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Monday, March 17, 2014

The end of the free love era

As socionomics predicts, with economic contraction comes war... and disease:
The CDC has issued a report detailing its findings in attempting to trace the increasing difficulty in treating gonorrhea, a sexually transmitted disease (STD) that can cause severe discomfort, serious medical problems (such as sterility) for both genders and in very rare cases, death.

Gonorrhea is a bacterial disease that has been around for thousands of years, if not longer, plaguing human populations. In more recent times, it's had to evolve to survive as humans learned to treat it using penicillin and other antibacterial agents. Over the past thirty years in particular, gonorrhea has evolved to the point that there are very few treatments left (ceftriaxone along with either azithromycin or doxycycline) and now, it looks like its poised to get the best of those as well, which will mean those who contract the disease in the very near future will find that doctors have no way to cure them.... The overriding conclusion of the researchers is that the world is now sitting on the precipice of losing the ability to fight a major bacterial infection.
AIDS was the warning and the medical and political establishments completely failed in their responsibilities in the face of the gay community acting up. One sincerely hopes they will do better the next time around. Because the next time does not appear to be very far off.

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Blogger Porter March 17, 2014 3:10 PM  

Tuberculosis is next in the untreatable queue.

Blogger Unknown March 17, 2014 3:14 PM  

All this fecal sex worship in our culture..you'd think the AIDS epidemic never happened. My oh my what a dangerous web we weave when reality is bent so far that the enivatable blow back is going to be worse. Good times ahead.

Blogger Pulp Herb March 17, 2014 3:22 PM  

Given anal gonorrhea was proof you were sticking it to the Man in gay communities in major cities prior to AIDS I doubt we'll do any better this time.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 17, 2014 3:26 PM  

Maybe Latinos are not set to overtake whites in CA:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/latinos-california-biggest-demographic-politics

Although I suspect that gonorrhea is more prevalent among the AfAm community.

Anonymous Mr. Nightstick March 17, 2014 3:26 PM  

Tad better watch out.

Anonymous Luke March 17, 2014 3:30 PM  

This will be a net good thing IMO, approached with a Machiavellian view.

First, the blacks and the poufters will be hardest hit, with young white liberals not far behind. They will quickly become effectively infertile (DARN!!!!!), even removed from public discourse due to poor health distracting the Hades out of them.

Yeah, the socialized medicine establishment (started with Medicaid/free clinics, now extended by UberHighPricedObamaNonCare) will likely collapse even a bit sooner due to this development, but that was already certain, and hardly a bad thing IMO...

Oh, and watch infidelity carry an even higher price. If a man is sentenced to long painful death by his wife's dalliances, and she legally gets off scot-free, watch for more than a few faithless wives eventually getting found motionless, floating face down in large bodies of water...

Blogger Done with it all March 17, 2014 3:35 PM  

...and homosexuality is an evolutionary improvement of the human species.

I guess the bugs are out evolving the demigods.

Blogger Unknown March 17, 2014 3:41 PM  

Those diseases never would spread if the already contaminated people didn't have sex with sane people, people with Gonorrhea should have sex only with people with Gonorrhea. If I were president I would make a rule that all of us should have passports with information about if we have some disease, the public have the right to know it.

Blogger Nate March 17, 2014 3:49 PM  

The director of NYC’s Gay Men’s Health Crisis was quoted as saying,

“We’re never going to solve this epidemic until people understand how important it is for me to have a cock in my ass and another in my mouth.”

This quote should be posted every single time gay rights come up.

Blogger Done with it all March 17, 2014 3:50 PM  

A little known fact my wife's 77 year old aunt told us a while back while at dinner discussing fishing: "You have to be careful when your fishing. My Uncle George got Gonorrhea from fishing. You can catch it from fishing..."

She is Bohemian (Moravian to be exact). They can come up with some good ones.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 17, 2014 3:51 PM  

Nate, that is TMI and very disturbing!

Blogger Done with it all March 17, 2014 3:52 PM  

Note to gay men: When you are being triple penetrated nothing good can come of that.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope March 17, 2014 3:52 PM  

Luke,
do you really think they will be too distracted by their health concerns to be able to agitate for MOAR health care funding and research and attention paid to their little diseased peckers?

Well, I think we could quickly count on AIDS being taken off the front burner, to the back burner (heh), and then off the stove entirely. Because children. And we'd finally have a serious hetero std that causes long term health problems.

Sure before antibiotics we saw these effects, but for the most part it was kept under control by restraint in sexual behavior.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 17, 2014 3:55 PM  

AIDS and gonorrhea are extremely easy to avoid in the first world. It is called a condom. Obviously a physical barrier on your pee-hole is going to keep the bacteria from traveling up it.

Tuberculosis on the other hand is not.

Anonymous cheddarman March 17, 2014 4:00 PM  

I used to think the talk about colloidal silver was looney. It appears they were right. Silver ions gives antiobiotics greatly increased potency. Another reason to stock up on silver.



J Med Microbiol. 2012 Dec;61(Pt 12):1719-26. doi: 10.1099/jmm.0.047100-0. Epub 2012 Sep 6.
Synergistic effects between silver nanoparticles and antibiotics and the mechanisms involved

Anonymous Anonymous March 17, 2014 4:03 PM  

@Idle

If you're straight and white, AIDS is basically impossible to get in the first world if you
1. Don't have sex with dudes.
2. If you can't follow one because you're a heterosexual female. Don't have sex with bi dudes or NAM's

Anonymous jay c March 17, 2014 4:04 PM  

Nate, do you have a link or source for that quote?

Blogger Done with it all March 17, 2014 4:07 PM  

After reading this I fear for our President...

Anonymous realmatt March 17, 2014 4:08 PM  

Well there are those british husbands whos gross globe trotting wives went native with some black boys and brought home a nice 3 letter treat. Their kids were gifted as well.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian March 17, 2014 4:10 PM  

How is it that Magic Johnson got the HIV thirty years ago and still lives?
Bet this gonorrhea can't get him either.

Anonymous TLM March 17, 2014 4:14 PM  

Chedderman-I used to think the talk about colloidal silver was looney.

My father-in-law used to rave about colloidal silver and I teased him relentlessly about it. He would put it on everything like the Greek dad in that chick movie did with Windex. If you're right, I owe him many apologies.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 17, 2014 4:20 PM  

Not surprising at all, cheddarman. Copper too has antibiotic properties. And if you look at the periodic table you'll notice copper (Cu), silver (Ag), and gold (Au) are stacked on top of each other in Group 11. In other words, similar electron shells with one electron on the outside*. Gold is probably cost prohibitive for usage. And you also have element 111 or Roentgenium (Rg) in Group 11. But that is unstable, and the longest half-life is about 10 minutes from the isotope Rg-283.

*Rg tends to jump from an 18 - 1 to a 17 - 2 outside shell structure though, for some reason.

There was story on Instapundit recently about iatrogenic bacteria transmission via stethoscopes. I remember screaming use a COPPER stethoscope. Not one commenter thought of that...

Blogger Done with it all March 17, 2014 4:31 PM  

Gay men, also known as walking petri dishes.

Anonymous David March 17, 2014 4:31 PM  

Garlic is also a great antibiotic.

Blogger James Higham March 17, 2014 4:32 PM  

Celibacy here we come.

Anonymous Gen. Kong March 17, 2014 4:33 PM  

VD notes:
AIDS was the warning and the medical and political establishments completely failed in their responsibilities in the face of the gay community acting up. One sincerely hopes they will do better the next time around. Because the next time does not appear to be very far off.

They won't. In this era of suicidal insanity, ideology trumps reality with ease. One thing about the progressives or whatever they're calling themselves these days is that no amount of empirical evidence is capable of even slightly modifying their genuinely religious fanaticism in bringing about their shiny free and equal utopia - which exceeds that of the wildest Musloid by a factor of at least ten.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2014 4:40 PM  

The medical world - doctors especially - resist being told to do things better. When you go pay for a $5 sub at a well run Subway, the workers trained to do a proper hand washing in between taking off gloves and puttign on news one, when ringing you up after making the sandwich. 30 seconds each hand, each finger, around the nails, back, front, rinse, dry on sterile paper towel, dispose, and then re-glove.

Yet doctors are shocked - shocked - to learn that a hanging metal and plastic dongle that sits a few inches from their own mouth, that is never sterilized and not even cleaned, which is directly placed on the chests of sick people, is a carrier for bacteria.

American doctors refuse to be check-listed. But it's all it takes. "#1 - wash hands before every patient. #2 - new gloves. #3 - new stethoscope." Check the box and initial for every patient. Or better yet have a clerk in the corner of the room who observes and does it.

Forget everything else - forget cancel research. Forget AIDs research. Forget telling people how to move. You cut down spread of disease from hospitals and doctors and you'll save more lives.

The CDC couldn't even operate to standards needed to control infection. Time for the sickness to end...

Anonymous Joseph Dooley March 17, 2014 4:40 PM  

As tyrants have evolved to appeal to the worst instincts of men, so have bacteria.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum March 17, 2014 4:42 PM  

"The wages of sin is death..."

The Letter of Saint Paul to the Romans, chapter 6, verse 23.

Anonymous Salt March 17, 2014 4:47 PM  

@dh, One of the most dangerous places to go when you're ill is a hospital.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 17, 2014 5:15 PM  

What happened to sulfur drugs? Did the Drug Industry make them illegal because there was not enough money in them?

Blogger IM2L844 March 17, 2014 5:16 PM  

Garlic is also a great antibiotic.

You know what else has good antibiotic properties? Curb stompings.

Anonymous Kazkus March 17, 2014 5:17 PM  

@ Salt, my 2 year old has cancer (had it since he was 5 months). If we have to go to the ER for anything his Dr. has ordered the ER staff to buzz us in the ambulance entrance and cover my son with a gown before rushing us to an isolation room. Unless its urgent we just don't take him. At least on the Cancer floor they throw away the stethoscope and open a new packaged one every time they come in.

Anonymous Susan March 17, 2014 5:18 PM  

Salt,

My daughter is an RN who works in a hospital and not only does she not place her work shoes in the cabin of her vehicle, she puts them in the trunk after each shift at work. She will not even bring the shoes into the house. She has become such a phobic about germs that I find myself doing some of her same routines just in the house.

It is like she tells me, I know what I walk in and I will not have it in the house or my car. So far she and we have been lucky, but given the superbugs that are going about now, I fully expect her to be exposed to TB in the future. That is one of the tests she has to have done at least once a year in order to keep her license.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2014 5:20 PM  

I guess. You never realize it until it's too late. And then you lose a parent to hospital generate infection, but you can't sue because the AMA/hospital cartel has gotten special immunity to liability for foreign infections.

Blogger James Dixon March 17, 2014 5:21 PM  

> #3 - new stethoscope.

No need for that, merely have two stethoscopes and sterilize the one while the other is being used. Isopropyl alcohol should do the job fine.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2014 5:22 PM  

Kazkus- good luck. The MD's tend to do a better job with the sickest and smallest patients. It's much more of a passion.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 17, 2014 5:26 PM  

From Wikipedia:

"The discovery helped establish the concept of "bioactivation" and dashed the German corporation's dreams of enormous profit; the active molecule sulfanilamide (or sulfa) had first been synthesized in 1906 and was widely used in the dye-making industry; its patent had since expired and the drug was available to anyone.[9]"

Blogger RobertT March 17, 2014 5:27 PM  

"@dh, One of the most dangerous places to go when you're ill is a hospital."

Amen. I've read that 40% of diagnoses are wrong. In my case I dehydrated in an athletic event and they put in a defibrilator that never paces but everyone now treats like a pacer. I finally asked my the doctor I see annually to check on my machinery if he'd ever looked at my file have you? No, he said. He has no idea what actually happened to me. The doctor who dealt with me when it happened told me I'd never die of a heart problem because I had the cleanest heart he had ever seen (he cathetized it) and the heart of a 25 year old. And this guy, very well thought of in his profession, treats me like i had a heart attack. It took him three years of double checking everything about my heart to finally agree I have a healthy heart. But I think it bothers him. He'd prefer it was diseased.

Blogger Marissa March 17, 2014 5:29 PM  

dh, interesting about stethoscopes. Reminds me of doctors who refused to watch their hands between deliveries--the guy who discovered the necessity for this, Ignaz Semmelweis, had a mental breakdown and died in an insane asylum, beaten to death by guards. I wonder if it was due to rejection by the medical establishment (who he called murderers for their scoffing at his discovery).

Blogger Marissa March 17, 2014 5:31 PM  

But I think it bothers him. He'd prefer it was diseased.

Maybe he prefers he was right. Leave it to the "SCIENCE!" community to put ego before self-correction.

Blogger Cinco March 17, 2014 5:36 PM  

Yet doctors are shocked - shocked - to learn that a hanging metal and plastic dongle that sits a few inches from their own mouth, that is never sterilized and not even cleaned, which is directly placed on the chests of sick people, is a carrier for bacteria.

American doctors refuse to be check-listed. But it's all it takes. "#1 - wash hands before every patient. #2 - new gloves. #3 - new stethoscope." Check the box and initial for every patient. Or better yet have a clerk in the corner of the room who observes and does it.


First, they get wiped down with alcohol. Second, they cost about a $100 dollars a piece for a Littman.

Anonymous Ferd March 17, 2014 5:38 PM  

One woman, one man,,,it is really that simple. Really!

Anonymous Amok Time March 17, 2014 5:46 PM  

"Garlic is also a great antibiotic."

And silver bullets and wooden stakes!! Oh yes and sunlight.

Anonymous civilServant March 17, 2014 5:49 PM  

AIDS was the warning

Not herpes?

The overriding conclusion of the researchers is that the world is now sitting on the precipice of losing the ability to fight a major bacterial infection.

This is old news. Warnings about resistant STD's go all the way back to the Viet Nam war and warnings about tuberculosis go back at least ten years.

The Soviets were making progress with Phage Therapy until antibiotics became common.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope March 17, 2014 5:54 PM  

Any hospital that goes through Stethoscopes that quickly, I'd be happy to take all of them off their hands, I don't care WHAT disease the patient had. I'm sure I could clean and sterilize each of them and ship them off to some third world medical facility where they'd be welcome.

Anonymous Anonymous March 17, 2014 5:55 PM  

One of the most dangerous places to go when you're ill is a hospital.

We could probably cut disease considerably by ending employer-paid and group health coverage, letting people go back to paying for their own regular care, so they'd be less likely to run to the doctor for every cold and earache and expose themselves to everything else.

Burning down the schools would help too, twice over -- reducing both the spread of disease and the advocacy of promiscuity.

Anonymous rtp March 17, 2014 6:05 PM  

I love your work Vox, but who the hell cares what the CDC has to say - except that we should probably believe the exact opposite?

Homosexuals didn't die young because of a harmless little retrovirus but because of the poppers, the late nights, the sugar, and the anal sex. Then of course there were the auto-suggestion consequences of telling someone they were going to die and giving them as many poisons as possible to "fight" the retrovirus.

Anonymous Laz March 17, 2014 6:05 PM  

"Although I suspect that gonorrhea is more prevalent among the AfAm community."

If hetero black females are top of the list for AIDS I suspect they'll right up there with that too.

"A little known fact my wife's 77 year old aunt told us a while back while at dinner discussing fishing: "You have to be careful when your fishing. My Uncle George got Gonorrhea from fishing. You can catch it from fishing..."

LOL. Me thinks somebody wasn't really fishing.

Anonymous Laz March 17, 2014 6:08 PM  

Seriously, have none of you seen the little doily thing they put on stethoscopes? It's like a glove for the stethoscope. I haven't seen a stethoscope without one in at least 10 years.

Anonymous Anonymous March 17, 2014 6:23 PM  

Homosexuals didn't die young because of a harmless little retrovirus but because of the poppers, the late nights, the sugar, and the anal sex.

Which is probably why Magic Johnson is still alive.

Blogger Unknown March 17, 2014 6:24 PM  

Homosexuals didn't die young because of a harmless little retrovirus but because of the poppers, the late nights, the sugar, and the anal sex.
Say that in the face of the 66 years old Elton John !

Blogger Nate March 17, 2014 6:24 PM  

"No need for that, merely have two stethoscopes and sterilize the one while the other is being used. Isopropyl alcohol should do the job fine."

/facepalm

Look... 99 times out of 100 the doc is putting the scope over a gown so it never touches a patient.

you're breathing more bacteria than you're going to get from the average stethoscope... and "being dirtier than a doctors hands" as the headline says shouldn't shock you. They wash there hands a few hundred times a day.

Anonymous Take The Red Pill March 17, 2014 6:26 PM  

Tiny Tim: "Gay men, also known as walking petri dishes."

Modern feminism-influenced women are also little more than walking petri dishes due to their prolific, socially-approved promiscuity.

Anonymous Luke March 17, 2014 6:27 PM  

JCclimber March 17, 2014 5:54 PM

"Any hospital that goes through Stethoscopes that quickly, I'd be happy to take all of them off their hands, I don't care WHAT disease the patient had. I'm sure I could clean and sterilize each of them and ship them off to some third world medical facility where they'd be welcome."

Nope. Remember Mad Cow and its relatives, caused by tiny things called prions? Autoclaving and harsh solvents don't do the job on those.

Anonymous Noah B. March 17, 2014 6:33 PM  

"First, they get wiped down with alcohol."

In my undergrad bacteriology class, we did a simple but enlightening experiment. We selected several surfaces of interest (tabletops, doorknobs, toiletbowls, restroom sink faucet handles, etc.) and took "before" sample swabs and inoculated agar plates with them. Then, each small area that had been sampled was cleaned with one of several solvents (70% isopropyl alcohol, Pine Sol, Windex, bleach, vinegar, and a couple of others), resampled, and inoculated on agar plates.

Everyone got the same result: there was virtually no difference in the types or final sizes of the bacterial colonies from the before and after samples, except in the case of bleach.

Blogger Cinco March 17, 2014 6:48 PM  

@Noah,

How were they cleaned? Alcohol only works through friction if you just dunked them or sprayed them, I would expect your results.

Anonymous civilServant March 17, 2014 6:49 PM  

Everyone got the same result: there was virtually no difference in the types or final sizes of the bacterial colonies from the before and after samples, except in the case of bleach.

Why are alcohol swabs used before injections?

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 17, 2014 6:59 PM  

1. Don't have sex with dudes.
2. If you can't follow one because you're a heterosexual female. Don't have sex with bi dudes or NAM's


Look, you can sodomize all day long without getting AIDS, as long as you always wear a condom. Every time. And it has to be beforehand. Not, "I just wanna feel it a little bit..." NO.

Gays, are you paying attention?

First, they get wiped down with alcohol. Second, they cost about a $100 dollars a piece for a Littman.

Copper is going run you about 140-170, but it'll be worth it. You probably would not need to make all of them copper, just ones around really sick patients like in the ICU.

The Soviets were making progress with Phage Therapy until antibiotics became common.

We're going to need plan B, C, and D here past traditional antibiotics. Maybe nanotechnology too.


I'd be happy to take all of them off their hands, I don't care WHAT disease the patient had. I'm sure I could clean and sterilize each of them and ship them off

Unless you have prion disease. Whoops!

Nope. Remember Mad Cow and its relatives, caused by tiny things called prions? Autoclaving and harsh solvents don't do the job on those.

Yeah. I can see the headlines now: "Face of a murderer: how one man's greed caused an epidemic in Africa. The people demand answers."

Why are alcohol swabs used before injections?

Idiocy?

Disarming a silent killer: Copper surfaces take out superbugs
Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC) microbiologist Michael Schmidt, Ph.D., said the results even surprised the researchers. He was expecting maybe a 10 percent reduction.

“We didn’t think we’d get a 60 percent difference...



This is why you have Idle here. Idle KNOWS.

Anonymous David March 17, 2014 7:14 PM  

Say that in the face of the 66 years old Elton John !

Elton John is pacing himself.

Anonymous RedJack March 17, 2014 7:32 PM  

dh,
Because of the situation with my bride, I have been learning a lot more about the practice of medicine than I had every hoped.

Our doc is good, but the go to response for most in our situation is "Abort the child". Never mind that the studies in Europe and other places who don't show good success, with minimal effects on the unborn child, they want to kill the baby.

Our doc says she has even less faith in the medical system than I do.

Anonymous RedJack March 17, 2014 7:34 PM  

Copper and silver... You know that there is a reason you used to have to use Copper water lines. It was a cheap way to kill bacteria. PVC doesn't kill much.

Anonymous zen0 March 17, 2014 7:45 PM  

@ Red Jack

Our doc says she has even less faith in the medical system than I do.

From recent personal experiences, I am beginning to think that female GP's are superior to males in terms of being more dedicated to accessing the system for maximum outcomes for their patients.

Anonymous Anonymous March 17, 2014 7:59 PM  

LOL, what came to my mind when I read this is how much I hate condoms and how happy I am to be married.

I’d just as soon not have sex as have sex with a condom.

Anonymous Noah B. March 17, 2014 8:02 PM  

"How were they cleaned?"

That may have been a weak point in the experiment, as I recall, since it's difficult to measure how rigorously someone actually wipes/rubs, and I don't think we were carefully instructed on that point. In my case, I simply wiped over surfaces a few times without any hard scrubbing. It would be interesting to re-try that experiment and add another variable for scrubbing duration. Another interesting thing -- the sink handle and the doorknob samples grew far larger colonies than the toilets.

Blogger CM March 17, 2014 8:07 PM  

the sink handle and the doorknob samples grew far larger colonies than the toilets.

Would this be because most (if not all) toilet cleaning agents contain bleach, while door knobs and sink handles are usually exposed to light disinfectant spray (if not overlooked completely)?

People tend to be zealous in the big areas, while overlooking the small - so I'm not entirely surprised by that observation

- C

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2014 8:10 PM  

Shocking that Vox Day discusses AIDS like it's a disease (and not a constellation of symptoms from a moving target list of actual diseases), especially when his blog takes a dissenting view on so many other mainstream narratives.

Peter Duesberg (google him) still nailed this whole AIDS snafu from Day 1. The HIV-AIDS hypothesis violates Koch's Postulates from start to finish, but never let a good narrative get in the way of billions of dollars in loot.

N. gonorrhea cannot exist outside of very, very special incubation conditions OR a human body for very long (minutes?). It would be gone in months if promiscuity was not the norm for humans.

I recall getting the bacterial growth media from (mostly) oral swabs used to test for gonorrhea from inmates in the Illinois prison system (this was 31 years ago). None of them ever grew anything, but that was because the cells on the swab died before getting swabbed onto the plate...NOT because those inmates were free of oral clap.

I'm with others: Drug Resistant TB is the one to really, REALLY worry about, with the nasty, drug-resistant bugs found mostly in hospitals being the runner up.

Get antibiotics OUT OF ANIMAL FEED. And shoot the m-f'ers who ever suggest it was okay.

Blogger tz March 17, 2014 8:12 PM  

There was Dr. Erlich's magic arsenic bullet, and IIRC they used Potassium Permanganate to treat (named after the symptoms when present) Gonorrhea.

Here is one place the MSM - both sides - are ignoring a flashing neon danger sign. Of course the Left didn't care how many Gay people died - they were so afraid of reporting the truth - that their activity was literally killing them with AIDS. The right too also has been silent. One effect of gonorrhea is sterility. Maybe the right is counting on a form of eugenics.

But this is why I have to find an archipelago of alternative media - the truth is out there, but scattered.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 17, 2014 8:14 PM  

http://duesberg.com/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/07/30/animal-feed-antibiotics.aspx

Anonymous kh123 March 17, 2014 8:23 PM  

At this point, I'm kind of hoping Gara will come back to rail against the article, telling us that these mutational events won't alter human behavior while at the same time altering it.

Anonymous Godfrey March 17, 2014 8:25 PM  

I'm beginning to believe that the world will not survive the Boomers. They are a curse upon humanity.

Anonymous CLK March 17, 2014 8:36 PM  

Phages ... that will be next treatment

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter March 17, 2014 8:39 PM  

Bacteriophages are sexists:

"Attachment and penetration"

Anonymous zen0 March 17, 2014 8:40 PM  

I'm beginning to believe that the world will not survive the Boomers. They are a curse upon humanity.

A popular opinion, but in the bigger picture,the curse of humanity is in its sinful nature. Boomers may have indulged in that nature more than most but no one individual or generation is immune.

Boomers are more of a curse on humanity in the civilization that "won" WWII. Sometimes winning a war costs more that losing.

Anonymous Tom Bri March 17, 2014 9:08 PM  

Phage treatments haven't panned out yet.
In my nursing training, it is constantly hammered into us to change gloves, wipe down equipment, including stethoscopes. First thing I do getting home from the hospital is drop my scrubs in a bucket of bleach water. Shoes stay in the garage.
Some hospitals are slowly moving back to using brass fixtures as the value of copper in reducing microbes is becoming known. Expense is the problem.

Anonymous RedJack March 17, 2014 9:19 PM  

Zeno,
If we got one of the other doc's that are in the area, I may be in jail for assault. A college roomate of mine found out his daughter had spinoa bifita. The doc told them to "flush and try again!" My friend is 6'3" and 300 lbs. They had to pry his fingers off the guys throat.

For the antibiotics in animal feed, people wanted cheap meat a lots of it. Dosing a calf up to the top with antibiotics will make them gain fast on less feed. It also means that when (Not if) your herds gets a nasty bug, it is all going to have to be put down.

That is the real trouble with herd "imunity". It never works the way the salesmen tells you it should.

Anonymous RedJack March 17, 2014 9:21 PM  

We have toyed with phage treatments in industry (working in the food industry you realize just how hard bugs are to kill).

They work, for a time, in a very narrow area. But the main trouble is you start to wonder if the stuff you are dosing is going to come back and get you.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 17, 2014 9:28 PM  

This is what quality people look like after reading an Idle post here at the Popoli.

Anonymous zen0 March 17, 2014 9:44 PM  

In my nursing training, it is constantly hammered into us to change gloves, wipe down equipment, including stethoscopes.

Here we have those little gel dispensers to wipe one's hands. Some supermarkets have them as well. The only people in the hospital I see using them are visitors.

Oh, yah, and the incurable alcoholic guy that escapes so he can ingest the contents. That tends to be a bit of a problem at our local hospital.

Anonymous zen0 March 17, 2014 9:49 PM  

@ Idle Spectator:

This is what quality people look like after reading an Idle post here at the Popoli.

Dude. Maybe you should think about seeking gainful employment. Even part-time might be therapeutic.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic March 17, 2014 9:52 PM  

AIDS was the warning and the medical and political establishments completely failed in their responsibilities in the face of the gay community acting up. One sincerely hopes they will do better the next time around. Because the next time does not appear to be very far off.

Next time will probably be fourth and long, not third and long. When the next outbreak happens, the healthy will just shove the ill into quarantine and pray.

That's what should have been done when AIDS broke out. The bath houses should have been shut down and anal intercourse outlawed. Put such behavior back in the closet where it belongs. Homosexuals and drug addicts should have been quarantined and provided palliative care. Now we have these walking petri dishes out there who have to ingest toxic drug cocktails every day to provide them with a simulacrum of health.

I can't think about this too long or I get angry and depressed and that's bad for my immune system.

Anonymous emdfl March 17, 2014 10:17 PM  

DofC friend of mine who segued into specializing in bad things that nobody else can fix is a serious believer in silver as an antiseptic both internally and externally. Also firmly on the side of juices and eating your veggies.
He's got a connection to a guy to makes something called "Carvacal(?)", which is some kind of concentrated oregano phenols. Stuff will flat kill anything. I used it on a couple of benign(as in that they hadn't gone malignent YET) facial melanomas and the damn things were done in about two weeks. Put it on a wart. Gone in about a week. Down side is when you open the bottle inside the house, the place smells like a bad pizza joint for about an hour.

Anonymous civilServant March 17, 2014 10:21 PM  

Boomers are more of a curse on humanity in the civilization that "won" WWII.

Well. "Boomers" also successfully navigated the cold war without everyone dying. They left other problems for you to attend yes. But at least you are all still here. We can only hope that you perform as well.

Sometimes winning a war costs more that losing.

Something every end-of-the-world libertarian may wish to consider.

Blogger David March 17, 2014 10:22 PM  

IMO, the zeitgeist is all about perversity. Every epidemic in the 21st century will be responded to by making sacred cows of it's vectors.

http://notmartinbashir.blogspot.com/2014/02/open-thread.html?showComment=1395109036056#c7595175700087634660

Anonymous Laz March 17, 2014 10:31 PM  

"Shocking that Vox Day discusses AIDS like it's a disease (and not a constellation of symptoms from a moving target list of actual diseases), especially when his blog takes a dissenting view on so many other mainstream narratives."

Catch HIV- die of AIDS. Most, if not all, of the people here realize this... Captain Obvious.

Anonymous Laz March 17, 2014 10:34 PM  

" Down side is when you open the bottle inside the house, the place smells like a bad pizza joint for about an hour."

I'm actually thinking of ordering a pizza now. lol

Anonymous gwood March 17, 2014 10:39 PM  


"Carvacal(?)"

Carvacrol .

Anonymous Roissy Acolyte March 17, 2014 11:10 PM  

The numbers and rates of reported chlamydia and gonorrhea cases are highest in Americans between the ages of 15 and 24, most notably those who live in the South, although blacks constituted the majority of all racial groups.

Embrace the pump and dump philosophy, gents!


"Burning down the schools would help too, twice over -- reducing both the spread of disease and the advocacy of promiscuity"

Indeed, cali, indeed, especially with those snot-nosed indoctrinated rug rats remaining inside. That is the only way parents will learn about the infection known as liberalism.

Anonymous dh March 17, 2014 11:31 PM  

Part of my business is analytic, and I did some work for a large south western
US based airline. This airline is infamous because it has an active "customers
of size" policy; fatties must buy two seats if they can't get both armrests
down. This airline was being targeted by some pro-fat group because they
actively enforced the policy, and on full flights, forced fatties to buy extra
seats or wait for a later flight.

The data was conclusive: a fat person boycott would save the airline millions
and boost their profitability enough that executives with stock options
would make loads. Most fatties already don't fly and are rightfully nervous
about fitting themselves into a seat 17 inches wide. Fatties who do fly
with only 1 seat always end up causing a bad flight for another, who takes it
out on the airline. And finally the average fattie who flys weights 75lbs more
than the median weight. The extra weight is equivalent of carrying 25% more
passengers. Everything is more expensive with fatties. More
bathrooms, more seating fixes, more snacks, everything. The point being that
the data doesn't lie. The airline told the fattie group to stick it, and that
fairness dictates you buy two seats if one won't do it. They appreciated and
acted on the data and analysis. (I also suggested that they double their
advertising in places where slim people are - health/lifestyle magazines,
workout supply catalogs, runners websites, swimming enthusiasts, etc. Every
0.1% decrease in fatties offset by a 0.1% increase in runners or similar has a
ripple effect of profitability throughout the organization).

I've also done analysis for hospitals and in a few cases doctors. I did a study of a surgeon
who wanted to increase his billing. He was very good, perhaps top 2%. But
he wasn't making the money he thought he should be making, and that his less
skilled colleagues were making. After a long study I had a lot of
recommendations to maximize his billing. An example: the doctor complained that a
lot of times, he didn't feel like stopping for a long lunch, but it was built into
his schedule so that if he wanted a good lunch, he could have it. After determining
that the number one complaint was that new patients who wanted to see the
doctor could never get an appointment, I suggested that he move his lunch from 12 to 1, keep it booked for
90 minutes, and tell new patients they could come, first come/first serve for
their 20 minute appointment (or wait for a regular appointment six months or
so), any day from 1 to 2:30. I showed the doctor that he could quite easily
skip the long lunch, eat something at his desk, and see 4 patients in that time,
generating new patients (and new surgeries) and also being a hero to his newest
patients. And if he felt he needed or wanted a long-lunch, the new patients
would just either go away pissed (the same outcome as the original no-
appointment for 6 months problem), or come back the next day in the same time
slot. If he worked every day for an extra hour, he would double his patient
list in 9 months, and add about $2 million a year to his bottom line. Every six
months when I check-in, he's not done the work. His staff tells me 4 out of 5
days he sees no new patients, and the other day he sees one or two. He likes
his 90 minute lunches so much that he's giving up 80% of his income for it.

This is just two little anecdotes, but it re-enforces what I've seen of the
medical profession. They are terminally politically correct now. They are
afraid of patients ignoring them or berating them or pushing back. The AIDS
thing is instructive. And it's going to cost the rest of us dearly if they
don't get back to simply telling the people what the data says will happen to
them. It's uncomplicated. "Do not harm" doesn't mean that you tell Shaneqah
and Karen that being 125 lbs overweight and 150 lbs over slim is fine because
it's their body type, or whatever.

Anonymous Xer March 17, 2014 11:48 PM  

"Well. "Boomers" also successfully navigated the cold war without everyone dying. They left other problems for you to attend yes. But at least you are all still here. We can only hope that you perform as well."

Actually that was Reagan that led the "navigation" through the Cold War and he wasn't a boomer and was/is hated by the left which many boomers are. So try again and thanks for playing.

Anonymous The other skeptic March 17, 2014 11:49 PM  

Ozone and low dose Peroxide kills MRSA? Maybe fudge packers can wax their peckers with it.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 18, 2014 1:06 AM  

Dude. Maybe you should think about seeking gainful employment. Even part-time might be therapeutic.

Don't be jealous.

Anonymous Vidad March 18, 2014 1:26 AM  

"He likes his 90 minute lunches so much that he's giving up 80% of his income for it."

That's pathetic... and typical. Fear is a better motivator than potential rewards.

If you told him you'd shoot him in the head if he didn't double his income, he'd double his income. If you tell him that he'll double his income by reducing his lunch hour... well... that's just too hard to manage.

Anonymous Vidad March 18, 2014 1:27 AM  

@ Idle Spectator

You're on fire today.

Anonymous kh123 March 18, 2014 2:39 AM  

It's enough to look at the handle now. Don't even need to bother anymore.

Anonymous kh123 March 18, 2014 3:04 AM  

And as always - whether it's getting past the number 3 when it comes to counting the number of homo serial killers relative to general gay demographic, turning an analysis of historic Christianity into Dan Brown-meets-Those Whacky Elders of Zion, or some other clusterf*ck of an argument that eventually turns into her very own special Biography, hosted by Peter Graves...

It's Ann Morgan. Turning every molehill into f*cking Mt. Improbable since God knows when - not so much the plausibility of the subject itself as the inability of her 166 I.Q. to comprehend it.

Anonymous Idle Spectator March 18, 2014 4:56 AM  

You're on fire today.

That's just the gonorrhea burning brightly.


Oh, and it should be Yersinia pestis. The genus is capitalized, the species is lowercase. And it is Neisseria gonorrhoeae or N. gonorrhoeae, not Neisseria gonorrhea.

Blogger Tommy Hass March 18, 2014 5:01 AM  

" A college roomate of mine found out his daughter had spinoa bifita. The doc told them to "flush and try again!" My friend is 6'3" and 300 lbs. They had to pry his fingers off the guys throat. "

The cute part is: you just KNOW he'd be one of those guys who thinks hitting women is wrong, under any circumstances, because they're weaker physically.

But trying to kill someone who most likely isn't 300 lbs for making a tasteless comment? That's just common sense. I always hope for a bit of iced tea and skittles action in this case.

In fact, I wonder how cool these people would feel if that was the punishment for actions like this, much like in less civilized regions. "You touch one my people like that? We eliminate you, including your wife and children." Wonder how eager they would be to commit attempted homicide for WORDS.

Anonymous FrankNorman March 18, 2014 7:09 AM  

I've noticed that those Plague posts are vanishing. Vox or Spacebunny at work?

Anonymous Andre March 18, 2014 9:02 AM  

"The director of NYC’s Gay Men’s Health Crisis was quoted as saying,

“We’re never going to solve this epidemic until people understand how important it is for me to have a cock in my ass and another in my mouth.”

This quote should be posted every single time gay rights come up."

I searched and searched for a source to that quote but, alas, no direct link seems to exist. If it did, it would be the magic bullet, the weapon to kill fag rhetoric quickly and effortlessly always and forever. A pity.

Anonymous Noah B. March 18, 2014 10:48 AM  

"Would this be because most (if not all) toilet cleaning agents contain bleach, while door knobs and sink handles are usually exposed to light disinfectant spray (if not overlooked completely)?"

I really don't know, but that's a reasonable guess.

Blogger Marissa March 18, 2014 11:27 AM  

A college roomate of mine found out his daughter had spinoa bifita. The doc told them to "flush and try again!"

A friend of my fiance's family were also instructed to do this. I believe their child was diagnosed with this in the womb. The doctors told all these lurid stories to the couple about how disfigured and horrifying their child would look like when she was born. While she was born with some skeletal issues, she looked just fine--they made it seem like the Elephant Man was going to come out in child form.

They are afraid of patients ignoring them or berating them or pushing back.

Unless you try explaining to them that you've lost a bunch of weight and have awesome blood lipids because you've increased your saturated fat intake and lost the hearthealthywholegrains. Then they get a backbone over those eight hours of nutrition they took 10 years ago.

But trying to kill someone who most likely isn't 300 lbs for making a tasteless comment?

"Kill your innocent child" is no tasteless comment. The Molech sacrifice industry is alive and well and this demon just referred to it jokingly. What do you think should happen to people who encourage and condone child murder? He should at least fear the death he so callously wishes upon innocent children in the womb.

Anonymous Don March 18, 2014 12:43 PM  

Marissa - We should just call it 'infanticide' and 'child sacrifice'. I shudder to think of the judgement we have earned. Carthage was sown with salt for much less. I can only hope we have mercy rather than justice.

Blogger Markku March 18, 2014 4:05 PM  

For that particular comment I would have understood killing, although just for societal reasons there probably should have still been a legal penalty.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 18, 2014 4:09 PM  

Marissa March 18, 2014 11:27 AM
What do you think should happen to people who encourage and condone child murder? He should at least fear the death he so callously wishes upon innocent children in the womb.



Tommy is ( supposedly ) Turk muslim and the subject under discussion is the life of an infidel's child.

don't expect much sympathy from that quarter.




Tommy Hass March 18, 2014 5:01 AM
Wonder how eager they would be to commit attempted homicide for WORDS.



a - if a 300lb man has you by the throat and your trachea does NOT get ripped out ... he's not trying to kill you

b - sociopaths and Cluster B personalities are especially prone to being unable to understand WHY what they say causes so much offense. language is, after all, nothing more than a tool to manipulate others ( in their conceptualization )

that's why dueling works as a means to keep the level of neurodeviants in the gen pop down. sociopaths, borderlines and narcissists practically CANNOT avoid shitting on people on a regular basis.

rubbing your face in the fact that they have gotten away with lying to you is a common power play and social dominance game with them.

Anonymous civilServant March 18, 2014 6:16 PM  

Actually that was Reagan that led the "navigation" through the Cold War

One man?

Anonymous Double Standard March 19, 2014 8:38 AM  

Marissa wrote: **"Kill your innocent child" is no tasteless comment. The Molech sacrifice industry is alive and well and this demon just referred to it jokingly. What do you think should happen to people who encourage and condone child murder? He should at least fear the death he so callously wishes upon innocent children in the womb.**

"The moral thing to do is kill the child" - Vox Day

So does your principle apply to everyone? Or is it ok for straight, white conservative males to kill children like Vox believes? Because bible.

Anonymous Double Standard March 19, 2014 8:42 AM  

Don wrote: "We should just call it 'infanticide' and 'child sacrifice'. I shudder to think of the judgement we have earned. Carthage was sown with salt for much less. I can only hope we have mercy rather than justice."

"The moral thing to do is kill the child" - Vox Day

Nothing to worry about. There's plenty of verses in the bible that give you an out for killing children. Vox is fond of supporting them. Carthage's only mistake was killing children for Molech, rather than for Yahweh.

Blogger Markku March 19, 2014 10:48 AM  

No, but because the scenario that Vox responds to involves a counter-factual.

Anonymous civilServant March 19, 2014 12:51 PM  

@Double Standard

"The moral thing to do is kill the child" - Vox Day

From where are you quoting this?

Blogger Markku March 19, 2014 2:39 PM  

That exact quote doesn't exist, despite the quotation marks. He's trying to paraphrase this post.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 19, 2014 2:46 PM  

Double Standard is Ann Morgan?

Anonymous Don March 19, 2014 4:38 PM  

Double Standard - Please show me the verse that authorizes the killing of any unborn child for any reason (the legal fact of abortion in the USA).

@Bob - and yes probably Ann she can't go away.

Anonymous civilServant March 19, 2014 4:53 PM  

He's trying to paraphrase this post.

(Thanks.)

Our illustrious blog host really should convert to Islam.

Blogger Markku March 19, 2014 7:10 PM  

Our illustrious blog host really should convert to Islam.

In this, if someone doesn't hold the same opinion as Vox, then I either don't think they are Christian, or they are very confused about their beliefs.

Blogger Markku March 19, 2014 7:16 PM  

However, one should still understand the counter-factual nature of the scenario. It simply postulates this:

"If your god revealed to you in a set of flawless communications you could not dispute"

...without asking if the person actually believes this might happen. In reality, said communication would ALWAYS be disputed due to the fact that God wouldn't reveal such a thing.

Anonymous bob k. mando March 19, 2014 9:59 PM  

Markku March 19, 2014 7:16 PM
due to the fact that God wouldn't reveal such a thing.




'every child'? no.

'every child of a tribe'? quite possible.

of course, this is exactly the kind of goofy thing that Ann gets hung up on. if God orders every single child of a tribe to be killed ... it's because he's ordering every single person in the tribe to be killed.

at which point, getting finicky about <2 year olds seems kind of absurd.

Anonymous Double Standard March 19, 2014 11:03 PM  

**due to the fact that God wouldn't reveal such a thing.**

Nope. God revealing it isn't necessary. Vox's quotation was from his post regarding how a wife should submit to her husband, 100% of the time, no exceptions. When asked if the wife should submit if the husband wanted to kill the child, after a lot of typical weaseling, Vox finally said: "The moral thing to do is kill the child."

Given that, at least have the integrity to stop the games. Nobody who subscribes to Vox's brand of Christianity has any concern over the 'lives' of 'the children' except insofar as a pretended concern is useful as a tool for controlling people other than straight, white, males.

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Anonymous civilServant March 20, 2014 8:13 PM  

Our illustrious blog host really should convert to Islam.

In this, if someone doesn't hold the same opinion as Vox, then I either don't think they are Christian, or they are very confused about their beliefs.


Not at all. Christianity defines God as Love but Allah is defined as pure will. "Might = Right" is as Moslem as it gets. "To Paradise, and I don't care. To the flames, and I don't care." If he defines "good" as merely "God's will" then he would be quite comfortable with Islam.

Except of course that Islam is flatly deterministic (calvinist). This probably is the only thing keeping him from it.

Anonymous Frank Furdek March 22, 2014 9:56 AM  

"Christianity defines God as Love but Allah is defined as pure will."

"Might = Right" is as Moslem as it gets. "To Paradise, and I don't care."


Because terrorism.

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