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Thursday, November 20, 2014

The Obama Amnesty

The plan is not quite as disastrous as I was expecting. But it's bad, and you can be certain it is going to get even worse in the implementation:
The biggest change to the immigration system will be a new program that allows the parents of U.S. citizens and permanent residents to apply for work permits and deferred deportation. An estimated 4 million parents will be eligible for the initiative. They are people who have been in the United States for at least five years and have no felony convictions but are currently in the country illegally.

The program is modeled on a similar initiative — known as the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA — that Obama launched in 2012 for immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children.

The administration is also expanding eligibility for the current deferred action program. Previously, those brought to the United States as children needed to have come to the United States before 2007, and to still be under 31 years of age, to apply for the new status. Now, any qualifying immigrant brought to the United States before 2010 as a child is eligible, opening the program up for at least a quarter-million more people....

The Obama administration is also finalizing new rules that would allow the spouses of H-1B visa recipients to receive visas without being counted against the overall cap for high-tech skilled workers. And the administration will begin developing a new program for foreign entrepreneurs, who currently face tough restrictions immigrating to the United States unless they have a guaranteed income.
This is going to put more negative pressure on wages, especially in technology, which shouldn't be surprising since that's precisely why Zuckerberg and company were pushing for it.

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Blogger Eric Wilson November 20, 2014 8:26 PM  

This is the sole reason I voted for Tom Tancredo in the CO Gov primary. Say whatever else you will about the guy, he is willing to stand up against immigration.

Anonymous Wyrd November 20, 2014 8:27 PM  

While listening to Dear Leader, I just can't get this old Tool song out of my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0LqzhOyzIM

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 20, 2014 8:33 PM  

No matter what he says it's all lies. That his history and to belief it's "not quite as disastrous" as thought is to ignore the entire history of Overlord Obama. "Worse in the implementation", indeed.

Anonymous Wyrd November 20, 2014 8:39 PM  

OT

Pope Commie I's war on conservative dissent within the Church:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/20/cardinal-stunning-demotion-helps-pope-francis-quell-conservative-backlash-for/

Anonymous paradox November 20, 2014 8:44 PM  

And the response from free trade cult, over at Reason Magzine... any night the government decides to stop ruining people's lives for not obeying absurd laws is a good night for libertarians.

facepalm....

Blogger Random November 20, 2014 8:45 PM  

Say whatever else you will about the guy, he is willing to stand up against immigration.

Tancredo 2016, he's tan, rested, and ready?

Blogger Darayvus November 20, 2014 8:49 PM  

This is the sole reason I voted for Tom Tancredo in the CO Gov primary.

Me too. I sucked it up and voted for Beauprez in the general,

- but if I'd known that Boulder Valley was going to steal the election then I'd have supported a statewide electoral boycott and paro-general.

Blogger pyrrhus November 20, 2014 9:00 PM  

My experience with minorities, which is considerable, is that if they have to "apply" for something, fill out forms, and wait, a large number will not go through the process.

Blogger buzzardist November 20, 2014 9:03 PM  

Will the next president have the fortitude to undo this executive order? What one president can fiat, the next can cancel by the same power. In fact, if this precedent is let to stand, the next president could even unilaterally expand deportations. Pro-immigration corporatists don't like it? Boohoo. Their man set the precedent.

The other question is Congress. Will they allow this action to stand? Will they subsequently pass a law enabling Obama? Will they impeach, use some method to block implementation of the law, or pass a more restrictive law disabling the president's attempt? If Congress does nothing, the fate of the republic rests on who is elected president in 2016. If Congress acts to enable Obama's move, then all is already lost. If Congress manages to oppose and effectively undermine Obama's attempt, then there remains some hope for rule of law.

Anonymous Baseball Savant November 20, 2014 9:04 PM  

VD, have you ever met Zuckerberg?

Anonymous Will Best November 20, 2014 9:08 PM  

I like the idea in theory. Get all these people to sign up for his plan, next president now has a list of who to go after.

In practice however its just queuing up for citizenship papers when they fire up the autopen.

Anonymous Rome or Die November 20, 2014 9:27 PM  

"Pope Commie I's war on conservative dissent within the Church:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/20/cardinal-stunning-demotion-helps-pope-francis-quell-conservative-backlash-for/"

False and blasphemous. You shitlib Protestants created Puritanism and thus lawlessness anarchy...

I must also point Obama is a devout Protestant.

Blogger IM2L844 November 20, 2014 9:30 PM  

Regardless of how one feels about his policies, it's absolutely conclusive that Obama is not a trustworthy human being. He has repeatedly demonstrated zero compunction about deliberately deceiving the public. How anyone can believe a single word this despicable prevaricator says is beyond me.

Anonymous Wyrd November 20, 2014 9:37 PM  

False and blasphemous. You shitlib Protestants created Puritanism and thus lawlessness anarchy...

I must also point Obama is a devout Protestant.


Enjoy your ever-increasingly progressive church. In a few years, it will Catholic dogma that Mary was a virgin because she liked it in the mouth and ass, and the reason why Jesus never married was because those horrible Hebrews wouldn't legalize same-sex unions.

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2014 9:43 PM  

Pyrrus: Somebody will surely help all those wetbacks with the paperwork.

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2014 9:43 PM  

The thing about the IT/development side of technology jobs is that these days it is almost inconsequential whether the guy you hire is in your city or halfway across the world. The only thing that matters is whether he can get the job done. That's why I don't think immigration changes will have much effect on tech jobs. The damage has already been done to tech jobs, and it has been wrought via the internet. This applies even on the higher-end tech jobs. I do some pretty serious database consulting, and some of the biggest technology companies would rather I stay home and work than come to their office. Current project I'm on involves an equal distribution of people from Germany, USA, and India.

The only IT jobs where it really matters if you are physically there are the sweatshop tech places, where you have some manager riding herd on 50 cubicles to make sure that everyone churns out 3 websites a day or whatever. In other words, I don't think Mark Zuckerberg is pushing for this change so that he can hire a new team of head application architects or senior developers. He already has some of the best talent around the world, regardless of nationality. I think it is more for the sweatshop end of his company: all the low-paid designers, HTML jockeys, QA workers and the like. Even there, I don't get why someone like Zuckerberg would care that much whether the sweatshop is in the USA or anywhere else in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don't get why he would care about immigration at all.

Anonymous 11B November 20, 2014 9:52 PM  

This is just the latest example that proves the elite get their way, democracy be damned. For example, Americans consistently rejected alternative marriage on ballots in several states. But the elite wanted it, and used the court system to find a few sympathetic judges to give it to them.

Now comes immigration. The American people have consistently opposed amnesty and defeated it via the rank and file GOP members of Congress. But the elite wanted it, and now have the guy in office who will issue the executive order.

I suppose it really doesn't matter what the people want. No matter how many times we win elections, the elite will always find their wildcard to get their way.

Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2014 9:57 PM  

Democrats in California will soon find only two classes in their state: the rich and everyone else. Increasing H1-B visas is a direct assault on middle class tech workers.
Hope and Change!

Anonymous 11B November 20, 2014 10:03 PM  

Why do we need Facebook to be based in the USA? I know some of these tech companies pushing for more foreign imports have subtly hinted that they might have to locate in another nation if they aren't able to get their fill of workers. But does it matter?

Anonymous Cail Corishev November 20, 2014 10:08 PM  

Even there, I don't get why someone like Zuckerberg would care that much whether the sweatshop is in the USA or anywhere else in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don't get why he would care about immigration at all.

It certainly doesn't affect his bottom line as much as, say, Microsoft's or IBM's. But suppressing wages at the sweatshop level will tend to pull them down across the industry, so it will help him some.

But I think in his case it's mostly ideological. You could present him with solid evidence that foreign workers are TWICE as expensive, and he'd still be hiring them and pushing this.

Anonymous zen0 November 20, 2014 10:12 PM  

I have been trying to rack my brain (at least 30 seconds) to imagine a way that a Canadian Prime Minister could do something similar, and, by golly, I do not think it could ever happen. His own party would probably denounce him enmasse.

That's some system you got there.

Hope its not contagious.

Blogger Anglican November 20, 2014 10:27 PM  

There is an advantage to a parliamentary system.

Anonymous Revan November 20, 2014 10:36 PM  

"This is going to put more negative pressure on wages, especially in technology"

Why technology?

Anonymous zen0 November 20, 2014 10:37 PM  

The Queen's representative would probably have him removed, for in announcing such a delusionary thing, he would have proven himself mad, and unfit for office.

Anonymous zen0 November 20, 2014 10:50 PM  

People would ritually defile him in the town square, and balladiers would sing vaguely disguised doggerel about his indiscretions, sung to the angelic strains of the lute.

Whereas in the US, the traditional remedy has been to gun the bastard down.

Without tradition, life is a shakey as a diddler on the roof, or some such trite mopery.

Anonymous Will Best November 20, 2014 10:50 PM  

Even there, I don't get why someone like Zuckerberg would care that much whether the sweatshop is in the USA or anywhere else in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don't get why he would care about immigration at all.

Zuckerberg lives in a nice community that is adjacent to a hellhole. The Hispanics are currently pushing the blacks out of that hellhole, and they make for much better neighbors.

Facebook doesn't just employ tech grunts, they have janitorial, kitchen staff, etc. Between that and H1-Bs he can shave off 5% on labor, and in doing so he can push his net worth up another couple billion.


That's some system you got there.

The Democrats are so depraved that Obama could do a line of coke off a 14 year olds cock and the majority of his party would defend him.

Anonymous trev006 November 20, 2014 10:55 PM  

zen0,

I'd love to be sanguine about Canada's resistance to executive authority, but any nation seriously contemplating putting Justin Trudeau in elected office is capable of even greater idiocies than the USA is. I would argue most Canadians would gladly vote Obama as PM.

As for the amnesty plan, every bit of it is pageantry acting, and now the government doesn't even acknowledge its elections. I'm surprisingly optimistic, though. The triumph of harpy feminism and the complete disregard of American elections is making a lot of people more open to ideas they never would have considered last year, never mind a decade ago.

Anonymous The other skeptic November 20, 2014 11:05 PM  

Facebook doesn't just employ tech grunts, they have janitorial, kitchen staff, etc. Between that and H1-Bs he can shave off 5% on labor, and in doing so he can push his net worth up another couple billion.

Those jobs will likely be done with robots within five years.

Anonymous BioShock Jock November 20, 2014 11:12 PM  

"do a line of coke off a 14 year olds cock and the majority of his party would defend him."

Now, now. Leave former Republican Senator Larry Craig out of this. He just has a wide stance.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 20, 2014 11:42 PM  

Zuckerberg lives in a nice community that is adjacent to a hellhole. The Hispanics are currently pushing the blacks out of that hellhole, and they make for much better neighbors.

Bullshit. Joventino Bermudez Arenas says you're wrong. He's the scumbag that stabbed to death Parker Moore last weekend in Oregon. Parker was 20 years old, played linebacker for Linfield College. and they'd just clinced their conference championship. Parker was heading home after the game, stopped at a 7-11, and while he was waiting in line, Arenas walked up and stabbed him to death. Nobody has a clue why. Arenas was shot to death by cops when he came back to the scenen later, still wtih the knife. His family claims he was trying to turn himself in but no hablo ingles, so they just shot him. Unlike the dead bankster, the knife was easy to find because the bastard still had it in his hand.

Parker was the best friend of one of my family members. A good kid with as bright a future as any 20 year old could have in this screwed up society. I'd met Parker a few times. Nobody would think there were any problems with Millenials if more of them were like him.

But there's one less now, thanks to immigration.

Anonymous Shibes Meadow November 20, 2014 11:48 PM  

OT but related: the Negro mob and associated White revolutionaries in Ferguson have stepped up the 4GW game. They are now tracking down and directly threatening the families of police officers. This tactic is bound to prove effective.

VD: I propose we create a Ferguson Analysis Board here on VP. The Ferguson situation is a living, real-time laboratory in 4GW and a rich source of real-world information on what happens when the established power structure begins to lose its ability to enforce its will.

The Bundy Ranch affair was the first example of successful 4GW against the Federal Entity, and the menu of lessons learned from it was lengthy. Now, in Ferguson and surrounding areas, we are seeing the second. From the nightly sieges of the police station to the forced closure of major thoroughfares to the infamous "list of demands", we are once again witnessing what governments do when faced with decentralized leadership backed by the threat of force. There are lessons being taught in Ferguson that we need to learn.

Don't get me wrong: I detest that rabble in Ferguson. Although I'm no fan of the police, I hope in this case that the cops crush these losers with maximum force. I don't think the Powers That Be have the stomach to do what must be done to win, however -- and if they don't, then we will witness the successful overthrow of an American government by a street mob and its media allies. In any case, we need to analyze and learn from what's about to go down.

Blogger IM2L844 November 20, 2014 11:56 PM  

I suppose it really doesn't matter what the people want. No matter how many times we win elections, the elite will always find their wildcard to get their way.

I agree, 11B. That's one of the reasons I think this big immigration show might be, at least partially, intended as a distraction from the talks with Iran which are set to conclude next week. It seems that somebody really wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon. If Iran gets another extension, avoiding sanctions, out of the talks and the media all but ignores it, it will bolster my suspicions. We'll see.

Anonymous kh123 November 21, 2014 12:28 AM  

Condolences, Jack.

Anonymous Wyrd November 21, 2014 12:50 AM  

Although I'm no fan of the police, I hope in this case that the cops crush these losers with maximum force.

In case some haven't seen this, here's a Milwaukee police chief going off on SJW reporters concerning their obsession with "gentle giants":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7MAO7McNKE

The little girl killed he mentions was white. The perps are black.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 21, 2014 12:54 AM  

Thanks kh123, I'm fine, but there are some good people really struggling with this one. If anybody has spare prayers to say, maybe say one for Parker's family and his friends.

A key part of the investigation right now is verifying if Joventino Bermudez Arenas is who family members say he is, Berry said. Investigators have not found any public records for Bermudez Arenas, he said. Knowing more of his past could help aid the investigation, he said.

His family said Tuesday the Joventino has no documentation from any country. Before coming to Oregon six years ago to live with two brothers and two sisters, Joventino, who is one of 11 siblings, lived in California with his uncle.

Gene Carson, the business' manager at Holiday Tree Farms, confirmed Joventino worked for several hours in the shipping yard the day of the stabbing.

Joventino was working his second harvest season, which usually lasts about six weeks, Carson said. An uncle works for at the tree farm year-round and other family members worked for the company, Carson said.


Yeah, I'm a real big fan of amnesty. Real big.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 21, 2014 1:06 AM  

rycamor: "Even there, I don't get why someone like Zuckerberg would care that much whether the sweatshop is in the USA or anywhere else in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don't get why he would care about immigration at all."

Anti-white animus.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 21, 2014 1:15 AM  

en0: "That's some system you got there."

The strong executive was not the problem with the system as built.

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 21, 2014 1:16 AM  

Tear down whitey while looking like him!

Anonymous Idle Spectator November 21, 2014 1:21 AM  

They are now tracking down and directly threatening the families of police officers. This tactic is bound to prove effective.

Unless they decide to shoot back.

//raises hand

The Saxon is beginning to hate.

Anonymous Wyrd November 21, 2014 1:33 AM  

VD gets his own thread over on John Wright's site:

http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/11/the-wright-perspective-talking-past-each-other/#comments

Must be awesome to be the king.

Anonymous kh123 November 21, 2014 1:50 AM  

"A key part of the investigation right now is verifying if Joventino Bermudez Arenas is who family members say he is, Berry said."

Vox would be better to field this, but Arenas doesn't seem one of the standard Central/South American names. Is one you'd see more often in Europe.

Blogger Eric Wilson November 21, 2014 2:16 AM  

"Me too. I sucked it up and voted for Beauprez in the general,

- but if I'd known that Boulder Valley was going to steal the election then I'd have supported a statewide electoral boycott and paro-general."

Yeah. I had doubts that I would even vote in the general. I was more concerned about the tax increases for Adams Co. schools but while I was there I figured a vote against Hick wasn't the worst thing so I pulled the lever for Beauprez. But I didn't feel good about it.

Blogger Eric Wilson November 21, 2014 2:21 AM  

"Tancredo 2016, he's tan, rested, and ready?"

The GOP could certainly do worse. And observably has since I've been able to vote.

Blogger AdognamedOp November 21, 2014 4:23 AM  

Arenas= Sands. Junior Bermuda Sands.Sounds more like a Boxer or all pro Cornerback than a decline and fall metaphor.

Raiders beat Chiefs

Blogger James Dixon November 21, 2014 4:41 AM  

> My experience with minorities, which is considerable, is that if they have to "apply" for something, fill out forms, and wait, a large number will not go through the process.

There's an entire industry of people being paid to do that for them.

> I must also point Obama is a devout Protestant.

He was raised a Muslim. Has any Islamic leader called for his death because he converted yet?

> Why do we need Facebook to be based in the USA?

The last few words of your question are redundant.

Anonymous JAC November 21, 2014 5:03 AM  

"He was raised a Muslim. Has any Islamic leader called for his death because he converted yet?"

They probably just chalk his nominal Christianity up to taqiyya since he's clearly on their side.

Anonymous Anonymous November 21, 2014 7:39 AM  

Obama is exposed to my people as an enemy of America, that work is off my plate; next up is the same process for the Ruling Class Republicans.

I do not know how to attack this problem. With Obama it was his oratory vs his actions--eventually his actions proved his character. With the republicans, it is the same thing, but while Obama's actions are easy to tag on him (now) with the RC Republicans tagging is not so clear cut.

We need a catalyst that crystallizes in American's minds that the RC Repubs are evil as well. Now, how to do that....

Anonymous Eric the Red November 21, 2014 8:10 AM  

'The only IT jobs where it really matters if you are physically there are the sweatshop tech places, where you have some manager riding herd on 50 cubicles to make sure that everyone churns out 3 websites a day or whatever.'

Not quite right... for any career in realtime embedded systems, you need to be close to the lab and ultimately the final target system plus actual environment. Remote testing is both literally and figuratively a non-starter, since many times just to get the damn thing up and running for the first test is a monumental process unto itself.

Anonymous Michael November 21, 2014 8:51 AM  

Vox, I have an idea. Find a house you like, break in and squat. Eat their food, use their utilities and appliances and take their stuff. After all, if it's alright for millions of Mexicans to steal their way into America and burden the system, then hey, the law doesn't matter anymore.

Anonymous Anonymous November 21, 2014 8:56 AM  

"I must also point Obama is a devout Protestant."

I must also point out that "makes regular public displays of obviously fake piety" is not synonymous with "devout" ...

Anonymous thecryptile November 21, 2014 10:28 AM  

The Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has issued a fatwa calling for the death of the apostate Barack Hussein Obama.

Obama is almost certainly an atheist. His true religion is Marxism.

Blogger rycamor November 21, 2014 10:50 AM  

Titus Didius Tacitus November 21, 2014 1:06 AM
rycamor: "Even there, I don't get why someone like Zuckerberg would care that much whether the sweatshop is in the USA or anywhere else in the world. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I don't get why he would care about immigration at all."

Anti-white animus.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Guys like Zuckerberg don't even have that much of a rational self-serving reason for this. I think it's more a case of celebrity-itis: wanting to seem like a champion of the downtrodden, and not caring how many lives must be wrecked for that to happen.

Anonymous map November 21, 2014 1:53 PM  

Shibes Meadow,

The thing is, Ferguson is not a 4GW situation. The rioters are being managed from the White House and the Federal government is putting shackles on local law enforcement.

The Bundy Ranch situation was a 4GW situation.

Blogger RobertT November 21, 2014 1:58 PM  

The pox on Zuck.

Anonymous Titus Didius Tacitus November 22, 2014 12:51 AM  

rycamor: "Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Guys like Zuckerberg don't even have that much of a rational self-serving reason for this."

Their reasons are collective, ethnocentric, pervasive and persistent; not individual, eccentric, occasional and ephemeral.

rycamor: "I think it's more a case of celebrity-itis: wanting to seem like a champion of the downtrodden, and not caring how many lives must be wrecked for that to happen."

Tom Wolfe described this in his book Radical Chic & Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers in 1970. Tom Wolfe underlined that conductor Leonard Bernstein and his Park Avenue, Manhattan socialite friends were popular with their peers, and to a limited extent with the blacks they glamorized and petted, but not with working class whites, who knew that this elite "compassion" for the Black Panthers was matched with an unfriendly lack of consideration for whites like them.

What has changed in the 44 years since then? As far as the "moral" fashions of a heavily Jewish and Judaized elite are concerned, nothing. The Bernsteins and the Zuckerbergs, in one place or another, in one occupation or another, in one era or another, still have the same sort of animus against whites, and still drive whites down, socially and practically, in similar ways.

So what looks to us like a crazy fashion that must blow over is no such thing. It's part of the character of a deeply different people, and the kind of culture that that people generates.

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