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Sunday, September 06, 2015

Embrace your extremists

Nero explains some of the rules of ideological alliances to a moderate:
Winston Churchill once said, "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a positive reference to the Devil in the House of Commons." The logic of this should be obvious. Churchill recognized (rightly) that maintaining Britain's liberal order was worth allying with the devil. No one went to war with the Nazis just because of the tactics they used. They primarily did it because they couldn't stand the idea of living under a Nazi regime. I can't stand the thought of living under what Cathy calls the "quasi-totalitarian" Social Justice regime. And I will pay any price necessary to make sure that quasi-totalitarian ideology is defeated and sent back to the urine-soaked faculty lounge from whence it came.

Cathy confuses what is prudent with what is moral when she says that rejecting certain far-right allies doesn't count as appeasing the Left. Certainly, taking on allies who alienate the vast majority of people you're trying to persuade is tactically stupid. But purging people when they have done nothing to damage your cause, but happen to have made you uncomfortable because of something unrelated, is simply cowardly. There is a very troubling tendency among many Gamergaters to believe that anyone to the right of Noam Chomsky is somehow "icky" or should be held responsible for the sins of Jack Thompson. This isn't the early 2000s. Most conservatives have moved on from the stupid anti-video game craze, and the ones who are most loudly on Gamergate's side generally never bought into that craze in the first place. Refusing to accept support from people who would destroy your ability to maintain your coalition is one thing. Simple bigotry against conservatives because you don't like the idea of being on the same side as people you laughed at on the Daily Show is quite another.

I agree completely with Cathy re Nyberg, so I won't respond to this prong. I will, however, only say that Social Justice Warriors take no notice of the difference between "combatants" and "non-combatants," which is typical of fascists and terrorists. The only way to stop such people from targeting non-combatants is to make them afraid to do so, because they know the retaliation from you will hurt so much more than anything they could do. Mutually assured destruction requires the commitment of both sides to destruction if the other starts something, and it is why we have yet to see a nuclear war. If you want to stop people using bad tactics, the only way to do it is to make them prohibitively costly. And the only way to do that is to use the same tactics with such brutal efficiency that they cry "uncle" and agree to a ceasefire.
As I have noted on several occasions, for reasons unbeknownst to me, moderates are always more focused on firing on their own side than on the enemy. They are also always more open to negotiation and dialogue with the enemy than with their own extremists.

This is one of the reasons why moderates never accomplish anything. Ideally, moderates would stay out of the way, let the extremists lead the charge, and then show up after the victory is won and handle the negotiations using the extremists as leverage.

"Do you want to surrender to me or do I stand aside and watch as my very good friend here follows through on his promise of no quarter?" Accepting surrender is the true and proper role of the moderate. Policing those engaged in positive action is not.

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Blogger Markku September 07, 2015 11:31 AM  

Also, note that the word "he" is in italics in KJV in John 18:6. It means that it is an added word to make the English flow better. Actually the text just says "I am", which is also the name of God. This was probably a very intentional double entendre from Jesus.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 07, 2015 1:14 PM  

@92 "If you adopt your enemies' principles, then there is no principled difference between your enemies and yourself: you are what you fight; you are what you hate; you are what you condemn; you are what you do."

Except for one very important difference. If you win, your enemy is dead, and you are still alive. Anyone who is not satisfied with this outcome should not go to war.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 07, 2015 1:19 PM  

" we used to have a problem of Mormons constantly baiting a discussion in such a way that it always turned into a discussion about Mormonism."

Gee, glad that could never happen again. (yes, I have a big, drunken, Irish, shit eating grin about now)

Anonymous Stg58 / Animal Mother #225 September 07, 2015 1:22 PM  

Markku,

AMEN! Jesus was demonstrating His power, who was in charge, and that anything they did to him was because He allowed them.

I hoped for years they would make a movie with that scene. When The Passion came out I was stoked to see that scene come to life, then they totally ignored Scripture. I was pissed. They also made the veil of the temple look like a shower curtain. What a waste.

Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 3:19 PM  

161. JB: Infiltrating SJW organizations is difficult because they are a low-trust culture. They are always looking under your fingernails for heresy. They have innumerable little codes that signal status amongst themselves, and any honest healthy man will give himself away quickly. They live for this shit. It IS their life.

Anonymous Discard September 07, 2015 3:21 PM  

FWIW, the Germans could not have crossed the channel without destroying the Royal Navy first.

Anonymous Spirit of 76 September 07, 2015 4:04 PM  

Gamergate is infested with SJW sympathisers, i.e., full of potential entryists, already. Once the victory is sounded, the purge of non-marxist elements will begin and be concluded swiftly. It will probably, at that point, become organized, and talk alot about "its" victories while whitewashing a whole lot of the people who contributed.

It is a good model of 4GW, but you have to remember very clearly who your allies actually are; they're not always the whole group of folks who happen to be shooting at this moment's enemy.

This calls to mind the list of institutions that need to be supplanted by non-entryists organizations. In my opinion gamergate, while useful for now, is one of them.

Blogger Elder Son September 07, 2015 4:52 PM  

The enemy of my enemy is my friend who is my enemy.

Okay. They had since 3-2011 to current to figure this out. Remember all those CIA-ISIS convoys of captured military hardware and brand new Toyota pick-ups in mass convoys that never got strafed by NATO/US combat aircraft? What have all our Satellites been doing since 2011? Naw.

"These will be reconnaissance and intelligence flights,” Hollande said. “We want to know where the training and command sites are."

Oh, but wait.

"I’ve asked the minister of defense to begin reconnaissance flights over Syria from tomorrow that would allow for strikes against the Islamic State,” Hollande said at a press conference in Paris on Monday. Hollande, who ruled out sending troops, said Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is an impediment to peace in the country."

Now, you just have to ask. How is Assad an impediment to peace? Don’t know the answer? Because he isn’t dead. If he was dead, and his army was dead, what would the new Syrian government look like? Isn’t Assad fighting the various flavors of the CIA-ISIS? If Assad is fighting the various flavors of CIA-ISIS, and France/US/NATO is fighting the various flavors of CIA-ISIS, how can Assad be the impediment of peace?

France Prepares To Bomb Syria In Retaliation For Refugee Crisis - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/france-prepares-bomb-syria-retaliation-refugee-crisis

Still trying to figure the Iran “nuke” deal? Stalling. But then, who would have thought that John Kerry would warn Putin to stay out of Syria… right AFTER the Iran “nuke” deal? - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/5/john-kerry-russian-build-up-in-syria-could-further/ - And how can Russia be our enemy if it is fighting… oh yeah… CIA-ISIS? I guess CIA-ISIS won’t be moving into Iran anytime soon through Iraq… being bogged up in Syria, huh? Face it, Obama and NATO are being out-witted and out-classed. If only Obama and NATO can get Putin bogged down in Ukraine… and lose their Black Sea… Fleet? Oops.

"We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." – Karl Rove

The Syrian refugee crisis wasn’t caused by Assad. It was caused by US/NATO meddling. It really amazes me how easy it is to mind-Puck Americans.

It’s mind boggling that Americans can’t figure this stuff out. But then again, their government has the citizens eyes so far up CIA-ISIS butt… with US/NATO collateral damage… Look! Over there!

Blogger John Williams September 07, 2015 5:40 PM  

And his buddy would put a bullet in yours.
That's why you need to shoot them all. It's the right thing to do. It's what Bane would do. It's why the moderate Muslims will suffer the fate of the extremists in the years to come.

Blogger Unknown September 07, 2015 6:55 PM  

This was too predictable to achieve a chuckle. A knowing smirk and a mandatory heck yeah, but nothing more, sorry.

Blogger IM2L844 September 08, 2015 12:32 AM  

Checking back too late, but since I wasn't clear earlier for Markku and bornagainpenguin, I was responding to Log's assertion that "If you keep Jesus's sayings, you will not resist evil, but do good to them that hate you" by attempting to show that Jesus wasn't some meek little peacenik. That's all. I'll try to be more clear in the future.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2015 2:16 PM  

@131 Anthony Gillis, the Hydra-Headed Mockery

I might disagree with Vox on any number of issues, but I post here, and I've gotten active here because he's one of the few willing to wade right into the flames with sword raised high, and I'll never turn my fire on him or anyone else fighting the SJWs.
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Well said.

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