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Monday, September 08, 2014

A rhetorical case for segregation

Obviously, the counter-argument is that anyone who doesn't want their young son to be attacked and beaten into unconsciousness by a horde of vibrant youth while working is just a terrible, terrible raciss and bad person:
Kroger customers are afraid and outraged by a recent brutal beating that took place. Particularly, because it was unprovoked and could have happened to anyone.

WMC Action News 5 pulled up the video on a cell phone and went to the spot where the assaults happened. As you might imagine, shoppers who watched the video were outraged.

Some couldn’t believe what they were seeing.

“That’s a shame there is no excuse for any of that,” said James Murf.

The grocery store is practically brand new, built just last year. How two store employees and a customer could get beat up there has many baffled.

“I don’t know what the world is coming to when people just attack some random person,” said Barbara Michael.

A witness says he was standing there watching the fight as it happened. He declined to go on camera but told WMC he thought the hitting and kicking started after a Kroger employee exchanged words with a young man in the parking lot, over a shopping basket.
Translation: the employee was trying to do his job and the vibrant youth violently objected. In a free society, Kroger would simply announce that it will no longer permit any vibrants under the age of forty to enter its premises for insurance reasons. But we do not live in a free society, which is why the American people are eventually going to find themselves in a race war of epic proportions that will last until the historical state of ethnic homogenuity prevails. A five percent minority population appears to be the maximum limit of mutually beneficial inter-ethnic relations; it can be less, of course, depending upon the behavior of the minority.

Nobody in his right mind wants a race war. Or any sort of civil war. Wars are always unpredictable. But no one who is cognizant of history will deny that partition wars are how multiethnic empires usually come to an end. Reading WWI histories very much drives home certain similarities between the collapsing, decadent Austro-Hungarian empire and the still-powerful, but creaky Pax Americana; the USA has not yet lost its military dominance but the various cracks in its power are readily visible. And the problem is that the only reliable way to avoid race wars is not idiotic sloganeering and inter-racial propaganda, but segregated borders.

Jared Diamond and his theories of geographic determinism notwithstanding, those historical states did not come about by accident, any more than Zimbabwe now just happens to be almost entirely black or Iraq now just happens to be almost entirely free of Jews and Christians. It would be hard to identify a time in human history when some form of ethnic or religious cleansing was not taking place.

The evil myth of racial equality in America could only survive so long as vibrants were a mostly segregated minority, whose predilections and general dyscivicism were hidden from the white college students who only ever came across the vibrant best and brightest. The Civil Rights movement, which some conservatives still foolishly lionize, was a disaster for the USA; not as historically cataclysmic as the Immigration Act of 1965 or the combination of no-fault divorce and legal abortion, but a disaster nonetheless.

England is beginning to come to terms with the fact that Enoch Powell was right. I expect that America will eventually come to terms with the fact that Bull Connor and George Wallace were right as well. But the segregationists made one serious mistake. "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" is just a rhetoric. The more convincing argument, and the historical reality, is this: "Segregation now or elimination tomorrow."

And before all the white boy liberals are tempted to play the Raciss Card, just remember, kemosabe, the Red Card trumps it. And my tribe knows all about the vital necessity of segregation for survival, or as we call it, the reservation.

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Blogger El Borak September 08, 2014 9:07 AM  

the Red Card trumps it

Dude, you must laugh out loud every time you type that...

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 9:11 AM  

And before all the white boy liberals are tempted to play the Raciss Card, just remember, kemosabe, the Red Card trumps it.

You have casinos now. It's all good.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2014 9:14 AM  

Everybody wants segregation. White liberals pay half a million dollars for their houses just to keep away from the Vibrants. Racists are not evil because they don't like Blacks and Mexicans, but because they embarrass liberals with their truth-telling.

Blogger Eowyn September 08, 2014 9:21 AM  

Saw that story on my news feed last night. The interesting thing is that the black commenters are calling for calm and reasoning and patience for all of the facts to be reported (like anyone with eyes can't see that it was a herd of feral black teens). The more interesting thing thing is that white commenters are throwing Ferguson back in their faces. More and more, whites are beginning to wake up to the fact that all of their compassion and guilt has earned them only greater contempt and hatred from blacks.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 9:23 AM  

Dammit Memphis.

Anonymous AlteredFate September 08, 2014 9:29 AM  

Segregation will never be accepted by the ruling class in modern America. They will continue their attempts at forced societal desegregation until they have finally convinced enough whites that it is in their best interest to get them before they get you. Hopefully they remember who it was that put them in such a position. When the blacks see what the whites do to their own who have historically promoted this nonsense they will promptly decide segregation is right for them too.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 9:37 AM  

Segregation will never be accepted by the ruling class in modern America.

Actually, it has been. Segregation for me and not for thee.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 9:44 AM  

> You have casinos now. It's all good.

And tax free cigarettes. You can give the white man cancer and laugh all the way to the bank.

Anonymous Scalzifan4eva September 08, 2014 9:49 AM  

It's okay to have blacks in the neighborhood... as long as they make up less than .2% of the population and they stay on the other side of the really, really big lawn.

Anonymous PA September 08, 2014 9:52 AM  

What's needed is a shorthand name for the current state of affairs. Normally, historic circumstances don't have a name for them; those come after the fact. Nobody was calling it "Holocaust" in 1943.

For the general suite of practices that harm people of European descent, it seems like "anti-white" has started to catch on. But a name is needed for the demographic harassment and ultimately strangulation of Whites by means of racial integration.

"Togetherheid" was a creative twist on Apartheid, but most likely another term will come into common usage eventually.

Anonymous AlteredFate September 08, 2014 9:53 AM  

Actually, it has been. Segregation for me and not for thee

Agree. Let me rephrase; segregation of the lower and middle classes will never be accepted by the ruling class in modern America.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2014 9:55 AM  

"Anti-racism" is a code word for anti-white, and a complete fraud. If the left loses the use of the propaganda word "racist" IMO the left is basically done for in the West. Feminism only matters to whites, and the other non-white "racists" do not give a fig for other races' poor.

'Murka is Yugoslavia writ much bigger, and evil equalitarian looter elite demonizing a majority in its propaganda created a tinderbox of hatred.

Blogger borderwalker September 08, 2014 10:07 AM  

Related, on a number of tangents: Bruce Levenson of the Atlanta Hawks management, is the new Donald Tokowitz (Sterling):

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/07/us/atlanta-hawks-owner-bruce-levenson-racist-email/index.html

"In a 2012 e-mail addressing the troubles the franchise faced in attracting more affluent white season-ticket holders, Levenson said he had taken a look around Philips Arena and noticed a few things.

First, the audience was 70% black, he wrote. But that wasn't all. The stadium's bars were 90% black. There were few fathers and sons at the games. The cheerleaders were black. The music played in the arena was hip-hop, and the after-game concerts were either rap or gospel acts.

'Then i start looking around at other arenas. It is completely different. Even (Washington) DC with its affluent black community never has more than 15 pct black audience,' he wrote.

Now, he's losing his franchise because of the e-mail.
"

Anonymous Roundtine September 08, 2014 10:17 AM  

And tax free cigarettes.

And tax free gas. The casino sells it on premises for local prices, but doesn't pay any of the taxes. 200% profit.

Anonymous Mr. Jay September 08, 2014 10:25 AM  

El Borak:

'the Red Card trumps it

Dude, you must laugh out loud every time you type that..."

Thread winner...

Anonymous Red Comet September 08, 2014 10:29 AM  

Related, on a number of tangents: Bruce Levenson of the Atlanta Hawks management, is the new Donald Tokowitz (Sterling):

And, as always, I like how someone whose surname might as well be McJewLastName is white in the media until it's time to be a victim again.

Anonymous p-dawg September 08, 2014 10:33 AM  

'“I just think as a community we need to be praying it ain’t a black and white thing we just need to be praying. It ain’t a black and white thing we just need to be praying for humanity as a whole when you look at the violence that is going on overseas it ain’t just here its everywhere so we need to be praying"'

This is the equivalent of throwing a pinch of salt over your shoulder or holding your breath while crossing a bridge in a car. It's just a superstitious attempt to ward off the "evil".

Anonymous Edjamacator September 08, 2014 10:35 AM  

"“I just think as a community we need to be praying it ain’t a black and white thing we just need to be praying. It ain’t a black and white thing we just need to be praying for humanity as a whole when you look at the violence that is going on overseas it ain’t just here its everywhere so we need to be praying,” added one shopper."

Yeah, keep burying your head in the sand. I still wonder how long until idiots like this are forced to face - and accept - reality.

Anonymous Joseph September 08, 2014 10:36 AM  

just remember, kemosabe...

It's possible to be a racist fucktard and also be mixed race. Just FYI.

Blogger Markku September 08, 2014 10:38 AM  

It's possible to be a racist fucktard and also be mixed race. Just FYI.

Sounds like white privilege talking. Check it, fuckface.

Blogger Robert What? September 08, 2014 10:38 AM  

A five percent minority population appears to be the maximum limit of mutually beneficial inter-ethnic relations.

I frequent a small, upscale town in the northeast (to be unnamed). It is full of white liberals who are all for "social justice". They can afford to be like that because they don't have to live with the reality of their ideologies.

There is a smattering of blacks there who realize that they are the "spice" in the stew. They also seem to be quite happy to be there. You would see nobody more unhappy than the black people there to see a load of their "vibrant" brethren move into town.

Anonymous Heh September 08, 2014 10:40 AM  

segregation of the lower and middle classes will never be accepted by the ruling class in modern America.

They want to keep the white proles so busy guarding their possessions and fearing for their lives that they won't notice that the ruling class is the real author of their woes.

It's possible to be a racist fucktard and also be mixed race.

Like "white Hispanic" Zimmerman.

Vox is a white Injun... the red card is taken away if he doesn't say what the Left wants.

Anonymous Bah September 08, 2014 10:42 AM  

they are the "spice" in the stew.

More like the turd in the bowl of ice cream.

Vibrancy is like poop; even a small amount of it ruins a large amount of goodness.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2014 September 08, 2014 10:43 AM  

Power to the people means, like hello, electricity etc! It has little to do with representation.
See Vox if politicians weren't at War already with a stupid-useless-eaters populations they'd be trying to get affordable energy/ affordable food/ medicine to the general public. But it is already a war of corporations/ clubs/ guilds/ societies.

I respect your opinions and suspect you are more than half right. But a multi ethnic mix can work - the trick is Jesus truly loved, honoured, preached.

Secularism is the torpedo that sinks multi ethnic anything and everything. Secularism sink the mono culture mono ethnic ship just as easily.

One Flag, One set of rules, Christianity Works! The inverted pyramid is supported by a perfect balance, perfect leader. Think on it all of a subliminal second.

Reproduce and disseminate, time is slipping.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 10:45 AM  

just remember, kemosabe...

It's possible to be a racist fucktard and also be mixed race. Just FYI.


A single tear flows down the redskins cheek as the garbage of hate blows about his moccasins.

sniffle.

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2014 10:47 AM  

The Levenson story breaking right now is an interesting look at the same question from a different point of view. I've actually read the email, and I'm struggling to see how it's offensive other than it denies The Narrative™ and is politically incorrect. It's not racist in the least. In fact, it's anti-racist, since it by inference accuses the white would-be ticket buyers of unjustified racist.

And yet... nobody is making any claims whatsoever to whether or not the observably obvious comments he made about sales are factually incorrect. It's like nobody is allowed to consider why catering specifically and relentlessly to a single subcultural group within America would tend to decrease demand across other subcultural groups. And why if the subcultural group you're targeting isn't the majority one, why your sales are down.

Just very odd. Levenson almost seems to be coming across as a Trojan horse, appearing to be a typical SJW apologist bowing to pressure that hasn't even materialized when in reality, he's exposing the SJW agenda as foolish and ridiculous in front of the entire nation.

Anonymous Zell September 08, 2014 10:54 AM  

Joshua,

Or maybe a trojan horse in the other direction: a SJW self-immolating to show that even the utterly non-racist is, in fact, racist and a punishable offense.

If I recall right (I can't check it right now) his email is filled to the brim with all kinds of apologetic, please-don't-think-I'm-racist shit.

Most likely? He realized that what he wrote, since he implied a primarily black audience was a bad thing as far as sales go, was potential dynamite to destroy him. And he knew he didn't have the balls to stand up for himself if it came to that.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum September 08, 2014 10:55 AM  

Gives the song Walking in Memphis a whole new meaning!

Someone more musically talented than I can come with some appropriate parody lyrics to that Marc Cohn song to commemorate this little event.

I'm at least honest about not wanting to have anything to do with pretty much all African Americans.

I want to have nothing to do with them for the same reason I want to have nothing to do with 5th century Visigoths.

Anonymous VD September 08, 2014 10:55 AM  

It's possible to be a racist fucktard and also be mixed race.

Tell it to the tribe, white man. Tell it to the tribe. And do you really think a group of people literally and legally defined by blood are concerned about your weird white anti-racism fetish

Anonymous MM September 08, 2014 10:57 AM  

If blacks and whites are segregated, then the yellows (oriental asians) and the browns (latino, hispanic) must be segregated from the blacks and whites as well. All races and ethnicities must be segregated from each other.

Blogger The Remnant September 08, 2014 11:00 AM  

Whites do not typically think of ourselves as white; I know I don't. The problem is that every other demographic DOES think of us as white and DOES think of itself in racial terms. Color blindness and civility work only if all involved parties accept it. They don't, so we will have to cease doing so as well.

This is unfortunate because I believe it is better to judge a person on his character rather than his race. But ideals such as this are themselves the product of a particular people; they are not universal, and they cannot hold society together.

Blogger Robert What? September 08, 2014 11:02 AM  

Not all vibrants are non white.

Anonymous Tom September 08, 2014 11:07 AM  

"it can be less, of course, depending upon the behavior of the minority."

I remember reading somewhere that the key number for muslims was 2% of the population. Once they reach that number they begin trying to impose their will on the mainstream population.

Anonymous Musashi September 08, 2014 11:09 AM  

They're incapable of learning.

Ain't but one way of dealing with that.....ever was it thus.

Anonymous Alexander September 08, 2014 11:09 AM  

The key number for Muslims is 0. It might take 2% to make them start imposing stuff, but there's no gain from having less than 2% but more than none.

Anonymous Alexander September 08, 2014 11:11 AM  

Though to be fair to the Muslims, I'm not seeing a lot of benefit of a non-zero number of Africans of any stripe, except perhaps Boer. So it's not a unique "Muslim" situation entirely.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 11:18 AM  

> Bruce Levenson of the Atlanta Hawks management, is the new Donald Tokowitz (Sterling):

The NBA has made it clear that they're actually the NBBA. All white fans should vote with their wallets accordingly.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 11:19 AM  

Vox,

Race isn't the factor you think it is. The issue is poverty levels through reduced opportunity, under-reported white crime, and race-targeting by authorities. Most communities that have gone through these issues are unlikely to act peacefully or politely. They have no reason to.

But the solution isn't segregation. It's addressing those specific problems. Segregation is merely creating a system that reduces free association generally for the trade off of being able to say it exists individually... for those who are white, not poor, and free of authority harassment.

You might have your heritage to fall back on, but I have the anecdote of growing up poor. Crime and violence in those communities was equally likely to be caused by or happen to a hispanic, black, or a white. But I did watch the whites get off more often than the others when the police stopped them for similar crimes. No matter how polite or belligerent the person.




Anonymous Statists are so dull September 08, 2014 11:21 AM  

All races and ethnicities must be segregated from each other.

We used to have things called countries for that but apparently they were raciss

Anonymous VD September 08, 2014 11:26 AM  

Race isn't the factor you think it is. The issue is poverty levels through reduced opportunity, under-reported white crime, and race-targeting by authorities.

You're absolutely wrong. You have your causation backwards. Race causes poverty and the other resultant problems.

I have the anecdote of growing up poor.

And there is your problem. I have no doubt that whites walked more often for petty crime in your neighborhood. Because the cops were white. But the fact is that they don't rape, they don't assault, and they don't kill anywhere nearly as often as blacks do.

This is mostly because they lack the aggression-related genetic trigger that a minority of blacks have in varying degrees.

Anonymous Alexander September 08, 2014 11:26 AM  

Reduced opportunity? Left to their own devices, the blacks wouldn't have any opportunity beyond stealing a mud hut and basket of yams from the next village.

And the idea that our society somehow protects freedom of association is a riot.

Look, I'm not asking for the government to enforce segregation - I'm asking for it to remove itself from the issue entirely. And when it does this, *the act of people freely practicing their right of free association* will result in de facto segregation.

You've got everything twisted up.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 11:32 AM  

> ... but I have the anecdote of growing up poor.

Yeah, because you're obviously the only one here that did.

Anonymous JCB September 08, 2014 11:34 AM  

"Race isn't the factor you think it is. The issue is poverty levels through reduced opportunity, under-reported white crime, and race-targeting by authorities."

Then what is Haiti's excuse?

Blogger Pravda Zvíťazí September 08, 2014 11:35 AM  

Like Eric Holder, right?

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2014 11:37 AM  

Most likely? He realized that what he wrote, since he implied a primarily black audience was a bad thing as far as sales go, was potential dynamite to destroy him. And he knew he didn't have the balls to stand up for himself if it came to that.

Oh, I know. That's why I said that "it's almost as if..." I agree with your speculation 100% as the most likely actual cause. I'm talking about a potential effect. This kind of thing opens the eyes of those indoctrinated in the mystery cults of diversity and white guilt as to how ridiculous they actually are.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings September 08, 2014 11:52 AM  


For the general suite of practices that harm people of European descent, it seems like "anti-white" has started to catch on. But a name is needed for the demographic harassment and ultimately strangulation of Whites by means of racial integration.


Weisse-hass or perhaps Weissen-hass. Perhaps in time such a crude term would be prettied up into "anti-caucasianism" in order to make people feel better.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 11:53 AM  

The history of western civilization is not one of segregation. It is one of white westerners mucking about with vibrant cultures in far off lands in search of treasure and adventure, using military might. Over and over.

Rome, Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, USA, ... the history is replete with westerners screwing with the vibrants of the world and colonizing their homelands, siphoning their wealth, subjugating their peoples, and involving themselves in the civil matters of sovereign foreign nations. Historically, westerners only seem to desire segregation after they have sufficiently integrated themselves.

Now suddenly you are advocating for segregation because your precious western civilization appears to be putrifying from within?

What on earth makes you think history will somehow miraculously be different this time? What guarantee can you offer the world that despite thousands of years of historical evidence to the contrary, THIS TIME you intend to keep to yourselves and remain segregated?

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 11:56 AM  

> It is one of white westerners mucking about with vibrant cultures in far off lands in search of treasure and adventure, using military might. Over and over.

Vibrant cultures which were more than willing to use their own military might to do the same with their neighbors. It's not a western only vice, Porky.

Anonymous Tom September 08, 2014 12:00 PM  

@ Porky: Are you jewish?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:01 PM  

Vox,

Race causes poverty and the other resultant problems.

Being black doesn't cause one to be poor. Lack of opportunity in societal systems does. With the rise of the West, Africa (and other areas) have been exploited and so have African-Americans, limiting their opportunity to develop resources or create lasting intuitions. Segregation would further this issue by continuing to lock them out of the very system that would allow them to do these things. This is little more than political warfare. The same is true if you segregate the rich from the poor. And then bitch that the poor are stupid and can't develop property in a system that disfavors them.

Under-reported white crime and race-targeting by authorities is caused by race, but not the biological aspect you believe exists; these are cultural perceptions at work. Not much different in believing they are more violent... so they should be locked up more.

But the fact is that they don't rape, they don't assault, and they don't kill anywhere nearly as often as blacks do.

Via Wiki: According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3%.

There is also another statement about a larger disparity... However, in an exploited community that has been subjugated to abuses by authorities, we can hardly be surprised to see such a disparity. Lack of institutions, opportunities, and resources will always cause some communities to react negatively.

This is mostly because they lack the aggression-related genetic trigger that a minority of blacks have in varying degrees.

Nonsense. See above.



Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 12:03 PM  

Northern hamlet--you had indoor plumbing; you weren't poor.

Anonymous PA September 08, 2014 12:06 PM  

"Weisse-hass"

We may have the macro-problem covered with "anti-white." It's caught on, it seems.

But what's missing is a memorable term for forced integration.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:08 PM  

> Via Wiki: According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3%.

And blacks make up 12.6 % of the population while whites make up 72.4 %. So a population of approximately 1/6th of size commits more murders. Somehow I don't think that statistic says what you think it does.

Anonymous John September 08, 2014 12:08 PM  

Now suddenly you are advocating for segregation because your precious western civilization appears to be putrifying from within?

Well, if putrifying from within means the host being overwhelmed by parasites, then yeah. Absent vibrants, there's no reason at all to think putrifying from within would be happening. There's a threshold of vibrants that white societies can withstand (and even then only worked with freedom of association), beyond which your putrification begins in earnest. We're well beyond that threshold.

This is putrification from without.

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 12:10 PM  

under-reported white crime

@NorthernHamlet - where are you coming up with this assertion of under-reported white crime? If anything white crime is over-reported because many hispanics are being counted as white when they commit crimes. .

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:11 PM  

Vibrant cultures which were more than willing to use their own military might to do the same with their neighbors. It's not a western only vice, Porky.

Then segregation is pointless. It just insures that the future conflict will be more brutal.

You guys are so bent on treating the symptom you ignore the cause.

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 12:12 PM  

Rome, Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, USA, ..

Why doesn't Israel make your list?

Anonymous John September 08, 2014 12:13 PM  

Being black doesn't cause one to be poor. Lack of opportunity in societal systems does.

More than any factor, low IQ causes poverty, particularly community wide low IQ. Anybody can have a low IQ and end up poor. As it happens though, low IQ isn't equally distributed among all races, resulting in the thoroughly predictable life outcomes that are viewed the world wide.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:13 PM  

James Dixon,

And blacks make up 12.6 % of the population while whites make up 72.4 %. So a population of approximately 1/6th of size commits more murders. Somehow I don't think that statistic says what you think it does.

Keep reading. I addressed the disparity and said we would expect to find it. I also meant to add that we should focus on homicide instead of rape or assault stats.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:17 PM  

@John:Absent vibrants, there's no reason at all to think putrifying from within would be happening.

Why? Are white westerners immune from sin, corruption, greed, violence, and immorality?

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:18 PM  

> You guys are so bent on treating the symptom you ignore the cause.

You're arguing both a different symptom and cause that Vox is, Porky. But I'm not surprised that you don't see that.

Anonymous PA September 08, 2014 12:18 PM  

"Rome, Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, Britain, Austria-Hungary, USA, .."

Which is why Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Ireland are getting flooded with coloreds.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:19 PM  

11B,

@NorthernHamlet - where are you coming up with this assertion of under-reported white crime? If anything white crime is over-reported because many hispanics are being counted as white when they commit crimes.

I'd have to go dig them up. I'm suspicious that the only reason anyone cares about this now is because Hispanic crime is on the rise... can't have those white stats going up too high.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 12:21 PM  

the south had jim crow laws for a reason. it's called survival.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:21 PM  

> I addressed the disparity and said we would expect to find it.

An almost 6 to 1 disparity? Those are some expectations.

If you're correct, then poverty should go hand in hand with the murder rate. I grew up in Appalachia. The poverty there is comparable to anything you'll find in the inner city. We had one of the lowest murder rates in the country.

Simply put, you have no idea what you're talking about on this matter.

Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 12:25 PM  

"Africa (and other areas) have been exploited and so have African-Americans, limiting their opportunity to develop resources or create lasting intuitions"

The Irish were brutally exploited for centuries before African-Americans, (they were slaves in the New World before the Africans were, and were treated far worse) yet they had no problem creating lasting institutions. Again and again. The refugees from the 1847 famine were a criminal underclass for about two generations. After that, they turned into the cops and the politicians.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:25 PM  

Porky: Are you jewish?

With a name like "Porky"?

Why doesn't Israel make your list?

It's far from a complete list.

Anonymous A Culturist September 08, 2014 12:25 PM  

I have no issue with anyone because of their paint job or plumbing. I am, however, a culturist. Always have been. Always will be.

The problems lay with the problematic cultures. As soon as people stop beating each other up over who is and is not racist, and instead, start agreeing to shun unacceptable cultures and pointing out that crap, it will begin getting better.

Anonymous Racialist Heretic September 08, 2014 12:26 PM  

"Segregation will never be accepted by the ruling class in modern America."

Right. Which is why the current ruling elite must be replaced, preferably by force and violence. But then, anyone wanting to inflict defeat on one's mortal enemy is not in his "right mind," at least according to this post.

Anonymous Racialist Heretic September 08, 2014 12:27 PM  

"I am, however, a culturist. Always have been. Always will be."

Makes no sense, since culture is a product of race.

Anonymous harry12 September 08, 2014 12:29 PM  

Related, on a number of tangents: Bruce Levenson of the Atlanta Hawks management, is the new Donald Tokowitz (Sterling):

Perhaps a sales tactic?

Anonymous John September 08, 2014 12:29 PM  

"@John:Absent vibrants, there's no reason at all to think putrifying from within would be happening.

Why? Are white westerners immune from sin, corruption, greed, violence, and immorality?"


Definitely not, but when you combine these negative traits with low IQ, low impulse control, and low future time orientation, you get general societal failure that can be overcome absent those additional factors.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:31 PM  

You're arguing both a different symptom and cause that Vox is, Porky. But I'm not surprised that you don't see that.

Oh good. James is going to tell us what Vox thinks is the symptom and the cause. What does Vox think, James? Please be specific.

Anonymous fnn September 08, 2014 12:31 PM  

Are white westerners immune from sin, corruption, greed, violence, and immorality?

It's because of sin, corruption, greed and immorality that so many whites have bought into auto-genocide.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 08, 2014 12:32 PM  

Gives the song Walking in Memphis a whole new meaning!

Also gives a new twist to the song Considering a Move to Memphis (The Colorblind James Experience):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udctidi7GKI

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 12:34 PM  

I'd have to go dig them up. I'm suspicious that the only reason anyone cares about this now is because Hispanic crime is on the rise... can't have those white stats going up too high.

I care about it for at least two reasons: First, under-reporting hispanic crime is deliberately done to assure Americans that importing a massive hispanic population is going to be a net benefit. If hispanic crime and other social dysfunctions were reported, it might jeopardize the elite's plan at replacing the current population.

Second, lumping hispanic crime into the white category does in fact inflate white crime stats which is used by people on your side of the debate to make the case that black crime is not all that bad.

If stats are going to be used, then they should be reliable

Anonymous harry12 September 08, 2014 12:34 PM  

zippo September 08, 2014 12:25 PM

The Irish were brutally exploited... [snip]
The refugees from the 1847 famine were a criminal underclass for about two generations. After that, they turned into the cops and the politicians.


You forgot the sarc tag.

Anonymous Counting Coup September 08, 2014 12:34 PM  

Memphis has a 63.3% vibrant majority and has a black mayor and police chief. Whites are at 29.4% of the population. So anyone not a vibrant is silly or delusional for living there. It is like having a target on your back. Sorry to say but that is how things roll now in the Vibrant Unleashed territories. Time to pack up and move and not become a victim.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:34 PM  

VD and other Ilk

Let's cut through this issue. When it comes up here, there tends to be a focus on general population stats and general violent crime. Instead, what you should be looking for your segregation thesis is inter-racial and intra-racial violence over time.

A study that disproves your solution:
Not only do Black offenders not have a propensity to select White victims for crimes of violence, but if they demonstrate a propensity, it is to select victims within race. That the pattern persists even when local-level segregation is taken into account makes it apparent that factors beyond residential segregation operate to produce predominantly intraracial assault offending.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=243356

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:36 PM  

> What does Vox think, James? Please be specific.

Very well, Porky. In deference to the rules, I'll withdraw the comment. I don't really have enough time to play games with you this morning.

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 12:39 PM  

@NorthernHamlet

Here is George Zimmerman's arrest report. Note that he is classified as W (white). Is this just a one-time occurrence? Or is this done routinely across the USA? If so then it would certainly inflate white crime states and present a distorted picture of crime in the USA.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:41 PM  

I don't really have enough time to play games with you this morning.

Darn, and I was so looking forward to another James Dixon bullshit fest.

Anonymous Borderline Anonymous September 08, 2014 12:41 PM  

Once knew a man whose business took him to Memphis on a regular basis. He had a permit to carry. His primary gun was a 1911 in .45 ACP. His backup was another, identical, 1911 in .45 ACP. His second backup was a Kahr in .45 ACP. He didn't descend to .38 until his third backup.

He didn't exactly clank when he walked, but he did feel confident.

Anonymous YIH September 08, 2014 12:43 PM  

The Atlanta Hawks issue came up in the NFL thread. I saw the story on another news site and this is what caught my eye:
[Donald Sterling] sold the team to Steve Ballmer for $2 billion, significantly more than the $575 million valuation Forbes gave the team in January.
Just a wild guess, because Atlanta isn't LA and has few if any movie stars to buy season tickets the Hawks on the open market would probably be valued at about $500 million (if even that much).
But that chosen is smelling that $2 billion price tag and that big 'ol honker is just twitching with anticipation!
Manufacture controversy to unload a 'white elephant' for four times market value?
I sure would, and I'm just ''cattle''!

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 12:43 PM  

This junk last only as long as we allow it to. If "vibrants" were to learn that an entire store full of customers would bash their brains out using everything at hand, they'd stop doing it pretty quick.

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 12:45 PM  

@NorthernHamlet

These are rape and sexual assault stats for 2005

In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white.

In one out of every three rape or sexual assaults of whites in 2005, the perp was black. That seems like a pretty high figure and points to a deliberate targeting. It doesn't indicate a random pattern at all.

Anonymous p-dawg September 08, 2014 12:45 PM  

@Porky: Those horrible whites - colonizing Africa, forcing its inhabitants to use such things as electricity, irrigation, cars, street lights, airplanes...what jerks. I mean, look how well Rhodesia is doing now that they've gotten rid of the evil white man!

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:48 PM  

> Darn, and I was so looking forward to another James Dixon bullshit fest.

Well, Porky, I guess you'll just have to make do with your own. I expect you have an abundant supply.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:54 PM  

11B,

I'm not as familiar with the Hispanic/White issue as I'd like to be. I am aware it occurs, but I'm suspicious it might only be an issue now for political reasons. I was aware of Zimmerman, however.

I also prefer to stick to homicide stats because I'd guess they are harder to play around with like the other stats.

I also don't really have a side in this.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 12:55 PM  

@p-dawg

You are the perfect image of western hubris. You just can't wait to share your "enlightened genius" with the rest of the world - even if you have to kill them to do it.

@James

Thanks for taking even more time out of your busy morning to not respond to me.

Anonymous Amok Time September 08, 2014 12:55 PM  

"The NBA has made it clear that they're actually the NBBA. All white fans should vote with their wallets accordingly."

That is why as a kid I never cared for professional basketball. Who can have a hero of a 7 foot tall zulu? I could better relate to compact pale hockey stars or skinny baseball players. A friend of mine was so entranced with MIchael Jordan. He loved that guy until one day he heard him in a long interview and watched MJ barely articulate a lucid thought. After that he turned to futbol.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 12:58 PM  

Makes no sense, since culture is a product of race.

Not entirely. Observe the cultural variation in both the united states and Europe.

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 1:00 PM  

Not only do Black offenders not have a propensity to select White victims for crimes of violence, but if they demonstrate a propensity, it is to select victims within race.

First, in an ideal world there should be no murders, rapes or assaults. But we don't live in a perfect world. Given this, and that we live in a multicultural world, then crime, especially violent crime, should be entirely intra-racial so as to not provoke inter-racial hatreds.

In 90 percent of black homicides the perp is black. That is actually good. Ideally if murders are going to happen, then 100 percent of black homicides should be perpetrated by blacks. So as not to inflame tensions, see Trayvon and Ferguson.

However, in only 73 percent of white murders was the perp white. That means almost 1 in 4 murdered whites, is murdered by a non-white. That is a terrible percentage for maintaining peace and harmony in a multicultural society. You cannot have that high of an outgroup killing rate and still maintain healthy relations across group lines.

Compare the reaction of the black community of the endless stream of black-on-black murders in Chicago to the killings of Martin by Zimmerman and the recent killing of the black kid in Ferguson by a white cop. In the former case we hear next to nothing even though about 500 people per year are killed. But in the latter two, we see protests and even riots.

The point is inter-racial crime is a no go in a multicultural society. And blacks commit about 90 percent of all interracial crime. Which means blacks are causing a tremendous stress on the delicate strings that hold our wonderful multicultural society together.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 1:00 PM  

A friend of mine was so entranced with MIchael Jordan. He loved that guy until one day he heard him in a long interview and watched MJ barely articulate a lucid thought.

I'm going to call bullshit on this.

Anonymous AlteredFate September 08, 2014 1:03 PM  

A study that disproves your solution:
Not only do Black offenders not have a propensity to select White victims for crimes of violence, but if they demonstrate a propensity, it is to select victims within race. That the pattern persists even when local-level segregation is taken into account makes it apparent that factors beyond residential segregation operate to produce predominantly intraracial assault offending.


If people of a certain race are inclined to perpetrate violent acts against their own kind more so than other races, then why not also allow them to be brought to justice by only their own kind, in communities filled with only their own kind?There would be no Treyvons or Ferguson-type incidents with all black cops policing all blacks areas. Dosent that make desegregation racist?

And your claim about those stats "disproving Vox's solution," is that possible? I mean, Vox's solution might be sound logically but has never been implemented, to my knowledge, with the goal of reducing cross-racial violence. So how can it be proven wrong without first trying it? I'm no scientist, but it seems you prematurely ejaculated that conclusion. I could be wrong. Vox will know. He is a scientist after all.

Anonymous Racialist Heretic September 08, 2014 1:03 PM  

Josh, stfu, no one likes a pedant.

Anonymous Don September 08, 2014 1:05 PM  

NorthernHamlet - Your squid ink can't hide the fact that blacks commit more crimes, more violent crimes, more crimes of all kinds.

Since Hispanics have about half the crime rates as blacks and they are counted as white for perpetrator but not victim it inflates the white crime rate.

And it does not matter if most of their crime is committed on other blacks. There will be far more whites than blacks targeted for interracial violence. This is at all levels of the criminal justice system. I have worked in the criminal justice system in various capacities for the last three decades. I know who commits crime, why and how and how the behave during the arrest, prosecution/plea, incarceration, and post incarceration. That's why I know what you are saying is not only squid ink but pretty weak ink.

You want to face black crime? Go look in a mirror. When you coddle the black population with lax enforcement, easy consequences, and a pat on the head as we did from the sixties onward you encourage black crime and dysfunction. White liberals did that. Live with it or not but don't peddle your lies here no one believes them.

Anonymous Don September 08, 2014 1:08 PM  

Alteredfate - I know you want to wash your hands of the problem but we can't for two reasons. First, we are an integrated nation that may change someday but until it does you and I are stuck with living with it. Second, black cops have higher rates of violence/shooting than white cops. Worse the black population still blames the 'man' or white society for any cops shooting.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 1:09 PM  

Josh, stfu, no one likes a pedant.

What you mean to say is, "oh crap, I got called out on an obvious falsehood!"

To quote Steve Sailer, HBD Dean:

"Michael Jordan's brain, for instance, enables him to anticipate his opponent's every move while simultaneously demoralizing his foe with nonstop trash-talking. (Try it sometime. It's not easy.)"

Anonymous 11B September 08, 2014 1:13 PM  

@NorthernHamlet

I am no expert, but I have dug around and found some suspicious things. For example, I am from Missouri. Check out the Missouri Sex Offender Registry.

Check out this man. He is listed as 'white'. Do you think he is white? Wouldn't he qualify for diversity set-asides?

What about this man?

I'd like to know if other states and the Feds do this. If so, it has to be driving the white crime rate up which if very misleading to say the least.

Anonymous Orville September 08, 2014 1:16 PM  

Village Idiot of the Northern Hamlet says that poverty is not racial "Being black doesn't cause one to be poor. Lack of opportunity in societal systems does. With the rise of the West, Africa (and other areas) have been exploited and so have African-Americans, limiting their opportunity to develop resources or create lasting intuitions."

I'll cut you some slack and exclude the last 500 years of colonialism in Africa. Where then is the historical evidence that black culture in Africa produced any kind of society that gave opportunities to develop resources or create lasting institutions? And ancient Egypt doesn't count as its origin was more a mixture of semitic and hamitic peoples, and not the popular black delusion that they were no different that the sub-saharan's.

Name one.

Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 1:22 PM  

I actually met Michael Jordan once. He seemed like a reasonably smart guy.

Blogger ray September 08, 2014 1:26 PM  

"I respect your opinions and suspect you are more than half right. But a multi ethnic mix can work - the trick is Jesus truly loved, honoured, preached"


Correct. That is the ONLY way the nations, races, and sexes ever will live together in peace -- under the kingship of Christ. Everything else = chaos, including every scheme and technique of human beings.

But Christians don't want Jeshua's kingdom, anymore than the secularists. Christians (and Hebrews) want to do everything their OWN way. They have their Opinions, you see. They choose their OWN pastors, who regurgitate to them whatever is easy to hear. Certainly not Christ's word.

Christ's Kingdom is of humility and obedience to appointed hierarchichal authority. Not to the Will of the Almighty People. Not to stupid, contrived votes. Not to the pet politics, ideologies, and cults of individuals, including those claiming to follow and serve Christ. Indeed, there are even Christians today who would, for example, equate God's Word and 'Game' as interchangeable and representative of the truth. Everybody wants to do it THEIR own way, and will not suffer to be told otherwise.

We choose his kingdom, or Our Way. This is the age of the self, I Did It My Way, hey everybody lookit ME! These consequences must now play out so that the evidence of this folly can never again be denied.

Cheers.

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2014 1:30 PM  

What on earth makes you think history will somehow miraculously be different this time? What guarantee can you offer the world that despite thousands of years of historical evidence to the contrary, THIS TIME you intend to keep to yourselves and remain segregated?

It's not really thousands. The spread of Western civilization outside of Europe--the nations that you specifically refer to as modern Western civilization, and not what the Romans were doing in north Africa and central Asia--has only been going on for about 500 or so years.

And if you're going to try that, you should probably not ignore the obvious elephant in the room, i.e., the invasion of various parts of Europe for centuries at a time by Moors, Ottomans, Turks and Mongols.

And you should also probably stop conveniently classifying, declassifying and reclassifying Spain and Portugal as white and Western vs. non-white and Hispanic. Pick one interpretation and stick with it.

Anonymous Nemo Maximus September 08, 2014 1:33 PM  

@zippo

"The refugees from the 1847 famine were a criminal underclass for about two generations. After that, they turned into the cops and the politicians."

Ahhh. So they became the criminal upper class then.

Blogger Joshua_D September 08, 2014 1:36 PM  

11B September 08, 2014 1:13 PM
@NorthernHamlet

I am no expert, but I have dug around and found some suspicious things. For example, I am from Missouri. Check out the Missouri Sex Offender Registry.

Check out this man. He is listed as 'white'. Do you think he is white? Wouldn't he qualify for diversity set-asides?

What about this man?


WTF? Yeah. Those fellas aint' white.

Anonymous Carlotta September 08, 2014 1:36 PM  


And before all the white boy liberals are tempted to play the Raciss Card, just remember, kemosabe, the Red Card trumps it. And my tribe knows all about the vital necessity of segregation for survival, or as we call it, the reservation.




Ah. Now we are talking!

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2014 1:44 PM  

Being black doesn't cause one to be poor. Lack of opportunity in societal systems does. With the rise of the West, Africa (and other areas) have been exploited and so have African-Americans, limiting their opportunity to develop resources or create lasting intuitions. Segregation would further this issue by continuing to lock them out of the very system that would allow them to do these things. This is little more than political warfare. The same is true if you segregate the rich from the poor. And then bitch that the poor are stupid and can't develop property in a system that disfavors them.

I can't believe anyone familiar with African Americans still believes this. What conspires to keep them poor is the subculture that is so rampant among those of them that are too short-sighted to see beyond it. The teenaged son of a family friend of mine (who is black) perfectly exemplifies this problem; they pulled him out of school and home-schooled him specifically because the family values that he learned of achievement, ambition and academic excellence made him a target among his racial peers, who viewed him with contempt because those values were "white" values and he wasn't keeping it real. Now, he's a big kid and fairly stubborn, so they didn't mess with him too much, but when he got in trouble for defending himself against an obvious aggressor, the family decided that enough was enough, took him out of school and home-schooled him. Curiously, they live in a town that has an extremely small black community and he went to a college that has hardly any black students at all. We've discussed it a few times, and the father and mother both acknowledge the main problem as inner-city, ghetto black subculture. The crisis of the broken or non-existent black family, the emphasis on aggression, anger and victimization over hard work, honesty and integrity is the cause of black failure in America more than, in my opinion, any other factor.

If there is a genetic component to black failure in America, as Vox postulates, then I suspect that the impact of it would be swamped by cultural problems in black America. There are too many examples of black Americans who eschewed black subculture and went on to succeed, and the trajectory of blacks in America before the Civil Rights movement and the involvement of the incipient SJW crowd is also highly suggestive.

By the way, I really dislike the term Social Justice Warrior. I know it's picked up a fair bit of currency and has become somewhat commonplace, but that's exactly the kind of term that they can simply ignore the sarcastic vein in which it was coined and "re-own" it again. It gives them far too much dignity. I prefer old-fashioned yet more appropriate labels like gossips, liars, meddlers, tyrants, bullies and fascists to describe them. With a liberal qualifier added at the front if it's not apparent from context exactly who you're referring to.

Anonymous VD September 08, 2014 1:45 PM  

Since Hispanics have about half the crime rates as blacks and they are counted as white for perpetrator but not victim it inflates the white crime rate.

I've gone through this in my analysis of the gun crime statistics. White American firearms homicide rates are almost identical to the rates in various European countries. A disproportionate amount of "white" firearms homicide is actually committed by Hispanics.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 1:45 PM  

I'd personally like to know how black-shaming of any attempts by fellow black men to change their life-trajectory by pursuing academics or presenting themselves in a respectable manner is diminishing their returns.

Forget white privilege. These people actually THINK being successful is a "white thing" and dis it and shun any who attempt to be that. They call it white privilege because they have already accepted the assumption that only white people can be successful... and if you are successful, you are a race traitor and an uncle tom.

They really have rejected the notion of "equal opportunity" before they even started.

-CM

Anonymous Carlotta September 08, 2014 1:47 PM  

Simply put, you have no idea what you're talking about on this matter.



THIS.

Anonymous Josh September 08, 2014 1:48 PM  

There are too many examples of black Americans who eschewed black subculture and went on to succeed, and the trajectory of blacks in America before the Civil Rights movement and the involvement of the incipient SJW crowd is also highly suggestive.

As our resident colonel is fond of saying, the great society did in a generation what slavery could not do in three hundred years.

And now we're seeing the same problems in poor white culture.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 1:49 PM  

"Being black doesn't cause one to be poor. Lack of opportunity in societal systems does. "

BS. Limited time preference genes and naked aggression genes cause you to be poor. Fortunately, there are ameliorating epigenetic possibilities. Google up 'prison violence fish oil' and you'll see all the studies that show a drastically lower violence/infraction rate among prisoners who get omega-3 supplementation or omega-3+multivitamins+minerals.

Anonymous VD September 08, 2014 1:51 PM  

If there is a genetic component to black failure in America, as Vox postulates, then I suspect that the impact of it would be swamped by cultural problems in black America. There are too many examples of black Americans who eschewed black subculture and went on to succeed, and the trajectory of blacks in America before the Civil Rights movement and the involvement of the incipient SJW crowd is also highly suggestive.

You're thinking is too binary. The examples are irrelevant. It's all just a probability; even the most genetically-challenged individual can surmount those challenges. The problem that you binary thinkers have is that you think once the battle has been won once, everything is fine. The reality is that it has to be won every single generation. Consider the children and grandchildren of those examples, in other words.

They will show a greater failure rate than the upstanding example's non-black counterparts despite positive upbringings. Which illustrates my point.

Anonymous Carlotta September 08, 2014 1:57 PM  

I also don't really have a side in this.

@Northernhamlet
So you make illogical, uninformed and non-reality based arguments for no good reason?
Noted.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 2:00 PM  

The reality is that it has to be won every single generation. Consider the children and grandchildren of those examples, in other words.

How is this different in any given culture? Isn't the whole millennial gen a good example of parents not considering their children and grandchildren?

It seems success, regardless of demographic, has to be taught to future generations.

While I generally agree with your idea of genetically determined time preferences, It doesn't seem impossible to me for the week genetic trait to be weeded out by successful, (appropriately) vigilant parents who pass on successful habits to their offspring.

-CM

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 2:00 PM  

@Joshua Dyal

So even using the simplest, most general interpretation for "Western Civilization" - are you able to make a case for westerners ever pursuing a widespread isolationist/segregationist policy in the future?

If not, then all this talk of "segregation!, segregation!" is just a bunch of hypocritical bull dung.

Westerners don't appear genetically predisposed to segregation. They instead seem naturally inclined to seek out vibrant cultures and interact with them, conquer them, breed with them, enslave them, kill them, import them, subjugate them.... anything but segregate themselves from them.

But that's just history.

Anonymous Borderline Anonymous September 08, 2014 2:02 PM  

VD
I've gone through this in my analysis of the gun crime statistics. White American firearms homicide rates are almost identical to the rates in various European countries. A disproportionate amount of "white" firearms homicide is actually committed by Hispanics.

The Seattle, Wash. - Vancouver, B.C. study of the 1980's by Kellerman shows this clearly. Subtract out both the Chinese murder rate from Vancouver data and the black murder rate from Seattle, and what remains is the white murder rate - the two cities were virtually identical. Of course, if you leave the Chinese murder rate in, the two cities were still virtually identical.

This study was touted as proof that "gun control" worked in Canada. But what it really proved was the lethality of the black community in Seattle.

And the parallel between white Americans and Europeans in murder rates holds up. Minneapolis - St. Paul's murder rate looked a lot like Stockholm's back in the 1980's, if the African-American murder rate was excluded, for example.

I expect the DOJ to continue to fiddle with crime statistics in an attempt to muddle the facts, for obvious reasons.

Anonymous Feelings, Nothing More Than Feelings September 08, 2014 2:07 PM  

VD
The reality is that it has to be won every single generation. Consider the children and grandchildren of those examples, in other words.


"Rags to riches to rags in three generations" is not just some foolish old saying. It's real, it happens, even if people feel that it shouldn't.

Anonymous clk September 08, 2014 2:19 PM  

VD says " the USA has not yet lost its military dominance but the various cracks in its power are readily visible"

I think I might frame this differently ... from a tactical standpoint the US military is more efficiently deadly than any time in its history. What I think the cracks we see are the limitations of miltitary force to solve some problems.. Bullet against bullet, tank to tank etc ... the US fighting man is unmatched but there are times and places where if you are not willing to kill every man,woman and child there are some enemies you cant defeat .. and the US is simpy not there yet and maybe never will .. the greatest strenght of the West, is our christian values and western philosophy based on those, is also our greatest weakness .. our achilles heel..

I am torn ... do you have to become as evil as the enermy to defeat them .. and if you do, hasnt evil won already ?

Anonymous Sheila September 08, 2014 2:21 PM  

Bearing in mind where the assault (which this thread started off being about) took place, I still believe it is inadvisable for Whites to shop at Krogers if alternatives exist. Beginning about a year ago, the local Krogers (in my North Dallas suburb) all began featuring Obamacare sign-up machines in the area behind the check-out counters, often manned by helpful vibrants. While I no longer see the helpers, the machines are still there.

The weekly fliers began featuring more and more photos of blacks. The specific advertisements and promotions for "healthy" foods featured nothing but blacks. I believe (but am not certain) the chain has "partnered" in some way with Michele Obama's "initiatives" targeting vibrants for more healthful eating.

While none of the local stores have a predominantly White workforce, a few other grocery stores still have >50% White employees. At Krogers, you're lucky if you see 25%.

While I wouldn't say I officially boycott them, all other things being equal, I go elsewhere (and willingly pay a bit more for a more comfortable environment) for my groceries.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 08, 2014 2:31 PM  

"I am torn ... do you have to become as evil as the enermy to defeat them .. and if you do, hasnt evil won already ?"

Do you believe the Allies *military war waging* was inherently less evil than the Axis?

I do not, yet I'm very glad we did it and that we won.

Creation is fallen. There are no lily white, pure victories here.

Anonymous VD September 08, 2014 2:39 PM  

It doesn't seem impossible to me for the week genetic trait to be weeded out by successful, (appropriately) vigilant parents who pass on successful habits to their offspring.

It's not, so long as they neuter their offspring to whom they don't pass them on.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 2:55 PM  

> This study was touted as proof that "gun control" worked in Canada. But what it really proved was the lethality of the black community in Seattle.

Even more so than is obvious. Vancouver is a major transhipment point for Asian drugs via Hong Kong, and the form of gun control that the triads subscribe to is to hit only what they aim at, and only with excellent reason. The last few years there's been the odd attempt by Hispanic gangs to extend their operations up across the border here, having found no particular difficulty settling into Washington state. Those have worked out for them ... poorly. So, it's not that we're lacking a heavily armed criminal class here, it's just that it's a very disciplined and public-order-maintaining heavily armed criminal class. I can live with that.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 3:11 PM  

"I am torn ... do you have to become as evil as the enermy to defeat them

What makes you think you aren't already?

Anonymous clk September 08, 2014 3:15 PM  

"Do you believe the Allies *military war waging* was inherently less evil than the Axis?"

If we are referring to WWII ...in my naivete I see a differenece between the allied and the axis and the reasonsing for the war . one is agressor, the other defender ... but since history is written by the victors I am of course willing to accept that I could be wrong. I would like to think we (the US) are still wearing the white hats ... but if it turns out that we are actually wearing the black hats, black boots and brown shirts I would not be surprised... although I would be saddened...

But in fighting the Germans to a large extent, and the Japanese to a much much much less, there was some basis of common shared values of acceptable warfare .. I dont what to say that war is honorable but we were fighting atleast against an enemy with uniforms, command structures etc...(and I am not sure at all about the Japs .. lets face it, we had to drop two atom bombs on them to get the point across).. with this current enemy ... there is no common shared value ... seems like either you destroy them or they destroy you ...but again not the expert here.

Since that point (post WW2) the wars have felt to be less honorable as to the reasons (and by no way am I saying the solders are less honorable .. solders follow orders and fight whom they are ordered to - standing there holding a gun facing the enemy is an honorable thing .. even if the political reasons behind it are not).

I dont believe creation has fallen yet.. but it is tettering precariously on the edge ... I have little faith left in man but I dont beleive that God has abandoned us yet.. nor does he create for no reason... I dont see a way forward but I am sure there is one and the opprotunity will be given for men of free will and conscience to find that way and follow it out... IMHO

Anonymous DKViking September 08, 2014 3:16 PM  

Seriously, a revolver does not have enough rounds for that situation. A Glock 26 + a 33 round stick as backup, just to go shopping or work there. Its insane.

Anonymous Cormac McRoadie September 08, 2014 3:34 PM  

Diamond's book was motivated by the anti-scientific impulse. He wrote it because he hated "The Bell Curve" — it offended him that empirical evidence indicated that the Pacific Islanders among whom he lived were, on the average as a group, less intelligent than whites and East Asians.

Being offended, as a good little Leftist, he set out to "disprove" hereditary IQ by ascribing civilizational success to anything but qualities inherent in human beings. Of course, since actual evidence contradicting "The Bell Curve" is scant on the ground, he had to focus on irrelevant distractions, like guns, germs, and steel. His book is supposed to disprove "The Bell Curve" but addresses not a single bit of evidence, statistical analysis, or conclusions in "The Bell Curve".

In my opinion, the notion that geography perfectly predicts civilizational dominance is utterly idiotic. North / Western Europe was not dominant before 1500 AD, and only became dominant when it moved beyond tribalism into the Nation-State. (A super-tribe, married with an effective government. Societies function better when the State, and only the State, can make war, for example.)

If N-W Europe were blessed with inherently better stuff, like animals, crops, and more, why was it an irrelevant backwater from the earliest written histories until 1500 AD? The first city-states in the Levant (3500 BC), Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, India, Greece, Persia, Alexander, Rome, the Huns, Byzantium, the Mongols, and on and on and on. All came, dominated, and went.

Are we to believe that germs, good crops or pliable herd animals, and geography itself moved around, now in the Fertile Crescent, now in southern Italy, now right under Nelson's Column, now located in a grim little swamp just north of Virginia? It's idiotic.

Real science addresses real arguments made by real people. It doesn't try to backdoor arguments in a sloppily-reasoned piece of sleazy pop-science, meant to be sold on airport bookshelves.

Hernstein and Murray were Copernicus and Galileo. Jared Diamond is, at best, Doctor Phil.

How's that working out for you?

Blogger Desdichado September 08, 2014 3:39 PM  

You're thinking is too binary. The examples are irrelevant. It's all just a probability; even the most genetically-challenged individual can surmount those challenges. The problem that you binary thinkers have is that you think once the battle has been won once, everything is fine. The reality is that it has to be won every single generation. Consider the children and grandchildren of those examples, in other words.

My thinking isn't binary at all. I don't discount the possibility of genetics playing a role. I'm looking for the equivalent of some good multiple regression model to explain which variables account for how much of the outcome. My bet, without data granted, is that culture is the most significant variable by far.

I do agree that my examples are not statistically significant. But I did caveat up front that it was merely an illustrative example, not evidence.

Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 3:51 PM  

"with this current enemy ... there is no common shared value ... seems like either you destroy them or they destroy you"

We don't have to destroy the Muslims. We don't even have to fight them. All we need to do is stop letting them come to live in our countries, and stop going over to their countries and blowing them up. If they didn't live in the West, there's not much they could do to us. Most of their countries are backwards shit-holes incapable of force projection, and it doesn't look to be changing soon. Only Turkey has a truly bad-ass military, but no real reason to use it against us. Let's just leave them along, quit bothering them, and stop letting them live among us, and the whole issue resolves on its own.

Anonymous Cormac McRoadie September 08, 2014 3:56 PM  

"Let's just leave them along, quit bothering them, and stop letting them live among us, and the whole issue resolves on its own."

That's some epic-level wishful thinking right there.

Anonymous Dumb founded September 08, 2014 4:00 PM  

I sure hope that Krogers is enjoying the optics.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 08, 2014 4:00 PM  

"I don't believe creation has fallen yet.."

Our basic understanding of Christianity is different then.

I was not addressing the reasons for military action in WWII, only the means used. I don't see it as significantly different than what is desired to achieve victory over any current enemy.

Your view of history and warfare sounds idealistically biased and optimistic to me. Not necessarily bad on a local, personal level, but deadly to those actually waging war.


Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 4:20 PM  

"That's some epic-level wishful thinking right there."

Why? If we didn't let them immigrate, they wouldn't be harming our societies. If we didn't let them come here, the terror threat drops to very little. They're not capable of marching against us. That leaves the nuke threat, but we've had much experience in how to deal with that in the past. I don't see how that's wishful thinking. Lawrence Auster was right. We can't destroy them and we can't meaningfully control them, and anyway we shouldn't do either in the first place. We need to quarantine them in their world, let them live their existence and make sure they let us live our own.

Anonymous DKViking September 08, 2014 4:23 PM  

Remember racism is prejudice + power. The red man has no power, so he cannot be racist. Racism is white and white only. Its a privilege thing.

Blogger CM September 08, 2014 4:23 PM  

It's not, so long as they neuter their offspring to whom they don't pass them on.

You and commenters on this blog make it very clear that culture/society/social engineers (via Public Education and Entertainment) are making efforts to undermine the influence parents have on their offspring. Especially in the case of "socializing" children in the Public School system, blacks have perhaps dis-proportionately been affected by this.

So why would you argue that it plays an insignificant role in the face of genetics?

It would seem that a culture can, in fact, be a huge obstacle for weeding out weak genetic markers due to the sheer magnitude of it as a whole. And blacks have a much stronger anti-intelligence culture than Caucasians do.

Of course, I realize that culture also has genetic influences, but it seems to me white liberals have played a heavy role in mitigating hard-working blacks' influences on their off spring.

- CM

Anonymous Sarcophilus September 08, 2014 4:26 PM  

The solution is simpler. Today the CEO of Panera said "leave your guns at home" (he didn't specify if he includes cops - he should; as should starbucks who does coffee but not donuts). Kroger can simply do the reverse. Give a discount if you put the kroger-loyalty-barcode on your gun.

Guns seem to dampen vibrancy.

Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 4:36 PM  

"racism is prejudice + power. The red man has no power, so he cannot be racist. Racism is white and white only"

Please tell me you're playing a joke by parroting this moronic gibberish.

Blogger Unknown September 08, 2014 4:38 PM  

The idea that the Caliphates will leave us alone if we expel them and close the gates, ignores the History of Rapacious Raids on Europa by roving gangs of Muslim Slavers for Centuries. All non-white groups outside of a small manageable group of Far Eastern Worthies should immediately be expelled using lethal and genocidal force without any apologies. Whites owe these savages NOTHING. They have turned their ignorant low-brows away from Western Civilization one too many times for me!
All blacks should be ruthlessly expunged from White societies and expelled fro the entire American Continent including the West Indies and Caribbean. Too much arable land is wasted on these lazy throwbacks to The Stone Age. They are living fossils that should be buried under a million tons of shale for future archaeologists to study their remains. They have NO PLACE in the Space Age of Robotic Workers and High Technology.

Anonymous DKViking September 08, 2014 4:41 PM  

SJW run Reddit. Surprise :D They run all social sites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOTZ4tpKr8Y

Anonymous zippo September 08, 2014 4:59 PM  

"ignores the History of Rapacious Raids on Europa"

That was then, this is now. I'm not saying Muslims would have any desire to have peace with us, I'm saying that without them in our midst, they wouldn't have a choice. They are too technologically behind us, and too militarily inferior to us, to do anything besides lob a nuke at us, which of course would be the final disaster for them. Many of these countries can barely feed themselves, they certainly can't field an aggressive army against us. They're waging a cowardly genocidal demographic war against us, where they target our... schoolgirls. If they didn't live among us, they wouldn't even have that tactic. We'd barely have to think about them, except when telling them what the price of oil is going to be.

I have a sort of entente with killer whales that keeps them from eating me. I don't go swimming in their hunting territory, and in turn they don't walk over to my house and try to eat me. It works out great for both of us.

Anonymous takin' a look September 08, 2014 5:12 PM  

-thetroll

I lol'd

Anonymous paradox September 08, 2014 5:38 PM  

Tom

I remember reading somewhere that the key number for muslims was 2% of the population. Once they reach that number they begin trying to impose their will on the mainstream population.


The key number is even less for gays.

Anonymous p-dawg September 08, 2014 6:15 PM  

@Porky: Excuse me - I didn't colonize anyone. I wouldn't choose to share the benefits of modern life with any indigenous cultures of any color - they can figure it out for themselves. Also, if the trappings of modern civilization are so awful, why are you using a computer? Shouldn't you be out hunting your dinner?

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2014 6:20 PM  

I'm not saying Muslims would have any desire to have peace with us, I'm saying that without them in our midst, they wouldn't have a choice. They are too technologically behind us, and too militarily inferior to us

Exactly. Sure, they'd still try to conquer the world. Muslims gonna Muslim. But if we weren't over there supplying them with modern weapons and infrastructure and bringing their sons here to educate and train them, they'd be showing up at our borders with the same quality of ships they had at Lepanto. I think we could still take 'em.

Anonymous Corvinus September 08, 2014 6:56 PM  

It would seem that a culture can, in fact, be a huge obstacle for weeding out weak genetic markers due to the sheer magnitude of it as a whole. And blacks have a much stronger anti-intelligence culture than Caucasians do.

On top of that, it would appear that Idiocracy-style intelligence-related dysgenics is occurring far more quickly in blacks than in whites, where it may not even be happening at all. Poor whites don't seem to reproduce any more than wealthier ones. By contrast, married black women have fewer children than married white women, but the unmarried welfare mammies continue to crank out babies by different fathers, even if it's not as quickly as it was a decade ago. And if we consider married black women as a proxy for their more intelligent IQ tail, it's probable that the white/black performance gap won't be narrowing at all any time soon, to say the least. If anything, it will get much, much worse.

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 7:03 PM  

Westerners don't appear genetically predisposed to segregation. They instead seem naturally inclined to seek out vibrant cultures and interact with them, conquer them, breed with them, enslave them, kill them, import them, subjugate them.... anything but segregate themselves from them.

Oink

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 7:06 PM  

> Thanks for taking even more time out of your busy morning to not respond to me.

I didn't say I didn't have time to respond to you Porky. I said I didn't have time to play games with you. But the difference between a flippant comeback and a reasoned discourse does sometimes seem to be beyond you.

Trying to put into words what should be an obvious concept to anyone who bothers thinking about it isn't a 30 second job, which was about the time I had to spare for it this morning. That said, I'm home now and not being interrupted by work issues, so...

Quite simply, if you can't seem the difference between the relationships amongst different ethnicities/cultures in a given nation/state and conflicts over resources between differing nation/states, I'm afraid I can't help you.

Blogger James Dixon September 08, 2014 7:07 PM  

Seen --> see. Sigh.

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 7:11 PM  

Northern Hamlet: we've all seen those stats re: black on black violence cited here many times. Indeed, it is just another reason to self-segregate. How does your study account for the fact that most black crime occurs where they live, i.e. in black neighborhoods where the overwhelming majority of potential victims are also black? Does your study posit that blacks would commit less crime if they lived in white neighborhoods? If so, on what basis? Magical geography? Ley lines? Where did most of the black on white crime occur?

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 7:17 PM  

If we're playing the anecdote game: today we have a notorious example of a black multi-millionaire losing a multi-million dollar per year job due to his inability to refrain from playing knock-a-bitch-out in front of cameras. In a white neighborhood, no less.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic September 08, 2014 7:34 PM  

Whites find blacks alarming and dangerous. Blacks find whites uptight and bigoted. They have vastly different IQ-means, phenotypes, time and organizational preference. What is the case for integration? You may as well try to integrate Gaza and Israel.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 08, 2014 7:48 PM  

today we have a notorious example of a black multi-millionaire losing a multi-million dollar per year job due to his inability to refrain from playing knock-a-bitch-out in front of cameras.

Where?

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 8:31 PM  

Stilicho,

How does your study account for the fact that most black crime occurs where they live, i.e. in black neighborhoods where the overwhelming majority of potential victims are also black?Does your study posit that blacks would commit less crime if they lived in white neighborhoods? If so, on what basis? Magical geography? Ley lines? Where did most of the black on white crime occur?

From the abstract:
That the pattern persists even when local-level segregation is taken into account makes it apparent that factors beyond residential segregation operate to produce predominantly intraracial assault offending.

All else aside, racism is likely an intuitive categorization based on folk-taxonomies for animals and plants. Scott Atran hits on this. People likely prefer to commit violent crimes against their own race when they do commit them.

At the end of the day, I have no issues with self-segregation. People should have the right to do so if they desire. But I have theoretic issues with the subject at hand.

Blogger Gospace September 08, 2014 8:59 PM  

The RemnantSeptember said at 08, 2014 11:00 AM
"Whites do not typically think of ourselves as white; I know I don't. The problem is that every other demographic DOES think of us as white and DOES think of itself in racial terms"

Agree 100% with that. Studies have even shown it. Ask people to identify themselves with ten items. White males for the most part go husband, father, (or vice versa), profession, Religion, American, son, brother etc. Maybe ethnic background. Rarely is white in those ten. And never in the top 3. Blacks, male and female alike, #1 is overwhelmingly Black. If not #1, it's #2. The last I read <1% 3 or below.

That's because American whites are the function of a melting pot. Scots are currently voting (again) for independence, and might win. In Great Britain, intermarriage between Scots and English and Welsh and Irish are relatively rare. My background is all 4, and possibly other that I haven't traced back yet. In all of Europe, marriage between Catholics and Protestant is still uncommon. I'm Protestant, my wife Catholic with a Bohemian heritage. (My GF/GM the same for religion, but Scot/Irish) Her grandparents insisted- Bohemia, not Germany. And her family rings true the old saying. First generation speaks the language, 2nd understands it, 3rd knows the swear words.

Spain opposes Scottish independence bacause it would lend credence to the Catalan secession movement. Unless there's someone from Spain reading this blog, no one reading can tell the difference between a Catalonian, a Castilian, Andalusian, or Aragonian. But most of the people in Spain probably can. Hell, you drop any one of them in a crowd of Americans, and as long as they were wearing jeans and a T-shirt, you wouldn't know they weren't American. Because American is not a race or ethnicity, it's an idea. And it's been a pretty successful one. As far as the rest of Europe goes, Belgium doesn't currently have a functional central government and hasn't for a while; the Flemish and the Walloons don't get along. Can anyone here tell the difference between the two? Wikipedia is not the be-all-end-all repository of knowledge, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe is interesting to look at. Ethnicity is alive and well in sophisticated Europe.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 9:24 PM  

@p-dawg: "Excuse me - I didn't colonize anyone."

Solipsism duly noted. Doesn't change the history of Western civilization one iota though.

James: Quite simply, if you can't seem the difference between the relationships amongst different ethnicities/cultures in a given nation/state and conflicts over resources between differing nation/states, I'm afraid I can't help you.

A distinction without a difference.

Western Civilzation observably has no more self control than a gang of black thugs in a Kroger supermarket.

History. Learn it, whitey.

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic September 08, 2014 9:53 PM  

Western Civilzation observably has no more self control than a gang of black thugs in a Kroger supermarket.

Apples and oranges. A fire team mowing down exotic Others in Afghanistan is quite different--not, admittedly, entirely different--from black thugs oop-ing and skree-ing in a Kroger back home. You should actually be grateful the political elites have whites distracted with overseas conflicts, because otherwise they'd be protecting their tribe here.

People vote with their feet for white neighbors all over the world, despite whites' penchant for organized violence. This is what tells you the two situations are different. You are just a thoughtless, gibbering monkey.

Anonymous bob k. mando September 08, 2014 9:59 PM  

NorthernHamlet September 08, 2014 12:34 PM
Instead, what you should be looking for your segregation thesis is inter-racial and intra-racial violence over time.



okay, fuck you:
https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/ferguson-and-real-race-war



James Dixon September 08, 2014 12:48 PM
Well, Porky, I guess you'll just have to make do with your own. I expect you have an abundant supply.



nah, he's got pigshit, not bullshit.

Blogger Darayvus September 08, 2014 10:04 PM  

homogenuity > homogeneity.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 08, 2014 10:06 PM  

Knock out a bitch:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/baltimore-ravens-fire-ray-rice-despite-wife-janay-palmer-not-having-issue-with-knock-out-punch/

Anonymous Clayton Bigsby September 08, 2014 10:07 PM  

“Translation: the employee was trying to do his job and the vibrant youth violently objected. In a free society, Kroger would simply announce that it will no longer permit any vibrants under the age of forty to enter its premises for insurance reasons. But we do not live in a free society, which is why the American people are eventually going to find themselves in a race war of epic proportions that will last until the historical state of ethnic homogenuity prevails.

We have already born witness to the type of segregation in the U.S. and its observable devastating consequences to white and black. Moreover, out of the hundreds of thousands of daily interactions between white people and niggers and spics and chinks, these events are the exception rather than the rule. Chances are that a white person is going to be robbed, raped, or murdered by another white person, and chances are that a black person is going to be robbed, raped, or murdered by another black person. Ethnic homogeneity has not been and will never be part of the American fabric, as this quad-racial man attests. Note that the English and the French who settled in the United States were historic rivals and swore to never intermingle with one another…now they marry and produce offspring. The same can be said about the Irish and the Italians, who were considered by nativists to be NON-WHITE. 



"A five percent minority population appears to be the maximum limit of mutually beneficial inter-ethnic relations; it can be less, of course, depending upon the behavior of the minority.”

According to who? What evidence suggests it is this magical number?


“But no one who is cognizant of history will deny that partition wars are how multiethnic empires usually come to an end.”

Usually, being the operative word. Given the fact that these same arguments have been made by nativists since our nation’s inception, and America remains more vibrant than ever (proper context), it is observably true that the conditions for a race war of epic proportions is nothing more than a pipe dream.

The conditions for this American race war that some people are frothing at the mouth for are currently non-existent, simply because we are even more connected before with technology and information and live generally well compared to and separated from those "niggers and spics and chinks and white trash". Most assuredly, there will be flare ups, but there will have to be a series of incidents of epic proportions to motivate the white/black middle and upper classes to taking up arms and carving out their own territory via murder and mayhem.


“Everybody wants segregation.”



Watch a McDonald’s commercial, and you will discover that your statement is undeniably false.


“But the solution isn't segregation. It's addressing those specific problems. Segregation is merely creating a system that reduces free association generally for the trade off of being able to say it exists individually... for those who are white, not poor, and free of authority harassment. You might have your heritage to fall back on, but I have the anecdote of growing up poor. Crime and violence in those communities was equally likely to be caused by or happen to a hispanic, black, or a white.”

Thread winner, hands down.

Anonymous Corvinus September 08, 2014 10:14 PM  

Westerners don't appear genetically predisposed to segregation. They instead seem naturally inclined to seek out vibrant cultures and interact with them, conquer them, breed with them, enslave them, kill them, import them, subjugate them.... anything but segregate themselves from them.

But that's just history.


Hey porky, I'd suggest you take your white guilt shtick and stick it where the sun don't shine.

There's a difference between conquest by one group over another. What you SJW tards are trying to do, by contrast, is force the rest of us to lie down and take it when the dark hordes try to take us over.

Sorry, bub, but it just doesn't work that way. If you're in fact of European descent, you are what's commonly known as a "traitor". You're also what's commonly known as "mentally ill". Specifically, "pathologically altruistic".

Anonymous Corvinus September 08, 2014 10:15 PM  

There's a difference between conquest by one group over another.

More correctly, conquest by one group over another is a phenomenon that has happened all throughout history, and quite frankly, will until the species ends.

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 10:21 PM  

We have already born witness to the type of segregation in the U.S. and its observable devastating consequences to white and black.

What consequences? How were they "devastating"?

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 10:22 PM  

A fire team mowing down exotic Others in Afghanistan is quite different--not, admittedly, entirely different--from black thugs oop-ing and skree-ing in a Kroger back home.

Yes, the Kroger beating was apparently for sport while the war in afghanistan killed alot more people and cost nearly half a trillion dollars just to secure oil trade.

It could be convincingly argued that the Kroger gang showed considerably more self-restraint than the supposedly "civilized" west.


People vote with their feet for white neighbors all over the world, despite whites' penchant for organized violence. This is what tells you the two situations are different.

People looking for free stuff go the the west, and the west goes looking for cheap stuff abroad. The difference is iin the scale of the greed only. The thing is, the west facilitates both of these conflict causing scenarios. This shows an even more remarkable lack of self restraint on the part of the so called "civilized" peoples of the west because they should know better.

You are just a thoughtless, gibbering monkey.

Doubtful, since history is obviously on my side.

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 10:28 PM  

Western Civilzation observably has no more self control than a gang of black thugs in a Kroger supermarket.

oink

For the Ilk: This statement is observably false on its face. Were western civilization truly that lacking in self-control, gangs of black savages would not exist in Kroger parking lots. This type of attempt at reasoning is what can happen when a quasi-savage is told all his life that he is special and that his savage ancestors were better than their conquerors. Because white privilege.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 10:49 PM  

There's a difference between conquest by one group over another.

Hehe. You don't think the 40 million latinos in the US dream of reconquista? You don't think the muslims in southern Europe dream of re-re-conquista?

This is how it happens, dude.

What you SJW tards are trying to do, by contrast, is force the rest of us to lie down and take it when the dark hordes try to take us over.

No. I actually don't have a problem with segregation. But I harbor no illusion that this represents the cure for what ails the west.

You're also what's commonly known as "mentally ill". Specifically, "pathologically altruistic".

No. I just know what is in the heart of man.

Anonymous clk September 08, 2014 11:02 PM  

"Your view of history and warfare sounds idealistically biased and optimistic to me. Not necessarily bad on a local, personal level, but deadly to those actually waging war."

I can accept that because i am not fighting a war, i am only trying to keep my faith and hope for best :)

Anonymous Digby Rigby September 08, 2014 11:04 PM  

Another great moment in pussy white people. And this happened in the South? I thought the people down there were tough and armed. Granted there are exceptions but this is just getting pathetic. Video after video like this and virtually ZERO of these whites fight back! I know they are outnumbered in situations like this but why isn't someone, anyone whipping out a peacemaker to deal with these lunatics when this happens? Why isn't the management of these stores firing off some warning rifle shots? That would make these cowards scatter. It's not like they don't have guns galore down South. Just sick, sad and pathetic.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 11:14 PM  

Were western civilization truly that lacking in self-control, gangs of black savages would not exist in Kroger parking lots.

Protecting and coddling a reliable voting bloc is not self-control, it's self-interest. This is actually a hallmark of western civilization - turning a blind eye to immorality for the sake of power and riches.

When the west finally takes action, the motivation will be financial, not because their "self-control" has worn thin.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 08, 2014 11:15 PM  

This is actually a hallmark of western civilization - turning a blind eye to immorality for the sake of power and riches.

Only a syphilitic fudge packer could say something like that.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 11:20 PM  

@Corvinus: "More correctly, conquest by one group over another is a phenomenon that has happened all throughout history, and quite frankly, will until the species ends."
Can't say I agree with this. Revelation speaks of a 1000 year peaceful reign of Christ on the earth.

Anonymous Stilicho September 08, 2014 11:23 PM  

Protecting and coddling a reliable voting bloc is not self-control, it's self-interest. This is actually a hallmark of western civilization - turning a blind eye to immorality for the sake of power and riches.

OINK!

See, squealing louder didn't make you appear any smarter or appear to understand the point. Pro tip: find a spider willing to be your PR agent.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 11:26 PM  

Only a syphilitic fudge packer could say something like that.

And only a deluded oaf would deny thousands of years of history.

Anonymous Porky September 08, 2014 11:37 PM  

See, squealing louder didn't make you appear any smarter or appear to understand the point.

Maybe you're right. Maybe the liberal majority doesn't really want to remain in power, and maybe they don't want to maintain a permanent underclass of reliable voters. Maybe they really want to expel all non-whites, but are just exercising remarkable "restraint".

But then again, maybe you're just dismally stupid.

Anonymous zippo September 09, 2014 12:02 AM  

This is stupid and just plain wrong. The white West didn't seriously interfere with non-whites until the Age of Discovery, only 500 years ago. The Greeks and Romans fought other whites, the Germans fought the Celts. For a thousand years after the fall of Rome, whites were massively invaded and oppressed (and yes, enslaved) by non-whites: Arabs, Berbers, Turks, Mongols, Central Asians. The Black Death, a gift from Asia, killed off a third of Europe. The Arab slave trade in Africa lasted more than twice as long as New World slavery, and the Muslims did nothing on their own to halt it. Turks kidnapped white children and brainwashed them. As for New World genocide, well, today there are a gazillion more native Americans than there were when Columbus landed. Some genocide. Whites engaged in the same aggressions as all the other advanced peoples, and were often on the receiving end.

Thousands of years, my ass. Leftard revisionism.

Anonymous The other skeptic September 09, 2014 12:03 AM  

It seems that fhritp.com makes more sense than Porky. Oink.

Anonymous Porky September 09, 2014 1:02 AM  

@zippo

Rome was conquering vibrant semites and berbers more than 2000 years ago.

Pointing out that others have also done the same does not change this. In fact, it kind of reinforces my point.



Anonymous zippo September 09, 2014 1:08 AM  

The Phoenician Semites and their Berber and Numidian allies were invading Spain, France and Italy in the days of the Republic, well before the Empire. And the Levant was a lot less vibrant in those days. I seem to recall Assyrian and other semitic empires running amok more than a thousand years before Rome.

And I'm not at all clear on what your point is, other than Piss on you, cracker.

Your grasp of history fails to impress. Bored now.

Anonymous 11B September 09, 2014 1:40 AM  

The same can be said about the Irish and the Italians, who were considered by nativists to be NON-WHITE. 


The First Naturalization Act of 1790, signed into law by our Founder George Washington, limited naturalization to free white people of good character. And yet those so-called nonwhite Irish and Italians were allowed to be naturalized as citizens by the auspices of this act.

The reason Irish and Italians, Greeks and others were not fully embraced upon arrival had more to do with the culture shock they engendered due to their language, dress and other customs which would have been alien to the established Americans. Once these Euros integrated by adopting the culture, language and customs of the hosts, it didn't take long for them to become accepted because of the relative closeness of European peoples.

This sort of integration was more difficult for many non-Europeans, for even if they do adopted the language and customs, they were still visually different and distinct from the white population, especially blacks.

To compound this even more, the immigrants of today, most of whom would not even have been allowed under the 1790 act, are not encouraged to assimilate. Rather via the multicultural implementation of immigration policy, they are encouraged to retain their cultural markers. This coupled with the differences in their physical appearance with Europeans will make assimilation much more difficult, if not impossible.

Anonymous bob k. mando September 09, 2014 1:46 AM  

Porky September 08, 2014 11:53 AM
The history of western civilization is not one of segregation. It is one of white westerners mucking about with vibrant cultures in far off lands

Porky September 09, 2014 1:02 AM
Pointing out that others have also done the same does not change this. In fact, it kind of reinforces my point.



soooooo ...

every other civilization acting the same as 'White Western' civilization ... makes your point?

rather than making Vox's point that the ethnic vibrancy of white incursions didn't work out any better for the native populations than vice versa?

hotay.



Porky September 08, 2014 10:22 PM
...while the war in afghanistan killed alot more people and cost nearly half a trillion dollars just to secure oil trade.



to 'secure the oil trade'? you fucking tard, Afghanistan has smaller reserves than the 'oil powers' of France, Austria and Poland.

you could make a case to 'secure the heroin trade'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

Blogger Bosefus September 09, 2014 2:20 AM  

I haven't read this long list of hate mail but the obvious is obvious. Don't live near or work near VIBRANTS. Move your dumb ass and carry a knife if VIBRANTS become active in your area of operation or just always have a slim in your pocket for daily needs... so a knife is now uniform of the day... carry on.

What has become of America???? Kill or be killed...

On the other hand... Like Vox says...I was born for this day! Ahhhh ROOO!@!! Bring em on! I hate ugly people instinctively! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ

Anonymous ericcs September 09, 2014 2:31 AM  

re 'Porky' comments (BTW, can't he get a better name for commenting here? I'm almost embarrassed to be referring to someone with a name that sounds so juvenile.)

He conflates two different concepts in at least two different instances, to whit: the issue is not segregation, but instead the right of free association. Results of the latter would not be 100% segregation. He can try to backpedal all he wants, but such a distinction immediately negates his unsupported assertions about some nonsensical lack of segregation in the past.

Likewise, he confuses the current masters of the West (the Cathedral or whatever) with the white individuals who are the true legatees of their great forebears. The overwhelming majority of such whites do indeed act with great forbearance about the savages among them, but certainly have little or no economic self-interest in maintaining such chaos.

So is 'Porky' yet another dimwit leftist? a contrarian? a white? non-white? It would be instructive if he declared himself, since his so-called viewpoints appear to be based on little else but assertions, semantic games, and revisionist history.

Anonymous Noah B. September 09, 2014 3:11 AM  

"So is 'Porky' yet another dimwit leftist? a contrarian? a white? non-white?"

He's an anarchist who thinks everyone who isn't an anarchist is just a wannabe tyrant. I think that pretty much explains everything.

Anonymous Discard September 09, 2014 4:46 AM  

Clayton Bigsby: I claim that everyone wants segregation, and you point to a McDonald's commercial as disproof? Further comment is superfluous.

Anonymous Discard September 09, 2014 4:57 AM  

11B: The Texas Ten Most Wanted list currently has nine Whites on it, every one of which has a Spanish name. Two are members of the Mexican Mafia and two more are members of Barrio Azteca. Yes, they deliberately count Hispanic criminals as White. Pretty much all mainstream social statistics regarding Hispanics are lies.

Anonymous Clayton Bigsby September 09, 2014 7:02 AM  

"Clayton Bigsby: I claim that everyone wants segregation, and you point to a McDonald's commercial as disproof?"

All that was required to obliterate your comment was demonstrating that a major company incorporates niggers, spics, chinks, and half-breeds in their commercials.


"He conflates two different concepts in at least two different instances, to whit: the issue is not segregation, but instead the right of free association."

The right of free association for the darkies had been subverted by Jim Crow, with conservative southrons taking the lead to jackboot anyone, including whites, who dared to challenge the status quo.


"Rather via the multicultural implementation of immigration policy, they are encouraged to retain their cultural markers."

Just like the Europeans before them.

"This coupled with the differences in their physical appearance with Europeans will make assimilation much more difficult, if not impossible."

One's physical appearance has little to do with one's mental capacity and behavioral acumen to immerse themselves into a dominant culture.


"The white West didn't seriously interfere with non-whites until the Age of Discovery, only 500 years ago."

Interfere? Try pillage, plunder, rape, and murder. And they were the so-called "superior, civilized" peoples!

Anonymous Stilicho September 09, 2014 7:37 AM  

Oink all you want pig, but it will not change your ham handed attempt to change the subject when caught making an obviously false statement about western civilization. You are too short for this ride and you know it, but your desire to denigrate whites overwhelms your desire to maintain the illusion of intelligence. Much like your desire to be a despair troll leads you to make ridiculous statements about Obama's secret master plans vis a vis obamacare, etc. Fact is, you're always looking for an excuse for your victimhood, but you are a victim because you choose to be. The despair trolling is just an attempt to get other people to join you on the victim reservation with a pity blanket and a bottle of firewater.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 09, 2014 7:56 AM  

Bob K Mando,

okay, fuck you:
https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/ferguson-and-real-race-war


Are there any statistics in that article?


Discard and 11B,

I'll try to take a look at the Hispanic issue over the next month. If I forget that I said that next time this comes up, feel free to remind me.

Anonymous Stilicho September 09, 2014 8:11 AM  

NH, thanks for your answer to my first question above. Second question: if that study is correct re: blacks purposefully targeting other blacks, why on earth would whites want them targeting each other in white neighborhoods?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic September 09, 2014 8:43 AM  

One's physical appearance has little to do with one's mental capacity and behavioral acumen to immerse themselves into a dominant culture.

High-g people get along with other high-g people, but assimilation on the scale you are talking about requires routine out-marriage between the groups. Most white men would be single before they'd marry as far down as Jeb Bush or Warren Wilhelm.

Blogger James Dixon September 09, 2014 9:14 AM  

> A distinction without a difference.

Like I said, Porky, if you can't see the difference, I can't help you.

> History. Learn it, whitey.

While it's difficult to do so on your own (our educational system hasn't actually tried to each history in over 50 years now), I've done my best over the years.
Regardless, the fact is that my conclusions don't match yours.

> Chances are that a white person is going to be robbed, raped, or murdered by another white person,

The math says by about 3 to 1, yes.

> Watch a McDonald’s commercial, and you will discover that your statement is undeniably false.

Do you really think advertising bears any significant relationship to reality?

> ...while the war in afghanistan killed alot more people and cost nearly half a trillion dollars just to secure oil trade.

If true, it was a spectacular failure. Fortunately, oil had little to do with Afghanistan. Now, wrt Iraq, you might have a valid point.

> Doubtful, since history is obviously on my side.

Not so obviously.

> I thought the people down there were tough and armed.

He's at work. Kroger probably has a no guns on the premises policy. It would be nice if this would make them rethink that policy, but that's unlikely.

> Pointing out that others have also done the same does not change this. In fact, it kind of reinforces my point.

To the extent your point is that we'll all fallen and incapable of changing on our own, yes. That doesn't change the fact that some civilizations have done a better job of providing prosperity and relative peace than others. Why you keep throwing the baby out with the bath water is beyond me, but you do seem to make a practice of it.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 09, 2014 9:19 AM  

Stilicho,

if that study is correct re: blacks purposefully targeting other blacks, why on earth would whites want them targeting each other in white neighborhoods?

They wouldn't. But that's not the point. The things we want aren't the solution, and neither is segregation. Now, does this problem even have a solution, immediate or otherwise? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not suggesting forced integration anymore than I'm suggesting segregation.



Blogger The Anti-Gnostic September 09, 2014 10:19 AM  

The things we want aren't the solution, and neither is segregation. Now, does this problem even have a solution, immediate or otherwise? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not suggesting forced integration anymore than I'm suggesting segregation.

You better come up with something, because this hill is exceeding the angle of repose.

Blacks had lower markers for social pathology in the bad old days before 1965 than they do now. I recommend repealing all Title VII and related laws, so people can interact and not interact as they choose, and have their ethnic safe harbors.

Anonymous Porky September 09, 2014 10:20 AM  

@zippo

That's a neat trick wherein you make a factual blunder and then blame it on my knowledge of history. Brilliant.

If after all I've said your takeaway is "Porky thinks white people are the only aggressive people in history", well....you should probably just stay on the short bus.

@Noah B.

"He's an anarchist who thinks everyone who isn't an anarchist is just a wannabe tyrant."

No, I'm just open minded about the wickedness that lies in the hearts of men. I don't think everyone is a wannabe tyrant. I do think that most people desire to submit to authority.

@Stilicho:
"Much like your desire to be a despair troll leads you to make ridiculous statements about Obama's secret master plans vis a vis obamacare

Are you referring to the time I made the simple prediction that the Obamacare website would be running reasonably well by December, and on Dec 1st it was announced that the website was "now stable and operating at its intended capacity, with greatly improved performance"?

You reeeeally need to get over this. Yes, you like many of the ilk were dead wrong but to continue to deny it 9 months after the fact makes you seem just abjectly delusional.

Get a life dude.

Anonymous zippo September 09, 2014 10:33 AM  

"Watch a McDonald’s commercial, and you will discover that your statement is undeniably false."

I do business on a regular basis in a large college town with a bustling main square. When I go into a Starbucks or a burger joint, or even walk down the street, I never see the Happy Multicultural Gang. I see:

--Asians hanging out with Asians
--Muslims hanging out with Muslims
--Whites hanging out with whites
--Latinos working behind the counter
--Blacks rare as hen's teeth

Anonymous bob k. mando September 09, 2014 10:45 AM  

Porky September 09, 2014 10:20 AM
and on Dec 1st it was announced that the website was "now stable and operating at its intended capacity, with greatly improved performance"?



because the Obama administration pronouncing something so ( like, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" ) is the same thing as factual proof.

but, since we're all about acknowledging our stupid statements now, how bout walking back that fucking retarded assertion that Afghanistan was about oil, Porkster?

Anonymous Porky September 09, 2014 11:01 AM  

because the Obama administration pronouncing something so ( like, "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" ) is the same thing as factual proof.

No, Bobby. Rhetoric is rhetoric. Error rates, throughput, number of servers added, traffic reports etc. are the facts.

how bout walking back that fucking retarded assertion that Afghanistan was about oil

It's called regional stability, Bobby. But you go right on believing that we spent half a trillion dollars to "defend freedom" or whatever.

It's hard to believe, but you actually do seemingly get dumber every time you speak.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet September 09, 2014 11:26 AM  

The Anti-Gnostic ,

You better come up with something, because this hill is exceeding the angle of repose.

Well, in fairness, I did address this earlier in the thread when I said we should focus on increased choice in opportunities (read, something other than affirmative action) and race-related police abuse.

Now, in the end, I don't actually have to come up with anything. I don't exactly care if anyone else is afraid of or dislikes Blacks or whatever. The case for segregation is weak and addresses a problem that doesn't even exist.

Anonymous zippo September 09, 2014 11:32 AM  

"The case for segregation is weak"

The case for segregation was effectively made, and won, a long time ago. It's called "white flight." It's called "suburbs." It's called "'good' schools". It's called "whitopia". What do you think segregation actually is?

Ever been to the San Gabriel Valley? Or Monterey Park? The Asians certainly don't want to live with blacks and Hispanics, but they also don't even want to live with the whites. Some country. Well, it used to be a country.

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