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Wednesday, August 20, 2014

Fight them over here

American journalists discover they are not off-limits to the caliphate:
American freelance photo-journalist James Wright Foley has been beheaded by ISIS in a video message posted today online and titled as 'A Message to America'. Foley, pictured centre and top left, has been missing since November 2012 after being taken hostage while reporting from Syria. ISIS posted the extremely graphic video to social media as proof of their barbaric action. Foley addresses the camera before he is killed and labels the US government his real killers as a man in black robes armed with a gun stands over him. The journalist then leaves a haunting message for his brother, John, who is in the US Air Force. 'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on these people. They signed my death certificate'. ISIS, which has claimed control of most of northern Iraq and parts of Syria is threatening to kill Time journalist Joel Sotloff unless President Obama ceases attacks on the terror group. Foley's family including parents John and Diane, of Rochester, New Hampshire, bottom left, had publicly appealed for their son's release.
The Bush Concept had it exactly backwards. Fighting them over there so we would not have to fight them here was only going to inflame the situation, which is exactly what has happened. The West must fight them here so it can leave them alone there. Islam has no place in the West. It must be driven out again, just as it was driven out of Spain and Austria centuries ago.

I warned about the rise of the caliphate years ago, to the mocking disbelief of some who genuinely believed the so-called Arab Spring meant the rise of liberal democracy in Araby. Now we're seeing it take shape. The nations of the West will eventually decide it is necessary to ban Islam again, and repatriate Muslims to the House of Submission again, so the sooner it does so, the less bloody the conflict in the House of War will be.

One friend of the Foley family said something important. "These savages have got to be stopped. It’s coming West." Only it is not coming West. It began coming West decades ago, and now there are millions of them in the West. What is coming is the Second Reconquista. The West is not going to die. Europe belongs to us.

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 20, 2014 1:57 AM  

"The nations of the West will eventually decide to ban Islam and repatriate Muslims to the House of Submission..."

No, Vox. This will not happen. Islam was driven out of the European mainland thanks to Christendom. But now, Christendom has been temporally castrated.

The West completely and utterly cannot fight Islam. The West lacks the will, and it also lacks the knowledge of what, exactly, it is. Most of all, the West lacks Christ. It was an inattention to Christ that led to the bungling of all Crusades after the First, and it will be the same lack of fealty that will continue to create a vacuum, which will be swiftly filled up with Islam right under our noses.

Atheists think we can have a godless hedonistic libertarian society, and that everything will be fine. The journey towards that land of imagination has softened us, made us weak, and unable to fight the battles that need fighting.

Look forward to more anarchy and more islands of Islam in future decades--hello Dearborn, Michigan.

Anonymous GreyS August 20, 2014 1:59 AM  

The West must fight them here so it can leave them alone there

So you are saying we need to go Billy Jack on their ass.

Blogger papabear August 20, 2014 2:05 AM  

I wouldn't have a problem with him being critical of the US government but calling them his killers when he decided to go over there? And then referencing the USAF? How is his brother supposed to feel about that? Wouldn't it have been better for him to go out "a man," like that Italian in one of the beheading videos? Was he a liberal true believer?

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 2:06 AM  

The comments on the DailyMail are calling for more conventional 2G/3G warfare against ISIS.

Ah, secular equalist democracy, where 18 year-old kids and women get to vote for creating even more anti-Western, pro-Caliphate animosity in the Middle East!

Anonymous rho August 20, 2014 2:12 AM  

The man labels his real killers as the US government?

C'mon, guys.

Anonymous Soga August 20, 2014 2:15 AM  

It's also really fascinating that Foley was captured in Syria.

I wonder how many of the ISIS fighters were fighting alongside the Syrian rebels that the USG wanted to arm...

Blogger Unknown August 20, 2014 2:17 AM  

After watching this obscenity it's obvious the poor SOB was told they were just making a propaganda video. Nobody who thought he was about to get his head cut off would be so calm and compliant.

Obama will do nothing and we'll be seeing more of this.

My advice is to stay off airlines and keep away from shopping malls.

Anonymous rho August 20, 2014 2:32 AM  

The Bush Concept had it exactly backwards. Fighting them over there so we would not have to fight them here was only going to inflame the situation, which is exactly what has happened. The West must fight them here so it can leave them alone there. Islam has no place in the West. It must be driven out again, just as it was driven out of Spain and Austria centuries ago.

Describe this plan of yours.

Anonymous Action Bronson August 20, 2014 2:33 AM  

Anyone have a link to the actual beheading vid? Im in the mood for some gore.

Anonymous A salaama licka my knob August 20, 2014 2:40 AM  

Im sure it will still be business as usual with the media; Islam is peace and white people suck. They'll scuttle the ship with all hands.

Anonymous Earl August 20, 2014 2:41 AM  

I don't want to watch the vid but you can describe it to me Bronson.

Blogger Will Brown August 20, 2014 2:47 AM  

Stipulated that some fairly amorphous group of individuals has declared itself "the Caliphate"; anybody heard anything said as to who among them might be a contender for the titular position? Can't have a caliphate without a Caliph, after all.

Anyone seriously opposed to becoming a recipient of radical Islamic violence ought to be considering ways and means to making that succession process as confused, confrontational and contentious as possible.

Anonymous TroperA August 20, 2014 2:55 AM  

The main fact you must remember about the Narcissist, is that he will willingly sacrifice his life and the lives of those around him to protect his ego. He must keep reality at bay. He must stamp out truth and elevate lies.

Christianity is an existential threat to the ego of the Narcissist. It tells him he is sinful, reckless, and not the center of the universe. It must be destroyed even if all of the good it brought into the world is destroyed as well.

Unfortunately for us, most of our business and political leaders are Narcissists:

http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/01/why-so-many-leaders-are-narcissists/

We are in the power of those who wish us harm.

Anonymous WiseCaveOwl August 20, 2014 3:23 AM  

ISIS has my permission to visit Sodom-on-the-Potomac, raise the Black Flag, and behead our entire Zionist-Globalist (as in: Israel gets to have borders but America doesn't) Occupation Government. And just to make it sticky, they can do up Wall Street, Las Vegas, and Hollywood as well. For this I will gladly give up booze, drugs, adultery, and pork.

Anonymous Action Bronson August 20, 2014 3:31 AM  

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278

Earl, Not gorey at all. I give it 4 out of 10.
He goes out like a bitch but the Saracens seem to have adapted quite well Western social media tactics. Extra stars for production.

Blogger Shimshon August 20, 2014 3:31 AM  

It has been nearly 100 years since there was an Islamic Caliphate. Even in its death throes it put on a fierce fight.

If the enthusiastic sentiment presented in the Vice.com video is widespread (and if you're a non-criminal Sunni who has been trampled on by the Shiite ruling class in Baghdad, why not?), they will pretty easily overrun any Sunni areas, regardless of what the US does. They will have no shortage of recruits.

The interactions recorded between the hisba police and the populace were interesting. Particularly the one between the officer and a man about his wife's manner of dress. There were implied threats against him and his wife, to be sure, if she wouldn't comply with his "request," but the framing was all about dignity and modesty. A light warning. No names were taken. No tickets issued. He didn't make an unreasonable demand that she change her clothes on the spot. It was actually quite civilized compared to the way armed cops approach people in the US. As long as you're Sunni and not a criminal.

However, the subtext of everything was conquest. IS intends to rule, to be sure. But it exists to conquer.

If someone else has watched the video series...I couldn't quite discern the words, but even though they showed the word "caliphate" in English, and it derives from an actual Arabic word, it seemed the term used by nearly everyone was not khalifa (or whatever) but rather "Dar al Islam." Can someone verify this?

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 20, 2014 3:32 AM  

The only wake-up call that's needed is for a bunch of White Women to be sold into "slavery" and have to watch their sons (but probably not their husbands) executed. They are the largest voting block of stupid and never have to pay for their stupidity and unless they do you can forget changes in attitudes. And trust me, they're not all that upset when it happens to various people's of Iraq and Syria. Not even a trace of recognizing the inevitable will cross their brains. I talk to these women all the time and they are so spectacularly clueless that only personal experience teaches them anything.

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 3:36 AM  

He barely flinched and he certainly didn't scream. Bravest person I've ever seen, God rest his soul.

...why aren't we nuking the shit out them again? Seemed to work against the Japanese.

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 3:44 AM  

The Bush Concept had it exactly backwards. Fighting them over there so we would not have to fight them here was only going to inflame the situation, which is exactly what has happened.

Notice before the Bush Doctrine we were already fighting them over here. And where was this video shot again?

Anonymous VD August 20, 2014 3:47 AM  

Stipulated that some fairly amorphous group of individuals has declared itself "the Caliphate"; anybody heard anything said as to who among them might be a contender for the titular position?

You're not paying attention. Ibrahim ibn Awwad ibn Ibrahim ibn Ali ibn Muhammad al-Badri al-Samarrai, usually known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been declared the caliph of the ISIS caliphate.

Anonymous Sigfader August 20, 2014 3:55 AM  

Bogey: "He barely flinched and he certainly didn't scream."

Agreed. Whoever he was, whatever he did, he went out like a man with more honour than most.

Anonymous Action Bronson August 20, 2014 4:00 AM  

"He barely flinched and he certainly didn't scream."

Didnt seem at peace to me. He looked like I would expect a human sacrifice to look like.
If muslim kidnappers put you in front of a vid cam with a black clad dude behind you, you're dead.
If they lie to you and say it's just a propaganda skit you're dumb and dead.

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 20, 2014 4:00 AM  

They're usually heavily sedated before they execution is done. They also practice four or five mock executions before hand so victim begins to believe it's all a game.

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 20, 2014 4:04 AM  

He's also been sodomized on a daily basis by all comers. His brutalization, combined with his execution training doesn't usually meet with much resistance.

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 4:07 AM  

He appeared alert and gritted has teeth as if expecting it. Now I could be wrong, as I have developed the internet age skill of seeing something without taking it all in.

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 4:08 AM  

He's also been sodomized on a daily basis by all comers. His brutalization, combined with his execution training doesn't usually meet with much resistance.

Source or relegated to pure speculation.

Anonymous ENthePeasant August 20, 2014 4:12 AM  

How about you look it up.

Anonymous DF August 20, 2014 5:46 AM  

"If someone else has watched the video series...I couldn't quite discern the words, but even though they showed the word "caliphate" in English, and it derives from an actual Arabic word, it seemed the term used by nearly everyone was not khalifa (or whatever) but rather "Dar al Islam." Can someone verify this?"

I hear dawlat al-islam (State of Islam), a variant of al-dawla al-islamiyya (Islamic State); I don't hear dar al-islam. They are definitely using the term khilafa (Caliphate) a lot, sometimes dawlat al-khilafa (Caliphate State), or dawlat al-khilafa al-islamiyya (Islamic Caliphate State).

Blogger Harambe August 20, 2014 5:46 AM  

If black union members will chop off a cop's lower jaw with a machete to keep him from screaming, then it's withing the realm of possibility that you may get cornholed by the sand people.

Anonymous Toby Temple August 20, 2014 6:14 AM  

I think its time to conquer Iraq and colonize it. Wipe out the muzzies. Then turn it into a christian state.

Anonymous AlteredFate August 20, 2014 6:35 AM  

You're not paying attention. Ibrahim ibn Awwad ibn Ibrahim ibn Ali ibn Muhammad al-Badri al-Samarrai, usually known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has been declared the caliph of the ISIS caliphate.

I have read that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was the AKA of a Mossad operative listed along with over 30,000(!) other people in documents stolen by the hacker group anonymous. Of course even if verfied it won't make a lick of difference to the general public, and its not really a huge suprise to those who keep up on such things.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 20, 2014 6:36 AM  

I think its time to conquer Iraq and colonize it. Wipe out the muzzies. Then turn it into a christian state.

For starters, Iraq is a completely artificial state, consisting of three groups who hate each other. Multiculturalism, in case anybody still hasn't learned, kills.

The Middle East is ungovernable. Too many people, too much diversity, not enough water or arable land. Brick the place up and tell them to sort things out over the next century.

We should also start building the nuclear power plants so we can power electric cars and stop buying Arab oil. Oil money has completely distorted that region. People who were living in tents a century ago suddenly become billionaires.

Anonymous true reactionary August 20, 2014 6:39 AM  

yet Protestants like Vox still defy the True Church, living in apostasy. As a heretical Baptist, can we not say Vox is as much a murderer of the West as any Muslim?

come back to Rome, or die.

Blogger Rhology August 20, 2014 6:45 AM  

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Anonymous Tizona August 20, 2014 7:00 AM  

Well, hopefully the Catholic blowback wipes out European Protestantism and Atheism as well.

You seem, contra Belloc, to have a misapprehension of who "we" are.

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 7:02 AM  

A salaama licka my knob August 20, 2014 2:40 AM

Im sure it will still be business as usual with the media; Islam is peace and white people suck. They'll scuttle the ship with all hands.


Speak it, and it shall be:


ISIS sign on streets of Ferguson

Some might argue that Tapper may not have seen the ISIS supporter immediately over his shoulder. Assuming that’s true, why did no one back at the CNN studio speak into Tapper’s earpiece and tell him? Obviously, the much more significant story than what was on the black man’s shirt was what was on the sign behind both he and Tapper.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 20, 2014 7:04 AM  

come back to Rome, or die.

To whom? +Francis of Lampedusa?

Rome is no longer the West. Rome is now the social democratic Global South. That's why the current Pontiff is Argentine. The next one will be Filipino. Or African.

Blogger Doom August 20, 2014 7:15 AM  

I honestly can't care about a reporter. Not one who was most recently working for the socialist press out of France. He has supported those who murdered him, so it is simply fitting justice. Pet the rabid dog, get bit. No skin off my nose. I see he was a coward propagandist to the end. I am pleased he was rightly repaid for his personal and professional lick-spittle.

As for fighting them over there versus fighting them here. You miss a huge concept. They are leaving Western nations to go 'over there' and fight. It's like a cockroach hotel, or was, over there. Until Zero turned off the lights and stopped the spraying. I wonder if they have a song... Hotel Caliphate. It is drawing large numbers of "Western" muslims still. Save when our idiot governments stop and arrest them, putting them in prison for just long enough to ensure there will be a terrorist movement in place, in the West, when they get out. Saving them for violence here when they get out. Idiots.

As to the West waking up, and deporting, or otherwise dealing with them, then going to war or just holding the tide? Not until a couple of nations are swallowed. Personally, I hope Spain finds out why some leaders saw fit to mercilessly push them out, and why a little further back some saw fit to spit any who were even suspected of colluding, as the first nation to fall. Their current socialism is an affront to every man, woman, and child murdered, brutalized, and raped by these animals, and every man who had to fight and die to get rid of them.

Anonymous paradox August 20, 2014 7:16 AM  

come back to Rome, or die.

And yet is it not Rome that supports illegal immigration. Now once again who is murdering the West?

Anonymous Old Man in a Villa August 20, 2014 7:19 AM  

I remember the first time I read The Camp of the Saints and thought what a horrifying dystopian novel it was. I read it every three or four years now to keep up with what's coming next because so far, it hasn't missed much.

Not holding out hope for the survival of the West. Spengler nailed it, it is not only terminal, it wants to die.

Blogger Markku August 20, 2014 7:27 AM  

Obama probably came in his pants when he saw that.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 20, 2014 7:27 AM  

Remember "Real" Islam is on Team Democratic Party, go to Kos and get the official word. Now let the rabbits defend Islam, don't wander off into the finer points of abstract blah, blah sharpen your swords of truth and jab, jab, jab, till they are dead.

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 7:29 AM  

WiseCaveOwl August 20, 2014 3:23 AM

ISIS has my permission to visit Sodom-on-the-Potomac, raise the Black Flag, and behead our entire Zionist-Globalist (as in: Israel gets to have borders but America doesn't) Occupation Government.


Won't have to wait long. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood both work for the same goal. You know the Brotherhood....Obama's favored muslim group in the MId-east. Many Brothers work in the administration. Obama's Cairo speech was written by members of the Brotherhood.

Blogger Dark Herald August 20, 2014 7:33 AM  

The reaction of the press is what is most telling about this. They are describing this as a tragedy, like he he had bad spill walking down the stairs.

If journalism were representative of a society that still believed in itself. They would be using words like savagery and barbaric.

And a number of other words indicting they looked down on the society that produced this horror show as primitive and inferior. That of course being the problem. They can't let themselves even think that. Primitive, yes but I can't say it's inferior.

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 7:58 AM  

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Blogger Unknown August 20, 2014 8:12 AM  


"For starters, Iraq is a completely artificial state, consisting of three groups who hate each other."

There is never going to be a Caliphate in the Middle East and Islam sure isn't going to "take over the world." Sooner or later, Islam will be expelled from the West, and I expect it to start in Europe...after all, the whole area were nations of war once, and will be again. Muslims will have no idea what hit them.

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 8:21 AM  

Stage right: The caliphate will behead me; I must submit or die.
Stage left: Socialist pukes in Ferguson want free shit or they will riot and maybe kill me.

I need another gun.

Anonymous zen0 August 20, 2014 8:31 AM  

@ Bob Wallace

There is never going to be a Caliphate in the Middle East

Ever hear of the Ottoman Caliphate?

Anonymous p-dawg August 20, 2014 8:31 AM  

What I can't stand is the mis-assignment of blame. The US didn't kill him, they did. They had the power to choose whether to let him go or kill him, and they made a conscious choice to kill him.

Blogger Glen Filthie August 20, 2014 8:32 AM  

The rise of the caliphate is a no-brainer, Vox. Anyone with a triple digit IQ saw this coming (which of course, leaves the Buckwheat Administration and the low information voters out).

As the resident moral authority and neocon I will predict this too - we will be going back to that moslem chit hole again. And we will keep doing so as long as leftists have a say in military affairs, and refuse to let us finish the job once and for all.

Of course to settle this would be easy. We could do it tomorrow: bomb the jihadis into submission. Secure their neighbourhoods and kill enough moslems to secure their good behaviour. Most do not know what that means, so let me spell it out: if they do a suicide bomb that kills a couple soldiers - we flatten an entire NEIGHBOURHOOD in reprisal. Men, women, children - with no hand wringing, no moralizing, no tearful speeches - only the promise of more if they continue to misbehave.Those ignorant mud flaps have to see enough of their people killed that they will fear for the survival of their species. Drones? Get 'em in the air! If you see a terrorist holed up in a kindergarten - flatten it. If you even THINK that he MIGHT be there...flatten it. Human shields, rag head? Sure! You are beheading toddlers anyways, why should we feel any guilt as we waste your feral children? Get your ugly women up there too! Feel free to join them yourself! Hellfires and daisy cutters for all!

Like all bullies these men are cowards and chickenshits inside. That's why they wear masks and adopt the strategies they do. Underneath that they are just ignorant, stupid fig farming goat feltchers and that's IT. When people see that - the day of the Caliphate is over...and they will.

Unfortunately jihadis are more than a match for our own liberals here at home, who are craven inside AND outside and make no bones about it!

If they want to behead our journalists I am just peachy with it - those a-holes in the MSM don't know who their friends are or which side they're on. Maybe this will help a bit.

Anonymous Stg58/Animal Mother August 20, 2014 8:41 AM  

All of them Muslims over there need a good old fashioned oilfield fucking.

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 8:50 AM  

And a number of other words indicting they looked down on the society that produced this horror show as primitive and inferior. That of course being the problem. They can't let themselves even think that. Primitive, yes but I can't say it's inferior.

The problem is that, in certain circles, "primitive" is positive, and even superior to our modern Western civilization and culture. Jared Diamond has a large, and largely ignorant, following. Let's go back to living in tipis, that'll fix us. The simple life of the savage shows us the way. The ISIS barbarians are just trying to live the way they see fit, and don't you know, we started this mess(*) by invading in the first place!

(* I'm not wholly unsympathetic to this view, I can understand people being pissed at a bigger power coming in trying to tell them how to live, but ISIS is a different ball of wax, murdering innocents in the name of Islam is their mission, using American presence as the reason is just pretense)

I am not kidding you when I tell you that the other day I heard a dumbf*ck white liberal divorcee say that she was sorry the Christians in Iraq were being killed, but the muzzies were just asserting their right to RECLAIM their lands from Christian settlers. DAFUQ?!

Really, I need to quit the gym. I might have to cozy up to the idea of working out with headphones on.

Anonymous Big Bill August 20, 2014 8:54 AM  

How gutless he was. How dishonored. He should have died like a man. Instead, he died whining that his brother killed him.

His mother told him not to go. His father, too, I expect. They prayed for his survival and lay awake at night worrying about him.

But he did not listen. He enjoyed his thrill-seeking, death-defying life. Got a lot of women, too, I'll bet.

And when all his bad decisions caught up to him ... he blames his brother.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 20, 2014 8:55 AM  

"come back to Rome, or die."

No thanks. I don't care to join the pagan Whore of Babylon.

Christ has already condemned you in his words to John the Revelator.
The Temple Veil was torn, Christ is now our priest and intercessor, not some buggerer of little boys or Mary.

Anonymous Big Bill August 20, 2014 8:57 AM  

"Caliph" just means "successor" or "heir" (as in the rightful successor or heir to Mohammed). It is not a special form of government. It means a person who is entitled to rule all Muslims everywhere.

Anonymous Michael August 20, 2014 8:59 AM  

The rebels with form ISIS, including individuals with ties to al-Qaeda, come primarily from Saudi Arabia and received funding and support by the US government and our complicit media which labeled them "freedom fighters" while they were actively butchering Christians in Syria. Heck, Sen. McCain went over to meet with his ISIS buddies. Not surprisingly, the state of Israel expressed their support for them as well. What does that tell you?

Hopefully you understand who stands to benefit from the constant threat of terrorism.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 20, 2014 9:03 AM  

The anti-Christ and Whore of Babylon are NOT Rome, but Turkey.... The Catholic-haters need to wake up, do some reasearch for themselves instead of listening to analyses made by ignorant, old, protestants with an axe to grind with the Catholic Church and with zero knowledge of Islam or Arabic.

Islam is the Anti-Christ religion. Not Catholicism. Fools. The Catholic Church, with all its imperfection, still preaches Christ as Lord and Savior, which negates its being the Anti-Christ, as stated in Revelations.

http://shoebat.com/2014/08/18/antichrist-nation-rome-turkey-get-ready-end-times/

Anonymous Michael August 20, 2014 9:10 AM  

vashine, Ethiopia.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 9:15 AM  

"I need another gun."

Collectors buy guns. Shooters buy ammo.

Anonymous Alexander August 20, 2014 9:15 AM  

The Catholic-haters weren't saying a word until some idiot claimed Protestantism was the moral equivalent of the Caliphate.

The 'fools' are the ones who would start spreading this shit when the enemy to all of us is on the march. Unless you'd like Rome to go the way of Constantinople, in which case hey... have at it.

Anonymous VD August 20, 2014 9:19 AM  

And when all his bad decisions caught up to him ... he blames his brother.

Good point. That is remarkably feeble. Strange that the one show-captive who didn't die like a coward reciting his lines was the Italian man. That was a good death.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 20, 2014 9:25 AM  

the constant threat of terrorism.

The war on terrorism was expanded into the war on terror by simply omitting three letters.
By omitting a fourth I was able to expand the war even further to the war on error.

It has both strategic and tactical advantages.

All Islam is anti-christ so there are no difficult demarcations between peace loving and Jihadi.
Sunni, Shiite, Wahhabi, Salafi - irelevant. They are all anti-Christ.

Similarly - evolution. If one believes rocks start to talk if left alone for long enough; the enemy in every sense of the word to empirical sciences.

There's only One Jesus and neither musselmen nor evolutionists can communicate that One.

If there is any hope for what left of the West it is an 'awakening'. Otherwise Americans of distinction might as well hope Vladimir's subs are all operational and he can turn a slow death into Sodom-Angels-type a mercy killing.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 20, 2014 9:26 AM  

And I say that as a born-again Protestant evangelical.

This will, ultimately have little to do with white women. Remember, women are proto-cultural at best. 99% of them will just follow the crowd, out of fear. Hence you have burka-women who then actually turn around and defend their slave master 'husbands'. A rare few individual women are playing a massive role in standing up against Islam, in spreading the word, but the heavy lifting must come from men... all Christian men, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant.

Women as a whole, even "white" women, will do little to nothing, say nothing. It is not in their hard-wiring to do anything but manage their momentary fears, and their desire to avoid conflict. Even many of those who believe in Christ are struck with silence-inducing fear at the thought of confronting Islam and Muslims as a whole. Or they start arguing for the savages only because they are instinctively seeking conflict-avoidance, and they are not thinking about the long-term bloodshed of the innocent and even the deaths, torture, or rape of their own children and grandchildren. Most just cannot think about the long-term in that manner. Their emotions do not allow for it. It is too emotional, too grand a topic for them to handle. This is why women should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a war council or decision-making about war.

Nothing outside of a deeper faith and understanding of Christ and/or the fierce demands and orders (not asking, not arguing, not pleading, just telling) of the men in their lives to get on the Crusader/Reconquista train or be cut off from the family and community.

That is what it will take for most white women. Real, hard, SOCIAL consequences. Choose our tribe, or another. Choose our tribe, which stands for Christ and all that is good in the world, for Light, or take your chances with the savage musloids or the other darkies and their non-Christian cultures.

White, European and American women need to hear and see real men, Christian men, choosing to marry other women instead of them based on that other woman's understanding not only Christ, but also of the true evil of Islam and Muslims, of our need to wipe out Islam, to help fight a war that may last centuries, and focus on building families and communities that are focused on that one goal, wiping out Islam, in the name of justice, love, peace, and Christ.

Once white, Christian men start doing that, then the women will follow. Only then. If they have to see their own sons getting killed and their daughters sold into slavery, then it will already be too late.

I say this as a man who's sister and brother-in-law (both non-Christians) saw both towers fall on Sep. 11. Neither of them, to this day, have taken the time to really learn about Islam, much less begin to speak out against Muslims and Islam.

Some people won't change, will continue in their willful ignorance, even when they have blood splattered all over their faces. That is the power and depth of pride and sin, aka political correctness. Many of these people are determined to hold onto their beliefs, protect their egos, and will die doing so.

Anonymous Toddy Cat August 20, 2014 9:30 AM  

He died blaming the people who were, however misguidedly, trying to defend him and his country, and absolving the people who actually cut his head off. A true journalist to the last.

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 9:31 AM  

The postmillennialist viewpoint jibes nicely with what I am seeing; from that perspective it is interesting watching you post-mils wring your hands.

My embrace of that eschatological point of view is tentative as I (slowly, feebly, dimly) learn the details of the theology behind them. It does jibe nicely with my optimism ,sense of duty, creative impulse and happiness. While those observations are not based on rigorous reasoning of the Scriptures, they are analogous to trusting the work a wing does without fully understanding the aerodynamics of the thing.

Here is what I see.

The damned are growing damnder and the saved are growing more alive.

Moral clarity is returning; those with the eyes to see and ears to hear see and hear clearly.

I doubt there are many here who--when the time comes--will not draw there swords and slay the bastards with determined ruthlessness.






Blogger T.L. Ciottoli August 20, 2014 9:33 AM  

Catholics who claim that Protestantism is akin to the Caliphate are fools, and grieve Christ. Even under Catholic theology, we are saved, albeit in some sort of inferior form.

Catholics and Protestants who rail against one another are doing Satan's work, and merely helping Islam and Muslims, our true enemy and the true anti-Christ religion.

It is very sad to see the abject ignorance and lack of appreciation on both sides. We have much bigger fish to fry. Wake up.

Anonymous DF August 20, 2014 9:34 AM  

"Like all bullies these men are cowards and chickenshits inside. That's why they wear masks and adopt the strategies they do. Underneath that they are just ignorant, stupid fig farming goat feltchers and that's IT. When people see that - the day of the Caliphate is over...and they will."

You do not understand these people. Perhaps you do not understand people.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 9:38 AM  

Of course to settle this would be easy. We could do it tomorrow: bomb the jihadis into submission. Secure their neighbourhoods and kill enough moslems to secure their good behaviour.

Because we haven't tried doing that over the past decade.

Neocons are the foreign policy Keynesians. No matter how many bombs have been dropped, the solution is to drop even more!

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 20, 2014 9:44 AM  

No Josh, we haven't. We've tried the Wilsonian approach which W was for, the kind, gentle leading approach. The Jacksonian approach taught Germans and Japanese to be peaceful.

Did we burn any cities to ash?

You can argue for isolation and massive retaliation, or offensive realism, or whatever, but Fallulajah is not a smoking hole salted with uranium dust.

Anonymous Ma4soob August 20, 2014 9:49 AM  

@Michael

Looks like McCain has really been busy:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

Blogger Bogey August 20, 2014 9:51 AM  

I don't want to watch the vid but you can describe it to me Bronson.
Some words spoken, scum puts the knife to the victims throat, a few sawing motions, cut before blood starts spilling, dead body lying chest down in dirt, decapitated head on back.

Anonymous FrankNorman August 20, 2014 9:54 AM  

Glen Filthie August 20, 2014 8:32 AM
Of course to settle this would be easy. We could do it tomorrow: bomb the jihadis into submission. Secure their neighbourhoods and kill enough moslems to secure their good behaviour. Most do not know what that means, so let me spell it out: if they do a suicide bomb that kills a couple soldiers - we flatten an entire NEIGHBOURHOOD in reprisal. Men, women, children - with no hand wringing, no moralizing, no tearful speeches - only the promise of more if they continue to misbehave.Those ignorant mud flaps have to see enough of their people killed that they will fear for the survival of their species. Drones? Get 'em in the air! If you see a terrorist holed up in a kindergarten - flatten it. If you even THINK that he MIGHT be there...flatten it. Human shields, rag head? Sure! You are beheading toddlers anyways, why should we feel any guilt as we waste your feral children? Get your ugly women up there too! Feel free to join them yourself! Hellfires and daisy cutters for all!


Are you perchance an Israeli?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 20, 2014 9:54 AM  

Josh, closet thing to total war was a few suburbs of Fallujah from what I understand.
Now a semi total war is being waged in bits of Iraq.

The USA has never waged total war - never.

ISIS would if they could but can't.
\USA can but won't.

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 9:58 AM  

As bad as ISIS, IS, or whatever it now calls itself, indeed is, it doesn't hold a candle to the enervating governance by our "masters" here in the US (and the rest of the West). These neocons and coporocrats who continue in their utopian and avaricious efforts to "invade the world, invite the world" are the real enemy. Poking these barbarians overseas and then bringing them over here to become "Americans" (whatever that means anymore!) is sheer folly! Indeed, these superstars continue to sponsor and place - not only illegals from Latin America - but Muslims from all over into our states and localities. Like it or not, Vox is right; there's going to be a fight. "Hayseed" folks like us in fly-over country are beginning to wake up, and when we do, it won't be pretty!

I'm just curious about what the spark will be that will ignite this bone-dry tender.

Lord, have mercy!

Regards,
David Smith

Anonymous Tizona August 20, 2014 9:59 AM  

> Catholics who claim that Protestantism is akin to the Caliphate are fools, and grieve Christ. Even under Catholic theology, we are saved, albeit in some sort of inferior form.

And so are Muslims. And animists. And most likely, cannibals. So what?

All of the world's present problems can be rooted in the dipshittery of the Protestant Caliphate (i.e., the British Empire.) You pipe-smoking muggles made a mess of things with your desacralized universe. I say, if we're gonna start burning, burn it all.

Anonymous Michael August 20, 2014 10:00 AM  

PhillipGeorge, while extremists are anti-Christ in nature, they're not the anti-Christ, no. When Satan appears, he will at first appear to be a great peacemaker, working signs and wonders. He will suffer an injury to the neck but be cured of it - this is plausible for the evil one is only wearing the flesh.

Ma4sood, excellent find. Thanks. People really need to wake up to the true agenda.

Anonymous Susan August 20, 2014 10:06 AM  

Vox, you left off one of our earlier Presidents as a thrashers of Islam. They may have just been Barbary pirates at that time, but still.
That was why the Marines were created. They chased the buggers all the way back "to the shores of Tripoli". Those battles were also why they are known as leathernecks. They wore leather protection around their necks to protect themselves from hacking by swords.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 20, 2014 10:07 AM  

a. I didn't use the definite article "the"
b. you abuse the word "extremist."/ every lie is extreme untruth.
c. I'm not speculating on "the anti-Christ/ false prophet/ beast relationships - I don't have to.
d. killing people is happening now - on our watch
e. Lenin's useful idiots are eating out the very fabric or society as it was.

Anonymous Sarcophilus August 20, 2014 10:22 AM  

The West is not going to die. Europe belongs to us.
Europeans die, just like every human But who will be around to inherit Europe? Euthanasia is becoming more popular. (It will be the only option for Japan - some death spirals are literal).
Christendom died 100 years ago with WW1. "The West" today is "The Culture of Death". The west may not die, but then it will continue in the unlife of a vampire or zombie.
Eurozombies v.s. The Caliphate?
Ressurection is possible, but only from the ressurected one. Where there's life, there's hope.

Blogger Unknown August 20, 2014 10:27 AM  

"Fighting them over there so we would not have to fight them here was only going to inflame the situation..."

The Muslim conquests starting in 623 do indicate that matters can go in other directions.

Anonymous Porky August 20, 2014 10:45 AM  

What is coming is the Second Reconquista. The West is not going to die. Europe belongs to us.

Bad news for muslims, jews, the unborn, the elderly, the sick, and the mentally retarded.

Good news for politicians, military, cops, bankers, and George Soros.

Anonymous Salt August 20, 2014 10:45 AM  

The USA has never waged total war - never.

Oh, I'm not so sure about that. "Drop that fucker, twice!"

Anonymous Will Best August 20, 2014 10:49 AM  

I don't know, I always felt that American democracy could be practiced in pretty much any culture. In-group property owning males interest tend to align with most oligarchies anyway.

Its the current form of mob rule that doesn't have a chance in areas of the world that have a far better understanding of their plebs than we do of ours.

Anonymous buzzcut August 20, 2014 11:04 AM  

By my count, it should be about 4 more days before the gummint media sweeps this under the rug by dangling something shiny in front of the American sheeple, just like what happened with that commercial airliner that got shot down over the Ukra - hey look! Kim Kardashian's ass!

Anonymous Good Catholic August 20, 2014 11:09 AM  

And so are Muslims. And animists. And most likely, cannibals. So what?

All of the world's present problems can be rooted in the dipshittery of the Protestant Caliphate (i.e., the British Empire.) You pipe-smoking muggles made a mess of things with your desacralized universe. I say, if we're gonna start burning, burn it all.


Now put down your Bibles, buy your indulgences, embrace your Mohammedan and pagan brothers, and accept Mary in your hearts as your queen and saviour--or else we will kill you like the disgusting, filthy animals you are and burn your pigsties to the ground.

Jesus loves you! <3

Anonymous Alexander August 20, 2014 11:19 AM  

Porky, is there anything that you actually do support?

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 11:39 AM  

Remember, remember, the fifth of November . . . and whose effigy we really burn.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 11:41 AM  

No Josh, we haven't. We've tried the Wilsonian approach which W was for, the kind, gentle leading approach. The Jacksonian approach taught Germans and Japanese to be peaceful.

Did we burn any cities to ash?

You can argue for isolation and massive retaliation, or offensive realism, or whatever, but Fallulajah is not a smoking hole salted with uranium dust.


If you actually bother to read about the ww2 air war, bombing cities into submission never worked. It didn't work when the Germans tried it against London and Stalingrad, it didn't work when the Brits tried it against Dresden, and it didn't work when the Americans tried it against Tokyo.

And it's not working in Gaza right now.

Speaking of Fallujah, at one point we had destroyed two thirds of the city and reduced the population to 10% of pre war.

Anonymous VD August 20, 2014 11:41 AM  

I doubt there are many here who--when the time comes--will not draw there swords and slay the bastards with determined ruthlessness.

And I doubt too many are very worried about the supposedly fearsome power of the State thanks to Ferguson and other notable examples of fecklessness.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 11:45 AM  

The USA has never waged total war - never.

ISIS would if they could but can't.
\USA can but won't.


WW2 was total war. Obama's drone campaigns do not discriminate between combatants and civilians.

The justification for total war is the same justification used by terrorists. Look at what Israelis are saying about Gaza. Look at what Hamas is saying about Israel. Both sides have decided that there is no difference between military and civilian targets.

When you start waging total war, not only do you increase the number of militants fighting against you, you also open up your civilians to reprisal.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 11:55 AM  

When we quit shooting looters in the 60's we lost the war against lawlessness. Looters should be shot on site. Arsonists should be shot on site. Anyone holding a molotov wearing a mask should be shot on site. That's what the snipers should have done.

You want to protest fine. It's even protected by our constitution. You want to burn down a building or loot you should get a bullet through your brisket.

Anonymous Porky August 20, 2014 12:00 PM  

Porky, is there anything that you actually do support?

Yes. I just don't support petty, nebulous banderoles like "The West".

Especially when "The West" consistently occupies the corrupt low moral ground on so many fronts.

Blogger Glen Filthie August 20, 2014 12:04 PM  

You're full of chit, Josh.

You need to look at what Israel and America CAN do...vs what they have actually done.

The restraint we are showing with these mud hut morons is being seen as WEAKNESS. Their culture is based on strength and deceit and if they see weakness they will move to exploit it.

General Pershing knew how to handle moslem guerillas and terrorists. He once rounded up 50 of them, and killed 49 without a second thought. He buried their remains with those of pigs and left one alive to take the warning back to the others.

THAT is how you deal with those feral mutts. You don't engage in 'police actions' or try to win their hearts and minds - because those monkeys don't have them as we in the west understand them. It's like trying to contain the rattle snake in your back yard under a bucket - it's stupid. You kill the damn snake and be done with it.

So no, boys, we haven't made war on these ass hats. We haven't even come close. Until we DO wage a proper war to defeat those curs, they will keep coming back to torment us. These animals have to be defeated the same way the Japanese were - no negotiations, no conditions. The moslem needs to make a choice between surrendering or dying - the same way he did when he adopted that filthy religion. Nothing less will work.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 12:06 PM  

And we have the choice of being Jan Sobieski or Don John of Austria or we can be the guys who baled on Christianity and stood aside when the Caliphate came marching.

We can stand with each other as Christians. So I choose to stand with fellow Christians whatever denomination and against the rising tide of Islam.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 12:08 PM  

You need to look at what Israel and America CAN do...vs what they have actually done....
So no, boys, we haven't made war on these ass hats.


Do you realize that you sound just like Paul Krugman arguing that the stimulus didn't work because it wasn't big enough?

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 12:13 PM  

If you actually bother to read about the ww2 air war, bombing cities into submission never worked.

It worked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 12:20 PM  

"The West must fight them here so it can leave them alone there. Islam has no place in the West. It must be driven out again, just as it was driven out of Spain and Austria centuries ago."

I can't believe how full of it you are.

Those were military invasions, i.e. done against the will of the country being invaded. Muzzies immigrating to western countries do so WITH the permission of the government of those countries.

Yes, despite your cute appeal to ridicule, if "invaders" have no swords/rifles THEY AREN'T INVADERS.

If your wife withdraws your money from the bank and distrbutes it to strangers, did they rob you? Rhetorical.

What is also ridiculous is the pretense that ISIS is even remotely supported by the Islamic world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "taqiyya" (seriously, just stop, it makes you look like an ignorant jackass). I never denied that muslims are more violent, more extremist etc But in no way or shape are the punks from ISIS representative of the average muzzie. The fact that they don't risk their lives to protect Christians there is a sign or them being cousin marrying tribal people that give far more of a shit about their own family than people who aren't their family. (this includes other muzzies - just ask Kratman about it) In other words they don't suffer from pathological altruism. I dunno, maybe you ought to copy that. At least Britain would still be a world power.

"The nations of the West will eventually decide it is necessary to ban Islam again"

How libertarian! You mock the 19th century US governments for letting in absolutist peasants and serfs and yet you propose policies that would make the west just as absolutist. Oh I know, muzzies are absolutist too, even more so, but the answer to that is DON'T PERMIT THEM ENTRY, not to transform into 16th century Europe.

Just out of curiosity though, how many of the Islam world you think agree with ISIS?

Anonymous Samuel Scott August 20, 2014 12:23 PM  

Look at what Hamas is saying about Israel. Both sides have decided that there is no difference between military and civilian targets.

No, no, nyet, lo, la, nein, and more.

Hamas intentionally fires rockets towards civilians cities. Here in Tel Aviv, I've heard about five explosions in the past hour. I can see the interceptions in the sky from my roof.

(If anyone wants to see a picture, here's one on my Facebook, it's public: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1453659111569261&set=a.1386192628315910.1073741830.100007755583585&type=1&permPage=1)

Israel does not intentionally fire at civilians with the goalof killing civilians. (Hamas does both.) Israel makes phone calls and tells people to leave before an attack, they drop leaflets, and a lot more. Israel does not want to kill civilians first because it's wrong and second because it makes Israel look bad.

Civilians in Gaza die because Hamas fires from and stores weapons in homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, and more -- inviting an Israeli response that will make Israel look bad on TV.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 12:24 PM  

It worked in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Japan had already approached the USA about a surrender before the atomic bombs were dropped.

Almost every notable American commander thought they were militarily unnecessary.

Anonymous Anonymous August 20, 2014 12:24 PM  

VD wrote: "And I doubt too many are very worried about the supposedly fearsome power of the State thanks to Ferguson and other notable examples of fecklessness."

While it's never a good policy to underestimate your (potential) enemy, I think Vox makes it clear that it's possible to overestimate him as well, to your hurt!

The reminder is both needed and appreciated!

Regards,
David Smith

Blogger Dark Herald August 20, 2014 12:25 PM  

Good point. That is remarkably feeble. Strange that the one show-captive who didn't die like a coward reciting his lines was the Italian man. That was a good death.

I quite agree. I am rather surprised the jihadis let that one get out..

Spitting and cursing to your last breath is the one thing that might and I mean just barely might, get you out that situation.

You are of no constructive use as propaganda at that point but might still be useful as a living hostage.

If nothing else you've joined Horatius the captain of the gate, in the battle for your civilization. There are worse ways to go.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 12:25 PM  

You gotta love how shameless filth like Filthy is: his countries have slaughtered far more muzzies than vice versa in the last decades, but apprently, it is the MIDDLE EAST that has it coming to get carpet bombed, especially kindergardens.

It seems like slaughter of the innocents is cool is a western person does it. :)

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Blogger Danby August 20, 2014 12:29 PM  

@Timmehhhhhh
"Just out of curiosity though, how many of the Islam world you think agree with ISIS?"

And just how much does that matter? When's the last time any "peaceful, rational" Moslem, anywhere, stood up against one of these murderous goat-sodomizing tribal pigs who claim to speak in the name of the "prophet" (may he continue burning in hell)?

So far the only resistance they have faced has been from the Baathists and the Kurds

Blogger Nate August 20, 2014 12:33 PM  

"You gotta love how shameless filth like Filthy is: his countries have slaughtered far more muzzies than vice versa in the last decades, but apprently, it is the MIDDLE EAST that has it coming to get carpet bombed, especially kindergardens."

Yes.

Because you're like dogs. You learn from brutality and only brutality. You respect brutality and only brutality. We have mistakenly tried to treat you like men. We should rectify that by giving you want you respect.

You're blithering idiots. You had won. You morons had won and it wasn't good enough. You had America where you wanted it. The American people were sick of war and wanted the troops brought home.

But you got cocky. and you pushed it. Because you always push it.

And now...suddenly the American public isn't sick of war anymore. Now... it wants blood.

Well done.

Pray son. Because Desert Storm 2.0 may be coming... and not gentle like it was back in 1991... but bad.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 12:38 PM  

"These animals have to be defeated the same way the Japanese were - no negotiations, no conditions."

The right and the wrong of it can be debated, and certainly will be, but what actually happened is essentially this:

1. Japan sued for peace, but under the provision that they would be allowed to keep their Emperor.
2. We refused their suit, insisting that their surrender be unconditional and nuked two of their cities to show that we were serious about it.
3. They surrendered without condition.
4. Under the terms of surrender that we dictated - we allowed them to keep their Emperor.

And that is how hearts and minds are won, magnanimity from a position of power.

Anonymous Don August 20, 2014 12:46 PM  

Josh - Spending your way out of a depression is not like fighting your way out of a war. You can apply enough force to win. Unfortunately we have an unlimited money creation econ policy and a limited war policy.

Anonymous Porky August 20, 2014 12:49 PM  

Pray son. Because Desert Storm 2.0 may be coming... and not gentle like it was back in 1991... but bad.

Yeah, Tad. Don't piss us off or we will stop funding NASA's Muslim Outreach Program!!

Anonymous Eric Ashley August 20, 2014 12:52 PM  

Josh,
Supposedly Hitler tried about seven different strategies to take down Britain, and if he'd just stuck to one of them he would have succeeded.

Violence only breeds more militants.....this is leftist claptrap, and not very deep thinking. As Macchiavelli said...do no one a small injury.
The response to violence changes as per the level of the violence. Otherwise,soldiers on a battlefield would never rout.

I'm not saying that a Jacksonian/Glen style of war would be a good idea. I am saying that this is not what W did. W was a Wilsonian. Can you not see the difference between 'Don't shoot at g uys who shoot at you from mosques' and 'set the air on fire.'?

Tommy, the West practises decisive battle (except for our Wilsonians). We're not interested in harassing strikes every other week for the rest of time.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 12:53 PM  

"Israel does not intentionally fire at civilians with the goalof killing civilians."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzlh9kN4HI 25:45 - 29:15

"In 2009, an Israeli Rabbi published King's Torah - a controversial book that was described as a manual prividing religious justifications and guidelines for killing non-Jews. Leading Israeli Rabbis held a conference to defend the author from public backlash.

An article by the Israeli newspaper Maariv provides an overview of the book: "In a chapter entitled 'Deliberate harm to innocents,' the book explains that war is directly mainly against the pursuers vut those who belong to the enemy nation are also considered the enemy because they are assisting murderers."

A chilling quote from the book states: "There's justification for killing babies if it is clear they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation, they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults."

"If a heathen smites a Jew, he is worthy of death...He who smites an Israelite on the jaw, is as though he had thus assaulted the Divine Presence." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 58b)

"A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death [...] he is guilty as one who violates a betrothed maiden, who is stoned." (Talmud, Folio 59a)

"If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killedas is the case with a beast, because through her, a Jew got into trouble." (Talmudic Encyclopedia)

You read that right: if a Jew rapes a child, the CHILD needs to die, because something something beast. Think about that before you speak how barbaric Islam is and the "Pedo Prophet": 9>>>3.

A booklet published by the Central Region Command of the Israeli Army stated: "When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed [...] Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized [...] In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good."

You were saying?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 1:14 PM  

"And just how much does that matter?"

Uh, really? How much does it matter that the people you propose to exterminate or decimate are not the people that have done you harm? Hmmmmm....difficult.

"When's the last time any "peaceful, rational" Moslem, anywhere, stood up against one of these murderous goat-sodomizing tribal pigs who claim to speak in the name of the "prophet" (may he continue burning in hell)?"

The reason why they don't fight ISIS is because fighting carries the risk of death. Kratman mentioned before that Arab armies suck because the extended family is everything there. If they don't even sacrifice themselves for their conationals/fellow muslims why exactly would they sacrifice themselves for christians?

So failure to take up arms against an organization = complicity and association?

By that rationale, you also deserve death as you also don't fight ISIS.

(btw, when you say Muslims don't fight ISIS and then mention 2 groups that fight them, it makes you seem stupid)

Anonymous Discard August 20, 2014 1:18 PM  

Susan: The United States Marine Corps was established by the Continental Congress on November 10, 1775 to fight the British, not the Barbary pirates.

Blogger Nate August 20, 2014 1:20 PM  

"Yeah, Tad. Don't piss us off or we will stop funding NASA's Muslim Outreach Program!!"

Well there is a reason I said "may". Because Obama is a huge pussy and he'll probably decide that the thing to do to solve this is to have a beer with the ISIS leaders.

Of course... there is an election coming up... and if someone takes a hardass hawk position on this and immigration... they could win... and if they win... then Desert Storm 2.0 is a real possibility.

Anonymous Samuel Scott August 20, 2014 1:24 PM  

Tommy Hass,

"Israel does not intentionally fire at civilians with the goalof killing civilians."

"In 2009, an Israeli Rabbi published King's Torah - a controversial book that was described as a manual prividing religious justifications and guidelines for killing non-Jews. Leading Israeli Rabbis held a conference to defend the author from public backlash.


Oy. This is why people should refrain from commenting on things about which they know little. I'm sure you know nothing about the context of this rabbi and his book.

First, there is no central authority in Judaism. There are probably 10,000 rabbis in the world that all have 10,000 different opinions. There are rabbis on the far left, left, middle, right, and far right. (I'm sure the same is true for pastors and priests in Christianity.) Just because "a rabbi" says or writes something means little to anyone outside of his "followers" or the members of his synagogue.

Second, as I often have to repeat myself, the Talmud is not "Holy Writ" as how many Christians view the Christian Bible. You cannot take a single quote from the Talmud and say, "Ha! Here's what Judaism teaches!" The Talmud is largely a collection of debates on numerous topics. Give me one quote from a rabbi in the Talmud that says X, and I can find another quote in the Talmud from another rabbi that says the opposite of X.

Third, the rabbi you quote is in no way representative of Judaism or even Orthodox Judaism in Israel. He's a fringe guy on the far right who was questioned by police for threatening to attack Arabs in the West Bank (but released for lack of evidence). He and his book are not credible in Israel.

Fourth, the guy in your YouTube video is not credible. He presents himself as someone who presents the objective facts, but he intentionally uses loaded language and adjectives that reveal his true feelings. Also, most of his sources (assuming he is quoting them accurately) are outlets like Ha'Aretz, which is liberal at best and anti-Israel at worst. The newspaper's editor has publicly admitted to distorting the news to support his opinions.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 1:25 PM  

Hey Nate, potential descendant of women that my ancestors....knew: do you know how stupid you look to refer to me as YOU (as if I was in cahoots with those Dothraki) when I want Turkey to till these motherfuckers? Unlike your ancestors, we are not a small country with a negligible military. The problem is that the USA really helped that Erdogan guy into power and armed ISIS in a joint operation to topple Assad. Another leader might be more willing to exterminate these turds. And unlike you we would be seen as infidel invaders. In fact, we actually ruled there for a long time.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 1:32 PM  

@Samuel Scott

dat Damage Control. :D

NOW where have I heard those arguments before....almost reminds you of muzzies that want to defend Islam, doesn't it.

Even if all you said was true, the booklet of the IDF that proposes murdering civilians isn't a debatable position. It's a government source. So no.

Anonymous Josh August 20, 2014 1:33 PM  

potential descendant of women that my ancestors....knew

Okay, that was funny

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic August 20, 2014 1:37 PM  

Nate is right. And much as I disagree with him on policy, so is Glen Filthie.

The US left Iraq; the US wouldn't touch Syria. But the Arabs just cannot get their shit together. They are corrupt, greedy, high time-preference people. And they absolutely HATE each other--crucifying, beheading their own countrymen. We're going to have an entente with that?

I'm thinking this will only end after they've killed off so many of their own that the survivors just quit fighting. Then we recolonize the place.

Anonymous Samuel Scott August 20, 2014 1:37 PM  

Tommy,

Even if all you said was true, the booklet of the IDF that proposes murdering civilians isn't a debatable position. It's a government source. So no.

Give me a link to a credible source for that. (As in, not that YouTube guy.)

Hey, are you in Turkey or something? I don't remember your background. If so, please tell people not to send another BS flotilla as may be occurring soon. It won't work out well for anyone involved on either side.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum August 20, 2014 1:39 PM  

Luke 23:29.

Jesus was predicting the fall of Jerusalem in that passage. Prophets don't really see/know the future, only Almighty God does. What prophets do see is the present more clearly than anyone else around them.

Jesus was effectively telling the people of Jerusalem: Remember what the Romans did after the fall of Carthage? What about what the Romans did after the fall of Corinth? What did the Romans do to the Spartacus Rebels? or even "Look at what the Romans are doing to me! What makes you think that you will get a pass on Roman Justice? What do you think they'll do to Jerusalem if you guys push the Romans too far?"

In AD 69, Jesus was proven correct.

Likewise, I'm sad to say it, if they continue on their current path, muslims around the globe are going to have to learn history the hard way.

What did America do to Hamburg, Germany? Berlin, Germany? Tokyo, Japan? Hiroshima? Nagasaki?

I fear that (satan-inspired) ISIS thinks they'll get a pass from the rest of humanity for their brutality.

If ISIS, or some other muslim group pushes America too far, say detonates a dirty bomb, or a full nuclear bomb, in a major American city, not just a bomb at a Marathon, or worse, takes a school hostage like Beslan, cities with the names of Mecca, and Medina might be added to that list.

Blogger Nate August 20, 2014 1:44 PM  

"In fact, we actually ruled there for a long time."

Not interested in ruling it. My foreign policy would be to wreck it to the point where the wasn't anything left to rule.

Then leave.

Anonymous Your Friendly ISIS Representative August 20, 2014 1:45 PM  

have a beer with the ISIS leaders.

Nah. Drinking is forbidden.

Got any daughters?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 1:50 PM  

http://books.google.de/books?id=avh6dkSop0EC&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=central+region+command+israeli+army+civilians&source=bl&ots=Lw7aczlk0t&sig=hoeb-Tpk096uwDx6TENSreYWBKc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Y9_0U_zaEMvfPYm1gZAB&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=central%20region%20command%20israeli%20army%20civilians&f=false

There you go.

Anonymous Joseph Dooley August 20, 2014 1:59 PM  

Interesting thing about the Reconquista: The struggle sharpened the Spanish sense of Christian purpose and nationality that they dominated Europe and the Atlantic for the next 300 years, starting with commissioning Columbus to sail west to the East.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 2:03 PM  

Out of curiosity: what is the most devoutly Christian country in a historical sense?

Spain could be it, but it is possible that they just really liked fighting and killing (like the Turks). Seem more like a natural warrior people to me with all the hidalgos.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 2:18 PM  

"Fight them over here." - Constantine XI

Blogger VFM #7634 August 20, 2014 2:18 PM  

The US left Iraq; the US wouldn't touch Syria. But the Arabs just cannot get their shit together. They are corrupt, greedy, high time-preference people. And they absolutely HATE each other--crucifying, beheading their own countrymen. We're going to have an entente with that?

I'm thinking this will only end after they've killed off so many of their own that the survivors just quit fighting. Then we recolonize the place.


I'm all for marking the Middle East and Africa "Here Be Dragons," deporting their diaspora back to those areas, and forbidding any Westerner from ever going there.

Blogger Simon Jester August 20, 2014 2:24 PM  

I am a little surprised at the collective amnesia surrounding the death of Daniel Pearl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

THAT was the wake up call for Western Hive Mind Journalists, except it wasn't once the progressive need to warp the narrative was invoked.

The point being of course that the attack on the pillars of western society has been at the forefront of our war with Fundamentalist Islam for at least a decade.

Interestingly, no one is making the connection between journalist repression in islamo-fascist states and Ferguson.

Anonymous Noah B. August 20, 2014 2:30 PM  

"THAT was the wake up call for Western Hive Mind Journalists, except it wasn't once the progressive need to warp the narrative was invoked."

But that only happened because Bush was president, which made the world hate us. Obama is president now and has apologized for America. Things are completely different now.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 20, 2014 2:59 PM  

The USA has never waged total war - never.

Yes we have. In Mindanao. They still remember it today.

Blogger Danby August 20, 2014 3:26 PM  

@Credo
"I fear that (satan-inspired) ISIS thinks they'll get a pass from the rest of humanity for their brutality."

I would disagree. They obviously think God is on their side, and not only condones, but demands this behavior. Little they know. For a people who have such long memory of grievance, they have forgotten. Forgotten the greatest moment of battle in History, Jan Sobieski coming to the relief of Vienna. Forgotten Roland, Thermopylae, Lepanto, Roarke's Drift. Even our defeats are great and a sign of wonder, the Easter Rebellion, the Alamo, Wake, Constantinople. I don't know when it will happen, but they will wake the giant, Fey and terrible.

On that day, as on on the Fields of Pellenor

Arise,arise, Riders of Theoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

With that he seized a great horn from Guthlaf his banner-bearer and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all horns in the host were lifted up in music, and th blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.

Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Eomer roder there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first eored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Theoden could not be outpaced. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Orome the Great in the bttle of the Valar when the world was young. HIs golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green abou the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and the sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.


Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 3:30 PM  

Taking Istanbul >>> A Polak ambushing Turks who were busy with Austrians. For that matter, the Battle of Manzikert as well.

Blogger Danby August 20, 2014 3:49 PM  

Besieging a city and bleeding it dry over the course of decades << Riding down the enemy, one on the verge of victory, who outnumbers you 2/1, breaking his will and driving him screaming and routed from the field, driving him back to the shithole he made of one of the world's great cities.
It was not an ambush. It was a full-on cavalry charge into fortified positions. Unless you think that the Turks were somehow traveling while besieging Vienna.

And Sobieski was Lithuanian, not Polish.

Istanbul is an illiterate Turkic corruption of the city's name. At the time, it was still Constantiopolis.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 3:58 PM  

Interesting.

I know you are too full of hate to understand this but Constantinopolis, as you call it, has never been a shithole since we took it.

With ambush I meant it was an attack on an enemy preoccupied with something else.

And the Capture of Constantinople was one of the greatest instances of ingenuity and determination ever. Pulling ships over land by using logs.

Furthermore, you yourself admitted that even your defeats are grand. I could say the same thing. LOL.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 20, 2014 4:01 PM  

Again, out of curiosity, what do you think makes you superior to us? Is it genetics? The religion? (if yes, elaborate) Some say it's fatalism, but I dunno: Christians were fatalists as well.

Or do you think it was because God was on your side? (in that case, why hasn't he returned Istanbul to you)

Blogger Danby August 20, 2014 4:21 PM  

What on Earth makes you think that I believe us superior to you? Myself, yes, but I'm superior to most people. A central tenen\t of Christianity is that people are all beloved of God, and of equal moral worth.

What I am saying is that when the ethnic Europeans march, very few can stand against us. Mongols, certainly, and Turks. But do not confuse forbearance with weakness. That can be a fatal mistake. It's not really fatalism. it's hate on a level that few other cultures can really understand. "From Hells' heart I stab at Thee."

And yes, God has been on our side, but given how we as a a people have rejected Him, I have no confidence He will do so in the future. I know He's not on your side, so that's a wash..

Blogger Akulkis August 20, 2014 5:11 PM  

He's also been sodomized on a daily basis by all comers. His brutalization, combined with his execution training doesn't usually meet with much resistance.

Source or relegated to pure speculation.


It's SOP in that region.

Blogger Akulkis August 20, 2014 5:14 PM  

We should also start building the nuclear power plants so we can power electric cars and stop buying Arab oil. Oil money has completely distorted that region. People who were living in tents a century ago suddenly become billionaires.

Doing that would require a LOT of copper. We can't just hook up a bunch of new power plants to the grid and let consumption rise proportionately -- we'll literally melt the power lines. They're already carrying 98%-99% of their capacity.

Blogger Danby August 20, 2014 5:27 PM  

@Akulkis,
Most high voltage transmission lines are made from aluminum, which is quite plentiful and cheap relative to copper.

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Blogger Baloo August 20, 2014 6:00 PM  

I made a quibcag out of part of this, and reposted the rest, here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2014/08/vox-day-on-where-to-fight-islam.html

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2014 6:21 PM  

"Doing that would require a LOT of copper."

In the cars themselves, as well as a shit ton of battery fixin's.

There is also the issue that the main reason, geopolitically speaking, for controlling the oil has nothing to do with the domestic civilian market.

And I might also point out, so I shall, that obtaining the oil resources of the Middle East maximally depletes theirs, while maximally retaining our own, which further enhances the geopolitical reasons for wanting to control it, even if we don't need it.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 20, 2014 8:10 PM  

Eric, I was thinking more in the sense of the Roman concept of it.

To decimate. Randomly count off and kill one in ten.
Destroy all crops, livestock and buildings.
Sell everyone remaining alive into slavery/ men women and children.
Take children and turn them to fight against their remaining ethnic group.

Either that or the sense of leave nothing alive. No man woman child livestock animal, nothing with the breath of life in that place.

USA - haven't fought total war/ though admittedly that could change.

Anonymous Sarcophilus August 20, 2014 9:16 PM  

@Good Catholic
Our Lady of Fatima

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 21, 2014 3:50 AM  

Phillip,

From the wiki page:

American operations into the countryside often included scorched earth campaigns[85] in which entire villages were destroyed; the use of torture including the water cure;[99] and the concentration of civilians into "protected zones".[100] In November 1901, the Manila correspondent of the Philadelphia Ledger wrote: "The present war is no bloodless, opera bouffe engagement; our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people from lads of ten up, the idea prevailing that the Filipino as such was little better than a dog....

The Romans would have been proud.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 22, 2014 10:30 AM  

They'd have called us limp wristed, bleeding heart amateurs.

Might be on point to quote where that quote came from, to wit, one H. Zinn. Jesus, there's some objectiviety for you, where objectivity is defined as cherry picking. Did he note, for example, that we relieved and court-martialled Jacob Smith over his orders to the men? Did you note it? Or that the PI was too weak to avoid being ruled by somebody, and our hand was lighter than, say, Japan's?

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