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Sunday, August 17, 2014

John Scalzi is one strange little man

This was the reaction of last year's Best Novel winner to the fact that someone he totally ignores and doesn't care about at all didn't happen to win a Hugo Award for a novelette.
John Scalzi @scalzi
I'm not going to lie. I'm going to be THRILLED to snarkread the whiny "I didn't want it anyway" nonsense that will squirt forth tomorrow.

John Scalzi @scalzi
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE HUGO SLATE A REFERENDUM ON THE FUTURE OF SCIENCE FICTION (loses) THE HUGOS DON'T MATTER ANYWAY

John Scalzi @scalzi 
SHUT UP I AM NOT CRYING IT'S THAT LITTLE FLECKS OF GUNPOWDER FELL INTO MY EYEBALLS SOMEONE GET ME A FLAMING SWORD SO I CAN FLICK THEM OUT

John Scalzi @scalzi 
WHO IS CALLING ME PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE I AM ALL AGGRESSIVE DON'T YOU SEE THIS HUGE GUN I HAVE WITH ME AT ALL TIMES (breaks down, sobbing)

John Scalzi @scalzi
AND NOW I WILL IGNORE THE HUGOS AGAIN UNTIL NEXT YEAR WHEN MY FEELINGS OF PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE INADEQUACY ANGRILY WELL UP ONCE MORE

John Scalzi @scalzi
I'VE LEARNED MY LESSON AND MY LESSON IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PATENT RACIST SHITBAGGERY ON OUR SLATE WHAT THAT WAS GOOD WRITING MAN

John Scalzi @scalzi
ITS PROOF THAT ALL THE FEMINISTS NEED TO DO TO WIN AWARDS IS WRITE BETTER STORIES ACCORDING TO THE JUDGEMENT OF THE FANS SHEEESH

John Scalzi @scalzi
I NEVER WANTED THE AWARD THAT'S WHY I'VE WHINED LIKE A KICKED DOG ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS RUNNING.
And then, for some unknown reason, he posted a picture of an orc. I'm not exactly sure what that had to do with anything, but there you go. Anyhow, here's the interesting thing about the nominations for the 2014 awards. The nominating votes for the supposed "bloc voters":

Larry Correia 184
Toni Weisskopf 169
Brad Torgersen: 111
Dan Wells 106
Brad Torgersen 92
Vox Day 69
Sarah Hoyt 38

Clearly we operate in perfect unthinking lockstep. Here are the nominating votes for those who vocally opposed the "bloc voters"

Charles Stross: 120
Charles Stross: 127
Mary Kowal: 118

Pure coincidence or psychological projection?

UPDATE: And McRapey keeps digging deeper:
You’ve seen me snark about it, I’m sure, but now that the voting is over, what did I really think of the “sad puppy” slate of nominees championed by Larry Correia and others? What I thought at the beginning, which was: The folks pushing the slate played within the rules, so game on, and the game is to convince people that the work deserves the Hugo. It does not appear the voters were convinced. As a multiple Hugo loser myself, I can say: That’s the breaks, and better luck another year.

With that said, Correia was foolish to put his own personal capital as a successful and best selling novelist into championing Vox Day and his novelette, because Vox Day is a real bigoted shithole of a human being, and his novelette was, to put it charitably, not good (less charitably: It was like Gene Wolfe strained through a thick and rancid cheesecloth of stupid). Doing that changed the argument from something perfectly legitimate, if debatable — that conservative writers are often ignored for or discounted on award ballots because their personal politics generally conflict with those of the award voters — into a different argument entirely, i.e., fuck you, we got an undeserving bigot shithole on the Hugo ballot, how you like them apples.

Which is a shame. It’s fine for Correia to beclown himself with Day, if such is his joy, and he deserves to reap the fruits of such an association. I suspect, however, there are others whom he championed for his “sad puppy” slate who were less thrilled to find themselves looped in with Day by involuntary association. Likewise, Correia is a good writer and his works are fun to read and easy to enjoy; others he championed are likewise fine writers, and their works deserving of award consideration. He didn’t do his work, or the work of these other writers, any favors by muddling his message with Day’s nonsense.

Now, I understand Correia will be happy to tell you that his Hugo loss doesn’t matter to him, which is fine. I do wonder if he considered how other people that were seen as part of his slate feel the same way, or whether he’d do them or their careers any damage by associating them with a bigoted shithole, or that if he really wanted to make the argument that a particular set of writers are ignored by award voters, that he went about making the argument in just about the worst way possible. Bad strategy, bad tactics, bad result.
I find it amusing that Scalzi keeps acting as if it is junior high, and if only he can separate Larry from me, then HE can become BFFs with Larry. The Left simply never understands the Right. I like and respect Larry. We get along fine. But we don't agree on everything and we don't spend even five seconds each day thinking about the other guy. Scalzi is welcome to his opinion of my writing, Lord knows I don't think much of his either. But it doesn't even cross Scalzi's mind that since Larry is a religious man who has real friends on the basis of friendship rather than their utility for him, Larry might have read the story very differently than he did.

Moreover, keep in mind that this is the same Scalzi who not two weeks ago was openly mocking someone on Twitter for declaring that works of literature can be judged by objective standards. He's not so much inconsistent as incoherent.

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131 Comments:

Anonymous trev006 August 17, 2014 7:18 PM  

Theoretically, you'd be the one posting passive aggressive snark and justifying yourself after losing in a catastrophic fashion.

Anonymous YIH August 17, 2014 7:22 PM  

Did you forget the /sarc tag Vox?
Even for @scalzi that looks too much like parody.
AND WHAT'S WITH THE FARGIN' ALL CAPS!!11!!111!
Surely he knows better.

Anonymous Curlytop August 17, 2014 7:24 PM  

Stole my thunder there, YIH. ;-)

Who but a hyperventilating 12 yr old girl uses predominately ALL CAPS in online text?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 17, 2014 7:26 PM  

When you post Scalzi's twitter rants, I don't know whether to feel disgust or bewilderment.

How does he exist?

How does anyone respect that man?

Anonymous trk August 17, 2014 7:27 PM  

Vox is truly crushed. How are you coping w the stunning defeat Vox?

Anonymous TroperA August 17, 2014 7:27 PM  

Don't you know why he used all caps, Vox? It was to show that HE'S THE CALM, REASONABLE ONE AND YOU'RE THE HYSTERICAL WHINER WHOSE EGO FATE WAS RESTING ON THE RESULTS!!11!! That's what ALL CAPS means, you know....

Anonymous VD August 17, 2014 7:27 PM  

Theoretically, you'd be the one posting passive aggressive snark and justifying yourself after losing in a catastrophic fashion.

Yeah, that sounds like me. In two days, we open our season against a team that scores five goals a game and features a former international. And we're missing four of last season's starters due to injury or retirement. This may not even be my worst loss this week.

Anonymous Nathan August 17, 2014 7:32 PM  

Scalzi, you aren't supposed to have a breakdown when your side "wins."

Also, I don't think Team Pink realizes where the battle was in this fight. It was at the nominations, not the awards themselves. It was always stated to be the nominations. No one at the blue "slate" expected to win the awards, but everyone expected the frothing madness that came from Team Pink. Nothing else exhibits the slow suicide of the genre than by voting overwhelmingly for books I never could find on the shelves in the bookstores.

We need to do this again and be even more clear about proving the bias of the Hugo voters. I can think of no greater condemnation of the genre by future generations than if John C. Wright were nominated but given last place in the awards. (Judge of Ages for Best Novel 2015).

Anonymous VD August 17, 2014 7:33 PM  

How are you coping w the stunning defeat Vox?

Spacebunny is attempting to console me. Assuming that the definition of "console" can be stretched far enough to include "laughing at".

Vox: So they gave out the Hugo things.
SB: Oh, yeah? How'd you do?
Vox: I came in sixth.
SB: That's not so bad.
Vox: Out of five.
SB: (laughs)

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 7:36 PM  

wow... this is some serious Grade A delusion. You never said anywhere that you expected you or larry to win.

I am pleased to see that I was correct about Wheel of Time. I never for a second believed it would win. For all the talk of the legions of WoT fans... you don't actually ever see them anywhere.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 17, 2014 7:44 PM  

Scalzi you silly little manboy.

Anonymous Philalethes August 17, 2014 7:45 PM  

Hint for John Scalzi: The Internet is forever. Do NOT post anything online that you would not want to become part of the oeuvre by which future generations will remember you.

I'm a soft-hearted guy. Watching this is actually painful.

Anonymous Josh August 17, 2014 7:46 PM  

Who but a hyperventilating 12 yr old girl uses predominately ALL CAPS in online text?

Crazy old people on the internet

Blogger SQT August 17, 2014 7:50 PM  

Many others have beat me to it-- but seriously, what is with the all caps crowing that Scalzi has going on there? I'm guessing he was actually concerned that some on his side might defect but we all know that's impossible. They'll most likely never come to their senses.

Compared to Vox's "meh" reaction Scalzi looks like a hysterical woman. And, as a woman, I'd be ashamed to be thought of that way.

Blogger Ghost August 17, 2014 7:50 PM  

Nate,
When has scalzi ever argued against what vox actually said?

Vox, you should hire an interior decorator for his brain, since you occupy so much space in it.

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 7:54 PM  

Does anyone know how many times John Scalzi has been nominated and lost? I really have no idea but I bet its a bunch.

Anonymous Bobo August 17, 2014 7:54 PM  

VD -
Too bad you're stuck with looks, brains, leg speed, and an annoyingly hot wife.
How will you go on?

We'll pray for you during this trying season of life...

Anonymous Daniel August 17, 2014 7:55 PM  

"John Scalzi is a rapist," said John Scalzi on the CBC.

This guy likes two things: rape, himself and rape.

I guess that's one thing. Knowing this makes his tweets make sense.

Anonymous Godfrey August 17, 2014 7:58 PM  

He may not let your name pass through his lips, but you are obviously foremost in his thoughts.

Don`t take it personal, his real anger issues are with his father. However, I do wonder if you are a subconsious father figure to him.

Anonymous Amok Time August 17, 2014 7:59 PM  

John Scalzi @scalzi
WHO IS CALLING ME PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE I AM ALL AGGRESSIVE DON'T YOU SEE THIS HUGE GUN I HAVE WITH ME AT ALL TIMES (breaks down, sobbing)

John Scalzi is a nutjob! Can someone get him committed before he harms himself?
He is such a goober!!

Anonymous Daniel August 17, 2014 8:00 PM  

Does anyone know how many times John Scalzi has been nominated and lost? I really have no idea but I bet its a bunch.

His problem was that OMW wasn't rabbity enough when it was eligible: he was still pretending to be an ex-marine, or the boyfriend of an ex-marine, or something. His first win was for some pro-amateur fanfiction he wrote somewhere, thus becoming the first best-selling science fiction novelist to lobby for and take an amateur award.

I'm going to guess he's been nominated two or three times, tops, for the normal sci-fi category. He finally won with his romance novel.

But cut him some slack: it takes time to get all your rape victims in a row.

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 8:02 PM  

What I see is this:

Scalzi is a petty, petulant child whose self worth is wrapped up his cult of personality among the worldcon idiots, when you and Correia went after the hugos you attacked the entirety of his being (other than his yard)...

You hurt him, so he is lashing out.

Blogger pyrrhus August 17, 2014 8:04 PM  

As they say in Hollywood, you can't fix crazy.

Anonymous VD August 17, 2014 8:07 PM  

when you and Correia went after the hugos you attacked the entirety of his being (other than his yard)...

First we exposed his pretensions about his blog, then we exposed his pretensions about his award... what's next?

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 8:11 PM  

What the Hell is all of that drivel? If Scalzi didn't think he looked bad before, he looks like a total nutcase now. Who the Hell writes SEVERAL posts in a row of all capital letters except an upset teenage girl (I believe I'm not the only person here who had this comparison in mind)?

Anonymous VD August 17, 2014 8:13 PM  

I do wonder if you are a subconsious father figure to him.

No, to him I'm the ultimate figure of evil, the popular jock with money at his private school. People like him never get over high school and they spend the rest of their lives reacting to it. It's pretty common in his crowd; half their dialogue is the sort of thing they wish they'd said years ago.

Anonymous Knight August 17, 2014 8:13 PM  

FIVE ACRES AND A HUGO
(an excerpt)

...and that night, as the small man slipped into his giant wife's bed, he smiled. The Hugos were safe after all. He pulled the blanket up all the way over his pale shoulder and cupped his wife's hand before assuming the inside spoon position. Social Justice had won; he felt a strange thrill run up his leg, and then he slept. But even in the midst of his victory, the different thinking people haunted him. He saw them in his dreams, ragged, yes, and huddled by campfires, but still smeared with warpaint for some reason. Why? Didn't they know they had lost? Didn't they know he had won? Why were they laughing? And what were they muttering so darkly there in his dreams?

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 8:16 PM  

reminds me of a reaction to a sudden release after enormous fear. It kind of reminds me of the idiot auburn fans screaming all kinds of idiocy after they won the iron bowl last year.

My pet theory is... Scalzi has been literally terrified for the last month that you would win... and now that you didn't... the release of that fear has caused this reaction.

Anonymous Krul August 17, 2014 8:19 PM  

VD - First we exposed his pretensions about his blog, then we exposed his pretensions about his award... what's next?

That he's not even a real rapist?

Nah. No one would believe that..

Anonymous Carlotta August 17, 2014 8:19 PM  

That settles it. He loves you.

Anonymous Strange Aeons August 17, 2014 8:25 PM  

Self-righteous rabbits despise people guilty of noticing reality, people who notice reality despise hypocritical little leftoids, and the ideological rivalry just goes back and forth.
That being said though, given that the pinkshirts willfully covered up pedophiles in their pirated organization, I would think that no amount of their disapproval could ever be sufficient.

Anonymous Josh August 17, 2014 8:26 PM  

People like him never get over high school and they spend the rest of their lives reacting to it.

Why do you suppose that is?

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 8:32 PM  

I don't get it. How does he call it passive aggressive when you directly attacking him? It's aggressive all right (and hilarious) but "he who shall not be named" is passive aggressive "John Scalzi is a rapist" not so much.

Gammas gonna gamma I guess

Anonymous LL August 17, 2014 8:37 PM  

That is disturbing, from the all caps to the projection to the obvious reaction about a person he supposedly doesn't care one whit about. He should be embarassed but I suspect he's preening to his wife about what an awesome twidiot he is. She is probably dishing up a big bowl of froyo for her stud as I type this out.

Blogger Unknown August 17, 2014 8:52 PM  

Now Scalzi's on a tear about Larry. Can't wait for Larry's response.

Anonymous Josh August 17, 2014 8:55 PM  

Now Scalzi's on a tear about Larry. Can't wait for Larry's response.

Doesn't Larry sell more books than Scalzi?

Anonymous H August 17, 2014 8:59 PM  

I wouldn't take the all-caps thing seriously, I think it's just his version of humor by trying to exaggerate how Vox/Larry is reacting to losing. You see this type of thing all the time on message boards/comment sections/facebook, the rabbit tries to show how his opponent would react but in overly butt-hurt tones.

Anonymous Harsh August 17, 2014 9:08 PM  

Did we really expect any different from Scalzi? A man would have congratulated the winners and thrown out a "job well done" for *all* the nominees and then been done with it. But the head rabbit's gotta rabbit.

Anonymous kh123 August 17, 2014 9:22 PM  

Witness the building of character in action. He's finally found the courage to mention you by name.

Blogger rcocean August 17, 2014 9:27 PM  

Just when you think he can't get anymore pathetic.

Blogger rcocean August 17, 2014 9:29 PM  

I'm always tempted to feel sorry for him, but then reflect on how he'd behave if he had any real power in society.

Blogger Krul August 17, 2014 9:31 PM  

So Larry Correia isn't bigoted, but Vox is. Good to know.

How did he come to that conclusion, I wonder?

[I happen to think, based on their blogs, that neither man is bigoted. Nevertheless, having seen the way that label is regularly misapplied to include them both, I'm curious about the criteria that includes Vox and excludes Correia.]

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 9:32 PM  

Considering Scalazi plagiarized H. Beam Piper, I'm surprised to hear his opinion on anything at all. How long has it been since he's written an original work that wasn't based on stuff he coped from somebody else?

Anonymous Harsh August 17, 2014 9:34 PM  

Considering Scalazi plagiarized H. Beam Piper, I'm surprised to hear his opinion on anything at all. How long has it been since he's written an original work that wasn't based on stuff he coped from somebody else?

That would be never.

Anonymous MawBTS August 17, 2014 9:49 PM  

"Snarkread" is one of the most annoying words ever. It's up there with "amazeballs" and "awesomesauce". If you use these words you are either a 20 year old writer for Jezebel, or you get immediately demoted to one.

Anonymous Ra's al Ghul August 17, 2014 9:54 PM  

The orc is obviously a reference to VD calling his child a half-orc when scal was strutting around because his daughter can lift more than him. I suppose one should support both sides of your child's family.

Long ago I thought reading the Hugos would lead me to some good sci fi and quickly realized that a Hugo and Nebula was a sign of something not to read. Kind of like an Academy Award is for a movie for the last 20 years

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 9:57 PM  

""Snarkread" is one of the most annoying words ever. It's up there with "amazeballs" and "awesomesauce". If you use these words you are either a 20 year old writer for Jezebel, or you get immediately demoted to one."

Its funny... the first person I ever saw use "awesome sauce" was Bane... and it was like a decade ago...and it was part of one of the most epic insult rants ever.

Anonymous Red Comet August 17, 2014 9:57 PM  

No, to him I'm the ultimate figure of evil, the popular jock with money at his private school. People like him never get over high school and they spend the rest of their lives reacting to it. It's pretty common in his crowd; half their dialogue is the sort of thing they wish they'd said years ago.

Yeah, this is something I see with a lot of nerdy liberal writers that are like Scalzi. They still write about high school like it mattered, or write an awkward college scene with high school style bullies, or have a middle aged character confront someone that picked on them when they were a kid.

I just don't get it. Me, I'll go years without thinking about high school, and when I do remember back it's usually about how some girl I knew was insane looking back then. How can these guys not let something go after like 20 years?

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 9:57 PM  

oh wait... no... that gay sauce... not awesome sauce...

Anonymous Obvious August 17, 2014 10:02 PM  

I see that the concept of sarcasm and satire continue to elude our host.

Also, a Hugo award. Though he'll tell us many times he doesn't care about that.

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2014 10:03 PM  

What I find amusing is the notion that the votes of a few hundred people is somehow supposed to be considered representative of science fiction consumers as a whole.

Anonymous Androsynth August 17, 2014 10:03 PM  

I just took a look at these on Twitter, and it would seem that Mr. Scalzi is very, very sensitive to the folks tweeting in reply and calling him out on how sad these are.

Anonymous maniacprovost August 17, 2014 10:06 PM  

I actually just read Equoid, and I thought the beginning 10% sucked, but it began to get interesting about the time the first girl was- well, I won't even describe it. Although, it was pretty much meaningless and incoherent idea-wise, and a bit shallow and fan fictiony in style, it was at least entertaining. That's if you aren't nauseated and outraged by the snuff aspects.

I don't see how anyone can reasonably argue that it's much superior to Opera, though. On most metrics Opera is the clear winner.

Anonymous Strange Aeons August 17, 2014 10:08 PM  

"For the record, nothing I wrote last year got anywhere near the Hugo ballot. And I feel...pretty okay with that" - Scalzi

"No, I'm not obsessed with it, Vox is! Didn't you see all the stuff I pretended he would say?? Didn't you see where I pre-emptively put a thick coat of non-chalant paint on my sour grapes so you wouldn't call me out on my projection?? Raciss!"

Blogger buzzardist August 17, 2014 10:09 PM  

Scalzi needs to turn the caps off. He's ensuring that even fewer people read him.


Looking forward, the question is this: Is this year's sad puppies stunt a one-time stunt, or is it going to be a long campaign?

My guess is that the pinkshirts will gloat in this victory for awhile, but it's given them a feeling of imperviousness. They are invincible. The Hugos will always be theirs. They are probably still annoyed/scared enough that a lot will organize to control the nominations next year. If they can block every conservative writer from the Hugo ballot with a wave of nominations for "their" writers, especially if Correia or someone else tries to organize a second sad puppies effort, then most will consider their victory complete. If they don't, they'll be annoyed again, but are they likely to marshal votes next year like they worked to do this year? Doubtful. They won, and they can't possibly lose, so they think, and so they will let down their guards. They'll become complacent.

If conservative writers keep up the pressure, keep building readers, and keep pushing forward award slates, eventually they'll come up with a shock result or two.

The Hugos don't matter, and awards generally don't matter, as long as one is building readers and writing the best fiction one can. But the left thinks they matter, and they stake their superiority in being able to vote themselves awards. To the extent that conservatives eventually can puncture this misplaced pride, it may be a goal worth working toward.

At the very least, Correia proved his point with this year's nominations. A record vote turnout, even as readership declines? And, as it turns out, a lot of the bump was people reacting against the slate that Correia said the pinkshirts would never let win? This was precisely the point. The left obsesses over awards, and they will fight tooth-and-nail to prevent anyone outside their tribe from winning one. The left reacted precisely as the right predicted they would, with the results the right predicted would come about. The only ways to prove conservatives wrong was to let a conservative win or to have pinkshirts win in a normal year of voting. But the pinkshirts were so afraid of losing and so angry that someone else had been nominated that normal voting was out of the question. They had to flood the voting to ensure the results they wanted. Which only proves Correia's point.

Anonymous maniacprovost August 17, 2014 10:12 PM  

Another thought: We know Scalzi has good taste, deep down, because he's ripped off Heinlein and H. Beam Piper, rather than JK Rowling and Twilight. I mean RAH is popular enough that a poser could think to copy him, but H Beam?

Anonymous bob k. mando August 17, 2014 10:12 PM  

Obvious August 17, 2014 10:02 PM
I see that the concept of sarcasm and satire continue to elude our host.



oh? perhaps you'd care to explain to us, the poor benighted masses, what exactly is 'sarcastic' or 'satire' about this?


"John Scalzi @scalzi
I'm not going to lie. I'm going to be THRILLED to snarkread the whiny "I didn't want it anyway" nonsense that will squirt forth tomorrow."


i thought widdle Johnny had explained how he didn't give a hoot about Vox?

he surely does seem to expend a few too many cycles thinking about Vox to be someone who "doesn't really care".

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Blogger Krul August 17, 2014 10:16 PM  

Red Comet - They still write about high school like it mattered, or write an awkward college scene with high school style bullies, or have a middle aged character confront someone that picked on them when they were a kid.

I just don't get it.


I would guess that's because you've done or experienced interesting things since high school.

A lot of people just don't experience anything noteworthy after they leave high school. For them, life ends at graduation.

And that's sad.

Blogger James Dixon August 17, 2014 10:22 PM  

So, Scalzi spends a dozen or so tweets fantasizing about how Vox will react with tears, angst, heartbreak, and sour grapes While Vox's actual reaction is: "Good show, everyone. I can honestly say that I have never had so much fun losing an award."

Yeah, that figures.

> We will know better next time.

Yeah. The funny part is they think this is over. Somehow I don't think so.

Anonymous MawBTS August 17, 2014 10:22 PM  

I see that the concept of sarcasm and satire continue to elude our host.

Yeah, we know he's being sarcastic, thanks for keeping us in the loop, Captain Obvious. He just seems unusually preoccupied with this. He wrote one or two tweets congratulating people, and then went straight to ripping on Vox.

Through this whole endeavor, the evil racist bigots have been cool and funny and laughing it off, while the French Foreign Legion of Decency are crying like little girls who've had their sense of humor molested out of them.

Anonymous Daniel August 17, 2014 10:26 PM  

That he's not even a real rapist?

John Scalzi, failed rapist.

That's not a bad description of the man, even if it is less than accurate.Odds are that one or two of his rape attempts have succeeded, but if he approaches his hobbies like he does his vocation, it is all a numbers game anyhow.

Nothing for him to do but pick himself up off the ground, and find another woman to rape.

Blogger rcocean August 17, 2014 10:27 PM  

"i thought widdle Johnny had explained how he didn't give a hoot about Vox?"

Again, he's simply pathetic. Both as a man and as a thinker.

Blogger Unknown August 17, 2014 10:28 PM  

"How can these guys not let something go after like 20 years?"

They can't get over the perceived injustice that their brains don't trump Biff's muscles and good looks with the objects of their adolescent masturbatory fantasies.

It burns! It burns!

Blogger Nate August 17, 2014 10:33 PM  

"How can these guys not let something go after like 20 years?"

The limits of the gamma ego are yet undiscovered. And the seething hatred they feel for those who failed to recognize how amazingly awesome they were cannot be over-estimated.

Anonymous paleopaleo August 17, 2014 10:59 PM  

People like him never get over high school and they spend the rest of their lives reacting to it. It's pretty common in his crowd; half their dialogue is the sort of thing they wish they'd said years ago.

That about sums it up.

Anonymous Tyiop August 17, 2014 11:03 PM  

Vox under no award, girl pitches shut out in boys sport. Awesome

Anonymous GreyS August 17, 2014 11:07 PM  

This is just embarrassing, or would be to many people, anyway.

As if anyone anywhere believes for five seconds Scalzi's "Who? Don't really care?" act. If it isn't clear to any of his blog followers by now-- at this point, VD practically runs Scalzi's life. His blog is run mostly with VD in mind. Virtually his entire tweet history has been affected by VD. I'd be willing to be that Scalzi checks this site first thing after his email every morning. He even started working out because of VD.

On a much more important note: What the?!?!? NO DINO WIN?????!!!!??

Blogger Markku August 17, 2014 11:12 PM  

I'm not going to lie. I'm going to be THRILLED to snarkread the whiny "I didn't want it anyway" nonsense that will squirt forth tomorrow.

He's so addicted to Vox Popoli that he's already thrilled about what Vox might post TOMORROW. Scalzi is a superfan.

Anonymous Harsh August 17, 2014 11:17 PM  

Vox under no award, girl pitches shut out in boys sport. Awesome

Is Scalzi the girl?

Anonymous gay SF proud August 17, 2014 11:20 PM  

HAHAHAHA YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBES LOST!!!! HAPPIEST DAY EVER

Blogger buzzardist August 17, 2014 11:21 PM  

Another thought: We know Scalzi has good taste, deep down, because he's ripped off Heinlein and H. Beam Piper, rather than JK Rowling and Twilight. I mean RAH is popular enough that a poser could think to copy him, but H Beam?

Don't rule those out yet. Rowling and Twilight were not literary things when Scalzi started ripping off other works. Now that they are, it might take him a few more years to come up with a passable ripoff.

Of course, Scalzi also is just smart enough to realize that he'll probably get his tail sued by a contemporary writer whom he rips off (never mind that Twilight is the ripoff's ripoff's ripoff). It's easier to steal from dead writers who aren't likely to ruin you with expensive lawsuits.

Not that there is anything wrong with ripping off other writers. Legal and social standards for copyright and intellectual property have become absurdly strict. Chaucer and Shakespeare could not write today under our current copyright system. But I have to think that even Scalzi would agree that he won't be read and enjoyed in 400 or 500 years in schools and by virtually all intelligent people. If you're going to steal, do your thing better than the original.

Anonymous Harsh August 17, 2014 11:27 PM  

HAHAHAHA YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBES LOST!!!! HAPPIEST DAY EVER

Congratulations, man. It must be an exciting day for you.

Anonymous fish August 17, 2014 11:28 PM  

HAHAHAHA YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBES LOST!!!! HAPPIEST DAY EVER

More than your first "Pillow Bitin Day"?

Blogger Markku August 17, 2014 11:28 PM  

Today, the gays are actually gay!

Let's not rain on their... parade...

Blogger Dave W. August 17, 2014 11:29 PM  

And then, for some unknown reason, he posted a picture of an orc.

Family photos?

Anonymous trev006 August 17, 2014 11:39 PM  

Wow. I knew the numbers were big, but I didn't know they were this big. The "controversy" has done wonders for Huge voting, and quite possibly for sci-fi itself. I'm sure they're thinking we must do this again sometime.

http://www.thehugoawards.org/content/pdf/2013HugoStatistics.pdf

Anonymous dh August 17, 2014 11:41 PM  

trev-- this is probably related to being in London. The loncon organizations really did a good job with promotion and getting attendance up. It may be a high-water mark for a few years. I dont think Spokane Washington will have the same pull was London.

Anonymous Androsynth August 17, 2014 11:45 PM  

HAHAHAHA YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBES LOST!!!! HAPPIEST DAY EVER

Yeah, you guys sure proved there's absolutely no ideological angle to the Hugos.

Oh, wait.

Blogger Markku August 17, 2014 11:47 PM  

Likewise, Correia is a good writer and his works are fun to read and easy to enjoy; others he championed are likewise fine writers, and their works deserving of award consideration. He didn’t do his work, or the work of these other writers, any favors by muddling his message with Day’s nonsense.

Yeah, if you aspire to be the International Lord of Hate, then don't take an avec who overshadows you to the party. Bad strategy, bad tactics, bad result.

Anonymous LL August 17, 2014 11:49 PM  

I am not sure there will be another Sad Puppies Campaign. Think about it. Huge involvement and then the following year, with little incitement and controversy, the truth comes out, that no one really gives a shit but a handful of "voters." What an indictment. Correia proved his point, that the Pink side would freak out. They did, Scalzi here even somehow trying to imagine Vox's reaction, which most of us know is not even close to how he's react, so they take their hollow victory lap and next year...a hundred or fewer voters choose the Hugo "winners."

Anonymous Harsh August 17, 2014 11:51 PM  

Which is a shame. It’s fine for Correia to beclown himself with Day, if such is his joy, and he deserves to reap the fruits of such an association.

Like the SFWA's continued association and championing of MZB? The irony is rich.

Anonymous Pellegri August 17, 2014 11:53 PM  

HAHAHAHA YOU FASCIST HOMOPHOBES LOST!!!! HAPPIEST DAY EVER

What, happier than getting gaymarried to your partner? I'm sorry that went so badly for you.

Blogger IM2L844 August 18, 2014 12:17 AM  

The awards, the execrable gloating...Who would have thought? All totally unexpected. I'm shocked I tells ya. SHOCKED...and completely devastated. Makes me want to run out and have someone take pictures of me in a dress while I make comparisons of myself to ex-Marine-badasses. LMAO!

Blogger Anthony August 18, 2014 12:23 AM  

when you and Correia went after the hugos you attacked the entirety of his being (other than his yard)...

First we exposed his pretensions about his blog, then we exposed his pretensions about his award... what's next?


Maybe that's not really all his yard?

Blogger Akulkis August 18, 2014 12:24 AM  

And then, for some unknown reason, he posted a picture of an orc.

An orc, or the beast with whom he's cheating on his wife?

Blogger Markku August 18, 2014 12:25 AM  

They're having too much fun. We deserve some too.

I dare you to watch this without laughing.

Blogger Akulkis August 18, 2014 12:25 AM  

And then, for some unknown reason, he posted a picture of an orc.

An orc, or the nut-job fant with whom he's cheating on his wife?

Anonymous zen0 August 18, 2014 12:59 AM  

Josh August 17, 2014 7:46 PM

Who but a hyperventilating 12 yr old girl uses predominately ALL CAPS in online text?

Crazy old people on the internet


Also, Menopausal and Post-menopausal women drinking wine.

As Howlin' Wolf so aptly put it ........ " I am warnin' you brothers/ You better watch yor happy home......"

Anonymous dh August 18, 2014 1:02 AM  

So sick of hearing about JS's yard. I have three main pieces of property. My northernmost one is 4800 acres. My neighbor is selling his spread, 5280 acres. He has a 3 mile approach to his front door, and approximately 50 acres of fields to the northwest of his driveway. That's a lawn. A few hundred feet of green space is not a huge lawn. If I buy the neighbors lot, that will be just over 10,000 acres, which would almost be a good size starter farm.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2014 1:05 AM  

So sick of hearing about JS's yard.

u jelly bro?

Anonymous Mike LaRoche August 18, 2014 1:05 AM  

Its funny... the first person I ever saw use "awesome sauce" was Bane... and it was like a decade ago...and it was part of one of the most epic insult rants ever.

Speaking of Bane, this is what he had to say about Scalzi six years ago.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 1:27 AM  

So I looked briefly at "Whatever" and DAMN is that dude a moron. He called the winners one of the best slates ever when a book with "Lady Astronaut" in the title non-ironically won a major award. That should say it all.

I also wonder if he understands that Correia has his own opinion of Vox that might just not agree with his own.

Anonymous YIH August 18, 2014 1:33 AM  

Mekadave:
And then, for some unknown reason, he posted a picture of an orc.

Family photos?

We report, you decide

Blogger Dave W. August 18, 2014 1:41 AM  

Death by snu snu!

Anonymous Daniel August 18, 2014 1:47 AM  

Considering that John Scalzi is one of those men who enjoys battering lady astronauts sexually, I'm surprised the puppet mistress still gives him the time of day.

Blogger Shimshon August 18, 2014 2:21 AM  

Reminds me of an airband competition a friend corralled a group of us to enter in college. There were four contestants total. We came in third. But we were the only ones booed, by a good chunk of the audience. It was a special type of reward to me.

Sixth (out of five) is a special kind of distinction. Wear it with pride.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 18, 2014 2:30 AM  

Harsh Congratulations, man. It must be an exciting day for you.

Dude, you like totally noun-raped the sodomite guest. You should ask how it self-identifies before referring to it as a man, man.

When things like this start to annoy me I just go and look at tumblr. Once I remember who and what these people actually are and how lacking they are from the real world, it calms me down.

Blogger IM2L844 August 18, 2014 2:46 AM  

They're having too much fun. We deserve some too.

I dare you to watch this without laughing.


That was funny. Reminds me of a time when I suffered a similar episode in basic training. The drill instructor was so monumentally unconvincing with his rehearsed bluster that I lost my composure. The irony was just too much for me to bear. When he asked me "what is so fucking funny, maggot?" and I was finally able to gather myself, I told him and everyone within earshot the truth of it. The next day, I was transferred to the ranks of an even tempered and comparatively soft spoken, yet imposing mountain of a man for all further instruction. We got along just fine for the extended duration of that assignment. Scalzi is like the first guy. That he takes himself so seriously cracks me up.

Anonymous JohnR August 18, 2014 2:53 AM  

Notice that he has the comments off on the posts about the Hugos and a few days ago, he was bragging that his daughter is now taller than his wife who is taller than he is...

Wow...

Blogger Brad Andrews August 18, 2014 3:43 AM  

What an idiot. Scalzi really needs to grow up, though it is doubtful he will at this point.

I am glad I didn't spend my money on a futile gesture to swing the vote though. Would personally rather just sit back and let the whole thing swirl down the toilet, especially at this point.

Anonymous Apollo August 18, 2014 3:46 AM  

Now, I understand Correia will be happy to tell you that his Hugo loss doesn’t matter to him, which is fine.

Does a Hugo loss actually matter to anyone? Anyone with any actual real world accomplishments that is? As far as I have been able to gather with the scant amount of attention I have paid to this, isn't it just a popularity contest judged by the attendees of one particular sci fi conference mainly attended by rabid leftists? Since when has the opinion of a small bunch of weirdos been worth anything?

Anyway, I thought the purpose of sad puppies was to point out the idealogical bent to the voting, rather than to win anything. And the massive childish freakouts by the those on the left about the 'racist' on the ballot (e.g. Scalzis petulance above) seems to demonstrate that point quite nicely.

Blogger CostelloM August 18, 2014 4:29 AM  

I guess I'm missing something in all of this. If someone found definitive conclusive proof that J.R.R. Tolkien was a racist and loved all things communism I would *still* like his work. On the other hand if you hand me pink shirt garbage that attempts to so socially engineer the future (or present) that it just doesn't make sense than this is a book I don't want to read (Harry Potter series). Why not simply *enjoy* the book if its good and you like it? Shouldn't it matter first and foremost that the author tells a good story and keeps his audience entertained?

Blogger CostelloM August 18, 2014 4:31 AM  

As for Harry Potter I just can't get my brain around the fact that us muggles would still exist in a state of relative non-slavery and every wizard wouldn't automatically make super harems for themselves.

Anonymous VD August 18, 2014 4:33 AM  

I am glad I didn't spend my money on a futile gesture to swing the vote though

That wasn't the point. Are you not entertained? Forget all the books in the packet, this whole awards thing has had a higher entertainment value per dollar than any of the books that won for the last five years combined.

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man August 18, 2014 5:14 AM  

From the quoted Scalzi post:

"Now, I understand Correia will be happy to tell you that his Hugo loss doesn’t matter to him, which is fine. I do wonder if he considered how other people that were seen as part of his slate feel the same way"

And I wonder if John Scalzi considered how many of those who were part of that slate probably would have never been nominated in the first place, to have mattered at all to them? Hard to feel bad about losing if you're not even in the race to begin with.

Which was really the whole point that went skittering over his head. Maybe next time his women can pick him up cheerleader pyramid style high enough to catch it.

Just don't look up his dress....

Tyiop: "girl pitches shut out in boys sport. Awesome"

Yep, and it only took 40 years. Thank goodness all the other girls on her team made all those other putouts and scored those 4 runs for her, though.

Wait...what? They weren't girls?!?!

Blogger Unknown August 18, 2014 5:41 AM  

Twitter has been my best friend for the past few hours, the abundant examples of the rabbits lack of class and grace on 'victory' are hilarious.
Many of them are borderline foaming at the mouth despite getting their desired outcome. There would have been no better way to capture snapshots of an entire collectives almost inhuman levels of spite & repressed animosity. They should beware, however, that (based on the winners) the amount of 'diversity' at this years Hugos can be spun in an entirely different direction. Using the logic (or misappropriation thereof) presented in 'Whatever' and Walter's turgid blog it could look a little something like this:

(Please note: These are not my actual opinions, merely leftist spin techniques pointed back at them)

Ethnic Cleansing comes to the Hugo Awards

In perhaps the most stunning display of organisational ethnic cleansing, last night's Hugo Awards declared it's favourite colour to be White White White.

Of the 14 awards given to individuals, 12 of the recipients where white, a whopping 86% of the total as claims of 'diversity' in the genre were demonstrated to have been premature.

In recent years, despite attempts to
introduce authors of colour and alternative cultural voices, the white hegemony has solidified, campaigning fiercely to attract an ever higher percentage of the vote.

The LGBT argument has been used by several of the key proponents to show 'diversity' however this is demonstrably little more than a thin patina of inclusion used to try and disguise the overwhelming homogenisation of the awards. Consider that, while it is argued that LGBT authors are ostracised in the genre, vocally ardent supporters of the ideology suck as Stross, Kowal & Hurley have collected almost 10 Hugos dating back to 2005.

In actual fact, the above authors, who have dominated the awards, along with another serial award winning white author (John Scalzi - 4 times) and former fan award winner Jim C Hines (also white) campaigned vigorously against candidates of colour. The concern regarding an author of colour collecting one of the traditionally 'white awards' was so great that a UK newspaper column was used by hanger on Damien G Walter (a fervent supporter of white-only winners) to further cement the idea that authors of colour were somehow bigoted. In the ensuing ideological gymnastics if was asserted that somehow having nominees of European, Baltic, Latino, Asian & Native American descent somehow went against diversity.

In any event, the 'keep the Hugos white' movement was so successful that many of the winners and their supporters were in magnanimous moods, posting dozens of taunts at various authors of colour in a clear attempt to try and dissuade them from ever daring to disrupt the white hegemony in future. In statistical terms, this years awards had the greatest spread of ethnicity that the Hugos have ever seen, a diversity of culture and background that was mobilised again and stamped down hard by the white traditionalists. The campaigning was so fractious that at the beginning of the event an editor at a major publishing house was hurling random abuse at one of the ethnically diverse authors.

Since the awards, hollow cries of 'diversity' and 'progress' have been shown statistically to be untrue and have also been challenged by a representative of a leading ethnic charity. "So the winners are overwhelmingly white and overwhelmingly upper middle class from the most wealthy nation on earth, supported by other wealthy white winners and white editors from white multi million $ institutions? Yeah diversity"

Anonymous MPC August 18, 2014 6:28 AM  

As for the SFWA crowd being stuck in high school, forget that. I read a few of their tweets and they look more like they're stuck in grade school. It's like one step removed from calling Vox a big mean poopy-head who smells his own butt. "YEAH SOMEBODY OTHER THAN YOU WON AND DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T CARE BECAUSE YOU TOTALLY DO CARE, YOU MEANIE! TAKE *THAT*!" Anybody suggesting to them that maybe they're not accepting victory with the best of grace is similarly bitched at, and Scalzi... holy shit. He's come completely unhinged.

Blogger Dark Herald August 18, 2014 6:59 AM  

Bottom line this has been rather entertaining but now for the big question:

Same time next year?

Blogger Jack Aubrey August 18, 2014 7:39 AM  

Family photos?
We report, you decide

Oh Shit, it's Franks! Run!

Anonymous Salt August 18, 2014 7:44 AM  

Six of Five, a new Vox moniker.

Anonymous wow... just wow August 18, 2014 8:13 AM  

squee... everywhere is squee

Blogger Tommy Hass August 18, 2014 9:02 AM  

Lol at Scalzi's obvious, OBVIOUS gambit.

>HURR DURR, I'm going to be a smelly little turd and attempt concern trolling Correia into hating Vox

What a spit worthy little worm.

Also how does he bitch and whine about people claiming that his works suck ("That's just like your opinion, man. Objective judgement is impossible in SciFi.") THEN turns around to complain about the quality of OVA.

I mean, good God.

Blogger Robert What? August 18, 2014 9:03 AM  

"or pure projection?"

Answer: pure projection.

Over these more than fifty years in this tired world I've learned an important thing about people in general, but especially leftists: Dishonest people think everyone in dishonest. Liars think everyone is lying.

It also works on the plus side, but with a twist: An honest person tends to think anyone they meet is honest until proven otherwise. Even when disabused about a specific person, an honest person generally doesn't switch and consider everyone dishonest: just that one person.

So yeah, it is dishonest people projecting.

Blogger Dave W. August 18, 2014 9:11 AM  

Oh Shit, it's Franks! Run!

LOL!
Jack, you sir, win the Internet today.

Anonymous Alexander August 18, 2014 10:09 AM  

What did John Scalzi read, and when did he read it?

I find it interesting that Mr. Scalzi feels he can critique the substance of Vox's story. Not because he has just recently denied the concept of objective standards in literature, but because I find it hard to believe he's read it.

If Scalzi had been asked two days ago if he had read Vox, I have no doubt he would say that sadly, *SADLY*, there was not time to read all nominations and he prioritized the non-dipshit ones first. There is absolutely no way he would have given a direct confirmation of having read it.

I recall him making posts at the beginning of this kerfuffle about how readers were in no way obligated to reading everything, and hinting that there was no problem ranking No Award above Vox, because racism. I don't recall him being as straightforwardly stupid as some of the other rabbits on this issue, but that point stands.

Otoh, I could see Scalzi reading it in 'secret' but then it makes no sense not to have a post saying, "read Opera, didn't like it, here are my problems with the story." I think all of us would appreciate such a well-written criticism as befitting Chicago alum.

Anonymous rho August 18, 2014 10:14 AM  

I'll still check out Scalzi's TV show, even though he's a bit of a bitch.

I do wonder what the reaction would have been on both sides had the "Sad Puppies" slate pushed a notable number of winners.

Anonymous Heinlein's Ghost August 18, 2014 10:18 AM  

According to this source, Ed Kramer was not thrown out of SFWA. He's still claiming full membership. Read this story. http://comicsbeat.com/heeeeees-baaaaack-convicted-child-molester-ed-kramer-is-now-a-twitter-guru-living-in-brooklyn/

Blogger Brad Andrews August 18, 2014 10:47 AM  

> That wasn't the point. Are you not entertained?

I was definitely entertained, but I got that without the packet. I had thought about the books, but I am too backlogged to read the ones I have not already read.

I am annoyed that your work didn't get any consideration, as I found it a good story, but they are acting true to form, making the awards a validation of their lifestyle and not a true merit achievement.

The results were not surprising, though humorous.

Anonymous VD August 18, 2014 10:55 AM  

I am annoyed that your work didn't get any consideration

No worries. This was a group of people who didn't see fit to award either CS Lewis OR E.E. Smith Best Novel. It was impossible to take their opinions seriously after that, even if they did have enough sense to avoid the dinoporn.

Blogger RobertT August 18, 2014 11:40 AM  

The Hugos are a great illustration why you shouldn't belong to any organization. If they start out as a genuine, honest, straightforward organization, it doesn't last long. Eventually they're no better than the KGB.

Equoid? Honestly? I read Equoid and it is not up to award winning standards. If this was an unknown's first attempt, it wouldn't even get published. The laundry series is a good series, but this kind of disappointment will harm its popularity more than anything.

Blogger Feather Blade August 18, 2014 11:42 AM  

I dont think Spokane Washington will have the same pull was London.

Spokane used to be that class of city - they even had a Worlds' Fair once... how time shave changed.

@P.T. Barnumium

If you can get that post up on some SJW website you could very easily get them all riled up against Scalzi et al.
Seriously, that's the kind of outrage bait they lap up. If all of the white winners are also men, you could get feminists in the dogpile, too.

Do it for the lulz, man!

Blogger RobertT August 18, 2014 11:58 AM  

" this whole awards thing has had a higher entertainment value per dollar than any of the books that won for the last five years combined "

This is true. Entertainment is obviously hard to come by.

Anonymous Scipio Africanus August 18, 2014 12:18 PM  

Tommy Hass, as our muslim member of the Dread Ilk, could you declare a jihad against Scalzi for degrading the litterary genre of science fiction? It would be hilarious to see him wet himself in response.

sincerely

scipio africanus

Blogger Markku August 18, 2014 12:34 PM  

Scalzi dresses in women's clothes. The Old Testament has some choice words about that. What is the Islamic position? Perhaps a fatwa is in order?

Anonymous FP August 18, 2014 12:44 PM  

Scalzi dancing a jig in celebration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk

Anonymous Dr. Feelbad August 18, 2014 1:55 PM  

Scalzi dancing a jig in celebration:

Dude.
That is just wrong.

Wow. Just wow.

Blogger Hacked acct. No longer your supporter $1.50 August 18, 2014 3:42 PM  

This is hilarious!! Thank you Vox and McSca.

Anonymous Quartermaster August 18, 2014 7:49 PM  

Looks like you're living rent free in his head. Only problem is that's gotta be a mighty cramped apartment.

Blogger Brad Andrews August 18, 2014 10:11 PM  

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Blogger Brad Andrews August 18, 2014 10:12 PM  

He is not the focus of this thread, but I came across some somewhat reasonable game play videos by Wil Wheaton on YouTube the other day, but I realized my contempt for his idiocy would keep me from focusing on the chance to learn the game by watching the group play.

The more I see this idiocy, the more I want to completely avoid people like this. I note this because I am wanting to get as far from the idiocy as I can the more I see it.

I am sure some think me idiotic, but I don't go posting crud like these people do.

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