NOT squabbles on the left? And show me this splintering that is tearing the party apart."

A couple of my favorites would be...

Various white liberals having run-ins with "youths" and then begging for forgiveness for having naughty thoughts or reactions. That or they ignore the issue altogether in hopes it will go away. Women golfers fighting against the transgenders wanting to play in the LPGA. The same fighting to get the right to use women's locker rooms/bathrooms.

The 2012 Dem national convention brought us the fight between who's the biggest victim and thus more deserving of the presidency. That one got Geraldine Ferraro kicked off the reservation for defending Hillary. To paraphrase, "We all know if Obama was a white guy he'd have no chance to be elected."

Personally, one indicator has been my white "working class" teamster relative lately admitting he now sometimes listens to "right wing talk radio", complaining about the Obama administration screwing over truck drivers with new rules that hurt them economically and finally griping about the whole "creepy ass cracker" issue during the Zimmerman trial. This would be a man with interracial grandchildren by the by. So, no its not just a whiny dude from Ohio in a dress indicating problems on the horizon. That just happens to be an example relevant to this blog.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 2:05 PM  

True, Sigyn, and that also explains why the gays have toned down their anti-religious tactics.

Anonymous S. Caffan February 13, 2014 2:09 PM  

Mark Shea is one of the worst kinds of Catholics, from my understanding he used to be some sort of neo-pagan but converted to evangelism and now the Church, which might have been fine except he's one of those guys who converts and has a head full of ideas from wherever it is he comes and as soon as they've settled in they immediately set about re-arranging the place and trying to conform the Church to whatever stupid ideas they have percolating in their pea-brains. He's one of those guys now obsessed with reading people out of the church as vile hateful racists who have no place in it. The Shea sort of people have no roots in the church, it's not an organic thing for them, they don't care about the community and isn't motivated by a genuine Christian message. For the Sheas of this world the faith is just religious role-play for these types and they want everything organized along their own anal-retentive, spergy Roman Catholic Dungeons and Dragons Dungeonmasters' guide.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:11 PM  

Stanley,

Are you going to give me examples of current white genocide (a, b, c, d, e per your UN definition)?

Put up or shut up sugar britches.

Also, define white. Is Vox white?

I didn't ask how an hispanic, black, or Jew would define white. I asked you to define it.

Is your definition "non black, non hispanic, non Jew, non Asian?"

Blogger IM2L844 February 13, 2014 2:14 PM  

This whole DE movement thingy is beginning to smell like an ulterior blanket meme creation intended to wrest back control of the narrative. If so, it's a stroke of genius, but I don't think John Prager and the AATTP is that smart.

Anonymous scooby doo February 13, 2014 2:16 PM  

"Sure - all they know how to do is steal other people's money...
Likewise,the only thing they want to do is boss other people around and they've pretty much succeeded in bossing everybody outside their group around..."

Huh. Who does this sound like? It reminds me of somebody, somehow, but I can't quite seem to put my finger on who exactly.....

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 13, 2014 2:21 PM  

I thought "the Cube" (as in a Borg Cube) was a better name for what we currently call the Cathedral.

By the time the USCCB and Global South complete their long march, I think "the Cathedral" really will be the Cathedral.

Anonymous Harsh February 13, 2014 2:24 PM  

No one is scared of the DE...in fact...we're taking great pleasure in laughing at it.

Shhh, there is no Dark Enlightenment. ::touches finger to nose::

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:27 PM  

"thanks for the compliment Nate. I would be doing something wrong if anti-white faggots liked what I was saying."

Awesome.

This is the best you can do? Have you met Beavis? He's here in this thread too. Maybe you two can hook up and shout "YOU'RE GAY!" at each other while the grown ups talk.



Anonymous Vinteuil February 13, 2014 2:28 PM  

For better or worse, I think we're stuck with "The Cathedral." Personally, I would have preferred either "The Magisterium" or "The Iron Triangle." But the former might have been even more offensive to Catholics, and the latter was claimed years ago for a related but different trio of horribles. Anyway, "The Cathedral" seems to have caught on, so that's that.

Blogger Desdichado February 13, 2014 2:29 PM  

In fact, as a party with a set of specific values, I'm not sure we've seen such a united Democratic Party in years.

ORLY? Does Mark Begich, Kay Hagan, Mary Landrieu, any of nearly a dozen other vulnerable Senate seats, or anyone who has any integrity about the NSA and the IRS know this?

The Democrats are pretty good at keeping their malcontents in line, as all fascists have been since the beginning. But that doesn't mean that underneath that smooth illusion of unity is any actual goodwill.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:29 PM  

I have to say its a little depressing to see the white nationalist types adopt the jewish habit of screaming "anti-semite!" at anyone that doesn't sufficiently suck up to them.

Oh sure.. they screach "anti-white!" but its the same thing really. its just a dressed up rabbit squawking "BADTHINK!"

Anonymous Shibes Meadow February 13, 2014 2:31 PM  

Josh: Your sophistry has failed. You know very well what a White person is. If it makes you feel more comfortable about being a White-hater, just use the U.S. Census Bureau definition of white ("a person having origins in Europe, the Middle East or North Africa") as a working definition of the people you wish to see exterminated.

Your word-games, however, change nothing. White people exist, and we know who we are.

If you continue to have trouble identifying white people, please post a link to a photo of the person in question and we will help you identify his or her race.

Disingenuousness is so 2001. Try a different tactic.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:32 PM  

so Egyptians are white?

Anonymous scooby doo February 13, 2014 2:33 PM  

"Anyway, "The Cathedral" seems to have caught on, so that's that."

It's a beautiful piece of misdirection, I'll give it that much. Moldbug has earned his dacha outside Tel Aviv just for this one exquisite piece of "Squirrel!"

Anonymous Daniel February 13, 2014 2:33 PM  

Seems some are still not clued in.

DE is to conspiracy theory as Bob the Builder is to home construction.
Shea is to Catholic intellectualism as Woody Allen is to child welfare.

They are both creatures of the media - wholly dependent upon it - not reality. They fear Luciferians, but don't believe in Lucifer.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:34 PM  

9/11 was done by White People! Because Census!

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:35 PM  

So...Arabs, Jews, Persians, Hispanics, and Turks are all white?

Awesome.

Also, cite where in this thread I said I wanted to see whites exterminated or withdraw your assertion.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow February 13, 2014 2:35 PM  

Nate: You hate White people. It's not an accusation. It's an evident fact. If you didn't, you would not complain about "white nationalists", your term for White people who love their race and wish it to continue.

I can only wonder why you hate White people so strongly.

Anonymous Krul February 13, 2014 2:36 PM  

Interesting. Apparently now any mention of the "Dark Enlightenment" invites swarms of bitter, over-sensitive pillocks to defend it against non-existent attacks.

And to think this thread began as appreciation for an hilarious online prank. The fun drained out of that topic in a hurry.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:37 PM  

No doubt Muhammad is totally welcome over there at StormFront... because Census says he's white.

beautiful.

man... this is beautiful.

it isn't often someone post something this amazingly stupid...

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 2:38 PM  

Stormfront is a site where whites bitch about the anti-white system.

These two sites are where white people learn to defend their race with a consistent message about white genocide.

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/the-white-mantra/

http://whiterabbitradio.net/

When did VD's comment section become filled with so many trolling anti-white fags?

Mother Jones is over there >> fags


Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 2:38 PM  

Here's an easy "red pill" to swallow:

Neoreaction/DE is mostly bullshit -- pushed by lower-middle-class Jews and atheists -- who are wanna-be "philosopher kings" on Twitter-- but who are in reality the peasant class.

In the proposed monarchy of the future, they would be shining the shoes of the elite.

You got the ballz to swallow that red pill, Logo?

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:39 PM  

Stanley

I've asked you several questions you have yet to answer.

Be a good little dear and answer them.

Thanks dahling.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:39 PM  

"It's not an accusation. It's an evident fact. If you didn't, you would not complain about "white nationalists", your term for White people who love their race and wish it to continue."

Really? so I hate egyptians and lybians and jews? or do I hate greeks and turks? Or is the swedes I hate?

or maybe I just hate morons who can only talk about one pet topic?

Anonymous xxx February 13, 2014 2:40 PM  

(Another red pill: The DE/NRx types think of themselves as the ultimate Trolls. But they are the easiest fags to troll on the entire interwebs -- case in point, this thread!)

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:41 PM  

I nominate Shibes' comment (census definition of white) for a Beezle

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 13, 2014 2:41 PM  

"just use the U.S. Census Bureau definition of white ("a person having origins in Europe, the Middle East or North Africa") as a working definition of the people you wish to see exterminated."

That definition describes the physical-anthropology idea of "Caucasian", but then it also includes northern Indian and Iranian, so we are straying into the ridiculous. "White" is different from Caucasian, is a smaller subgroup, at least for political and cultural purposes. "White" means all three of these necessary criteria: ethnic European, Christian (or at least raised in the moral and cultural climate of Christendom to the exclusion of a different moral and cultural climate), and a native speaker of an Indo-European language (with exceptions made for say Finnish and Magyar and Basque and Armenian, but not for say Arabic or Hindi).

Berbers, Arabs, Jews and Iranians are all Caucasian, from a physical anthropology perspective; but none of them are White.

Blogger Nate February 13, 2014 2:41 PM  

Very good Stanley... now go lick the window on the short bus with the other retards.

you're very special.

Anonymous bob k. mando February 13, 2014 2:42 PM  

Stanley February 13, 2014 1:23 PM
He defeated 12-year Council Member Robert Lilligren, a member of the White Earth Band of Ojibwe who strove to show that he could connect with East African voters



well, you see, there's his problem. if his tribe wasn't thoroughly racist, they'd have named themselves the Black Earth Ojibwe.

Anonymous Harsh February 13, 2014 2:42 PM  

And to think this thread began as appreciation for an hilarious online prank. The fun drained out of that topic in a hurry.

To be fair, I'm still kind of having fun with it...

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:44 PM  

Per a plate of shrimp, all Latin Americans are white.

Also, why give exceptions for Finnish and Magyar?

Anonymous Shibes Meadow February 13, 2014 2:44 PM  

Josh: Your attempt to draw me into your word game has failed. I defined "white person". If that definition does not suit you, that is your affair.

The fact that you are antagonistic to self-identifying White people is proof that you hate Whites and want to see them exterminated. Denying a people the right to define themselves on their own terms is an act of genocide.

You can prove me wrong, however. Just answer these three yes-or-no questions:

1. Do White people exist?
2. Do White people have the right to exist?
3. Do White people have the right to exist as White people (i.e., as a distinctive and self-identified people, with its own unique and self-defined culture)?

A "yes" answer to any of these questions indicates that you are a believer in racial differences. A "no" answer to any of these three questions indicates that you are in favor of White genocide.

Answer carefully.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 February 13, 2014 2:45 PM  

When did VD's comment section become filled with so many trolling anti-white fags?

This is just too precious.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 2:45 PM  

> I have to say its a little depressing to see the white nationalist types adopt the jewish habit of screaming "anti-semite!" at anyone that doesn't sufficiently suck up to them.

Yeah, because screaming anti-semite and racist has been SO ineffective in controlling the narrative, right Nate?

Anonymous Shibes Meadow February 13, 2014 2:46 PM  

Stanley: Don't bother asking Nate anything. He hates White people.

Anonymous vinteuil February 13, 2014 2:47 PM  

BTW - I was SO flattered to see Occam's Razor associated by our troll/parodist with Radish Magazine and Theden TV among the "rising stars of the Dark Enlightenment" - given that Alfred W Clark & I have been so preoccupied with other things for so long. I really must get back to posting. But I'll be teaching The Republic for the next week and a half, and that's always pretty draining.

Anonymous Harsh February 13, 2014 2:49 PM  

Stanley: Don't bother asking Nate anything. He hates White people.

I'm pretty sure Nate only hates Yankees.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:49 PM  

Shibes,

1) per your census definition, yes, whites exist, including hispanics, Jews, Turks, Arabs, berbers, and Persians.
2) yes, they all have a right to exist
3) yes, they all have a right to define themselves however they want (you're starting to sound like a transsexual genderqueer feminist)

Anonymous Salt February 13, 2014 2:53 PM  

The poor level of trollisms here today. I'm impressed.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:54 PM  

Nate hates Yankees and auburn fans. Although he probably considers all auburn fans to be Yankees.

Anonymous rycamor February 13, 2014 2:55 PM  

SMH...

What happened to VP today?

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2014 2:56 PM  

First there's: I think I do far better than you do.

And then there's: "Luckily for them, along came the Clintons, Gores and others to move the party to the right and create a new balance."

Demonstrating exactly how accurate his grasp of reality is. The Clintons didn't move anyone to the right.

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 13, 2014 2:56 PM  

"Per a plate of shrimp, all Latin Americans are white.

Also, why give exceptions for Finnish and Magyar?"

You're an idiot. All Latin Americans are not white, per my definition, because many or most Latin Americans are Amerinds, not Indo-Europeans, and certainly not "indigenous Europeans". They are short, fat, dark, Mixtec-speaking Amerinds. For our purposes here, the fact they speak Spanish and are Catholic is window-dressing. The Catholic Church is universal, and has universal spiritual jurisdiction, but "Christendom" as a sphere in space and time, extends only from the Atlantic to the Urals. You can be a good Christian if you originate outside Christendom, but you can't be "white". Is this too hard to understand?

"why give exceptions for Finnish and Magyar?"

The Hungarians are originally a Turkic people (IIRC), and Magyar originally a Turkic language; but the Hungarians historically have fought like devils in defense of Christendom against its enemies. Since they are also anthropologically white, and are Christians, I think the exception is well-founded. If tomorrow, the Turks all converted en masse to Christianity, and showed sincerity in the enterprise, one might re-think their status too. However, if tomorrow all the Bangladeshis converted en masse to Christianity one would still say, Sorry, dudes, a bridge too far.

As for the Finns, they speak a non-Indo-European language, but they are surrounded on all sides by Indo-European Christendom, they are anthropologically Caucasian, and they have imbibed Christendom for so long that it would be silly to exclude them from being white strictly on linguistic grounds.

You probably don't know what positional chess is, do you.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:57 PM  

Maybe the white nationalists should all get together and make sure they're all using the same definitions of white and white genocide before they start trying to convert others.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 2:59 PM  

Since christendom doesn't extend to the Americas, does this mean Americans aren't white?

Anonymous A Plate of Shrimp February 13, 2014 3:02 PM  

"Since christendom doesn't extend to the Americas, does this mean Americans aren't white?"

Bored now. Buh-bye.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 3:03 PM  

It's not my fault your definition had so many holes in it.

Anonymous WaterBoy February 13, 2014 3:04 PM  

Shibes Meadow: "If you continue to have trouble identifying white people, please post a link to a photo of the person in question and we will help you identify his or her race."

Link.

Thanks.

Anonymous Stanley February 13, 2014 3:05 PM  

No worries Shibes, I'm not writing to convince the Nates of anything. They've provided everyone a glimpse into the mind of a typical anti-white. Define white people, prove genocide, whites did it to the Indians, white privilege, make more babies if you don't like immigrants etc, etc, are the same arguments you will find underneath every single pro-white video on YT. There is nothing new or clever or unique about them.

Even on a site like this, whose author includes a steady dose of race realism, you find persons that go into hyperventilating attack mode when you discuss how to verbally defend white people or the need for whites to rediscover their identity if they want to survive. At this point you are either pro-white or you are pro-white genocide and yes, that's my primary concern. Not whether Scalzi really wears pink underpants or if the term Dark Enlightenment sounds gayer than New Barbarians.

Blogger Desdichado February 13, 2014 3:07 PM  

Latin Americans are not "Amerinds." Amerinds is the stupidest anti-label that nobody really uses ever. Hungarian is not a Turkish language. Hindi is an Indo-European language. As is Gypsy. What about Lapplanders? What about Estonians? What about the Coptic church members? Does a white person fail to be white if they're raised by hippies in Bali?

See, nice try, but that definition is stupid. If anyone doesn't like it, it isn't "their own affair." It's an indication that they have thought critically about the issue moreso than have you.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 3:08 PM  

Wait, we're hyperventilating?

I suppose I should alert my cardiovascular system.

Anonymous Krul February 13, 2014 3:09 PM  

Re: WaterBoy,

That would be a Japxican Eldar with Glasses of Color.

Anonymous Josh February 13, 2014 3:10 PM  

Who self identifies as esquimaux and proud, krul

If you refuse to allow him to identify as esquimaux and proud you are committing genocide against him.

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