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Saturday, August 09, 2014

The cost of conflict avoidance

Sarah Hoyt explains why the cult of non-violence is bound to have negative consequences:
Violence isn’t – by itself – bad but – more importantly – you can’t eradicate it from a human society, and we’re going about the problem of keeping the savage part of man controlled upside down and sideways, when we KNOW the solution. What we’re doing deliberately ignores hundreds of years of experience and we’re going to pay for this. We’re going to pay for this in awful ways. In fact, we’re going to pay for this in a lot of violence that will be targeted mostly at the defenseless....

Take away physical weapons, and people will use the authorities as physical weapons. (And psychological ones too, which is worse.)

Now, the weasels we shall always have with us (I think that’s in the Bible, somewhere.) And the wicked flourish like the green bay tree.

But when you take from society the manly weapons of open and clean, minor and non-lethal violence, what you’re left with are the female weapons: the denunciation, the stab in the back, the laughter, the snark, the reputation-destroying rumor. And the advantage is not just to women (the wrong kind of women) but also to entirely the wrong kind of man. Some men are very good at it indeed.

And what results is what we’re seeing in certain professional organizations: bullying of the ones perceived as weak. Hounding of those who don’t think with the group. Abuse of elders. In fact, the full panoply of the crab bucket.

This is because people have been taught violence that’s not physical is okay, and because they’re human and violence, group fighting and group protecting has to go somewhere.

And the advocates of non-violence can wipe their hands to the wall. I hope to heaven I’m wrong, but I predict that in less than a decade, those will be very bloody fingerprints.
The problem with the feminized interpretation of civilization that is presently dominant is that it eliminates the social mechanisms of violence that have kept men reasonably in line for thousands of years. Because women are direct-conflict avoidant, their form of conflict non-resolution prevents matters from ever being resolved. For example, look at how McRapey is STILL snarking about me nine years after first attacking me; in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago.

Instead, there is no resolution and conflicts continue ad infinitum. The gamma males emulate the mean girls and embrace private politics to manipulate authority and establish a legal regime to leash the strong they fear. There is no tactical difference between what Scalzi, Nielsen-Hayden, and Gould did with the SFWA Board and what Obama, Holder, and thousands of activist groups are presently doing with the IRS and many other government agencies. In the absence of a one-on-one circuit breaker, everything becomes a manipulative appeal to authority.

Which gradually leads to inevitable disrespect for the legitimacy of that authority - who here has any respect for the moral authority of either SFWA or Obama's Department of Justice - and an eventual return to the use of violence, only far more indiscriminate and opportunistic than in its previously limited form with its code that spared the weak and defenseless.

People tend to behave very badly when they believe they are safe from consequences. I suspect that the woman who is murdered by her divorce-raped ex-husband is extremely startled to discover that the Marriage 2.0 regime may have been able to award her cash and prizes, but is not actually capable of keeping her physically safe.

What we now have is legalistic barbarism wearing the sheepskin of civilization. But it is not civilization, as will become increasingly clear over the next few years. The descent into barbarism will not be easy for anyone, but the silver lining is that open barbarism is considerably more satisfying for the strong than pseudo-civilization. There is a reason, after all, that Man likes to read stories about heroes and killers and soldiers, not lawyers and bureaucrats and lobbyists.

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Blogger Unknown August 09, 2014 6:08 AM  

"For example, look at how McRapey is STILL snarking about me nine years after first attacking me; in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago."

you capacity for cognitive dissonance continues to amaze me

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 6:20 AM  

you capacity for cognitive dissonance continues to amaze me

Lud, we both know that you are an obese gamma male. I wouldn't expect you to understand any of this. I am simply playing the game by the rules. If you have learned one thing about me by now, I would have thought it was that I always play by the rules that are established.

That doesn't mean I agree with them. Scalzi has done what he could in appealing to authority and managed to get me expelled from SFWA. Had the roles been reversed, the mere threat of that would have caused him to end the conflict. But I never cared about my membership in that community, so the shunning was insufficient.

It's really not that difficult to understand once you manage to get past your fixed notion that any position I take is by definition wrong, evil, and stupid.

Anonymous Tom August 09, 2014 6:36 AM  

Would you say that the rise in mass shootings corresponds to the rise of female psychological violence which an omega male can't handle and lashes out in desperate violence?

OT, I usually read sci fi but have decided to give fantasy a go. What do you consider the classic or blue fantasy novels? I can only think of Conan, LOTR and Burroughs. Who else should I be looking for?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 6:37 AM  

The funny thing with Scalzi is, there is absolutely no doubt he was bullied at school, disrespected by the higher rung and passed over by the girls. Not even a shadow.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 6:39 AM  

Would you say that the rise in mass shootings corresponds to the rise of female psychological violence which an omega male can't handle and lashes out in desperate violence?

Could be. It's hard to say, because there aren't enough of them to conclude anything. But it stands to reason that those who succeed on the basis of better navigating a convoluted system of manipulation and use it to oppress those less-skilled at manipulation can safely expect the losers to explore other means of achieving their objectives outside the system.

Even if the only objective is revenge for perceived sexual rejection.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 6:46 AM  

What we now have is legalistic barbarism wearing the sheepskin of civilization.

It's called Judaisation.

Blogger Dark Herald August 09, 2014 7:05 AM  

@Tom

The first most notable thing about mass shooters is they always pick a heavily gun controlled area. They always pick a target that they know will be defenseless. The second is they always cap themselves at the first sign of armed resistance.

If you are looking for classic blue fantasy you might try Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. A bromance that lasted decades. Fafhrd being a gigantic barbarian warrior and philosopher. Gray Mouser being a diminutive thief and urbane womanizer. They adventure in and out the byzantine city of Lankhmar. Personal favorite: Lean Times in Lankhmar.

These books are available on Kindle Unlimited.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 7:17 AM  

In fact, we’re going to pay for this in a lot of violence that will be targeted mostly at the defenseless....

Pretty much everything I read is written by some well schooled street-preacher cum journalist. And the rebuttals come from equally consensus observing, Ramadan conscientious white-kike suckholing shabbos goys.

Imagine what it must be like in mid-Iraq right now, being Christian, after all your Prodo "brethren" back in the Jew SA blasted away their latest Israeli bogey-man.

Americans are so devoid of suffering they have no understanding of justice.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 09, 2014 7:24 AM  

All the mass shooters I can remember resemble losers in the "Mean Girls" wars, that vermin Harris from Columbine wrote a screed which read like a diversity lecture. So him and his evil partner imbibe that nonsense and yet still feel excluded, and voila they become Naaatzeees.

IMO this was all in the cards for America, the whole settling of the West was mythologized as making it safe for Little Missy, and so here we are basically pandering in our political language to our spoiled white girls. And to make matters worse our little white girls are seriously abused by left's college based propagandist/cultists.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 09, 2014 7:39 AM  

@Lud VanB
You know, despite the tedious rise of liberalism there are still some places where your kind aren't welcome. F@!k off you steaming, obese hulk of self-hate, the grown ups want to talk.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 8:00 AM  

Fantasy classics: The Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper. The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander. Watership Down by Richard Adams. The First Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever by Stephen Donaldson.

That should keep you for a while.

Anonymous Statists are so dull August 09, 2014 8:00 AM  

Sorry for the invective but I've just had an IRL experience with a LVB-like subhuman. I just wish there was a place without them where we could go to relax and be human.

Anonymous Scut August 09, 2014 8:05 AM  

"People tend to behave very badly when they believe they are safe from consequences."

As an admirer of brevity, I appreciate that you've managed to sum up, not only the internet, but what passes for our remaining civilization in one sentence.

Well done.

Anonymous Harold August 09, 2014 8:17 AM  

Pat Hannagan,
I like to call them wheebs, those whites who act like heebs. Most American whites are either wheebs or whiggers. I see the hipsterism and steampunk as partly a desperate and unconcious attempt to find something which appeals to European sensibilities.

Anonymous Guy from Amazon August 09, 2014 8:22 AM  

There is little justice left in the American system for those without money and/or juice.

I have been a lawyer for a while now, and the single worst thing I have seen was a Black Female City Council member who would take a dislike to little people or little reason and would make up racist threats from them.

Everyone at the courthouse, cops, DAs, every lawyer, every reporter, knew she was doing it, and let her railroad and the DA would actively charge and force a disorderly conduct plea.

She finally went after a cop who was also a state FOP (union) officer and he had known she was coming and was wired and the union forced the media to cover the set up. The prior convictions stood.

However, the deck is stacked no matter what. Not for things like auto accidents, workers comp, or personal injury where a pipeline of doctors is set up to ensure 1/3 or 1/2 the money flows to the injury firm and the network, but for every other dispute the side with the bigger checking account or more power wins.

I have never done divorce or family law, but those guys I know who do say that due to our property split rules it is automatic to file child sexual abuse and spouse charges against the man unless the wife forbids the attorney from doing so. The wife always get custody, the man always pays, she always get the house.

As for criminal law, public defenders are contracted in my state, and the courts will only pay for a few hours of investigation time, and for only an hour or so for each motion prep. Guys I know who do private defense are usually able to force a better plea deal, but a proper trial defense even in simple assault cases can be 40 or 50 thousand. People simply can't afford justice even if innocent.

Then we see things like the Firefox and generally Prop 8 gay terror employment targeting, and now it becomes law that not only can you target the employment of a person (and the future of their family) for simply voting or signing a petition, but the courts will actually force disclosure of the data to allow the targeting.

As the courts are cut off as a place of justice, violence (direct or through informal groupings) is the only source of justice and right, however flawed.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 8:26 AM  

I just wish there was a place without them where we could go to relax and be human.

That's the prospective silver lining in the eventual collapse of society. At least we can hunt them down and shoot them for sport. I'm a civilized man, but there is something to the call of the wild. Perhaps it is my Indian heritage.

The sad thing is we probably won't even get the chance to hunt down those we most despise because someone else will have shot them dead the second time they opened their big snarky mouths.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 8:32 AM  

Question to the board, if you don't mind, Vox? What would you do if faced with ISIS on your doorstep?

Convert? Pay the tax? Die? Or run?

Anonymous Michael August 09, 2014 8:36 AM  

Feminism is but one segment of the many which make up the core of social Marxism, the true source of the degradation of western civilization. They always mask their true intentions behind the veil of equality, justice and progress, because once they've attained their goal, the end result is always the same: inequality, suppression and moral relativism. All of this happens because the Marxists intimidate people of principle into silent acquiescence. The latter must either appear sympathetic to the perceived suffrage of the oppressor class which has seized the reigns or else risk being shunned as an outcast - a modern day witch hunt for all intents and purposes.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” - Voltaire

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 8:44 AM  

Question to the board, if you don't mind, Vox? What would you do if faced with ISIS on your doorstep?

Fight. But it won't happen here. Americans are so cowardly they won't even criticize Muslims, Jews, or any group that isn't white Christian Americans. Europeans are considerably less inhibited. Remember, Serbia would have already cleansed its Muslims had the USA not interfered. That won't happen next time, not when it's France or Germany.

Back during the sixties, the Paris chief of police handcuffed 60+ Algerians, tossed them in the river, and drowned them all. An investigation was demanded... and he was given a medal. Unless you live over here, you can't understand that the nationalism runs considerably deeper. And they understand very well that the Muslims are not their people, no matter what the paperwork might say.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 8:51 AM  

"Back during the sixties, the Paris chief of police handcuffed 60+ Algerians, tossed them in the river, and drowned them all. An investigation was demanded... and he was given a medal."

What a hero.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 09, 2014 8:53 AM  

"in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago."

Well said, indeed, Vox. Violence works.


"bloody fngerprints"

Blood on the walls, blood in the streets. The reckoning is long overdue. Bring it on.

As Jack Donovan writes in 'Violence is Golden (2011)':

"Violence doesn’t come from movies or video games or music. Violence comes from people. It’s about time people woke up from their 1960s haze and started being honest about violence again. People are violent, and that’s OK. You can’t legislate it away or talk your way around it. Based on the available evidence, there’s no reason to believe that world peace will ever be achieved, or that violence can ever be “stopped.”

It’s time to quit worrying and learn to love the battle axe. History teaches us that if we don’t, someone else will.
"

Anonymous Rest of the World August 09, 2014 8:59 AM  

@ Tommy Hass

What a hero.

Seconded!

(didn't use your "/s" option

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 9:06 AM  

Well, at least the Algerians assraped the French back in the day, so I'd call that a success.

Anonymous emdfl August 09, 2014 9:09 AM  

The old saying, " Some people are only alive because it's still illegal to kill them." has pretty much run its course.
Seems to me that if a few of those in the administration whose hard drives keep crashing had their hard drives crashed... well who knows what might come of that? heh, heh, heh

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:11 AM  

Well, at least the Algerians assraped the French back in the day, so I'd call that a success.

They were defending their own land. The French were the offenders then. They first made the mistake of claiming Algeria Francaise, which then led to the bigger mistake of settling large quantities of allied Algerians in France.

What a hero.

He is probably a bigger hero now than he was then. I think most Frenchmen now wish he had drowned 1000x more.

Anonymous Tom August 09, 2014 9:17 AM  

@ Vox: What about the gang rapes in London or the riots in France not to mention the shit hole that Sweden has become? Are you sure Europeans will not simply continue to bend over and take it?

Blogger RandalThorn August 09, 2014 9:18 AM  

Well Tommy, ain't Mustafa Kemal Turkey's hero? The 'father of Turkey'? 'Ataturk'?

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:19 AM  

Well, at least the Algerians assraped the French back in the day, so I'd call that a success.

Why, Tommy? Why do you care about what the Algerians did to the French? What possible connection could you have to that colonial struggle?

I'm sympathetic to the Algerian cause in Algeria and the French cause in France. But you appear to be sympathetic to the Algerian cause in both Algeria and France, and yet you are not Algerian. Why is that?

Blogger Unknown August 09, 2014 9:19 AM  

I never use the word "gamma." I prefer the one I grew up with: "pussy." A man who acts like a woman.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 9:23 AM  

You do know that everything could be resolved if Mecca was destroyed with an an air strike?

Muslims bowing down to hole in the ground would soon get the message.

Write your local representative now.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:25 AM  

Are you sure Europeans will not simply continue to bend over and take it?

Yes. Remember, they are already beginning to react, whereas Americans are still not reacting to the complete loss of their southern border.

As for Sweden, I would direct your attention here: Europe Belongs To Us.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:27 AM  

And Generation Identitaire in France.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 9:30 AM  

What a hero.

Yes, a real hero would have raped them first, maybe had them watch as he beheaded some nearby children, and then thrown them all in the river. What an amateur, right?

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:40 AM  

“I say to America that the Islamic Caliphate has been established,” Abu Mosa, a spokesman for the terror group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), told VICE Media in a video interview posted online Thursday. “Don’t be cowards and attack us with drones. Instead send your soldiers, the ones we humiliated in Iraq. We will humiliate them everywhere, God willing, and we will raise the flag of Allah in the White House."

And so Americans fight them there, sporadically, even as more and more Muslims pour into America. There are 19 million Muslims out of 505 million people in the EU, 3 million out of 310 million in the USA.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 9:43 AM  

"He is probably a bigger hero now than he was then. I think most Frenchmen now wish he had drowned 1000x more."

Doubtful. Drowning 1060 something Algerians wouldn't have changed the fact that they're surrounded by Algerians.

"Well Tommy, ain't Mustafa Kemal Turkey's hero? The 'father of Turkey'? 'Ataturk'?"

What about it?

"Why, Tommy? Why do you care about what the Algerians did to the French? What possible connection could you have to that colonial struggle?

I'm sympathetic to the Algerian cause in Algeria and the French cause in France. But you appear to be sympathetic to the Algerian cause in both Algeria and France, and yet you are not Algerian. Why is that?"

1. You know why.
2. They were fighting for independence, which is a just cause.
3. I detest people who throw protesters into rivers.

You're also wrong that I "support the Algerian cause in France". The Algerian cause in France was the Algerians cause in Algeria. It makes sense to attack your enemy in their center of power as well as the front.

"You do know that everything could be resolved if Mecca was destroyed with an an air strike?

Muslims bowing down to hole in the ground would soon get the message."

Yes, great idea! Let's poke the bear that gets really pissed when you draw his propher by ordering an air strike on their most holy site. This won't end in the slaughter in millions of Christians. Nope. /s

Haven't you tools done enough with Iraq and Afghanistan, you know, 2 completely unprovoked wars of aggression?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 09, 2014 9:43 AM  

Ban the burqua was a good start.
All Utopians are dangerous. This was a great post.
Got me thinking [yesterday- as you've replayed this theme] that the cranky old bastard bigots are the voices of moderation/ wisdom and are the civilizing pacifiers.

All the hollow vacuous saccharine platitudes of those world famous pigs of "animal farm". The wolves in sheep's clothing. The lying deadly stealing eyes.

Multi cultists are the wearers of Jack Boots. Its the abolition of man. The antithesis of respect.

Truth is the absolute moral imperative. To air brush out differences is to deny human recognition. Its death to observer and observed alike. The effacement of 'made in the image of God'.

If someone is wrong they deserve to be told - or their blood on your hands.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 9:47 AM  

"Yes, a real hero would have raped them first, maybe had them watch as he beheaded some nearby children, and then thrown them all in the river. What an amateur, right?"

Is there anything you want to say to me?

Btw, I'm shocked how savage French still were up to the 60s. I mean I knew they were bad during the revolution, but this? It seems like by temperament, they're more violent than Germans. Lol.

Seems like the Brits really are the most civilized (major) nation in Europe. That is rather sad.

Blogger Rantor August 09, 2014 9:54 AM  

No, Tommy, the Swiss are the most civilized nation in Europe.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 9:54 AM  

It seems like by temperament, they're more violent than Germans.

They are. That's why I roll my eyes whenever people talk about "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". Their mercenaries are some of the most feared in Africa. The French-Algerian war was simply horrific on both sides. I've said for a long time that the Second Reconquista (or, if you prefer, Preconquista) would begin in France. Spacebunny has always said the Nordics, however, and it appears she might be right.

If I were a Muslim in a Nordic country, I would leave now. In France, I'd wait to see how the National Front elects to handle things once it takes power. The signs are every bit as clear as they were back in Germany around 1930-31, and the rationale is considerably more justified in light of events in Iraq, Nigeria, and Libya.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 August 09, 2014 9:58 AM  

the face of muhammad:
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481

I haven't got time to become an expert on this but I suspect Nostrodamus predicted this. Headless children isn't exactly what mutual respect chorus singers had in mind but its what they brought into existence. I will not respect a shit religion or "tolerance" protectors of evil

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 9:58 AM  

"For example, look at how McRapey is STILL snarking about me nine years after first attacking me; in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago."

Not just that... but how many of us have made good friends out of confrontations like that where, simply by the way someone took a punch, they earned your respect?

I know I have.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:00 AM  

"They are. That's why I roll my eyes whenever people talk about "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"."

Vox... if their such badasses... why do they get their asses handed to them every time they go toe to toe with someone in their own weight class?

Oh sure... they are big and bad when pushing around the little guy. Yet somehow every time the Germans come calling the French end up like bloody smear on the wall.

Please.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:00 AM  

their... they're... goddammit...

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:01 AM  

VD August 09, 2014 8:44 AM

Question to the board, if you don't mind, Vox? What would you do if faced with ISIS on your doorstep?

Fight.


I agree.

But, my point was meant to be that the fight was lost.

Me... I pray that I would have God with me and could lie there head up as my head was slowly being sawn off.

And hope and pray, amidst my gurgled blood drenched cry as my carotid bled out and the stars started gleaming in my eyes, feeling my head being torn away from my neck...

Anonymous Harold August 09, 2014 10:01 AM  

Tommy, in fairness to Pat he's probably drunk.

Regarding banning the burka: it's a bad idea. You don't invite people into your country and then try to force them to behave as you want, if they are inclined to behave otherwise, don't invite them in. Furthermore having completely veiled woman walking around confronts the French with the fact that they have a completely alien culture amongst them. Banning the mere appearance of having an alien culture among them just allows them to sleepwalk into their doom.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 10:01 AM  

And Generation Identitaire in France.

Thanks!

Something to fan the flames with here at home and a big F.U. to the hippies!




Blogger Rantor August 09, 2014 10:03 AM  

Brits civilized? Lower class proles smashing each other at Soccer games. Their women following Billy Idol (or other popular male) into a WC stall for a quicky. Women and me drunk and puking in the street or pissing in the ally. Parliamentarians raping children in parties with BBC celebrities. Prime ministers destroying centuries of tradition and the only checks and balance in the system by destroying the Power of the House of Lords, the Queen, and the Judiciary. I could go on... Of course I lived in England for two years and it does have its good side... Just don't go into any Muslim neighborhoods after dark, during prayers, or holidays.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:04 AM  

"No, Tommy, the Swiss are the most civilized nation in Europe."

I said major. There are multiple countries that I consider more civilized than Brits. Switzerland is rather small and speaks the languages of major countries rather than being one itself.

Btw, I think Spaniards might be underestimated in violent potential as might the Danes, but the numbers there are negligible.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:10 AM  

Tommy... we don't care what savages consider civilization. if you understood civilization... you wouldn't be a savage.

Blogger Rantor August 09, 2014 10:11 AM  

I fear that Scandinavian men have been so cowed by Feminst-Socialism that it will be hard for them to react. Even the current, supposedly conservative government in Norway (led by a woman) has done little. In 2011 every rape in Norway was committed by a non-Norwegian. Mostly North African and middle eastern immigrants. Norway should dump them. Instead they are seriously pro-Palestine and keep importing more third worlders while the women of Sweded work to ban urinals because they are unfair.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:11 AM  

Harold August 09, 2014 10:01 AM

Tommy, in fairness to Pat he's probably drunk.


Wouldn't it be best to be drunk on slaughter of muslims and their jew hand-holders.

I haven't given up hope hope that the White man will find his resurrection in our own messiah, our people.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 10:12 AM  

Vox... if their such badasses... why do they get their asses handed to them every time they go toe to toe with someone in their own weight class?

Because they live next door to Germany. Germans beat Americans in a fair fight. They beat Russians in a fair fight. They easily beat Brits in a fair fight. So it should be no surprise that they usually beat the French. Never forget that it has always taken a grand alliance that outnumbered and surrounded them to beat them.

Here is another thing to be keep in mind concerning Germany. They have a bit of Russian in them now thanks to the widespread rapes of WWII. That's not going to make them more civilized the next time around.

Regarding banning the burka: it's a bad idea.

Wrong. All alien customs of that sort should be banned. If they don't like it, they can leave. If they won't stop, you now have cause for repatriating a criminal.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:12 AM  

"But, my point was meant to be that the fight was lost."

if the fight was lost I would already be dead.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:16 AM  

"Because they live next door to Germany"

And are the Britts also such stupendous badasses? Again its not just germany that have kicked the hell out of them. The Brits have as well. Hell even back in their glory days they got their asses handed to them by the colonies... even though they had your bloodkin savages on their side.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:16 AM  

"Vox... if their such badasses... why do they get their asses handed to them every time they go toe to toe with someone in their own weight class?

Oh sure... they are big and bad when pushing around the little guy. Yet somehow every time the Germans come calling the French end up like bloody smear on the wall."

France didn't lose the 1st World War. It was bled dry for the second and had a shitty doctrine to fight then modern warfare and unlike the Brits, they were not lucky enough to be surrounded by sea.

I can't defend the loss in 1871, but Prussia/Germany was rather bombastic back then.

"Brits civilized? Lower class proles smashing each other at Soccer games. Their women following Billy Idol (or other popular male) into a WC stall for a quicky. Women and me drunk and puking in the street or pissing in the ally. Parliamentarians raping children in parties with BBC celebrities. Prime ministers destroying centuries of tradition and the only checks and balance in the system by destroying the Power of the House of Lords, the Queen, and the Judiciary."

Among Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Britain and Russia, which one is the most civilized? Germany had the Nazis, Spain had Franco and all which happened before, Italy had Mussolini and France had a nigh military coup in the 50s as well as the topic at hand. The French Revoution etc. Russia...well, you know.

That leaves the Brits. (although, having a Fascist dictator doesn't make the Italians that bad in itself, so they might be comparable)

Anonymous Harold August 09, 2014 10:24 AM  

Vox, why do you think banning the burka got such mainstream support? To mollify the French, to prevent them, or delay them, from becoming anxious that France was becoming unFrench. As for the burka brigade leaving just because the current wimpy authorities ban their customs, it's not going to happen.

The sooner the French wake up the better, they are more likely to wake up sooner with burka wearers everywhere they look.

Blogger Unknown August 09, 2014 10:24 AM  

"Germans beat Americans in a fair fight"

Military historians claim 100 German soldiers are equal to 104 Americans. One on one they beat everyone.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:24 AM  

"you wouldn't be a savage."

I am not a savage, my Anal-American friend. :^)

"Germans beat Americans in a fair fight. They beat Russians in a fair fight. They easily beat Brits in a fair fight."

You consider Brits less capable than the other two per capita? Interesting. (I assume that is what you mean by "in a fair fight")

"And are the Britts also such stupendous badasses?"

On sea, yes. Furthermore, I remember Prussia (i.e. Germany) and Russians helping the Brits with Napoleon. Don't know much bout the 7 year war.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:26 AM  

Tommy, all I wish is that your shit stained antecedents are wiped away from the rump of Europa.

Right now our people are demon possessed but this won't last forever.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:29 AM  

"The sooner the French wake up the better, they are more likely to wake up sooner with burka wearers everywhere they look."

Lol. The Burka is incredibly rare, you know that, right? It's the hijab you talk about.

Also, since when is it normal to tell people what to wear? I mean, you should know that non aliens also deviate by wearing alien clothing nonetheless. If hipsters and other groups get to standout, muslims should as well. If you don't like them, don't let them in. But telling people what to wear, beyond reasons of decency, is totalitarian and petty.

I mean, you might as well, ban the religion or force them to wear miniskirts to "show who's boss". Lol.

Anonymous JohnS August 09, 2014 10:30 AM  

Stephan Molyneux did a pretty good video that covers this. He ended up sounding like an atheist version of Vox: The truth about immigration . It's pretty long but we'll worth seeing.

Tl, dr version: a free society seems to require western Europeans...

Someone seems to have tossed a handful of red pills into his libertarian, open borders kool-aid.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:32 AM  

'I am not a savage, my Anal-American friend. :^)"

Of course you're not.. because threatening to behead the families of people who make jokes is totally civilized behavior.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:34 AM  

"Tommy, all I wish is that your shit stained antecedents are wiped away from the rump of Europa."

Wish all you want brother.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:34 AM  

Tommy, you do know that what comes around goes around, don't you?

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:35 AM  

"Of course you're not.. because threatening to behead the families of people who make jokes is totally civilized behavior."

When did I do that? Also, it's the internet. Lighten up.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:41 AM  

"When did I do that? Also, it's the internet. Lighten up."

Multiple threads on this very blog mate. Generally when someone starts talking about Israel you can be relied upon to wad up your panties and start talking about cutting off heads.

It doesn't bother us of course... Bane was beloved around here and he was far worse than that. The point is... you don't get to behave like an animal and then claim to be civilized.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:41 AM  

We hate you, Tommy.

Anonymous Scut August 09, 2014 10:41 AM  

"...my Anal-American friend."

Tommy, I do believe you've just coined the new politically correct term for homosexuals.

Anonymous Harsh August 09, 2014 10:43 AM  

I am not a savage

No, you just constantly threaten to slaughter whole families, communities, nations... nothing savage about that, Tommy.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:45 AM  

'Military historians claim 100 German soldiers are equal to 104 Americans. One on one they beat everyone."

Military historians also claimed that in 1991 Iraq had one of the most well equipped and well trained armies in the world.

it took the US about 2 weeks to totally ass rape it.

I don't put a lot of faith in any authority opinion when it comes to ranking military power.

Anonymous Harold August 09, 2014 10:46 AM  

Tommy says, “Lol. The Burka is incredibly rare, you know that, right? It's the hijab you talk about.”

I must have missed that “ban the hijab” movement. No. I’m talking about the burka. You do know that obvious hyperbole isn’t to be taken literally right? Also, I imagine they are quite rare indeed, you know, because they have been banned.

Tommy continues,
“Also, since when is it normal to tell people what to wear? … If you don't like them, don't let them in. But telling people what to wear, beyond reasons of decency, is totalitarian and petty.

I mean, you might as well, ban the religion or force them to wear miniskirts to "show who's boss". Lol.”

In an earlier comment I wrote,
“You don't invite people into your country and then try to force them to behave as you want, if they are inclined to behave otherwise, don't invite them in.”

lol indeed.

Anonymous Harold August 09, 2014 10:51 AM  

Pat, I think an airstrike on Hollywood would do more good than one on Mecca.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 10:54 AM  

"I mean, you might as well, ban the religion or force them to wear miniskirts to "show who's boss". Lol.” "

There are a couple of amusing things about this statement...

1) You think we would have a problem with banning islam. Most of us wouldn't. In fact we actively seek it.

2) You think we think Islam is a religion. We don't.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow August 09, 2014 10:56 AM  

Tommy Hate: Another shot at Franco, eh? Go ahead. He beat the Reds, ground them into dust and kept them down for almost 40 years, and all the post-mortem sniping in the world can't change that.

PhillipGeorge(c)2014: Thank you for posting that. I'll have my wife share it with all the little upper-middle-class liberal white girls that follow her on Facebook -- the kind who are 'spiritual but not religious" and who have those idiotic "Coexist" stickers on their cars. (I'd do it myself, but I quit Failbook four years ago.)

My bumper sticker spells out a better message, and in no uncertain terms.

They say Islam is the most successful Christian heresy ever. If that's true, the Muslimes deserve what the Cathars got. If we continue to let them kill Christian children, rape Christian women, and spread Muhammad's damnable lies to the four corners of the earth, then we owe the Albegensians an apology.

Where is our King Jan Sobieski? Where is our Don John of Austria? Let's all pray that God will soon raise up a warrior who will lead the next Crusade.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 10:59 AM  

There is nothing more than I would enjoy than going about the genocide of Tommy's Turkish scum relatives with indifference, professionalism, detachment and aplomb.

We don't do cruelty.

We leave that to the dogs.

We don't do brutality.

There's nothing more that I'd love to do than wiping out his whole family and all his relatives, one by one, and watching him cry, being detached, from his emotion, knowing it is what must be done.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:04 AM  

"No, you just constantly threaten to slaughter whole families, communities, nations... nothing savage about that, Tommy."

Ah whatever.

Didn't one of you say, "temperance in the face of evil is no virtue" or something? I've seen multiple people here say something about nuking Tehran or throwing all Palestinians into the sea. So hush.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 11:05 AM  

We hate you, Tommy.

Who is this "we" kemosabe? I don't hate Tommy. I don't want to live surrounded by Turks or Muslims, but I don't have to hate them to not want to do that. I don't want to live surrounded by Jews or Africans or left-liberals either. Like most sane individuals, I prefer to live in a homogenous community of people generally similar to me in genetic, religious, and ideological terms.

One need not hate anyone to oppose those who get in the way of that, for whatever reason.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 11:07 AM  

There is nothing more than I would enjoy than going about the genocide of Tommy's Turkish scum relatives with indifference, professionalism, detachment and aplomb.

Stop posturing, Pat. That's not true. You like to posture about those you don't like on the Internet. Which is fine and all, but it's hardly the Western equivalent of ISIS that you seem to fantasize it to be. And, as always, be civil to your fellow commenters, even those with whom you disagree.

Anonymous B Lewis August 09, 2014 11:09 AM  

I do not hate anyone. As a Catholic, my religion does not permit it. I am motivated by love, not hatred: first, love of God, then love of my wife, then my children, then my racial and ethnic group, then my proximate neighbors, my community, my state, and Western civilization. Like any lover, I will gladly use whatever means are necessary to deter, disable, or defeat anyone who threatens those I love. What is done out of love cannot be evil.

Anonymous bob k. mando August 09, 2014 11:12 AM  

VD August 09, 2014 9:19 AM
Why is that?



it would be absurd to suspect a religious component. ridiculous, i tell you.




Nate August 09, 2014 10:00 AM
their... they're... goddammit...


it's all right, Nate. you don't care, you don't care.

just keep repeating that.




Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 10:35 AM
When did I do that?



because, you see, it's perfectly acceptable to lie to the infidels ... even though we've all seen him threaten beheadings and the like numerous times.

it's called "taqqiya".

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:12 AM  

I'm sorry... I'm still chuckling about the notion that "we don't do cruelty". The level of historical ignorance there is pretty stunning.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:14 AM  

'it's all right, Nate. you don't care, you don't care.

just keep repeating that."

I do believe that it is self evident that I don't care... if I did i would proofread before hitting "publish".

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:14 AM  

"There is nothing more than I would enjoy than going about the genocide of Tommy's Turkish scum relatives with indifference, professionalism, detachment and aplomb."

>implying my relatives aren't armed

top kek

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 11:17 AM  

It's only the internet, yes, it's true, Vox.

But I really do hate Muslims. I want to be the one sending down the Zyklon-B. I really do. If only Zyklon-B weren't a Jewish fantasy.

Truly. Why don't we hate the Tommy's of this world?


I hate Muslims and I would feel great joy in seeing them all killed, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGBxoAk1rsI>one by one.</a>

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:20 AM  

"I hate Muslims and I would feel great joy in seeing them all killed,"

Do you even know how many of them there are you genius? Jews are reasonable because there were so few of them.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:23 AM  

'I hate Muslims and I would feel great joy in seeing them all killed"

then you are what you claim to hate.

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 11:24 AM  

Who is this "we" kemosabe? I don't hate Tommy.

Yeah, sure. Of course you don't. You couldn't give a shit about anyone else but yourself.

This "we" is the thousands of Whites who read your bog or may stray across it on the internet.

I want them to know they are not alone and that we will rise. We will take out all the non-White shit from our midst.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:24 AM  

"because, you see, it's perfectly acceptable to lie to the infidels ... even though we've all seen him threaten beheadings and the like numerous times.

it's called "taqqiya"."

sigh...one last time: taqiya is lying when you are forced to convert or die. You don't have to become a martyr.

Why are my death threats taken more literally than others'?

Anonymous Pat Hannagan August 09, 2014 11:27 AM  

then you are what you claim to hate.

Heh, thanks, Yank.

I hate therefore I am. You, on the other hand, are nothing but a grandstanding religious flake. I know plenty of Greek Orthodox and they know hate is the opposite of what you love.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:27 AM  

"Why are my death threats taken more literally than others'?"

I certainly don't take yours more seriously than Pat's. And I draw the same conclusions about him that I draw about you.

Blogger Houston August 09, 2014 11:28 AM  

To give a notable example of the difference between male conflict resolution and female non-resolution, observe how World War II combat veterans from opposing sides - men who spent years trying to kill each other - have been able to respect and even befriend one other. Can you imagine women who spent years non-violently gossiping and slandering each other forming a similar bond?

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 11:29 AM  

sigh...one last time: taqiya is lying when you are forced to convert or die. You don't have to become a martyr.

Sorry, Tommy. We are far too familiar with idiot lies such as "Islam means peace" and "jihad means inner struggle".

Why are my death threats taken more literally than others'?

Because Muslims observably follow through on them much more often than non-Muslims.

I want them to know they are not alone and that we will rise. We will take out all the non-White shit from our midst.

Which is your prerogative. And you may even be correct in the long term. But you keep repeating yourself, so knock it off. This is a place for discourse, not monologues and posturing. You know my position on monomanias.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:30 AM  

"I hate therefore I am."

No sugar tits. It has nothing to do with philosophy. Its about motivation. Why do you hate muslims? what do they do that makes you hate them?

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 11:30 AM  

To be clear, both Pat and Tommy, the moment you start talking about yourselves is the minute that my delete finger starts itching. This blog is not a place to discuss either Pat or Tommy, regardless of your no doubt many mutual merits.

Anonymous Harsh August 09, 2014 11:31 AM  

Didn't one of you say, "temperance in the face of evil is no virtue" or something? I've seen multiple people here say something about nuking Tehran or throwing all Palestinians into the sea. So hush.

Don't tell me to hush, little boy, you're not man enough. Whether or some of us are savages does not in any way contradict the fact that you are an ignorant savage. Now you be quiet, boy, and let the men talk.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 11:31 AM  

Pat... I withdraw the question. After all... Why Pat Hate's Muslims is not the topic of the post.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:34 AM  

"Sorry, Tommy. We are far too familiar with idiot lies such as "Islam means peace" and "jihad means inner struggle"."

Islam means submission. Jihad means struggle, apparently. I'm actually suprised that YOU too believe this shit.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 11:34 AM  

Is there anything you want to say to me?

I said it. Were the words too big?

Western leaders, many of them supposedly Christian, keep telling me that Muslims don't want a caliphate, most of them are reasonable, religion of peace, blah blah blah. Actual Muslims on the ground in places where they don't fear retribution tell me otherwise, and they're willing to slaughter children to prove they mean it. Whom should I believe?

Maybe there are peaceful Muslims who don't want to behead anyone. Maybe you're one of them. If so, good for you, I guess; but you're irrelevant unless you're out in the streets standing between the "bad Muslims" and their victims. Blather about how they're a small radical minority and not representative is meaningless when we can see with our own eyeballs what they're doing and that none of the rest of you is raising a hand to stop them.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 11:35 AM  

Makes sense.

Anonymous Dan in Tx August 09, 2014 11:36 AM  

Vox: "To be clear, both Pat and Tommy, the moment you start talking about yourselves is the minute that my delete finger starts itching..."

Thank you. The one upmanship competition was really starting to get old.

Blogger RandalThorn August 09, 2014 11:41 AM  

Pat, as a Greek and Orthodox Christian I really say you are either:

1.An ignorant at best, an idiot at worst.

2.An agent provocateur.

Pick your poison.

Blogger RandalThorn August 09, 2014 11:44 AM  

You're illustrating my point here...'partner'.

Anonymous Don August 09, 2014 11:56 AM  

American society was better off when men and boys could and did solve their problems like, well, men and boys. Throw a few punches, get a bloody nose or really have a dust up and both sides are shortly satisfied with the results. Winner wins, loser thinks, 'that was stupid, he kicked my ass' or 'that was a good fight' and it's over.

Kids might go back and fight the same guy over sometimes even adults but nobody who wasn't a coward stewed in his own anger. Remember when calling someone a coward was worth a fight? Now people wear it like a badge.

Women have their way of dealing with conflict which is fine for women (It makes them catty as hell but I wouldn't want women fighting like men) and men had a system that worked fine since Adam got the eviction notice.

Violence solves plenty of things. It's not that we don't use it any more it's that deep down we've forgotten how to use it properly and when to use it.

Blogger David August 09, 2014 12:04 PM  

I'd much prefer the simple method of a fist-fight rather than the passive-aggressive bullshit we have to deal with today. You can't fight, but you can't flight either, so you're left with no option. It's enough to drive one mad.

Anonymous Stingray August 09, 2014 12:16 PM  

Vox: Unless you live over here, you can't understand that the nationalism runs considerably deeper.

Why is this? Is it because Americans originally hail from other countries and simply don't have established roots, so to speak?

Blogger James Dixon August 09, 2014 12:25 PM  

> Haven't you tools done enough with Iraq and Afghanistan,

Not even close, Tommy. We've been playing with kid's gloves and one hand tied behind our backs. You have absolutely no idea what we're capable of.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 12:33 PM  

" You keep demonstrating why Greek Orthodox is the hard core religion to go to."

Tommy.. I mean... Pat... if I didn't think you respected me... I just don't think I could handle it.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 12:33 PM  

"Not even close, Tommy. We've been playing with kid's gloves and one hand tied behind our backs. You have absolutely no idea what we're capable of."

Sigh....listen, I'm going to be very explicit: THOSE WERE UNJUSTIFIED, UNPROVOKED WARS. 9/11 or not, the Taliban didn't do 9/11 and neither did Saddam. This is like Hitler attacking Czechoslovakia and Poland back in the day. Only through Rule 308. hasn't led to your destruction the way it led to Germany's.

Anonymous VD August 09, 2014 12:39 PM  

Is it because Americans originally hail from other countries and simply don't have established roots, so to speak?

It is because the material American identity is actually a variant of the English identity, like Australian or New Zealand, but successive waves of immigration have watered that identity down so there is no cohesive identity left. People are never as tied to abstract notions as they are to material things.

Anonymous Zippy August 09, 2014 12:43 PM  

Tommy, in the event you are serious . . .

The war in Afghanistan was not an unprovoked war of aggression. Admittedly, it's been waged stupidly, and for the wrong objective. But it was provoked when the Afghans sheltered and supported the terrorist group that murdered 3,000 of our citizens.

Bush's notion that we could "fix" Afghanistan was always nonsense. Our war should have been a short, brutal punitive expedition designed to deter future misconduct. But we were more than justified in killing a bunch of Afghans.

Iraq was a waste of blood and treasure.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 12:45 PM  

"It is because the material American identity is actually a variant of the English identity, like Australian or New Zealand, but successive waves of immigration have watered that identity down so there is no cohesive identity left."

I would caution you against this conclusion. The 'Murica is still very very strong here. You aren't here... you don't see it. But we see it and live it every day.

Anonymous Stingray August 09, 2014 12:52 PM  

Nate: The 'Murica is still very very strong here.

I see it too, Nate. But there seems to be something . . . missing, here. A figurehead, maybe. But I can't compare this to the nationalism there.

Anonymous Salt August 09, 2014 12:56 PM  

Regarding banning the burka: it's a bad idea.

Wrong. All alien customs of that sort should be banned. If they don't like it, they can leave. If they won't stop, you now have cause for repatriating a criminal.


I'm amazed at the number of proclaimed libertarians who find that idea repulsive. Of course they also prefer open borders and free trade.

Sorry for the OT.

Anonymous Salt August 09, 2014 12:58 PM  

The 'Murica is still very very strong here

The numbers are dwindling a little, but there's still enough... for now.

Anonymous Don August 09, 2014 1:04 PM  

Murica as you say, is weak in the cities. More 'anti-America' than America. Rural areas are much more American. That is why the immivasion and section 8 vouchers are so important to our ruling elite of both parties. We need a new party or a partion but I fear violence will come first.

Anonymous Dark August 09, 2014 1:04 PM  

in absolute terms the numbers are much the same as ever you can do a lot with 200m or so people

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 1:12 PM  

"The war in Afghanistan was not an unprovoked war of aggression. Admittedly, it's been waged stupidly, and for the wrong objective. But it was provoked when the Afghans sheltered and supported the terrorist group that murdered 3,000 of our citizens."

By your logic though, Syria could start attacking America (pretend it could) and it wouldn't be a war of aggression. Y/N?

It's sort of borderline. For non American nations this is basically a war of aggression. Hence my allusion to Rule .308 (or whatever caliber it was)

Blogger Tommy Hass August 09, 2014 1:17 PM  

Hope this isn't OT: of those four standard geographic divisions of USA, how would you rank them? (because of the "Murica is strong here" tangent)

The South is obviously very solid and conservative but it also has a lot of Basketball Americans. The west has the Left Coast and northern Mexico, but also a lot of rugged Americans. The Midwest has the (formerly) lily white Minnesota but also Chicongo.

I have a spergy streak to care about this.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 1:40 PM  


After watching/listening to Leftists first here in the P.D.R.C. & later elsewhere, I've noticed a decided tendency toward the feminine in thought, word, & deed. Always surprised me to see how many otherwise Manly types never noticed Leftism's glaringly female attributes such as,: The importance of the group over the individual, the need for uniformity of viewpoint & the rigorous enforcement of same, the need for public (group) humiliation of opponents, the cultivation of/reliance on informants, hypocrisy, fantasism, emotionalism, etc., etc.

Once brought that up to a rather beefy representative of The Vanguard Of The Proletariat in Berserkeley. He ruminated on it for a bit, was shocked to discover the correlations, & while verbally examining same became increasingly disturbed/disenchanted until a quite tasty lil' female Comrade (Comradess, Comradette?) appeared & expressed her displeasure at his 'heresy'. INSTANT change followed by profuse apologies to her for EVER doubting Marx/Lenin/Mao/Ho/Castro & equally impassioned promises that such would never EVER re-occur, then marked hostility toward me replete w/ the standard expressions of masculinity, e.g., erect para-mil posture, much flexing of pecs, & verbalizations of violent intent. And she's standing there arms crossed eating it up.

And no, she didn't tap her lil' toe impatiently, but did give me a murderous up & down then looked back at him w/ a raised Well? eyebrow then back at me w/ a beatific He's mine again & will bounce you around to prove it smile. The uninvited arrival of LE accompanied by 'liberal' use of CS interrupted what was shaping up to be an etiquette & honor lesson for the 2 Stalwart Defenders Of The People & we parted ways w/ her Parthian shot of "you're a lucky SoB, you f****** Capitalist PoS" wafting among the clouds of chemical irritant. My "we can do this someplace else where the cops & your comrades won't bother us" & a lupine version of her expression puzzled her. He, however, grasped the situation, then her, & took off as did I.

A fascinating exchange prompting an interest in psychodynamics (w/ the characteristics of predators/prey being primary) that's paid endless dividends, also imagine my dismay upon realizing that a certain ethno-religious group displayed most if not all of the same feminine-oriented traits of Leftists & that their political disposition's largely Leftist as well.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Blogger Beefy Levinson August 09, 2014 1:41 PM  

Islam is a demonically inspired false religion that must be resisted to a martyr's end if necessary. That being said, where do the Mohammedans dig up all these young men willing to fight and kill and die for their false religion? I can't imagine Christians willing to fight on behalf of Christianity like that barring some cataclysmic, existential threat.

Blogger David August 09, 2014 1:53 PM  

"I would caution you against this conclusion. The 'Murica is still very very strong here. You aren't here... you don't see it. But we see it and live it every day."

Though I hail from the North, I've lived in the South for almost all my life, and there is definitely an established Southern identity that simply doesn't exist in the North. At least, not to the extent of the South where Southern culture is clearly understood and celebrated. For Southerners, that I've encountered anyway, there isn't much white-against-white conflict like there is in the North with the Lithuanians, the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, the Scandinavians, and the like all actively disliking each other. Immigration has trampled down much of the North's identity, but in the South you're either white, black, and Mexican, which makes the 'Murica sentiment easier to maintain. Doesn't mean there aren't pro-Murica blacks and Mexicans, just that it seems large groups of non-whites keep whites from fragmenting too much into different groups.

Blogger David August 09, 2014 1:58 PM  

"A figurehead, maybe. But I can't compare this to the nationalism there."

A new chancellor....a strong chancellor...

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 2:06 PM  


Pat Hannagan/09Aug14@11:24AM,

"We will......our midst."

Will you/similar be using the One Drop Rule to do that?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Too-Soon-ami August 09, 2014 2:07 PM  

"in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago."

Yeah, but in a more civilized society, you'd still have to bear the travel expenses (time, money, TSA), plus the possible hassle of "hunting" him down. All to punch some little faggot? It sounds like something Stewie Griffin would do, but not a sane person.

There's also the risk of catching AIDS from his blood spatter.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn, Emperor of Midgard August 09, 2014 2:19 PM  

Let's all pray that God will soon raise up a warrior who will lead the next Crusade...

A figurehead, maybe...

A new chancellor....a strong chancellor...


Testing...one, two, three...

/clears throat/

KNEEL!

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 2:20 PM  


James Dixon/09Aug14@12:25PM,

"We've been......capable of."

Per the 'Indian' wars, WW2, &, to an extent, Viet Nam, perhaps?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Don August 09, 2014 2:35 PM  

Nope, sorry Loki. I tried and all but you're just not doing it for me. Maybe if you didn't lose every single time that dunderhead with the blond locks came around?

Besides he looks like a leader. Anthony Hopkins sounds like a leader. The dude from 'Captain America' well both actually. Maybe with a new helmet without all the Freudian overtones? I mean how big do the 'horns' have to get?

Try something different. You're smarter, better diction, probably more fun at any party that doesn't feature kegs, instead of trying military action try going on some talk shows, get elected Governor of something or other, establish your bonafides as the real royalty in Europe that needs to be restored something like that.

Hell in older statues I see your big brother gets away with wearing a damn swastika on his belt. You just try that and see what happens. You need a better plan.

Anonymous sarcophilus August 09, 2014 2:49 PM  

Some of.the biggest advocates in libertarian circles about "the non-aggression principle" are the worst at this unbloody violence. Being slain by the sword is more honest than being bludgeoned to death by the distaff. Ten thousabd bruises.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 2:50 PM  


Tommy Hass/09Aug14@12:33PM,

I also thought going after Saddam was strange since he tended to kill those like AQ/Taliban, the reason for that action became clear when Patriot batteries appeared in Israel. Funny how no one, so far, has apparently noticed that 'coincidence' & another one regarding the Patriot system & Israel's Iron Dome. Seem to recall a LOT of Israeli desire to reproduce said system as well as quite a bit of U.S./Is co-operation toward that end to be followed by Israel's 'purchase' of the result from U.S. manufacturers, the sharing of subsequent improvements to it, & IIRC Israel's word that they wouldn't self-produce/sell the results of the partnership. One more example of Machina ex Judaica?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Blogger Shimshon August 09, 2014 2:52 PM  

Vox, regarding the French, it reminds me of a story I heard once from a friend of mine.

He was sailing around the world at the time, and was one time anchored in a French territory, protectorate, or some other island that the French considered their "duty to protect" or something.

Anyway, he says a big French warship (or group) shows up in the harbor, anchors, and immediately fires a few shots of their BIG guns. Pure show of strength. The message was clear. Do not mess with us or we will destroy you poorly armed half savages.

Regardless of how they match up against the Germans and Russians, they're pretty fierce.

Blogger Shimshon August 09, 2014 2:53 PM  

This was the 1980s by the way.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn, Emperor of Midgard August 09, 2014 3:12 PM  

Maybe if you didn't lose every single time that dunderhead with the blond locks came around?

I do not. I don't! I win, frequently, if I am not sabotaged by my own minions. You see only what SHIELD has permitted you to see.

Besides he looks like a leader.

Shall I recite something from "Henry V"? Would that help you, hmm? Bah, you are fickle creatures, and you do not know a leader when you see him.

Try something different. You're smarter, better diction, probably more fun at any party that doesn't feature kegs, instead of trying military action try going on some talk shows, get elected Governor of something or other, establish your bonafides as the real royalty in Europe that needs to be restored something like that.

Actually, I am doing. I but thought to let you all in on the ground floor, so to speak. I only have one trusted lieutenant, and I prefer she not be shot at whilst pregnant. It was difficult enough to heal her the last time... /trails off, looking troubled/

/shakes head briskly/ But that is neither here nor there. I will win, in the end. It is only a matter of time. Join me now, and be part of that victory, or join me after I win, and be part of the spoils.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 3:33 PM  


Nate/09Aug14@12:45PM,

"The 'Murica......every day."

The run on bang toys/ammo/accessories that began in Oct/08 & has steadily increased since then along w/ a parallel rise of interest in extra-govtl combat training (to the point that openings for it/standard self-defense instruction are scarce) combined w/ a resurgence in traditional patriotic attitudes which has caused Leftist controlled LE/govt to classify/characterize those openly expressing their love of country as 'serious threats' makes your point rather handily as this recent example shows.

It's out there, & the current's getting stronger, deeper, & wider as time passes & events like LE's Gestapo-ization & the illegal immigrant flood occur.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Guy from Amazon August 09, 2014 3:53 PM  

" Seem to recall a LOT of Israeli desire to reproduce said system as well as quite a bit of U.S./Is co-operation toward that end to be followed by Israel's 'purchase' of the result from U.S. manufacturers, the sharing of subsequent improvements to it, & IIRC Israel's word that they wouldn't self-produce/sell the results of the partnership."

Jewish Senator Carl Levin, from Michigan, Chair of the Armed Services Committee, traded production rights for the Stryker vehicles from Michigan's Tank Plant complex to other states, in return for sharing complete Patriot plans with Israel.

The once mighty complex is now reduced to upgrading M1A1s and A2s, and then preparing them for long term storage until Israel demands they be sent there. Thousands of good Michigan jobs lost, but God's Chosen People benefit again.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 3:56 PM  


Stingray/09Aug14@12:52PM,

Lotta heavy (& often quite vehement) discussions going on in a lot of places addressing that/other issues which (much to the astonishment of many) aren't primarily fixated on melanin & have (much to the disappointment of many) Jews, blacks, latinos, & females as regular, respected, & frequently valued participants.


Cassandra (of troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 4:26 PM  


Tommy Hass/09Aug14@1:17PM,

You should remove WA/OR/CA from inclusion in what's commonly referred to as America/'Murica because "everybody KNOWS" that they're inhabited/run by "Commies, perverts, 'mud people', dopers, DDJ/Dem Dam Jooz, hippies, freaks/tweaks/loonies, idiots, & race traitors". It's all over & done out here, TH, we're simply unsalvageable & therefore unworthy for consideration as REAL 'Muricans unlike say, SOUTHRONS(R), for example.

Too bad for us, the only thing left to do is cauterization & the subsequent erection of Monuments Of Warning in front of the glowing Trinitite remains telling visitors WHY THIS HAD TO BE DONE.

;~(


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 4:50 PM  


Loki Sjalfsainn, Emperor of Midgard/09Aug14@2:19PM,

From what I've been told/read/seen over the past 15+ yrs about the spread of Odenism ("to get away from that anti-WHITE Jew-pimping cult called Christianity") among neo-Nazis/Klanners/similar, you stand a good chance of being crowned as their Lord.

You'll have to get past that strong THOR! fetish of theirs, of course, but that would be a piddling thing for such a Mighty Personage as yourself, right?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 5:05 PM  


Guy from Amazon/09Aug14@3:53PM,

Hadn't heard that, interesting, if you delve into the Stryker's origins you'll find out something interesting as well.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 5:10 PM  

" I win, frequently, if I am not sabotaged by my own minions. "

wait wait.. How many times specifically have you formulated an ingenius plan... that was NOT sabotaged by your minions?

Because given the fact that you are not currently ruling this world... it seems to me that pretty much all of them have been sabotaged by your minions. Either deliberately or through incompetence.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 5:19 PM  

Honestly this reminds me a lot of the 70s. It very much looked like the end of American relevance on the world stage back then. Viet Nam was over it couldn't have ended worse... economically America was in the crapper. Carter was at his inept worst.

Then... when everyone thought it was over... came the 80s.

its not that I think things aren't going to go to crap. I do. But don't think ever... for one second... that there will be a time when some foreign power governs the land held by America today.

America may disintigrate. In fact I hope it does. But if you think some punk imam is going to come here and take over... you're simply delusional.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 09, 2014 5:30 PM  

Because given the fact that you are not currently ruling this world... it seems to me that pretty much all of them have been sabotaged by your minions. Either deliberately or through incompetence.

I have many irons in the fire, sirrah, and you would have no way of knowing what they are.

For all you know, I might have infiltrated the IRS in guise of a computer technician and "backed up" certain missing e-mails, and might now be employing them to make certain officials in your government dance like trained monkeys.

That sort of thing, and you would be none the wiser. I am subtle, you know, my little breakdown two years past notwithstanding.

Anonymous clk August 09, 2014 6:02 PM  

Way to go Nate... :) ...

We need a good gun trend going ... its been way too long.

Thr following is OT..

Not for here but i for one would love to know the real reason for the ammo shortage.. i went to buy some 380 and couldnt find a single box of ball..sure could find a few critical defence etc but no range ammo. There no 22lr either ....whats the deal ...?

I thinking maybe the south is rearming or preparing for Isis etc...but 380 and 22lr are not your typical rounds for that.

Anonymous Castaigne August 09, 2014 6:15 PM  

I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago.

That is a lie. That is not how humans act.
You would have attempted to kill him or died trying.
He would, of course, do the same.
That can be the only outcome for anything: Victory Or Death. Anyone who does not do this an inferior beta or gamma.

who here has any respect for the moral authority of either SFWA or Obama's Department of Justice

Only God has moral authority. Neither the SFWA nor the DOJ have ever had moral authority. Neither has any country or government in existence or existing previously ever had moral authority.

The only earthly authority is legal authority. That, the DOJ and SFWA do have, at least in terms of their legal reach.

What we now have is legalistic barbarism wearing the sheepskin of civilization. But it is not civilization, as will become increasingly clear over the next few years. The descent into barbarism will not be easy for anyone, but the silver lining is that open barbarism is considerably more satisfying for the strong than pseudo-civilization.

Prediction noted and challenge accepted. And I'd lay money down that it doesn't happen. That we are not declining, not falling, and things will continue as they have done absent an apocalyptic event from natural forces beyond our control. (Asteroid impact, so on, so forth.)

I say that your prediction is wrong because people have predicted the exact same thing for over a century now...and it has failed to come to pass.

Here is another thing to be keep in mind concerning Germany. They have a bit of Russian in them now thanks to the widespread rapes of WWII. That's not going to make them more civilized the next time around.

Next to the USA, the nations of Germany, China, and Japan are the only really civilized people of the planet.

To be clear, both Pat and Tommy, the moment you start talking about yourselves is the minute that my delete finger starts itching.

A person only deletes the comment if they fear what is being said in the comment. Surely you haven't turned into a coward since the early 1990s? I certainly don't remember you as being one.

Anonymous Castaigne August 09, 2014 6:15 PM  

@Nate: Not just that... but how many of us have made good friends out of confrontations like that where, simply by the way someone took a punch, they earned your respect?

I know I have.


How, exactly?

Respect is only earned through fear. You respect God because you fear Him. You respect your parents because you fear them. You respect your employer because you fear him.

Why would one be "friends" with an inferior? Why would one be "friends" with someone who fears you?

It should be noted that this is why Scalzi does not respect Vox; Vox has not made Scalzi fear him.

Yet somehow every time the Germans come calling the French end up like bloody smear on the wall.

It's because Germans have a consistently superior culture and outlook. More rational. More logical. Less emotional. Thus more societal unity and less societal conflict.

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@Shibes Meadow: Let's all pray that God will soon raise up a warrior who will lead the next Crusade.

Speaking as a Catholic, you really don't want that. As soon as we finished with the Muslims (or even while we're doing it), we'd complete the job with the apostates and heretics who call themselves Protestants. It would not end well for you.

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@B Lewis: I do not hate anyone. As a Catholic, my religion does not permit it.

That is a lie. By commandment of the Church, we are commanded to hate evil and destroy it. To do this is to serve God. By stating that Catholicism does not permit hatred of evil, you are speaking heresy.

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@Don: Throw a few punches, get a bloody nose or really have a dust up and both sides are shortly satisfied with the results. Winner wins, loser thinks, 'that was stupid, he kicked my ass' or 'that was a good fight' and it's over.

That's crap. It's never been that way outside of a book or the movies. Vengeance is the prime motivator of the majority of Americans. It was never like how you described when I was growing up or when my father grew up. Previous to that, can't say, because that far back the family was still in Prussia.

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@James Dixon: Not even close, Tommy. We've been playing with kid's gloves and one hand tied behind our backs. You have absolutely no idea what we're capable of.

And no one's going to find out either. We have no business there. There are no resources for us or American corporate interests to reasonably defend. There's no point in it unless we're going to enslave those nations and make then American states.

Rural areas are much more American.

And only make up 17-18% of the population at this point. God favors the bigger battalions.

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@Beefy Levinson: I can't imagine Christians willing to fight on behalf of Christianity like that barring some cataclysmic, existential threat.

Clearly you are not Catholic and clearly you have never studied the Crusades.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 6:38 PM  

"For all you know, I might have infiltrated the IRS in guise of a computer technician and "backed up" certain missing e-mails, and might now be employing them to make certain officials in your government dance like trained monkeys."

oh you certainly could. No doubt the long lived do not want for patience. never the less... I find it hard to believe that you've not had a long history of being let down by minions.

Blogger Nate August 09, 2014 6:41 PM  

"And only make up 17-18% of the population at this point. God favors the bigger battalions."

2010 it was 19%... and we're talking about 59 million people. Who are much much better armed and much much more proficient with those arms.

And Urban vs Rural doesn't cut it. Urban Birmingham AL is not even remotely the same thing as Urban Anywhere in Yankee Hell.

Blogger James Dixon August 09, 2014 6:57 PM  

> Sigh....listen, I'm going to be very explicit: THOSE WERE UNJUSTIFIED, UNPROVOKED WARS.

Where did I say anything about that one way or another? I said, effectively, that what we've done is 1/10 of what we could have done if we had chosen to.

> We've been......capable of."

Leadership can change, Cassandra. That's all it would take.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 09, 2014 7:34 PM  

Is this "Castaigne" that creature which made my consort laugh so merrily? From the looks of things, he is quite confused and quite historically illiterate.

But a few days ago, he claimed that it is only weak men who cannot detach from emotionalism, and classed moral revulsion as emotionalism.

Today, he insists that the irritation over insults always and ever sparks a thirst for deadly revenge, and can be no otherwise except in the weak. He insists that hatred of persons--not of ideas, not of acts, but of persons--is required by his faith, and that one must recoil in moral revulsion from them; only the faithless (or, in other words, the weak) would insist upon loving one's enemies. He insists that respect can only be had through fear, and thus that no two friends may respect one another.

I see much of emotion and little of cold reason from this strong, superior fellow.

But this, perhaps, is the best bit of his attention-seeking comments:

"who here has any respect for the moral authority of either SFWA or Obama's Department of Justice"

Only God has moral authority. Neither the SFWA nor the DOJ have ever had moral authority. Neither has any country or government in existence or existing previously ever had moral authority.


I am willing to entertain wagers on whether this fellow turns out to be our old friend Asher.

Anonymous Don August 09, 2014 7:51 PM  

Castaigne - You know nothing. It was exactly like that growing up and to a large extent still that way in my very rural area. Books and movies? No, actual experience. I don't remember how many times I got in fights as a boy and I watched the occasional fight between men.

Where are you from?

Blogger Matthew August 09, 2014 7:51 PM  

it reminds me of a story I heard once from a friend of mine.



Anyway, he says a big French warship (or group) shows up in the harbor, anchors, and immediately fires a few shots of their BIG guns. Pure show of strength. The message was clear. Do not mess with us or we will destroy you poorly armed half savages.


That friend's name?

Joseph Conrad.

Anonymous Don August 09, 2014 7:58 PM  

Hell I watched my dad get in a fight back in the seventies when somebody cut in line during the 'gas wars'. He won and chased the guys back into their little car. The entire line of people had gotten out to watch and he got a round of applause from everyone in line.

No 'duels to the death' no knives or guns. The guys just got back in their car and drove away as fast as they could. That's just one of many such fights I saw.

Anonymous Clayton Bigsby August 09, 2014 9:13 PM  

“The problem with the feminized interpretation of civilization that is presently dominant is that it eliminates the social mechanisms of violence that have kept men reasonably in line for thousands of years.”

Assuming that the world you described existed universally. Nostalgia has a funny way of obscuring how things really were and how things were ideally presented. The 1950’s come to mind.


“I am simply playing the game by the rules.”



According to ONE theorized social hierarchy, indeed.


“I prefer to live in a homogenous community of people generally similar to me in genetic, religious, and ideological terms.”



You can, locally. Nationally, an entirely different matter.


“I just wish there was a place without them where we could go to relax and be human.”



Define “human”. How does one become “human”? What are its desirable traits? Who determines whether one is “human”?


“The sad thing is we probably won't even get the chance to hunt down those we most despise because someone else will have shot them dead the second time they opened their big snarky mouths.”



How very civilized! Let us all “Survive The Game”.


“Well said, indeed, Vox. Violence works.”



So says our resident bankster.


“For example, look at how McRapey is STILL snarking about me nine years after first attacking me; in a more civilized society, I'd simply have punched him in the face two or three times and the matter would have been forgotten about years ago.”


Assuming that the matter would be closed, or that there would not be consequences assuredly living in a christian-based society, this action would decidedly would be frowned upon, with measures taken by both families involved.


“The descent into barbarism will not be easy for anyone, but the silver lining is that open barbarism is considerably more satisfying for the strong than pseudo-civilization.”



All of these posts on “civilized” and “barbarism”, and yet its definition and how it is applied has yet to be completely agreed upon. It never has been...it never will.

Anonymous Philalethes August 09, 2014 9:41 PM  

...a certain ethno-religious group displayed most if not all of the same feminine-oriented traits of Leftists & that their political disposition's largely Leftist as well.

Otto Weininger wrote about this a century ago. More about Weininger and his book at The Thinking Man's Minefield.

Blogger James Dixon August 09, 2014 10:31 PM  

> I am willing to entertain wagers on whether this fellow turns out to be our old friend Asher.

If I had to place a bet, I'd say Tad.

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 10:51 PM  


James Dixon/09Aug14@6:57PM,

"Leadership......take."

Romney, Paul, Shrillary, Carson, BECK?


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 09, 2014 11:46 PM  


I have to agree w/ Castaigne, the type of fights I saw/experienced growing up were nothing like those Nate & Don describe. Post-combat respect from the person who just had the s*** beat out of them was the stuff of TV/movies & the boxing ring, in the street/bar it was him/them or you/yours w/ the object being total victory & those likely to try for a re-match got especially severe treatment. In general, however, such events occurred well away from rubberneckers & LE interruption w/ the only evidence of hostilities being in the ICU or (sometimes, but not that often) on the shore of the Bay.

Other than the Angels occasional group friskiness, large scale dances generated too much attn which lead to unnecessary income disruptions & so were vigorously discouraged.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Discard August 09, 2014 11:55 PM  

Regarding the original topic of physical vs verbal fighting: I had a big mouth in high school, and got slugged for it once. The fact is, I had it coming. The idea that the articulate have a right to whip on others with their favorite weapon, and that the less articulate are obligated to lose is no different than the belief that I have a right to what's yours because I'm stronger.

Anonymous The other skeptic August 10, 2014 12:15 AM  

It is because the material American identity is actually a variant of the English identity, like Australian or New Zealand

OK, but it seems to me that those left behind in England seem to be pussies compared with those of English descent in America, Australia or New Zealand.

Blogger Akulkis August 10, 2014 12:15 AM  

I just wish there was a place without them where we could go to relax and be human.

That's the prospective silver lining in the eventual collapse of society. At least we can hunt them down and shoot them for sport. I'm a civilized man, but there is something to the call of the wild. Perhaps it is my Indian heritage.


I've been saying for years that we should put sniper teams across from fast-food restaurants, with orders to plug anyone who fits the morbidly obese category.

Anonymous Anonymous August 10, 2014 1:00 AM  


Philalethes/09Aug14@9:41PM,

Heady stuff, but I'm not sure I agree w/ him in totality & suspect that he may've been biased against Jews for the same reason Marx was thus tainting his conclusions. It sure looks like that's the case from the snippets at Wikipedia & the site, the book was just too long to give more than a cursory review but from what little I perused I think my hypothesis may be correct.

Either way, interesting. Thank you.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Anonymous Anonymous August 10, 2014 1:30 AM  


Discard/09Aug14@11:55PM,

"The idea......stronger."

Concur.

Poses some rather interesting questions about the stereotypical Westerner & Southerner w/ the former being known for stoic reserve & terseness & the latter for gregariousness & verbosity.


Cassandra (of Troy)

Blogger Matthew August 10, 2014 1:36 AM  

Cassandra (of Troy), rather than commenting as Anonymous, you can choose Name/URL in the "Comment as:" menu and enter only a name.

It's easy, if you try.

Blogger Tom Kratman August 10, 2014 1:36 AM  

"Generation Identitaire"

Just based on faces I'd have pegged several of them for Arabs. Descendents of Algerians who came over long ago and married locally? Well, hell, pretty much everybody bordering the Med has at least _some_ Arab or Berber or some other version of Middle East or North African somewhere in the wood pile.

Be nice if they managed to repeal 1968, where "repeal" = ropes+lampposts+68ers, some assembly required.

Blogger Matthew August 10, 2014 1:38 AM  

Also, you may enjoy this YA book about your namesake.

Blogger Akulkis August 10, 2014 1:55 AM  

"...my Anal-American friend."

Tommy, I do believe you've just coined the new politically correct term for homosexuals.


I just modify one of their favorite terms to make it more accurate:

queerdo (variant spelling: kweirdo, depending on the circumstances)

Anonymous B Lewis August 10, 2014 2:29 AM  

Castaigne:"B Lewis: I do not hate anyone. As a Catholic, my religion does not permit it."

That is a lie.


You must belong to some other Catholic Church than the one centered upon Rome.

By commandment of the Church, we are commanded to hate evil and destroy it. To do this is to serve God. By stating that Catholicism does not permit hatred of evil, you are speaking heresy.

With all due respect, I suspect that reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I never stated that Catholicism does not permit hatred of evil. I said that Catholic religion does not permit hatred of any one, that is, of any person. Apparently you do not understand the difference between hatred of evil deeds and of evil doers.

I suggest you re-read the Catechism at the earliest opportunity. Your words make no sense.

Anonymous damaged justice August 10, 2014 6:26 AM  

Re Castaigne: The Ilk deserve a better class of troll.

Blogger Akulkis August 10, 2014 2:31 PM  

Islam is a demonically inspired false religion that must be resisted to a martyr's end if necessary. That being said, where do the Mohammedans dig up all these young men willing to fight and kill and die for their false religion?

It's easy -- their societies are hopeless shitholes. Now, note that I don't mean in a materialistic sense: Saudi Arabia is clearly not a 3rd world country -- the cities look like any American city in a desert, but they live in oppressive regimes where nobody is allowed to be different. Painting a picture of a PERSON is a revolutionary act which can land the artist in jail. There is no hope of personal achievement. If you have an original idea, chances are, you'll NEVER be allowed to pursue it.

The remaining sources of terrorist live under less oppressive governments, but are shitholes in a materialistic sense -- once again, if you have an original idea, you won't be able to pursue it -- simply for lack of means to do so --both personally, and the society's inability to support it (lack of infrastructure, and too high of a percentage of people living hand to mouth to assist you in your project).

When national governments are doing poorly with internal matters (embezzlement of the national wealth, tribal nepotism being the first, last, and every other consideration of who to hire and promote--especially in government, failure to improve the infrastructure, failure to restrain reactionary police, etc.) then the way to get the people to stop thinking about how shitty their life is and always will be, is to constantly bombard the public with external threats -- and especially for Muslims, any country which isn't under Muslim rule.

So, you get bright people, who can't do anything to achieve anything... that's enough to make someone with dreams, especially idealistic dreams, suicidal in the first place. It's very easy to take an idealist, and redirect his idealism towards achieving a religious goal -- especially if he can't (isn't allowed to) see that the cause of his misery IS the damned religion he lives in is one which stomps out creativity, inquisition and curiousity about anything significant. [Note that all of the intellectual accomplishments claimed by Muslims, such as algebrea, took place in a land which was RECENTLY (within a few decades) non-Muslims. Those accomplishments were NOT the result of Muslim thought or philosophy, but the last dying gasps of the pre-Muslim culture.

Easy pickings for someone who wants to recruit a wet-ware guidance system for guided missiles without goin to the time and expense of both R&D and buildinging $50 millions dollar aircraft to deliver them and $200,000 electronic circuits to guid them.

Blogger Akulkis August 10, 2014 2:39 PM  

Anyway, he says a big French warship (or group) shows up in the harbor, anchors, and immediately fires a few shots of their BIG guns. Pure show of strength. The message was clear. Do not mess with us or we will destroy you poorly armed half savages.

No, that was a proper naval salute to the highest admiral stationed at that port.

Some naval ships have a gun on the bow for NO OTHER PURPOSE than rendering such salutes (using blanks). Sometimes, it's the ONLY gun on the ship.

Anonymous Thor! August 10, 2014 2:55 PM  

Loki will never surpass me.

While I put my effort and concentration into ruling as a ruler, Loki puts his efforts and concentration into his trickery.

He's like the conman, who, if he put as much effort into honest work as he does into running his various flim-flams and other con-games, would be quite rich.

His problem isn't his industriousness nor his ability -- it's the fact that he focusses on the wrong thing.

Anonymous Loki Sjalfsainn August 10, 2014 4:27 PM  

Odd that you should speak of "flim-flams" when you are utterly incapable of mimicking the high speech of Asgard.

Thor you are certainly not.

Blogger Tommy Hass August 10, 2014 9:31 PM  

"especially if he can't (isn't allowed to) see that the cause of his misery IS the damned religion he lives in is one which stomps out creativity,"

>every Islamic country is Saudi Arabia

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus August 11, 2014 1:41 AM  

Beefy Levinson: "Islam is a demonically inspired false religion that must be resisted to a martyr's end if necessary."

That's not much of an insult. Christianity puts all kinds of harmless things in that category. Naturally we see people being least eager to oppose that one of a myriad array of "demonic" things which will actually inflict violence on you if you oppose it.

Beefy Levinson: "That being said, where do the Mohammedans dig up all these young men willing to fight and kill and die for their false religion?"

It's young men with terrible marriage prospects (which polygamy for older, wealthier men does nothing to help), and specifically (because this provokes a crisis with a tight date frame, stirring men to immediate action) it's young men being rammed into an arranged marriage they consider worse than death. Literally.

Beefy Levinson: "I can't imagine Christians willing to fight on behalf of Christianity like that barring some cataclysmic, existential threat."

Having had a Christian Palestinian friend whose opinions were very instructive to me, I can.

The problem is top down. You cannot effectively fight on behalf of a religion that likes Jews better than you, and nowadays that likes Muslims better than you too.

In the costs of conflict avoidance, include this: if you let your churches get taken over by smooth, "conflict-avoiding" traitors, your young men will be unable to fight for you, and you will be displaced. And if you let your marital system be "liberalized" in ways that allow the spread of the Middle Eastern system, you create a recruiter for violent and even suicidal jihad.

Anonymous Discard August 11, 2014 2:18 AM  

Akulkis: The USS New Jersey had a saluting gun, 75 mm or something like that. No point in using 200 pounds of powder per shot fired just to say "Hi" to the local potentate.

Titus Didius Tacitus: No female preachers, ever.

Anonymous Anonymous August 11, 2014 8:25 AM  


Akulkis/10Aug14@2:31PM,

The homosexual assaults Muslim adult males regularly subject boys to would also tend to make them a trifle testy & that such outrages are sanctioned by the victim's religion & society would compound the fury.

Cassandra (of Troy)

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