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Monday, August 18, 2014

Larry's summary of Hugo 2014

Larry Correia is manfully attempting to deal with his Hugo disappointment:
As expected I came in last place for best novel. The surprising part was that I was originally 4th, but then Australian voting rules kicked in, the last place is removed and the votes are recalculated. It is a weird system, and basically what it does is settles on the least disliked candidate as winner. I thought for sure the outraged SJW contingent would make sure I was dead last from the start, but as I’ve seen over the last few weeks from reviewers, many honest reviewers were surprised that it was actually a really good book. 

As for the rest of the Sad Puppies slate, they did about what we expected. The shocking one was Toni Weisskopf was actually 1st for best editor, but after the Australian thing lost. Too bad, because Toni is truly an amazing editor, but I’ve heard that Buchannan is really talented, so good for her. Brad had a pretty solid showing. Most of the others came in last or close. Vox came in 6th out of 5. (we actually had a side bet about which one of us would do worse because he figured he was far more hated than I was, and he won that bet)

Yeah… I think Scalzi still might be a touch bitter for that time I publically beat him like a rented mule.

I do enjoy the constantly moving goal posts of the perpetually outraged, like how Sad Puppies somehow turned into a crusade for racism/sexism/homophobia in their heads. I never expected to win the Hugo. My stated goals this entire time was to get some political untouchables onto their sainted slate, so that they would demonstrate that there was serious political bias in the awards.
To which Mr. Scalzi, spurned in yet another attempt to make nice with the big dog of the Baen Gang, reacted in his inimitable manner:
John Scalzi @scalzi
Also, I was right: Today IS filled with choice whining about how certain people totally MEANT to fail spectacularly at the Hugos, SO THERE.

John Scalzi @scalzi
RATIONALIZE YOUR HUMILIATING DEFEAT SOME MORE PLEASE IT GIVES ME THE TINGLES IN A DEEP AND PRECIOUS PLACE YES YES THAT'S IT
And every Game-conversant man thought. "Tingles? Yeah, I suppose that does sound about right."

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92 Comments:

Anonymous DavidK August 18, 2014 6:55 PM  

Scalzi needs to spend less time on twitter, and more time in the weight room.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 18, 2014 6:57 PM  

as noted before, Scalzi pretends to be a master of creating new narratives.

initiate Sad Puppies, stating that you all expect to lose, mostly on an ideological basis.

you all lose.

Scalzi 'predicts' that you will say that you didn't want to win any way.

he's not playing for you. he's playing for the Warren. he's providing them with emotional cover so that they don't have to think about the fact that the Warren just proved Larry's hypothesis.

after all, few Rabbits will actually bother to read Larry for themselves.

be very careful not to notice that Vox has surpassed Scalzi in popularity ...

Blogger Joe A. August 18, 2014 7:03 PM  

These have been the most brutally blunt displays of the truths of socio-sexual hierarchy these past several months...

Anonymous Eowyn August 18, 2014 7:11 PM  

I have no doubt he does get tingles. Manginas generally do.

Anonymous LL August 18, 2014 7:12 PM  

They're not tingles. That is the feeling he gets when one of his labia is pinched by his too tight jeans. Obvious mistake....

Anonymous GreyS August 18, 2014 7:14 PM  

Tingles? Uh... Superfan be moving into some real weird territory.

Anonymous VD August 18, 2014 7:16 PM  

be very careful not to notice that Vox has surpassed Scalzi in popularity ...

But not with Hugo voters!

It is telling how the folks who used to show up and talk about how irrelevant this blog was because Whatever was such a huge blog haven't shown up to talk comparative traffic in a while. The irony is that Alpha Game alone will have more pageviews this month than Whatever did in December 2013. And it has less than half as many as VP.

Anonymous ADS August 18, 2014 7:19 PM  

You are so brave. Putting on such a strong front all while typing though your salty tears of disappointment.

Stay strong kemosabe, the racism of the round eye will not prevail.

Soon the world will be ready for a cis-male Hispanic/Native-Americian/Anglo-Irish Sci-Fi/Fantasy Writer, until that time check your privilege.

Anonymous VD August 18, 2014 7:26 PM  

Stay strong kemosabe, the racism of the round eye will not prevail.

It's rather funny. I looked up a few of those who pass for celebrities from my tribe... and the woman looks like one of my brothers. I mean, she looks A LOT more like him than I do.

Blogger Nate August 18, 2014 7:31 PM  

Larry: I won't win.

Vox: no way either of us win.

Scalzi: HA! They didn't win and now they'll say they knew they wouldn't win all along!

Larry: ***cashes royalty check... notices IRS witholdings were enough to buy an Audi A8.***

Vox: ***chuckles***

Anonymous Sterling Cooper August 18, 2014 7:41 PM  

VD, seriously, you need to take a step back from this, it's getting weird. These people are not mature adult human beings, these are seriously disturbed middle aged adolescents with a serious case of arrested development. You write about a lot more interesting topics than this middle school snark fight, maybe you should back off a little for your own sake.

No offense.

Anonymous Soga August 18, 2014 7:43 PM  

Reading through the tweets to Vox, I can't help but laugh at how angry the leftists are getting over.... wait for it.... him losing!

What this teaches me is that you can defy the Left merely by being content. The Left believes that everything is a competition. They believe that you must constantly compare yourself against others and form rather short-lived alliances for the sake of ego validation, only to backstab your allies when they've outlived their usefulness to you. They believe that happiness is a zero-sum game. If you're happy, they're unhappy. Thus their unending quest to make us miserable (see: marriage 3.0, family courts, feminism, vibrancy, etc.). Of course, what they don't understand is that our unhappiness does not bring them any happiness. They don't understand that misery loves its company. They are miserable because they are miserable, wretched and twisted creatures who brought ruin to their own souls and now seeks the ruin of others to validate their destruction.

One of the reasons publicly announcing your faith in Christ offends the Left so much is that as Christians, we are able to learn to be content, because Christ is our contentment. The Left sees that, and their heart seizes up with hatred. How dare we be content with life when there is so much about which we must be malcontent? This contradicts the very philosophy of Progressivism. After all, if you are content, how can there be any room for Progress? Malcontent is the mother of Progress, so they say. The Revolution can only continue as long as there is enmity to fuel it. Woman must despise Man to revolt against him, even if it is to her loss. Neighbor must abhor neighbor, lest there be no reason to struggle.

For the Leftist, Life is Struggle and Struggle is Life. "Mein Kampf", the story of the Left.

Anonymous VD August 18, 2014 7:55 PM  

You write about a lot more interesting topics than this middle school snark fight, maybe you should back off a little for your own sake. No offense.

None taken, but I note that there are two other posts today, right on this page, plus a third one at Alpha Game. I also exceeded my daily word count on the novel and edited a book, designed [redacted], and worked on a Spanish translation today. So, my response would be that if this sort of thing bores you, ignore it and read the other stuff.

Anyhow, it should start dying down soon now that the awards are over.

Blogger Hammer6 Actual August 18, 2014 7:56 PM  

So even if the 'tingles' are real - who is going to tap *that*?

We are talking things that can't be un-seen.

Anonymous Icy Illusion August 18, 2014 7:56 PM  

I REALLY don't need to hear about Scalzi's tingles.

Anonymous cheddarman August 18, 2014 7:57 PM  

Vox,

Do you come from one of the Indian tribes that were in the Mayan or Aztec Empires?

If so, you could practice your native religion by offering up Scalzi as a human sacrifice... Then again, the gods

would be offended and reject it.

Never mind.



Anonymous Beau August 18, 2014 7:58 PM  

If you're happy, they're unhappy.

How dare a Christian be happy. How dare these knuckle-dragging troglodytes be at more peace, have better sex, and live fulfilled lives while their superiors in every way, shape, and form suck on the pods tossed to swine. How UNFAIR is God's grace to him who surrenders.

Rejoice!

Anonymous Josh August 18, 2014 7:59 PM  

designed [redacted],

OMG VOX IS WORKING FOR THE NSA!!!

Anonymous Mike LaRoche August 18, 2014 8:05 PM  

So even if the 'tingles' are real - who is going to tap *that*?

We are talking things that can't be un-seen.


Then don't click on this. BTW, I always wondered what became of Hacksaw Jim Duggan....

Anonymous FUBAR Nation Ben August 18, 2014 8:05 PM  

Scalzi is Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heroes.

Blogger David August 18, 2014 8:06 PM  

Yes, Vox not being voted the winner by a group of people who hate him proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's a loser.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!?!

Anonymous faggotsphere August 18, 2014 8:18 PM  

ME GAY GAY TYPE IN ALL CAPS IRONICALLY

Anonymous kfg August 18, 2014 8:22 PM  

" . . .these are seriously disturbed middle aged adolescents . . ."

As per my previous comments, I think you are giving far too much credit. It is in the adolescent years that the arrest of development becomes undenialbly apparent.

As has been alluded to before in this thread, the pathological need for group recognition and conformity is more a product of NPD than BPD, but the two are often co-morbid.

Anonymous kfg August 18, 2014 8:29 PM  

Apologies, that would be in the previous thread, not this one.

Anonymous JOHN SCALZI August 18, 2014 8:34 PM  

CAPS LOCK: THAT ''SECRET SAUCE'' OF GREAT WRITING.

Anonymous THE SKOOL FOR FAMUS SF RITERS August 18, 2014 8:45 PM  

LESSON 1 - ALWAYS USE THE KAPLOX KEY AT ALL TIMES.

Anonymous zen0 August 18, 2014 8:55 PM  

It is as of they were never told that you never go full retard.

The Truth

Blogger Eric Wilson August 18, 2014 8:59 PM  

Scalzi is Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heroes.

Did you mean Sgt. Schultz, of "I see notheeenk" fame?

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 9:07 PM  

He is an eternal twat. You can never punch him in his pudgy little face so who gives a shit how often he returns to his own vomit. Maybe someday he can plead his case in the heavenly court by typing in all caps.

Anonymous YIH August 18, 2014 9:23 PM  

zen0:
Is that the preview scene for the Redshirts TV episode ''Caps lock engaged, Captain''?

Anonymous Mrs. Scalzi August 18, 2014 9:23 PM  

Well at least one person in this marriage is getting deep tingles.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 9:24 PM  

> They believe that happiness is a zero-sum game.

Soga wins the thread early.

I'd been trying to fit my head into just where the hell these people's heads are at for them to obsess so over the *losers* of this competition, and just couldn't quite manage to come up with anything satisfactory. "Obviously they've never won anything before, they're so unfamiliar with handling it graciously" was about the best, but that really wasn't quite right.

But "they believe that happiness is a zero-sum game"? DUDE! NAILED IT!

Anonymous zen0 August 18, 2014 9:24 PM  

@ Mike LaRoche

Then don't click on this. BTW, I always wondered what became of Hacksaw Jim Duggan....

My first thought was "Its Mahatma Ghandi and the Jewish weightlifter all over again."


Anonymous kfg August 18, 2014 9:24 PM  

Sgt. Schultz was the one smart enough to act dumb to get through the whole thing in one piece and go home.

Colonel Klink was the stupid one who thought he was smart, smart enough to have earned his rank through merit and had unwarranted ambition to rise higher.

Blogger Lovekraft August 18, 2014 9:34 PM  

http://takimag.com/article/how_to_deal_with_the_brainwashed_jim_goad/print#disqus_thread

Nice article over at taki's mag explaining how warped progressive minds are. And also shows how Vox's strategy in dealing with the pinkshirts isn't an isolated theory.

Blogger Eric Wilson August 18, 2014 9:44 PM  

kfg,

Ahh. I've only seen a number of individual episodes, not the series as a whole. That makes sense.

Blogger Jew613 August 18, 2014 9:47 PM  

Is it possible scalzi is mentally ill? The scalding response to the Hugo awards seems like a bipolar

Blogger Jew613 August 18, 2014 9:49 PM  

Manic episode.

Anonymous YIH August 18, 2014 9:58 PM  

Jew613:
Is it possible scalzi is mentally ill?
Eh, maybe.
Bad: Probably his wife's.
Worse: She thinks he looks better in it than her.

Anonymous Daniel August 18, 2014 9:58 PM  

Scalzi does not appear to mentally ill. He appears to have backed what seemed to be the frontrunner in 2004 but turns out to be the obvious losing horse ten years later. Not only did he back this horse, but he wheedled, supplicated and deceived his way into the betting pool.

Now, he's got not nothing else but to dance in the mummershow. He is doing exactly what William Sleator described that most people would do when removed from intensive pavlovian experiments.

In '04, Scalzi showed that dancing like a madman for the master's dazzling lights would get him food. Now the master has died...and Scalzi dances uncontrollably like a spasmoid at every traffic signal he sees, even though his efforts now only serve to leave him hungrier than before.

You've heard of "attention-starved?" Well, McRapey is the doomed poster child for kwashiokor.

Anonymous Mike LaRoche August 18, 2014 10:16 PM  

My first thought was "Its Mahatma Ghandi and the Jewish weightlifter all over again."

That gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Thank you, come again."

Anonymous NateM August 18, 2014 10:26 PM  

One of these people expressed a logical well thought out and respectable opinion.

The other is John Scalzi

Anonymous SFWA August 18, 2014 10:29 PM  

Vox and Larry
will never be
as popular as
child molestation

Blogger Dark Herald August 18, 2014 10:50 PM  

Looking at their twitter feeds it has become obvious to anyone but the Rabbits that they are taking their victory lap in a clown car.

If they had half the brains they think they do, the rabbits would have made certain at least one maybe two conservatives had won. As David Freer suggested, Toni Weiskopf and Brad Torgersen would have both been acceptable.

As it is they have no fig-leaf of impartiality at all. The Hugos are now proven to be politicized. Which of course was the objective all along.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 10:55 PM  

"Is it possible scalzi is mentally ill?"

"The highest compliment man ever receives from heaven, is the sending to him its disguised and discredited angels." (Emerson)

The truth has always met with the bitterest opposition. Human nature, such as it is, never ceases to produce a class of individuals who believe that all that they do not know is simply not worth knowing, while professing themselves eminently qualified to judge of things they have never carefully or thoughtfully examined.

Or as the philosopher Henry More described them: "Parrot-like prattlers, boasting their wonderful insight to sacred truth, when as they have indeed scarce licked the outside of the glass wherein it lies."

VD : Keep up the good work, thank you for being valiant for the truth and fighting the good fight. I tip my yarmulke in your general direction.

Anonymous Bobo August 18, 2014 11:42 PM  

There are winners in life, and there are losers.

Everyday, in any still thoughtful moment, and in passing any mirror, Scalzi knows perfectly who the loser is.

Anonymous Pete August 18, 2014 11:49 PM  

Wow, caps lock really is cruise control for cool!

Blogger Markku August 18, 2014 11:51 PM  

They're not understanding (or are deliberately misrepresenting) the position. Of course any of the nominees would have been delighted to win. But it just wasn't a realistic target, and they said so from the beginning. The other side's long march through the institutions took a lot of time. Of course we are not going to accomplish on our second try.

But we already have progress to show. The first Sad Puppies almost completely failed. The second already got a large number of nominees in. This is going to encourage our troops to invest even more the next time.

This was EXPECTED to take time. Just like it did for them earlier.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 11:51 PM  

Maybe it goes without saying, but Larry never said he "meant to lose". Of course he wanted to win, but nevertheless his original point has been made.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2014 11:54 PM  

...And I see I'm well behind in my comments. Well, it's my own fault.

Blogger Markku August 18, 2014 11:58 PM  

Maybe this is some kind of a pathetic attempt at psy-ops campaign against us. "It didn't work, you can go home now". Well, that's a legitimate tactic, even when incompetently executed.

Or, maybe they don't even themselves understand anything else than "if at first you don't succeed, give up and be angsty about it". I don't know. But it doesn't matter.

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 12:15 AM  

This is going to encourage our troops to invest even more the next time.

If the Dread Ilk is going to march, you guys need a banner design for the battle standard. Something that will strike terror in the hearts of pinkshits everywhere.

Anonymous Susan August 19, 2014 12:23 AM  

Scalzi's comment about being rapturous about the tingles in his deep and precious place proves just what a throbbing mangina he is. I don't even know women who would talk like that. His wife and daughter must be so embarrassed by him.

Scalzi, all fart and very little p**p.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 12:25 AM  

If the Dread Ilk is going to march

This would be more of an Evil League of Evil Support Crew project, not specifically Dread Ilk.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 19, 2014 12:27 AM  

Clearly, between this and the previous multi-platform meltdown with psychoanalysis, the implication is that if your organization doesn't have people who think like this already, you should let them in (in a spirit of being "open to all talents"), you should let them lobby to bring in and promote others of their own kind (which they certainly will) till they are a voting majority - and then you should rely on their ethos of impartiality, their manly self-restraint, and their internal prioritization of the declared goals of the organization over factional politics.

Or, if it doesn't look like a society of Scalzis really would eschew mean-girl politics, you need to ban them from entering, purge them whenever they are detected, and go out of your way to make it clear they will not be tolerated, socially or any other way.

Because otherwise the declared goals of your organization will be subverted or dropped in practice, and it will be turned into a shell that's inefficient for any purposes but "front group" politics and providing sinecures for pink-shirts.

Blogger Matthew August 19, 2014 12:36 AM  

Who even reads these books?
We realized very late,
The Long March and their crooks,
Now punch above their weight.

Our voices calm and low,
No vocal fry; we're straight.
We saw the sign; we know,
It's time to rush the gate.

No need to preach the crowd.
No reaching for a State.
The QB calls it loud,
And the Short March ass-kicks Fate.

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 1:11 AM  

This would be more of an Evil League of Evil Support Crew project, not specifically Dread Ilk.

Would the Dread Ilk not be the elite regiment within the Evil Legion of The Evil League of Evil?

But I digress.

Anonymous YIH August 19, 2014 1:23 AM  

Soga:
If the Dread Ilk is going to march, you guys need a banner design for the battle standard. Something that will strike terror in the hearts of pinkshits everywhere.
Foreground, flaming sword, no hands, background, I don't know, royal purple perhaps?

Anonymous Soga August 19, 2014 1:52 AM  

Yes. A yellow flaming sword on royal purple. Simple and gets the point across.

A design that sort of resembles this, but slanted to the side and perhaps feature a motto in Latin.

Anonymous kfg August 19, 2014 2:01 AM  

"Would the Dread Ilk not be the elite regiment . . ."

I believe the most appropriate term would be "Shock Troops."

Blogger buzzardist August 19, 2014 2:37 AM  

Scalzi is so desperate to make the sad puppies slate out as a failure that he is completely twisting the purpose of the slate to begin with. Unless I'm mistaken, the point was to put a few politically unwelcome people into the mix of nominees, with the goal of highlighting how closed-minded and political the leftists in science fiction and fantasy are with regards to their awards. In that sense, the slate was an unmitigated success. Correia got a nominee in just about every important category, and the pinkshirts threw a fit, turning the voting entirely into a political statement of rejecting these candidates. That's exactly what Correia wanted to accomplish.

But Scalzi is so obsessed about this that he has to declare victory. There is no victory for him--he and his comrades were called out for politicizing science fiction and fantasy to an absurd degree, which they have now openly confirmed with their comments and votes. Scalzi tries to pretend that it's only about the quality of the writing...except where he has to admit that the writing is pretty good...and then he retreats to the odiousness of one certain individual on the slate tainting everyone else. Ultimately, though, he's just trying shift the goalposts and declare that anything short of winning is a resounding loss for the slate. Who set that goal? Scalzi. Was that ever a goal of the people who supported the slate? No.

The irony is that all of Scalzi's posturing is only going to prove what the sad puppies slate originally set out to prove.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 19, 2014 2:37 AM  

Blood for the Blood God
Skulls for the Skull Throne

Anonymous YIH August 19, 2014 2:38 AM  

OT: This is not a 'tank'. not a 'tank'.
Apparently niggers don't understand ''up armored cars''
Consdering that he was Janet Reno's second in command, and quite likely gave the order to attack ''The Branch Davidians'' because he got impatient...

Blogger Unknown August 19, 2014 2:56 AM  

" I think Scalzi still might be a touch bitter for that time I publically beat him like a rented mule."

I missed this! As of fan of Correia's deft gutting of rabbits who dare to toss their pellets at him, I would appreciate a link.

Anonymous Peter Garstig August 19, 2014 3:00 AM  

The amount of noise from the warrent about guys that didn't stand a chance to win just shows how nervious they all were this year. It's all a big fat sight of relief.

And they're all hoping it's over now...and can't understand that it didn't even start.

Blogger Doom August 19, 2014 3:15 AM  

Tingles are the only joy dickless wonders can achieve in their root chakra. That has to smart. Not a personal problem, and I think it is self-inflicted, so I have no sympathy while being totally incapable of empathy. If they would learn yoga, perhaps they could satisfy their root with their fifth. I just wish they would do all that a bit more privately, innit.

Anonymous VD August 19, 2014 3:27 AM  

Would the Dread Ilk not be the elite regiment within the Evil Legion of The Evil League of Evil?

In ELoE terms, the Dread Ilk are the elite private army of the Supreme Lord of Evil. Rather like the SS, only with less anti-semitism and more guns.

Blogger Shimshon August 19, 2014 3:55 AM  

Scalzi is such a caricature it's kind of hard to believe he's for real. Who writes or talks like that past, say, 20? It's like he's the younger half of some sort of badly written young/old switch comedy.

Blogger Shimshon August 19, 2014 3:58 AM  

A poorly written and acted "Big." Except Tom Hanks pulls it off and (more importantly) it's not real and thus not charming.

Anonymous Steve August 19, 2014 4:37 AM  

Tingles?!?

Your negging of Scalzi has had unexpected results...

Blogger Dark Herald August 19, 2014 6:11 AM  

@Steve

That one was good.

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 6:36 AM  

> Everyday, in any still thoughtful moment, and in passing any mirror, Scalzi knows perfectly who the loser is.

Does he, really? Everything he surrounds himself with: his lawn, his wife, his books, his awards, his followers at Whatever, his stints with Fox; all tell him he's a winner.

Now, everyone here knows that success or lack thereof can't be measured in those terms, but does he? I honestly have no idea.

Anonymous Saul Alinsky August 19, 2014 6:39 AM  

"Maybe this is some kind of a pathetic attempt at psy-ops campaign against us."

Isn't it always thus?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 19, 2014 6:50 AM  

Somewhat echoing Markku but with less knowledge about the process, I was damned surprised to see how far all of you made it, further than I would expect the average person to go. Isn't this sci-fi's highest award there is, and there you are, in the running for it?

Sure, second place is still second place. But Scalzi should realize that sooner or later, you'll win. Just for the hell of it.

Anonymous Anonymous August 19, 2014 8:00 AM  

Yes. A yellow flaming sword on royal purple.

The first one here. Just don't look at the rest of the site.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 8:53 AM  

What significance does winning an award add to a person's life? It's as if everything has to be reduced to a petty, meaningless competition, solely for the sake of feeding egos.

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 9:05 AM  

> What significance does winning an award add to a person's life?

That depends entirely on what your goals are. I'm sure to an NFL football player the Hall of Fame means quite a bit, for example.

Anonymous rho August 19, 2014 9:08 AM  

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe, Johann Scalzito writes:

Now that the Hugo awards have been awarded, what do we make of the "Weeping Kittens" slate and their performance in the voting results? Harry Correiana's attempt to push a different sort of nominees did not win over the LonCon voters, so if he was attempting to storm the battlements his siege failed.

However, in my conversations with Correiana on Telexer, I've come to understand that "winning", while it would have been nice, was not his purpose. Rightly or wrongly, Correiana believes that the Hugo awards are slanted in a particular way and knowingly ignore or outright shun works from authors who write certain kinds of stories, or who harbor certain beliefs. He suggested a slate of authors which he felt worthy of inclusion, and which he also believed would never be recognized.

Now, I disagree with some of his inclusions. Lox Dei, in particular: an author I believe to harbor unpleasant and incorrect positions on a variety of topics. I also agree with some.

Seeing all of these nominations fall through the floor of the voting system, I have to ask myself: "Does Correiana have a point?" For all of these nominations to fail, does that indicate some kind of bias? Is the winner of Best Short actually better than last place, or is it retaliation?

Obviously we can't ever know for sure. We don't know what's in the heart of every voter. But Correiana is a good author, and while we're not all friends we are all colleagues in our small corner of the fiction market. We are stronger together than apart.

Except for Lox Dei, he's a poot.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 9:30 AM  

James Dixon, well obviously people participate in sporting events in order to achieve victory. But I wasn't talking about athletes, I was talking about writers, i.e. artists. For an artist to strive for an award just strikes me as screwed up priorities. Shouldn't an artist strive for personal excellence, the artistic pursuit above all else? Artists should hold themselves to a higher level than a mere participant in a petty popularity contest. At least that's how I see it.

Your thoughts?

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 9:34 AM  

> Shouldn't an artist strive for personal excellence, the artistic pursuit above all else?

Yes. But as I noted in an earlier thread, these folks wouldn't know a muse if it beat them up and took their lunch money. They're not in it for the art.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 9:44 AM  

What significance does winning an award add to a person's life? It's as if everything has to be reduced to a petty, meaningless competition, solely for the sake of feeding egos.

Money. Sweet, sweet money. Assuming the work has any selling potential to begin with.

Being able to print "Hugo-Award Winner" on the work is a force-multiplier. Had Larry won it, it would have major significance. Had Dino Porn won it, not so much.

Anonymous Michael August 19, 2014 10:07 AM  

So then, the Hugo awards are nothing more than a stepping stone for financial gain and bragging rights.

Blogger James Dixon August 19, 2014 10:20 AM  

> So then, the Hugo awards are nothing more than a stepping stone for financial gain and bragging rights.

At this point, pretty much. They're also an in-group recognition system, but that group has become so insular and out of touch with even casual fans that it's pretty much meaningless now.

Anonymous Doug Wardell August 19, 2014 10:28 AM  

Wow, Scalzi really doesn't get conservatives at all. He thinks because he had huge feel bads after conservative authors layed into him regarding his participation Hugo that this is his big chance to make the right feel bad too. Except that the right already accomplished what they set out to do and no amount of revisionist history on his part will change that. Sure, I'd have liked to see one or two of our nominees win, but we always knew it was a long shot.

Scalzi also appears to think that trolling us with caps lock and Making Shit Up (tm) is going to help ensure we have the serious sads. Frankly, I just feel bad for the guy.

Anonymous Contemplationist August 19, 2014 11:34 AM  

Well, look. It's easily explainable. The Evil League of Evil invaded the Sci-Fi warren/fiefdom of the Pink rabbits. They shrieked, they screamed, they whined and got to work on STRONGLY DISAPPROVING of the League and sent a STRONG MESSAGE by denying the League members a Hugo. Now as they hi-five and backslap each other, they furiously castigate the Evil League for not going away. After all, losing a popularity contest in their warren was a huge setback wasn't it? So why don't these losers just SHUT UP AND GO AWAY?
Lolz. They are absolutely incapable of understanding that their shrieking has no effect outside their own warren.

Anonymous Molon Rouge August 19, 2014 1:46 PM  

Vox came in 6th out of 5. (we actually had a side bet about which one of us would do worse because he figured he was far more hated than I was, and he won that bet)

This is, of course, stating the very obvious, that the sad puppies hurt only themselves. The reading public will buy only those books that are entertaining.

Why buy a story about lovesick dinosaurs?

I am reading Neil Gaiman right now and his words are so thrilling, delicious and fun! He is not promoting some political thought or agenda. The novel is just wonderful.

So, sad puppies, rabbits and gamma rays,,,,,go away and leave thoughtful folks alone.

Anonymous Alexander August 19, 2014 1:53 PM  

The reading public buys Larry.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 1:56 PM  

You don't understand the role of the puppies. The puppies were the ones who wanted conservative fiction to succeed. The fact that it doesn't, is a leading cause of puppy-related sadness.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 1:57 PM  

Succeed in awards, I mean. The puppies are very peculiar about what they desire.

Blogger Markku August 19, 2014 2:06 PM  

Which puppies, you ask? All of them. I'm reliably informed, by Larry, that all the puppies in the world share this one wish: That conservative fiction succeeds in awards.

Anonymous salon.com August 19, 2014 3:08 PM  

Ani DiFranco’s faux-pology: White privilege and the year in race
With most white people not having to confront the true history of plantations, honesty about race remains elusive

2013: The year in whiteness
From Phil Robertson to Megyn Kelly, peddling white grievance became a bigger, crazier, more lucrative racket

Blogger Akulkis August 19, 2014 5:00 PM  


Then don't click on this. BTW, I always wondered what became of Hacksaw Jim Duggan....



So, Scalzi *DID* marry an orc....

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