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Sunday, August 31, 2014

Old Age: Boomers suffer most

I am morally opposed to euthanasia, but sometimes, the bloody Baby Boomers really make it a terribly tempting proposition. Now they have discovered that they are the first generation in human history to grow old:
Every generation gets old, but for those who were told we’d be forever young, it just seems more painful. “It’s a huge issue,” says Dr. Anna Fels, a psychiatrist in New York. “I see so many who are trying to adjust their lives to this new phase, which for some reason none of us really pictured ourselves going through.”

Why didn’t we? We knew that eventually more people around us would be younger rather than older. But it still rankles. The image of a room filled with younger people is the perfect symbol.

“It’s an important marker for this generation because it reminds them that they are now the ones closest to obsolescence, the ones the world can do without,” says Dr. Roger Gould, a psychiatrist and the author of “Transformations,” a book about age-related adult problems.
Yes, the world can certainly do without them. In fact, the world would have been a good deal better off without their generational peculiarities. A fair amount of the blood that will be shed by our children and our grandchildren is going to be on their hands. They never pictured themselves going through what EVERY PREVIOUS HUMAN GENERATION HAD for the obvious reason that they are, collectively speaking, idiots.

The pathetic thing is that they are STILL trying to be cool. "When I was asked in a sociology class what music I listened to, I hesitantly named Sam Cooke, thinking I would be stared at with stumped pity. In fact, many voices shouted out, “Love Sam Cooke!”"

Sure they did. I'm sure vast quantities of college students in 2014 listen to an now-obscure soul singer who died 50 years ago. Why, it's amazing, but even the younger generations think you're the epitome of a hep cat with a bad hip, Granddaddy-O! These narcissistic buffoons can't even grow old and die with any grace. They'll be sitting in hospital beds drooling on themselves, hooked up to machines, and if you lean in, put your ear up to their lips, and listen closely, you'll be able to hear them whisper important words of the life-affirming wisdom they have acquired over the course of their long lives: "Eighty is the new twenty! Hospices are totally happening places these days!"

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Anonymous Giuseppe August 31, 2014 9:04 AM  

Hahahahaha damn Vox, this one really hit the nail on the head. I fully concur.

Blogger CM August 31, 2014 9:08 AM  

“It’s an important marker for this generation because it reminds them that they are now the ones closest to obsolescence, the ones the world can do without,” says Dr. Roger Gould, a psychiatrist and the author of “Transformations,” a book about age-related adult problems.

Karma's a bitch.

Blogger Dark Herald August 31, 2014 9:15 AM  

Expect Beatles songs to be making significant entry into hospice care. Although I think the lyrics of "Imagine," would prove worrying under those circumstances.

Anonymous Cranberry August 31, 2014 9:16 AM  

So, they worshipped "the world" and the state, did not have any or many children, and indulged in the self, and now come to realize that world, and state are cold and cruel masters, incapable of offering comfort as Self fails.

Abandoning God to serve their own carnal desires is paying its just dividends. Buy now, pay later. Always a losing bargain.

Anonymous Incurvatus August 31, 2014 9:21 AM  

God knows they're doing their best to destroy churches by trying to make them 'real and relevant.'

Anonymous redsash August 31, 2014 9:35 AM  

Can we not wallow in our own self pity? We only acquired the pre-programmed habits of the egg and the sperm from which we sprang. I can't feel my leg. Nurse. Nurse. Somebody answer that damn phone. Can I buy a vowel Pat?

You must have really hated those years with your parents at the commune.



Anonymous RedJack August 31, 2014 9:42 AM  

My mother has been complaning non stop that "No one said being old would be this hard!!!!"

I lost my paitence the other day when she was going on and on. Out daughter was in the NICU for 72 days, and my mom is mad that they won't give her enough drugs to keep her mild arthitis from causing any discomfort.

And to be clear, my mother is not the most whining boomer there is.

My father was born seven years earlier, had double knee replacements, brain surgery, and has been told they are not sure how he can walk with out screaming. His biggest worry right now? He has trouble finding Nebraska Football on TV in Seattle. Dad is just pre boomer.

Anonymous DKVIking August 31, 2014 9:49 AM  

I long for their demise. Then the clean up can begin after their disastrous rule. They are the worst generation. Have any generation had so large an influence and so destructive?

Anonymous takin' a look August 31, 2014 10:05 AM  

I can't stand them. EVERYTHING is about them. They are worthless lotus eaters, nothing is ever really their fault Because. Yes, the subsequent generations have, are and will suffer enormously from these assholes.

Anonymous Orville August 31, 2014 10:06 AM  

As a 57 year old boomer, I can say that Vox is spot on with the narcissist tag. I don't look as old as the people I went to high school with, or feel old for that matter, but I wish boomers would shut the fuck up and be more responsible. They have higher divorce rates, and now apparently higher suicide rates because they just can't deal with getting old.

Anonymous Susan August 31, 2014 10:10 AM  

So you think artists like Sam Cooke and his era are obscure? Oh ye of very little faith. A lot of those groups and artists are STILL touring to some extent.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 10:15 AM  

Listen to the words man! Listen to the words!

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 10:17 AM  

So you think artists like Sam Cooke and his era are obscure?

I don't think so, I know so. Go ask 20 random college students who Sam Cooke is. At least 18 out of 20 don't even know it is the name of a musician. You'll probably get more who think he is a current NFL player.

Anonymous JohnR August 31, 2014 10:18 AM  

Interesting, I hear about the whiny Boomers but I don't know any...My 2 older brothers and 1 older sister are all Boomers, 67, 65, and 63. All worked hard, raised children and 67 and 63 are retired from smart investing and pensions. 65 owns a construction company and is a millionaire.

Had 6 children among them. Sister lost baby to SIDS at 2 months and 6 grandchildren among them, nephew's wife lost baby to miscarriage not long ago. More grandchildren on the way though.

We grew up around the Kansas City area. Do you think that might have something to do with it? Midwestern values and we came from farmers and spent time on farms growing up.

People tend to listen to the music of their youth. My mother (now 89) still listens to old country and the easy listening music of the 40s and 50s, FIL listen to Nat Cole until Alzheimer's set in. I was listening to the Gene Krupa/Buddy Rich drum battle on Youtube last night. The Sam Cooke reference is not odd. I started listening to jazz in my late 20s because it was the only time I heard sounds I had never heard before.

Are you sure it's not the Boomers who run things now that are the problem and not the average Boomer who spent his/her life working and raising a family that is the problem, and yes, when everyone who remembers the 60s is dead, the world will improve markedly.

I think the problem is the 60s and not the Boomers, They were sold revolution and utopia and are shocked because they didn't get it. They were the first generations without serious want and the future seemed limitless and raised by people who didn't want their children to have to go through what they did. Not surprising they tend toward narcissism and self-centeredness.

I suppose I am a Boomer too. Born in 59 at the tail end and never felt like a Boomer. The corporate restructuring began in the mid/late 70s and it was already getting difficult to find a job that you would work at for 30 and out. I feel just as screwed as the next guy. America does not create anymore. We move paper from one pile to the next and call it a career.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:20 AM  

"So you think artists like Sam Cooke and his era are obscure? Oh ye of very little faith. A lot of those groups and artists are STILL touring to some extent."

Yeah like where? At the casinos where all the has-beens end up.

Anonymous JohnR August 31, 2014 10:21 AM  

Surprise, surprise...the article was written by a New Yorker...That is the problem....Stop reading the Times, Vox

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:25 AM  

The boomers in power are the biggest f-ups ever. Excellent post Vox it should be published where lot's of boomers can see it even though they wouldn't grok it.

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Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 10:32 AM  

The boomers are still in charge.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 10:34 AM  

Yeah, and the new generation is doing SOOO much better.

Look at the ages of the judges who are ushering in all these changes you decry. It's not GenX or the Millennials. It's the last gasp of the Boomers. For example, the judge who just decriminalized polygamy is Clark Waddoups (born 1946 in Arco, Idaho). Boomer.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:34 AM  

Gen-Xers and millennials are so busy burying this country in their own brand of stink it makes us boomers look like saints by comparison.

Yeah we just got that way all by our lonesomes in a total vacuum *rolls eyes* Keep proving Vox's points.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 10:35 AM  

"They are the worst generation ever."

Yeah, and the new generation is doing SOOO much better. Euthanasia, same-sex marriage, serial polygamy, sexual perversions, rising godlessness -- Gen-Xers and millennials are so busy burying this country in their own brand of stink it makes us boomers look like saints by comparison.

It wasn't us boomers who elected Obama.

Anonymous GenY August 31, 2014 10:36 AM  

Their parents were the "Greatest Generation" ... New Deal state-worshipping FDR-sucking warmongering drones.

Anonymous Gara August 31, 2014 10:38 AM  

Obama ...not a Boomer

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:38 AM  

"It wasn't us boomers who elected Obama."

Obozo is a boomer raised by boomers. Promoted and raised to power by boomers, spent time in the bathhouses of Chicago with boomers. The media that provided cover for him and lies for him run by boomers. Helllooooo McFly!

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 10:40 AM  

It wasn't us boomers who elected Obama.

No, but it was you Boomers who made sure the choice was between Obama and Romney.

Obama ...not a Boomer

He most certainly is. 1961 is right between 1946 and 1964. That's an unusually stupid statement even for you, Gara.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 10:42 AM  

Their parents were the "Greatest Generation" ... New Deal state-worshipping FDR-sucking warmongering drones.

Someone has to bear the blame for telling them they were the specialist, most wonderful little people in the history of Man. Talk about good intentions going awry....

Blogger JDC August 31, 2014 10:44 AM  

Yeah, and the new generation is doing SOOO much better.

And there is the difference. You don't see Gen-xer's and millennial's trying to convince everybody that their generation is the greatest. Please boomers do one selfless thing in your life...I know it doesn't come easy because it involves thinking of someone else, if even for a moment, above yourself.

Anonymous PA August 31, 2014 10:44 AM  

Their parents were the "Greatest Generation" ... New Deal state-worshipping FDR-sucking warmongering drones

The Dresden-incinerating generation doesn't get nearly the venom it deserves.

Anonymous PA August 31, 2014 10:47 AM  

Please boomers do one selfless thing in your life

... it can involve a combustion engine and a garage.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:47 AM  

Gee, which generation does Hillbilly(Who's still trying for more power),Obozo,Dingy Harry Reid,Piglosi,John Kerry,Wasserman Shultz, Boxer,Barney Fwank,John Boner etc... ad infinitum belong to?

Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 10:47 AM  

Boomers are still in charge. The clean up won't be done in a generation, it will take a hundred years or more. The boomers influence wil vain as they die and the people the have put in as their successors retire or find it impossible to continue the politics and are replaced. Their power structure wil live after them but deteriorate, hopefully very rapid.

Blogger Wagnerian August 31, 2014 10:52 AM  

Well, it's really nice for you to have an object for your anger, but I wonder at the intensity of your emotion toward an admittedly extremely self-indulgent generation. I look at what major problems we have, and wonder why the "greatest" generation and their parents don't get any blame. Boomers weren't born when the social security act was passed. Boomers weren't old enough to vote when the Civil Rights act of 1964, which took away private property in the hands of business, or the voting rights acts were passed. Boomers were infants or not born when Israel was formed and the M.E. debacle was put in place. Admittedly, some boomers were old enough to vote for Nixon, who administered the coup de grace to gold based currency, started the EPA, expanded affirmative action, among other things, but most of Nixon's votes came from older generations. Is it boomers responsible for the pussification of the US? Partly, but certainly not entirely. It's beyond me why you single out one generation--a spoiled generation to be sure--above all others who seem to me to be responsible for a huge proportion of our problems.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 10:59 AM  

" I wanted to move the country left" - Bill Clinton in a TV interview

Look at that another boomer, go figure.

All the leftist/feminist destruction including the corporate socialism is the boomers fault and is to this day maintained by boomers despite massive real-time and mounting historical evidence of it's complete failure. Yes boomers are complete idiots.

Blogger Bob August 31, 2014 11:00 AM  

My my...

Resentment oozing out of every seam here today.

Anonymous Will Best August 31, 2014 11:02 AM  

It wasn't us boomers who elected Obama.

Who let all the Mexicans into the country? Obama would have lost if the voting population was still 84% White like it was in the 80's

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 11:03 AM  

Well, I suppose you're looking to get a rise out of some "Boomer" with this stuff. I gather whether I am one depends on the definition, since I was born during rather than after the "Greatest Generation"s stupid war.

None of the insantities and evils you rail against began with my "generation". We inherited them all from our parents (who fell for e.g. Roosevelt's "Pearl Harbor" charade, the ridiculous sudden turnabout from Uncle Joe being our Best Buddy to the Soviet Union being Evil Incarnate, universal infant male circumcision, to mention only a few of the myriad lies of the time). Who inherited them from their parents (who bought into Wilson's "Making the World Safe for Democracy" as well as the 16th through 19th "Amendments" – perhaps you've heard of the latter? – and Roosevelt's "New Deal", etc.). And so on.

My father was fool enough to join Roosevelt's war; his father bought Wilson's "War to End War"; his father (and all his brothers) participated in Lincoln's "Civil War"; his father (my namesake) joined up for Polk's imperial adventure in Mexico; his father fought in the War of 1812; and his father served under Washington at Germantown, Valley Forge, et al. Of those wars, and the many others in the U.S.'s bloody two centuries, the only one that was even faintly justifiable was the War of Independence – which actually, as a recent article at LRC explored, left the former British colonists worse off in many ways than they were before (higher taxes, for one thing).

Me, I went to Canada, a decision for which I'm still excoriated almost 50 years later. (My father, a veteran of air combat over the Atlantic, the Pacific, and Japan, was sympathetic if not enthusiastic. My uncle, who sat out the war manning a radar station here at home, was critical.) I happen to think that was progress of a kind. Had my country actually been threatened with invasion (my home town was in fact the only place in the continental U.S. that was briefly under attack by a misplaced Japanese submarine sometime during WWII), I certainly would have stepped up for the defense. But that was clearly and glaringly not the case.

It was my "generation" that apparently convinced the Warmakers that conscription was more trouble than it was worth; but I haven't seen the U.S. military suffering for any lack of volunteers for all the imperial wars since then.

Anonymous Feh August 31, 2014 11:06 AM  

Go ask 20 random college students who Sam Cooke is. At least 18 out of 20 don't even know it is the name of a musician. You'll probably get more who think he is a current NFL player.

I'm GenX and I have no idea who the fscking guy is. After looking him up on wiki, yeah, I think I recognize some of those songs, I guess.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 11:09 AM  

The one thing my "generation" did that was perhaps remarkable (not to mention unique) was that a significant number of us woke up enough to see that we'd been fed a mess of lies, and rejected them to try to find something more true. That most of us went astray in that search, and ended up settling for just another mess or three of lies – and lies, such as socialism and feminism, that had begun a century earlier and were gaining rapidly everywhere – does not negate the value of awakening as a possibility.

Yes, we were (and mostly are) arrogant, full of ourselves, narcissistic. Young people generally are. That hardly anybody ever grows up anymore only compounds the insanity. But I haven't seen any improvement on that score among the various "generations" that have followed mine. The Ruling Class prefers that the general population remain in a state of biddable perpetual childhood – and most everybody seems happy to oblige.

There is a general tendency to romanticize certain periods of the past, e.g. the "wonderful" 1950s. (People have always done this; 2500 years ago in China Confucius spoke in reverent tones about dimly-remembered past periods when everything was supposedly cool.) Well, I was there; certainly there were some things about the 1950s that were much nicer than present circumstances, but there was a lot about the time that was rather horrible. Which was why we rebelled.

In sum, I would suggest that if you want to criticize your elders, the most effective way to do so would be to do better. Yes, I know you are trying (sometimes very trying), but of your "generation" you are in a tiny minority – just as I am in mine. The only significant difference I see between my and later "generations" is that the latter (with occasional exceptions, rather less numerous percentage-wise than the "rebels" of the 60s) don't even seem to want to know if there's anything truer than the lies they've been fed. They just believe them all, thus we have Obama, the Bushes, the Clintons, and the whole sorry parade of lying "leaders" I've seen all my life.

You can do better? Okay, quit whining and show me.

Anonymous Axe Head August 31, 2014 11:11 AM  

And it was Boomers who passed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Oh, wait, it wasn't.

The Boomers are why I don't buy the mythology about the so-called "Greatest Generation." The Boomers are screwed up because their parents raised them to be that way.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 31, 2014 11:11 AM  

Stefani Monaghan August 31, 2014 10:35 AM
It wasn't us boomers who elected Obama.



false. more boomers voted for Obama over McCain in 2008.
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_08.html

but that's not even the most important thing. the Boomers continued the work of the GreatGen Cultural Marxists and the indoctrination of the GenYs and Millenials proceeded apace. THOSE are the generations which had the pleasure of being 'educated' by Boomers.




Wagnerian August 31, 2014 10:52 AM
It's beyond me why you single out one generation



because they are the major inflection point. even Ayn Rand saw them coming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Left:_The_Anti-Industrial_Revolution


P.A. System: Boomers. Born 1946. Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal.

[Crowd applauds]

P.A. System: Be strong and you will be renewed. Identify.

[Boomers show flashing crystals]

Anonymous Will Best August 31, 2014 11:15 AM  

You can do better? Okay, quit whining and show me.

There is too much inertia to change the system without breaking it. Either it financially collapses on its own when the rest of the world decides that the US isn't allowed to print money any more, or a race war starts.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 11:19 AM  

"Yeah we just got that way all by our lonesomes in a total vacuum."

Ah, gotcha. So therefore you have no responsibility to clean up your act. You sound like a whiny boomer.

I was responding to DKViking, who seems to be of the opinion that the younger generations are being stymied in their clean up efforts by us boomers refusing to die. Only problem is, the only thing the younger generations are interested in is digging the shithole deeper.

"Obozo is a boomer...."

Barely.

But then, I didn't say he wasn't a boomer. I said he wasn't ELECTED by boomers. It was Gen-Xers and millennials who put him in the White House. Twice.

VD: "Look at the ages of the judges who are ushering in all these changes you decry."

Oh, please, Vox. You're scapegoating and you know it. Every poll ever done on the subject shows Gen-Xers and millennials are far more supportive of same-sex marriage than boomers. Unless you're going to argue the sudden turn around in public opinion was orchestrated by those of us over fifty.

Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 11:20 AM  

The boomers last action is to light the match in an attempt to burn down western civilization, which they hate, through immigration. I hope they don't succeed but the fire is burning and it will be a struggle to recover. I hope the leading boomers die while a vibrant perp or caregiver looks on with disinterest.

Talking about generations is naturally painting with a broad brush, don't you recognize the boomer values in your life or have you always fought them, then you are naturally not included in my contempt for your generation.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 11:20 AM  

"There is too much inertia to change the system without breaking it."

This is why you can't reason with these idiot boomers, the system is STILL maintained and overseen by boomers.

Anonymous Bz August 31, 2014 11:22 AM  

Every generation gets old, but for those who were told we’d be forever young, it just seems more painful.

A fitting epitaph for the Boomers.

Anonymous Bz August 31, 2014 11:23 AM  

Sam Cooke? That's that gay black football player, right?

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 11:26 AM  

"Yeah we just got that way all by our lonesomes in a total vacuum *rolls eyes* Keep proving Vox's points."

Just like the Boomers, and Silents, and Swing Kids, and Naughty 90s.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. What comes next isn't going to be pretty.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 11:27 AM  

"Ah, gotcha. So therefore you have no responsibility to clean up your act. You sound like a whiny boomer."

Now you're just talking out of both sides of your mouth like a, wait for it.... leftist. According to your own narcissistic ramblings you clowns are the stalwarts of the universe that upraised western civilization to new heights so how can I sound like a "whiny" boomer?

Anonymous Harsh August 31, 2014 11:29 AM  

You can do better? Okay, quit whining and show me.

Typical boomer-think. Thanks for the laughs. The sooner your generation is six feet under, the better the world will be.

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 11:36 AM  

"In sum, I would suggest that if you want to criticize your elders, the most effective way to do so would be to do better."

Funny, people tried to tell the Boomers this.. didn't seem to work out too well for them.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:37 AM  

We grew up around the Kansas City area. Do you think that might have something to do with it? Midwestern values and we came from farmers and spent time on farms growing up.

Of course there are exceptions, and yes, rural folks are more likely to be such. My parents are also as you describe, but they are/were Midwestern farmers, and the Woodstock stuff didn't reach them. (Around here, guys were still volunteering for the military and going to Vietnam, not protesting it.) My dad thought it was funny that wearing blue jeans suddenly became counter-cultural, since he'd been wearing jeans all his life on the farm because farmers had long worn denim for protection.

But Boomers like them quietly raised their families and worked at productive jobs, keeping the country running while their narcissistic, radical peers went off and took over government, media, academia, the churches, and pretty much every power center in the country. So while they exist, and their children and grandchildren may form a remnant that will rebuild civilization in the ashes left behind by the Boomers, they aren't really relevant to what's been going on for the last few decades or to any stories that appear about Boomers in the media.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:38 AM  

You're right; instead of bombing North Vietnam in the late 60s, we would have been better served with some precision bombing of northern New York and Northern California.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 31, 2014 11:39 AM  

to put it another way:
Boomers have spent the last 50+ years expounding to all and sundy about how 'important' they are and how much they've 'changed' and 'advanced' society.

guess what, motherfuckers?

we believe you.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 11:40 AM  

The sooner your generation is six feet under, the better the world will be.

Childish. And obligingly proving my point, along with most of the other commenters on this thread. When you get to 70, if ever – and are faced finally with the certainty that you too will soon die – perhaps you will see things a little differently, develop a little depth, a little courtesy, perhaps? If you have sufficient character to even notice, in between your video games or whatever other vices you employ to keep yourself distracted. Or maybe not. If you're an example of the Hope for the Future, then I don't see current trends changing course at all, only accelerating. Which doesn't surprise me; the World has always been insane, and I see no reason to believe it won't always be insane.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 11:42 AM  

"My dad thought it was funny that wearing blue jeans suddenly became counter-cultural, since he'd been wearing jeans all his life on the farm . . ."

It's an identifying with the unwashed masses that you can't actually stand to be around because they're unwashed thang.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 11:44 AM  

I wonder at the intensity of your emotion toward an admittedly extremely self-indulgent generation.

Because you didn't have to listen to self-glorifying Boomer flatulence for your entire life. "Forty is the New Twenty!" "Fifty is the New Thirty!" "Silver Foxes are Sexy!" "Old Age Is Harder For Us Than Anyone Ever!"

Shut. The Fuck. Up Already.

It was interesting talking to the Generational Dynamics guy. He recognizes that the GenX hate for the Baby Boomers is unusually strong. And it's always hilarious to see the customary Boomer shock at the idea that not only are they not universally admired for their intrinsic wonderfulness, but hated and despised.

You can do better? Okay, quit whining and show me.

We're not whining at all. Your generation are the whiners. This is us celebrating the moment we have been waiting for. The Baby Boomers finally being forced to confront the inevitability of their mortality.

Look, in a generational cohort, obviously not everyone is in sync with the generational vibe. But it is all-too-typically Boomer to assume that because succeeding generations hate your generation, they must hate ME! If you never bought into the whole obnoxious special flower theme, if you never believed that your generation would change the world for the better, if you aren't still insisting that the music from the late sixties and early seventies is the peak of Man's musical accomplishment, we probably don't hate you. Just your generational cohorts.

Deal with it. I know it may be hard for you to even grasp the concept, but our feelings are every bit as real and valid as yours ever were.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 11:46 AM  

Yeah, and the new generation is doing SOOO much better.

A lot of improvements are pending, waiting for the Boomers to die, to put it bluntly. In the Catholic Church, for instance, there's a traditional core that's stuck it out through all the post-Vatican II lunacy; and the younger generations don't have a dog in the tradition-versus-modernism fight, so they won't be that hard to bring along. But the Boomers still hold the positions of power, and they'd sooner be burned alive than wear a veil or kneel down to receive Communion.

But they're dying. The younger traditionalists know that, so there's no point in fighting the Boomers for every scrap when they can put the energy into building up their small communities and preparing for when the Boomers are out of the way. The Boomers know it too -- know that many of their innovations won't survive them by much -- and that infuriates them and makes them fight to hold on that much longer. But the clock is ticking.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 11:48 AM  

When you get to 70, if ever – and are faced finally with the certainty that you too will soon die – perhaps you will see things a little differently, develop a little depth, a little courtesy, perhaps?

That's an almost perfect example of the Boomer inability to understand GenX. Unlike your generation, we've always known we were going to die. We were told we might die in nuclear fire at any time from the time we were in grade school. We never believed ourselves to be immortal.

And that's why we've always thought your generation was such an idiotic collection of stupid narcissists. Because so many of you quite clearly did.

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 11:49 AM  

"Old Age Is Harder For Us Than Anyone Ever!"

Reminds me of a story my aunt told me. My Great Grandmother and her Husband at one point went to visit her mother (my 2nd great grandmother) in a state home that she was living in because she didn't have much and it amounted to basically one room and a couple nails to hang her meager belongings on. He basically took one look and was like 'get you're stuff, you're not staying here, you're coming and living with us." Now could you imagine any boomer actually being generous enough to help their own elders like that? Also, sorta pops their little "oh getting old is so HARD" bubble when they probably have the most comfortable situation for getting old for several generations.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 11:50 AM  

"We were told we might die in nuclear fire at any time from the time we were in grade school."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60

Anonymous Stilicho August 31, 2014 11:54 AM  

Boomers truly are the snowflake generation. Naturally, they cannot melt away without leaving a nasty mess behind.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 11:59 AM  

bob k. mando: "more boomers voted for Obama over McCain in 2008."

Not according to the numbers you linked to. Boomers split down the middle (the 1 percent difference is well within the poll's margin of error). It was the younger demographic which broke decidedly for Obama.

And did you check out the 2012 results? Boomers voted AGAINST Obama by wide margins.

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_12.html

My original assertion stands: it wasn't boomers who put Obama in the White House.

Xer: "According to your own narcissistic ramblings you clowns are the stalwarts of the universe that upraised western civilization to new heights"

Wow, talk about reading comprehension issues. You would no doubt be happy to quote anything I've said that even remotely resembles your little strawman here.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 12:01 PM  

We never believed ourselves to be immortal.

Yeah, I actually laughed out loud at the first line about how they were told they'd be "forever young," as if they were tricked somehow. The TV tells me that if I drink the right brand of beer, gorgeous women will swarm around me -- but I don't actually believe it and complain when they fail to appear.

Besides, who was telling the Boomers they'd be forever young except for other Boomers? Their parents certainly coddled them -- not wanting their children to have to suffer from war and depression as they did -- but I don't think they promised them an endless party of surfing and getting high. Boomers sold that fantasy to themselves.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 12:01 PM  

"Wow, talk about reading comprehension issues. You would no doubt be happy to quote anything I've said that even remotely resembles your little strawman here."

Yeah well I only have my boomer publik skrewl teachers to thank for that?

Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 12:06 PM  

How funny, your video show how you will survive it!

Nuclear death, ice age death, warmth death and climate change death. All your little games to have it your way.

"@ kfg August 31, 2014 11:50 AM
"We were told we might die in nuclear fire at any time from the time we were in grade school."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60"

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 12:07 PM  

Speaking of Sam Cooke though, if I black man wearing nothing by a Jacket and Shoes broke into an office and charged at a woman, she'd probably be charged with a hate crime for shooting him.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 12:09 PM  

"Not according to the numbers you linked to. Boomers split down the middle (the 1 percent difference is well within the poll's margin of error). It was the younger demographic which broke decidedly for Obama."

And there were no boomers at all that were promoting Obozo now were there? The media was run by a bunch of young people right Stefani? Keep proving how idiotic boomers are Stefani it's not like there aren't enough examples already.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 12:14 PM  

To all the Boomers whose feelings are wounded: Read the linked article. Then tell me: does the theme resonate with you or do you find yourself thinking: "what a complete jackass!"

Do tell.

I didn't invent these things. Boomers did. I'm simply sharing my reaction to them, a reaction that many in my generational cohort happen to share.

Blogger kurt9 August 31, 2014 12:19 PM  

The WW 2 Generation seems to like to declare themselves the greatest generation. I think they are the ones who really screwed the pooch and may ultimately have destroyed America. All kinds of government programs, socialism, government certified experts, etc. that all benefitted THEM. Then all tuned up by Reagan to benefit them EVEN MORE! Then Dubya doing it again with Medicare part D.

These are after all the ones who kept electing FDR as he ran roughshod over the constitution, then flipped and backed McCarthyism, loved the Dick President, etc.

I assume opposition to euthanasia is based on the fear that it may be pushed onto people who don't want it in pursuit of "medical efficiency".

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 12:19 PM  

"How funny, your video show how you will survive it!"

The video was neither made nor believed by Boomers. It's a null argument. Instead of doubling down, find a better one.

Blogger Jeff Burton August 31, 2014 12:20 PM  

Yeah, I get a little emotional about having grown up in the shadow of the Baby Boom. It was like someone grabbed be by the neck and rubbed my nose in their music, their fads, their hangups, their narcissism. But what I really resent is the Sexual Revolution, the single most destructive thing to happen to America in 50 years. Totally their fault.

Anonymous Laz August 31, 2014 12:23 PM  

I'll be 40 in a couple of months and I was always the odd one out growing up because I wasn't a latch key kid and my parents weren't divorced. Literally had one friend ever who's parents were still together. So yes, in my eyes it's the boomers' fault.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 12:24 PM  

We were told we might die in nuclear fire at any time from the time we were in grade school.

And we were not? Remember "duck and cover"? Oh, that's right, that was fifteen years before you were born....

We never believed ourselves to be immortal.

Well, I'm not really up on the whole "generations" thing, so I'm not sure who "we" is in this case. However, from the behavior of the vast majority of the population, of whom the majority are now well under "boomer" age, I don't really buy this. If your "generation" really knows so much better than mine, they're concealing it well.

I don't know quite who it is that you're so mad at. The "special snowflake" self-image is certainly not unique to any particular "generation"; it is a universal attribute of the young. Or the never-grown-up. Apparently you're still mad at your parents, which at your age I'd expect you to have gotten over.

A lot of improvements are pending, waiting for the Boomers to die....

Again, if what I see here is an example of the "superiority" of later "generations", I must say I'm not impressed. At all. Nor do I expect there will be any significant improvement after we "old fogies" die off. Change, yes, of course. The cycles will go on. People will lurch from "left" totalitarianism to "right" totalitarianism, then back again.

From Godless libertinism to some form of fanatic religion – which will turn most off enough to lurch back to Godlessness again. Proponents of Christianity seem to forget that most of the West once was Christian – and that the behavior of the Christian Church might have had something to do with why that changed. (For instance, my father was brought up Presbyterian, which was exactly why I wasn't.)

You don't remember, of course, but many of us had the same attitudes when we were young about our elders. "Why'd you bequeath us such a disaster?" "Don't trust anyone over 30!" Then, of course, time being what it is, we turned 30 ourselves.... Some of us outgrew them, and went on to do what we could to improve ourselves. May you do the same.

Yawn. Human nature shows no sign of any real change. "Boomers" are not the cause of the problems you face. Nor will their die-off be the solution. You'll have to find that yourselves. Good luck. I mean it.

Anonymous Noah B. August 31, 2014 12:24 PM  

"At least 18 out of 20 don't even know it is the name of a musician."

It still wouldn't surprise me for a classroom of students to claim they know his music even if they don't. In humanities classes, sucking up is the most important aspect of getting a good grade.

Anonymous farmer Tom August 31, 2014 12:24 PM  

Stupid people.

This is the same generation which proclaimed God is dead.

"For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened."

The worshipped themselves more than the Creator and believed themselves to be immortal, like gods

And they forgot this, Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

They are not looking forward to any of that.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 12:26 PM  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 12:27 PM  

"I didn't invent these things. Boomers did."

It's obvious to anybody who isn't a boomer. Shhh don't bother the boomers they're busy navel gazing with their head up their ass.

Anonymous takin' a look August 31, 2014 12:32 PM  

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/business/increasingly-retirees-dump-their-possessions-and-hit-the-road.html?from=promo

This pisses me off in a huge way. Fucking worthless pieces of navel gazing trash.

Anonymous Snowflake zen0 August 31, 2014 12:41 PM  

It was like someone grabbed be (me) by the neck and rubbed my nose in their music, their fads, their hangups, their narcissism.

I am of the accursed generation, and it was like that for me, too.

I think there is a word for that, let me see, oh yah ...... "marketing".

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 12:44 PM  

takin' a leak... why would this piss you off? because they didn't give you their stuff when they left? Because you ain't in their inheritance because they are spending it?
They are fulfilling a dream, don't you have a dream?

Anonymous kh123 August 31, 2014 12:49 PM  

Looking up where the term "latchkey kid" first came into circulation. The claim is that it was an NBC documentary from '44 describing kids who had a dad away during WWII. The more detailed sites tend to roughly chronicle the increase/decrease of latchkey homes since; the upswing seems to have happened around the 70's, which if accurate would correspond with Vox's past observation re: number of women entering the workforce exceeding men leaving it.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 31, 2014 12:55 PM  

For the most part it wasn't the American boomers that caused these problems. It was the scum of Eastern European ghettos who started coming here in the 1930s and their children that really caused the decline in America.

Anonymous sawtooth August 31, 2014 12:58 PM  

Boomer version of the mullet;... bald on top with dried up, dirty grey pony tail
down behind.

I like the original mullets so much more . You know those ones that those very same boomers used to snort at.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 1:00 PM  

"And there were no boomers at all that were promoting Obozo now were there? The media was run by a bunch of young people right Stefani?"

So your point is, what, Xer? That your generation was too stupid to see through the media lies? Boomers did. Why didn't you?

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 1:02 PM  

Stefani Monaghan, Xer and takin' a leak, VD and the others are projecting, I don't think they understand that concept. I guess age does have it's rewards.

Blogger justaguy August 31, 2014 1:05 PM  

Boomers are the new "Greatest Generation" We (I am a Boomer) entered the workforce in droves, worked harder and more than anyone else, made do with the screwed-up situation the sixties left us (we weren't in power until the late 70s to now), and have been trying to fix what our parents, the supposedly Greatest Generation left us...An immigration act that lets over 1 million un-assimilated, low educated, non-western value-less citizens in every year that now outvote the boomers. Look at the last few elections, the Boomers (white and educated Hispanic of the Boomer Era) voted republican in great numbers. What happened-- millions newly immigrated citizens outvoted us. Add to that the deplorable rulings that allow open and across party primaries, and the Republicans can't even pick their own candidates. Don't blame Obama on us. Boomers are the most conservative group in the country.

The mess inherited by the Boomers-- we didn't fix it. We tried, but we couldn't. We were outvoted! As a nation, Boomers, when in their prime went conservative in the late 70s through the early 2000s. (Clinton didn't get a majority of votes and spoiler Perot got him elected.) Once we got working, we gave up our young rebellion and joined society--well most of us.

The nation followed us,conservative when we were in our prime, but the numbers of other than Boomers added up. -- we are no longer conservative nation

Yes, society has changed. Yes technology helped change values, the pill, open information, and future shock has changed things. However, in terms of a group- the Boomers (I use White and educated Hispanics born from 46 to 64) worked more, included our wives in the workforce, and now most of us are enjoying the fruit of our labors. We were also taxed more-- think the SS tax increases in the 80's when we got to our prime. The good times of the economy--that was when we were in our prime. The next generation is in its prime--and they don't work as much, or as smart and the economy is in the doldrums... Maybe they can fix the immigration and assimilation mess and actually start to reform our country into a group with coherent values. Maybe not. Hopefully we will do better than anyone else-- our problems pale when compared to Europe's.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 1:07 PM  

VD August 31, 2014 10:42 AM

Their parents were the "Greatest Generation" ... New Deal state-worshipping FDR-sucking warmongering drones.

Someone has to bear the blame for telling them they were the specialist, most wonderful little people in the history of Man. Talk about good intentions going awry....


Well, that was the generation that paid attention to Dr. Spock, Freud, and Darwin. Predictable result.

Anonymous Another Xer August 31, 2014 1:10 PM  

Fuck you, boomers, you suck. Hurry up and die already!

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 1:15 PM  

Fuck you, boomers, you suck. Hurry up and die already! No other argument in his vast archive of esoteric slang or sayings... I weep for this generation.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 1:22 PM  

Phllalethes: "Again, if what I see here is an example of the "superiority" of later "generations", I must say I'm not impressed."

That bears repeating, along with your earlier, "if you want to criticize your elders, the most effective way to do so would be to do better."

But of course they haven't. All they've got is reruns of the same excuses we used.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 1:24 PM  

And Cederq just proves Boomer inability to look at things objectively. Argument after argument is presented, yet he has the gall to make this proclamation.

Blogger papabear August 31, 2014 1:25 PM  

"However, in terms of a group- the Boomers (I use White and educated Hispanics born from 46 to 64) worked more, included our wives in the workforce... "

wage slavery at its most delusional

Blogger hank.jim August 31, 2014 1:27 PM  

What's up with enjoying 50 year old music as if that's cool? Weird to think that's important. Hint: I never replaced my record albums after my vinyl's went obsolete. Being cool isn't what old people are. They retire and leave the world's stage. I'm technically a baby boomer as my birth year is mid 1960's, but I never thought my beliefs matched theirs. I'm still more than a decade away from retirement and I hope I make it.

Anonymous Quartermain August 31, 2014 1:29 PM  

I blame the corrupt "elite" that run the country and the institutions.

I blame the Media, Academia and Government.

While we are blaming this generation or that generation, why not just blame the 20th century.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 1:30 PM  

rycamor, What argument? All I ever see is the same whiny crap from your vaulted generation x,z m, or whatever flavor. I see no substantive, compelling argument to bolster your case. Boomer this and Boomer that, don't you have a tit to suck on?

Anonymous sawtooth August 31, 2014 1:30 PM  

Boomers used to rally around pithy little sayings such as "question authority", and "do your own thing (maaaan)".

How times have changed. Now it's more like: "pucker up so as to kiss the bottom of the boot as it presses down on your face"

Mother effing hypocrites.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 1:39 PM  

rycamor, I had to listen to the same whiny crap growing up in the 60s from your parents protesting and having love-ins and sticking it to the man crap, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Same whiny crap from them, same whiny crap now from their spawn.

Anonymous The Anti-Gnostic August 31, 2014 1:44 PM  

I'm 50 years old and I don't know who the hell Sam Cooke is.

Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 1:47 PM  

We boomers didn't massive vote for Obama, only the vibrant filled generations after us.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 1:49 PM  

See. we have to spell it out for them...

@Cederq, every time Vox posts something regarding Boomers it is an indictment of a narcissistic, solipsist mindset. A mindset is not a set of voting records, or a particular socioeconomic statistic. It is an encompassing way of seeing the world, and you are proving it. Boomers identify. You see "Boomer" as an all-encompassing thing, so when someone makes *any* observation about the Boomers--even one that the boomers themselves are freely admitting (or celebrating), you get your dander up and go all Yosemite Sam with arguments flying in all directions.

A thoughtful person capable of reason and self-reflection should be able to see the flaws in his or any other generation and discuss them frankly. We Gen-X guys have absolutely zero problems discussing the flaws and weaknesses of our generation. Because we don't identify en masse as some special chosen group. I am not my generation. I am just a person who happens to be *of* a certain generation.

Now back to Vox's original post, and I'll walk through this carefully: do you think it is contemptible of a preponderance of people in a generation--yours in this case--to be so self-involved as to be unable to deal with the simple fact of growing older and passing out of primary relevance in the world? Is that a contemptible thing? A yes or no answer is what I'm looking for.

Anonymous takin' a look August 31, 2014 1:49 PM  

Thank you rycamor-

I mean, look at this, a total aversion to responsibility and shifting it all on the younger generations or the older ones. Jesus Christ weeps, what, they hadn't figured it out by the Gordon Gekko, JB Campbell years?!?! No, these "thirtysomethings" were still navel gazing.

And only a boomer would sink so low as to think I wanted their monies. No, I am jealous of their monies, their successes and how they will get to go into the Long Night without ever doing a single, solitary, truly selfless act either collectively or individually. 77 million of the most coddled Jew mindfucked mimetics this world has ever seen.

Watch, they will still not get it. They will take that second sentence of the second paragraph as some sort of Freudian slip.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 1:54 PM  

What was my reaction to the article? Empathy, of course. Every generation will one day have to deal with the issue of aging. Now it's our turn. Yours will come.

What I did not find in the article was any support for VD's condescending, "Now they have discovered that they are the first generation in human history to grow old". Old age doesn't sneak up on anyone. It arrives long before you expect it and long before you're prepared for it. It will do the same for you.

And when that day comes, your children's generation will whine about the mess they inherited from you. Just as we complained about our parents' mess, and just as you're complaining about our failings now. Even your complaints here are unoriginal.

Twenty years from now some thirty-something journalist will dig up this article, copy-replace "boomer" with "Gen-X", and the article will be just as relevant as it is today.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 1:54 PM  

"Same whiny crap from them, same whiny crap now from their spawn."

Fortunately no one had to listen to whiny crap out of the Frankfurt School. Everything that happened in the 60s was created de novo by children.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 2:00 PM  

Twenty years from now some thirty-something journalist will dig up this article, copy-replace "boomer" with "Gen-X", and the article will be just as relevant as it is today.

Sigh...

No, my friend. The mindset is completely different. If anything, the flaw of the Gen-X group is a too much fatalism and self-defeating prophecy.

Anonymous Sean August 31, 2014 2:01 PM  

You don't remember, of course, but many of us had the same attitudes when we were young about our elders. "Why'd you bequeath us such a disaster?" "Don't trust anyone over 30!"..."

Oh, we remember. You've never let us forget.

"takin' a leak... why would this piss you off? because they didn't give you their stuff when they left?"

It's because they have no desire to help, support, or love the upcoming generations (perhaps for the best, since we'd like to contain their influence). And spare us your "we did our time/share" response. Do they not have grandchildren? We see the selfishness and it sickens us.

Many of us work with immigrants. It is very common for the parents of the grandchildren to visit for 6 months or more to help with the grandchildren. We see the Japanese elders volunteer for Fukushima cleanup! Your generation is incapable of making such as sacrifice.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 2:04 PM  

This is the same generation which proclaimed God is dead.

Really? Nietszsche was a Boomer? Learn something new every day. I'll resist the temptation to Godwin the thread....

more boomers voted for Obama over McCain in 2008.

Whether or not this is true (I don't care), the real problem is that anybody voted for either of them. The Con Man vs. the Mad Man. Some choice. Especially given that there was a real choice that year – the only time I can remember in American politics. That was the year I finally gave up on politics – as well as my "generation".

To all the Boomers whose feelings are wounded: Read the linked article. Then tell me: does the theme resonate with you or do you find yourself thinking: "what a complete jackass!"

Neither, as it happens. It's kind of silly, yes, but not surprising. Now that I've passed the threshold, I honestly can't believe that anybody can really know what it's like to grow old until they actually experience it. But youth never learns; how can it? Only time teaches these lessons. Or, if you're "lucky", a truly life-threatening encounter some time in your life might help.

...we probably don't hate you. Just your generational cohorts.

I don't hate anybody, never have. It just doesn't seem a productive attitude. Nor is it recommended by my religion. The Buddha likened cultivating hatred to "taking poison in the hope that it will kill your enemy".

...but our feelings are every bit as real and valid as yours ever were.

Not very big on "feelings". As John Ross put it, "A man is true to his word. A woman is true to her feelings." Which are you?

Yeah well I only have my boomer publik skrewl teachers to thank for that?

If you know enough to know you were lied to, you know enough to seek the truth. That's the nature of this life: We all have circumstances to overcome. Rather than nourishing anger toward your parents, I suggest you ask yourself why you chose to be born when and where you did, and what can you learn from it? Or are you just a "victim"? If so, then there's nothing you can do, and you have no hope at all. If this is the best you can come up with, you're no better than the "boomers" you criticize. At least a lot of us made an effort.

I didn't invent these things. Boomers did.

Boomers did not "invent" feeling sad at growing old. People have been doing that for a long time. Unfortunately, nowadays the former compensating factors – respect for the aged and elders – no longer exist.

"... they are now the ones closest to obsolescence, the ones the world can do without."

That's the real problem. There are no elders any more, even the concept has been forgotten. And with good reason, though I'm not sure exactly how it happened.

It's true my generation gave up on our "elders"; how could we not? They simply had no credibility any more. Some of us turned to the elders of the indigenous tribes, but were told "We're not your elders; you should go the elders of your tribe." But there weren't any. I remember when I saw Ronald Reagan on the teevee once; he really pissed me off, with that "avuncular" manner – when I knew he was just as big a liar as the rest of them.

A lot of Ron Paul's appeal is that he's a believable – even reverable, not to mention lovable – elder. I had the privilege of meeting him in 1988, and was most impressed. The room felt different with him in it. He's only eight years older than I, but seeing/hearing him speak, I feel a tremendous relief. Finally, a real elder! What's his secret? Why, he speaks the truth. Imagine that!

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 2:06 PM  

They really can't see it. Thinking over Vox's posts about the Boomers the past few years, I don't think one Boomer in 20 commenting here actually said something like "Yes. This is a sad fact about my generation. Even if me and my friends weren't guilty of [whichever specific thing Vox was posting], we saw it all around us."

And think about this: Vox's commenters are mostly the rare 130+ IQ people who are thirsting for knowledge and understanding, and can think objectively. What must the average Boomer's reaction be like?

Anonymous kh123 August 31, 2014 2:07 PM  

One of the highlights of VP is the point of the post being displayed in real time on the comment thread. Vox's silence, or his allowing the loquacious to do their thing, tends to mean that a lesson's on display: Watch carefully as the big shiny red button is pushed and the Rube Goldberg trap is sprung.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 2:07 PM  

Rica or: "do you think it is contemptible of a preponderance of people in a generation--yours in this case--to be so self-involved as to be unable to deal with the simple fact of growing older and passing out of primary relevance in the world?"

Contemptible? Here's a revelation: It's universal. *Every* generation has to "deal with the simple fact of growing older." If you think you won't be dealing with the same issue twenty years from now, then it's not us boomers who are doing the navel gazing.

Oh, I know. You're convinced you'll handle it oh-so-much better than we are. Thing is, even *that* is not an original thought.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 2:08 PM  

Yes, and only a simple yes. Now the harder yes, When a majority of that generation is self centered,narcissistic, and spoiled, there is concern about the passing relevance in the world and their inability to deal with it. I agree that most of "my" generation is a fucked up mess, what riles me is "your" generation inability to discern that there might be some of us that are just as appalled and contemptuous as you are. Some of us had to live through that crap and really, age does bring some wisdom and discernment, some of us don't see any difference in the attitudes, the slogans, and deportment of today's generations and their inability to really be doing truly selfless acts. Looky here, it's the new boss, same as the old boss...

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 2:09 PM  

See? See?

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 2:15 PM  

"One of the highlights of VP is the point of the post being displayed in real time on the comment thread. Vox's silence, or his allowing the loquacious to do their thing, tends to mean that a lesson's on display: Watch carefully as the big shiny red button is pushed and the Rube Goldberg trap is sprung."

Proverbs 1:17 Lol. With boomer idiots it's the big shiny red button.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 2:22 PM  

"Vox's silence . . ."

He has spoken, and made the single worst argument I have ever seen him make. Worse than any argument he has made about subjects over which he has since changed his mind.

This does not in any way imply that his position is wrong, but it does mean that he needs to abandon that particular argument and replace it with a better one.

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 2:24 PM  

I didn't invent these things. Boomers did.

"Boomers did not "invent" feeling sad at growing old. People have been doing that for a long time. Unfortunately, nowadays the former compensating factors – respect for the aged and elders – no longer exist."

When boomers are the aged elders, try to guess why

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 2:25 PM  

Rycamor: "I don't think one Boomer in 20 commenting here actually said something like "Yes. This is a sad fact about my generation.""

Really? I saw at least three boomers say as much right here in this thread.

The real bemusement to us boomers in this discussion is the attitude of condescension on display by the post-boomer cohort, as if yours is the first generation to think it's beyond it's elders' comprehension.

Hint: you didn't invent THAT thought, either.

Blogger ray August 31, 2014 2:27 PM  

The CRA(p) was legislated in 1963 -- the Act that mandated that your daughters, wives, mommies etc now were Protected Classes, with separate systems of law, of justice, of opportunity, etc. The enabling legislation of modern feminism and of the modern Identity State.

So unless Them Bestial Booms also were responsible for THAT (at a median age of mebbe14) then this post is, as usual, mostly more whiny butthurtedness from folks looking to negate and blame, not create.

Duped and vain as the Booms were (are) they were overshadowed by the punks, nihilists, urban hipocrites, etc. that 'reacted' against the astonishing genius of the Sixties by producing... nothing, pretty much, except vitriol and accusation. Oh no wait, they did invent/popularize black clothing, harshing, and endless complaing about how Somebody Else messed it all up. Cuz that's a LOT (whole lot) easier than grinding down and attempting to produce works of merit and genius oneself. Thus the Age of Deconstruction was born, throughout the land. If ya can't best 'em, hate 'em!

LOL!

Here's a piece that speaks precisely to the 'zeitgeist' of anti-Sixites yappery--


http://apocalypsecometh.com/envy-2/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=envy-2

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 2:28 PM  

@kgf,

It's not an argument. It's a portrayal. One in which baby Boomers themselves are happily participating. Read the article. It's not written by Gen Xers or Millenials. It doesn't quote anyone but the Boomers. It's simply a window for the rest of us into a way of thinking. Those of us who are not Boomers look at it with blank amazement (or just dunderstruck confusion, in the case of the Millenials). But obviously it struck a responsive nerve with Boomer readers and Boomer decision-makers or it would not have been published.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 2:31 PM  

@Stefani Monaghan,

You are reinventing what I'm saying, both times. That's called a straw man. Reading comprehension, try it.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 2:34 PM  

" . . .they did invent/popularize black clothing . . ."

That would have been the Beats and Labor organizers of the 40s and 50s.

Bikers were their as early as the 20s.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 2:44 PM  

"t's not an argument. It's a portrayal."

So a feeling then, not an argument. Not his usual style.

However, the specific claim to which I refer is that what distinguishes his generation from the Boomers is that his grew up under perceived threat of imminent nuclear annihilation.

It is not so bad as to not even be wrong, but it is wrong enough to be silly on it's face. He can do much better than that.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 2:46 PM  

You see "Boomer" as an all-encompassing thing, so when someone makes *any* observation about the Boomers--even one that the boomers themselves are freely admitting (or celebrating), you get your dander up and go all Yosemite Sam with arguments flying in all directions.

Ah, the old moving target. I thought only libprogs and feminists did that. The target specified in the attack was general and categorical; since I am – by some definitions – within the category, I thought I'd amuse myself by pecking out a response.

We Gen-X guys have absolutely zero problems discussing the flaws and weaknesses of our generation.

Really? I hadn't noticed. I'd suggest that might be a better avenue to pursue.

"Usually when someone believes in a particular religion, his attitude becomes more and more a sharp angle pointing away from himself. In our way the point of the angle is always towards ourselves." – Shunryu Suzuki

I am not my generation. I am just a person who happens to be *of* a certain generation. ... We Gen-X guys....

Oh. I see.

I don't think one Boomer in 20 commenting here actually said something like "Yes. This is a sad fact about my generation. Even if me and my friends weren't guilty of [whichever specific thing Vox was posting], we saw it all around us."

Ah, so it's a Self-Criticism session? Long live the proletariat!

When boomers are the aged elders, try to guess why

Reading comprehension fail. I did.

Theodore Sturgeon came up with an interesting idea in his classic novel Venus Plus X. (I've wondered why it never seems to be mentioned as one of the SF works exploring "gender issues". Maybe because of the ending.) Everybody in his "utopia" carried around a little device; if ever you found yourself being accosted by somebody broadcasting hatred, you'd just press a little switch and the person would suddenly be faced with a mirror – and see just what they looked and felt like at that moment. Very effective.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 2:48 PM  

I agree that most of "my" generation is a fucked up mess, what riles me is "your" generation inability to discern that there might be some of us that are just as appalled and contemptuous as you are.

Where are we showing any inability to do that? You're flat-out wrong. You're IGNORING the fact that we do just that, while you leap to the defense of your entire generational cohort. Because Boomer.

"Oh noes, someone doesn't admire my generation, the specialist generation ever!"

The mere fact that an unflattering comment about your generation irritates or upsets you at all is a VERY Boomer characteristic. Because you guys are the ones who identify emotionally with your generation and think it is special.

No one else does. Not before, not since.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 2:52 PM  

However, the specific claim to which I refer is that what distinguishes his generation from the Boomers is that his grew up under perceived threat of imminent nuclear annihilation. It is not so bad as to not even be wrong, but it is wrong enough to be silly on it's face. He can do much better than that.

No, you narcissistic moron. That's not the specific claim at all. The specific claim is that your generation of idiot narcissists grew up thinking that you'd never die and that you'd be forever young, while my generation did not. Did you even read the freaking Boomer-written article?

You Boomers have simply never grown up. You still haven't. You collectively never recovered from being told how special and wonderful you were. But the thing is, it wasn't true.

Blogger Robert What? August 31, 2014 3:00 PM  

Believe it or not there are still a few of us boomers out there being productive and paying taxes. Of course most of my taxes will be going to pay for the retirements of the nonproductive boomers. Which means I probably won't ever be able to retire since I'll be helping pay the six figure pension for the retired boomer public school principal. Hmmm... being a productive member of society seems to be a loosing bet.

Blogger Patrick August 31, 2014 3:06 PM  

Well, the Boomer invented sex. Of course their parents were pretty good at it too. And maybe the Boomer while having invented sex didn't quite perfect it since what followed them was a dearth, but the point remains the same. The Boomers invented sex and so are special.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:06 PM  

You collectively never recovered from being told how special and wonderful you were.

Really? I don't recall ever having been told any such thing. First, my father told me quite directly and consistently for 15 years that I was worthless and would never amount to anything. Then my parents' entire generation told me I was full of crap when I began to question all the lies I'd been told and taught. And now kids like you are giving me grief for being alive. I've never thought of myself as "special and wonderful". I've been trying to be a decent human being, sometimes succeeding, sometimes not.

I must say, Vox, your posts I generally find interesting and often even enlightening. But this time you're really off your ass. You really have a fixation, which doesn't do you credit. "Feelings", apparently. Get over it. Even when your parents' generation have all died, you'll still have problems. And they will be yours, not mine. Better to start addressing them now.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell August 31, 2014 3:09 PM  

Probably because this "generational warfare" was BS when the Boomers complained about it.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:11 PM  

VD really? Any mention from us "boomers" about your supposed enlightened generation you all go into spastic contortions and name calling and how evil and narcissistic we of the "boomer" gen are... I haven't heard one constructive criticism of your enlightened generation then what was said when we were at your age now, it is nothing but a big circle jerk of an argument what came to past is what is coming to past.
We are as aware of the pending doom, as we were aware of it then. What really surprises me is your so called intelligence and reasoning is you can't seem to get beyond this firewall. I have maintained my talented mid-wit position on this blog and others. What I don't see is your intelligence as anything to be envious of, nothing to aspire to in my mid-wittiness...

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:12 PM  

Didn't somebody famous once say something about not making a fuss about the chip in another's eye while there is a plank in your own? Seems to me I heard that somewhere.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 3:14 PM  

"No, you narcissistic moron."

You can do better than that as well.

"The specific claim is that your generation of idiot narcissists grew up thinking that you'd never die . . ."

And that yours did not, because you grew up under the threat of nuclear annihilation. Again, you may not be wrong in your premise, but your substantiating claim is, as well as negating your premise.

And I could be a Silent blaming my own generation for what we foisted upon the Boomers. Silents have to own up to Steinem, Dylan, Lennon, Hanoi Jane, et al, although Alinsky was of the generation that fathered the Greatest.

Boomers are still waiting for Kissinger and Brzezinski to die so that they can come to power. At the moment the highest seats of power are held by Greatest and Silents.

"Did you even read the freaking Boomer-written article?"

Yes, and I find it appalling.

Blogger Miss Conduct August 31, 2014 3:15 PM  

I yield to no one in my intemperate hatred of boomers (I'm a late-life genx child of greatest gen parents) but LOVE SAM COOKE. I wish very much that the late 60s/early 70s WASN'T the peak of man's musical accomplishment but I'm beginning to fear that it is. Jazz, R&B, and rock are but shadows of what they once were. The music business is struggling to stay alive financially and few artists get the generous studio budgets of yore. Yeah, everybody can make music in their bedroom and distribute it ... that's great, I'm for it, but we aren't getting the quality of musicianship that Stax and Motown and Fame and Muscle Shoals and Verve and Blue Note et al produced.

But since I'm not getting any younger myself there's no telling what I've missed. I don't go to clubs or shows anymore.

I have had many very young coworkers and one thing I have noticed is that some do really dig the music of previous generations. They're generally pretty ignorant about musical styles and history but 80s hair metal (of all things) and classic R & B have young fans.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 3:19 PM  

"First, my father told me quite directly and consistently for 15 years that I was worthless and would never amount to anything. Then my parents' entire generation told me I was full of crap when I began to question all the lies I'd been told and taught."

Hmmm. The Greatest generation doesn't sound that bad.

Anonymous RedJack August 31, 2014 3:20 PM  

I find it funny that the boomers defending their generation from stereotypes act them out

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:21 PM  

So, Miss Conduct, you are a menopause baby? How wonderful for you... to be an "oppps" child...

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:24 PM  

Hmmm. The Greatest generation doesn't sound that bad.

And your point? I should have just swallowed the lies without question? If this is an example of "Generation X" thinking, again I'm not impressed.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:27 PM  

Stefani: Thanks for your posts. A pleasure to read.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 3:27 PM  

"And your point? I should have just swallowed the lies without question?

You did anyway. You couldn't grok truth if it bit you on the ass and this thread is proof of it.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:28 PM  

Philalethes, Do you even think we could get a meaningful dialogue with the Gen X crowd here? I don't think so, too much hatred, too much penis envy and too much victim-hood going on...

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:31 PM  

You couldn't grok truth if it bit you on the ass and this thread is proof of it. xer, whose truth? yours? propaganda? What is truth? Seems to me it is percection, do ylou not acknowledge there are many truths? And as many lies?

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 3:34 PM  

"When boomers are the aged elders, try to guess why

Reading comprehension fail. I did."

The fail is yours. The fact that you didn't even consider that lack of respect for the elders is due to the Boomers being those elders and not warranting that respect speaks volumes.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:37 PM  

You couldn't grok truth if it bit you on the ass and this thread is proof of it.

The truth about what? Please specify.

Do you even think we could get a meaningful dialogue with the Gen X crowd here?

Probably not. Like I said, though I could have claimed exemption from the "Boomers" category, I thought I'd amuse myself by responding to the slurs. I thought this was supposed to be a place where intelligent thinkers hang out, but the evidence is certainly trending otherwise. The world goes on, and those who refuse to learn from history will have to repeat it.

The linked article was silly and shallow, yes. Most people are shallow. That's news? Perhaps all these proud, arrogant "Gen-Xers" will welcome the challenges of aging and death when they come, as they certainly will. But I doubt it. Pride and arrogance are poor preparation for that encounter.

Anonymous dc red dogs August 31, 2014 3:37 PM  

Some Boomer facts (I hate the word Boomer, by the way, it is demeaning to any group of people to refer to them by something their parents did - I only use if for convenience sake) 45K plus Boomer dead in Vietnam, mostly infantry: Boomers in many units of the infantry ran at least a 1 in 10 chance of being killed; that is possibly a quarter of a million ground pounders who ran that risk; many were not draftees (of my 3 close relatives in WWII, 2 out of 3 were not draftees, whereas 2 out of 2 of my cousins in Vietnam volunteered, I think). (next fact is for the Southern Baptists) Boomer Baptists set the ship of the Dallas Theological Seminary straight after pre-Boomers tried to sail it into liberal Episcopalian land; ditto Boomers in many other religious faiths that have helped those faiths reverse course from the liberal utopia hankerings of pre-Boomers. Next, the last time we had a military that was universally feared, it was full of Boomers. Next, I think that about half the children in the US right now whose grandparents are Boomers are in families of 4 or more. I could be wrong on that, but most of them respect their grandparents. ... Not trying to deny the negatives, but just putting things in perspective.

Anonymous DKViking August 31, 2014 3:37 PM  

Boomers intended everything. They questioned their elders, that never happened before. /s

Anonymous Huckleberry - est. 1977 August 31, 2014 3:38 PM  

See, and I think of Boomers listening way more to Eric Clapton, the Beatles and maybe Big Brother and the Holding Company, but the Sam Cookes and Otis Reddings and Wilson Picketts just seem a little, I don't know, out of character.
But what do I know.
Speaking of Sam Cooke, check out his gospel music from when he was with the Soul Stirrers.
I simply can't imagine any me-first Boomer diggin' that at all.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 3:39 PM  

However, in terms of a group- the Boomers (I use White and educated Hispanics born from 46 to 64) worked more, included our wives in the workforce...

Now I know what the response, "Wow. Just wow." was invented for.

Well, that was the generation that paid attention to Dr. Spock, Freud, and Darwin. Predictable result.

True. My impression of the Boomers' parents is that they were completely trusting of authority (and their children reacted by rejecting all traditional authority). Political authorities and scientists had (they thought) won the war and fixed the economy, so if you wore a uniform or a white lab coat or anything labeling you as an expert or an authority, they trusted you. So they sent their kids off to public school and Sunday School, paid their taxes and tithes, and figured that part of their job was done unless a note came home from the teacher. They didn't realize that those institutions had already been infiltrated by communists/modernists and were already teaching things very different from what they were taught.

Anonymous Xer August 31, 2014 3:43 PM  

"The truth about what? Please specify."

The truth that you're idiots.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Boomer Feelings August 31, 2014 3:47 PM  


It's true my generation gave up on our "elders"; how could we not? They simply had no credibility any more.


Ironic, isn't it, boomer boy? Now it is you, the "best educated generation in history" with no credibility. GW Bush? BJ Clinton? Credibility?

Many laugh at you. Even other boomers...

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:48 PM  

Xer August 31, 2014 3:43 PM

"The truth about what? Please specify."

The truth that you're idiots.
Like I said, no constructive criticism... just shallow name calling whiners...

Blogger kurt9 August 31, 2014 3:48 PM  

Guys, the socialism and government intrusion into the economy that ruined our economy started with FDR and grew dramatically during LBJ's "great society" during the 60's. Nixon contributed a lot to it as regulation and regulatory agencies grew dramatically during his administration. Do remember his proclamation that "we are keynesians" when he took down Bretton Woods in 1971. All of these actions took place either before the boomers were even born or during the 1960's and 1970's by government officials and politicians who were of "greatest generation". I think the boomers are catching a lot of the flack that was actually the actions of "greatest generation" people.

If you want a good understanding of the problem, I suggest you read David Stockmans' book "The Great Deformation". Believe me, the rot started long before the boomers came of age. It is worth noting that the boomers really did not become a part of "grown up" society until the late 70's and that they did vote for Reagan in droves. Yes Reagan created problems during his time in office (read Stockman's book for the details). But he and his people were far better than anyone starting with FDR.

The social stuff is really quite superfluous. When there is real economic opportunity, American people of any generation really do pursue productive accomplishment. We say this with the boomers in the 1980's and the Gen Xer's in the mid to late 1990's.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:51 PM  

They wouldn't or couldn't have an original thought if it kicked them in their ipods or mobile device would let them have.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Boomer Feelings August 31, 2014 3:51 PM  

Didn't somebody famous once say something about not making a fuss about the chip in another's eye while there is a plank in your own?

Yeah. It was a Baby Boomer, surely. Because there was no morality, or deep thought, before 1968.

Seems to me I heard that somewhere.

Betcha din't hear it from a Boomer.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 3:56 PM  

I must say, Vox, your posts I generally find interesting and often even enlightening. But this time you're really off your ass. You really have a fixation, which doesn't do you credit. "Feelings", apparently. Get over it.

Right, because I somehow planted that article in the New York Times and invented the concept of Boomer narcissism.

Anonymous Philalethes August 31, 2014 3:57 PM  

The fail is yours. The fact that you didn't even consider that lack of respect for the elders is due to the Boomers being those elders and not warranting that respect speaks volumes.

I understood that was your intended implication. But you didn't read my post, or you would have seen that I had tried to guess why respect for elders has vanished from our culture. As I wrote, it goes back to the elders of my generation at least (i.e. my parents and grandparents), who forfeited that respect by the lies they told us. Of course the lies weren't new, but the one thing I guess my generation could be noted for is that we said they were lies and refused to accept them – some of us, at least, enough to be noticeable. That was new.

It's true, as I've written before, that most of us went on to swallow another set or sets of lies, merely because they were different than the lies we'd rejected. But in that we're no different than any other generation. It's regrettable that few were able to follow through. But no "generation" since has done any better. MPAI and all that.

To paraphrase Vox, I don't expect you to respect me. I don't know that I'm worthy of any special respect, nor do I care, really, what you think of me. Neither, however, from the evidence here, do you seem capable of recognizing what should be respected anyway. So no loss. But of course, you do have free will.

Ironic, isn't it, boomer boy? Now it is you, the "best educated generation in history" with no credibility. GW Bush? BJ Clinton? Credibility?

I'm a college dropout. I may be roughly the same age as Dubya and Willy, but I have nothing more in common with them, despite what you allege. Nor did I put them in office. Let's see, Willy was elected in 1992, at which time Generation X (that's the one that came after the Boomers, right?) was in mid-20s. I don't know the election figures, but certainly if they didn't want him, they could have made a difference then. Oh, but those evil Boomers prevented them somehow. What, Patriarchy? Jeez, you folks sound like a bunch of feminists.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 3:58 PM  

VD, what about gen x narcissism? And in that vein, gen x stupidity?

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Boomer Feelings August 31, 2014 3:58 PM  


And your point? I should have just swallowed the lies without question


This is rich. Since the first Boomer professors began getting tenure in the lat 70's, "swallow the lies without question" has been the rule on college campuses. Now we have senior college administration boomers putting the finishing touches on Fascist "guilty until proven guilty" disciplinary systems to ensure that fewer men will get through college in one piece.

Phallteles, you should look in the mirror. You have become what you hated.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 3:59 PM  

Stefani Monaghan August 31, 2014 2:25 PM
Rycamor: "I don't think one Boomer in 20 commenting here actually said something like "Yes. This is a sad fact about my generation.""

Really? I saw at least three boomers say as much right here in this thread.


Yeah, you guys have accomplished exactly the reverse of "damning with faint praise". Every thing is "well yeah BUT..."

And you were so eagerly foaming at the mouth that you didn't really read what I wrote: thinking back over all Vox's posts on Boomers, not just this one. Most of the Boomers answered each accusation it with a small acknowlegement and then a big hissy fit over why on earth THEY are being singled out, and every generation is just as bad, if not worse, at that exact thing. Just look at the discussion here. You guys simply cannot accept that the portrayal in that article is specific to your generation, and comes from how the culture shifted during your lives. Others did not live that life, in that cultural tsuanmi. Lives being different actually produce different results. Amazing how that works...

Not a single one of us is saying ALL BOOMERS ARE TRASH, or that no Boomer ever accomplished anything of worth. Far from it. People are not defined by their generation unless they choose to be. A comple of my most respected mentors where Boomers. I happen to very much like some Boomer music I grew up with (Rush, Kansas, Cream, The Police). I also, as I explained, am disappointed in the fatalism and somewhat nihilistic attitude I've seen in many of my generation. But I don't accuse Boomers of having those exact same failings.

There, does that make your widdle hurt feelings better?

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 4:01 PM  

" . . .that article in the New York Times . . . "

. . . is pretty much what I would expect from a pampered, middle class, solipsistic . . . woman.

"Can we stay true to our feminism while ceding to our narcissism? "

Anonymous NateM August 31, 2014 4:02 PM  

As I wrote, it goes back to the elders of my generation at least (i.e. my parents and grandparents), who forfeited that respect by the lies they told us. "

To Which I quote yourself "In sum, I would suggest that if you want to criticize your elders, the most effective way to do so would be to do better."

And this was a test the Boomers failed miserably. They wanted to tear at the world with all their might without a single thought in their selfish little heads of what they would build to replace it.

Anonymous That was easy August 31, 2014 4:04 PM  

"I don't know the election figures, but certainly if they didn't want him, they could have made a difference then. Oh, but those evil Boomers prevented them somehow."

Twenty somethings aren't known to be big into turning out to vote. Duh

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 4:06 PM  

To Which I quote yourself "In sum, I would suggest that if you want to criticize your elders, the most effective way to do so would be to do better."

And this was a test the Boomers failed miserably. They wanted to tear at the world with all their might without a single thought in their selfish little heads of what they would build to replace it.

Replace "Boomers" with "Gen Xers." there ya go... circle of circle jerk arguments... nothing original here.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Boomer Feelings August 31, 2014 4:08 PM  

I may be roughly the same age as Dubya and Willy, but I have nothing more in common with them, despite what you allege.

"Mi no Alamo! Mi no Goliad!"

Typical whining boomer. All about the "group this" and "group that" until it's pointed out who is in the group, then it's "Hey! I'm an individual! We are all individuals, here, in the Baby Boom!"

Can't have it both ways, pops. Either you and your g-g-g-generation are a Big Wonder walkint the earth, or you're just a collection of individuals, but not both ways at the same time.

Still ducking responsibility, I see. Free clue: "We didn't believe the old lies! We believed other old lies!" is not exactly a paen to honesty, or integrity, or intelligence. It's the whine of a mark who fell for the pigeon drop.

Blogger rcocean August 31, 2014 4:10 PM  

The Boomer have had a death grip on the culture ever since the mid 60s. TV, music, etc. was all pitched to them. That's why we're still hearing about the Freaking Beatles and the Civil Rights act - 50 years later!

The Boomers were told they were special and that they would change America. Which they did - for the worse.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 4:14 PM  

Hey Philatethes and Stefani Monaghan, lets say fluck it to these kids and go have a beer?

Blogger Danby August 31, 2014 4:16 PM  

I was born in 1959, so on the trailing edge of the baby boom. I watched my older brothers and sisters do all the stupid, narcissistic self-and-society destructive things the boomers are famous for. I decided i didn't want to be like that or to wind up as unhappy as they were making themselves. I read Humanae Vitae and saw the root cause of all the misery.
Sex without consequences.
The boomer generation was the first to believe as a cohort-wide article of faith they could have sex without any sequelae. That sex is a recreational activity analogous to playing checkers. That is what has destroyed and is destroying human society. It's one of the most destructive lies ever promulgated on a people, and one of the most popular.

BTW, all you PUAs are worse for society that the feminists. Just sayin'

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 4:18 PM  

Danby, excuse my ignorance, what is a "PUAs?"

Anonymous kh123 August 31, 2014 4:19 PM  

"DON'T PUSH THAT BUTTON, DAD! IT'S A TRAP!"

~ Allen Ginsberg

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Boomer Feelings August 31, 2014 4:22 PM  

The Boomer have had a death grip on the culture ever since the mid 60s.

Let's put some number on this (BoomerWail: NO, not NUMBERS!). The local oldie radio station plays music from somewhere around 1965 up through 1990 or so. So music that is 50 years old is commonly played.

How many tunes from 1915 were common in 1965? Eh? None? Ditto for 1925, 1935 and 1945. In the sixties, "oldies" apparently meant "50's doo-wop, Elvis, etc.". Nothing more than 10 years old or so was worthy of the great, mighty, civilized ear of the Boomers.

That's an example of the death grip the Boomers have on culture, right there.

My personal opinion is this: I'd rather listen to Louis Armstrong from the 20's than a whole lot of the 60's twaddle. But people like me don't get to program music in radio stations.

Cederq
Hey Philatethes and Stefani Monaghan, lets say fluck it to these kids and go have a beer?


Don't forget the Metamucil chaser.

Anonymous Cederq August 31, 2014 4:24 PM  


Cederq
Hey Philatethes and Stefani Monaghan, lets say fluck it to these kids and go have a beer?


Don't forget the Metamucil chaser.


Hey, at our age it would help...

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 4:27 PM  

"The boomer generation was the first to believe as a cohort-wide article of faith they could have sex without any sequelae."

Where did that idea come from?

Blogger Danby August 31, 2014 4:33 PM  

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Blogger Danby August 31, 2014 4:35 PM  

PUA = Pick Up Artist

"Where did that idea come from?"
Like most of the bad ideas (Marxism, Anti-Christianity, feminism) that the Boomers believe, it's a worn-out, by now obviously false trope from German academics, picked up and disseminated by upper-class Victorian English poets and newspapermen.

I don't see any indication that later generations are giving it up.

Blogger rycamor August 31, 2014 4:41 PM  

The Boomers are just upset that we played Cordelia to their King Lear.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 31, 2014 4:58 PM  

kfg: "Where did that idea come from?"

Hugh Hefner, b. 1926. Mainstreamed pornography in 1953. Opened first Playboy club in 1960. All were made popular by the fathers of the Boomers.

That's what we get for listening to our elders?

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 5:05 PM  

And H.G Wells was born in 1866. Robert Heinlein in 1907.

And Russell Marker in 1939.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 31, 2014 5:17 PM  

Technically, I'm a boomer (58) but the Vietnam war was something I watched on the evening news and I was a bit too young to traipse off to Woodstock alone. Those boomers who reached age 18 in 1967 have a very different history than those of us who turned 18 in 1974.

In fact, the "Generation Jones" element of the boomer clan were the first to feel the effects of America's declining standard of living.

Looking back, I see 1973 as being the beginning of the decline. The price of gasoline quadrupled in less than 6 months.

America was never the same after that.

Anonymous Koi August 31, 2014 5:21 PM  

Well, it's not too late boomers. You're still here. You have nothing much to lose except for your retirement package. Not too late to get the ball rolling on setting things right for future generations. Sure, you might not get that whirlwind tour of Europe, but maybe there is something more important. You could ask why we don't get the ball rolling; well, we're pretty sure you would try to stop us.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2014 5:25 PM  

Of all the things in life that confuse or amaze me, boomer's and their lives take the cake, very seriously.

Blogger Bob August 31, 2014 5:27 PM  

Cailcorishev posted:

"My impression of the Boomers' parents is that they were completely trusting of authority (and their children reacted by rejecting all traditional authority). Political authorities and scientists had (they thought) won the war and fixed the economy, so if you wore a uniform or a white lab coat or anything labeling you as an expert or an authority, they trusted you. So they sent their kids off to public school and Sunday School, paid their taxes and tithes, and figured that part of their job was done unless a note came home from the teacher. They didn't realize that those institutions had already been infiltrated by communists/modernists and were already teaching things very different from what they were taught."

To me, that just about sums up what happened.

Quite blaming this generation or the other. Better place the blame where it belongs, on the rotten scum in those institutions he mentioned that poisoned all those young minds. We would do ourselves well to hunt these scum down and lynch them all... Before they had the opportunity to retire in undeserved comfort.

Be glad I'm not in charge of anything or had some power. There would be hell to pay.

Anonymous Harsh August 31, 2014 5:30 PM  

Philalethes, Do you even think we could get a meaningful dialogue with the Gen X crowd here? I don't think so, too much hatred, too much penis envy and too much victim-hood going on...

I love debating boomer men because they argue so much like women. Don't worry, sweetheart, soon we'll put you all in a nice home somewhere.

Anonymous CorkyAgain August 31, 2014 5:32 PM  

Please boomers do one selfless thing in your life

... it can involve a combustion engine and a garage.


Suicide is a selfish act.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 5:38 PM  

"You could ask why we don't get the ball rolling; well, we're pretty sure you would try to stop us."

When Boomers were your age Reagan and Thatcher strode the world.

Anonymous kh123 August 31, 2014 5:40 PM  

"...boomer's and their lives take the cake..."

Quite literally some would say, fiscal consequences notwithstanding.

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 5:45 PM  

The real bemusement to us boomers in this discussion is the attitude of condescension on display by the post-boomer cohort

Hey, at least we're not trying to kill you off early. Ever noticed how euthanasia was kind of a coming issue when the Boomers were middle-aged and their parents were the elderly, and now that Boomers are hitting 60+ you don't hear much about it anymore? I'll take condescension over a doctor with a "compassionate" syringe full of death any day.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 5:49 PM  

"I love debating boomer men because they argue so much like women. "

"No, you narcissistic moron."

Is this the opening argument of a male, Gen-X, Aristotelian logician, or that of a Jezebeller confronted with her solipsism?

Anonymous Anonymous August 31, 2014 5:51 PM  

Because you guys are the ones who identify emotionally with your generation and think it is special.

No one else does.


That's why you don't see conversations like this about Gen X. It's not that we don't admit to having faults; it's that if you criticize our generation, we're more likely to jump in and agree with you than to circle the wagons for a generational defense.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 5:54 PM  

And one of your faults is . . . blaming the Boomers.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 6:10 PM  

Is this the opening argument of a male, Gen-X, Aristotelian logician, or that of a Jezebeller confronted with her solipsism?

The former, you narcissistic moron. You quite clearly don't even know what solipsism is.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey August 31, 2014 6:38 PM  

Since 1973, Boomers aborted 25% of my generation. A good portion of the ones who survived the womb were latchkey kids, either as a result of selfish mothers wanting to have it all, divorce, or both. Though they didn't invent them, boomers made infanticide, no-fault divorce, and recreational drug use mainstream. Your values, your politics, your fashion, and especially your music, suck. Thank God most of you have little interest in your grandchildren. Narcissistic geezers.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 6:41 PM  

And with that, Cedarq is on the virtual ice floe. Adios, Boomer.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 6:50 PM  

" . . . clearly don't even know what solipsism is."

The philosophical position that the only thing whose existence you can be sure of is your own mind, although in the modern colloquial it is also used to refer to someone whose words and actions reflect such a philosophical position, whether consciously or unconsciously.

"You narcissistic moron" is often an excellent, and manly conclusion, after argumentative support. It's a rather womanly opener. Particularly in defence of the indefencible.

And your position on the perception of mortality based on the threat of nuclear annihilation:

"Unlike your generation, we've always known we were going to die. We were told we might die in nuclear fire at any time from the time we were in grade school. "

remains as objectively false as is the claim that Obama is not a Boomer, as is obvious to anyone who remembers building backyard fallout shelters and the Cuban Missile Crisis. A group which includes every Boomer who was of grade school age at the time, as well as all those who are older.

There are other evidences against your more basic premise, such as:

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

But you made no specific claim against them, so I have not addressed them.

Anonymous Corvinus August 31, 2014 7:13 PM  

Since 1973, Boomers aborted 25% of my generation. A good portion of the ones who survived the womb were latchkey kids, either as a result of selfish mothers wanting to have it all, divorce, or both. Though they didn't invent them, boomers made infanticide, no-fault divorce, and recreational drug use mainstream. Your values, your politics, your fashion, and especially your music, suck. Thank God most of you have little interest in your grandchildren. Narcissistic geezers.

I suppose one way Boomers were worse than their predecessors was in having the lowest birth rates of any white American women in history so far.

According to the CDC, non-Hispanic white women born in 1955 had 1.82 children between the ages of 15 and 44. This actually went up for women born the following years. For non-Hispanic white women born in 1967, the latest available year, it is actually up to 1.91 children.

I can't really get figures for those before 1955, but it certainly appears that the least fertile white American women were born in the early 1950s.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 7:16 PM  

"You narcissistic moron" is often an excellent, and manly conclusion, after argumentative support. It's a rather womanly opener. Particularly in defence of the indefencible.

I don't give the smallest damn what you think is "manly" or "womanly". I care about one thing: the truth. And when I spot a narcissistic moron, I have no problem identifying one as such.

remains as objectively false as is the claim that Obama is not a Boomer, as is obvious to anyone who remembers building backyard fallout shelters and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Look, you rancidly stupid individual, the statement is perfectly true. You're focusing on the conjectured why when the what it is explaining is the point. Read the freaking article again. Or even just the portion that is quoted:

"Every generation gets old, but for those who were told we’d be forever young, it just seems more painful. “It’s a huge issue,” says Dr. Anna Fels, a psychiatrist in New York. “I see so many who are trying to adjust their lives to this new phase, which for some reason none of us really pictured ourselves going through.”"

Regardless of what the idiot Boomers did or did not go through in their youth, it obviously did not penetrate their ridiculously thick skulls or GROWING OLD AND DYING WOULD NOT COME AS A COMPLETE SHOCK TO THEM.

Generation X has never thought it was going to live forever. I see far more understanding of their mortality among the forty-somethings of my acquaintance than the sixty-somethings.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 31, 2014 7:19 PM  

Well,...there's some points made that I agree with and some that I don't. But this much I *know*.

It's not a good idea for somebody 46 years old to get on the internet and start getting the Millennials all stirred up about how evil the old people are.

Somebody 46 years old looks like Father Time to the average Millennial.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 31, 2014 7:28 PM  

When the 25 year olds start runnin' up and down the road knockin' old people in the head they ain't gonna be checkin' ID's. If you're north of 40, you'll be fair game.

Anonymous VD August 31, 2014 7:29 PM  

Somebody 46 years old looks like Father Time to the average Millennial.

I play for a soccer club. I'm the second-oldest man on the veteran's team. We regularly scrimmage against the men's first team, which has players as young as 17. I know exactly how old I am relative to them. I get a reminder every single practice and after every single game; it takes two days for everything to stop hurting.

But, unlike a Boomer, I don't pretend to be younger than I am. Which is one reason why the young players often come to me for advice and why I am regularly asked to coach them. They know I've been doing it for longer than they've been alive.

Anonymous The Artist formerly known as FP August 31, 2014 7:33 PM  

Ooga ooga ooga chaka.

Hooked on a feelin... nothing more than feelings...

" Stefani Monaghan August 31, 2014 1:00 PM

"And there were no boomers at all that were promoting Obozo now were there? The media was run by a bunch of young people right Stefani?"

So your point is, what, Xer? That your generation was too stupid to see through the media lies? Boomers did. Why didn't you?"

This made me laugh. Those activist boomers who "saw through the lies" sure don't have a problem telling lies themselves or believing in other lies.

I think my favorite delusion of my wise elders has been all the traditional advise I've gotten since turning 18 in 96. Its like these guys were asleep during the 90s or the 00s when it comes to sexual relations.

Anonymous kfg August 31, 2014 7:38 PM  

"Regardless of what the idiot Boomers did or did not go through in their youth, it obviously did not penetrate their ridiculously thick skull . . ."

. . . of the author. A feminist hitting a wall hard. Talking about herself and her feelings. A narcissistic moron. No argument from me there.

I have twice already averred that your premise has not been falsified, only that your supportive evidence is contra-factual. What's more, that taking your evidence at face value inherently negates your basic premise. Does it take three times to make it so?

Write it out as a formal syllogism if you have to.

And then, what's wrong with saying, "Yeah, you're right. I'll need to find something better"?

Because that's the truth.

Anonymous Just_Michael August 31, 2014 7:46 PM  

Don't tell me, Vox. I'm only a dozen years older than you and I still function pretty well too.

You don't need to convince *me* that a 46 year old man is on the side of the young people.

You need to convince that strapping young man with the T-Ball bat.

Yeah,...I've got 12 years on you, and you've included me with the dreaded boomer generation. And I'm one of them, technically.

But 12 years don't mean shit once you break past the age 40 mark.

From 40 on is old to people who are still looking for 25.

Your soccer abilities don't mean anything to those youths who are getting reamed to pay for the socialist policies which you're benefiting from.

,...and,..whether you are or not won't be a matter enough to give close study to if and when it ever comes down to it.

Own up, Vox.

Your senior citizenhood looms.

Expect AARP flyers to begin arriving any day, now.

Blogger rumpole5 August 31, 2014 7:54 PM  

Hello, ever heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis? We Boomers were in fucking ELEMENTARY SCHOOL being directed to duck and cover! Then the "greatest" generation came up with Vietnam which made us well aware of our mortality. Then the "Greatest" changed the immigration laws. We couldn't even vote till the late 60's. Get your history correct. You know better. And by the way -- get me some medicare funded Viagra. I have a date.

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