Tuesday, August 25, 2015

What will Vox do?

The SJWs are worried:

“The real burning question is, 'what will Vox Day attack next?'”
- Charles Stross

"What will happen in 2016. We both know the question is what will Vox Day do? The Sad Puppy plans are secondary to what ever Vox Day does. I assume he will try to run some kind of disruption campaign but what kind we won’t know until next year."
- Camestros Felapton

Of course, I am not at liberty to reveal the Rabid Puppy 2 strategy, in part because we are still in the first two stages of the OODA loop, observing and orienting. (Sorry, Tom, I couldn't resist.) But in the interest of further demoralizing the already-retreating enemy, I'm not reluctant to reveal one of the new weapons in our arsenal.

That's right. The Evil Legion of Evil is training a corps of Amphibious Assault Otters. Armed with acid-filled squirt guns and supported by a crack squad of Attack Manatees, they will emerge from the rivers and literally melt the faces of the SJWs attempting to burn bridges as they continue to retreat. Good day, sir! I said good day!

In other news, the International Lord of Hate has pronounced his verdict on the 2015 awards. He does not sound especially pleased with SF fandom. Consequences may never be the same.
Before Sad Puppies came along, Toni had never received a Hugo nomination. Zero. The above-mentioned Patrick Nielsen Hayden has 8 15. Toni’s problem was that she just didn’t care and she didn’t play the WorldCon politics. Her only concern was making the fans happy. She publishes any author who can do that, regardless of their politics. She’s always felt that the real awards were in the royalty checks. Watching her get ignored was one of the things that spurred me into starting Sad Puppies. If anybody deserved the Hugo, it was her.

This year Toni got a whopping 1,216 first place votes for Best Editor. That isn’t just a record. That is FOUR TIMES higher than the previous record. Shelia Gilbert came in next with an amazing 754. I believe that Toni is such a class act that beforehand she even said she thought Shelia Gilbert deserved to win. Fans love Toni.

Logically you would think that she would be award worthy, since the only Baen books to be nominated for a Hugo prior to Sad Puppies were edited by her (Bujold) and none of those were No Awarded. Last year she had the most first place votes, and came in second only after the weird Australian Rules voting kicked in (don’t worry everybody, they just voted to make the system even more complicated), so she was apparently award worthy last year.

Toni Weisskopf has been part of organized Fandom (capital F) since she was a little kid, so all that bloviating about how Fandom is precious, and sacred, and your special home since the ‘70s which you need to keep as a safe space free of barbarians, blah, blah, blah, yeah, that applies to Toni just as much as it does to you CHORFs.  You know how you guys paid back her lifetime of involvement in Fandom?

By giving 2,496 votes to No Award....

The real winner this year was Vox Day and the Rabid Puppies. Yep. You CHORFing idiots don’t seem to realize that Brad, Sarah, and I were the reasonable ones who spent most of the summer talking Vox out of having his people No Award the whole thing to burn it down, but then you did it for him. He got the best of both worlds. Oh, but now you’re going to say that Three Body Problem won, and that’s a victory for diversity! You poor deluded fools… That was Vox’s pick for best novel. That’s the one most of the Rabid Puppies voted for too.

Here’s something for you crowing imbeciles to think through, the only reason Vox didn’t have Three Body Problem on his nomination slate was that he read it a month too late. If he’d read it sooner, it would have been an RP nomination… AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE NO AWARDED IT.
There is no question that the Rabid Puppies and I won this year. In addition to hand-picking Best Novel and burning five awards (we should have had seven, dammit), I received more votes for Best Editor than Patrick Nielsen Hayden ever has. Also, and perhaps more importantly, I'm not going to be fired for attacking a female Tor Books author in public at a professional venue.

Screaming about "blood libels" at a woman of Jewish descent, Patrick? Really?

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Anonymous puppyologist August 25, 2015 9:15 PM  

It has to be a black tee shirt, too.

Blogger Thucydides August 25, 2015 9:19 PM  

Even without your own private army of minions, ilk and assorted squires, artisans and camp followers, there are many more people joining the battle against SJW's, as these two articles suggest. This seems to be a case of spontaneous order arising from chaos with the right stimulus:


Anonymous ftumch August 25, 2015 9:22 PM  

Been trying to catch up with all the comments around the Hugos... and it occured to me that we should start a Razzies style award, for the worst nominated works, and award them at every Worldcon. A comment at La Hoyts said one word: Torrible.

So there: the Torribles.

(almost rhymes with Tribbles?)

Blogger Keith Glass August 25, 2015 9:24 PM  

Oh myyyyy. . .

Rev3 now says that Vox is ISIS. Bad call.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2015 9:34 PM  

Someone asked way upthread whether it was just puppy nominees who got the asterisk thingy. All the nominees did, not just the puppies.

In fact, the SJW lady next to me dropped hers and I picked it up for her. It was something a gentleman would do. It was also done in self-defense...

Blogger commoncents August 25, 2015 9:35 PM  

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Anonymous zen0 the ephemeral August 25, 2015 9:36 PM  

The Executive Editors at Tor are Beth Meacham and Harriat McDougal. They oversee PNH, ostensibly.

Harriet Mcdougal seems to be the Alpha female.

Anonymous zen0 the Ephemeral August 25, 2015 9:43 PM  

If @159 Cataline is correct that Tom Doherty is feeble, the Alpha female is next man up, unless, of course, Beth has plans.

Anonymous Scintan August 25, 2015 9:46 PM  

Since I don't do the brainstorming thing, I'll mention this here....

When discussing what to do next year, don't forget about getting boots on the ground in order to deal with the attempt to change the rules.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 25, 2015 9:54 PM  


That is pretty much how I feel as well.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 25, 2015 10:09 PM  

Scintan @209: "Since I don't do the brainstorming thing, I'll mention this here...."

Same reason, different observation:

Some categories that would have been filled with Puppy noms had doors left open to SJW noms by people withdrawing their nominations (and in one case by unforeseen disqualification).

Suggestion: Ensure that Puppy noms will not fold before including them, and extend the list by one or two positions to cover potential withdrawals and disqualifications. VFM modulo 3!

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 25, 2015 10:38 PM  

Those awards should be either the Gerrolds or the Scalzis.

Blogger Carl Philipp August 25, 2015 10:51 PM  

@212 It should probably not be the Gerrolds, because then we would feel obliged to make the award look like a voluptuous preteen boy.

@193 I am the picture of ignorance; what was SWC?

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 25, 2015 10:52 PM  

@166 Unfortunately, the otters have a tendency to profound bonding with their trainer. You cannot buy one. You must raise your own from a cub.

Anonymous Anonymous August 25, 2015 10:54 PM  

P.S. I am currently drinking an Argentinian Malbec. Dreaming of the day it is SJW blood instead….

The gauchos would mix it with bulls blood. Never tried it that way, altho’ by Argentine standards I eat my beef raw.

Blogger imp of the perverse August 25, 2015 10:58 PM  

I truly think there is something worth saving in the Hugos, it has a rich tradition from my childhood and I would hate to see it consigned to existing as a marketing tool for PNH... that being said, if they do in 2016 what they did this year I will hand them the matches and help carry the kerosene.... The disrespect and vitriolic behavior towards the nominated editors and authors, especially Brad and Mr. and Mrs. Wright is just too much...

Anonymous IsMise August 25, 2015 11:04 PM  

@182 Just bought a copy for 4.00 and free shipping. I love free shipping.

Blogger CostelloM August 25, 2015 11:15 PM  

For all their psychology and women's studies and bi-sexual lesbian asian studies degrees they really don't understand anything about basic human nature. They were just manipulated into burning down half their house. This "victory" didn't defeat anything and we'll be back in far greater numbers next year. The way to defeat this would be simply say "ho hum" okay new voters lets see who wins. Blah. But no, they had to make this into the most entertaining of side shows I've seen in many many years. Okay - I'm in. I'll pay another dime to see the fat toad lady squat on a midget and a lumpy dumpy guy in a dress have another meltdown. Idiots.

Blogger An American August 25, 2015 11:36 PM  


Yep, I was a committed leftist myself, back when the left was about Martin Luther King Jr. style "race blindness" anti-racism, free speech, and concern for the working class. Today, class is irrelevant to the left, they eagerly promote a private grade school Harvard Law grad named Obama over any working class O'Malley; any "affirmative action" is just political nepotism dressed up in base race grievance mongering. The idea that a working class white might not be as "privileged" as a middle-upper-class black is completely lost on them, or rather, they cynically exploit outdated race grievances to oppress the working class. My great-grandfather was a fiery union organizer who'd never dream of voting Republican. My grandfather followed him until the 1970's, when the left decided it was more important to socially engineer society -- with a focus on sexual deviancy -- than to protect the economic interests of the working class. A "Reagan democrat." I naively thought there might be something to what my liberal professors were talking about until I entered the working world, which the left assiduously isolates itself from. Pretty much all of my family has followed suit.

So, congrats, left. You've alienated working-class Midwestern families -- literally "born and bred" Democrats -- who were the strongest supporters of what you originally stood for: race-blindness, free speech, and a voice for the working class. You traded that for race wars based on extremely flimsy pretexts, undermining what Dr. King fought for, championing obvious cynical hucksters like Al Sharpton. You ceded any moral authority you might have had against the old "family values" Protestant mainline by your totalitarian support of family perversion. And you eagerly undermine the American working class by importing millions of low-skilled workers -- illegally. Enjoy your little media cliques and "no awards" parties. I think you're about to find out that there's actually a lot of people living in "flyover country."

I'm definitely in for a Worldcon membership this year. I was never much of a scifi fan (more Tolkien, Lewis and Lovecraft), but "A Canticle for Leibowitz" is on my reading list -- although one wonders if it still qualifies as "science fiction" and not "magical realism." I will try to read everything nominated, but given the obvious attempts at social ostracism, the nature of the Hugos has been made clear, and I will entrust my voting choices to our dark lord. You have only yourselves to blame, SJWs. You created the puppies, and we've tasted blood.

Sorry for the off-topic rant.

Blogger byronfrombyron August 25, 2015 11:52 PM  

Re: PNH defending faggots. There was a time the Catholic Church would defend itself from heretics and false teachers WITH faggots. I am not the Judge, but I surely wish the Church would exercise the wherewithal to discipline people that claim her. Unfortunately, Benedict gave better odds on that than Francis will.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 25, 2015 11:56 PM  

P.S. I am currently drinking an Argentinian Malbec. Dreaming of the day it is SJW blood instead....

Argentinian Malbec is an excellent choice. Honestly, just let the SJW blood spill into the gutter. Wait, no, "drains to ocean"... don't want to pollute the water. Let the SJW blood water the sands of the desert. Nothing grows there anyway.

Drinking a Yakima table red myself.

Blogger Matthew August 26, 2015 12:21 AM  

Jack Shaftoe @216: "I truly think there is something worth saving in the Hugos"

Whoever would save the Hugos will lose them, but whoever would lose the Hugos ... will find them.

Blogger Matthew August 26, 2015 12:23 AM  

overcaffeinated @129,

Try some James Blish. A Case of Conscience or Black Easter.

Blogger epobirs August 26, 2015 12:43 AM  

Frank Wu's 'compromise' is an example of why it was necessary to nuke Japan. Compromise was not an acceptable option when the character of the enemy had been made so amply clear. The options were to annihilate the bulk of the enemy at great loss to our own side, or to demonstrate to that enemy that they could be wiped from existence at minimal cost to us and glorious final campaign for them. It was only after the defeated foe had shown a genuine change of character that they could be permitted to run their own affairs again.

The Sads tried to be nice. They got Nanking. Time to bring out the nukes in 2016.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 26, 2015 12:54 AM  

I just went for a walk, and honest to God, saw a real live otter in the suburban 'wild'. I take this as a sign.

Heck, I upended a piece of dock a couple weeks ago and flushed one.  Apparently they like my real estate.

Blogger IM2L844 August 26, 2015 12:55 AM  

I'm definitely in for a Worldcon membership this year.

I was just checking and it looks like it's $50 for a supporting membership and $170 for an attending membership if you purchase by September 30, 2015.

Anonymous Rolf August 26, 2015 1:20 AM  

*Scratches chin*

Let me get this straight. We can pack the noms with our slates, let THEM nuke everything, not buy attendance tickets (only supporting) and make them host a tiny and money-losing Hugo "award" spectacle with ZERO acceptance speeches, and we get our huge paper ($) packet of reading material for only $40.... They burn the awards down, we get cheap reading material, it's the most sparsely attended winner's party ever, and the "loser's party" has the one guy Vox sends to accept all possible awards that might win laughing at the CHORFs all night long.....

Ok, to be honest, guys, I'm failing to see the downside here.

Blogger Kirk Parker August 26, 2015 1:23 AM  

Rabbi @ 128,

Good suggestion... but... at least from my Android phone, when I get the mobile version of this site there are no comment numbers.

Blogger Matthew August 26, 2015 1:54 AM  

Kirk Parker,

It's because the comment numbers are an illusion produced by tricks with bad JavaScript. We're looking for better solutions.

Blogger Matthew August 26, 2015 1:56 AM  

So far as I can tell, we have no way to influence the mobile version of this blog in any way whatever.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite August 26, 2015 2:11 AM  

227. Rolf: "Ok, to be honest, guys, I'm failing to see the downside here."

The down-side is that it's not already next year, when the beatings will continue.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 26, 2015 2:58 AM  

@97. jakoye

I was vaguely aware of the SadRabidPuppies/HugoAwards imbroglio over the last year. I read a few articles, sided with the SadPuppies (RabidPuppies seemed too... ahem, radical), then forgot about it.
.... I realized that SadPuppies sympathy was not enough. Not only do I need to be an active puppy, I need to move to the more aggressive, the more radical, the more EFFECTIVE camp.

I am now a RabidPuppy. Instruct me as you will.

Hi jakoye. I'm in Seattle too and almost went, right up to the last minute. I'm net-glad I didn't bother.

Many others have come forward to express thoughts similar to yours on this blog since the Hugo Reveal. (It would be good to tally that up by going through those posts.)

As for what to do, I'll guess for now that various parties are quietly listening in on the post-burn rabbit chatter and the media lies (among other OODA things). The Reveal continues. As for Charlie Stross, I'll suggest to him that his next major teaching lesson will come sooner, rather than later. The vibe from the Aether told me that.

One brilliant, master-strategist SJW, who has apparently read his Lind, has provided some great advice for you-

Killing Vox Day: Part Two - What Kind of War?
While Vox is honest, he is not always correct. Only time will tell what timescale Vox is truly operating on. And while he may have the tenacity of a Jihadi, his supporters may not. So what does this mean - practically?

1). Castalia House's success and the success of Vox's other projects could potentially work against him. A successful business requires more attention than a failing business - success means expansion, expansion means an exponential increase in work.

For now, Castalia House's growth can be maintained on word of mouth - most of which is provided for free by his opponents. The more Castalia House grows (and businesses either grow or die), the more it will come to resemble a traditional publisher, with all of the weaknesses that implies. Besides, the more time Vox spends dealing with business headaches, the less time he has to spend on the ramparts, leading the battle.

Brilliant. I suggest starting with everything and anything William S. Lind has written. Give copies to you friends too. This will help bury CH/VD in money, thereby rendering them helpless. And please be sure not to learn anything at all from any of that or from anything else that has transpired around these parts: it might create another Vox Day, and another, and another.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 26, 2015 3:09 AM  

@232 lol, what a strategic genius. How did he know that Castalia, unlike all other businesses, is incapable of employing more staff? Blessed with a typical leftist lack of knowledge of how business actually works, I guess.

Anonymous Rolf August 26, 2015 3:15 AM  

@232 - maybe we should have a Seattle area puppy meetup. I'm just the other side of the pond in Redmond. Anyone else here in the region with interest?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop VFM #0167 August 26, 2015 3:33 AM  

@233. Shut up rabbit August 26, 2015 3:09 AM

@232 lol, what a strategic genius. How did he know that Castalia, unlike all other businesses, is incapable of employing more staff? Blessed with a typical leftist lack of knowledge of how business actually works, I guess.

Exactly what I thought. Sheesh. And of course there do not exist any minions who would be so vile, so faceless, as to actually consider it an honor and a duty to review manuscripts or proofread CH submissions. Sheesh^2. Maybe the Torlocks have such an army?

@234. Rolf August 26, 2015 3:15 AM

@232 - maybe we should have a Seattle area puppy meetup. I'm just the other side of the pond in Redmond. Anyone else here in the region with interest?

Fun idea, Rolf. My email is easy to find.

Anonymous Anonymous August 26, 2015 5:44 AM  

Appears the best thing is to tell the Brer Rabbits exactly what Vox is planning to do. They will, being liars who also manically project, assume you are lying and rush to carry out your plans before you do.

As a minion both faceless and vile I will miss the pleasure of lighting the match myself, but I will still dance on the bony embers.

Blogger Markku August 26, 2015 7:18 AM  

Besides, the more time Vox spends dealing with business headaches

Here's something triggering:

"Castalia House is not mine. I don't own it, I'm just the lead editor."

Vox will ALWAYS have time for you rabbits...

Blogger Markku August 26, 2015 7:23 AM  

A much more likely scenario is that growth leads to delegating more of the editing work, leaving MORE time for Vox to make rabbits hop for fun and profit.

Blogger SirHamster August 26, 2015 12:21 PM  

Appears the best thing is to tell the Brer Rabbits exactly what Vox is planning to do. They will, being liars who also manically project, assume you are lying and rush to carry out your plans before you do.

"We finished your plan before you could do it! How are you going to carry out your evil plan now, huh!?"

There is a strange logic to it ...

Anonymous 0007 August 26, 2015 12:46 PM  

Gonna have to buy more popcorn and Mexican coke here. Here's a question. Seeing as how the no award numbers seemed to be pretty much the same for all the categories, how can anyone be certain that a prog/demo wasn't counting the votes?

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Anonymous LurkingPuppy August 26, 2015 8:44 PM  

@129: (re Helsinki) Absolutely. SJW to the max.

Crud. So it'll be another booby prize, probably even more overtly vulgar than this year's metaphorical asshole with a metaphorical phallis sticking up through it.

In that case, I can no-award good stuff in good conscience.

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