Thursday, July 03, 2014

It's probably Jenny's fault

I always find it amazing how vaxx-propagandists get worked up over American parents who don't get their infants vaccinated against sexually transmitted diseases, then blithely turn a blind eye to mass immigration from countries with diseases for which there are not even any vaccinations:
Hundreds of West Africans could be carrying the deadly Ebola virus and not know it, potentially infecting hundreds more, as cash-strapped governments and overwhelmed aid agencies struggle to contain the virus's spread.

At least 1,500 people have not yet been traced who are known to have come into contact with others confirmed or suspected to be infected with the haemorrhagic fever, Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) told The Telegraph.

Many more could be moving freely in the three countries battling the virus, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, but fear of the illness and mistrust of Western medicine means they refuse to come forward to speak to doctors.

The current outbreak is the worst ever. So far 467 people have died and health staff have identified at least 292 other suspected or confirmed cases.
There were already serious concerns that Ebola had come to Italy with a boatload of illegal immigrants, which fortunately turned out to be a false alarm. Considering how Americans in Texas and Arizona are already catching tuberculosis and other diseases from the Border Intifada, it should be fascinating to see how Americans will react if one of those West Africans turns out to have hopped a plane to New York City... especially if it was in order to see Jenny McCarthy on The View.



Anonymous the bandit July 03, 2014 4:31 PM

"The authors, lead by Pamala Gahr of the Minnesota Department of Health, determined that the outbreak began when an unvaccinated 2-year-old travelled to Kenya, where he contracted the measles virus. Upon returning to the United States, the child developed a fever, cough and vomiting, some of the early signs and symptoms of measles. Unfortunately, prior to a diagnosis of measles, the child passed the virus on to three children in a child day-care center and another household member. The measles then spread from individual to individual within a low vaccine uptake area, a Somali immigrant community in the Minneapolis area. Eventually, more than 3,000 people were exposed to the disease."

Additional figures in that article make me wonder whether the decrease in vaccination coverage is not, as the authors suppose, the result of American anti-vaxxers like Jenny McCarthy, but rather a corresponding increase in never-vaccinated immigrants. The sharp drop-off in coverage corresponds with years of sudden increase in new Somali immigrants.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 03, 2014 4:32 PM  

it should be fascinating to see how Americans will react if one of those West Africans turns out to have hopped a plane to New York City

Or when one of the poor, oppressed asylum-seeking refugees returns to his place of refuge after picking up a case of Ebola while flying home to visit the family (and/or terrorist training camp).

BTW, there was a recent SoCal outbreak of Whooping Cough where 85% of the kids who got it were fully vaccinated according to government schedules. I'm sure that was somehow the fault of the 15% who weren't vaccinated.

Anonymous vevets July 03, 2014 4:38 PM  

I'm a rabid anti-migrationist precisely for the health concern reason ... it's just that the critical mass of people making their voices heard to the point of affecting social policy are effin' pussies. They won't do, nor will they advocate, the right and necessary thing.
First of all, rip that f***ing plaque with Emma Lazarus' quote off the Statue of Liberty, then brutally shut down all legal immigration for a moderating period, then brutally stop the influx at our southern border. Reinstate immigration for desirable skillsets, not manual labor. Our teens need to learn the value of hard work. Our underemployed need to learn there is no shame in physical labor nor is there labor that is beneath you. You move up in life by proving you can add something to your employer's bottom-line by your effort.

Anonymous Alexander July 03, 2014 4:44 PM  

I imagine an ebola outbreak in the double digits may well be enough to render any discussion of Mr. Kratman's proposals moot. The population at large will settle the issue for us all, and likely much more brutally.

Anonymous Big Bill July 03, 2014 5:33 PM  

I suspect that the Somalis will always need someone to follow them, wipe their noses and bottoms and keep them from dying of various diseases.

Contrary to Daily Kos, the sudden outbreak in Minnesota has more to do with the Minnesotans letting Somalis run around loose without their keepers than some sudden Somali interest in autism, anti-vaccination theology and Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

If you take your dog off its leash you have no one the blame but yourself if it gets hit by a car.

Anonymous Will Best July 03, 2014 5:41 PM  

I have taken to asking vaxxer zealots since its child abuse to not vaccinate, if they are in favor of the absolute and immediate deportation of every immigrant legal or illegal that cannot provide their certified vaccination schedule and photo identification.

I then shame them for being child abusers, because they are willfully exposing their children to diseases.

Anonymous ENthePeasant July 03, 2014 5:44 PM  

Thanks for posting the full link. Don't always have time to read all the comments. Must say that Kratman's dissection of police personal problems is dead on. Too many cops means huge problems and retiring them at anything less than thirty allows the riff raff to get jobs... and the riff raff is always trying.

Anonymous Dr. Idle Spectator, Yale Virology July 03, 2014 7:02 PM  

I'm not too worried about Ebola. It is usually so deadly that the outbreaks burn themselves out before spreading too much. Just avoiding the tainted blood is enough with sanitation. Africa has a problem with that.

Tuberculosis is the real problem. That's going to be a real bitch to deal with.

As Donald Rumsfeld once said, you have the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns. There are the known unknowns like Ebola. I'm more worried about some random deadly virus coming out of a rainforest and spreading. Maybe a road gets paved. Some new animal vector. A mutation. Unknown unknowns.

Anonymous Ivan Poland July 03, 2014 7:04 PM  

When I was in high school I and many friends would pick strawberries for summer work. Some picked onions or garlic. Some got lucky and scored a job washing dishes. It taught us to appreciate hard work and the value of a dollar. This was only 25 years ago. Now this kind of work is beneath the average high schooler I guess.

My college students today really believe they *deserve * a high paying job right out of college. When I point out that their trade school peers make 4x the pay with their 2 year degree (and no debt) than those with a 4 year degree with loads of debt, they are aghast that I would suggest such a thing. We need more professionals with degrees in 18th Century Lesbian Poetry working at Starbucks don't you know.

Anonymous Anonymous July 03, 2014 7:06 PM  

Yes, if the vaccination zealots were really fearful of disease, they'd be demanding that we tighten up the borders. Since they're not -- and usually they're just the opposite -- they must have another motive for attacking dissenters. Which looks something like this: "I feel safe here in the herd. As long as I'm in the herd and the herd moves together, I'm comfortable. The whole herd can't be wrong, and nothing can happen to me here that doesn't happen to all of us. But wait, a few members of the herd just wandered over there away from the herd. Now I'm confused and fearful, because I don't know where I should be. Is this still the best, safest spot, or should I be over there with them? I'm afraid!"

So whatever they can do to keep everyone in the herd, they'll do.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 03, 2014 7:23 PM  

Ivan Poland
"Now this kind of work is beneath the average high schooler I guess."

The average high schooler has been pushed out of employment by immigration and the current depression.
Jobs that high school kids used to have are taken by swarthy midgets from Mexico or they no longer exist.

The local chicken plant used to hire locals, replaced them with Mexican and has now replaced the Mexicans with Somalis. Like we needed a population of 3rd world Muslims in our local area.

The grocery stores no longer have baggers. The shelves are stocked by grown men, either retired or laid off from better jobs.

A year or two ago, it came out that some of the resorts up in Massachusetts , within easy commutes of several colleges, were bringing in Central Americans and not even attempting to recruit American college students. The immigrants worked cheaper.

Blogger Outlaw X July 03, 2014 7:27 PM  

A Dallas judge unveiled three possible sites, two in Dallas and one in Grand Prairie, that could temporarily house about 2,000 children who entered the U.S. illegally without their parents, amid a dramatic spike in border crossings by undocumented children that has overwhelmed officials.

What Dumbasses

Blogger J Curtis July 03, 2014 7:35 PM  

Note to self....

Start working the term 'Border Intifada' into discussions conserning illegal immigration :)

Anonymous takin' a look July 03, 2014 7:41 PM  

Kilo papa, you want some cheese with that whine?

Anonymous Post July 03, 2014 8:04 PM  

You are just so edgy, kp. The Paula Poundstone of your generation.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings July 03, 2014 8:09 PM  

Start working the term 'Border Intifada' into discussions conserning illegal immigration :)

Too late, it's colonization now. Apparently America doesn't have enough Gimme Dats, we must import more…For The Children!

Anonymous Susan July 03, 2014 8:16 PM  

@Ivan Poland

It isn't just that kids don't want to work. They aren't allowed to. OSHA and lots of nanny state type regs are preventing kids from getting traditional and decent summer jobs. Absolutely ridiculous.

Anonymous roo_ster July 03, 2014 8:28 PM  

cailcorishev wrote
"Yes, if the vaccination zealots were really fearful of disease, they'd be demanding that we tighten up the borders. Since they're not -- and usually they're just the opposite -- they must have another motive for attacking dissenters."

cailcorishev, you know that they say about assumptions?

This particular vaccination "zealot(1)" has been agitating for border control, an immigration moratorium (legal and otherwise), an end to birthright citizenship, E-Verify, prosecuting employers of illegals, and deportation/repatriation via attrition for years if not decades.

And when I say "border control," I mean Gaza/West Bank-like barriers with networked ground & air sensors and C2 robust enough for the task(2). Plus patrols by Reservists, National Guardsmen, and Regulars running hot (combat load) with embedded Border Patrol agents to apprehend all border infiltrators they stir up. Patrols to be both foot and light vehicle mounted, with airmobile support(3). Those apprehended to go to tent cities in the middle of the desert to be held for at least a season or a maybe year before deportation so as to monkey wrench their plans. Their particular stay to be cut short if they provide information leading to apprehension of illegals already in the wilds in the USA.

(1) If by "zealot" you mean I ran the probabilities and figured vaccination was a better bet than non-vaccination for self and family.

(2) I ran the numbers for a ROM, given the cost/mile of the Israeli fence. Very do-able and affordable given respective population, GDP, and miles of border.

(3) Why go to the ME to train in the desert when we have a fine desert crawling with enemies of the citizenry here at home?

Anonymous The other skeptic July 03, 2014 8:47 PM  

Clearly, the influx of children across the southern border is so vaccine companies can have more victims.

Infowars has a different take.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 03, 2014 8:50 PM  


You're not a zealot if you make a choice for you and your family. That's your job, and doing so is commendable. You're only a zealot if you insist you should get to make the choice for me and my family too.

Anonymous REG July 03, 2014 9:34 PM  

Since I'm not getting the right news, I get most of this information from blogs like this one. I'm sure that with over three hundred million people, there are just about three hundred million different views. So there probably is some people totally against all vaccinations; however, it's my understanding that protestors like Jenny are not against all vaccines; but, against the vaccination schedule being used on the very young.
I do know that when I try to discuss it with pro-vaccination people, they argue about how safe vaccine is and refuse to discuss the age of the children. Today on Facebook, they showed ( from Huffington naturally) a teenager getting a shot and claiming that the vaccine wouldn't cause Autism.
Anyway, I would really like to know if the protest is over the schedule or the vaccine. I would really like to have some ammo to shoot.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 03, 2014 10:24 PM  

It seems unlikely that those new immigrants, whether from south of the border or from Somalia, whether vaccinated or not, would be able to understand this course and thus be able to construct devices that guide things ...

Anonymous Jack Amok July 03, 2014 10:34 PM  


For my part, I think some vaccines are worth the risk, others aren't, and the idiotic schedule that pumps infants full of multiple vaccines at once is a terrible idea. I don't trust the claims that vaccines never, ever, cause Autism. I don't know for certain that they do, but the reporting that says the don't is shoddy and smells of propaganda.

I also profoundly oppose mandatory vaccinations. That should be each families choice. The claim that people who don't get vaccinated are putting others at risk is preposterous. If vaccines protect you from the disease, then my contracting it and helping to spread the germs can't harm you, your kids, or your grandma - if you've all followed your own advice and gotten the shots.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 03, 2014 10:36 PM  

Er, profusely oppose. You'll have to decide if my opposition is profound or not.

Stupid language...

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 03, 2014 10:47 PM  

I've been demanding tighter borders myself for sometime. Not that it's going to do the least bit of good with Obama on the throne.

"Borrowing Congressional powers." to fix immigration.

It's impressive. Augustus Caesar twisted the republic of Rome's constitutional laws into a pretzel to give himself imperial powers but he never destroyed it in the process.

Obama means to surpass him.

The amazing part is the Democrats seem oblivious to the fact that precedent for this president is precednt for the next. The fact that there will eventually be a GOP president seems to be a ThoughtCrime.

Anonymous The other skeptic July 03, 2014 10:59 PM  

The fat man wants to get re-elected.

Where is the ugly dog?

Blogger LibertyPortraits July 03, 2014 11:00 PM  

Have we learned nothing from the annihilation of the Native American populations!

Anonymous The other skeptic July 03, 2014 11:17 PM  

Have we learned nothing from the annihilation of the Native American populations!

That was many generations ago and their southern compatriots are little match for the European descended.

Anonymous zen0 July 03, 2014 11:20 PM  

Fuck ebola. Have you heard of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome?
Its breaking out in Saudi Arabia. 30-40% death rate.

That's right, kiddies. Doomsday virus.

Thank goodness their are no people from Saudi Arabia visiting the US.

(put sarc tag here)

Blogger RobertW July 03, 2014 11:22 PM  

1500 West Africans exposed to Ebola? Obama will send a plane to bring them here.

Anonymous REG July 03, 2014 11:23 PM  

No problem; just that I'm tired of having these people whine about the discrimination against vaccine and ignore the infant vaccine schedule. I think it is more of the Liberal stance that you have to accept the total package or you are a bad person and I'd like to be able to make them face the fact it's the schedule more than the vaccine.

Blogger James Dixon July 03, 2014 11:24 PM  

> Obama means to surpass him.

Obama is merely following in the footsteps of his great predecessors: Lincoln and Roosevelt. He considers it shame he can't go further and follow in the footsteps of Mao and Stalin, but one does what one can.

Anonymous Jack Amok July 04, 2014 12:03 AM  

Fuck ebola. Have you heard of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome?

I thought MERS required a camel for transmission?


I do suspect the schedule is a bigger problem than any individual vaccine. It certainly maximizes any problems.

Blogger IM2L844 July 04, 2014 1:36 AM  

The whole herd can't be wrong, and nothing can happen to me here that doesn't happen to all of us.

Ya gotta hand it to 'em. Progressives know how to build a damn fine virtual frame echo chamber.

Anonymous Toby Temple July 04, 2014 2:33 AM  

Pro-vaxxers are not afraid of these disease riddled immigrants. They are immune!!!

.... well, until their vaccine infested blood fails them.

Anonymous Laz July 04, 2014 4:07 AM  

"You move up in life by proving you can add something to your employer's bottom-line by your effort."

From experience, I know you can literally double the bottom line for the boss/owner and still lose your job because somebody was blowing smoke up their ass.

Anonymous zen0 July 04, 2014 5:20 AM  

I thought MERS required a camel for transmission?

Not anymore.

Just like SARS. Started in small mammals - adapted to human hosts. It is thought MERS originated through the Arab tradition of drinking camel urine, usually mixed with milk.

Sometimes they get it direct from the source, without recourse to the use of dinnerware, if you catch my drift .

Anonymous wEz July 04, 2014 10:25 AM  

Our 20 month isnt vaccinated and we have no intent on doing so after educated research. Luckily, we have found an in-network natural health practitioner for her. Hopefully her docs' "superiors" dont find out.
And for those that call not vac child abuse.....blow me. Worry about pumping shit into your own kid.

Anonymous roo_ster July 05, 2014 9:10 AM  


It is very similar to the old george carlin driving skit where everyone going faster than you is a maniac and everyone going slower is an idiot.

When applied to parenting everyone doing more than you is a helicopter parent and those doing less are abusing their kids.

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