Friday, May 02, 2014

Religion is evil: the proof

The category of Best Fan Writer has been more than a little dubious since John Scalzi inaugurated the custom of a professional writer lobbying for the award. But it looks as if this year the nominees are actual fans from SF fandom, as opposed to novelists like Scalzi and Hines slumming it in order to score a trophy. And to think they accuse us of gaming the awards!

In any event, after a perusal of the five nominee's sites, I found that Abigail Nussbaum of Asking the Wrong Questions is the best of the Best Fan Writer category. And while it can hardly compare to John C. Wright's comprehensive demolition of the man's work, this review of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials is more than a little entertaining:
Book I

Pullman: Religion is Evil.

Readers: Why?

Pullman: Because priests kill babies.

Readers: No they don't. You just made that up in the book.

Pullman: Shut up! Look at Iorek Byrnison!

Readers: Hey, he is cool. (Iorek does cool stuff for one book and then spends the next two books being completely boring, chasing after Lyra.)

Book II

Pullman: God is Evil.

Readers: Why?

Pullman: Because priests kill babies.

Readers: No they don't. Hey, how come you can't seem to separate organized religion and God? And how come the only organized religion in your books is Catholicism?

Pullman: Shut up! Look at Will!

Readers: Hey, he is really cool. (Will does really cool stuff for one book and then spends the next book being completely boring, chasing after Lyra.)

Book III

Pullman: God, religion, and any person of faith are Evil.

Readers: Why?

Pullman: Sheesh, are you deaf? They kill babies!

Readers: Hang on, the leader of the fight against God also killed a baby. Why isn't he evil?

Pullman: No he didn't.

Readers: Yes he did, it's right here in the first book.

Pullman: Shut up! Look at Will and Lyra having sex!

Readers: Urg. Isn't Lyra ten?

Pullman: She's twelve now.

Readers: Well, that makes it all better, then.

Lyra: Even though I've never shown any interest in religion or the struggle against God, and I've never really been taught anything about the subject, I will now give a long stirring speech about establishing the Republic of Heaven, just in case there are still readers who aren't brainwa... I mean convinced. (Book ends.)

Pullman: Remember, God is Evil.
Miss Nussbaum may not be terribly keen on me, but it's hard to hold that against her when she produces amusing gems like this: "When we look back on this year, what we'll remember is Vox Day."

No doubt she is entirely correct.

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Anonymous patrick kelly May 02, 2014 1:16 PM  

Funny stuff there.

This could also be a template for reviewing anti-theist polemic books, or responding to tads'n'wabbits here.

Anti-theist: Inaccurate, exaggerated, historically, philosophically and logically ignorant poo slinging at religion.

Critic: That's not true, you pulled it out of a rabbit's ass, look at this response and evidence.

Anti-theist: Ignore and point to more of the same drivel, stomp foot, yell louder...

Rinse, repeat.....

(at least that's what I read here. Occasionally I read the referenced source material, but not lately)

Anonymous Anonymous May 02, 2014 1:22 PM  

LOL! This is insidious -- now when Abigail Nussbaum wins the Hugo we'll never know whether it was because of voters from the left or right.

Anonymous Harold Carper May 02, 2014 1:25 PM  

If that don't put a smile on your face...

Anonymous wEz May 02, 2014 1:41 PM  

Abigail for President!!!
Wait, who's Abigail again? I'll just vote for her because Vox told me. Cause thats what we ilk do right? We are a mindless vile group after all.

Anonymous Daniel May 02, 2014 1:48 PM  

Neocon Nussbaum! That critique is fairly clever, and makes up for her incoherent populist reaction to the award announcements which kind of boiled down to: "It's a thrilling honor that compromises my dignity."

Anonymous anon123 May 02, 2014 1:48 PM  

Yup. No such thing as bad publicity.

Blogger tz May 02, 2014 1:49 PM  

Maybe they misunderstood and nominated the Best Fan hit with fecal matter scattering it upon a pile of paper. And I don't mean Charmin.

Anonymous Troll May 02, 2014 1:59 PM  

(insert farts by Ann Morgan and Tad here)

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 May 02, 2014 2:01 PM  

If Mz. Nussbaum is the best of the Best, well, there you go.
This was excerpt was amusing, but I saw nothing else on her site that would convince me she wouldn't gleefully light the pyre beneath a theist's feet if given the opportunity to do so.
And what the Hell is it with Veronica Mars?
It's like the Redshirts version of Nancy Drew.

Blogger szook May 02, 2014 2:17 PM do you KNOW she's a witch?

Anonymous Gold to $10,000 May 02, 2014 2:19 PM  


Anonymous patrick kelly May 02, 2014 2:42 PM  


Are these people really that dense?

I read the comments about how SF and authors were political in the past as if that somehow necessitates witch/heresy hunting and just face-palm.....face-desk.....REALLY?

Blogger tz May 02, 2014 2:42 PM  

@gold10k. In the addendum, he noted Clarke moved to Sri Lanka. I didn't realize that Sri Lanka was more Technologically Advanced than the UK. Singapore turned itself around in a Generation, but it required an enlightened dictator, and they weren't and aren't the model of tolerance - and discovered that College educated women don't breed.

Reality and human nature is intolerant and unchangeable.

Blogger tz May 02, 2014 2:45 PM  

The Hugo's seem to echo the AfroAmerican debate techniques from an earlier post.

Anonymous Anonymous May 02, 2014 3:00 PM  

> No doubt she is entirely correct.

It's like The World's Greatest Performance Art Piece Ever, starring Vox Day and The Thousand-Rabbit Chorus. You'd think when it started leaking into mainstream media they'd start to figure that out, but apparently not...

Anonymous Jeanne May 02, 2014 3:09 PM  

Amusing. :)

I am very much looking forward to the release of the HUGO voter packet. I anticipate spending most of the month of June reading through it all....

Anonymous hygate May 02, 2014 3:11 PM  


Did Heinlein and Asimov, who had very different politics, spend a lot of time attacking each other and manuvering to get the other kicked out of the SFWA? I don't recall that.

Her argument seems to be that they were white and therefore they didn't have any real disagreements cause they were spending all their time oppressing women and minorities.

And now that women and minorities, with the correct opinions of course, have been empowered well of course we are going to spend all of our time trying to shut you up cause, shut up.

Cause bad people can't produce great art, just look at that Wagner fellow. And even if they do, well acknowledging it is badthink cause, shut up.

Blogger Manach May 02, 2014 3:18 PM  

But religion is evil of course. Why else, as a religious Catholic, do I worship at the altar of the International Lord of Hate - Mr. Larry Correia, and purchase his excellent novels.

Anonymous paradox May 02, 2014 3:33 PM  

patrick kelly

Are these people really that dense?

You've obviously not seen the ones Nate debates on Facebook.

Anonymous hygate May 02, 2014 3:45 PM  

Suppose Vox was the hateist hater that ever hated in the history of hatedom.

In such a case why would his opposition wish to silence him?

Doesn't he betray himself as a hatey McHater with every hateful syllable that issues from his hateful mouth?

I think their need to silence their opposition stems from their secular, functionally if not outright atheistic, world view. Absent objective morality the things they claim to value are not intrinsically valuable. They are just the current fad, no different from a hula-hoop or slinky. And just as dependent on propaganda for their popularity. Once you reject natural law and a creator that is the state of the universe. They know this at least at a sub-concious level and therefore reject argument because once morality is a matter of preference then all arguments concerning it must be rhetorical in nature. Dialectic just does not come into it.

Blogger Outlaw X May 02, 2014 3:51 PM  

No doubt she is entirely correct.

Yeah, but not for the reason she thinks.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco May 02, 2014 3:51 PM  

Her 2014 Hugo Ballot is 100% female. Shoking!

Anonymous DrTorch May 02, 2014 4:16 PM  

Kind of odd, since her earlier rant against VD went the same way:

Nussbaum: Vox Day is a despicable person

Readers: Yeah! Tell us why again.

Nussbaum: He eats babies...

Anonymous bob k. mando May 02, 2014 4:17 PM  

Full-Fledged Fiasco May 02, 2014 3:51 PM
Her 2014 Hugo Ballot is 100% female.

there's no sexism in action to be observed here.

move along citizen, before i have to arrest you for disturbing the peace of the goodthinkers.

Blogger Leatherwing May 02, 2014 4:29 PM  

Suppose Vox was the hateist hater that ever hated in the history of hatedom.

In such a case why would his opposition wish to silence him?

Because, trigger alerts!!!

Anonymous WaterBoy May 02, 2014 4:48 PM  

Full-Fledged Fiasco: "Her 2014 Hugo Ballot is 100% female."

Not quite. The page to which you linked was only for Best Novel and Campbell Award for Best New Writer nominations, which were all women.

However, on that same page, you will find links to the other categories, which do include nominations for a smattering of men, as well. The nominations do tilt overwhelmingly female, just not 100% as asserted.

Anonymous WaterBoy May 02, 2014 4:56 PM  

In fact, change that "smattering" to an overwhelmingly male slate in the Media categories.

Anonymous Logan May 02, 2014 5:42 PM  

So their argument is, if you kill babies, you're evil.

I find that argument to be rather ironic. Who gives more approval to killing babies: pro-life Christians or pro-choice secularists?

Since doctors who perform abortions kill babies, and killing babies is evil, and most secularists are pro-choice, does it not follow that most secularists are approving evil?

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with the above argument?

Anonymous bob k. mando May 02, 2014 6:32 PM  

Logan May 02, 2014 5:42 PM
Can anyone tell me what's wrong with the above argument?

sure, no prob.

being as humans have no souls in a secular atheist universe and are biologically just the same as all other animals, it becomes quite clear that what makes a human "human" is ... the act of passing through the birth canal.

because no other mammal does that. herp derp.

so, because unborn children aren't "human" and therefore don't qualify for legal protections there can be no legal or moral ramifications for excising a pound or two of extra flesh from the womb.

especially, one should not expect the prospective mother to experience emotional feelings of loss or hormonal imbalances due to the unexpected termination of the normal biological process.

because SCIENCE!

however, killing post-birth children IS a heinous crime. a crime so heinous that it's heinousity is exceeded only by a man having the temerity to raise his hand to a woman.


seriously, you religious nuts are just so dense and backwards. WHY U BREATHE MAH AIR?

Blogger Joshua Dyal May 02, 2014 6:36 PM  

So... Amanda Nussbaum closed her comments because of all the "spam" this post attracted? Really?

Anonymous WaterBoy May 02, 2014 6:45 PM  

Joshua Dyal: "So... Amanda Nussbaum closed her comments because of all the "spam" this post attracted? Really?"

Considering that was back in 2007, and possibly before spam filters were employed (still not a built-in feature of Blogger, apparently)...yes, it's understandable.

Anonymous Flinders May 02, 2014 7:32 PM  

I was going to ask what Vox thought of His Dark Materials. I think this answers my question.

It seems I'm not the only one that thought the series took a massive dive in quality after the first book which I enjoyed. The third book was just garbage.

Blogger GK Chesterton May 02, 2014 7:32 PM  

For those of you who got the Hugo, how long did the packet take to arrive? I got a receipt instantaneously but the packet "could take a couple of weeks because about a thousand new people have signed up".

Anonymous Logan May 02, 2014 8:48 PM  

I stand corrected. Bob's refutation of my argument is indisputable.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 02, 2014 8:54 PM  

This is entirely OT so I apologize, but I think it's not without interest. Anybody here who is the parent to a little girl is almost certainly familiar by now with the movie "Frozen". (It's a masterpiece in my opinion, but that's for another day.) The centerpiece of the movie is the knockout song "Let It Go", which has sort of become the national anthem for little girls all over the planet. It's been translated and sung in more than 30 languages to date. The song is a rip-roarer, and also a masterpiece of dramatic irony (will explain if questioned about it). If you know anything about music (and I'm sorry, but Psykosonik doesn't count) then you'll hear that there are interesting key changes in this, but this (one figures) somewhat randomly-assembled gang of little kids pulls them off quite well. It's a good job, and it renews one's faith in humanity. Have a listen.

Blogger Dominic Saltarelli May 02, 2014 8:59 PM  

Pullman\s popularity has nothing to do with his message or politics... When you write a book with lots of talking animals, instant win.

Seriously, name a book or series of books that revolved around talking animals that wasn't at least 3 shades of awesome.

Anonymous scoobius dubious May 02, 2014 9:05 PM  

I should add that the character of Elsa (one of the greatest animated characters in ages, IMO) doesn't translate well in a human costume at the Disney parks. They can put a lot of animated characters in costume in Disneyworld to fine effect, but Elsa doesn't play in a wig and a dress. Her character is in her soul, which you can't convey with a wig. Oh well, what ya gonna do.

Anonymous kh123 May 02, 2014 9:24 PM  

"however, killing post-birth children IS a heinous crime. a crime so heinous that it's heinousity is exceeded only by a man having the temerity to raise his hand to a woman."

If I didn't know any better, I would have sworn that Ann had paid us a visit. Thank God for consistent handles.

Anonymous zen0 May 02, 2014 9:39 PM  

Seriously, name a book or series of books that revolved around talking animals that wasn't at least 3 shades of awesome.

I hear ya, but serously, if animals could talk it would even be more boring than what you get from humans.

"Its BACON!!" is probably shakespeare in animal speak.

Yes, I know it is fiction, but one can suspend disbelief so far.

I speak as one who was brought up on Thornton Burgess stories.

If animals were that articulate, you would have a hard time eating the motherfuckers.

As it is, not so much. It is barbecue night.

Anonymous ivvenalis May 02, 2014 9:56 PM  

This is a pretty huge problem with fiction in general. World building seems largely to be a bit similar to painting: the "real" image of a competent artist appears plausible but doesn't really have much in common with reality.

Anonymous Eric Ashley May 02, 2014 11:47 PM  

Pullman was less than the sum of his parts, which I associate with thematic difficulties. Also, the whole killing a kid thing, and being anti-God (or anti a certain strawman version of God) is enough to make me not even finish the first book.

Then he says he's the anti-Narnia (hah, you wish), but not anti-Tolkien because Tolkien is so worthless (Insert aghast snark here.)

Anonymous p-dawg May 03, 2014 1:35 AM  

I assume the priests work at Planned Parenthood in his universe. Haven't read the books, though.

Anonymous bob k. mando May 03, 2014 1:39 AM  

Dominic Saltarelli May 02, 2014 8:59 PM
Seriously, name a book or series of books that revolved around talking animals that wasn't at least 3 shades of awesome.

well ... Nail Bunny was kind of interesting. but i'm not sure that's the effect you're going for here.

Anonymous Pseudo-Nate May 03, 2014 2:47 AM  

He hath purged me and hindered me half a million, laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my ilk, disregarded all logic, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies—and what’s his reason? I am a Latino SFF writer. Hath not a POC eyes? Hath not a POC hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions for soccer? Fed with the same merlot and prosciutto? Armed with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Rabbit is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you snap at our tasty ankles, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not watch with mirth as you drink from the glass? And if you test us, shall we not kick you in the teeth?? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a POC wrong a Rabbit,what is his humility? Revenge. If a Rabbit wrong a POC what should his sufferance be by Rabbit's example? Why, overwhelming force. The villainy you teach me I will execute—and it shall go hard but you will better the instruction.

Blogger Lud VanB May 03, 2014 3:01 AM  

the villain of the HDM trilogy isent's actually the archangel Metatron

Blogger Hermit May 03, 2014 7:03 AM  

That trilogy is like philosophical satanism. He probably don't believe in the devil or anything but his message goes in that direction.

Blogger Buddy E. May 03, 2014 8:15 AM  

GK Chersterson,

I was wondering the same thing. I signed up as a supporting member to loncon3 last week, got the obvious auto gen email "we got you money you are a member, the packet well be delivered in the manner you requested" and nothing further. Anyone else that signed up recently get the Hugo packet yet?

Blogger Lud VanB May 03, 2014 8:26 AM  

"That trilogy is like philosophical satanism. He probably don't believe in the devil or anything but his message goes in that direction."

more like philosophical luciferianism...the difference being that luciferians are strong proponent of individual freedom and oppose arbitrary authority. The main antagonist in HDM is called The Authority.

Anonymous Anonymous May 03, 2014 11:16 AM  

My 'favorite' bit about the first book was when Pullman invented an item (the alethiometer, aka the golden compass what titles the novel in the States) that in his gifted main character's hands told objective truth. He gave his character tarot cards that really work and could answer any question.

After a couple of chapters he realizes that if he wants to claim that his ten year old character is smart, he has to make it not work or else she'll just solve the whole book from there. Whoops, suddenly she's 'too old' and not so gifted and special with the compass any more.

After that and several other badly disguised hoary plotting cliches, I didn't go on. (Hoary plotting cliches, like a kid hidden in a closet who overhears something important, are just fine but they have to be done well so they don't jar you out of the book and make you think, 'Oh, hoary plotting cliche number 4.')

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