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Friday, October 24, 2014

#Gamergate: an open letter

Joel Johnson
Editorial Director
Gawker Media

Dear Mr. Johnson,

As a professional game reviewer, game developer, and game designer with 22 years of experience in the game industry who has worked closely with Intel in the past, I would like to request that you immediately ask Max Read to resign from Gawker Media for the blatant disregard he has shown for the gaming community as well as one of its most important corporate supporters. Mr. Read wrote:
  1. "So let's say it now: Intel is run by craven idiots. It employs pusillanimous morons. It lacks integrity."
  2. He dishonestly described GamerGate as "dishonest fascists" and "an ill-informed mob of alienated and resentful video game-playing teenagers and young men
  3. "He, and later I, made the tactical mistake of publicly treating Gamergate with the contempt and flippancy that it deserves."
Mr. Johnson, GamerGate does not consist of fascists. It is not an ill-informed mob. It is not limited to teenagers, to men, or to white people. It does not deserve to be treated with contempt and flippancy. GamerGate is a broad spectrum of the gaming community, including players and developers, and consists of men and women of all ages who wish nothing more than to simply continue to design, develop, and play the games that we wish to design, develop, and play without being attacked by professional political activists, corrupt game journalists, and publicity-seeking independent game developers.

And speaking as one who has worked with upper level executives at Intel, including Andy Grove, I can personally testify that Intel is most definitely not run by idiots.

Mr. Johnson, I think you will recognize that both the game and mainstream medias have exhibited considerable bias with regards to the issue of GamerGate and have failed to cover it in a manner that can be described as either fair or objective. While there has obviously been some problematic behavior on both sides, I do not see how it can possibly be in Gawker Media's interest to continue attacking both its readers and its advertisers alike. I hope you will see fit to remove those employees and contributors who have been inclined to do so, beginning with Mr. Read.

Thank you,
Vox Day

In other #GamerGate-related news, Castalia House has posted its statement on the matter which features insightful quotes from Popehat's Clark as well as Castalia author William S. Lind. And Teepublic has a #GamerGate shirt out that is very retro and is all but guaranteed to set the usual suspects to frothing at the mouth on sight.

And Nero has another great article on #GamerGate, entitled: "Incredibly, GamerGate Is Winning - But You Won't Read that Anywhere In the Terrified Liberal Media":
Perhaps it won't surprise you to learn that microchip manufacturers and car companies are pretty sympathetic to the concerns of male consumers. But some of the things said to me--all, sadly, on condition of anonymity--have been nothing short of remarkable.

There's the Intel vice president who told me via email that GamerGate was "doing great work" and that he was "sick of slander and self-loathing from the press". He was talking about male journalists who do misandrist feminists' work for them.
"I am pressing that team, it's not mine, but I am exerting influence when I can, to stop spending money with people who hate themselves and hate our clients," he added by phone later.

Then consider the product manager, who was happy to be identified as "senior management at a German car manufacturer", who told me that, "the violence against women is unacceptable and we cannot support it, but we will not financially support people who insult our customers either". The manager told me: "We would prefer not to make headlines like Intel. But you should expect to see strategic changes in how we spend in coming years. It is very much an open question inside the company and we are watching closely."

Finally, the executive at a household name video game developer who said: "Opinion is sharply divided within the company. But that's remarkable in itself, given how totally the media has slammed and lied about gamers. We're split straight down the middle. One thing I can tell you, though, is that when claims about gamers being woman-hating or abusive start to unravel, because journalists didn't check them properly before running these 'bleeding heart' editorials, it's very difficult to win people back from there. So God help Kotaku and Polygon if any of these women are shown to be making stuff up."
How fortunate for the anti-GamerGate crowd that women (and, presumably, men wearing dresses) never lie about rapedeath threats....

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115 Comments:

Blogger Jew613 October 24, 2014 6:03 AM  

The shirt is great, but what does BMW stand for?

Anonymous Enlightenator October 24, 2014 6:13 AM  

Briana Wu?

Anonymous VD October 24, 2014 6:26 AM  

I don't know. He should have used LW1, LW2 and LWu, in my opinion.

Blogger Outlaw X October 24, 2014 6:35 AM  

This is the kind of crap they dish out, let's see how they take to someone using their own tactics against them. Being removed from their Job because of an opinion they expressed. SJW's have ruined or put a black mark many men in Government where I worked. My boss was sent to DC for a month to charm school for pissing off his secretary.

Blogger Outlaw X October 24, 2014 6:42 AM  

Oh, forgot. The director of the outfit that worked in the same building was sent away to DC for a month for poking his secretary in the arm with his finger when she fell asleep in a staff conference. They call them filing a grievance in government and never knew a man to file one. I think the women keep them in their desk drawer..

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 24, 2014 6:44 AM  

How many times do I have to look at Felicia Day's almost-but-not-quite-attractive face today?

FFS stop retweeting the non-story, she wasn't doxxed, someone posted a link to her PR firm's address after she cashed in on the #GG hype with a faux-fear article - its called self promotion, it's how she makes her living.

These people pay $100 for her signature and still don't realise they are being taken for a ride...stoopidz

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 24, 2014 6:53 AM  

Take Note

SJWs are now moving on to one their favorite tactics.

Maim themselves and blame the opposition.

A local woman that I am vaguely acquainted with (she's a friend of an arm's length acquaintance), Blogged about GamerGate was doxxed and had her car windows broken out the next morning.

There is no doubt at all in my mind she doxxed herself and broke out her own car windows, She owns a $500.00 beater and shops un-ironically at Good Will. She's that kind of SJW.

But all of her friends are in a righteous flutter about the hen house. Enough so that some otherwise sensible women of my acquaintance have come down against these Gamer Gate People.

It's all about the feelings.

Sidebar: Does anyone know Felecia Day's actual address got leaked? If that was a fake doxxing, the word needs to be spread.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 24, 2014 6:54 AM  

@Shut up rabbit

Ah, question answered. Thank you

Blogger pdwalker October 24, 2014 7:30 AM  

I'm surprise that one of the high scores wasn't #whore

Anonymous dark October 24, 2014 7:35 AM  

Sad that the Dev crowd are merely split down the middle figured they would know better

Anonymous Difster October 24, 2014 7:46 AM  

Has any politician chimed in yet?

How long before #misogyny will be a required label on video game ratings?

Anonymous VD October 24, 2014 8:05 AM  

Sad that the Dev crowd are merely split down the middle figured they would know better

They're the ones just reacting to the media coverage who don't actually know anything about it. And I'll bet it's mostly the artists and the marketing types, not the programmers or designers.

Blogger Michael Maier October 24, 2014 8:11 AM  

They should have given Adam Baldwin a higher score.

And didn't BMW pull their ads?

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 24, 2014 8:19 AM  

Every second #gamergate tweet! I can't look at her goofy lopsided grin anymore - I'm off Twitter until Felicia Day's publicity stunt blows over...

Anonymous Michael Maier October 24, 2014 9:01 AM  

Isn't she a Booth Babe twit of a twat?

One must wonder if the dude that called her that (that the pussy Wil Wheaton got fired) wasn't right after all.

Seriously, if you took every female in the gaming development world and put them on one team, could they actually create a decent game start to finish on a current platform?

From all the screeching I would guess that's a "Hell No".

Anonymous Apollo October 24, 2014 9:10 AM  

Just saw this image over in the comments over at ROK that I though some here might appreciate. As opposed to the cis white (so presuumably evil) males representing anti GamerGate, we have a much more appropriately diverse crowd supporting GamerGate, including "Vox Day, Native American POC".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0s_cuDIQAAInWV.png

Red carded. As the image suggests, anti GG campaigners should, indeed, check their privilege.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 9:43 AM  

On The Laughing Stock Nature of GamerGaters...

1. It will be impossible to detach the misogynistic association with GamerGate simply because too many who have joined the GamerGate crusade are too happy to quickly expose their contempt for women in their comments on the GamerGate. You are your members

2. The espoused "Journalistic Ethics" purpose of GamerGate is exposed as a fraud given that little or no effort has been put into exposing unethical behavior by the gaming press, resulting is precious little to support the claim,

3. The expressed desire by some GamerGate thugs to "continue to design, develop, and play the games that we wish to design, develop, and play without being attacked by professional political activists" can't be achieved because they don't get to decide who engages in cultural criticism. Though they seem to want that right.

4. The world of thoughtful, mainstream people have effectively pulled apart the native underbelly of the GamerGate charade for millions of people to see the that the most vocal denizens of the gaming community just want to be left to wallow in their misogynistic bubble.

Anonymous Sensei October 24, 2014 9:45 AM  

More or less on topic:
I preordered Gibson's new book on Amazon today, and in the post-purchase stuff Amazon recommended Scalzi's Lock In to me. I was a bit surprised they dared to equate the two authors, but I'm sure Scalzi will profit from it if everyone is getting the same recommendation after purchasing the Gibson book. I'm going to see if there's a way to express my disapproval of this association, but I'm wondering, if all of us planning to buy Gibson's book did so, whether it might make more of an impact.

Anonymous VD October 24, 2014 9:50 AM  

I was talking to William S. Lind, whose book we are publishing later today, and he mentioned that #GamerGate had appeared in his local newspaper. His observation: "#GamerGate certainly is a form of 4GW; insurgents thrive on being denounced by the establishment."

Translation: they have no idea how to stop us and we will win in the end.

Anonymous VD October 24, 2014 9:53 AM  

On The Laughing Stock Nature of GamerGaters...

Let's see. Cultural Marxist troll says #GamerGate will lose. World-famous military strategist who correctly predicted rise of ISIS and the inevitable failure of the Iraqi government says #GamerGate victory is inevitable.

Odds, anyone?

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 9:58 AM  

"Odds, anyone?"

You can't lay odds on a game that has already been played.

Rational Human Beings 10, GamerGang 0.

Game over.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 24, 2014 9:58 AM  

On The Laughing Stock Nature of GamerGaters...

Hi Tad. Come for your daily butt hurt?

Blogger Ghost October 24, 2014 10:02 AM  

From the comments at the shirt: "shouldn't Zoe's score be 5?"

Blogger Ghost October 24, 2014 10:08 AM  

The game is over, yet MR is still playing it. Interesting.

Blogger Joshua Dyal October 24, 2014 10:12 AM  

The shirt is great, but what does BMW stand for?

I assumed it stood for Bayerische Motoren Werke, otherwise known as the car company BMW, who pulled their ads at Gawker.

Although that's an awfully high score for an awfully small return.

Blogger Pinakeli October 24, 2014 10:20 AM  

Jew613 October 24, 2014 6:03 AM

The shirt is great, but what does BMW stand for?


BMW, the auto maker. Notice the score is 328,528? These are two of the more popular models.

Anonymous Toby Temple October 24, 2014 10:25 AM  

MR. You're an idiot. Silence yourself for your own good.

Anonymous REG October 24, 2014 10:31 AM  

"You can't lay odds on a game that has already been played.

Rational Human Beings 10, GamerGang 0.

Game over."

Obama is on record for saying at least 34 times "If you want to keep your insurance, you can keep it." It was considered that he won- Who had to admit he lied in the end? The guy that wrote in the book "The population Bomb" said in the early seventies that 'By 1980, you won't be able to buy a hamburger; because the human population will have replaced the cattle." That idiot is still writing articles for your Liberal Buds; but, how many real people listen to him?
Nope- a few lies in the print media doesn't mean it's over. It ain't gonna be over until the media producers decide to restore integrity to their commentary and reviews. Or learn how to add instructions for making litter box liners out of their publications. For the record:
Not a gamer myself; but, I love watching a good fight against 'holier than thou' evangelists.

Blogger jimmy-jimbo October 24, 2014 10:44 AM  

I wonder whether this (gamergate) will be the proving ground to turn the mainstream media conservative. It is a long time coming. So-called Liberals have won the game so much recently. We lost almost every single issue. It comes down to the toys we treasure. Don't mess with our toys. It seems so trivial, yet such a pasttime is ripe for propaganda.

Can we take our sports? Can we take our food? Can we take our religion? Can we take our education? They were all attacked by the SJW. We have no where to hide especially in our mother's basement. They came for everyone. Now, they have to be confronted.

Anonymous FP October 24, 2014 10:44 AM  

"I can personally testify that Intel is most definitely not run by idiots."

Well, during the Pentium 4 days...


MR, regarding your #2 point there, you clearly don't read much about games and the industry. The commentary on collusion and corruption has been out there for years.

Anonymous Krul October 24, 2014 10:46 AM  

MR - 4. The world of thoughtful, mainstream people have effectively pulled apart the native underbelly of the GamerGate charade for millions of people to see the that the most vocal denizens of the gaming community just want to be left to wallow in their misogynistic bubble.

Of course they just want to be left alone, that's precisely what Vox et al have been saying this whole time (omitting the "mysogynistic" qualifier since it's irrelevant and that word is meaningless when used by a leftist anyway). This is their open position; there is not and has never been any "charade" to the contrary.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 10:55 AM  

Shut up rabbit - "How many times do I have to look at Felicia Day's almost-but-not-quite-attractive face today?"

THANK YOU!

You've articulated something that's been bothering me ever since I saw Dr Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.

Felicia Day's face inhabits the uncanny valley between comely and crone. Unfortunately the remorseless march of time is pushing her over the border to croneville.

She seems like a sweet enough girl, SJW nonsense aside. Would bang if it was still 2009.

Anonymous OP October 24, 2014 11:02 AM  

Guys, I don't think that you understand the scope of SWJ's. They're not just attacking the more masculine games. I hang out at a Harvest Moon forum and there was thread posted which all but accused Natsume of racism because you couldn't change the skin tone of the protagonists even though this is Natsume's first foray into making (not just localizing) the games. Marvelous is localizing under XSeed now and it's only had the full customization of its characters for the past two games. that's it. Otherwise, like most japanese rpgs, you played a fixed main character, either a boy or girl. You were lucky if you got to change their outfits.

So, just throwing that out there. I mean, I understand wanting to have customizable skin tones and self-insertion, but outright whining and accusing Natsume of racism was out of line.

Anonymous Toby Temple October 24, 2014 11:02 AM  

Attention whoring much?

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 11:08 AM  

"they don't get to decide who engages in cultural criticism"

That one's always good for a LOL.

Nobody I've seen or read on the GG side has said they're against criticism of games.

By all means, people can criticise games all they like. It cuts both ways though. When you make a specious criticism, you can expect counter criticism.

But of course, when feminist and SJW say they want to be free to criticise, they mean they should be obeyed.

Typical "cultural criticism":

LWWhatever - "these games are full of damselling and misogyny and it really fuels the rape culture and war on women"

Typical gamer: "No, it doesn't. And isn't this just rehashed Jack Thompson moral entrepreneurship, but in hooped earrings?"

LWWhatever - "Wow. Just wow! Sexism! Misogyny! Hate crime!"

Anonymous Scooter October 24, 2014 11:09 AM  

So Pox is posting about Zoe Quinn now?

Anonymous JK October 24, 2014 11:11 AM  

Felicia Day, desperately seeking attention. Hungry for publicity. Starving to be noticed. It's pathetic click-bait, but none of it will stop the slow march of time.

Anonymous Krul October 24, 2014 11:13 AM  

jimmy-jimbo - It comes down to the toys we treasure. Don't mess with our toys. It seems so trivial

It is not trivial. The mere existence of these games is a fundamental and necessary component of our Western culture, and a large part of the reason for our culture's success. Computer games, being the application of advanced technology for the purpose of human enjoyment, are the modern expression of the greatest Classical values.

Consider this quote by the great Classicist Edith Hamilton in her influential 1930 book The Greek Way:

...while Egypt submitted and suffered and turned her face toward death, Greece resisted and rejoiced and turned full-face to life. For somewhere among those steep sone mountains, in little sheltered valleys where the great hills were ramparts to defend and men could have security for peace and happy living, something quite new came into the world; the joy of life found expression... The Greeks were the first people in the world to play, and they played on a great scale. All over Greece there were games, all sorts of games; athletic contests of every description: races - horse-, boat-, foot-, torch-races; contests in music, where one side outsung the other; in dancing - on greased skins sometimes to display a nice skill of foot and balance of body; games shere men leaped in and out of flying chariots; games so many one grows weary with the list of them. They are embodies in the statues familiar to all, the disc thrower, the charioteer, the wrestling boys, the dancing flue players. The great games... were so important, when one was held, a truce of God was proclaimed so that all Greece might come in safety without fear... If we had no other knowledge of what the Greeks were like, if nothing were left of Greek art and literature, the fact that they were in love with play and played magnificently would be proof enough of how they lived and how they looked at life. Wretched people, toiling people, do not play. Nothing like the Greek games is concievable in Egypt or Mesopotamia... "Solon, Solon, you Greeks are all children," said the Egyptian priest to the great Athenian...

The joy of life is written upon everything the Greeks left behind and they who leave it out of account fail to reckon with something that is of first importance in understanding how the Greek achievement came to pass in the world of antiquity.


Play implies and requires all the great values of Western civilization; the love of truth, of reality, of life, and of human achievement. This is why it is hated by the enemies of the West, and why it must be defended.

TL;DR - Games are SRS BSNS

Blogger Mekadave October 24, 2014 11:32 AM  

"Pox Vay"... LOL, Clampsy, is that you? Whichever troll you are, it's pretty hilarious to see that Vox and JCW are living rent-free in your head.

Anonymous Dick D. October 24, 2014 11:36 AM  

Still very surprised this arose out of the amazing discovery that gaming journalism is corrupt. There's a shocker for you. As such I never understood the energy behind it. I do, however, understand the white hot anger at unemployable 'intersectionality' majors w/ 200k in college debt conspiring to destroy all aesthetics in gaming by an astroturfing and moral posturing campaign.

Gamergate is already over. This will become more apparent over the upcoming months. GGrs won. The advertisers have learned and will be slowly leaving so as to not single themselves out.

Good luck on finding actual productive jobs to pay off those debnts, SJWs.

Anonymous darrenl October 24, 2014 11:51 AM  

You guys will love this one, especially you, Vox:

http://developers.kongregate.com/blog/a-natural-a-b-test-of-harassment

My rhetoric response to this:

Not only are these feminists in gaming making ridiculous conclusions on bad statistical analysis, they are also now minimizing the sexual harassment of men in the gaming industry.

This piece admits that men experience sexual harassment, but goes on to say that because women experience "more" (her words), that therefore it is tougher to be a women in gaming. Apparently, being a man and getting sexual harassment is easy. Why? Because vagina. No reason beyond that. Apparently, sexual harassment is to be minimized for men. The sexism displayed here is disgusting.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 11:52 AM  

Dick D - "Good luck on finding actual productive jobs to pay off those debnts, SJWs."

Starbucks is still hiring.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum October 24, 2014 11:54 AM  

I think I speak for normal people who don't play games everywhere when I say the following:

We do not give a damn about gamergate!

With isis rapping and pillaging their way across the Middle East, and setting their sights on Europe, Ebola in New York City, and trying to give a damn about saving the whales, I just can't bring myself to care about a corrupt journalist who is in actuality a member of the world's oldest profession.

Anonymous Student in Blue October 24, 2014 11:54 AM  

Still very surprised this arose out of the amazing discovery that gaming journalism is corrupt.

Do you still not realize how this thing started? You and I know it's been corrupt for a very long time. Everyone knows that.

Hell, we've even had loads of evidence for a very long time it's been corrupt.

Do you know what was different this time?

The overreaction by the other side which fanned this whole thing. That overreaction was loud enough that it woke up the happily complacent out of their stupor.

I mean, saying Gamergate "arose out of the amazing discovery that gaming journalism is corrupt" is like saying that World War 1 arose out of the amazing assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. While technically true, it vastly simplifies what has happened and paints a false picture of cause and effect.

Anonymous Aufhebend October 24, 2014 12:01 PM  

I realize Pox's link has been deleted, but the shameless plugin on r/KotakuInAction is nothing but hilarity. Looks like the concern trolling attempt didn't go down so well.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 12:02 PM  

How come GamerGangers talk about journalistic ethics, but never offer up the NUMEROUS examples of corruption they claim to be fighting against. Key question.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 12:06 PM  

Credo - I care about GamerGate. I care about a lot of things in different ways and to varying degrees.

Anonymous Student in Blue October 24, 2014 12:09 PM  

@Credo in Unum Deum
I think I speak for normal people who don't play games everywhere[...]

You think you speak for normal people, except for the people who don't play games who are still giving a damn about Gamergate because of the shameless lies being spread.

If you don't give a damn about it, that's okay. There's certainly no point in trumpeting about how much you don't care however - it just makes you look like you do care, in the end.

If instead you want to make a point that other things ought to be more important... make that point then.

With isis rapping[...]
*snort* Here, here's ISIS rapping.

[...]a corrupt journalist who is in actuality a member of the world's oldest profession.

Look, I get you don't care about it and probably haven't been paying attention, but that statement just proved you have no idea what's going on.

Just... just go put your head back down into the sand, if this is the extent of the informational legwork you're willing to do.

Anonymous Noah B. October 24, 2014 12:15 PM  

Zoe's score should be 5

Anonymous Bz October 24, 2014 12:19 PM  

I used to like Felicia Day, she was plucky and the Guild was pretty funny. But I don't enjoy being pissed on from a great height by a Hollywood celeb, even such a minor one. So take care, Felicia, but you're no longer a draw. Quite the opposite. (Probably no great loss to her; it seems she's 35 already so from the Hollywood viewpoint she's basically retired.)

"she wasn't doxxed, someone posted a link to her PR firm's address"

That, my friend ... is too funny. I'm sure she found herself huddled weeping in front of her smartphone, broadcasting the video of her horror. PR firm's number rolling at the bottom of the screen.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 12:20 PM  

MR - I've seen tons cited on 8chan and . You're not looking.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper October 24, 2014 12:27 PM  

If anyone asks about GamerGate I'm sending them to Castalia House with a "That is also what I think."

Blogger Joshua Dyal October 24, 2014 12:31 PM  

MR - I've seen tons cited on 8chan and . You're not looking.

I prefer Internet Aristocrat's vlogs personally. But yeah; it's easy to find, if you actually care to instead of simply trumpet that you don't know what's going on like that bleating idiot MR.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 12:40 PM  

Joshua Dyal - Yes IA is brilliant.

Thunderf00t has also made some quality videos countering Sarkeesian's rent-seeking feminist bullshit.

Anonymous VD October 24, 2014 1:07 PM  

How come GamerGangers talk about journalistic ethics, but never offer up the NUMEROUS examples of corruption they claim to be fighting against.

Because it's not necessary, moron. Everyone already knows about it. For example, Depression Quest, which started this all, has two journalists in the freaking CREDITS.

Anonymous Student in Blue October 24, 2014 1:23 PM  

Angry Joe, 2012 controversies

Here's one easy link that lists a lot of examples of corruption in just a couple of minutes. Not definitive of course, but I mean damn this was easy to find.

I find it depressing that people think this all started in 2014.

OpenID cailcorishev October 24, 2014 1:33 PM  

I care about GamerGate. I care about a lot of things in different ways and to varying degrees.

Ditto. I rarely play a computer game that doesn't require an 8-bit emulator, and I don't think I've bought a game since Zeus, which I picked up used. But I find GamerGate fascinating because I know the kind of people involved and I understand why it's going down the way it is.

Also, it's the closest thing I've seen in real life to the conversation Reardon has with the looters when he's starting to catch on.

Anonymous kfg October 24, 2014 1:35 PM  

"I prefer Internet Aristocrat's vlogs personally."

Sargon of Akkad is acting central clearing house for intelligence, unravelling and exposing the threads of the matrix.

Blogger Feather Blade October 24, 2014 2:14 PM  

accused Natsume of racism because you couldn't change the skin tone of the protagonists even though this is Natsume's first foray into making (not just localizing) the games.

Of course they did.

You need to ask the whiners why they hate the Japanese so much.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 24, 2014 2:20 PM  

I get it now - the anti-GG people (and cultural marxists in general) appeal to childish beliefs in fairness and equality (and unicorns farting rainbows) so their supporters *really do* believe in this shit - until they grow up that is. Then they realize what an f'king idiot they've been and either:
A. Double-down and exploit the next generation of naive fools for payola
B. Hide themselves in shame and don't get involved in anything anymore
C. Develop into mature human beings and try to make amends by bringing their children up in a reality based way

I'd say 80% go B with 10% each A and C.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 2:28 PM  

"For example, Depression Quest, which started this all, has two journalists in the freaking CREDITS."

This is the example you want to give of the huge problem that the GamerGang is so concerned about? This? Please tell me there is more that you can rattle off. Afterall, its such a huge problem.

And you are a writer, aren't you. Have you known or been an acquaintance of anyone who has ever reviewed your books? Ever???? Think about it.

Blogger Joshua Dyal October 24, 2014 2:44 PM  

Love how MR has totally ignored half a dozen posts telling him exactly where to find what he claims that he's looking for, and continues to bleat that nobody has provided it. Classic.

Blogger Joshua Dyal October 24, 2014 2:45 PM  

You need to ask the whiners why they hate the Japanese so much.

Japanese are honorary whites for purposes of SJWs. Kind of like how Zimmerman was a "white hispanic" the Japanese get to be "white Asians" or something.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 2:56 PM  

So I think it's safe to say that Sarkeesian et al can be termed the Reichstags from here on out.

Anonymous SirHamster October 24, 2014 2:57 PM  

The Castalia House links result in an HTTP 500 error.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 24, 2014 2:58 PM  

MR: "...because they don't get to decide who engages in cultural criticism. Though they seem to want that right."

Incorrect. Criticism is one thing, but actually changing those games into something unwanted is an entirely different matter. Nice of you to ignore the distinction.

As far as criticism goes, why do you seem to have a problem with GamerGaters criticizing the criticism? And back and forth, and so on and so on. It's criturtles all the way down.

To make the claim that GamerGaters can't do the same is purely hypocrisy.

Anonymous Earl October 24, 2014 2:58 PM  

Joshua Dyal, I see that a lot. You can post 20 articles on the reasons for your position, and people like MR will come along and argue with you and demand that you provide reasons for your position. I guess they want a personal handwritten letter, in cursive, in ink, sealed with wax and your family crest?

Anonymous WaterBoy October 24, 2014 3:00 PM  

SirHamster: "The Castalia House links result in an HTTP 500 error. "

Funny, I get this message:

Error establishing a database connection

Anonymous WaterBoy October 24, 2014 3:02 PM  

MR: "And you are a writer, aren't you. Have you known or been an acquaintance of anyone who has ever reviewed your books? Ever???? Think about it."

Yes, but how many of those reviewers actually helped him write the damn thing? Think about it.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 3:04 PM  

...Correction: Wu et al.

Anonymous tiredofitall October 24, 2014 3:04 PM  

"How come GamerGangers talk about journalistic ethics, but never offer up the NUMEROUS examples of corruption they claim to be fighting against. Key question." - MR

How about the fact that within 24 hours numerous gaming websites, gawker, kotaku, et al put out the same articles about gamers being "dead".

Now a counter-question, how come anti-GGers talk about death/rape threats, but never offer up any actual proof?

Anonymous Shut up PERVERSE rabbit October 24, 2014 3:06 PM  

PSA: Don't feed the trolls. People like MR are actively aroused sexually by the abuse they get on the internet which is why they do it in the first place. Replying is just rubbing its troll boner for it - don't!

Blogger ray October 24, 2014 3:07 PM  

This issue is important and your tactics are sound. Make sure the game-guys have the info they need -- especially non-p.c. cultural contexts -- about feminism etc. in order to make their OWN choices. The SJWs use zombies, but the Gamers, freed minds. Confront them with the REAL stakes. Speak the truth, offer the truth, then let the SJWs run their standard agit-prop, histrionics, coercions, etc., and climb their own hanging tree.

Some of these young men gradually will realize they can transition from being console heroes to real heroes (in the limited ways that such things are possible in these hours). Show them how and facilitate them.

This is a downstream wedge issue for removing malevolence from the wavelengths. It's upside is huge and later will spill over to related cultural contexts, all to the disempowerment and disinfluence of your enemies. Cheers.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 3:11 PM  

The customers and companies have spoken, MR/AESchool/Tad. Deal with it. There's nothing you nor a legion of Twitter backtivists can do about it now except hope that the reputation attached to your kind doesn't stick.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 3:16 PM  

"but actually changing those games into something unwanted is an entirely different matter. Nice of you to ignore the distinction."

You'll have to explain how the games are changed into something unwanted and also describe who is in charge of what is wanted.

There's a long history of criticizing the critics. But it's not known as "criticism". It's known as Whining.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 3:20 PM  

"How about the fact that within 24 hours numerous gaming websites, gawker, kotaku, et al put out the same articles about gamers being "dead".

Now a counter-question, how come anti-GGers talk about death/rape threats, but never offer up any actual proof?"

Actually, that's 2 counter questions. Your first one didn't answer my question. But that's ok, it was primarily rhetorical.

As for your second one, the tweets and the emails have been published for all to see and confirmed by institutions where the threat was said to aimed.

Anonymous Adam Erickson October 24, 2014 3:29 PM  

Thanks, Vox, for conforming to every negative streotype of GamerGaters, all wrapped up in one nice little package. It's like you wrote your own satire of the GamerGate movement. Well done.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 3:39 PM  

No use of the terms fag, nigger, or cunt in the post. No mention of promised broken windows, rape, or death.

Hmm. Not seeing the... streotype.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 3:41 PM  

...And isn't stereotyping inherently bad by SJW standards, Adam.

Anonymous kfg October 24, 2014 3:46 PM  

Pong conforms to every negative stereotype of patriarchal, misogynist games to these people.

Blogger Mekadave October 24, 2014 3:48 PM  

The trolls this afternoon have been thoroughly uninspiring and full of weaksauce. It's like MR drew the short straw at the last SJW meeting to have to come here and troll.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 24, 2014 3:53 PM  

MR: "You'll have to explain how the games are changed into something unwanted and also describe who is in charge of what is wanted."

The gamers who play the games are who is in charge of what is wanted. If some people want to play Mario Cart, fine -- knock yourself out. But don't also try to clean up GTA to make it just as "safe". That is but one example of unwanted change by those who enjoy it just as it is.

"There's a long history of criticizing the critics. But it's not known as "criticism". It's known as Whining."

Great, so you admit that you are here Whining. Thanks much for clearing that up.

I think it's safe to say at this point that MR is actually re-Tad-ed.

Blogger Mekadave October 24, 2014 4:01 PM  

Changing games into something unwanted? How about Sarkeesian getting an "advisor" gig on Mirror's Edge 2? Yuck.

Anonymous MR October 24, 2014 4:08 PM  

"The gamers who play the games are who is in charge of what is wanted. If some people want to play Mario Cart, fine -- knock yourself out. But don't also try to clean up GTA to make it just as "safe". That is but one example of unwanted change by those who enjoy it just as it is."

I think you are just going to have to live with the idea that those people who see obscene misogyny and other ugly ideas communicated in GTA will comment on them and even try to change then....Whether you want them to or not.

I mean really, so what that you don't want that. What are you going to do about it? Threaten the Critics??

Oh...wait...yeah.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 24, 2014 4:25 PM  

MR: "I think you are just going to have to live with the idea that those people who see obscene misogyny and other ugly ideas communicated in GTA will comment on them and even try to change then....Whether you want them to or not."

Nothing wrong with commenting on them; I already said that. But why do they have to change this one instead of just making their own "safe" version?

"I mean really, so what that you don't want that. What are you going to do about it? Threaten the Critics??

Oh...wait...yeah.
"


Oh...you mean just like this young woman did?

Keep pretending that the anti-GG gang is all squeeky-clean, MR. It makes your position more palatable to yourself, I'm sure.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 4:29 PM  

Mekadave - It's like MR drew the short straw at the last SJW meeting to have to come here and troll.

Drew the short straw, hitched up his short trousers, and hopped on the short bus.

Blogger Chris Scena October 24, 2014 4:30 PM  

MR, the irony of an SJW criticizing a group for threatening critics is beyond rich. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the fire.

And it is doubly amusing since all of those death threats (at least the ones against Sarkeesian and Wu) have been debunked.

Blogger Mekadave October 24, 2014 4:31 PM  

@Steve: +1 to you, sir! :-)

Anonymous kfg October 24, 2014 4:34 PM  

" But don't also try to clean up GTA to make it just as "safe" . . ."

This is the core of their problem. Their terms of victory are not having games aimed at their market to play (and looking at the state of FarmVille and Depression Quest even they don't seem to like to play them). Their terms are that nobody gets to play GTA, or CoD, or . . .

Even turning and destroying the commercial games market won't bring them victory. Only scorched earth will do.

The Doom engine, which is under GNU license, must cease to exist.

The SJWs are standing ground between the horns of the commercial developers on one side, whose livelihoods are at stake, and the hardcore gamers in free software world who can roll their own and whose ranks will only grow if the commercial market fails.

They are wielding their most powerful weapon, yelling "Stop oppressing me!," at people with no possible motivation to listen to them.

Anonymous kh123 October 24, 2014 4:42 PM  

As has been said before, the GG Elders don't really care if they live up to the... "streotype"... They'll cackle all night long in the graveyard while drinking the blood of children and running down hos in GTA:SA.

Since the unimaginative and regressive sought to negate the forces of free economic association, and started the harassment, chanting en masse, punishing thought crime with job loss, and burning their own houses down so to speak... Well then, what do you expect from gamers? Gamers.

The 4chan thing's going to prove to be the worse possible type of encouragement SJWs could have ever been cursed with. Germany on the eve of Barbarossa, anyone?

Anonymous Bz October 24, 2014 4:43 PM  

"I think you are just going to have to live with the idea that those people who see obscene misogyny and other ugly ideas communicated in GTA will comment on them and even try to change then...."

Are you hinting there's a problem with these Unentartente Spielen?

Blogger Danby October 24, 2014 4:50 PM  

@VD said
"I was talking to William S. Lind, whose book we are publishing later today, and he mentioned that #GamerGate had appeared in his local newspaper. His observation: "#GamerGate certainly is a form of 4GW; insurgents thrive on being denounced by the establishment."

one of the rules of 4GW is that every victory is used the the 4GWarrior as a recruiting tool.The more the journalistas and the SJWs condemn all gamers as rapists and murderers, them more gamers will turn on them. The more all-inclusive and irrational the denunciation, the more recruits you are giving the other side. You are also effectively distilling out the most hard-core cadre, as all the people who are susceptible to the SJW attack have already capitulated.
Gamers are now sure of who their allies are, the know the tactics they need to use, and their opponents are recruiting members for them with their over-the-top, sneering attacks, demeaning all gamers as misogynist loners, rapists, murderers.

And gamers, hard-core serious gamers are demonstrably immune to the insult-shame-absolution routine that SJWs use to silence and isolate their opponents.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 5:06 PM  

Mekadave - :)

kfg - Their terms are that nobody gets to play GTA

This is the thing about the SJW horde and the anti-GG movement. Their message, once you strip out the lies, is you're enjoying yourself wrong - and we're going to put a stop to that.

They've had quite a bit of success in the indie space in gaming recently. Much of that success was built on unwarranted shameless promotion of their games by their friends/funders/fuckbuddies in the gaming press, but still, success.

Gone Home got a lot of attention and seems to have been commercially successful, seeing as they ported it to the Wii U. Fez was a big hit. I've no idea if the guy behind "Papers, Please" is a SJW, but it's the kind of indie game that pinkshirts love to fawn over and sold tons of copies on Steam. It's never been easier to make games and get them out to a mass audience. There's literally nothing stopping feminists or SJW's making games based on their values and preferences - apart from talent, which is always in short supply.

There is no "patriarchy" or white male conspiracy to keep women or "diversity" out of gaming. There never was. The folks supporting GG aren't trying to stop Literally Who or Literally Wu making games.

Even the AAA space has seen some SJW incursion. Assassin's Creed 2 was a notorious example of this, beginning with a strange message about how it was created by "a multicultural team", including a bizarre monologue from a prostitute who tells you that she sells her snatch because she's an empowered liberated female, having you kill the pope during a church service, and ending with a warning of "guard against The Cross".

So it's not as if the pinkshirts haven't been catered to. It's that they want to make sure normal people aren't catered to. Remember all those tweets after the Nebula awards, gloating that no hetero white men had won anything? It's the same animus at work.

Anonymous Scintan October 24, 2014 6:28 PM  

I see that Tad and company are going with the "The science is settled" approach.

Anonymous Nathan October 24, 2014 6:37 PM  

And Gawker just doubled down on stupid. They're promoting Biddle.to Senior Writer.

Anonymous SirHamster October 24, 2014 6:50 PM  

I've no idea if the guy behind "Papers, Please" is a SJW, but it's the kind of indie game that pinkshirts love to fawn over and sold tons of copies on Steam.


Indie is not SJW. Papers Please satires communist/totalitarian bureaucracies, which is not an SJW message. Contrast that to Gone Home, which is about some tormented lesbian romance or some such.

If you compare the metacritic scores, Gone Home has 86/5.3 critic/user score, while Papers Please has 85/8.5. That should be a useful indicator of the value of the game as a game.

Anonymous The other skeptic October 24, 2014 8:12 PM  

Heh, youtube served up this on replacing the knob on a Remington 700 bolt when I searched for Sargon of Akkad.

Youtube must be prescient.

Anonymous Steve October 24, 2014 8:14 PM  

SirHamster - Yes. I agree.

Indie =/= SJW. But, because of the lower barriers of entry, the indie scene is more SJW-friendly. Most of the anti-GG developers are in the indie scene.

Also I don't mean to diss "Papers, Please". I played the free version and it's a fine game. Not my cup of tea, but well made and reminiscent of the more interesting concepts that used to find a home on the Amiga. It did get a lot of buzz from SJW-leaning websites. I think they may have misread the subject matter, just as a lot of folks assumed District 9 was about the evils of apartheid.

I haven't played Gone Home because it looks shite.

Anonymous Student in Blue October 24, 2014 8:25 PM  

Indie =/= SJW. But, because of the lower barriers of entry, the indie scene is more SJW-friendly. Most of the anti-GG developers are in the indie scene.

To be more specific, it's the lower barriers of entry to get well-connected that makes it SJW-friendly. It's really the reviewers and the judges for indie game festivals that make the indie scene SJW-friendly, not having easy tools to program with.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 24, 2014 11:18 PM  

I nominate MR in the 2014 "Most Accurate Descriptive Screen Name" category.

Though honestly, you probably have to be over 40 to understand why. For the under-40 crowd, he would have to go by the nickname "Special" or "Shortbus" or perhaps "Differently Abled".

The over-80 crowd would probably just call him a dummy.

Anonymous MR October 25, 2014 12:07 AM  

"I nominate MR in the 2014 "Most Accurate Descriptive Screen Name" category."

Oh, isn't that sweet. When you have nothing to show in the way of an argument, call people names. But, isn't that the gist of the GamerGang MO already?

You'll fit in fine.

Anonymous MR October 25, 2014 12:12 AM  

"MR, the irony of an SJW criticizing a group for threatening critics is beyond rich. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the fire. "

Oh, Lord. If I hear one more hackneyed metaphor or analogy offered up by the GamerGang, I'm going to puke. Though I shouldn't be surprised that your writing skills are so simple, given the time spend listing to the oh so stellar dialogue in your games.

Anonymous Jack Amok October 25, 2014 12:24 AM  

Oh, isn't that sweet. When you have nothing to show in the way of an argument, call people names.

No dumbass, when you ignore all the arguments, you get called an idiot. If you don't want to be called retarded, try responding to the arguments. Only you can't because, well, because you're a moron, and all the facts are on our side.

So... fuck off.

And die, I believe is the phrase.

Because I don't really care what you think of me or what mewling, pathetic crap you may spew. You are a nullity. A void. Nothing. And I only take the time to point this out in order to feel a small bit of joy at your pain. Because you deserve it. I rather enjoy the thought of you livid with indignation, launching once more to your intrepid keyboard to tell the bad man how bad he is. I just hope you don't have a cat or a dog that you'll kick in frustration. But, well, I suspect you're more of the gerbil sort anyway.



Anonymous dh October 25, 2014 12:40 AM  

Isn't it interesting that the SJW's cupcakes never have any convictions for these death threats. I have done this type of work, and I know VD has, and it's not that difficult to associate a real name to an online identity, and it's even easier when you don't need even a warrant or subpoena to get records of ISPs.

Yet, never any convictions. Never.

Anonymous kh123 October 25, 2014 1:04 AM  

"...given the time spend listing to the oh so stellar dialogue in your games."

All your angst are belong to us.

Anonymous Robo October 25, 2014 1:18 AM  

James-

Dude give it up. It's you know who, and you've been outed.

If you could see a picture of this dude ( MR) you'd fully understand why this dude is a "social justice warrior." Fake hipster, frail, no guts, beak-nosed, pimply.

This dude (MR) basically was a slave to a hyper-feminist chick for like four months. While he mouthed platitudes, picked her up from bars to " protect" her, spent every. Last dime he had ( even though her dad is a rich preacher), she STILL never gave him any. Every dude in our crew has had his share, though.

And don't even try to deny it's you dude. I know about the other site you trolled about gamergate with the same pseudonym and it is obviously your writing style.


And oh yeah- dude has some VERY VERY dark secrets- so watch out.

Anonymous Robo October 25, 2014 1:23 AM  

Oh- dudes also the perfect " son of a single mother). Near Everybody in our whole town has had a piece from his mom.


Dude you need to stop showing her what you do online.

P.S. I'm with her right now. She's on my couch watching one of your favorite movies ( you know- Princess Bride). It's lame but whatever gets her juices flowing. You ain't ever gonna get her dude.

Anonymous Discard October 25, 2014 1:40 AM  

MR at 9:43 AM said "The world of thoughtful, mainstream people…"

Meaning, "We, your betters…"

Mainstream people are not thoughtful. If they were thoughtful, they'd see that the "mainstream" has been corrupted beyond salvaging.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 25, 2014 2:03 AM  

Hey guys, there's a lost child wandering round the comments section - yeah the one that thinks calling people names is a debating tactic. If you see him could you show him the way out? Help him get back to a 'social' forum where his opinion matter because he can just side with the majority.

Tell him your the legitimate authorities then he'll do whatever you ask.

And watch out for the drool.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit October 25, 2014 2:17 AM  

your = you're

Anonymous The other skeptic October 25, 2014 10:03 AM  

Though I shouldn't be surprised that your writing skills are so simple, given the time spend listing to the oh so stellar dialogue in your games.

So, you would think that it would be easy for teh womyn to write better, more successful games, then. You know, like Depression Quest.

Anonymous WaterBoy October 25, 2014 2:53 PM  

What, MR is back with more whining?

Shocked, I am.

Anonymous k8 October 26, 2014 12:16 AM  

I don't even understand Gamergate at all. There are tons of games that are made for women (pretty much all of which are Japanese). I mean, who do they think those JRPG's with the anime characters on the cover are marketed towards? They never buy them though. All I see are people complaining about Call of Duty when what they really wanted to play was Final Fantasy.

Blogger Mekadave October 26, 2014 12:21 AM  

It's not really about the games from the SJW side. For them, it's about power and control. Same as it always is for cultural Marxists.

Blogger dfordoom October 29, 2014 4:26 PM  

Depression Quest is an actual game? I assumed it was a parody. Dear God.

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