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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

The curse of the Youtube song

Actually, according to Zerohedge, the number of banker suicides is now 11:
The financial world has been rattled by a rash of apparent suicides, with some of the best and brightest among the finance workers who have taken their lives since the start of the year. A majority of the eight suicides of 2014 have been very public demonstrations, which has suicide-prevention experts puzzled.

“Jumping is much less common as a method for suicide in general, so I am struck by the number that have occurred in recent months in this industry,” said Dr. Christine Moutier, chief medical officer of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.
Perhaps it is because they are not suicides. I was somewhat dubious about the sudden rash of banker deaths, particularly after hearing about the guy who tortured himself with a nail gun. And the 11 deaths doesn't include Jeffrey Corzine. Bankers have stolen homes and deposits from hundreds of thousands of people and ruined thousands of lives. It seems highly improbable that all of those people are now in a perfect state of Zen equilibrium and have no interest in seeking revenge.

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Anonymous Susan March 18, 2014 5:54 PM  

AP better catch up. The number they had this morning was 8. Did not realize that about Corzine the younger. And here I was, feeling sympathy for daddy. Revenge maybe for what his dad was involved in?

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 18, 2014 6:05 PM  

I am inclined to believe that they were signed up for jumping lessons.

Blogger Res Ipsa March 18, 2014 6:05 PM  

When I was a LO there was a concept known as an unconscionable loan. You didn't write these, even if the person qualified for it. That was the old time bankers code. You didn't write certain loans, period. A few years latter what was unconscionable was common. It was part of the first mtg meltdown in 1999. The "justice" dept and HUD all decided that unconscionable was code for not giving blacks loans. The flood gates were officially open and fraud in lending was king. Everyone knew they were writing crap loans, except the kids they started hiring to drive business, cocktail waitresses and yoga instructors just pushed what was on the rate sheet. Greed as they said, is good.

Every banker that went the quick trick, fast buck take the money and run route deserves what he gets. It wasn't just a few of them either. Wholesale mtg lending was corrupt back in the mid 90's and the fraud was across the industry, not just in NY.

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 6:32 PM  

We're probably going to need a new warning sign for streets under bank windows that tells us to watch out for falling bankers.

Blogger Rantor March 18, 2014 6:34 PM  

While we'll probably never know, I can imagine Jeff Corzine's father's MF Global failure, née theft of investor funds didn't help matters. His father will certainly blame depression.

At examiner.com, this story is interesting...
http://www.examiner.com/article/insider-warns-that-more-banker-assassinations-are-coming

Claims that three dozen bankers are slated to die... Not that there is a conspiracy or anything.

Anonymous Don March 18, 2014 6:35 PM  

How do you get somebody to jump unwillingly? Threaten his family? The only way I can think that would work is if you killed somebody's family members ahead of time by way of demonstrating you could do it.

Were there any deaths in banker's immediate families before this began? Things like kidnappings, weird suicides, or car accidents?

Anonymous realmatt March 18, 2014 6:35 PM  

Where are Will Ferrell and Marky Mark when you need them?

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 6:42 PM  

How do you get somebody to jump unwillingly?

When I was in the army, someone pointed out that a pretty easy way to make anyone to do anything is to threaten to drill his kneecaps with a power drill. You may have to do it once, but you probably won't have to do it twice.

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 March 18, 2014 6:48 PM  

I've been keeping a running tally of offed bankers on the sidebar of my blog since late January.
My count is 12, and I didn't count Corzine's son.
I don't remember all of them off the top of my head, but I'll review my notes when I get home later.
Anyway, I started it off as a kind of joke when there were 2 in 40 hours. Then 4. Then it jumped to 8. Then 10. Then 12.
Whether it be retribution, keeping a lid on things or legitimate cases of 12(11?) people pulling the ripcord before the economy goes splat to spare themselves the worst of it, I don't claim to know.

Anonymous David March 18, 2014 6:49 PM  

Well, I was a victim of Jeff Corzine as I had a small account with MF Global at the time it went belly up. But I am happy to report I got 98% of my money back at this time. So my blood vendetta with Mr. Corzine is officially canceled.

But the guys who got really screwed are the ones who were in an active trade that day and were locked out of liquidating their position. I have no idea how many suffered losses that way, or how much.

Anonymous Anonymous March 18, 2014 6:50 PM  

Where are all the jumping politicians?

Anonymous Don March 18, 2014 6:50 PM  

Markku - Tough to hide signs of torture in a public case. A sack of oranges or a phone book is one thing but drilling a kneecap shows up even after a fall.

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 6:51 PM  

Apparently you usually don't actually have to do it. They know from the media how it would feel like.

Anonymous David March 18, 2014 6:51 PM  

Oops, I meant blood vendetta with Jon Corzine. Not his son. See I don't care so much about it anymore I forgot who I was mad at.

Anonymous Anonymous March 18, 2014 6:51 PM  

Madame Dafarge is busy at her knitting.

Blogger Whiskey March 18, 2014 6:52 PM  

Vox, barking up the wrong tree. You have, a CEO age 28 (female) of a Cyber Currency Firm, a 28 year old Banker at Levy Capital, a 47 year old trader, a 33 year old JP Morgan pro in SINGAPORE, a Fifty year old Economist at Russel Investments and former Fed economist, and a 58 year old Deutsch Bank risk manager hanged in London.

Revenge on a 28 year old start-up Cybercoin CEO? A risk manager? A young trader? A finance pro in Singapore? People traveling to London, to Singapore, to Hong Kong ... to track down and kill lower or mid-level people many of whom had nothing to do with subprime meltdowns?

Really?

Or is it more likely that facing abusive, scapegoating Federal indictments promising ruin and prison for soft, White-collar people who felt they had done no wrong, these mid and lower level people killed themselves?

We all know that say, Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi's families will not be indicted for any financial wrongdoing. But others lacking connections face the scary power of the feds untrammeled by anything like decency or justice.

Financial reverses for young people ... that's generally not a suicide triggering event. Prison terms as long as thirty years, for people made scapegoats by headline seeking feds and no support from their companies?

Yeah I'd believe it. Just like I'd believe that the Feds seeking headlines and careers would indict an information activist and threaten thirty years hard labor for the "crime" of posting JSTORS scientific articles on the internet.

Anonymous zen0 March 18, 2014 6:56 PM  

How do you get somebody to jump unwillingly?

Effects of MKULTRA LSD

In the 1950s, a CIA operative generally knew better than to accept a drink from another operative if he didn't have a spare 12 hours to break from perceived reality. Dr. Stanley Olson, a "perfectly normal" Army scientist, worked outside this informed circle [source: Ruwet]. So it was with common trust that Dr. Olson accepted a spiked drink from an operative at a joint Army-Agency conference. Olson didn't take the drug well.

Very quickly, Olson developed a bad trip (which he loudly shared) and experienced acute paranoia long after the effects of the LSD should have discontinued. He missed Thanksgiving dinner with his family out of fear of seeing them [source: Ruwet]. Eight days later, Olson was dead. He'd apparently committed suicide, falling from a 10th-story window in a New York hotel. In the 1990s, evidence emerged that he may have been struck over the head with a blunt object before plummeting from the window [source: Baker].

Blogger Anthony March 18, 2014 6:57 PM  

Whiskey may have a point, but I'd like to see some evidence that Tha Athoritah was on all these people's backs.

Anonymous zen0 March 18, 2014 7:01 PM  

It all sounds more like a gang-land turf war. Or the purging of the stooges to cover the track.

Where are all those big-time Wall Street guys anyway. You used to see their mugs on the media about something, sayin they be doin God's bidness and all.

Ain't seen hide nor hair for a coon's age.

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 7:03 PM  

It would be especially effective if you offered them either an easy death if they do it themselves, or one that involves disposing of the body through the proper means, but that option involves quite a bit of torture for making things complicated for them.

Anonymous Don March 18, 2014 7:06 PM  

The nail gun isn't a suicide obviously but tough to fake guys walking out onto roofs and jumping. Many buildings require maintenance or security to open the doors. Who opened the doors?

Anonymous zen0 March 18, 2014 7:08 PM  

@ Anthony

Whiskey may have a point, but I'd like to see some evidence that Tha Athoritah was on all these people's backs.

Most definitely. . With the lower level stooges you have to have paperwork.

This all seems extra-judicial in character.

Anonymous Salt March 18, 2014 7:11 PM  

Throw a few bucks over the edge and watch the banker jump.

Anonymous Daniel March 18, 2014 7:45 PM  

What's next? A rash of cop suicides by wicker man?

I bet you the racist statisticians at the Fed will just chalk this all up to bank-on-bank crime, and sweep it under the rug.

Blogger Unknown March 18, 2014 7:53 PM  

Owner of a lonely heart...

Anonymous zen0 March 18, 2014 7:55 PM  

@ whiskey

Revenge on a 28 year old start-up Cybercoin CEO? A risk manager? A young trader? A finance pro in Singapore? People traveling to London, to Singapore, to Hong Kong ... to track down and kill lower or mid-level people many of whom had nothing to do with subprime meltdowns?

Really?


Whiskey, dear, Whiskey, Whiskey in the Jar.

Your literalist bent has confused you. Vox has indulged in a figure of speech called Synecdoche or transfer. The Greeks and Romans identified hundreds of these rhetorical tools.

Most people use it with a single word, but Vox has used it by identifying all the classes of people screwed by bankers by referencing only one class, the home-screwed.

Step yer game up.

Anonymous Jack Amok March 18, 2014 7:57 PM  

It seems highly improbable that all of those people are now in a perfect state of Zen equilibrium and have no interest in seeking revenge.

In the U.S. at any rate, I'd expect the revenge to be delivered at either 2,700 fps from a distance, or 770 fps up close, depending. Or possibly around 50 fps as they crossed the street.

This smells more like track-covering to me.

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 8:00 PM  

Dead people tend to vote Democrat, so perhaps Hillary just wanted to get a few more voters for her campaign?

Blogger James Dixon March 18, 2014 8:05 PM  

> How do you get somebody to jump unwillingly?

It's called a push, Don.

Blogger Darayvus March 18, 2014 8:32 PM  

I am unsure about jumping not being a method for suicide *in New York City*. Where I went to college, jumping was the way the pre-21 kids did it. This is because college kids don't *have* guns.

The quickest way out is by gunshot, sure. But, as in school, not everyone in NYC actually has the means. And if someone did check out that way, some cop would just "confiscate" (steal) the weapon.

If you want the gun to stay in the household, or you just don't have one: there are plenty of very high buildings in this city, which would get the job done about as quickly.

Anonymous ENthePeasant March 18, 2014 9:04 PM  

I've seen faked evidence. It's not that hard and in any big city on the North East Coast it's well known by federal LE organizations that in a wider investigation you often have to pressure the detectives involved with threats and promises of no retaliation. Once you get the truth then you move on to the wider investigation. But now we have a serious problem. (Nekkid) Emperor Obama lies whenever he possibly can. This is no joke. He's gotten a lot of flack because he screws up without his teleprompter but that's not quite true. He screws up when he doesn't have any lies to tell. And the bottom line here, and you can verify it by talking with anyone who studies liars, is that the prez feels bulletproof when he's lying and he's not really all that ashamed of it. This "disease" is made worse by those who are covering for him in the press. Of course he prefers people like himself to associate with. Where I'm going with this is we have the perfect storm, a guy who knows he can get away with it, and loves the feeling, and enough crooked LE to easily get it done. Most powerful men will bend the law once in a while, but guys like the prez make it there life's work. However, this isn't probably a direct assassination of a possible whistle-blower, is smells more like a warning to someone more powerful. Corzine's son hits home pretty hard. The guy has more family. The lovely Miz Radtke was more than likely a strong independent woman... who was dating a much older married man in the financial world. The police in Singapore would interview him but protect his privacy at all costs... but this gentleman would get the message. I think that's clear enough? As far as Markku's contention's go, it's not hard to get someone to commit suicide with the right inducements. As he pointed out just showing them the drill will often do the trick, combined with threats of exposure for a "secret life"... which obviously ain't so secret any longer. The Coup de Grace is family... "we know where they live and what to do to them."

Anonymous Orville March 18, 2014 10:08 PM  

The Punisher is leaving a nail on the desk of each victim with a note that says "jump you fucker" or I'll be back with my nail gun.

Anonymous John March 18, 2014 10:09 PM  

These "suicides" remind me of a quote from Alan Furst's 1991 novel "Dark Star." In counseling his Pravda journalist operative, an NKVD bigwig advises: ". . . and stay away from high windows. It's a commonplace of ours; anyone can commit a murder, but suicide requires an artist."

Anonymous Jack Amok March 18, 2014 10:15 PM  

Where I went to college, jumping was the way the pre-21 kids did it. This is because college kids don't *have* guns.

Are you another UCSD alum perhaps? Yeah, there were a few jumpers when I was in school, mostly off Tioga Hall. One of them landed on a bike rack - which my roommate's bike was on. He said it was not pretty at all.

Anonymous a hundred words of common sense March 18, 2014 11:10 PM  

Ah the joy of conspiracy theory, which takes our mind away from the fact that every group of people has their crosses to bear. To spell it out for those unfamiliar with moral facts, the groups from which energetic revenge-takers arise are, on a sliding scale which is averaged out over the years by the course of actions and reactions, no better, either on a moral scale or on the technical scale of successful revenge-taking, than the initially-targeted groups. That is why most languages, including English, have no non-sarcastic word for a one-way vendetta.

Anonymous rycamor March 19, 2014 12:02 AM  

I've mentioned this movie before in reference to these deaths: Assault on Wall Street.

After the economy crashes, a New Yorker who's lost everything goes to extreme lengths to seek revenge over what's been taken from him.

Public acceptance of this sort of thing is on the upswing. Watch the movie if you have Netflix. It's the sort of story that would be unbelievable as a product of American culture only a decade earlier. Even as much as I understand the rationale, it made the old-school American in me squirm. There's one scene where the hero just unloads rounds into the windows of a Wall street building, targeting any man in a tie.

Anonymous Noah B. March 19, 2014 12:32 AM  

Might as well...

Anonymous Jack Amok March 19, 2014 12:46 AM  

A hundred words of common sense... all I can say is, I guess your middle name isn't "Clarity"

Though now that I think of it, I wish I'd named one of my daughters that.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2014 1:44 AM  

no Noah--this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge311sFhC8

-JT

Anonymous Toby Temple March 19, 2014 2:19 AM  

May their sacrifice be acceptable to the banksta_god
For the praise and glory of money
For our good and the good of all the other remaining bankstas
- prayer of the moneyworshippers

Anonymous bob k. mando March 19, 2014 2:20 AM  

Markku March 18, 2014 6:51 PM
They know from the media how it would feel like.



i have literally never heard of this before you posted about it in this thread, Markku.


i mean, i realize i'm not THE most plugged-in-to-the-zietgeist person you'll ever meet ... but i ain't never heard of that.

personally, i would think it easier to whack them in the head, knock em unconscious and toss em out the window.

even if you overdid it a bit and killed them upstairs i don't think very many medical examiners are going to notice an extra bruise under the hair line on a road pizza.



rycamor March 19, 2014 12:02 AM
unbelievable as a product of American culture



that's not a product of 'American culture', that's Uwe Boll.

Boll is a German who is notorious for making absolutely crap video game movie tie-ins but making money on them anyways because of German tax law.

Blogger Markku March 19, 2014 2:50 AM  

i have literally never heard of this before you posted about it in this thread, Markku

I don't mean drilling - that was the special thing about the idea. I mean shooting in the kneecaps. Anyone with a drill on their knee is going to understand the connection.

Anonymous 100 words of common sense March 19, 2014 3:04 AM  

Clarity Amok would be a wonderful name but difficult to live up to. Better for a fictional child than a real world one, for that reason.

Anonymous Saint Revolution March 19, 2014 4:14 AM  

All this speculation is dead wrong. It's simple. America wants to see if bankgsters bounce.

They don't.

Ah...it's a shame...

Anonymous zen0 March 19, 2014 5:32 AM  

@ EN the Peasant

But now we have a serious problem. (Nekkid) Emperor Obama lies whenever he possibly can.

Just read an article on lying. It is often associated with narcissism, and Barak Hussein has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, so it is a good fit. Apparently the key is to watch the muscle response in the forehead.

Anonymous Anonymous March 19, 2014 7:47 AM  

He screws up when he doesn't have any lies to tell. And the bottom line here, and you can verify it by talking with anyone who studies liars, is that the prez feels bulletproof when he's lying and he's not really all that ashamed of it.

This. That man is the first person I have ever seen who enjoys lying. I am not talking duping delight where the liar smiles because he got away with it. I am talking about a man who enjoys the act of lying.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 19, 2014 9:38 AM  

*snerk*

http://intellihub.com/senator-attempts-disarm-sheriffs-oklahoma-state-capitol/?

Okie state legislator is such a gun grabbing bitch that they can't even abide allowing police with guns anywhere near them.

seriously Oklahoma, wtf?

you guys *should be* just as wild west and oil loving as Texas.

Blogger Done with it all March 19, 2014 9:48 AM  

I think some were pushed by the little heads up they received such as this "hey, notice you like to watch child porn and visit certain places that cater to your desires..."

Why do you think we have the NSA?

Anonymous Dr. Doom March 19, 2014 10:20 AM  

I think Vox had misread the signs. If this was the work of revenge-seekers then there would have been arrests, just to send a message. No, this looks like true distress amongst the Bankster class as it slowly dawns on them that the Collapse is here and there is nothing that can be done about it.
These mid-level managers may be doing liquidation of assets for fleeing parties, and then themselves being liquidated. Vampire squids liquidating would send a panic through the markets, and these kind of scum want every penny they can get for their Golden Parachute.
The real question is, where are they planning to land...

Anonymous RedJack March 19, 2014 10:32 AM  

simplytimothy,

I think you have seen and dealt with more than you know. My Mom has narcissitic personality disorder (Ie, socipath), and many higher level managers do also. They enjoy creating their own world, and making you live in it.

When Obama was elected, and I started watching him, I got very nervous. He is going to blow up, and either quit (good thing) or decided to burn down everyone else with him. The latter is rather worrying for a man with the nuclear football, though I suspect he doesn't have the "real" keys anymore.

Anonymous Noah B. March 19, 2014 11:04 AM  

"you guys *should be* just as wild west and oil loving as Texas."

They are even more so, for the most part. Except when it comes to beer.

Blogger RobertT March 19, 2014 12:17 PM  

" Every banker that went the quick trick, fast buck take the money and run route deserves what he gets. "

One of the characteristics that defines a person is what motivates him. Money can be a big motivator, but it seldom comes into play until you get into a situation where big money is in play. If it turns out it's a big motivator, you go into a feeding frenzy. If you aren't, you walk away because in that environment, everything is about money. The people who stay see everything as a process, a game. They aren't trying to hurt people, they just don't see things that way. Many of them, at some point, like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, begin giving it all away. I think that happens when they realize, despite all their wealth, they've wasted their lives. The system is broken, and it consumes people who get too close to the flame.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 19, 2014 8:19 PM  

I think you have seen and dealt with more than you know. My Mom has narcissitic personality disorder (Ie, socipath), and many higher level managers do also.

They are both cluster B, but they are not the same. But they can be co-morbid. Someone with sociopathy and NPD is called a "narcissopath."

Anonymous Anonymous March 20, 2014 6:28 AM  

Someone with sociopathy and NPD is called a "narcissopath."

And anybody who points out that the marxist in chief could be one is obviously a naracissopath

Anonymous Saint Revolution's Dad March 20, 2014 7:58 AM  

No one knows exactly the reasons for these deaths, nor if there is an explicit connection between these deaths.

The speculative bubble is alive and well on this thread.

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