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Tuesday, September 23, 2014

The beginning of the end

This 1978 speech given by Alexander Solzhenitsyn at Harvard is not only prophetic, but appears to have fallen entirely on deaf ears:
How short a time ago, relatively, the small, new European world was easily seizing colonies everywhere, not only without anticipating any real resistance, but also usually despising any possible values in the conquered people's approach to life. On the face of it, it was an overwhelming success. There were no geographic frontiers [limits] to it. Western society expanded in a triumph of human independence and power. And all of a sudden in the 20th century came the discovery of its fragility and friability.

We now see that the conquests proved to be short lived and precarious -- and this, in turn, points to defects in the Western view of the world which led to these conquests. Relations with the former colonial world now have turned into their opposite and the Western world often goes to extremes of subservience, but it is difficult yet to estimate the total size of the bill which former colonial countries will present to the West and it is difficult to predict whether the surrender not only of its last colonies, but of everything it owns, will be sufficient for the West to foot the bill.

But the blindness of superiority continues in spite of all and upholds the belief that the vast regions everywhere on our planet should develop and mature to the level of present day Western systems, which in theory are the best and in practice the most attractive. There is this belief that all those other worlds are only being temporarily prevented (by wicked governments or by heavy crises or by their own barbarity and incomprehension) from taking the way of Western pluralistic democracy and from adopting the Western way of life. Countries are judged on the merit of their progress in this direction.

However, it is a conception which develops out of Western incomprehension of the essence of other worlds, out of the mistake of measuring them all with a Western yardstick. The real picture of our planet's development is quite different and which about our divided world gave birth to the theory of convergence between leading Western countries and the Soviet Union. It is a soothing theory which overlooks the fact that these worlds are not at all developing into similarity. Neither one can be transformed into the other without the use of violence. Besides, convergence inevitably means acceptance of the other side's defects, too, and this is hardly desirable.

If I were today addressing an audience in my country, examining the overall pattern of the world's rifts, I would have concentrated on the East's calamities. But since my forced exile in the West has now lasted four years and since my audience is a Western one, I think it may be of greater interest to concentrate on certain aspects of the West, in our days, such as I see them.

A decline in courage may be the most striking feature which an outside observer notices in the West in our days. The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately, in each country, each government, each political party, and, of course, in the United Nations. Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling groups and the intellectual elite, causing an impression of loss of courage by the entire society. Of course, there are many courageous individuals, but they have no determining influence on public life.

Political and intellectual bureaucrats show depression, passivity, and perplexity in their actions and in their statements, and even more so in theoretical reflections to explain how realistic, reasonable, as well as intellectually and even morally worn it is to base state policies on weakness and cowardice. And decline in courage is ironically emphasized by occasional explosions of anger and inflexibility on the part of the same bureaucrats when dealing with weak governments and with countries not supported by anyone, or with currents which cannot offer any resistance. But they get tongue-tied and paralyzed when they deal with powerful governments and threatening forces, with aggressors and international terrorists.

Should one point out that from ancient times declining courage has been considered the beginning of the end?
Solzhenitsyn even foresaw the vicious and unending assault of the Social Justice Warriors: "Social dogmatism leaves us completely helpless in front of the trials of our times." Social Justice Enforcers would be a more apt term. The SJWs are nothing less than the mutaween of the godless West, the self-appointed enforcers of the would-be globalist elite's hellish parody of morality.

This is the time to make your choice. This is the time to stand up for what you believe. This is the time to show courage rather than to keep silent in the hope that you will be overlooked and the rabid mob will pass you by. This is the time to support those who stand with you and abandon those who don't. This is the time to stop trying to appease the voracious, insatiable rabbits, who have tasted blood and discovered that they rather like it.

This is not the time for cowardice.

Sooner or later, the end will come. Every society ever known to Man has come to an end and ours will not be an exception. But if it ends in our time, let us be found with wounds in the front of our bodies and broken, bloody swords in hand. And if it ends in our children's or grandchildren's times, let them be able to look to us, as we look to Solzhenitsyn, and know that we prepared them for the battles they must fight.

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171 Comments:

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 9:19 AM  

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Anonymous Anonymous September 23, 2014 9:25 AM  

A-fucking-men.

Anonymous Cryan Ryan September 23, 2014 9:26 AM  

Once the vote of women was up for grabs, all hope was lost. It has just been an accelerating ride downhill from there.

Even the white church ladies in my small white town spend their time clucking away, while creating pretty quilts to give to the invading masses.

If you express any concern about the invading hoards, the gentle ladies express surprise...they hadn't heard about anything like that!

Of course not. One would have to read or think.

This isn't just boomer women. Younger women have no idea who is in office, who is running for office, or how our government works.

They simply flock to the polls like sheep, and vote against our interests, time and time again.

Hell, they can't even tell you who they voted for an hour later. They just giggle and say..."I just filled in all the boxes - hee hee"

Yes, it's all very funny.

Anonymous Anonymous September 23, 2014 9:27 AM  

Do not neglect the joy of this fight. We have been given a great privilege.

Anonymous Cheddarman September 23, 2014 9:32 AM  

I know who wins in the end, I am going to follow Him.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 9:42 AM  


Sooner or later, the end will come. Every society ever known to Man has come to an end and ours will not be an exception. But if it ends in our time, let us be found with wounds in the front of our bodies and broken, bloody swords in hand. And if it ends in our children's or grandchildren's times, let them be able to look to us, as we look to Solzhenitsyn, and know that we prepared them for the battles they must fight.



“To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers
And the temples of his gods"

Anonymous Biddy September 23, 2014 9:43 AM  

Bravo, VD! This is why I have read you since I found you on WND many years ago. Godspeed, warriors all!

Blogger buzzardist September 23, 2014 9:43 AM  

Relations with the former colonial world now have turned into their opposite and the Western world often goes to extremes of subservience, but it is difficult yet to estimate the total size of the bill which former colonial countries will present to the West and it is difficult to predict whether the surrender not only of its last colonies, but of everything it owns, will be sufficient for the West to foot the bill.

The cost of the bill is now very much clear. They will take over our countries to an extent that the West rarely attempted with theirs.

With the exception of the United States, Australia, and perhaps Canada, South Africa, and New Zealand, European colonization generally functioned on an administrative level. There were economic interests in the country, and political administrators and military troops managed the native populations in those countries to the extent that the financial interests were served. Attempts to truly colonize a land by sending large numbers of people there to settle and take over the land only happened in a few instances.

Now, it's not the people whose lands were utterly taken away from them who are coming back to bite the West. It's the people who held onto their lands in countries that weren't taken over by European immigrants that are now the thorn in our side. It's not the Apache or Cherokee or Aborigine peoples. It's the Middle East, Africa, Central and South America, and South Asia. The bill that they want to hand us for taking political control of their countries for a couple generations before handing power back to them? They will settle our countries and take the land from beneath our feet.

Blogger Crowhill September 23, 2014 9:45 AM  

ISTM there is a failure of courage because there is a failure of conviction. The idea of secular western democracy sounds nice to many people, but it doesn't engender the sort of devotion and sacrifice that other world-views can and do. And that, IMO, is one of the strongest arguments against secular western democracy. Completely aside from its internal contradictions, it simply doesn't rally the troops, and it is therefore unsustainable.

The question is what will it fall to?

Anonymous A. Nonymous September 23, 2014 10:05 AM  

We now see that the conquests proved to be short lived and precarious -- and this, in turn, points to defects in the Western view of the world which led to these conquests.

I have to question this bit. Historically speaking it seems to me that, Western or otherwise, people conquer (or attempt to conquer) other people primarily because they can and because population pressures and related factors make territorial expansion an attractive prospect, not because of a "defective worldview".

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 10:05 AM  

And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.

Anonymous A Visitor September 23, 2014 10:07 AM  

"A decline in courage may be the most striking feature which an outside observer notices in the West in our days. The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately"

How many people even care that this has happened?

" they get tongue-tied and paralyzed when they deal with powerful governments and threatening forces, with aggressors and international terrorists."

Sounds like Obama, et. al.

"In the process, however, one psychological detail has been overlooked: the constant desire to have still more things and a still better life and the struggle to attain them imprint many Western faces with worry and even depression, though it is customary to conceal such feelings. Active and tense competition fills all human thoughts without opening a way to free spiritual development."

In other words, materialism != happiness.

"a society with no other scale than the legal one is not quite worthy of man either."

Exactly! Beyond not taking advantage of the high level of humans possibilities, it can easily be used against you.

"A statesman who wants to achieve something important and highly constructive for his country has to move cautiously and even timidly. There are thousands of hasty and irresponsible critics around him; parliament and the press keep rebuffing him. As he moves ahead, he has to prove that each single step of his is well-founded and absolutely flawless."

One of the benefits to the pre-Internet era is that if you had an honest statesman who really did have his country's best interests at heart (this is only in reference to the U.S.), he could move without everyone second guessing him as they'd know nothing about it until after the fact.

"Thus, mediocrity triumphs with the excuse of restrictions imposed by democracy." This sounds like the civil service.

Anonymous A Visitor September 23, 2014 10:07 AM  

"Society appears to have little defense against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, such as motion pictures full of pornography, crime, and horror."

All of this serves to desensitize people. It never ends well.

"People also have the right not to know and it's a much more valuable one. The right not to have their divine souls [stuffed with gossip, nonsense, vain talk.]"

How many people truly want to know how the government gets certain things done? How many people really want to know what threats are really out there?

"what is not fashionable will hardly ever find its way into periodicals or books or be heard in colleges."

At least we have the Internet, for now...

"it is a profound analysis showing that socialism of any type and shade leads to a total destruction of the human spirit and to a leveling of mankind into death."

Yet were headed to the same end right now in America.

"The center of your democracy and of your culture is left without electric power for a few hours only, and all of a sudden crowds of American citizens start looting and creating havoc. The smooth surface film must be very thin, then, the social system quite unstable and unhealthy."

Something really struck me a few weeks ago when we lost power for a few hours. Everyone was bored besides one family member and me. The others had no idea how to get along without electricity.

"On the contrary, only moral criteria can help the West against communism's well planned world strategy."

Had to read a book about Kennan in grad school. The man is dead wrong. Moral criteria must be applied to politics. Otherwise, how do you ever make any moral leaps forward?

"To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal." Man is that powerful.

"Every society ever known to Man has come to an end and ours will not be an exception. But if it ends in our time, let us be found with wounds in the front of our bodies and broken, bloody swords in hand."

Si vis pacem, para bellum!

"Do not neglect the joy of this fight. We have been given a great privilege."

Very true. How many people can say they've been given a chance to fundamentally change the world for the better.

"I know who wins in the end, I am going to follow Him." Yep.

Anonymous trev006 September 23, 2014 10:14 AM  

I dunno. Swords take a lot of breakin', and how bad is the fight really going to be? When Chris Dorner or Eric Frein attacks the police, the response could be nothing less than an armed incursion. Not only have they learned nothing from Iraq, the peace officers have substantially less self-control than the war officers! So the police will rapidly break under guerilla action, and the military will be unreliable at best for the political class. Who's left to enforce their will? The kind of gangbangers who were rolled up like carpet in South Africa?

So terms like "warrior" or "enforcer" are really the wrong ones, except in the most grimly ironic sense of the word. Better to say Social Justice Commissar, because their position, style, and sense of invulnerability come from the same place. RFK Jr. feels safe to say that his political enemies should be jailed because he thinks that no one besides left-wing terrorists would want to kill a Kennedy. He is QUITE mistaken.

So hold your heads up high- your enemies are cowards, and while they might be able to temporarily deprive you of a job, they'll fold like paper under any amount of resistance.

Anonymous zen0 September 23, 2014 10:27 AM  

In his speech, Solzhenitsyn mentions the book "Socialism" by the mathematician Igor Shafarevich.

It was published as The Socialist Phenomenon and is available for free in different formats.

Community Books - Socialist Phenomenon

Anonymous Daniel September 23, 2014 10:30 AM  

Free books? What are ya, zen0? Some sort of communist?

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 10:42 AM  

Funny just as I finished reading the post talking about a loss of courage, I look over in the docs office and see the cover of Time talking about football just being too dangerous.

Blogger FALPhil September 23, 2014 10:45 AM  

Cryan Ryan wrote:
Even the white church ladies in my small white town spend their time clucking away, while creating pretty quilts to give to the invading masses.

If you express any concern about the invading hoards, the gentle ladies express surprise...they hadn't heard about anything like that!


This begs the question, where does a Christian draw the line? My wife and I go round and round about this issue. Clearly, there is a bibical mandate to be kind to strangers and aliens. But what is the bibical guidance around immigration?

I would interpret Romans 13:1-7 as clearly being against illegal entrance into a country, and I Peter 2:13-7 would support it.

OTOH, Deuteronomy 32:8 clearly shows that borders are important. II Chronicles 36 is the account of how immigrants drag down a society, and Deut. 28: 43-44 says, "The sojourner who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, and you shall not lend to him. He shall be the head, and you shall be the tail." This plays out consistently throughout the OT. But in the NT, most discussions about immigration center on the themes of compassion and mercy, which, by most interpretations, indicates that we should implement very liberal policies immigration.

So, my question becomes, is there any bibical mandate around immigration in the NT besides obedience to civil law?

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 10:47 AM  

For Christ's sake - this speech is an indictment of the West, not an appeal to defend it.

It was doomed to failure. As Solzhenitsyn says, the welfare state is the ultimate realization of the enlightenment ideals of the American founding fathers.

If you want to bloody your sword, do it for something more worthwhile than "Western civilization."



Blogger ashepherd September 23, 2014 10:50 AM  

What an amazing quote. I've been looking for the word to describe the missing ingredient in Western culture for some time and courage really fits well. That lack of courage of course is the result of loosing any sense of purpose beyond self-gratification. I laugh every time I hear people in the US yammer about freedom. What they have meant since 1900 is orgasmic rights. They want the "right" to get their pleasure any way they want without judgement from anyone for any reason. But they have in fact enslaved themselves to their pleasures and the evil that results from that. We are seeing evidence of this evil mounting momentum every single week.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 10:52 AM  

by most interpretations, indicates that we should implement very liberal policies immigration.

MPAI. Feel free to attempt to demonstrate any logical connection between mercy and compassion on the one hand with a liberal immigration policy on the other.

Anonymous Sensei September 23, 2014 10:54 AM  

Molon Labe works in a lot of contexts...

Blogger gamma secret kings reddit September 23, 2014 11:03 AM  

As I have said, prayed before here, let the fight be in us as times shift...

Anonymous John Smallberries September 23, 2014 11:04 AM  

The terms "liberty" and "license" have been conflated in this country for a helluva long time.

Blogger Chiva September 23, 2014 11:09 AM  

Phillipians 3:19 "that they are enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things."

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 11:15 AM  

Solzhenitsyn even foresaw the vicious and unending assault of the Social Justice Warriors

He wasn't foreseeing it - he was describing it in real time to the very people who were doing it.

I doubt if a single pink brain in that audience realized he was talking about them.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 11:16 AM  

"and see the cover of Time talking about football just being too dangerous."

It sure looks likes our evil overlords grow tired of merkin' football and want to purge it from the culture and replace it with futbol......

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 11:18 AM  

"do it for something more worthwhile than "Western civilization.""

Refrigeration, cold beer and bacon is enough for me. MOLON LABE !!

Blogger Desdichado September 23, 2014 11:18 AM  

Yes, it's all very funny.

You don't honestly think that this is a phenomena of women voters, do you? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that your description doesn't apply equally well to most men voters.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 11:20 AM  

Solzhenitsyn Wasn’t Western

Anonymous DrTorch September 23, 2014 11:21 AM  

So, my question becomes, is there any bibical mandate around immigration in the NT besides obedience to civil law?

1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Blogger buzzardist September 23, 2014 11:24 AM  

FALPhil,

A few responses:

1) Where in the NT do you find any significant discussion of immigration? Yes, there are cross-cultural interactions. But immigration? I think we can agree that there is very little, if any, direct discussion of this issue.

2) Under what interpretive model do you take NT calls for compassion and mercy to involve throwing open a nation's doors to immigration? Indeed, the NT calls on Christians not to be a nation like the nations of the earth, but instead to be the body of Christ. The compassion and mercy that we show is in our capacity as Christ's body. We can welcome people of all races into that body, clothe and feed them, and show them compassion and mercy in many various ways. I'm missing the part that says we have to throw open a nation's borders in order to show Christ's love. And where mass immigration is likely to end up spreading hellholes faster than it raises people out of economic and political misery, I don't see how large-scale immigration is compassionate for anyone on either side of a border.

3) For all the discussion of love, mercy, and compassion in the NT, there is also an awful lot about sin, keeping ourselves apart from sinners, about the punishments awaiting sinners, about driving out sinners, etc. Jesus preached and practiced aggression and defense. Collect his words to Pharisees and Sadducees, and you'll have a long list of nasty invective. You're presenting the fairly typical sanitized Jesus and NT that mainstream, liberal denominations tend to preach. But it's simply not the biblical Jesus or NT. The God of the NT is the one who struck down a couple for lying about money. The God of the NT is one who promises hell fire for sinners. The God of the NT is one who promises severe judgment. The kingdom of God is one of mercy and compassion, but also one of judgment. You misread the NT if you claim otherwise.

4) If any Western nation does regard itself as a Christian nation (which is a concept that makes me very skeptical given that Jesus rejected the third temptation to have dominion over the kingdoms of the earth), given the admonitions to Christians to keep themselves separate from sinners, how can one possibly open the borders of that Christian nation to largely non-Christian people? Yes, we are to preach to all people. Yes, we ought to feed, clothe, and care for all people. But to inundate a Christian nation with non-Christians would be to pollute it. What church congregation would, in its right mind invite in the local atheist organization to be members in the church, giving them votes in church matters and seats in church leadership? Yes, reach out to people. Invite them to visit. But give them legal status and authority? What is absurd for a church congregation ought to be absurd for a Christian nation, too, if we hold to the idea that America or any other country is a Christian nation.

Anonymous PA September 23, 2014 11:24 AM  

"But what is the bibical guidance around immigration?"

Once you correctly understand mass immigration as genocide, you shouldn't have any difficulty finding biblical injunctions against it.

As to the nice church ladies, there has to be a chick-talk way of making them understand that kindness to refugees = corresponding cruelty to native people.

Blogger Matamoros September 23, 2014 11:26 AM  

Clearly, there is a bibical mandate to be kind to strangers and aliens. But what is the bibical guidance around immigration?

FALPhil quotes from Deut. 28, which points out the dangers of letting strangers into ones nation.

However, Deut. 15 notes who is to receive help and aid, and it is not the stranger!

"The needy will never be lacking in the land; that is why I command you to open your hand to your poor and needy kinsman in your country." [DEUT 15:7-11]

This is from the Catholic Confraternity translation of the Bible, which shows our only obligation is to our kinsmen, not the stranger.

Because we have let our enemies tell us otherwise is why we are in the predicament we are in.

Blogger CM September 23, 2014 11:33 AM  

Matamoros (and the one who asked the question) -

Except in cases where the immigrating forsakes EVERYTHING from their previous culture/family and embraces the new one completely like Rahab and Ruth.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 23, 2014 11:33 AM  

Very inspiring, Vox.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 11:35 AM  

re: Solzhenitsyn Wasn’t Western

"For Solzhenitsyn, in sum, Orthodoxy was inextricably intertwined with the Russia he loved and to which he gratefully returned, leaving behind a dying civilization fatefully wedded to a democratic ideology."

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 11:45 AM  


As to the nice church ladies, there has to be a chick-talk way of making them understand that kindness to refugees = corresponding cruelty to native people.


Use an emotional appeal. "It's wonderful that you church ladies have been so successful in eliminating poverty around here with your charity that you can afford to invite more poor people into the neighborhood."; or "You should be ashamed of yourself! Why are you depriving the poor/downtrodden/homeless/sick American children by giving this stuff to invading foreigners?"; etc. If they try to claim they are engaging in Christian charity, offer to buy them a ticket to help support their personal mission work in the native countries of the invaders. Shame and ostracism (or even fear of such) are powerful weapons against female rabbits.

Anonymous Beau September 23, 2014 11:47 AM  

Where can the coward find courage? At the very moment a man resolves in himself to obey Christ, that first movement of repentance in his heart, he gains the fear of God and loosens the fear of man. When he recognizes himself as sinner instead of self-esteemed his blindness falls from his eyes like scales. He calls to Christ, is received, forgiven and granted eternal life. He passes from death to life, what further can his opponent do? Herein lies courage, Christ's gift.

How does courage grow? When the convert holds forth the words of eternal life to his neighbor, explaining the gospel at the dinner table, or in his yard or garage. In so doing he extends the kingdom of God. No longer an infant, he has become a participant in the gospel, the salt of the earth, a man about his master's business. Engaged in the great commission he finds less time and attraction in the baubles of worldly distraction. He rejoices when his neighbor too turns to Christ. He is fortified in the inner man by observation of redemption alive in the world. He stands strengthened below the banner of heaven unfurled, ready for his next task

Blogger Quadko September 23, 2014 11:55 AM  

I will be conquered, I will not capitulate

Anonymous N5 September 23, 2014 12:05 PM  

George Orwell makes some insightful comments on the interplay of commerce in the Raj and the British government in his essay about Kipling. Worth a read.

Blogger hank.jim September 23, 2014 12:06 PM  

The conquered becomes the conquerer. That's an amazing observation. I didn't see that until it happened.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 12:07 PM  

Solzhenitsyn Wasn’t Western.

If the West had something of substance to offer, he would have stayed.

Fact is, Western civilization has NOTHING of value to offer outside of Christ. And Solzhenitsyn didn't need the West for that.

You can rally around the banner of Western Civilization and try to tinker with laws, and borders, and monetary systems, and the machinations of power and popular culture in a vain attempt to prop up a rotten structure with no foundation...

or you can rally to Christ.

Anonymous daddynichol September 23, 2014 12:10 PM  

Beau,

You state the mission perfectly.

Anonymous kh123 September 23, 2014 12:15 PM  

Keep in mind, his bent against the West, and America in particular, revolved around their involvement in WWII, more specifically America's and England's lack of engaging - and standing up to - the Soviet Union any further than it did in the immediate post war years, with regards to Russian freedom, as well as over Poland and several other Eastern European satellite states; mostly though over Russia and facing down Uncle Joe and the Politburo, of America apparently not being true to the principles of democracy rather than fighting the war for principles of expediency, "hastening back to their comforts".

Is not to say that his critique isn't fundamentally correct, and insightful, but I get the impression that his anger towards America was their reluctance to become in effect the next wing of the Russian Liberation Army once the German sponsored aspect collapsed near the end of the war.

"...the Russia he loved and to which he gratefully returned, leaving behind a dying civilization fatefully wedded to a democratic ideology."

Which was one of several Western countries that had given him asylum when his own rejected him, and a continued audience when those whom he spoke for hadn't the means to deliver him, take note. Without the West, his word would have never gotten out, and the seed would've died on the ground before ever sprouting.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 12:26 PM  

What is particularly agonizing is that the cowardice, like so much of the West's condition, is a function of the language. Do we really lack courage when we are capable of fielding and wielding Seal Team Six or a Carrier Task Group, or even when our Western civilization can reward the entrepreneur or the independent business man.

We are not completely ossified into structures that reflect cowardice. But it is worth noting that we are well on our way .... the Carrier Task Group is wielded with a fear: not of casualties per se, but of the political consequences of casualties. And small business is discouraged because of the threats it poses to existing corporate and governmental interests.

The real tragedy is that society qua society is not cowardly at all. But our leaders are so invested in the status quo and in their political gains that it sure looks that way.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 12:39 PM  

Fact is, Western civilization has NOTHING of value to offer outside of Christ. And Solzhenitsyn didn't need the West for that.

Property rights, rule of law?

Western civilization has been Christian longer than most others.

It's quite foolish to argue against the achievements of the synthesis of north sea Europeans and Christianity. I'm not sure if you can determine where one ends and the other begins.

Anonymous gwood September 23, 2014 12:41 PM  

"Society appears to have little defense against the abyss of human decadence, such as, for example, misuse of liberty for moral violence against young people, such as motion pictures full of pornography, crime, and horror."

From: Frankfurt School

To: Headquarters

Message: Mission accomplished.

Blogger Outlaw X September 23, 2014 12:41 PM  

The question is what will it fall to?

The answer is , a pagan patriarchal, with child and virgin sacrifice as major tenets of its religion. The spiritual void will be filled with a religion that while new to the US is as old as civilization itself. It is the default of the primal forces of nature during a reset.

Think hunger games for a pop culture example, think ancient south American cultures for a historical example.

Sit down and watch Snow Piercer sometime for a great example of the breakdown of the societal structure. Most people will be eating the black rectangle jell while oblivious to what is going on at front of the train. And everyone the next car up knows about the next one down, but knows little of the next car up. only the guy in the engine knows what is going on. That's what is coming, and if we lose, in two generations no one will be left to remember what is was, and the hero's will be villains while the guy in the engine will be a "god" that saved us from the "devil".

That really is a good movie to help one understand what is coming.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 12:46 PM  

If swords be drawn, Solzhenitsyn would have been fighting against you and all of Western Civilization.

And he would have been morally right to do so.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 12:47 PM  

From: Frankfurt School

To: Headquarters

Message: Mission accomplished.


Because popular entertainment in prior years was never vulgar and lascivious...

Retard.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 12:50 PM  

Josh: "Property rights, rule of law?"

"The letter of the law is too cold and formal to have a beneficial influence on society. Whenever the tissue of life is woven of legalistic relations, there is an atmosphere of moral mediocrity, paralyzing man's noblest impulses." - A. Solzhenitsyn

Anonymous Sarcophilus September 23, 2014 12:52 PM  

@Beau, all well and good, but even that is often "believe in Jesus and his ressurection then do as you please". At the dinner table, talk about Jesus to the point of annoyance, but not about war, torture, injustice, or anything practical?

Seal team six courage? Let them be court-marshaled for sexual harassment and see how brave they are.

It takes courage to live your life. That is in the meaning of "Pro-Life". Souls and spirit can be destroyed after birth.

The persecuted Christians of old were neon sign visible by their deeds and acts and their words which were not directly about Christ.

We need to look neither to the left nor the right but up where the ascended Christ is and will return from. And up to Jesus on the Cross and be willing to follow him there.

Every society has started from a small number of men who simply refused to follow the existing society in its corruption, decadence, and destruction. To respond with a refusal: "No, Hell!". And leave the rest to Divine Providence, trusting in the only judge that knows all and can't be bribed.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 12:56 PM  

Porky:

When you include the sentences preceding your quote...

"A society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either. A society, which is based on the letter of the law and never reaches any higher, is taking very scarce advantage of the high level of human possibilities."

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 12:58 PM  

Also rule of law != legalism.

Blogger Quadko September 23, 2014 12:59 PM  

OT: Drudge has headline Man bitten by Ebola patient... - maybe the zombie apocalypse is upon us in more ways than just illegal immigration. :-)

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 1:02 PM  


Fact is, Western civilization has NOTHING of value to offer outside of Christ. And Solzhenitsyn didn't need the West for that.


Yet here you are. Still preaching despair.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 1:02 PM  

At the dinner table, talk about Jesus to the point of annoyance, but not about war, torture, injustice, or anything practical?

The Jesus who healed the sick, fed the hungry, turned water into wine, calmed the storms, raised the dead, and conquered sin and death is not practical?

Anonymous bw September 23, 2014 1:05 PM  

It sure looks likes our evil overlords grow tired of merkin' football and want to purge it from the culture and replace it with futbol......

Has to be more to it than that. College football is booming and making more than ever, but remember they have already had the correct think framework in place through the colleges and universities themselves for decades. Hell, academia is part of the spear point.
The NFL has no such framework for the fundamentalist justice warriors to enact correct think and correct act, so media is having to stir the pot and provide the platform for the feminist change agents.(note how Race is not being used here because it would out their preferred victim class: read non-whites).
The failure of the political animals to be consistent is very easy to see for those who do not have a social agenda and who simply wish to see nature and reality as it is.

Blogger Glen Filthie September 23, 2014 1:11 PM  

Being nice to your enemies will not make them like you. This is something the social justice warriors will never learn, it is a point they will never concede.

Their agenda is sacred to them too. The politics and moralities involved with their agenda go as deep as those of pre-civil war America too. Literally - expect brothers to take up arms against each other as the sides are drawn.

Years ago my daughter came out of the closet and announced that she was a militant gay hipster and feminist. Thank God she wasn't living at home at the time. She told me that in the future our family would be politically correct, and that she and her ugly girl friend - pardon me, "love partner" - would tell us all what we could say and think and that if we all didn't go along we would be considered intolerant and we would be ostracized.

First thing out of my face was 'Sounds good to me, you idiot carpet muncher...' and that was the last I really saw of her. The in-laws rolled over and banded together to ridicule me the same way Vox gets egged by his detractors - but I just shrugged it off or gave them a bored flip of the bird when they got stupid about it. Today my daughter is an unrepentant train wreck, everyone knows it and a few of my rodent-like in laws have since apologized. They find that the progessive homosexual shit show got stale after a few years too. Other members of the family eagerly drink the koolaid that kid serves up and they are welcome to it.

I wanted to roll over too when my daughter 'came out'. I never wanted anything more in my life than to just go belly up and throw morality, self respect and ethics out - this was my daughter, and everyone else was doing it. To this day I don't know where I found the spine to draw my line in the sand. People said I was mean and horrible and ignorant. They called me the worst things you can imagine. I have skin as thick as yours, Vox, but a few of the abusive comments still got through.

I laid down the law with my wife too. I told her that my daughter and her idiot progressive liberal parents were no longer welcome in my home, and that if she was going to defend and enable my daughter's degenerate behaviour we were done. We would put down the dogs, sell the house, divide up the RRSP's and that, as they say, would be that! It still chokes me up to this day...but she didn't even hesitate. She stood with me when the rest of her idiot family were shrieking about homophobia, political incorrectness and rednecks.

I hope our family sorts itself out and gets back together...I still love my daughter and fear for her but she is 30 years old now and it doesn't look good. Some fights are worth having - and this battle for our self respect, our culture and common decency is going to happen. There is no dodging it, they is no appeasement that will work, if you go along with them to get along with them you WILL regret it. Liberals and SJW's do not respect family ties and they WILL use them against you as they pursue their agenda. It would be wise for you to think about these things and be ready for them if worst should come to worst for your family as it did with mine.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 1:18 PM  

Josh: "A society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either."

Josh, he's talking about the West.

"Western society has given itself the organization best suited to its purposes based, I would say, on the letter of the law."

You guys are amazing. Solzhenitsyn speaks out in the most disparaging terms about Western Civilization and you guys take it as a rallying cry to bloody your swords in the defense of Western Civilization.

Look: Solzhenitsyn thinks the West is the greatest threat to Christian Civilization. And guess what - he's right.



Anonymous bw September 23, 2014 1:21 PM  

The Jesus who healed the sick, fed the hungry, turned water into wine, calmed the storms, raised the dead, and conquered sin and death is not practical?

Forgive and you will be forgiven is the ultimate point to note to the rabbits. The root of their world view is resentment and hatred (unforgiveness) coupled with the desire to be god(s) - that is, tell you what to do and how to live and what to think and what to believe in.
Their worldview - the fulfillment of their ego, and the excuses for their failures, through the coercive third party power of the State - is nothing more than a usurpation vs nature and its God.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 1:21 PM  

Look: Solzhenitsyn thinks the West is the greatest threat to Christian Civilization. And guess what - he's right.

I don't disagree, but for hundreds of years the west was Christian civilization.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 1:30 PM  

>>Look: Solzhenitsyn thinks the West is the greatest threat to Christian Civilization. And guess what - he's right.

What?

That is a loose reading, at best. Solzhenitsyn says in his intro:

>>and this, in turn, points to defects in the Western view of the world which led to these conquests. Relations with the former colonial world now have turned into their opposite and the Western world often goes to extremes of subservience, ... But the blindness of superiority continues in spite of all and upholds the belief that the vast regions everywhere on our planet should develop and mature to the level of present day Western systems, which in theory are the best and in practice the most attractive.

He isn't saying the West is the greatest threat. In fact, he says that the West is "in theory are the best and in practice the most attractive." He is pointing out that the West has structural flaws that create a rot that does not allow it to solidify its conquests.

That's a far cry from "enemy of Christianity". More like, "some of your foundations should be examined critically for the structural problems they create."

Anonymous redsash September 23, 2014 1:35 PM  

The last pictures I saw of Solzhenitsyn looked as if they were taken at his kitchen table. Putin was there. Solzhenitsyn was smiling, even beaming at Putin. Solzhenitsyn seemed satisfied that he was leaving his beloved Rossiya in good hands. During the last Syrian fiasco Putin proved to the world that his was the coolest head, that he was the best statesman among the world's elite. I don't think the West knows how to deal with someone who truly loves his people and his country other than to screetch, point their finger and ostracize him.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 1:37 PM  

I don't disagree, but for hundreds of years the west was Christian civilization.

When? Before the Magna Carta?

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 1:41 PM  

@Simon Jester

Solzhenitsyn's opinion that the West is a threat to Christian Civilization was expressed later in life, not in the Harvard speech.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 1:43 PM  

I don't think the West knows how to deal with someone who truly loves his people and his country other than to screetch, point their finger and ostracize him.

Western leftists, in the press, in the governments, in the schools, etc., think Putin is a communist, a fellow traveler, so they do not understand his opposition to their plans for an international socialist utopia. They simply cannot comprehend the fact that Putin is a Russian. While he might be perfectly willing to accept their obeisance, he will not bow to them.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 1:44 PM  

When? Before the Magna Carta?

After the first wave of Muslim expansion took over the east.

Or Charlemagne.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 1:44 PM  

Solzhenitsyn seemed satisfied that he was leaving his beloved Rossiya in good hands.

Did he ever try criticizing Vlad?

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 1:47 PM  

No one puts vladdy in the corner

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 1:49 PM  

@GF: " It would be wise for you to think about these things and be ready for them if worst should come to worst for your family as it did with mine."

Wow Glen, most of the time I think you're an annoying troll, but that was awesome, really. Gives me food for thought concerning some of my own particular family hell, but not something I care to share much about in detail here.

Prayers for you and yours.

Blogger CM September 23, 2014 1:59 PM  

On West being a Christian World -
While the Catholic Church of Olde did a bang up job converting the masses to a Christian lifestyle, I can not agree that "christian" civilisation is actually Christian in light of everything the Catholic Church did to meet propriety. They caved on May poles, Christmas trees, easter eggs, and even canonized a celtic goddess all because they were too popular and they couldn't get the natives to stop the offending behavior.

Christ doesn't save nations. A nation isn't going to heaven. He saves individuals that are part of nations.

While our constitution owes a lot of its functionality to a Christian philosophy and worldview, it does not make America a Christian nation. We are not and have never been a theocracy.

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 2:00 PM  

"You guys are amazing. Solzhenitsyn speaks out in the most disparaging terms about Western Civilization and you guys take it as a rallying cry to bloody your swords in the defense of Western Civilization."

And your point is? He is talking about how things went wrong with Western Civilization and we are wanting to defend what is left. We agree with a lot of what he is saying it's just that we are children of the West and want to save it where as Solzhenitsyn isn't. It's not his fight but it is ours.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 2:00 PM  

After the first wave of Muslim expansion took over the east.

Or Charlemagne.


You're talking about a different West than Solzhenitsyn.

The West you are thinking about hasn't existed for a thousand years.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 2:02 PM  

Stilicho: Yet here you are. Still preaching despair.

And here you are. Still utterly missing the point and nipping at ankles.

Blogger FALPhil September 23, 2014 2:02 PM  

Buzzardist:

1) Agreed. Hence the question.

2) I don't take it that way. My point was that many Christians (such as my wife and many US Christian resettlement ministries) do. What I am looking for is a logical rebuttal to the concept. Again, I agree with you completely. There are several denominations, I am aware of one in the UMC, that provide services to aliens in the US, both legal and illegal. These services range from providing necessities to prevention of deportation and navigating the welfare system. Many of the recipients of this largesse are Mohammedans who are essentially enemies. A large part of the Somali community in Minnesota was funneled through these church-related organizations.

3) No argument here. I agree with what you say. In the 20th century, only one half the gospel has been preached - the "nice" half. The other half has been largely ignored in the age of marketing and scrambling for marketshare.

4) That is an excellent argument, although I have to take issue with one point, that being that Christians cannot be separate from sinners because Christians are sinners too. What they can be is separate from unrepentant sinners. I think I will spruce this argument up up and use it.

Matamoros:

Like Buzzardist points out, there is little discussion in the NT, but the OT is full of applicable references. The problem I run into in the discussions is that a large percentage of Christians, especially those of a dispensationalist mind, seem to discount any argument based on the OT.

CM:
Excellent point. I will keep that in mind as well.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 2:05 PM  

He is talking about how things went wrong with Western Civilization and we are wanting to defend what is left.

What is left?

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 2:06 PM  

You're talking about a different West than Solzhenitsyn.

The West you are thinking about hasn't existed for a thousand years.


No, that west didn't end until the collective suicide attempt of 1914.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 2:08 PM  

And your point is? He is talking about how things went wrong with Western Civilization and we are wanting to defend what is left. We agree with a lot of what he is saying it's just that we are children of the West and want to save it where as Solzhenitsyn isn't. It's not his fight but it is ours.

He just wants you to give up. It was ever thus:

Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Anonymous Discard September 23, 2014 2:09 PM  

FALPhil: The Bible tells us to help the stranger, but nowhere does it say to do so at our neighbors' expense. Mexicans take the jobs that once went to young or unskilled Americans. Mexicans turn once thriving working class neighborhoods into crime ridden slums, good schools into day care centers. (I grew up in Los Angeles, I'm personally familiar with all this) If anyone wishes to help the stranger, let them do it out of their own resources and in their own neighborhoods. "Screw the less advantaged of your own people in order to pose as compassionate to foreigners" is not in the Bible.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 2:10 PM  

Porky >>>Solzhenitsyn's opinion that the West is a threat to Christian Civilization was expressed later in life, not in the Harvard speech.

Sorry, that does not fly. And it is deceptive, in point of fact.

You can look at these sources:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/arts/al0172.html
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2013/03/alexander-solzhenitsyn-courage-to-be-a-christian.html
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/47643.htm

(you can also read The Gulag Archipelago, or any of Solzhenitsyn's other works, but I will confine this defense to easily findable material. The above three are the top three from Google searches)

The latter may be what you are referring to, in that it contains the text of his address in 1983 entitled "Men Have Forgotten God".

But again, to say that Solzhenitsyn believes that the West is a threat to Christian Civilization is vastly misstate his case. His central thesis can be summarized as follows:

1) Secular Fundamentalism is a threat to Christianity.
2) Communism and related ideologies utilize SF to undercut the moral underpinnings of any structure against which it aligns

In relation to the West, he states unequivocally that

>>>As a survivor of the Communist Holocaust I am horrified to witness how my beloved America, my adopted country, is gradually being transformed into a secularist and atheistic utopia, where communist ideals are glorified and promoted, while Judeo-Christian values and morality are ridiculed and increasingly eradicated from the public and social consciousness of our nation.

and, separately,

>>>Over the last twelve years I have stopped viewing Russia as something very distinct from the West. Today when we say the West we are already referring to the West and to Russia. We could use the word "modernity" if we exclude Africa, and the Islamic world, and partially China. With the exception of those areas we should not use the words "the West" but the word "modernity".

In these contexts, it is reasonably clear that his fear is not that the West is the enemy of Christianity, but that it (the West), which at one time embodied the Judeo Christian ideal, is being undermined.

You might ask, why I care about this. It is my belief that Solzhenitsyn's thought represents one of the important pillars on which we can rebuild the West, if in fact the West is not worth fighting for. Your misstatement and misunderstanding of the man undermines both his thought and his conclusions.

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 2:13 PM  

"What is left?"

A whole hell of a lot. Get out of the big cities and you will see. Man lead families where the wife and children are loved. Property rights are still respected. Families that teach kids morals based on the Bible. It's there especially among the homeschool families.

Blogger James Dixon September 23, 2014 2:33 PM  

> The West you are thinking about hasn't existed for a thousand years.

As long as we live it does, Porky.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 2:34 PM  

And here you are. Still utterly missing the point and nipping at ankles.

Oink!

Like any bestial savage, you want to destroy what you do not understand or cannot attain. Your chosen weapon is despair: abandon hope, all ye who enter this thread! You claim to be a Christian, yet you encourage Christians to embrace sin. You spread your particular brand of ordure thicker than smallpox on a government blanket and call it good because you cannot conceive of actual good. You embrace darkness and call it light. You mistake your guttural noises for argument because it is the only noise you can make and compound your error by believing that repeating those grunts and snorts makes you appear wise. If you merely suffered from despair, we would pity you. Since you insist upon trying to spread your contagion like an internet version of Typhoid Mary, we abhor you instead. One suspects you have an unfortunate tendency to soil yourself at family gatherings and then blame the white man for your incontinence while proudly displaying the resulting mess as proof of your character. Enjoy the dark and fetid miasma of your psyche, but, for the sake of all that's holy, learn to keep your incessant emotional fapping hidden from public view.

Anonymous Beau September 23, 2014 2:37 PM  

@Beau, all well and good, but even that is often "believe in Jesus and his ressurection then do as you please". At the dinner table, talk about Jesus to the point of annoyance, but not about war, torture, injustice, or anything practical?

I must applaud your attempt to disqualify the great commission. It sounds so reasonable. Obviously you know not the joy of introducing a sinner to Christ, if you did, you'd easily see how shallow and risible is your criticism. How's your Social Justice bake sale going? What color ribbons are you hawking this week? Got any nifty feelgood t-shirts? Are you saved - or still in your sins?

When your jacket is covered in the snot and tears of broken men seeking release from decades of shame, then perhaps you'll understand the true efficacy of Christ.

Blogger John Wright September 23, 2014 2:39 PM  

"But the blindness of superiority continues in spite of all and upholds the belief that the vast regions everywhere on our planet should develop and mature to the level of present day Western systems, which in theory are the best and in practice the most attractive. There is this belief that all those other worlds are only being temporarily prevented (by wicked governments or by heavy crises or by their own barbarity and incomprehension) from taking the way of Western pluralistic democracy and from adopting the Western way of life. Countries are judged on the merit of their progress in this direction."

I am reminded of 'The End of History and the Last Man' by Francis Fukuyama.

This book was appallingly blind in its central conceit, namely, that every on Earth wants to move to Vermont, become a lapsed Protestant, and live in the suburbs.

The blindness amused me so much that I named one of my short stories after it. In this short story two vast interstellar commonwealths are entirely obliterated by remorseless war, leaving only a warrior and a she-warrior of the enemy sides to be the new Adam and Eve.

Not everyone wants to live in peace in Vermont. Some would die to avoid that fate, and others will kill, and some will do both.

Anonymous Bystander September 23, 2014 2:39 PM  

"Your chosen weapon is despair: abandon hope, all ye who enter this thread!"

Thread win!

"You claim to be a Christian, yet you encourage Christians to embrace sin."

What! Porky is an apostate?

Anonymous Theodore Dalrymple September 23, 2014 2:40 PM  

"Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 2:55 PM  

When your jacket is covered in the snot and tears of broken men seeking release from decades of shame, then perhaps you'll understand the true efficacy of Christ.

Amen, brother. Amen.

Keep advancing on the gates of hell.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:05 PM  

In these contexts, it is reasonably clear that his fear is not that the West is the enemy of Christianity, but that it (the West), which at one time embodied the Judeo Christian ideal, is being undermined.

Nope. From 2006:

"Russia's accession to the Euro-Atlantic alliance, which is now forcibly imposing Western democratic values in various parts of the world, would result not in the expansion but the decline of Christian civilization."

It's clear that he sees Western democratic values as the threat to Christian civilization.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 3:07 PM  

JW>>Not everyone wants to live in peace in Vermont. Some would die to avoid that fate, and others will kill, and some will do both.

I think this is one of the profound pillars of Solzhenitsyn's thought, namely, that many of the divisions and battle lines that we see today are only super-imposed on more fundamental battle lines. The Gulag Archipelago was nothing if not a spiritual fabric that underlay the political system.

Vermont is a nice vacation, but the more you are tied to that spiritual fabric, the less you can call it home.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:08 PM  

You embrace darkness and call it light.

Because I don't place my hope in "western civilization"?

My God but you are stupid.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 23, 2014 3:09 PM  

Simon Jester: "In relation to the West, he states unequivocally that

>>>As a survivor of the Communist Holocaust I am horrified to witness how my beloved America, my adopted country, is gradually being transformed into a secularist and atheistic utopia, where communist ideals are glorified and promoted, while Judeo-Christian values and morality are ridiculed and increasingly eradicated from the public and social consciousness of our nation. "

He was allowed to say that in English, but try finding a mass market English translation of 200 Years Together.

Simon Jester: "In these contexts, it is reasonably clear that his fear is not that the West is the enemy of Christianity, but that it (the West), which at one time embodied the Judeo Christian ideal, is being undermined."

If so, his fear was groundless. The peoples that once were Christendom grow more Judeo with every year. (Or more precisely, they become more and more part of Judeo's extended phenotype.)

Simon Jester: "You might ask, why I care about this. It is my belief that Solzhenitsyn's thought represents one of the important pillars on which we can rebuild the West, if in fact the West is not worth fighting for."

I don't think the redefinition of flocks of sheep as a primordial flock of wolves-and-sheep is going to work out well for the sheep.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 3:09 PM  

>>"Russia's accession to the Euro-Atlantic alliance, which is now forcibly imposing Western democratic values in various parts of the world, would result not in the expansion but the decline of Christian civilization."

Bzzt. That is a shallow, myopic reading of the man that leads to an erroneous conclusion. But hey, keep trolling.

Anonymous Stilicho September 23, 2014 3:13 PM  

Because I don't place my hope in "western civilization"?

Do you even know what electrolytes are?

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 23, 2014 3:15 PM  

Simon Jester: "I think this is one of the profound pillars of Solzhenitsyn's thought, namely, that many of the divisions and battle lines that we see today are only super-imposed on more fundamental battle lines."

That part I agree with.

He was great. Not sound enough to serve as a pillar of a house that will stand, but as an artist still great.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:15 PM  

As long as we live it does, Porky.

That's called Christian civilization, not Western civilization.

Western civilization is a dead, rotting, frankensteinian legal abomination built upon the hubris of so-called "enlightened" elitist statesmen.

Go ahead and try to resurrect it. Pump it full of adrenaline and hit it with the shock paddles. Weep and wail as you attempt mouth to mouth resuscitation on its dried and putrid lips.

Christ will still be waiting when you've finally exhausted your efforts.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 3:16 PM  

>>He was allowed to say that in English, but try finding a mass market English translation of 200 Years Together.

What is your point?

>>>If so, his fear was groundless. The peoples that once were Christendom grow more Judeo with every year. (Or more precisely, they become more and more part of Judeo's extended phenotype.)

Again ... point?

It seems as if you are trying to point out that a lot of Solzhenitsyn's point to an inherent strain of anti-semitism (well founded or not, I don't really know).

But that line of argument doesn't even speak to his being a core proponent of both the West and its underlying Jedeo-Christian morality, which is the point of this post.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 3:17 PM  

edit: Solzhenitsyn's critics point ...

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:19 PM  

Bzzt. That is a shallow, myopic reading of the man that leads to an erroneous conclusion.

It's his words. And he foreshadows the current Ukranian situation quite presciently.

It's the opposite of myopic.

Anonymous kfg September 23, 2014 3:20 PM  

There are still, however, native Green Mountain Boys who will kill and die for Vermont.

Blogger James Dixon September 23, 2014 3:29 PM  

> That's called Christian civilization, not Western civilization.

Nope. For us, they're one and the same. But as I've noted, you do have a habit of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Blogger James Dixon September 23, 2014 3:33 PM  

The misnamed Western Civilization you're talking about is what happens when a leadership abandons Christianity, Porky. But it doesn't have to be that way. And when it finally collapses, as it eventually must, we'll still be here to pick up the pieces and rebuild.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 3:34 PM  

Do you even know what electrolytes are?

Duh...It's what plants crave.

Brought to you by Carl's junior.

If you're so smart how come you don't know that?

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:37 PM  

"What is left?"

A whole hell of a lot. Get out of the big cities and you will see. Man lead families where the wife and children are loved. Property rights are still respected. Families that teach kids morals based on the Bible. It's there especially among the homeschool families.

Yeah, that's not a civilization. It's a counterculture at best.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler September 23, 2014 3:39 PM  

Western Civilization was Christian until the Enlightenment. The Protestants, Judaized Christians, helped kill Christendom of Throne and Altar.

But Solzhenityzn was not the first--Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddihn was when in his book Liberty or Equality talked how democracy emasculates men. The suffrage of women and democracy kill masculinity. Furthermore, no one in the West knows how to train boys into men. It no longer happens. No one has a clue. No one knows what the virtue of Andreia means anymore.

Christ came at the high point of human civilization. It is was all downhill ever since.

My book The Case of the Barefoot Socrates: Academic Myth-Making and the Jewish Transformation of Western Culture shows in part what happened. The West was transformed.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus September 23, 2014 3:39 PM  

Simon Jester: "But that line of argument doesn't even speak to his being a core proponent of both the West and its underlying Jedeo-Christian morality, which is the point of this post."

OK. I accept that Solzhenitsyn was a proponent of Jedeo-Christian morality, which is the point of this post.

I have a national security policy theory quibble with his views on the Vietnam War. (It won't be hard for anyone to guess what my opinion would be, based on an Offensive Realism framework.) But I'll leave that aside. I accept that the fundamental orientation of morality is the main thing, and differences of opinion on the war in Vietnam are all moot now.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:43 PM  

Christian civilization, not Western civilization.

Nope. For us, they're one and the same.


Well sorry, they're not.

Throw out the Magna Carta and the US Constitution and the UN Charter and start over, then maybe we can talk.

You simply can't point to the ruins of the Tower of Babel and say "Let's rebuild it. This time we'll put a Starbucks in the lobby."

You need realize the folly of your ways and never ever do it again.

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 3:47 PM  

What the hell is wrong with the Magna Carta?

Anonymous Josh September 23, 2014 3:50 PM  

Christ came at the high point of human civilization. It is was all downhill ever since.

If you truly believe that, you cannot hold to your view of throne and altar and still be logically consistent.

I would put the high point of human civilization at the Edwardian era.

Anonymous same shit different day September 23, 2014 3:55 PM  

would you bang the Pope in 1356... or Pope of 2014? whattabout the black tranny gay Pope of 2025?

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 3:57 PM  

What the hell is wrong with the Magna Carta?

Nothing, if you're ok with "moral mediocrity, paralyzing man's noblest impulses".

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 4:09 PM  

'Nothing, if you're ok with "moral mediocrity, paralyzing man's noblest impulses".'

What about the laws and rights in the OT?

Anonymous Anonymous September 23, 2014 4:24 PM  

But in the NT, most discussions about immigration center on the themes of compassion and mercy, which, by most interpretations, indicates that we should implement very liberal policies immigration.

Only because those interpreters are interpreting through the light of their leftist ideology. There's no logical reason why we can't feed the hungry and clothe the naked, not to mention preach the gospel to them, in their own countries. We have planes, for cripes' sake; it's bizarre that we have people acting like you can't be Christian across a border. That's what missionaries are for. If you feel called to minister to them, go to them.

As for those who are already here illegally, we have to balance the virtues of justice and mercy. If you meet a starving alien, by all means feed him -- and offer him (and his family, if they're here too) a ride to the immigration office, where he can turn himself in, pay for his crime, and be deported. That would satisfy both mercy and justice. You don't get to hire him, which satisfies neither.

For a Christian to receive forgiveness for a sin, he must repent, which means both being sorry for the sin and resolving not to do it again (even if he fails). Applying that to the illegal alien, if he wants to be forgiven for that crime and given aid, he can't just be sad about it; he has to stop being an illegal alien. Otherwise he's asking for forgiveness without repentance (amnesty).

Blogger Subversive Saint September 23, 2014 4:26 PM  

"Sooner or later, the end will come. Every society ever known to Man has come to an end and ours will not be an exception. But if it ends in our time, let us be found with wounds in the front of our bodies and broken, bloody swords in hand. And if it ends in our children's or grandchildren's times, let them be able to look to us, as we look to Solzhenitsyn, and know that we prepared them for the battles they must fight."

That a clarion call as clear as the shofar on the walls of Jerusalem.

WOW

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 4:27 PM  

Just as we hold our Christian treasure in our earthen vessels, we abide in the larger vessels of human nations, governments and civilizations, such as they may be.

Paul, when facing agents of Rome did not hesitate to appeal to the laws of their state and civilization to preserve his life and liberty in furtherance of his mission from God.

One common thread of early Gnostic cults attempting to infiltrate and dilute The Church of Christ was a heretical dualism, separating all spiritual matters of the mind, soul, and spirit from earthly, fleshly human existence.

They cannot be separated any more than the human and divine natures of Christ Jesus, or God the Father from The Son or the Holy Spirit. (for us Orthodox Christians anyway, I know there is some variance in understanding regarding this among the ilk).

Both Origen and Augustine (IIRC) struggled with this and expressed as much in writings used in contradiction by many since to justify and promote the very errors they sought to escape.

Anonymous Noah B. September 23, 2014 4:27 PM  

Nothing, if you're ok with "moral mediocrity, paralyzing man's noblest impulses".

Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 4:28 PM  

"What the hell is wrong with the Magna Carta?"

It's not included in the 1611 KJV? ;-)

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 4:32 PM  

What about the laws and rights in the OT?

What about 'em?

Anonymous nomad September 23, 2014 4:35 PM  

"My book The Case of the Barefoot Socrates: Academic Myth-Making and the Jewish Transformation of Western Culture shows in part what happened. The West was transformed."

This book should definitely be a part of Castalia House.

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 4:39 PM  

"What about 'em?"

Do they stifle the noble impulse?

Blogger James Dixon September 23, 2014 4:50 PM  

> ...and the UN Charter and start over...

WTF does the UN Charter have to do with Western Civilization?

As for the US Constitution, there's not much wrong with it. It's about as good as failed men will get. But it only works for a moral and religious people, which we as a whole no longer are.

Anonymous Porky September 23, 2014 4:59 PM  

Do they stifle the noble impulse?

You'll have to ask somebody who is subject to them.

Blogger Simon Jester September 23, 2014 5:04 PM  

>>>I accept that the fundamental orientation of morality is the main thing, and differences of opinion on the war in Vietnam are all moot now.

I would probably agree with you, and it's not just the Vietnam War, I would bet.

I actually think the Vietnam War is incredibly instructive ... there is probably no better example of a protracted local struggle being the front for an ideological war being fought between global players. Err, at least until Iraq. And Syria. And Israel. And Yemen. But you get my drift.

Anonymous DrTorch September 23, 2014 5:13 PM  

I must applaud your attempt to disqualify the great commission. It sounds so reasonable. Obviously you know not the joy of introducing a sinner to Christ, if you did, you'd easily see how shallow and risible is your criticism

And I point out that you have made an idol of evangelism.

Romans 12:3 warns of not thinking too highly of oneself. If one of your gifts is evangelism, then you are blessed, yet your arrogance towards others who have different gifts is unbecoming and disturbing.

The efficacy and grace of Christ can be seen in many ways, including many of the achievements seen in Western Civilization, because of and in spite of the sparse and thin reverence it has given Him.

Your faith is small if you limit God's power to saving the souls of the elect.

Anonymous Sarcophilus September 23, 2014 5:15 PM  

And Justin Raimondo notes about the collapse, part I.

@Beau. St. Francis said "Preach ALWAYS, use words when necessary".

When your jacket is covered in the snot and tears of broken men seeking release from decades of shame, then perhaps you'll understand the true efficacy of Christ.

When your life is shining like a city on a hill, it cannot be missed. But the same is true if the light is flickering, fading, or nonexistent.

There is no sense of sin, no "sense of shame", so the first thing is to show the necessity of a savior. Else they can accept Jesus (as some abstraction that pays off spiritual debts) but not the Gospel. Preach Jesus to a Gay "married" couple - do you bother bringing up the obvious? And do you do it in charity and mercy or call the Westboro Baptists? When evangelists are obnoxious, people start thinking Jesus is the same. Like it or not, Jesus followers' present the image of Jesus to others, so every failing causes scandal against our Lord.

The broken are the easy pickings as they know they need to be fixed.

The far more subtle problem is the equivalent of the Roman Pantheon in Jesus. We have the health and wealth Gospel. We have the social justice Gospel. We have the slaughter all the muslims Gospel. The feminized churches. And more. There is a "Jesus" corresponding to most if not all gods in the Pantheon. Even the gods representing the virtues, which are a lesser substitute for the true one.

Most people today consider themselves "christians", but fail to show it in their acts, and it is often subtle. They don't show big sins, but many little bits of failings. Not doing something with proper diligence. Showing favoritism. Supporting evil, either by endorsing it, or supporting a worse evil to combat it (e.g. torture v.s. terrorism). Or simply failing to say "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" when that would be best. Excuses replacing repentance.

I pray you great success in leading people to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. But I also pray that they stay in the fold instead of falling into one of these fakes in the pantheon.

"We battle not against flesh and blood...". Our true and final enemy is the Devil himself. He may not be literally possessing the SJWs, or ISIS, or other enemies, but they are his possessions. And we need to steal them back as far as it is possible. And the Devil has no rules but we do. The Devil laughs most when he owns the players on both the left and right sides of the field, all claiming they are fighting on God's side.

Anonymous Anonymous September 23, 2014 5:24 PM  

As to the nice church ladies, there has to be a chick-talk way of making them understand that kindness to refugees = corresponding cruelty to native people.

You can't make it about the native people; that won't work with the nice church ladies I know at all. You have to present it as harmful to the very "refugees" they're trying to help. Go on about the evil Godless corporations, luring them here with promises of a good life, tearing them away from their families, paying them barely enough to survive while squeezing them for more and more profits. Talk about how their peaceful, closer-to-the-earth culture is corrupted by American licentiousness and criminality. Point out how siphoning off the best and brightest of other countries (to pad our own wallets) consigns those they leave behind to continued poverty.

It's mostly crap, but there's enough truth in it that you won't actually be lying, and it has a chance of reaching them in a way that, "Think of what you're doing to your neighbor right next door," won't.

Blogger W.LindsayWheeler September 23, 2014 5:26 PM  

Vox asked for men to stand up and be heard. Well, after work today, I attended the open house for the Center for Diversity and Innovation at Kellogg Community College. It is being funded by grants from the Kellogg Foundation here in Battle Creek, MI.

I was able to comment after the main speaker and I said, you are rebuilding the Tower of Babel and what you are pushing here is Cultural Marxism. Out of fifty people there, one, another Marine, came by to shake my hand and told me, I said some interesting stuff.

At Least, fifty people received the word on what they are doing.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 23, 2014 5:46 PM  

“For Christ's sake - this speech is an indictment of the West, not an appeal to defend it.”



Thread winner, folks!


“But the blindness of superiority continues in spite of all and upholds the belief that the vast regions everywhere on our planet should develop and mature to the level of present day Western systems, which in theory are the best and in practice the most attractive. There is this belief that all those other worlds are only being temporarily prevented (by wicked governments or by heavy crises or by their own barbarity and incomprehension) from taking the way of Western pluralistic democracy and from adopting the Western way of life. Countries are judged on the merit of their progress in this direction…Relations with the former colonial world now have turned into their opposite and the Western world often goes to extremes of subservience, but it is difficult yet to estimate the total size of the bill which former colonial countries will present to the West and it is difficult to predict whether the surrender not only of its last colonies, but of everything it owns, will be sufficient for the West to foot the bill.”

Translation…Hey, we Europeans, who jackbooted those countries we unilaterally deemed “inferior” in the name of western progress, are actually not surprised that their eventual independence (which was short-sighted on their part) have caused a host of wretched internal problems, which was anticipated due to their utter failure to properly embrace those values we had attempted to instill in them, despite us destroying their infrastructure and debasing their cultural practices (and who can forget lining our own pockets with their mineral and human resources at their expense) in the process. These nations, spectacularly inferior in all aspects of life, ought to submit to the tenets of Christendom, lest God unleash his fury on their immoral, sinful societal behaviors.


“European colonization generally functioned on an administrative level. There were economic interests in the country, and political administrators and military troops managed the native populations in those countries to the extent that the financial interests were served. Attempts to truly colonize a land by sending large numbers of people there to settle and take over the land only happened in a few instances.”

This paragraph is the essence of revisionist history. Perhaps a southern textbook company gain hire your services and you can write eloquent prose about how slavery, for example, actually benefited the Negroes.


“The bill that they want to hand us for taking political control of their countries for a couple generations before handing power back to them? They will settle our countries and take the land from beneath our feet.”



Massa, we is sorry. massa, for the error of our ways. We’s not know how to properly govern ourselves and we beg for you’s to teach us how speak English and act civilized and be’s content with serving the Lord, our Savior, and ensure the survivals of western civilization. Yes, sir, massa.


“people conquer (or attempt to conquer) other people primarily because they can and because population pressures and related factors make territorial expansion an attractive prospect, not because of a "defective worldview”."


The “defective worldview” from the perspective of Europeans was that Native Americans and Western Africans lacked their sophistication. Their religion was heathen, their social practices barbaric. Native Americans and Western Africans was a foul stench in God’s nostrils. The only manner for Europeans to remove that malodorous odor? Christianize and civilize them; if they refused, they would be killed in the name of the Lord.


“Very inspiring, Vox.”



Indeed, for the banksters like yourself counting their blood money.


“Once you correctly understand mass immigration as genocide, you shouldn't have any difficulty finding biblical injunctions against it.”



Would that apply to the Europeans who colonized and immigrated to the Americas?

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 5:55 PM  

"Would that apply to the Europeans who colonized and immigrated to the Americas?"

Yes, and we should learn from our history and not subject ourselves to the same fate, although I'm not so sure the USA is not destined to fulfill some kind of suicidal death wish.

Glad you recognize mass immigration is a prelude to war and genocidal for those on the losing side. I think your case may not be convincing of the argument you had in mind.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 5:59 PM  

"...you can write eloquent prose about how slavery, for example, actually benefited the Negroes."

How bout most of the descendants of those Negroes are better off here in the current good ole' USA than if their ancestor had not been here as slaves and were instead still inhabitants of present day sub-Saharan African.

Put that in your self righteous white guilt pipe and smoke it.

Anonymous Anonymous September 23, 2014 6:01 PM  

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."


Yes.

Our duty is to speak the truth. To get in the face of the evil ones (of which you write, not the co-opted timid souls--I am thinking Eric Holder here) and yell the truth in their putrid faces with righteous anger and fierce, unyielding, deadly vigor.

Never back down, never give up. Look for opportunities to get in their corrupt, cowardly faces and ...

enjoy it.

There is a deep peace in fidelity to God with whom we expect Truth and are expect to be truthful.

First things...this is their time.




Anonymous qc September 23, 2014 6:04 PM  

"How bout most of the descendants of those Negroes are better off here in the current good ole' USA than if their ancestor had not been here as slaves and were instead still inhabitants of present day sub-Saharan African."

And about how they keep coming to the US.

Anonymous CunningDove September 23, 2014 6:05 PM  

FALPhil,
The problem I run into in the discussions is that a large percentage of Christians, especially those of a dispensationalist mind, seem to discount any argument based on the OT.


The best approach to this attitude I have used is pointing out that it is not very smart to claim to serve the God of the Bible, but only read part of what is written for us to learn about Him. I compare that to someone that claims that they are a worshiper of Zeus or Athena, but who does not read any of the ancient Greek texts about them. They only go on what they can learn about the Greek gods from the plays or stories where they are mentioned.

If one wants to claim that they are Christians but do not understand that the God of Jesus is the God of Abraham, Moses & Daniel, then they are missing an important part of their faith.

It has worked in the past, but like many things it is not a 100% guarantee. However, it may help you in your conversations.

Anonymous PA September 23, 2014 6:08 PM  

"Would that apply to the Europeans who colonized and immigrated to the Americas?"

Do you, or do you not, support the ongoing genocide of European man?

Blogger Whiskey September 23, 2014 6:09 PM  

I have NEVER agreed more with every single word you wrote Vox.

I can not add more except that this was beautifully written and should stand as a clarion call to action.

There is no hiding. Better to die on your feet than die on your knees.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 6:12 PM  

"There is no hiding. Better to die on your feet than die on your knees."

Some seem to interpret it as abandon hope, bend over and ?!??!?(do what exactly?)....

Ole' Alex writes tomes provoking exegesis usually reseverd for scripture...

Anonymous Cash September 23, 2014 6:12 PM  

"Would that apply to the Europeans who colonized and immigrated to the Americas?"

Thread loser folks.
Way to prove your opponent's point.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 23, 2014 6:13 PM  

"And about how they keep coming to the US."

We're magnets of oppression....

Blogger Whiskey September 23, 2014 6:24 PM  

Let me add for those debased Volk Marxists peddling post-Christian morality, the West did NOT get rich off imperialism. The two biggest and longest lasting Imperial powers were Spain and Portugal. One can easily travel to modern Portugal today and see that there is almost no legacy of wealth at all from Portugal's colonies which started in the 1450s. Spain is hardly any better.

Some of the richest European nations: Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, had no or very little colonial possessions. England got rich not off Jamaican rum and sugar but from embracing at the first the Steam Engine and modern industrial age.

Europe got rich first because it industrialized first. It shrugged off mass servile labor (to be fair for sometimes horrific factory labor) and embraced the machine age. This did not happen just by accident or "racism" or any other explanation save that European society faced punishment (their neighbors would absorb them such as the Duchy of Burgundy) for failing to produce wealth AND Defense; and was flexible enough to embrace social change driven by technology without breaking society completely. England industrialized rapidly, but still had an aristocracy, a limited monarchy, etc. along with telegraphs and railways and newspapers and technocracy.

Some nations tried to emulate 19th Century European industrialization and its wealth and power: Russia, China, and Japan. Only Japan did so fairly well, and even then its samurai inheritance got in the way; its military forces lacked strategic depth, depended on surprise and was sure they could always get it, and lacked a supply, engineering, and support force deep enough to withstand losses. Russia and China could not even accomplish THAT.

Indeed Western Wealth and Power in fact predated the Industrial Revolution. Bruges was considered one of the richest cities in the world by the 1200's, off the wool trade which then was already semi-mechanized off water and wind power. You can see the legacy of riches by the magnificent cathedrals in Bruges, all over France, England, Germany, northern Italy, all dating from the Gothic period and before even the Renaissance much less industrial age.

Money and power don't come from "Original Sin" (one of the more noxious doctrines of Christianity picked up by the idiot Marxist Gnostic Christian heretics). It came in Egypt from a massive agricultural and labor surplus, from Greece and Rome in mustering small olive farmers into military dominance via shock battle, from Medieval Europe in the wool trade and mold board plow and mounted knight with stirrups, and from the Industrial Age by the Steam Engine and gunpowder.

Consider this: China invented gunpowder but having vast peasant armies did nothing with it. Europeans did more because their society allowed that flexibility whereas other societies did not. That flexibility created the wealth that allowed imperialism, which most of the time was a net loss for European nations other than draining off young men who would otherwise be involved in Revolution.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 23, 2014 7:23 PM  

“Glad you recognize mass immigration is a prelude to war and genocidal for those on the losing side. I think your case may not be convincing of the argument you had in mind.”

YOU made this absurd pronouncement.


“How bout most of the descendants of those Negroes are better off here in the current good ole' USA than if their ancestor had not been here as slaves and were instead still inhabitants of present day sub-Saharan African.”

How about Negroes have been left alone to live their own live and create their own society without having been subjected to the “white man’s burden”? Because progress.



“Do you, or do you not, support the ongoing genocide of European man?”



There is no such thing. Europeans are procreating, perhaps not at the levels as one would prefer. Talk to Troy Francis as to the factors why this phenomenon is occurring.


“Let me add for those debased Volk Marxists peddling post-Christian morality, the West did NOT get rich off imperialism.”

It is neck and neck who is most historically inept, Whiskey or Nate. Why on earth would European nations engage in empire building if there was NOT wealth to be seized at the expense of “lesser peoples”?

France doubled its overseas possessions between 1815 and 1870 despite being far behind the industrial powers of Great Britain and Germany; Germany, to counter growing British naval power in the late 1800’s, established themselves commercially in West Africa, East Africa, and the Samoan Islands. Lest you forget that it was Otto Von Bismarck who helped to organize the Congo Conference in 1884-1885 to regulate European colonization and trade in Africa—without the consent of their peoples. Cotton, silk, rubber, vegetable oils, and rare minerals were to be had!

Of the annual investment of British capital in a four year span (1909-1913), almost 40% went into their colonial possessions. The vast underdeveloped realm offered in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia offered unprecedented financial opportunities.


“Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, had no or very little colonial possessions. England got rich not off Jamaican rum and sugar but from embracing at the first the Steam Engine and modern industrial age.”


You listed several European countries who, indeed, had little interest in the occupation and maintenance of overseas territory. Except Germany, as noted above, was intimately involved in imperialism.


“England got rich not off Jamaican rum and sugar but from embracing at the first the Steam Engine and modern industrial age.”

And what fueled their industrial prowess? In general, raw materials from their colonial possessions.


“Europe got rich first…raining off young men who would otherwise be involved in Revolution.”




Thanks for the summary, which was completely irrelevant to the main point I presented.

Anonymous Beau September 23, 2014 7:48 PM  

"We battle not against flesh and blood...". Our true and final enemy is the Devil himself.

@ Sarcophilus

What subtle pressures do you think he exerts on Christians to reject their patrimony? Why is living a moral life praiseworthy as long as one remains silent so as not to offend? Why does one default to evangelists are obnoxious? Whence come these promptings and pressures? Not from the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said he would make us fishers of men. Shouldn't we desire to be and do what he told us?

Every evangelist I've ever met, be they electrical or mechanical engineers, stutterers, grandmothers, colonels or privates in the armed forces, plumbers, mechanics, jacks-of-all-trades, ex-gangsters or children all share two traits in common a) they identify themselves as sinners saved from sin by Jesus and b) they made a decision to personally present the gospel to another human being.

And yes, the church needs shepherds to grow saints, but before growth she needs her sons as evangelists. Open your mouth in the grace you've been given. Take at least the low hanging fruit.

Anonymous cheddarman September 23, 2014 8:32 PM  

And what fueled their industrial prowess? In general, raw materials from their colonial possessions.- Yankee Imperialist

Yankee imperialist, the Industrial revolution in Brittan was powered by coal from Brittan and Wales. Burning coal allowed the europeans and americans to substitute chemical energy for human or animal energy, and allowed them to make copious amounts of iron and steel as raw materials for making manufactured goods.

Anonymous Beau September 23, 2014 9:26 PM  

OT & FYI

We're taking prayer requests this evening on the A cover update thread of One Bright Star to Guide Them.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 23, 2014 9:37 PM  

Cheddarman, yes, you correctly reference the First Industrial Revolution. Congratulations, have some Parmesan and Chianti.

While economic growth was unparalleled at that time, the standard of living did grow exponentially until the late 1800's, when the Second Industrial Revolution was in full swing. This revolution was fueled by technological wizardry, which required...wait for it...raw materials like petroleum, rubber, sugar, and cotton, found in bountiful supplies in...wait for it...Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. And, assuredly, new markets were needed by European (and the United States) countries to sell their excess wares.

Anonymous PA September 23, 2014 9:48 PM  

There is no such thing. [White genocide]

Yes there is and only an idiot would reflect on it and still say believe that it isn't real.

Destruction of habitat (immigration), coordinated demoralization (political correctness), and genetic obliteration (integration) are methods deliberately used to accomplish a full or partial physical destruction of the White racial group, and only the White racial group.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 23, 2014 11:19 PM  

Two can play your game, PA, acolyte of Titus Didius Tacitus.

Destruction of habitat (imperialism), coordinated demoralization (the perversion of Christianity**), and genetic obliteration (Western Civilization) are methods willfully and purposely put forth, with the undeniable intent to eradicate a particular group within the human race, especially those people labeled as "inferior" and/or judged capriciously as "evil" by an allegedly civilized group.

**By this phenomenon, I refer to those individuals who champion this religion by way of a fundamentalist crusade similar to the Islamic jihad. This crusade is decidedly anti-Christian in its form and implementation.

Anonymous PA September 23, 2014 11:34 PM  

Whatever. Do you, or do you not, support the ongoing genocide of the European man?

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 23, 2014 11:51 PM  

No, whatever. 'Tis true, using your own metric.

Besides, I support all of humanity. The European man and woman have the liberty to procreate, like every other human being regardless of race, color, creed, or religion. So long as they willingly choose to produce offspring, they will not become extinct.

Do you support socialist policies like Russia to financially compensation their native men and women to have babies?

Moreover, there is no official policy designed to systematically murder the European man or woman. It is a fallacy of epic proportions.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli September 24, 2014 12:27 AM  

Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

- Jeremiah 48:10

Anonymous dark September 24, 2014 2:45 AM  

There is no genocide plan in action against us just what seems like natural historical processes of boom/bust seen in everything from economics to birth rates and human migration which hopefuly we will check in time remember this is all very recent it can change just as fast.
Either way we won't be killed off or disapear no ones holding a gun to the billion and a bit whites to fuck blacks Arabs or asians and the majority don't our population in europe will drop a bit then likely bounce back.
it's not the first or last time in history

Anonymous Porky September 24, 2014 8:31 AM  

As for the US Constitution, there's not much wrong with it. It's about as good as failed men will get. But it only works for a moral and religious people, which we as a whole no longer are.

As good as it gets?

Not a single mention of the God who established their nation, and you say it's the best that a religious people can do?

You've been drinking Sean Hannity's Koolaid, James.

Anonymous cheddarman September 24, 2014 9:20 AM  

Moreover, there is no official policy designed to systematically murder the European man or woman. It is a fallacy of epic proportions. - Yankee Imperialist Social Justice Warrior

Affirmative action makes me a 2nd class citizen in my own country, and puts africans and latins regardless of where they were born first in line for jobs. This punishes me for crimes I did not commit unless you insist I am guilty of the crime of being white, and is selective pressure against whites for economic and reproductive fitness.


raw materials like petroleum, rubber, sugar, and cotton, found in bountiful supplies in...wait for it...Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. - Yankee Imperialist Social Justice Warrior


most energy was derived from coal for electricity production, fueling industrial processes, and transportation, oil did not become a high demand product until mass production of the automobile

petroleum - the petroleum boom started in 1901 in Texas early supplies of petroleum came mainly from the U.S., Texas, Pennsylvania and California. Europe had Romania and other oil fields in eastern europe and Russia. Yes, a lot of oil came from the 3rd world, but most of that was after those countries became independent of colonial rule

sugar - I have a Ph.D. in food science. Please enlighten me, what did sugar have to do with the industrial revolution, besides sweetening coffee, tea and baked goods that were luxury items?

Cotton - so, we just held people at bayonet point in the southern U.S. and Egypt, and told them to pick cotton? we did not offer anything in trade?


Anonymous cheddarman September 24, 2014 9:27 AM  

It is neck and neck who is most historically inept, Whiskey or Nate. Why on earth would European nations engage in empire building if there was NOT wealth to be seized at the expense of “lesser peoples”? - Yankee Imperialist Social Justice Warrior

The Europeans gave up Empire because it was too damn expensive. It enriched the 0.1% and bled the working classes. It was cheaper to make stuff and trade it for the stuff they needed than to extract the wealth through empire.


Anonymous Veritas September 24, 2014 9:28 AM  

W.LindsayWheeler
"Western Civilization was Christian until the Enlightenment. The Protestants, Judaized Christians, helped kill Christendom of Throne and Altar."

Would you elaborate on this? I am genuinely interested. Do you mean the Jews found it convenient to have another schism within Christianity, regardless of the nature of it, in order to undermine the strength of those nations (divide and conquer)? Or are you speaking of Protestantism being judaized theologically? I don't doubt the truth of the former, but if you mean the latter I would like to hear more.

Theologically, I don't see any elements of Judaism in historical Protestantism (the modern churchian version is heavily judaised, i.e, destroyed, though for the most part). Historically, you have men like Luther (author of the Jews and their lies) and Calvin being quite opposed to Judaism. I see many "jewish" (in the sense of the Old Covenant system) elements in the Catholic Mass (continual sacrifices on the altar via transubstantiation, the priestly class, and so on), but not so much in Protestantism.

Blogger James Dixon September 24, 2014 9:48 AM  

> Not a single mention of the God who established their nation, and you say it's the best that a religious people can do?

The blueprints for our house don't mention God either, Porky. There's no reason the blueprint for a functional government should need to. It's taken as a given.

Blogger FALPhil September 24, 2014 9:51 AM  

cheddarman wrote:
Cotton - so, we just held people at bayonet point in the southern U.S. and Egypt, and told them to pick cotton? we did not offer anything in trade?

Yeah, I am pretty sure there were few or no bayonets in the Southern US utilized for agriculture. There didn't have to be. There were far easier and less destructive methods of ensuring compliance. For the vast majority of slaves in America, the model was more akin to serfdom than, say, how the Nazis handled the Jews in the middle of the 20th century.

There is a case to be made that the upheaval we are witnessing now is the rise of neo-feudalism. Consider that we have a permanent political class which lives by a different set of rules that their constituents. That political class exists by the fruits of the constituents' labor. They also conduct sweetheart deals between themselves and also with the very rich, raising barriers for the vast majority of their constituents so that the constituents cannot participate in that layer of the economy. They implement policies which destroy the cohesiveness of society, and they continue to consolidate a means of brute force to enforce those policies. The progression is very similar to what went on between the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages, only it is happening faster.

Anonymous Porky September 24, 2014 9:54 AM  

There's no reason the blueprint for a functional government should need to. It's taken as a given.

All evidence to the contrary.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 24, 2014 11:36 AM  

@Porky: "As good as it gets? "

Which founding document of any existing government do you consider superior and why?

Anonymous Porky September 24, 2014 12:19 PM  

I don't.

Anonymous cheddarman September 24, 2014 12:20 PM  

"There is a case to be made that the upheaval we are witnessing now is the rise of neo-feudalism. Consider that we have a permanent political class which lives by a different set of rules that their constituents. That political class exists by the fruits of the constituents' labor." - FALPhil,

No disagreement here. I believe there will always be elites who rule over us. As a Christian, I believe one day Christ will rule over us with a rod of iron. Our elite classes used to support the societies from which they arose, and I agree with you that now they are profiting from their decline. This is why they will be deposed and we will have new elites.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 24, 2014 12:29 PM  

"I don't."

If there is not one better, then it is indeed "as good as it gets" with human government today.

Blogger Matamoros September 24, 2014 12:29 PM  

Veritas Would you elaborate on this? I am genuinely interested. Do you mean the Jews found it convenient to have another schism within Christianity...

Read "Jewish Influence in Christian Reform Movements" by Rabbi Louis Newman. He lays it bare.

Anonymous Porky September 24, 2014 12:38 PM  

If there is not one better, then it is indeed "as good as it gets" with human government today.

Today, perhaps.

I still consider Ex.18:19-23 to be a far superior plan to just about anything modern man has come up with.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 24, 2014 1:39 PM  

"I still consider Ex.18:19-23 to be a far superior plan to just about anything modern man has come up with."

We're close to agreement on this, the problem is it didn't even succeed or last very long for them for the same reasons it wouldn't now, even the modern state of Israel doesn't even come close.

I think it was a miracle it worked as well and long for even that small ancient population. There sure seems to be a critical mass when a population reaches a certain size, or it encounters other ones significantly larger. The state goes into governmental shock and abandons faith to do what it thinks it needs to do to survive. For the greater good of course.

Anonymous Veritas September 24, 2014 3:28 PM  

Matamoros,
Thank you for offering me a source, but I am not inclined to take anything a Rabbi has to say at face value, as they have a long history of being more than happy to lie to the goy when it suits their purposes. Our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ called them the synagogue of Satan for a reason.

As our Lord said in John 8:44, speaking to the forefathers of our modern Rabbis: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

If W.LindsayWheeler happens to read this I would still be interested in learning more of his views.

Anonymous Porky September 24, 2014 3:40 PM  

We're close to agreement on this, the problem is it didn't even succeed or last very long for them for the same reasons it wouldn't now, even the modern state of Israel doesn't even come close.

Ergo my interest in anarchy. I'm just can't get excited about investing in futile enterprises.

Anonymous Yankee Imperialist September 24, 2014 5:56 PM  

"Affirmative action makes me a 2nd class citizen in my own country, and puts africans and latins regardless of where they were born first in line for jobs.”


Only if those companies have in place that misguided policy.


“This punishes me for crimes I did not commit unless you insist I am guilty of the crime of being white, and is selective pressure against whites for economic and reproductive fitness.”



(Tsk, tsk, tsk) Playing the victim card will not garner sympathy. I’m merely pointing to the historical record that SOME human beings, in this case who happen to be white, had created policies which led to the extinction or near extinction of other human beings.


“Most energy was derived from coal for electricity production, fueling industrial processes, and transportation, oil did not become a high demand product until mass production of the automobile.”

Congratulations on providing information I already knew.


“Yes, a lot of oil came from the 3rd world, but most of that was after those countries became independent of colonial rule.”

Great Britain formed oil companies in its Middle Eastern colonies by the early 1900’s. In 1925, a deal was made in which it be exclusively responsible for developing Iraqi oil reserves. In the early 1940’s, Iraq, with its dalliance of an anti-British government, was taken to the woodshed by their colonial masters. A new regime was installed, and an agreement was brokered in which Great Britain would continue to supervise the production and distribution of petroleum, thus remaining an integral part of its oil infrastructure.


“Please enlighten me, what did sugar have to do with the industrial revolution, besides sweetening coffee, tea and baked goods that were luxury items?”

For a man with allegedly a doctoral degree, you are ignorant of an important commodity. I suggest you read this primer.

http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/exhibits-caseonlinesugar.php


“so, we just held people at bayonet point in the southern U.S. and Egypt, and told them to pick cotton? we did not offer anything in trade?”



Recall that southrons trumpeted “king on cotton” leading up to the Civil War. The Confederacy thought Great Britain would rally to their cause since it was a major purchaser of this crop. The British had declared its neutrality; as a result, the Confederacy purposely created a cotton shortage to entice the British to change their minds. Great Britain, however, had stores of surplus cotton and turned to their colonies (Egypt and India) to ramp up production.


“The Europeans gave up Empire because it was too damn expensive.”

Indeed, it wasn’t until the 1960’s (!) before the Europeans pulled out of the colonial game.


"...as they have a long history of being more than happy to lie to the goy when it suits their purposes. Our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ called them the synagogue of Satan for a reason."

Some Christians are equally adept at lying for their religion to serve their own ends.

Anonymous Rome or Die September 24, 2014 10:53 PM  

Protestants worship the Bible
The Bible was written by Jews
Protestants are heretical scum

Anonymous A. Nonymous September 29, 2014 2:27 AM  

Some Christians are equally adept at lying for their religion to serve their own ends.

If only that were true...

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