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Wednesday, May 07, 2014

A second wind

Political correctness is vital to the Left, because disqualification is the only form of argument they have left to them:
This ubiquity of “check your privilege” suggests that political correctness is now entering a second generation and gaining a second wind.  While political correctness previously concentrated on race and gender, the new focus on inequality seems to have emboldened the campus left to put class back on the list of identity politics.  Of course, using the phrase “check your privilege” to cut off debate on campus is not nearly as destructive as what communists did to people who were from the “wrong” class. Many children of privilege then were sent to reeducation camps to reflect or were even silenced never to speak again.  But it stems from the same impulse to replace reason with power.

This new form of an old disorder also shows that despite the orthodoxy on many campuses many left-liberals remain very afraid of classical liberal and conservative dissent.  Just as students who protested Condi Rice’s prospective graduation speech at Rutgers showed strength in numbers but weakness in intellectual confidence, so do those who parrot this new campus slogan.  If your underlying argument is flawed, you do need a force other than logic and evidence to sustain your position.  Political correctness is an admission of intellectual frailty.
My privilege is my intelligence. It's hardly my fault that the other side correctly sees itself as being disadvantaged and underprivileged.

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Anonymous progboy May 07, 2014 1:06 PM  

"My privilege is my intelligence" <<< Micro-aggression.

Anonymous civilServant May 07, 2014 1:12 PM  

But it stems from the same impulse to replace reason with power.

He means universally accepted reason. Power often trumps "reason" because 1) personal reasoning seldom is accepted universally and 2) power is universally understood and applicable.

"It is against the law to drive sixty miles and hour in a residential section."

"You cannot tell me how to live! Statist!"

"You are under arrest."

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:15 PM  

I need a 1911 with "privilege" scrolled into the grips...

Anonymous Sensei May 07, 2014 1:17 PM  

Shall the Che t-shirts now be replaced by Pol Pot? He might have broken a few eggs in addressing the 1% problem of his day, but let's face it, the man knew how to check some privilege.

Blogger Joshua_D May 07, 2014 1:17 PM  

"But a university is concerned with refining reason not exercising power, and the political focus on the person should not be allowed to distort the contest of ideas."

If only that were true.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 1:21 PM  

Nate - Thread winner!

Anonymous Ivan Poland May 07, 2014 1:22 PM  

We get things a little later in the Islands than in America... working at Aloha U I haven't heard this (yet) but when it is aimed at me what would be a good response? I like what Vox said, are there any other retorts?

When the fascist bomb is tossed I calmly ask the tosser (heh) to define fascism. When they can't (or get it wrong) I then ask them how they can label someone something they don't understand. They don't have a good answer for that.

Anonymous dw May 07, 2014 1:22 PM  

This must only be an elitist/upper-middle class Northeast or West Coast thing cause i've never come across someone who said "check your privilege", even at the HBCU I attended (I'm white). Then again, I live in the South so there's that.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 07, 2014 1:23 PM  

He means universally accepted reason. Power often trumps "reason" because 1) personal reasoning seldom is accepted universally and 2) power is universally understood and applicable.

What we might call "civilization" is largely the process of reaching agreement on a set of reasoning that is "universally" accepted. Of course, "universal" isn't obtainable with humans, if you get to 85%+, you're doing really well. You make up the rest with power.

But it matters how big that gap is. If you have a society where 85% of the people agree on the basics and only 15% need to be coerced into line, that society will be a lot more functional (and stable) than one where 15% agree and 85% have to be ordered around at gunpoint.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 1:25 PM  

@Ted LeBee

That's verbatim from the comments, are you presenting them as your own or just trolling them here?

That's not the way "check your privilege" is usually presented. It used more like "shut up, what you think or say doesn't matter because you're a white guy".

What you wrote would be better presented as "walk a mile in my shoes", or "try to see things from another perspective" or something like that. Still not much of an argument, but it's not quite as trite or angry parrot sounding.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:26 PM  

"For white men born in or welcomed into this system, it is an unearned privilege."

Wrong. It is a privilege earned by the blood of their ancestors. Its right there in the preamble of the constitution. "To ourselves and our posterity". Do ya know what posterity means captain?

Blogger Joshua_D May 07, 2014 1:28 PM  

Don May 07, 2014 1:21 PM

Nate - Thread winner!


Yep. I'm making a note of that.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:28 PM  

"Nate - Thread winner!"

I mean isn't that classic?

idiot: you need to check your privilege!

Nate: ***looks down at right hip*** yep.

Anonymous map May 07, 2014 1:30 PM  

Ted,

"Libertarians rant about the burdens government imposes on them – while never noticing the bumps that aren’t in the road, the gunfire that doesn’t break out every night, the infectious diseases that aren’t ravishing their bodies all thanks to government interventions. They also suffer from a form of First World privilege."

So what is this supposed to mean? Because so forms of collective action work I should simply have the government tell me what to do? I should be okay with the government negating my medical career because it wants me to be a ditch digger?

What you asshats fail to understand is that government power is about the conflict over planning. If I plan my life, then the government cannot plan my life. If the government plans my life, then I cannot plan my life. That is the source of the conflict.

The goal of statists is just to have everyone submit to their will so others can be reduced to resources. You will work and they will eat is the mantra of the State.

Blogger Joshua_D May 07, 2014 1:31 PM  

patrick kelly May 07, 2014 1:25 PM

What you wrote would be better presented as "walk a mile in my shoes", or "try to see things from another perspective" or something like that. Still not much of an argument, but it's not quite as trite or angry parrot sounding.


And of course, someone should be able to articulate that in the form of an argument or explanation, rather than simply spout "Shut Up Whitey!" aka "Check your privilege", which is the entire point of the article.

Ted LeBee needs to check his reading comprehension.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 07, 2014 1:32 PM  

The admonition “Check your privilege” can be understood as an invitation to broaden your perspective.

If you're a spineless idiot.

The mugger yelling "Shut up and give me your money!" while waving a knife in your face isn't offering you a chance to broaden your perspective on public discourse and income inequality. He's stealing your money. If he runs into you next week, he'll steal it again. And he'll keep stealing it until he runs into Nate and his M1911 with the fancy new grips.

Then he won't steal money from anyone any more.

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 1:32 PM  

I'll also borrow from the comments.

"The linguistic shifting of ground is deliberate. Any number of factors can grant a person advantage, including skill, hard work, or dumb luck. Etymologically, privilege has its roots in the term ‘private law’, and carries the implication that some authority has granted it. Check your Marxism."

Most of us white guys don't experience some unique privilege granted by authority. Closer scrutiny of the notorious 1% or better groups might dig up some, but my ancestors fought and scraped their way into Texas from Mexico, or came off boats on the east coast quickly conscripted to fight for the US Republic against the Confederate south.

FOAD

Anonymous Josh May 07, 2014 1:34 PM  

I think Tad has yet another new name

Blogger buzzardist May 07, 2014 1:34 PM  

While I agree with a lot of what McGinnis says, particularly about "privilege" being an intellectually, dialectically weak claim that serves merely to shut down debate, I do think that he misreads what a lot of this "privilege" talk is usually about. Occasionally, yes, someone might talk about class privilege. Well over 95 percent of the time on a college campus, however, when "check your privilege" is uttered, it's a statement about race, gender, and/or sexuality, most often about the first two. It's said to a white (straight) male who dared offer a political opinion that happened to step on the toes of someone non-white and/or female, or occasionally someone homosexual. Very rarely, someone will try to "check" someone's class, but this is a risky ploy--so many people in college do come from working-class backgrounds making the claim just about class privilege is highly prone to backfire. It's much safer if one can intermingle race and gender.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:35 PM  

Interesting to note... ted thinks blacks in africa need to check their privilege because they have never lived in a world where their skin color and style of dress is not the default setting.

Blogger Robert What? May 07, 2014 1:36 PM  

Decades ago there used to be some privileges to being a responsible, hardworking, tax paying adult male in recognition of what they were sacrificing. However while the sacrifices and responsibilities are still there, the perks and privileges are gone. Basically our society is coasting on the past producers and the dwindling number of current producers. As the momentum runs out it will be interesting to see the reactions of the takers. Will they suddenly appreciate the laws of physics or will they continue to believe they can somehow be repealed?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 1:37 PM  

"I think Tad has yet another new name"

Heh, the comments lifted by Ted L. above were posted by:

"nobody.really"

heh.....

Blogger og May 07, 2014 1:38 PM  

Nate: I can make that happen for you, if you'd like. The grips anyway, you'll have to supply your own 1911

"My privilege is my intelligence. It's hardly my fault that the other side correctly sees itself as being disadvantaged and underprivileged. "

I am stealing that like a mofo.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:38 PM  

What these ingrates call "privilege" only exists here because white men built it here. Real privilege is your dumb ass getting to live here and reap the benefits of something your ancestors didn't bleed for.

Blogger James Jones May 07, 2014 1:39 PM  

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Blogger James Dixon May 07, 2014 1:40 PM  

> I have never been harassed by the police or felt nervous around them, for that matter. I have never been followed around in stores, asked where I'm really from...

How wonderful for you. What about those of us who have?

Blogger James Jones May 07, 2014 1:41 PM  

'However it is insulting to our intelligence for a White male to not acknowledge his privilege and pretend it doesn't exist. Even worse for a White male to claim that he is somehow being discriminated against, please!'
- Ted LeBee

I'm sorry, but whenever someone is refused something regardless of merit, it is discrimination. Doesn't matter what your skin color is. People like you, who are seemingly so concerned with social justice are so quick to dispense with it when it is needed by white people. I just detest this kind of dishonesty. You are not after justice at all - you are after something far more insidious.

Anonymous Alexander May 07, 2014 1:45 PM  

Ted LeBee,

Did anyone every question George W. Bush's intelligence? He was a white man who went to Yale and then Harvard business school! Only president with an MBA!

But yeah, point taken. His intelligence was never, ever, not once, by anyone, questioned.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 1:46 PM  

"Nate: I can make that happen for you, if you'd like. The grips anyway, you'll have to supply your own 1911"

awesome! what materials do you use?

Anonymous Rico May 07, 2014 1:46 PM  

@Ted
I'm calling you out. I decided in 2007 that Obama had very little intelligence when it came to problem solving by looking at his legislation in the Illinois Senate which he likely wrote himself. Am I ignorant for having this opinion and would you say that I have a reasonable point to call him unintelligent without expanding on what aspect of intelligence I find him to be lacking?

Anonymous Alexander May 07, 2014 1:48 PM  

The irony here is of course, that Ted believes that people from Ivy League schools should have the privilege of we inferiors from ever questioning their wisdom.

Blogger Russell May 07, 2014 1:51 PM  

"Shut up," the leftists explained.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 1:53 PM  

I have never been told my heterosexuality is a choice and a sin, never had my life threatened for being a Trayvon Martin in a suburban neighborhood, never specifically planned my route home to avoid being sexually harassed or assaulted or raped

You're still young. Don't give up hope yet.

Anonymous dw May 07, 2014 1:53 PM  

The easiest way to offend these fourth-wits, that I've seen, is to simply deny you have privilege. The exploding heads of UMC rage at our forthright "ignorance" are truly delightful to behold.

I suppose saying, "I EARNED my privilege" is a close second, followed by, "I don't care about [Group X's] lack of privilege." Maybe our resident liberals can give it a go in order of most offensive to least offensive.

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Anonymous easy answer you guys May 07, 2014 1:55 PM  

TadTedFaggotWhateverIgnore

Anonymous DrTorch May 07, 2014 1:55 PM  

No matter how much [sic] I've gone through...

I have never...


Your mistake is that you assume this is true for everyone else. It's not. So take your own cue: check your privilege and shut up.

Anonymous Sensei May 07, 2014 1:56 PM  

I tried to do a bit of black-knighting with some 'honest liberals' and asked them if they thought it seems wrong that the ones who decide what privilege is and isn't are themselves members of the privileged class.

Some people said I had confused them, one said she knew what I meant, but then proceeded to explain to the others that what I meant was that those who decide what privilege is must also be very careful to check their own privilege. It was almost exactly like the "his name is Robert Paulson" moment from Fight Club, a bit surreal.

Anonymous Cranberry May 07, 2014 1:56 PM  

Nate, I'll add that to my list of Pretty Wanted Things.

Ted, Maya called, you're needed back at the hive.

Fortgang's original essay was so on target, I wanted to drive over to campus and personally say "thank you."

While this type of resistance doesn't seem to do any good to those who suffer from a leftist mindset, it's real value is in convincing those on the fence. I learned that lesson here reading through some of threads on logic, debate, and dialectic vs. rhetoric. 20+ years of education and I have to get valuable info like that from the internet, 15 years after college.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 1:57 PM  

The admonition “Check your privilege” can be understood as an invitation to broaden your perspective.

Similarly, the admonition "jam it up your cake hole" can be understood as an invitation to reconsider the arrogant (and unsupported) assumptions inherent in your assertion.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 1:58 PM  

OT speaking of trolls Andrew chased John Wright over to his new columnist gig to complain about Vox. With screen caps no less. It takes a special kind of obsession to hunt down every mention of someone anywhere by anyone. The closest thing I can think of is actual worship.

Too bad you don't get to choose your worshipers.

Blogger Dark Herald May 07, 2014 1:59 PM  

"Privilege," is absolutely brilliant!

It is the ultimate disqualifier. You can use it on anyone for something. If a man has less of one thing he usually has more of something else. If your privilege isn't money, maybe it's looks. Maybe you can play a guitar but I can't. If you are the second generation child of Vietnamese boat people your privilege is probably a strong work ethic and good grades. That's deeply unfair when you are as lazy and shiftless as I am.

Bottom line privilege is the ultimate goal post mover, it is a universal game changer. Privilege is an ingenious disqualifier that once deployed, means that whatever your privilege is, I longer have to listen to damn thing you have to say because of it.

Imagine if different seeds of Barack Obama's life had taken root and he became a Republican. Who would listen to anything, such a privileged oreo had to say about anything.

Blogger Unknown May 07, 2014 1:59 PM  

Does Maury host this, too?

Anonymous Pajama Boy May 07, 2014 2:00 PM  

If you hear the words “Check your privilege” it means you hate niggers. It's simple. Clear. Understandable. The only people who fail to comprehend are racists.

Anonymous Josh May 07, 2014 2:01 PM  

Check your privilege is essentially just a repackaging of ad hominem.

Anonymous Cranberry May 07, 2014 2:03 PM  

"Privilege" is the new raciss. Seems like enough people woke up and said "Racist? Yeah, whatever" that a new term was needed.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 2:06 PM  

"Check your privilege" is simply the abbreviated form of "When you get right down to it, I'm really no smarter than John Scalzi."

Anonymous AmyJ May 07, 2014 2:10 PM  

Whites have to be the only race on the planet where a significant portion hates their own people so much that they call their successes "privilege" and proceed to act as a doormat for those that would leave them in the dust without a second thought. How does that kind of backward thinking even originate?

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 2:12 PM  

Political correctness is also crucial to the left because it's an excellent way to make intelligent people stupid. Many leftists were born with brains that function quite well, so they have to be trained to be stupid about all the necessary topics. PC provides them with plenty of practice in not seeing, not thinking, not reasoning, not making logical connections. Once that becomes habitual, only then can they be consistently stupid enough to maintain their leftism without slipping.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 07, 2014 2:13 PM  

Decades ago there used to be some privileges to being a responsible, hardworking, tax paying adult male in recognition of what they were sacrificing. However while the sacrifices and responsibilities are still there, the perks and privileges are gone. Basically our society is coasting on the past producers and the dwindling number of current producers.

Only thing I can say to that is, yep.

Anonymous DrTorch May 07, 2014 2:15 PM  

We get things a little later in the Islands than in America... working at Aloha U I haven't heard this (yet) but when it is aimed at me what would be a good response?

Them: Check your privilege.

You: You ain't got no chili.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 2:16 PM  

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Anonymous Daniel May 07, 2014 2:17 PM  

Break like the wind, you crazy privilege. Break like the wind.

Anonymous Cranberry May 07, 2014 2:19 PM  

AmyJ, it originates with the Frankfurt School and the Long March Through The Institutions. Public school, and nowadays even private schools, are the breeding grounds for white guilt.

I went to Catholic school for 10 years, and suffered WG from all the social studies I learned, about how Whites killed the noble savage Indians and were responsible for slavery and the poor condition of blacks and hispanics the world over. Get enough of that when you're a young 'un, and it's easy to turn you on yourself and everything your family believes and values.

Anonymous DrTorch May 07, 2014 2:21 PM  

How does that kind of backward thinking even originate?

Honestly, and not trolling, I think it's connected w/ feminism.

White men pedestalize women so much (and take Eph 5:25 way beyond what it was meant) that they subjugate themselves in the belief they'll be more attractive as the ultimate nice guys, and win the hearts of the feminist women.

Blogger Retrenched May 07, 2014 2:22 PM  

The whole 'white male privilege' thing is essentially Marxist class warfare fought along demographic lines instead of economic/class lines. It’s casting white males as the unfairly privileged parasitic bourgeoisie who need to be brought to justice by the state.

So ultimately. none of the successes, achievements or discoveries that white males have accomplished throughout history are really theirs; nothing that white men have worked for, invented or built is really theirs. According to the theory of 'white male privilege', white men just got those things through racist and sexist oppression of minorities and women.

Once one accepts this premise, it then logically follows that women and minorities are justified in using their democratic power to petition the state to take money, power and rights away from white males, and to give those things to themselves, as a means of rectifying these injustices.

‘You didn’t build that’ –> ‘You didn’t earn that’ –> ‘It’s not yours’ –> ‘You are stealing from your neighbors by keeping it’

Anonymous Kto kogo May 07, 2014 2:22 PM  

"Check your privilege" ultimately means "give me your money".

Anonymous Heh May 07, 2014 2:24 PM  

"Check your privilege"

(grabs crotch) "Oh yeah, it's good!"

Anonymous Cranberry May 07, 2014 2:26 PM  

Puppets are pulling strings and most people are happy to dance along because it absolves them of any duty to think and act. It's like zero-tolerance policies in schools - you apply the same law and the same punishment to any infraction small or great, done out of innocent negligence or willful malice, just to avoid having to think critically and exercise judgment or assess any character.

ZT and "check your privilege" are balls in the same game. Don't think, don't argue, don't wake up and realize you're being played by YKW or whomever you think is making the rules. They've got plenty of brain-dead drones to throw at you.

Anonymous jack May 07, 2014 2:29 PM  

Nate May 07, 2014 1:15 PM

I need a 1911 with "privilege" scrolled into the grips...
Hmm...I may have to see to some engraving.

Anonymous Ted LeBee May 07, 2014 2:32 PM  

"What these ingrates call "privilege" only exists here because white men built it here. Real privilege is your dumb ass getting to live here and reap the benefits of something your ancestors didn't bleed for."

You are ignorant of history. What you call privielge was built by People of Colour.

Blogger James Dixon May 07, 2014 2:36 PM  

> I am old.

Yep, almost certainly Tad.

Anonymous Alexander May 07, 2014 2:36 PM  

Here we go again!

Tell me, Ted LeBee, how it was that the same people who built Paris, Rome, London, and Madrid... were suddenly requiring people who have never built a city worth the name, to build New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Charleston, and Houston? How did that come to be.

Likewise, why aren't the Arabs and West Africans living in prosperous, productive nations, what with all the exploitation they did of East Africans? For that matter, why aren't Africans all prosperous, what with enslaving Europeans from Iberia to Belgrade long before America was a twinkle in the eye?

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 2:37 PM  

Much of the country was built on exploited black labor.

You could have saved us all some trouble by opening your first comment with this, so we'd know right away where you were coming from and how pointless it would be to engage you.

Anonymous Rico May 07, 2014 2:38 PM  

@Ted

I called you out and asked you a direct question. Per the rules of the blog you need to answer it at some point.

"I decided in 2007 that Obama had very little intelligence when it came to problem solving by looking at his legislation in the Illinois Senate which he likely wrote himself. Am I ignorant for having this opinion and would you say that I have a reasonable point to call him unintelligent without expanding on what aspect of intelligence I find him to be lacking?"

Anonymous civilServant May 07, 2014 2:41 PM  

For white men born in or welcomed into this system, it is an unearned privilege.

Wrong. It is a privilege earned by the blood of their ancestors.


Concur with Nate. Except the word "priviledge" implies "unearned". It should be said this system is a result created by our ancestors and maintained - or not - by their sons.

We can’t understand other people’s behavior if we fail to understand the things that are salient to them.

We can most certainly understand how their behavior affects what happens to them - and how their behavior affects what happens to us. What is salient to them often is not conducive to maintaining the system whose rewards they wish to appropriate - unearned just as they believe white males have it unearned.

Libertarians rant about the burdens government imposes on them – while never noticing the bumps that aren’t in the road, the gunfire that doesn’t break out every night, the infectious diseases that aren’t ravishing their bodies all thanks to government interventions.

Completely agree. But calling this "priviledge" displays equal ignorance - ignorance as to how these benefits came about. An ignorance shared with the third world which floods in demanding the result while undermining the system which creates it.

"You are just white and priviledged!" The KKK would agree.

Blogger slarrow May 07, 2014 2:44 PM  

Check my privilege?

Yep, it's still there.

Now, just why should I give that up to the likes of you?

Anonymous civilServant May 07, 2014 2:48 PM  

If you have a society where 85% of the people agree on the basics and only 15% need to be coerced into line, that society will be a lot more functional (and stable) than one where 15% agree and 85% have to be ordered around at gunpoint.

Agree. But for the left inherent stability is a non-issue. They however few are right and everyone else however many is wrong and if guns are necessary to enforce what is right then so be it.

Observe how their reasoning is exactly identical to that of libertarians ....

Anonymous Alexander May 07, 2014 2:51 PM  

The key difference being that libertarians want guns to keep the 85% out, while the left wants the guns to keep the 85% in.

It's like saying a prison gate is identical to my front door, because they both have locks.

Anonymous rienzi May 07, 2014 2:53 PM  

Ted said: Much of the country was built on exploited black labor.


Would you please tell us just what exactly exploited black labor built ? I could really use a good laugh.

Anonymous Pajama Boy May 07, 2014 2:57 PM  

You know that THING you're typing on? The computer? Exploited black labor.

The car in your garage. Electricity. Anti-antibiotics. All exploited black labor..

Who built your house? Exploited black labor. Who works at Taco Bell? Exploited black labor. Who plants your gardens and takes care of your children? Well... Mexicans. But sometimes exploited black labor..

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 2:58 PM  

You people's claim on your fore bearer's "hard work" as somehow being your own, and somehow making you virtuous and righteous in comparison to others not so lucky, is the very definition of white privilege as a type of unearned advantage.

Teddy boy, if it's simply a matter of our prosperity being inherited from our ancestors with no hard work or effort on our part to maintain our cities and property and institutions, how do you explain Detroit?

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 2:58 PM  

'You are ignorant of history. What you call privielge was built by People of Colour."

Excellent. Now tell us what the people of color built.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 2:59 PM  

What do you mean "You People?" I'm pretty sure that's racist....at least by the Left's standards.

Anonymous Native American / aka Honest Injun May 07, 2014 2:59 PM  

Ted said: Much of the country was built on exploited black labor.

Not so fast, paleface. Whose land are them darkies working? Answer: MINE. Go stick that in your peace-pipe.

Anonymous The Jews May 07, 2014 3:00 PM  

The transatlantic slave trade? YOU HATE ARABS OR SOMETHING? Islamaphobe!

Anonymous RedJack May 07, 2014 3:01 PM  

Who plants your gardens and takes care of your children? Well... Mexicans. But sometimes exploited black labor..
For the guy up the street, who is a black engineer, I guess that is his kids. Exploited black labor.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 3:05 PM  

Much of the country was built on exploited black labor.

Are you seriously suggesting that a group that's comprised about 9 -12% of the US population over the last 100 years built "much of the country"? Are you really that mathematically inept?

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 3:05 PM  

I disagree. Leftists see their dogma as just that--cultish dogma. To the left, their ideas are holy religion.

The left's refusal to bear others questioning the foundation of their ideas bears all the hallmarks of cults attacking those who dissent from the cult's dogma. Those who questioned Jim Jones, for example, ostensibly got to "debate" him, but were quickly shouted down/expelled/killed by the cult.

This is in contrast with other religions--Orthodox Judaism, Roman Catholicism, many non-radical forms of Islam, etc.---that have their apologetics and debates with nonbelievers/dissenters. The confidence of those scholars is in that civilized debate will bring out Truth.

The left's reaction to dissent is merely the cult panicking to protect the cult. Soon enough, they'll all be on the kool-aid.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 3:06 PM  

Ted,

By your rationale, damn near every black person in America today is privileged. By sharing the same skin color of those that were slaves 100+ years ago, they have the privilege to take no responsibility for their own lives.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 3:07 PM  

People of color built the Grand Coulee Dam? I guess they used the secrets they used to build the pyramids.

Blogger og May 07, 2014 3:10 PM  

"awesome! what materials do you use?"
What else? Bonded ivory, white as the driven snow. And I can fill in the scrimshaw with red for the blood of the oppressed, if you like.

Anonymous beerme May 07, 2014 3:11 PM  

"check your privilege"

"which privilege are you requesting me to check?"

I can see endless possibilities for amusement when responding to these people.

Blogger James Dixon May 07, 2014 3:12 PM  

> Pajama Boy

Ah, I see either Tad's using two aliases again or we have someone playing the thread for effect.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 3:12 PM  

The leftist reaction to dissent is akin to other religious extremists burning witches--an attempt to cull those whose very existence makes True Believers doubt the cult. Never let the devil even speak to you, he is the Father of Lies! Kill him!

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 3:13 PM  

The entire infrastructure.

Right, Teddy. If this fantasy were true, you'd would expect that most of the major infrastructure projects of the last century would have been literally filled with black laborers. For example, the Hoover Dam project with its 5,251 workers was just rife with people of color. If you think 24 people is rife that is.

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 3:14 PM  

"The entire infrastructure."

Fascinating... now... if that is true... surely these coloured people left to their own devices have built amazing infrastructure all over the world. I bet their home continent is the peak of infrastructure!

Isn't it?

Oh wait. its not.

Because... the guy with the shovel ain't the one responsible for the railroad being built. He's just another dumbass with a shovel.

The man that designed the railroad... the man that engineered the railroad... the man that paid for the railroad.

That man... is who built the infrastructure.

And that man... is a white man.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 3:18 PM  

http://www.amazon.com/The-Origins-Urban-Crisis-Inequality/dp/0691121869

Checkmate

Blogger Booch Paradise May 07, 2014 3:20 PM  

Privilege is a form of ignorance.


Much of the country was built on exploited black labor. Strange that you can deny privilege at the same time you defend the privilege you claim not to have.


Are you trying to say that black people are responsible for my ignorance and narrow perspective?! DAMN THEM!!!

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 3:20 PM  

Nate - now it is not fair to bring up Africa. It's not as if the European powers raised the cannibals up at the point of a gun. Gave them a working system of government, infrastructure, economy, and society then voluntarily left while still periodically injecting capital and know-how for decades while the natives destroyed all the progress made.

Oh, wait...

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 May 07, 2014 3:21 PM  

How a right-winger uses check your privilege against a left-wing feminist:

http://youtu.be/i0C3IhWcJH0

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 3:26 PM  

Here are some good resources to educate yourself and your loved ones:

A linkfest is not an argument, Teddy. Just admit you have not one clue what the fuck you're talking about and move on.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 3:32 PM  

Don't count colored folks out of the genocide, greed and oppression game! Look at the great work that Boko Haram is doing, or Idi Amin, or Robert Mugabe, or Josef Kony...

Why, the Dark Continent has actually stepped up the pace of genocide following the departure of their privileged white oppressors! Be proud of brave colored people like Joseph Kony and Abubaker Shakau and their valiant efforts to exterminate and enslave other colored people!

Anonymous Aufhebend May 07, 2014 3:35 PM  

And right on cue, we have very privileged people telling each other to check their privileges.

http://time.com/89482/dear-privileged-at-princeton-you-are-privileged-and-meritocracy-is-a-myth/

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 3:36 PM  

Don't count colored folks out of the genocide, greed and oppression game!

Good point, people of color do genocide all the time but they don't seem to profit from it like we do. We must be doing something right.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 3:37 PM  

What color/creed/ethnicity/sexual orientation do I need to be to get privilege and power? Because I seem to remember somebody writing, “To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

Now who are you not allowed to criticize?

Anonymous praetorian May 07, 2014 3:38 PM  

Privilege? Yep, check. Got it, thanks be to God, my Irish ancestors and the proddy English they hated.

Now, what were we talking about?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 3:39 PM  

Link warz b lamez

Blogger Nate May 07, 2014 3:40 PM  

OH NOES!!! TED HAS LINKS!

Anonymous Tallen May 07, 2014 3:41 PM  

White men certainly earned their privilege.... through genocide, oppression, and greed.

Even if you were given the benefit of the doubt and this were true (which it's not), consider the genocide/oppression/greed of Asia, the Middle East, Africa and South America where nothing at all was built. Are you saying you prefer genocide/oppression/greed without improvement to general standards of living?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 3:42 PM  

"Good point, people of color do genocide all the time but they don't seem to profit from it like we do. We must be doing something right."

Yeah, they just jealous white guys are much superior at the exploitation, slavery, and genocide thangs than people of unprivileged color.

Blogger IM2L844 May 07, 2014 3:42 PM  

For example, the Hoover Dam project with its 5,251 workers was just rife with people of color. If you think 24 people is rife that is.

They must have it both ways, Harsh. They weren't allowed to work, but they did all the work anyway. Blog

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why the textbooks have excluded the history of Africans Sailing to Europe and conscripting Caucasians to build the dark continent into the global nuclear superpower that it is today.

Anonymous John May 07, 2014 3:47 PM  

"No matter how much I've gone through, no matter how many dollars I have in my pocket, I begin every morning with a shower and presentable clothing, and I walk into a world that has been conditioned to accept my appearance and speech as the default. I see white male faces on television and in Congress, white bodies in advertisements and films, white voices on the radio and white males in positions of power on issues that directly affect me."

Well, Blacks could always go to any African country where their appearance, speech, and behavior are the default. There is nothing wrong with having accepted defaults, but they clearly have a preference for places where the defaults are White defaults. The white defaults consistently produce more functional societies.

NAMs don't truly believe the whole 'White Privilege' nonsense anyway. It's just a handy excuse for group failure. NE Asians very existence and success (which outdoes that of white Americans) disproves the White Privilege excuse/accusation. If Whites are so privileged (and in the business of privileging themselves,) how on earth do NE Asians out-earn and out-test them in their own white countries?

White Privilege is utter bullshit. Come up with an excuse for group failure that is not so easily disproved.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 3:47 PM  

Beware the terrible ju-ju of the white man! He can oppress you from continents and centuries away. His unstoppable 'tricknology' can keep us from finding our own ancestors true 'mathmagics'.

He is so powerful that his bloodline can oppress us unto the tenth generation even if he was never rich, or powerful, or even on this continent or even spoke English!

Anonymous kh123 May 07, 2014 4:13 PM  

"You will work and they will eat is the mantra of the State."

One with plow, several with spoons.

Anonymous Salt May 07, 2014 4:19 PM  

Was at the doctor all day. There to have my privilege checked. He said it's doing just fine, and like anything else, use it or lose it. I'm down wit dat.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, UMass Psychiatry May 07, 2014 4:20 PM  

OT speaking of trolls Andrew chased John Wright over to his new columnist gig to complain about Vox. With screen caps no less. It takes a special kind of obsession to hunt down every mention of someone anywhere by anyone. The closest thing I can think of is actual worship.

Too bad you don't get to choose your worshipers.



I think that might be actual mental illness.

Anonymous Alexander May 07, 2014 4:23 PM  

Of all the lies Ted speaks,

The funniest one is 'us'.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 4:26 PM  

So Ted is down with genocide as long as it's the Europeans as victims. Do you think they'll keep you as a pet or something? Ol' Uncle Ted we'll give him a nice rocker on the porch.

Typically Ted finally admits what he's gleefully hoping for. It is a sickness of the soul.

Anonymous Don May 07, 2014 4:30 PM  

You know I'm probably wrong about Andrew. I think it's a different Andrew but he's following the story all over the net wherever someones writing about it. He get's two obsessed people called Andrew and I only get one. Vox is privileged.

Blogger traderdoc May 07, 2014 4:31 PM  

I worked very hard to get ahead. No apologies, no excuses, no interest in anyone who cares. My family certainly enjoys it.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 4:32 PM  

You guys are just a bunch of racist white supremacists.

You're running the liberal playbook by the freaking numbers, Teddy boy. First, make ridiculous, unsupported claims about white privilege. Second, ignore or dismiss any arguments that counter your ridiculous claims. Third, brand everyone racist/sexist/homophobic because we don't agree with your fantasies. Fucking brilliant, my man.

Demography is destiny. People of Color are having more children than us.

That's the first correct thing you've said all day.

Blogger Pinakeli May 07, 2014 4:33 PM  

Ted LeBee May 07, 2014 4:20 PM

You guys are just a bunch of racist white supremacists.

But you know what?

Demography is destiny. People of Color are having more children than us.


I'm not too worried. They have short time preferences. And they are short sighted. They will act too soon.

And because of Science we will have the technology to eliminate all of them!

Anonymous Josh May 07, 2014 4:41 PM  

Why are y'all still feeding the syphilitic troll?

Anonymous patrick kelly May 07, 2014 4:45 PM  

" People of Color are having more children than us."

If they would only stop selling them to white people.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 4:46 PM  

You guys are just a bunch of racist white supremacists.

[::stamps foot, for emphasis::]

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 4:49 PM  

Ted,

Why do you assume that because a bunch of ignorant, loin-cloth-wearing savages are breeding more now that, somehow, this will cause them to take over via population overload?

Blacks have, for thousands of years, humped more than non-blacks. Most of the offspring have died off and blacks have never formed a single great civilization. A large amount fo sheep just means more mutton.

Blacks are clearly too stupid to keep themselves from getting the simplest of diseases, or to prevent themselves from dying from them.

Blacks are too selfish and short-sighted to plan beyond the next weekend. Their own self-created famines has easily wiped them out many, many times.

And small numbers of non-blacks have, for centuries, successfully ruled much larger swaths of blacks--conquering them, subduing them, and making them subservient. It has only been the intervention of other non-blacks that has stopped this; never have blacks once successfully destroyed non-black rule.

And non-black and non-white people (Hispanic, East Asian, Arab, Persian, etc.). have shown as much hatred for blacks as you project onto whitey.

Again, why do you think this will change now?

Blogger tz May 07, 2014 4:54 PM  

They checked it and it bounced.
Universities (except for a few Catholic and or Classical versions) are both expensive and irrelevant.
Intelligence is privilege, and I used mine to recognize this farce.
Find something that requires actual knowledge and better yet, thought.
Universities are zombie colonies.

Blogger Unknown May 07, 2014 4:55 PM  

White folk build it.....it prospers....colored folk breed until they take it over....it rots because they can't build or run anything without corruption......lovely cycle!

Anonymous CLK May 07, 2014 4:58 PM  

I don't think I understand why the same group that believes in evolution, can't see man-animal as a product of evolution and are so quick to dismiss the natural result of that process. ....Has not evolution declared a winner in western civilizations by its obvious success compared to others. The success that leads to this "privilege" was hard won thru: hard work, intelligence, dedication, civilization, communication, inventions, tools ,,,, pick the factors as you see fit...

Did VD experience a certain degree of privilege in his success -- absolutely, I have too and to say other wise would be simply dishonest of me... but the key here was that that privilege was provided by hard working people who created the "privilege" and that success flows down thru time --- In fact, that's one of the evolutionary factors that I think we talk about here all the time ... time horizon... One of my parents goals, and mine as well, is to make life better for "the family" -- that means making hard choices that make this happen, long term planning...insisting on a good education, instilling conservative values, respect, teaching saving, ... sure call that privilege;

Evolution works .... natural selection works...

Blogger dienw May 07, 2014 5:00 PM  

@ Ivan Poland

Here you go: next time something ax you to "check your privilege" say, "Hey! I'm waiting for Microsoft to call me telling me I am hired to be their next CEO; but can paint your bathroom for a meal?"

Anonymous Varenius May 07, 2014 5:11 PM  

People of color built the Grand Coulee Dam?

Sure, it was the Chinese. The proof is right there in the name.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 5:22 PM  

Josh: "Why are y'all still feeding the syphilitic troll?"

Three thirty in the morning
Not a soul in sight
The blog's lookin' like a ghost town
On a moonless summer night
Badthink on the flatscreen
There's a troll movin' in
He's headin' back to somewhere
Where he never can win
And the pagecount rolls
And the pagecount rolls

Every key is pushin'
In a basement out on the 'Net
He's pacin' by the laptop
In his flannel onesie set
Lookin' for a new rant
Pretendin' it's not right
Hopin' no-one finds out
That it's kept him up all night
And the pagecount rolls
And the pagecount rolls

The pagecount rolls
And the web rank hikes
Another rant grows old
On a sleepless night
As the troll raves on
Out of control
Deep in his mind
The pagecount rolls

He's waitin' by the keyboard
When he sees another post
He rushes up to hack out
Another attack upon the host
But on the glowing screen
A strange new pseudonym shows
And despite the changin' name
Still everybody knows
And the pagecount rolls
And the pagecount rolls

The pagecount rolls
And the web rank hikes
Another rant grows old
On a sleepless night
As the troll raves on
Out of control
Deep in his mind
The pagecount rolls


(Apologies to Garth Brooks)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 07, 2014 5:23 PM  

I guess race is real then and this Ted kid can identify by it, shazam. You fine folks do realize that idiot kid is talking about the genocide of whites as the answer to his problems, don't you?

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 5:33 PM  

Ivan Poland: "I like what Vox said, are there any other retorts?"

1. Hook thumb into waistband of trousers/pants/jeans/shorts
2. Pull outward slightly
3. Look down
4. Look back up at interlocutor and reply, "Yep -- still there."

(Procedure for men only, obviously. Because privelege.)

Blogger Ron May 07, 2014 5:37 PM  

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Blogger Ron May 07, 2014 5:38 PM  

@Waterboy

heh.

How about this, delivered with a smirk and innocent look

Shrill Emo Leftist: Check your privilege bro!

Fine Fellow: But that's exactly why I'm better than you.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 5:39 PM  

"Check your privelege."

"If what I might have to say is meaningless to you, then what you might have to say is meaningless to me. This is no longer a dialogue, it's a monologue -- have fun talking to yourself."

Blogger tz May 07, 2014 5:40 PM  

The internet is raciss so we need to have the minorities do.their own. Call it B-Arkanet... They can have their own maskbook, screecher, linkedInclusive Womanster, and Dwarfman.

Blogger Monsignor Scott Rassbach May 07, 2014 5:43 PM  

"In sum, "civilization" is a bad thing and nothing to be proud of."

And what, pray tell, is the alternative?

Anonymous Josh May 07, 2014 5:52 PM  

The alternative is grass huts and caves

Blogger IM2L844 May 07, 2014 5:53 PM  

Third, brand everyone racist/sexist/homophobic

You forgot white. That's the funniest part. He thinks we're all a bunch of white dudes! He doesn't even realize some of the people he is trying to lump in and stereotype as "a bunch of racist white supremacists" are women of color.

Anonymous kh123 May 07, 2014 6:00 PM  

Just propose, Tad; get it over with. You've got competition now with Andrew, so all the more reason to make the move first.

Anonymous Anonymous May 07, 2014 6:05 PM  

You guys are just a bunch of racist yellow supremacists.
FTFY

Blogger Sentient Spud May 07, 2014 6:07 PM  

In sum, "civilization" is a bad thing and nothing to be proud of. If that is what we whites are hanging our hat on then we should be very ashamed.

I was waiting for you to jump off of a cliff into some greater absurdity. Glad to see the wait wasn't in vain.

I also find it more than a bit ironic, (although entirely expected), that you conclude the evil of civilization while simultaneously harnessing the power of both its infrastructure and resources. You're on the same level as a guy who preaches safe driving...while doing 205 down the expressway in a Ferrari. That is, unless you've been carrying out this whole discussion through a shaman, out in the wilderness somewhere?

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 6:12 PM  

The 'white privilege' scold is just another attempt by losers to feel good about being losers. As Vox said, the real privilege is intelligence. I'll add to that ambition, work ethic, and pride in accomplishment. If it was truly just about white privilege, how do you explain Asians and Jews in this country? Those two groups have seen academic and economic success because they share those same traits.

Anonymous Stilicho May 07, 2014 6:20 PM  

Well over 95 percent of the time on a college campus, however, when "check your privilege" is uttered, it's a statement about race, gender, and/or sexuality, most often about the first two.

It's just another racist dog whistle by the usual retarded liberals who assume that everyone uses dog whistles like they do.

Vox's response as well as Nate's were excellent. Other acceptable responses include:

1) Are you retarded?
2) A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
3) Did you read that on your smartphone?
4) It just goes so well with a Ferrari.
5) What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
...

Anonymous VD May 07, 2014 6:45 PM  

Folks, "Ted LeBee" is just Tad's latest iteration. If you see a new name appear and make 5 comments in 15 minutes spouting the usual prog talking points, it's him.

Anonymous Zionist Occupied Refugee May 07, 2014 6:49 PM  

White men stole the land from the red men. White men imported yellow men and black men to work on their infrastructure projects on the stolen land. The descendants of the Ashkenazis (the false Jews as foretold in Revelations), then set up their Central Banking system and ended up stealing all the lands and infrastructure from the White men via usurious debt slavery, nepotism and graft.

The way they keep and maintain their hold of power and wealth is to continuously foment and exacerbate conflict by importing masses of Brown men, then encouraging racial awareness and conflict amongst the White, Brown, Black and Yellow Men, so that no one pays attention to the Zionist Men.

Divided and conquered, we the rabble continue to squabble, while those 2BIG2fail continue to implement their police state and one world control.

WAKE UP

Blogger Revelation Means Hope May 07, 2014 6:57 PM  

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste". That one is great!

If I were to ever get this (and even despite living in the San Francisco area, I never have), I'd prefer to smirk and tell them "You can check it for me, if you ask nicely" while casually grabbing my crotch. But if that isn't quite right because my hands are full or something, I like the above quoted response.

Anonymous Concerned Rabbit Hunter May 07, 2014 6:59 PM  

"Checkmate"

Wasted effort. Tad doesn't use protection.

Anonymous Jonathan May 07, 2014 7:14 PM  

My response to "check your privilege" is to point out that white, male privilege created toilet paper and indoor plumbing. And if they really want to reject that privilege then I have one piece of advice: eat with the right, wipe with the left.

Blogger tz May 07, 2014 7:21 PM  

What they lack in privilege, they make up for in hubris.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 7:22 PM  

WAKE UP

Every time I see someone post something either beginning or ending with the words "WAKE UP" -- particularly when in all caps -- I know I'm gazing upon the handiwork of a retard.

Anonymous Andy May 07, 2014 7:31 PM  

Speaker-To-SFWA,
The tactic you just used with relation to Zionist Occupied Refugee's post falls under, "Disqualify", no? So he said wake up at the end. So, what? I think most Jew's are decent people, but Jewish interests undoubtably run the US Gov't for their own interests, any intellectually honest person has to come to this conclusion when looking at the facts, so, I don't really understand your animosity to that poster. I think its because even though you know that poster is right, you feel the need to put him down because of the indoctrination you've received that has trained you to mock and belittle those who use terms like "one world order" and "zionist" no matter the fact that those terms are widely used by elites themselves like Henry Kissinger (among others).

So what exactly in his post is retarded Speaker? Please enlighten me, because I don't really see where that poster is too far off base. Or am I retarded too because I am about to type WAKE UP in all caps?

Anonymous Rhys O'Reilly May 07, 2014 7:31 PM  

"This must only be an elitist/upper-middle class Northeast or West Coast thing" It is, which is ironic (in the oft misused form of the word) because the people using this expression are from upper middle class neighbourhoods studying Marxism with a double major in feminism and butthurt on mummy and daddy's dime.

Blogger Breadbasket May 07, 2014 7:44 PM  

Anyone afraid of intellectual or political dissent is a coward.

Blogger intuitivereason May 07, 2014 7:44 PM  

Treasure your privilege. Generations have gone into crafting it for you.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 7:49 PM  

Treasure your privilege. Generations have gone into crafting it for you.

Really? That doesn't sound right at all.

Anonymous Truth or Consequences May 07, 2014 7:52 PM  

WaterBoy, that was a fantastic little write-up there. Not sure if it should be called a song, or maybe a poem, but it was well done.

Anonymous For fucks sake, I'm not Tad either... May 07, 2014 7:55 PM  

Folks, "Ted LeBee" is just Tad's latest iteration.

If so, he's deliberately trying to sound completely different from the original Tad. I understand that you all have a weird need to think there is only one person in the world who disagrees with you, but still...

Anonymous Johnny Thunder May 07, 2014 8:03 PM  

Privilege is just a down payment on expected performance.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:07 PM  

Truth or Consequences: "Not sure if it should be called a song, or maybe a poem, but it was well done."

Thanks, TorC; it's a song parody based on the Garth Brooks original.

Vox: "If you see a new name appear and make 5 comments in 15 minutes spouting the usual prog talking points, it's him."

And the pagecount rolls
And the pagecount rolls


#startingameme

Anonymous 5trych9 May 07, 2014 8:07 PM  

FFSINTE- It's possible to trace IP addresses, you know. Vox knows exactly what he's doing...

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:11 PM  

Ffs,InTe: "I understand that you all have a weird need to think there is only one person in the world who disagrees with you, but still..."

You don't think that verification can be made via IP address matching, or something?

Anonymous For fucks sake, I'm not Tad either... May 07, 2014 8:11 PM  

He doesn't, as evidenced by other trolls

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:12 PM  

@5trych9: Great minds, or something?

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:13 PM  

"He doesn't, as evidenced by other trolls"

Such as.....?

Anonymous Luke May 07, 2014 8:15 PM  

University of Toronto moves to have its student representatives chosen solely by whether or not they're black, homo, older, jocks, etc. This would mean NO student council representation for white males who live on campus and don't play sports. Watch this eventually get used as a model for city councils and then state legislatures in the U.S....

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/05/07/robyn-urback-u-of-t-student-union-moves-ahead-with-harrowingly-stupid-equity-plan/

Anonymous Pseudo-Nate May 07, 2014 8:19 PM  

The "you didn't build this," argument is especially piquant coming from the likes of Spike Lee who advocate for the residents of Brooklyn who basically took over a neighborhood built by Dutch immigrants

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 07, 2014 8:21 PM  

So, what? I think most Jew's are decent people, but Jewish interests undoubtably run the US Gov't for their own interests, any intellectually honest person has to come to this conclusion when looking at the facts, so, I don't really understand your animosity to that poster. I think its because even though you know that poster is right, you feel the need to put him down because of the indoctrination you've received that has trained you to mock and belittle those who use terms like "one world order" and "zionist" no matter the fact that those terms are widely used by elites themselves like Henry Kissinger (among others).

You do realize I never mentioned (or even implied) anything about Jews and/or Jadaism, right...?

[::shakes head, laughing::]

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:34 PM  

kilo papa: "Goddamn but I love Jesus' sense of humor."

Dude, that's nothing! Have you seen this:

"The state government identified the dead as two 13-year-old boys, a 14-year-old, and two girls aged 10 and 12."

FUCK YEAH! Let's all have a good laugh over the dead brown children! Fucking Mexicans, what fucking good are they, amirite?!?!?!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

(BTW: Weren't you banned some time ago?)

#FuckingAspies

Anonymous zen0 May 07, 2014 8:41 PM  

Check your Privilege
Check your assumptions
Check your ass for will-nots.

To be is to do ........Sartre
To do is to be .......Camus
Doobeedoobeedoo ........Frank Sinatra

Anonymous WaterBoy May 07, 2014 8:43 PM  

And the pagecount rolls
And the pagecount rolls

Anonymous zen0 May 07, 2014 9:00 PM  

And the pagecount rolls

That was nicely done, WaterBoy, by the way, and I know of Garth Brooks but not that particular song.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 9:01 PM  

I understand that you all have a weird need to think there is only one person in the world who disagrees with you, but still...

It's an easy mistake to make. The trolls here all exhibit the same neuroses, psychoses, lack of rational thinking, and general social ineptitude. One would be forgiven in thinking they were all the same mass of worthless protoplasm.

Anonymous zen0 May 07, 2014 9:10 PM  

@ kp

Man!!!!!! Our Savior is an even bigger prick than I had ever hoped to imagine!!!!!!

Keep piling it up, kp. I fear I am not a good enough christian to suggest you should stop for your own good. It would actually be a kind of interesting experiment to see how much shit you pile up on yourself that you have to dig out of.

All with a shit-eating grin.

Keep that pagecount rolling.

Anonymous Andy May 07, 2014 9:17 PM  

I brought Jew's up. Usually when people call others retarded for discussing zionism is they like to disqualify these arguments with charges of anti-semitism. I was pointing out I am not anti-semitic and that disqualification would be incorrect. I also think simply calling someone a retard for saying WAKE UP at the end of his post is a weak attempt at disqualification.

Anonymous Andy May 07, 2014 9:19 PM  

I just don't understand what was "retarded" about that guys post. I think he makes a good point in that people miss the forest for the trees when they get bent out of shape over race issues and miss the larger issue concerning the fact that due to the IRS most Americans are born into a form of bondage.

Anonymous judgE zen0 May 07, 2014 9:27 PM  

Andy plays the victim card:

I also think simply calling someone a retard for saying WAKE UP at the end of his post is a weak attempt at disqualification.

Calling someone a retard is not a disqualification. Retard's opinions are fully qualified..........for retards. Therefore, it is simply a classification, not a a disqualification.

Objection overruled.

Anonymous Jack Amok May 07, 2014 9:38 PM  

The key difference being that libertarians want guns to keep the 85% out, while the left wants the guns to keep the 85% in.

It's like saying a prison gate is identical to my front door, because they both have locks.


Thank you. civilServant has a bug up his butt about libertarians. Maybe he's afraid they'll cut his department budget. Can't have anyone breakin' the ol' rice bowl.

Anonymous Red Comet May 07, 2014 9:39 PM  

Always found it ironic that most libs claim to be diehard materialists but yet they preach unprovable "white privilege" like a religious dogma.

It's also no surprise to me that it was adopted as a political weapon in America. They finally figured out that race stuff is the only thing that works here and are doubling down on it after the failure of decades of class envy propaganda.

Anonymous Luke May 07, 2014 9:40 PM  

Re the news item about the cross falling over and killing a Christian:

A) who else would be near it? An atheist is more likely to be in a bathhouse, a womyn's studies class, a governmental or Democratic Party office, or some other useless circle jerk somewhere.

B) Instead of blaming the collapse and death on God, why not assign blame to the clown who built the thing in the first place? Poorly-designed structures made of substandard materials fall down all the time in the Third World.

Blogger Desiderius May 07, 2014 9:44 PM  

"Other acceptable responses include:"

As with many things, "no" works.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 9:47 PM  

Kilo papa is off his meds again.

Blogger Unknown May 07, 2014 9:52 PM  

YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN < AN IRREFUTIBLE, UNDENYABLE, COMMON DENOMINATOR "Customer For Life", Indentured Servant! To The Principle Shareholders of This Temporarily God-Forsaken Garbage Dump Planet! No Entity Can Serve "Both" God & Mammoth! If a Fellow is Married and "self-Serving", wouldn't he Rather be by Himself, if he's going to be Alone? Common Sense! Evil Has No Friends! Thank God!

Anonymous Soga May 07, 2014 9:58 PM  

kilo papa forgot to check his posting privilege.

Anonymous zen0 May 07, 2014 10:00 PM  

Kilo papa is off his meds again.

He is always off his meds. It is just that he found out at this time of the day he can also be off leash.

At least Tad is more obsessed with his anus than with Jesus.

Blogger Unknown May 07, 2014 10:05 PM  

Hey! Harsh Your Close "Friend" Prima Facie! Not Hearsay! Wants To Know How you would Know?!? Since you're Typically Self-Proclaimed Three(3) Things Try to Keep up!............1. What's your Medical License Number(#) as a Psychiatrist?
2. Harsh What's your DEA Number(#) To Write Prescriptions?
3. How Do You Know This "Kilo" Person; What's Your Relationship With A Guy Named Cocaine?

Anonymous Foz May 07, 2014 10:12 PM  

New blog up, in which I respond to John C. Wright's piece about political correctness in SFF. http://t.co/zqxgjBXp9N

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 10:15 PM  

Hi Derrick,

Your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Sincerely,
Harsh

Anonymous 5trych9 May 07, 2014 10:15 PM  

FFSINTE- You mean like all the other trolls he's banned? Do you read what you write? Water Boy- Yup.

Anonymous Andy May 07, 2014 10:17 PM  

Lol, the victim card. It wasn't even my post. Name calling is disqualification. That's what rabbits do. The post in question was reasonable and accurate in my view. Speaker still hasn't addressed what part of it was retarded.

Anonymous zen0 May 07, 2014 10:17 PM  


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Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 10:20 PM  

New blog up, in which I respond to John C. Wright's piece about political correctness in SFF. http://t.co/zqxgjBXp9N

Uh, no you didn't. I perused your "response" for three minutes and found four logical fallacies, which convinced me to stop reading anymore lest my brain protest by jumping out of my skull. Try again.

Also, based on your pic I'd suggest cutting back on the carbs and trying a little resistance training. Never say Harsh doesn't look out for the little people.

Anonymous Azimus May 07, 2014 10:21 PM  

kilo papa May 07, 2014 10:07 PM
Ahh, yes zen0!!

You are the anus expert on this site!!

Glen Beck is surely proud!!!

(Assuming that Glen Beck has not become a sane person, which is unlikely)


What is this the last Bonzai charge of the Pox Vay support group tonight?

Anonymous Luke May 07, 2014 10:28 PM  

Sigh. kilo pap has never heard of free will, yet feels competent to make pronouncements about Christianity. Shouldn't you be auditioning as an extra for the sequel to the movie "Idiocracy"?

Vox, this thread needs ta[r]d bleach. Any chance of henceforth blocking some of their ISPs?

Anonymous TroperA May 07, 2014 10:38 PM  

So, most libby liberals are atheists, right? (I think I once heard a figure saying that 60 percent of people who graduate from college are turned atheist by the time they come out.) So therefore, if there's no God, no higher authority or objective reality to appeal to--no cosmic judge in the sky ready to punish the people who are unfair....AND, if the only purpose in life is for organisms to perpetuate their own genes, then..... why is privilege a bad thing? This is what I'd like to ask some atheist liberal-- if a system is set up that allows me and my descendants to more easily perpetuate our genes, then why should I be inherently opposed to such a system? Shouldn't I rejoice that the system has made things easier for me? Shouldn't I be quick to take advantage of a system of privilege which my ancestors set up and added to? Why would "progressives" have a problem with progress?

If it could be proven that my culture is producing superior medicine, technology and growing methods that help enhance the survival rate of humanity as a whole, (and that some other culture is acting parasitical and not pulling their own weight) then shouldn't atheists have a duty to make sure the culture that is objectively benefiting everybody is being raised up while cultures that aren't are being phased out of existence? And even if the "privileged" culture is using shady means to get ahead, doesn't that just mean that it's figured out a superior system of living and that it's earned the right to take advantage of everyone else?

It should be the duty of everyone in a materialist world to ensure the health and survival of organisms that share close genetic and social ties with them. If privilege can be used as a tool to further this goal, then why would liberals have any problem with it?

(The truth is, they don't, judging by their living and giving habits. But by PRETENDING to be nice, they can blow smoke into the eyes of the lower class/minority/female people they wish to exploit, to keep them on the hook as long as possible...)

Anonymous Truth or Consequences May 07, 2014 10:43 PM  

To be fair, this kilo papa guy does bring up a pretty difficult question. It is not difficult to see the irony of a cross crushing a believing Christian to death. It is certainly easy to see how an atheist, albeit cheeto-eating, basement dwelling as he may be, can cherry pick these things and go troll on Christian-friendly blogs.

There are two answers to this. First, God chose not to control every single event that ever happens on earth. He could if He wanted to, but that would simply be determinism, just of a different form.

Second, God made a positive decision to bring these blessed people into the next life, which is far more desirable than this one, at least for the believers.

Alright kilo. Time to display some more of that inner depravity of yours.

Anonymous Anti-Democracy Activist May 07, 2014 10:43 PM  

I have to disagree about the left rediscovering class struggle, certainly when it comes to the working/middle class. Turning mass immigration, legal and illegal, from a labor issue into a race issue was a master stroke politically, but illustrates the degree to which the left has abandoned the interests of the middle and working classes in favor of the welfare class and various racial/sexual/gender interest groups.

John Derbyshire was right to cast the plight of the white working class as American Hutus vs. Tutsis, with the conservative-leaning working class Hutus vs. the Hollywood/academic/government Tutsi elites. The leftist Tutsis at best ignore the plight of the blue-collar Hutus - when was the last time the left did anything of substance to help them (as opposed to the welfare class, who they help frequently) other than lip service? They knew, for example, that Obamacare would be a disaster for millions of white, working-class Hutus. They passed it anyway. And that's not the worst of it. Globalized free trade? Illegal immigration? The working class Hutu is screwed, and the left couldn't care less.

Anonymous kh123 May 07, 2014 10:55 PM  

TroperA;

Never underestimate a person's desire to feel good about themselves. Or, more to the point, righteous. Without taking a potshot at atheists, I sometimes think that folks who affirm that the metaphysical doesn't exist are even more prone to desire or experience a transcendental good, even if on some level they'd write it off. Packaged as something like the Summa, then no way. Packaged as something like social justice, scientific pursuit, women's liberation, overthrow of the bourgeoisie, or any number of other secular equivalents that may meet a personal desire or interest, then perhaps.

Anonymous Uppity goyim May 07, 2014 11:07 PM  

"the false Jews as foretold in Revelations"

Anyone know where in Revelations this is foretold?

Anonymous Uppity goyim May 07, 2014 11:09 PM  

"http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-25/pope-john-paul-ii-crucifix-crushes-man-to-death-in-cevo-italy/5411980

Goddamn but I love Jesus' sense of humor.

A huge crucifix of Jesus falls and kills.....an atheist?

No. A young Catholic man!!!!!!!

Jesus, you you are one bitchin' savior!!!

But what a shame it couldn't have been Pat Robertson or Franklin Graham.

Now THAT might cause me to rethink the credibility of the Christian God!!!!!!!!!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!'"

Didn't jesus say something about idol worship? And what has the Catholic Church become but idol worship and raising dead men up to be false gods?

Anonymous Morris May 07, 2014 11:15 PM  

"The alternative is grass huts and caves"

And savagery with its many delights..

Blogger IM2L844 May 07, 2014 11:23 PM  

TroperA, you make some good points. They're hypocrites that just can't seem to understand that their faith in genetic equality and egality is incompatible with their faith in evolution. Renouncing faith in those sorts of things things and focusing it all toward faith in God is the only reasonable thing for a thinking person to do.

Anonymous Harsh May 07, 2014 11:37 PM  

Is 200 comments the official indicator that the thread has been trolled to death?

Anonymous Morris May 07, 2014 11:42 PM  

"Is 200 comments the official indicator that the thread has been trolled to death?"

No, just a good indicator that we can't resist feeding them. :)

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 08, 2014 12:26 AM  

Usually when people call others retarded for discussing zionism is they like to disqualify these arguments with charges of anti-semitism.

If you'd rather bicker with whatever voices in your head might be yammering about Jews and/or Judaism, then please feel free to do so, by all means. It remains inarguable, however, that none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what I posted, period, end of sentence, full stop.

The really swell thing about launching into fiery debate with a straw man entirely of your own invention, of course, is that you'll enjoy the luxury of dictating the content and ultimate efficacy of arguments for both sides, as best pleases you. Have a nice time with that.

Anonymous Speaker-To-SFWAs May 08, 2014 12:44 AM  

Every time I see someone post something either beginning or ending with the words "WAKE UP" -- particularly when in all caps -- I know I'm gazing upon the handiwork of a retard.

Speaker still hasn't addressed what part of it was retarded.

"Wake up!," "sheeple," "privilege," "mansplaining," "whitesplaining," "slut shaming," "Islamophobia," "Christian jihadists," "social justice" (in any sense but the ironic or openly contemptuous)... all of these, among others, are key dog whistles of the socialist/atheist left, and therefore serve as reliably as indicators of mental and/or moral retardation. If that doesn't render things plain enough for you, then you'll simply have to soldier onward underneath the weight of that particularly idiosyncratic inadequacy, I'm afraid.

Calling someone a retard is not a disqualification. Retard's opinions are fully qualified..........for retards. Therefore, it is simply a classification, not a a disqualification.

judgE zen0 "gets" it. Thus does flagging faith in the ability of others to read for comprehension find itself buoyed, once more.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2014 12:45 AM  

kilo papa,

yawn. You're just another small-minded anti-Xian bigot who is intellectually refuses to grasp the age old argument of The Problem of Evil.

Far more intelligent atheists and agnostics than you have recognized that your little logic is fairly weak in regards to Christianity. They make far more sophisticated arguments that are both logical and balanced--neither of which describes your little childishness. You embarrass such atheists and agnostics, and they do wish you'd go away.

Now run along, empty head. You have failed to do little more than prove that you give little thought to anything that opposes your dogma.

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