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Friday, November 20, 2015

Peaceful and tolerant people

So much for the idea that Donald Trump can't beat Hillary Clinton:
An acid-tongued Hillary Clinton ripped into conservatives on Thursday for what she said was an 'obsession in some quarters' with the notion that the global spread of terrorism is a byproduct of the Muslim faith, denying that the two are connected in any way.

'Islam itself is not our adversary,' the former secretary of state said during a campaign speech outlining her foreign policy objectives.

'Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.'
If Trump wins the Republican nomination, I would expect we're going to be seeing those words frequently over the next 12 months.

Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.'
- Hillary Clinton

It's rather astonishing. Hillary Clinton may actually be a worse presidential candidate than Bob Dole and John McCain. It must be the Democrats' turn to throw the election.


Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, ten or so peaceful and tolerant people who have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism have attacked a Radisson hotel in Mali and hold 170 hostages there.

UPDATE: Le Monde reports that the Malian security ministry has confirmed three deaths so far in the siege.

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Blogger RL (#0052) November 20, 2015 5:17 AM  

What a breathtaking lie. How much do the Saudis pay to have Hillary speak in public anyway?

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 November 20, 2015 5:19 AM  

Agree. Complete delusion.

Blogger Cinco November 20, 2015 5:30 AM  

VD, whatever you do, just don't make a prediction...

Blogger Markku November 20, 2015 5:32 AM  

Better idea: Vox should predict that Hillary will be president.

Blogger Raziel Walker November 20, 2015 5:34 AM  

Most christians are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Some christians are extemist terrorists.
Most muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Some muslims are extremist terrorists.

As Trump said, not all mexican's are rapists.
But with 1.5 billion muslims if 0.1 % counts as extremist you are talking about 1.5 million terrorists. Which is more as the US has soldiers.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 20, 2015 5:38 AM  

The more I watch this circus, the more I think Anonymous Conservative has it exactly right: Hillary is suffering an amygdalae hijack in front of our eyes and she's not the only rabbit to do so (Merkel). Free resources have been so abundant and public approval of their actions has been so easily obtained that the mere hint of restriction of either has driven them over the edge into a state of frenzied doubling down to prove reality wrong by shrill repetition.

Tldr: rabbits gonna rabbit.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 5:41 AM  

I want to kill one very prominent main stream meme right here and now:-

"home grown terrorism"

Let's kill this stone dead forever. It's not "home" grown. It is not my home, it is not your home. It is what naturally grows in and out of Islam, if read literally. It is what grows in Islam; grows with Islam; grows from Islam. Islam is not my home, it is not my parent's home or their parent's home. It is not "us", it is not "we the people" it is not the West. It is not two thousand years of European Jurisprudence. Islam is not my responsibility, I didn't write it, promulgate it, aid or abet, it's spread. Is this too ambiguous to print?

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 20, 2015 5:43 AM  

Does John Kerry think this latest group has a "legitimate" reason for their attack? e.g. did a Jew once stay at that hotel?

Blogger Wayne November 20, 2015 6:01 AM  

If either Trump, Carson or Cruz get the GOP nomination, expect the establishment GOP and the donor class to silently back Hillary thinking that she might not be their first choice as a candidate but at least she can be bought. In this scenario the establishment GOP will not openly back her but will not lift a finger to help the GOP nominee win. However, it won't matter since the GOP base doesn't care about or listen to these people anyway. Go Trump!

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 20, 2015 6:02 AM  

This is from an Egyptian Muslim so moderate he is already being thrown American campuses

In my childhood I was told that every day that passes on the Islamic nation without a caliphate is a sin. That the failures and miseries of the Muslim world started the moment we gave up conquests and wars against the infidels. That our prosperity depends on conquering new lands, converting new believers, looting new resources and enslaving more women. I was taught that a Jew is essentially a demon in flesh and that it is our destiny as good Muslims to kill them all. I was regularly fueled by battle stories and stories of lethal feuds of seventh century Arabia. It was not just me, a small child in Cairo, who was raised with these great apocalyptic prophecies, it was also so many people from all around the globe...

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 6:12 AM  

Some christians are extemist terrorists.

Name two.

Anonymous 0007 November 20, 2015 6:22 AM  

Give her a break there, VD, ask her to total up the number of Christian terrorist acts(and victims) in the last 500 years as opposed to the number of muz terrorist acts(and victims) in the last 100 years...

Blogger pdwalker November 20, 2015 6:35 AM  

wow. that's a whopper, even by her standards.

Anonymous Aachen November 20, 2015 6:37 AM  

@12

I asked a German girl a similar question last year and her response was "GWB and I know this because I am a Christian too"

Idiot...

Anonymous Aachen November 20, 2015 6:45 AM  

This from Hillary along with her comments in the debate on Obamacare will come back to bite. Still the GOPe are pulling out the daggers for Trump. I read the Colorado(?) GOP recently changed their primary laws in an attempt undermine Trump.

Blogger rumpole5 November 20, 2015 6:46 AM  

@ Phillip George ... Amen, Brother George!

Blogger FALPhil November 20, 2015 7:01 AM  

@5 Some christians [sic] are extremist terrorists.

Logical fallacy. By definition, a terrorist cannot be a true Christian. Conversely, raping, killing, and enslaving is part of the Mohammedan theology.

Sadly, there are a lot of people who call themselves "Christian" who have no idea what it means to be a Christian. The same cannot be said of Mohammedism.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 7:23 AM  

Logical fallacy. By definition, a terrorist cannot be a true Christian. Conversely, raping, killing, and enslaving is part of the Mohammedan theology.

Don't play the No True Christian game. That's foolish. It is much better to get them to identify any terrorist claiming to be a Christian.

Anonymous 334 November 20, 2015 7:36 AM  

@18.

I agree, Vox, but the problem is that it'll be the media definition of Christian, not ours or even the terrorist's. Breivik claims to be "100% Christian", but "not excessively religious" -- meaning, as he later puts it, a "cultural Christian" rather than a believer.

That expands the definition of "Christian" somewhat, I'd say ...

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 7:38 AM  

Here's a political prediction: the left-stream-media will enlarge Orwell's Memory Hole to the size of Earth's moon in a naked ploy to install H. Clinton in the White House.

Blogger Markku November 20, 2015 7:39 AM  

Breivik also explicitly said that he doesn't think that God actually exists.

Blogger Markku November 20, 2015 7:40 AM  

I should still have the manifesto somewhere on my computer, I'll find the quote later.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 7:40 AM  

If HTC is courting a foaming at the mouth breakdown, let us all join hands and PUSH.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 7:42 AM  

Re: Yesterday's refugee bill:


Instapundit is reporting it as a veto-proof majority. I guess they round up; my calculation is 66.8%. So maybe it doesn't do at lot, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 7:43 AM  

Cuckservatives gonna cuck.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 20, 2015 7:48 AM  

I agree with the above statement, push them to double down. Obviously they are beyond reason and the old Cuck and Con procedure of reasonable tolerant compassionate debate is fail beyond measure, so force the cult to double down. It is called "auto delegitimize."

Anonymous 334 November 20, 2015 8:04 AM  

@22.

I wouldn't count him either, Markku, but he will certainly be ascribed to us.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 8:04 AM  

> It's rather astonishing. Hillary Clinton may actually be a worse presidential candidate than Bob Dole and John McCain.

She is, but the D voters don't care. They won't stay home like conservatives will. If the R's put up Jeb or any of the other establishment names, they'll lose. If Trump, Cruz, or Carson gets the nomination, they may win, but not if the R establishment can help it.

Blogger Raziel Walker November 20, 2015 8:07 AM  

@VD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jennings_Hill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Charles_Kopp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Salvi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gary_Matson_and_Winfield_Mowder

And sure Breivik is a christian terrorist. He identifies as christian. He is a terrorist.
I wouldn't count him as christian terrorist though since I believe his attack was motivated by his right-wing anti-muslim beliefs and not his religion.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 8:15 AM  

> But with 1.5 billion muslims if 0.1 % counts as extremist you are talking about 1.5 million terrorists. Which is more as the US has soldiers.

And if it's 20%, or 30%, or 40%.... Then what?

Anonymous 334 November 20, 2015 8:20 AM  

@5. @29.

Implicit in your original comment is the truth that the number of terrorists who have self-identified as Christian vs those who self-identified as Muslim is microscopic. I'd suggest the percentage of Christians involved in terrorism (by even the broadest, most inclusive definition of "Christian") is likewise infinitesimal.

So while the first two sentences in that comment may be technically true, they set up a false equivalency that is more than a little irritating and misrepresents the situation. It's a concession we don't need.

Blogger Southern Man November 20, 2015 8:24 AM  

It's pretty clear that the GOP would rather lose this election than run an actual conservative. They and the Dems are just two sides of the same liberal, statist, big-government coin.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 8:26 AM  

as I've been saying.. Hillary is so bad... any of the conservative type candidates will destroy her. Trump.. Cruz.. Rand... Hell even Huckabee would just murder her in an election.

Anything that will actually move the base of the party will beat Hillary. Only someone like Jeb would fall to her.

Anonymous YR November 20, 2015 8:26 AM  

@ Raziel Walker
2+2+2+1+2+2=11

Now, how does that compare to Islamic terrorism?
(I did not check whether they were actually Christians)

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 8:34 AM  

It's pretty clear that the GOP would rather lose this election than run an actual conservative. They and the Dems are just two sides of the same liberal, statist, big-government coin.

The last actual conservative running for POTUS was Goldwater; conservative principles don't win elections when times are fat and the electorate is morbidly obese. The GOP has served the Deep State as the Libertarian Party Lite; both existed solely for the purpose of diverting all the energies of reform into meaningless blind alleys and holding patterns.

Political Reform is an oxymoron. As the Tea Party debacle proved, any attempt within the political establishment to change the structure of the political plantation will be co-opted, bought-off, or directed into meaningless activity.

Those who can't see this also can't feel that hairy arm rammed bicep-deep so that they can be worked like sock puppets.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 8:34 AM  

Odd... nothing on Wikipedia says Salvi was a christian.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 8:37 AM  

And sure Breivik is a christian terrorist. He identifies as christian.

No, he identifies as culturally Christian. He is an agnostic or atheist.

Also, none of those terrorists are active. Name two ACTIVE Christian terrorists. Or even two existing Christian terrorist groups.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 8:38 AM  

Also..eric rudolph isn't a christian either. The Church of Isreal is crazy off shoot of a crazy off shoot of the mormon church.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados November 20, 2015 8:41 AM  

Hillary is extremely weak. Trump will demolish her easily when it comes time to run against her. Trump actually comes out of all the horrific stuff in Paris this past weekend smelling like roses seeing as he predicted all of this stuff happening, and now that we have confirmed Syrians crossing the border into the country illegally to do God knows what, that's only gonna push is numbers up even more.

And I mean the internal polls the campaigns use, not the public polls that are put out to mold public opinion. Even those are showing him ahead, which probably means internally the real polls are showing him mopping the floor with everyone, inside the GOP and outside.

Still, if something like Paris happens here in the US, now that we have had fair warning of it, and our politicians had an opportunity to act in the best interest of the country and its citizens, then I don't think that's going to go over well here like it did in Paris. I don't think you all fully realize HOW pissed off people in this country are, and how much of it is with the politicians across the board, hence why someone like Trump does so well (and at the local levels in government the same is happening, but you don't hear too much about that because the aim is to flush the career politicians from government entirely, not to simply keep playing the game of political hot potato between D and R).

If something like Paris happens here, that WILL push this country into enacting Article V, and then the Federal Government is toast.

Blogger Rabbi B November 20, 2015 8:42 AM  

You intolerant bastards just need to learn how to be moresensitive and understanding. You know, more like a woman.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 20, 2015 8:43 AM  

She didn't misspeak. She is defining the terms she uses. She like her people always say the opposite of what they mean. To her, you and I are the terrorists for wanting freedom and not bowing down to a useless power hungry old hag like her. You can't talk to witches, but fortunately they're flammable.
Everything they say is a lie. Peace is War, Freedom is Slavery, Prosperity is Poverty, etc. The only thing you know for sure is that they're lying. They never tell the truth. The truth hurts them. Take a good look at them and their lives and you can see why. They SUCK.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 8:43 AM  

She is, but the D voters don't care. They won't stay home like conservatives will.

The dead vote in Chicago and always will so long as the triangle formed by the Federal Building, Thompson State of IL Building and Chicago City Hall is the express gate to hell (i.e., forever.) Diebold machines insure that if the Deep State consensus is HRC, she'll be "elected."

American Mythology is pretty threadbare (e.g., "we" live in the "freest country" despite blatantly unconstitutional "civil asset forfeiture" and blatantly unconstitutional unequal treatment before the law of minority preferences) but it's still way beyond the pale for most Americans to imagine that elections could be decided by who holds to keys to the voting machines.

Blogger Raziel Walker November 20, 2015 8:44 AM  

@36 wikipedia links to http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/salvi/salviscript.html http://www.publiceye.org/rightist/salvi.html
Those articles give a pretty strong implication that Salvi was christian.

Blogger Ron November 20, 2015 8:45 AM  

Only one of those possibly qualifies as terrorism. The rest are individual acts of murder. Not terrorism. Being from Missouri, the Church of Israel is a fruitcake cult. Not Christian.

Blogger IsMishe November 20, 2015 8:46 AM  

"ONE WEEK AFTER THE DEADLY terror attack in Paris, gunmen, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar,’ storm the Radisson Blu hotel in Mali’s capital, killing at least three and taking over 170 hostage, freeing those who were able to recite verses from the Koran."

I'm sure Hildebeast will explain the motives behind this later. Perhaps rogue Amish separatists?

Anonymous A Visitor November 20, 2015 8:50 AM  

@4 Right Markku! Vox, predict Hillary will be #45. Come on brah!

@28 It reminds me of a conversation I had with my dad yesterday. I was dismayed to see Mia Love endorse Rubio. He asked, "Well, [name redacted] who do you want?!?" I responded, "Trump."

I think he's slowly coming around to the idea that Trump should be the nominee. Look at the poll showing he'd beat Hillary 48-42%. Now, I don't know the margin of error on that one so it may be a tie.

@32 If they put up someone else besides Trump or Cruz, I'll agree.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 8:53 AM  

I don't think you all fully realize HOW pissed off people in this country are,

Agreed, but those who have something to lose (job, home, "retirement savings,") will not act. Dindu riots in the street because to him there's not much difference between prison and not-prison.

The rage is there among white mechanics, white doctors, white nurses, white salesmen, white mail carriers, white OTR truckers, etc., but that reservoir of rage will simply keep filling until the financial system breaks.

There is no larger metaphorical dam awaiting a catastrophe than this. Fifty years of compound growth in being told "we're the bad guys" even as we are the engine of modern comfort and high living standards, while deviance and criminality are excused, then celebrated, has filled an ocean of rage and resentment as large as the ocean of IOU's has filled with promises that can't be kept.

I'm tired of the propaganda. I'd like to see those producing it have their faces ripped off. So in a sense I do look forward to the end of this antebellum period. Peace and tranquility exist today only at the cost of sanity.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 8:53 AM  

"Not terrorism. Being from Missouri, the Church of Israel is a fruitcake cult"

yeah... but they have a battle on their emblem... so I have to admit.. even if they are crazy mormons they can't be all that bad.

Blogger clk November 20, 2015 9:00 AM  

Just to play the devils advocate ---

LRA, KKK, NLFT, CRF, AN, CIM

has it been so long that we forget Northern Ireland ? The Orange men, The IRA...

The problem is one groups terrorists is another groups freedom fighters -- just look at the characterization of the early Americans during the revolutionary war in the eyes of the British and those damn rebel terrorists during the War of Southern Aggression...:)

But Christianity is further ahead on the civilization curve -- Islam if given another 500-1000 years .. who knows what it will be like.... could be wonderful, could be a shit hole .. I am learning towards the last but with any luck I wont live that long..

Blogger JartStar November 20, 2015 9:02 AM  

Hillary is a terrible, unlikable candidate but due to demographics she's almost certainly going to win.

Blogger horsewithnonick November 20, 2015 9:06 AM  

So reply, "okay, so that's two..."

Blogger natschuster November 20, 2015 9:07 AM  

I would like to know where the moderate Moslims who codemn Islamic terror. Christians denounced terror acts done by other Christians. A while back there was a man named Rabbi Meir Kahane who said that Jews should do what ever is necessary to defend themselves. He became a pariah in the Jewish community. He even spent time in jail. Why aren't the moderate Moslims preaching peace and non-violence in their mosques.

Blogger Raziel Walker November 20, 2015 9:08 AM  

@37 seems like you are now moving goalposts. Next up will be a minimum number of deaths or damage?

My point is that the majority of muslims are not terrorists.
What are you trying to make clear? Do you believe that christian terrorists are nonexistent? Or is it about how christian terrorism is insignificant compared the muslim terrorism?

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 9:08 AM  

"Hillary is a terrible, unlikable candidate but due to demographics she's almost certainly going to win."

Demographics are why she is going to lose. A Dem can't win without the millennials... and the millennials don't care about Hillary. Hillary is old. Millennials only care about the New - Hotness. They'll stay home or vote for Trump if he wins the nomination.

Thus.. the dems can't win with Hillary unless the GOP also runs a candidate that kills the base.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 9:13 AM  

@53

Actually I think the argument is that while you can find terrorists who are Christian, it is much harder to find any who are motivated by Christianity. Whereas approximately 100% of Islamic terrorist groups are motivated at least in part by Islam.

The major ones: Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, ISIS, and al Qaida, are all highly Islamic. What Christian counterparts do they have?

There are very likely more environmentalist terrorist groups than there are Christian ones. I know of two.

Anonymous Bobby Trosclair November 20, 2015 9:20 AM  

The Provisional Irish Republican Army did not conduct a religious war. The conversion of the members of the Ulster Volunteer Force, or the acceptance of the True Presence in the Eucharist or the literal ascension of Mary into Heaven by the Protestant residents of Belfast was never on PIRA's list of demands. What demands they had were political or military.

Religion used as a marker of cultural identity doesn't qualify as a religious war or as a terrorist cause, anymore than different dialects between combatants makes war a "linguistic" war.

The more committed PIRA members were usually Marxists and as such, atheists, anyway.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 9:30 AM  

@56

Indeed. That particular conflict was much more 'nationalist' than 'religious'.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 9:35 AM  

Hillary is a terrible, unlikable candidate but due to demographics she's almost certainly going to win.

Not while she's defending jihadists. Even hard-core left-wing feminists don't want to get blown up.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 9:41 AM  

@58

When even the pundits on MSNBC are incredulous that Obama thinks his strategy is working and nothing needs to change, I thin Hillary is in trouble.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 9:42 AM  

"Not while she's defending jihadists. Even hard-core left-wing feminists don't want to get blown up."

Oh Vox... come now... you're talking about the people who get eaten by bears because they thought bears would love them if they were just nice enough.

cognative dissonance is real.

not the nutty feminazis will vote for her no matter what. But they'll be the only ones. Unions will go Trump the way they did for Reagan.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 9:46 AM  

@60


....Hmmm. You know, after the Keystone veto, they just might.

Blogger Rez Zircon November 20, 2015 9:48 AM  

We need to point out more of these Islamic terrorism incidents worldwide. Make it evident to all that jihadists aren't just attacking Western targets. As someone recently pointed out, the reason these incidents don't make the news is that for a lot of the world, they're just business as usual. They're not rare and shocking as they are for the West... but maybe they can be used to defibrillate the West.

Blogger Markku November 20, 2015 9:48 AM  

Ok, I checked the relevant portions out. Quote:

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I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;

“Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”

Perhaps this is true for many cases. Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my agenda as well.

If praying will act as an additional mental boost/soothing it is the pragmatical thing to do. I guess I will find out... If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past.

---

So, agnostic, obviously.

Blogger B.J. November 20, 2015 9:49 AM  

-Christians have bake sales, muslims have jihad.
-Christians write letters to the newspaper, muslims kill everyone at the newspaper.
-Christians say pray and be forgiven, muslims say pray or die.
-Christians excommunicate, muslims decapitate.

Yeah they're pretty much the same.

Blogger Student in Blue November 20, 2015 9:53 AM  

There's a difference between "nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism." and "well the majority aren't actively terrorists."

There was a picture I saw recently of what looked like a ten-year-old kid somewhere in the Middle East holding a severed head, and other people just standing around smiling and taking pictures.

If the kid hold the severed head was ISIS, then the people standing around smiling are the "moderate" muslims.

>Paul Jennings Hill
"Following the shots, Hill laid his shotgun on the ground and waited to be arrested."

Yes, sounds entirely like someone trying to spread terror and not specifically trying to kill one guy.

>Eric Rudolph
"As a teenager Rudolph was taken by his mother to a Church of Israel compound in 1984."

Cult that teaches stuff not found in the Bible or uttered by a Pope or any other religious leader, unlike Imams and the Koran.

"Christian Identity is a white nationalist sect that holds that those who are not white Christians can not be saved.[25]"

I mean, that's straight-up ahistorical and against what Jesus Himself said.

In contrast, "fundamentalist Muslims" are simply taking the Koran literally.

>James Charles Kopp
Literally kept saying "I didn't mean to kill him, just wound him."

Contrast with, oh, the hundreds of Muslim terrorists who *have* clearly intended to kill people?

>"Assassination" of George Tiller
For one, assassination is when you kill someone prominent. George Tiller was (yet another) abortion doctor, which is starting to become a strange pattern here - "Christian" "terrorists" targeting only those people who perform abortions. Hm. Also the only statement on his religion is from his bipolar wife who thought he had schizophrenia. Very reliable.

>John Salvi

Already pointed out he wasn't Christian.

>Murder of Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder

Linked to Christian Identity again, which is not even Christian by definition.

Blogger Student in Blue November 20, 2015 9:56 AM  

So yeah, hate to be like Thordaddy, but these "Christian" "terrorists" are not even in the same ballpark as their Muslim counterparts, in number, scope, and faith to original scripture.

Blogger JartStar November 20, 2015 9:57 AM  

Two words: Hispanic vote.

I agree with Nate, the cognitive dissonance is still too strong. For goodness sake France is letting in 33,000 more Syrians after the attacks. Cause and effect is too tough of a concept for some.

Nate every poll I've seen shows the millennials are overwhelmingly liberal and vote Democrat. Sometimes that doesn't translate to the presidential vote though.

Blogger Positive Dennis November 20, 2015 9:58 AM  

Eric Rudolph does not claim to be a Christian. Look at his life, apart from the bombings it just doesn't fit.
Breivik is culturally Christian but I read where he says he is agnostic.

Blogger Baloo November 20, 2015 10:02 AM  

Excellent. Reprinted here:
Even Hillary can't be THIS ditzy, can she?
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2015/11/war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-muslims.html

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 10:03 AM  

Two words: Hispanic vote.

Four words: Hispanics don't like Muslims.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

Oh Vox... come now... you're talking about the people who get eaten by bears because they thought bears would love them if they were just nice enough.

You guys REALLY don't understand how the security vote works. Very, very few people will let themselves get eaten by bears. A lot talk as if they will, as long as they don't believe they will ever see a bear.

Remember, nothing has happened here yet. Attacks in France and Mali are still over there. We won't see the visible change until after the next attack in the USA. But the fact that Trump rose in the polls after Paris indicates that it is already happening.

Blogger David-093 November 20, 2015 10:06 AM  

@Jartstar

White Millennial men and women voted majority for Mitt Romney. I haven't found a divided up poll like that for Trump, but I strongly suspect the numbers will be even higher for Trump. He's killing it with Republican Millennials (3-1).

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2015 10:07 AM  

@60
cognitive dissonance is real.


It amazes me how just absolutely eager some people suddenly are to have Muslim refugees from Syria in our country. People who up until now have expressed literally zero opinion on Muslim terrorism within my social groups, but who are suddenly lining up on either side of this argument.

Some of them are just bleeding heart Christians all worried that we aren't appearing "compassionate" enough, but one odd thing I notice is how it has drawn out the moderate agnostics. I see moderates who are even pro-Republican fairly foaming at the mouth, posting link after link on Facebook about how a) it is disgusting for Christians not to show compassion and b) there's absolutely *nothing* to worry about because you are missing the more sophisticated rational arguments about Islam.

But the eagerness to have the Muzzies here is what amazes me. What is that to them? They have never expressed interest in helping out any other downtrodden group, much less the Middle East Christians.

Blogger Markku November 20, 2015 10:10 AM  

But the eagerness to have the Muzzies here is what amazes me. What is that to them? They have never expressed interest in helping out any other downtrodden group, much less the Middle East Christians.

It eats them inside that Christianity is true and that they are going to hell, and therefore simply out of childish spite they are for everything that Christians are against, and against everything that Christians are for.

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2015 10:11 AM  

@71 VD November 20, 2015 10:05 AM

Oh Vox... come now... you're talking about the people who get eaten by bears because they thought bears would love them if they were just nice enough.

You guys REALLY don't understand how the security vote works. Very, very few people will let themselves get eaten by bears. A lot talk as if they will, as long as they don't believe they will ever see a bear.

Remember, nothing has happened here yet. Attacks in France and Mali are still over there. We won't see the visible change until after the next attack in the USA. But the fact that Trump rose in the polls after Paris indicates that it is already happening.


Well until a major attack happens close to home, I'm not so convinced, Vox. I am unable to explain the phenomenon I am seeing among my Christian and moderate friends any other way. It's all just an airy wave of the hand to them: "It's worth the risk to show compassion" and that kind of crap.

I'd say my Christian friends are just about split in half on this issue. Bizarre.

Blogger Positive Dennis November 20, 2015 10:11 AM  

It would also be beneficial to remove those with mental illnesses from any list of Christian terrorists.

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2015 10:12 AM  

@74. Markku November 20, 2015 10:10 AM

But the eagerness to have the Muzzies here is what amazes me. What is that to them? They have never expressed interest in helping out any other downtrodden group, much less the Middle East Christians.

It eats them inside that Christianity is true and that they are going to hell, and therefore simply out of childish spite they are for everything that Christians are against, and against everything that Christians are for.


I would understand if they were liberal atheists, but I'm talking about moderate Christians and agnostics, or just not-so-religious people.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:18 AM  

I've only read the OP, but this topic has been rocking over at brietbart since yesterday.

It has been a glorious place to practice rhetoric, and even fish for trolls, etc.

Here's a few that I've come up with so far:

Hitlery please tell us more about the republican war on women.
*as Isis rapes and sells thousands of women into slavery*

You have to pass the bill to see whats in it - Nancy Baloney
You have to let in 100 thousands of invaders to see if Isis is in them - Hitlery Clinton

Mad Cow disease - it's brutal to watch someone wither away under it's terrible clutches.

Muslims are peaceful and tolerant. But those blasted comedy club people are terrorists. This is the wonderful world of Hitlery.

Hitlery, please be a good little muslim and COVER YOUR FACE


I'm gonna swipe your new meme and use it, if that's ok :P

Blogger natschuster November 20, 2015 10:19 AM  

@53: RW:

It seems that the majority of Moslims give tacit, or even overt support to the terrorists. That's different than the Christians. See, if we let 100,000 Moslims in, even if only 1000 of them are terrorists, if the other 90,000 aid and abet the terrorists, then it will make it a lot easier for the terrorists to do acts of terror.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:23 AM  

@ Stilicho #0066
The more I watch this circus, the more I think Anonymous Conservative has it exactly right: Hillary is suffering an amygdalae hijack in front of our eyes and she's not the only rabbit to do so (Merkel).
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It's possibly true. Another rhetorical angle I've been (so far unsuccessfully) attempting is - Why do these old lefty hags look like ventriloquist dummies?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:25 AM  

7. Phillip George November 20, 2015 5:41 AM
I want to kill one very prominent main stream meme right here and now:-

"home grown terrorism"
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Yes, this should be part of the arguments surrounding the "posterity" of the US. Islam has nothing to offer in our society, and letting them culturally appropriate their way in is Treason.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:28 AM  

@12 0007
Give her a break there, VD, ask her to total up the number of Christian terrorist acts(and victims) in the last 500 years as opposed to the number of muz terrorist acts(and victims) in the last 100 years...
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Make it very easy. Ask for those totals over the last month.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 20, 2015 10:29 AM  

@73


That amazes me too. A friend of mine is an LGBT-ally (whatever you want to call them), and you wouldn't believe how hard it was to get it through her head that Muslims don't like any of those people. As in, "the only nations in the world where homosexuality is a capital offense" kind of "don't like".

Her response? "Just because their leaders are crazy doesn't mean the people are". So I showed her the "Muslims support sharia law" polls of the Middle East, one of which showed something like 97% of them want sharia to be/remain the basis of all law in Islamic countries, and that all 13 of those countries are sharia-compliant.

That shut her up. For about 10 minutes. Then she links Obama's "compassion" speech on her FB page and I kind of throw up my hands and say "and when you get assaulted by a group of Muslims for not wearing a veil (she's actually pretty good-looking if you don't mind girls a bit on the chubby side), don't come crying to me".

I've always been an atheist, but she used to be Christian. It's actually her reaction that convinces me that born-again atheists have a lot more resentment of religion in general than people like me, but what strikes me is that she doesn't seem to think that these people actually believe this stuff. I think it's a defense mechanism - she now regards religious belief negatively, and is trying to convince herself that she didn't really believe before, because her new beliefs make her feel guilty about it.

So I think what people like her really want to believe is that Islam is a top-down religion, and the people at the bottom don't believe as strongly as the people on the top, which means they could potentially be positively influenced by the West. I think she's got that completely backwards; I think Islam is actually more bottom-up than Christianity is.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:36 AM  

@38 Nate
Also..eric rudolph isn't a christian either. The Church of Isreal is crazy off shoot of a crazy off shoot of the mormon church.
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I'm reading the 4gw handbook now. It seems Rudolph was using some of those concepts, maybe unwittingly.

He evaded the authorities for years, and many think he had help from the local populace. I remember going through that area and seeing signs like "Run Eric Run" during those days.

Blogger The Rev November 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

@53 "seems like you are now moving goalposts. Next up will be a minimum number of deaths or damage?"

Shots fired. Lol.

But wait! You're responding dialectically to a rhetorical statement, thus proving that you actually lose! Xanatos gambit!!!

In all seriousness, Christian terrorist do exist. But a global, organized network of Christian terrorists actively seizing territory and committing weekly atrocities? No, that does not exist. Christians are the most actively persecuted religious group in the world. Muslims are the most actively persecuting religious group in the world. Get over it.

Blogger The Kurgan November 20, 2015 10:37 AM  

Raziel, you are on drugs or seriously deluded. I have a good ex-Muslim friend who will tell you, and I quote: "there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim" the ones you call tolerant MAY just sit on the sidelines when your time comes to be beheaded or submit to Islam instead of actively help hold you down. Wake up.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 20, 2015 10:41 AM  

People are arguing over how many in this list of six anti-abortionist "Christian terrorist" list from the last 15+ years were doing so in the name of Christ or if the acts were even terrorism, versus the documented tens of thousands. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

On their front page they have six moslem attacks listed since Tuesday with 63 casualties, the "Christian" list covers about a dozen casualties.

So six maybes versus 27,300 moslem attacks. The body count is many times higher. For the last week they have 47 attacks, 392 dead, and 906 critically injured.

They are unambiguously and categorically different in scope and intent except to the insane or dishonest. Or aspie. The point has been made.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:42 AM  

@39 TheLiberatorOfBados
If something like Paris happens here, that WILL push this country into enacting Article V, and then the Federal Government is toast.
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One conspiracy i've seen floating around is that Obama wants something like Paris here. Or maybe a couple of Paris style situations. That way he could try and implement martial law and stay in office.

I don't see how this one carries water, since the Dems and lefties have wasted almost every bit of their political capital on "islam is a religion of peace". If something like this was to happen, they'd probably use their media jackals to paint it as attacks by US natives.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:46 AM  

@43 Raziel Walker

Surely you realize that there have been more high profile islamic terrorist attacks in the last 4 weeks than that handful you've had that span decades?

Anonymous John Doe November 20, 2015 10:47 AM  

@74

If you don't believe in Christianity why would you be afraid of going to hell? I've never once been fearful that one religion is actually true, and there will be consequences for not following it. This is normal for most non-religious people.

OpenID elijahrhodes November 20, 2015 10:48 AM  

That one must argue whether a particular terrorist even self-identifies as a Christian shows just how week the case is. And even if one concedes that there are active Christian terrorist groups, if there were to be an attack anywhere in the world, Christians would rise up en-masse in deafening condemnation. It would be a near statistical impossibility to find a single Christian who would not unequivocally condemn the act.

Contrast that with the response of "moderate" Muslims. At best, they offer the most tepid condemnation followed by the conjunctive "but" to justify the anger of the terrorist, just not the tactics. Moderate Muslims are tacit accomplices in terror. Until a significant percentage of Muslims around the world rise up in unequivocal condemnation then it can not be said that Islam is a religion of peace.

Anonymous iCM November 20, 2015 10:49 AM  

Remember, nothing has happened here yet.

Yeah, but since 9/11 didn't do it, I'm skeptical that this silent majority actually exists.

Blogger CM November 20, 2015 10:49 AM  

Christians are the most actively persecuted religious group in the world. Muslims are the most actively persecuting religious group in the world. Get over it.

Some blacks are racist. Most blacks are not.

Some whites are racist. Most whites are not.

"BLACKS CAN'T BE RACIST CUZ SUPPRESSED!" - Every liberal argument EVER.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 20, 2015 10:49 AM  

For the Christians (especially the Catholics) who bend over backwards and do anything to absolve Islam, I think you can blame the hyper-ecumenism of the past several decades. If Islam is a "great religion" (Benedict) which can bear "abundant spiritual fruit" (Francis) and provides an acceptable alternative way to worship God, then my own personal version of Christianity -- which allows me to get wasted and laid on weekends and then give myself indulgences on Monday by being nice to small animals and donating to my favorite charities -- is surely acceptable to God too.

If they say that it's possible for a faith to be bad, they'd have to look at their own.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 10:51 AM  

@52 natschuster
I would like to know where the moderate Moslims who codemn Islamic terror.
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They are busy collecting golden unicorn eggs.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 10:51 AM  


Yeah, but since 9/11 didn't do it, I'm skeptical that this silent majority actually exists.


The silent majority doesn't believe Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 10:56 AM  

"You guys REALLY don't understand how the security vote works. Very, very few people will let themselves get eaten by bears. A lot talk as if they will, as long as they don't believe they will ever see a bear."

No mate. You've gone from talking about a specific subset of crazies to most people.

The specific subset of crazies you're talking about... is so full of cognitive dissonance they will absolutely got get eaten by bears.

Blogger Zach November 20, 2015 10:56 AM  

The eagerness is simple to explain.

It lets people get a righteousness high from playing "I thank thee, Lord, that I am more welcoming of refugees than that hateful, fearful, weak brother of mine."

They don't really believe in their bones that they'll have to back this up by embracing martyrdom, so it's a cheap and easy simulation of grace and mercy with a hit of pride to make it go down.

God have mercy.

Blogger JCclimber November 20, 2015 11:03 AM  

I can't believe how many are missing the clinic on display here.

Get the liberal to give some facts illustrating their point.
Let them swirl around for a while on that point. Let them double down on the crazy.

Move in for the kill.

Too many are moving the goalposts, seeking to dispute whether any of them are Christians or not.....

Do you now remember how to devastate a liberal argument? Do any of you spot the flaw in this insane person's argument?

Blogger JCclimber November 20, 2015 11:07 AM  

Never mind, I'll move the process along:.
@5 Raziel Stalker,
now give us the full definition of "terrorist" from a credible source, such as the FBI website.

Come on, you found the names of those "christians" quite easily, this should be a cake walk.

OpenID Jack Amok November 20, 2015 11:08 AM  

"It's worth the risk to show compassion" and that kind of crap.


They don't believe the risk is real. A kindergarten blowing up in Minneapolis will change that.

OpenID eidolon1109 November 20, 2015 11:10 AM  

@96 VD

Can you give us some examples of the security vote's movements, so we're all on the same page about it?

Blogger Student in Blue November 20, 2015 11:12 AM  

...is surely acceptable to God too.

I'm pretty sure that's what a number of priests and bishops tried to pull in the Middle Ages... :)

OpenID eidolon1109 November 20, 2015 11:13 AM  

@102

Will it? I'm not convinced about that. I don't know what it takes for these people to realize that things that are currently happening to other people in similar circumstances could also happen to them.

Presumably the people in charge in Europe had popular support, right? They were elected, after all. So a lot of the people currently suffering due to allowing all these people into their countries voted for those leaders -- after Rotherham, after Sweden's rape rates, etc. Even a local, nearby, recent example involving similar people wasn't enough. I'm really not sure what would be enough.

Blogger Bard November 20, 2015 11:15 AM  

Blacks and arabs are peaceful and tolerant people who have nothing to do with Islam.

Blogger Bard November 20, 2015 11:18 AM  

Whatsoever! Sorry, that is the important distinction.

Blogger JartStar November 20, 2015 11:19 AM  

Four words: Hispanics don't like Muslims.

More words: Hispanics like Democrat social programs more than they don't like Muslims.

My premise is based upon voting history and until I see evidence that the voting patterns are changing there's no reason in my mind to think they are changing.

One hint of the change could be the off year elections and how many GOP governors are now in office, but those elections tend to have low voter turn out.

Blogger Student in Blue November 20, 2015 11:19 AM  

@JCclimber
Never mind, I'll move the process along:.

Might as well give it a shot yourself, but I certainly don't see where you're going with that.

Blogger Robert What? November 20, 2015 11:24 AM  

I still think the fix is in for Hillary. She knows it which is why she doesn't care what she says or what she looks like. She is just biding her time. The GOP leadership will do everything they can to throw the election to Hillary if the Republican nominee is Trump or Cruz.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 20, 2015 11:26 AM  

This competes with HRC: the world is just too complex…, Bernie lengthens his lead in the VP race with re-commitment to the idea that climate change is the root of terrorist activity,& A-hole O’Malley said that taking in these refugees would be like adding 6 people to a sports stadium. Very unfortunate choice of words, considering the events of last evening in Paris.

What a breathtaking lie. How much do the Saudis pay to have Hillary speak in public anyway?

She took $40million from nations that execute gays while secretary of state.

As Trump said, not all mexican's are rapists. Its just that some little girls don't know how to say get away from me you filthy beaner in Mexican.

Does John Kerry think this latest group has a "legitimate" reason for their attack?

Doctors without borders fled Somalia after 200 employees killed for things like triaging a non moslem gang rape victim before a moslem with a scratch on his face, which is a legitimate violation of diminitude under sharia.

Some christians [sic] are extremist terrorists. The worse thing Jesus did was flip some tables and chase some crooks around with a whip. Mo's biggest victory came from breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night, everything around his cult is about enslaving/rape even as part of paradise.

And sure Breivik is a christian terrorist. He identifies as christian.

Raziel Walker identifies as competent. 100 years from now either every town in Europe will have statues to Breivik or they will not have running water.

The Provisional Irish Republican Army did not conduct a religious war.

The IRA is giving moslems the boot, they are not standing by while little white girls get raped.

is that Islam is a top-down religion, and the people at the bottom don't believe as strongly as the people on the top, which means they could potentially be positively influenced by the West

That's why many republicans want illegal immigration. They see a low IQ people whose culture accepts corruption, and think if they could just change the vote for more free stuff part, they would help free politicians of the bindings the founders laid upon them to become more of a Patron Client nobility model, instead of someone voted out for not doing what they say.

What are you trying to make clear? Every moslem wants sharia law instead of real law. This is a video of a moslem peace conference, notice every hand in the crowd goes up when asked if killing gays and loose women is islam.
http://vladtepesblog.com/2013/10/19/islamic-peace-conference-in-oslo/

Blogger LES November 20, 2015 11:33 AM  

There is always the moral component to war. The "Civil War" was not about slavery but people believe it still today.

I think the war in the Middle East is over land: Eretz Israel.
We've killed more Muslims than they have of non-Muslims.
They probably think that collateral damage from a drone is terrorism.

If an alien race from outer space with superior technology and weapons did to the US what the West has done to the Middle East I think you would see a lot of Christian terrorists.

I'm not convinced that Paris and other events aren't false flag attacks.

OpenID Jack Amok November 20, 2015 11:33 AM  

Will it? I'm not convinced about that. I don't know what it takes for these people to realize that things that are currently happening to other people in similar circumstances could also happen to them.


It's like Zach said up above, they don't really believe they'll have to back it up. They're women (including a few biological males without a lot of masculinity) who've grown up in a prosperous, peaceful setting. They're not used to consequences. So yeah, they have a hard time making the connection, but here's the key. When you say "...other people in similar circumstances...", these women don't really think they're in the same circumstances as those other people.

They think they're special snowflakes. But when they realize there are a bunch of allahu akbar's ten miles away, they start to get nervous. Hell, even dipitty liberal Seattle has it's major paper running stories on just how many refugees are here, where they are living, where they've come from, and wondering if they pose a security threat. (FWIW, we seem to have drawn the long straw and gotten a lot of Ukes and not a lot of Syrians). There's the expected "oh, they're peaceful poor disadvantaged people" noises from the expected quarters, but they have a distinct whiff of whistling past the graveyard.

When a woman who thought she was immune to consequences suddenly gets a dose of consequences, the vast majority just shut up and try to be as inconspicuous as possible. A bunch of these people will be too emotionally distraught to even vote because voting will remind them of the feelbadz of being wrong.

Blogger Sam vfm #111 November 20, 2015 11:39 AM  

@91 "... it can not be said that Islam is a religion of peace."

Islam has never been a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of submission. You submit or you die.
The word "Muslim" means "one who submits" or "one who surrenders."

Anonymous WillBest November 20, 2015 11:47 AM  

Trump will demolish her easily when it comes time to run against her.

I hope so... Shots of Jews being marched to gas chambers juxtaposed with Trump talking about a registration system for Muslims won't be particularly good optics. People bit on the whole Paul Ryan pushing grandma off a cliff ad.

Nationalism is bigger in the EU than it is here and its only good enough for 10-25% of the vote there at the moment. Then again Hillary is going to have her own skeletons.

I figure this is going to be the most vicious campaign since Jefferson accused Adams of being a hermaphrodite.

It amazes me how just absolutely eager some people suddenly are to have Muslim refugees from Syria in our country. People who up until now have expressed literally zero opinion on Muslim terrorism within my social groups, but who are suddenly lining up on either side of this argument.

Its not about the refugees. If it were we would send our engineers, construction workers, and doctors to the Jordan/Syrian border to be building temporary housing to help as many people as fast as possible. These people are like the Pharisees who publicly displayed their faith, while privately were concerned only with their own indulgences.



Blogger Jourdan November 20, 2015 11:51 AM  

I think Vox's distance from American politics has clouded his judgment on Clinton. She will be the D nominee and the demographics are what they are: no R can win, nor will win again.

Her statement is objectively nonsense, but what it signals to her supporters is a hard-line in favor of anti-racism, at any cost.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 12:06 PM  

" She will be the D nominee and the demographics are what they are: no R can win, nor will win again. "

Jordan... that's an amazingly stupid thing for a smart guy to say.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 12:09 PM  

I think Vox's distance from American politics has clouded his judgment on Clinton. She will be the D nominee and the demographics are what they are: no R can win, nor will win again.

Meanwhile, Republicans have nearly monopolized the governorships. I have a feeling you'll be seeing that quote every time you offer a prediction in the future, Jourdan.

Anonymous WillBest November 20, 2015 12:13 PM  

@116

Nonsense. States are not locked. CA used to be reliable GOP while Texas was reliable Dem. MI and PA have been trending GOP. If the blacks can't be whipped up OH and NC are going GOP and MI and PA will be in play. Doesn't matter if the HIspanics give FL to the Donks.

Anonymous WillBest November 20, 2015 12:15 PM  

Bah meant @115. Should stick to quoting.

Blogger Desiderius November 20, 2015 12:25 PM  

"These people are like the Pharisees who publicly displayed their faith, while privately were concerned only with their own indulgences."

That's more of a Sadducee thing. The Pharisees are the SJWs themselves.

Blogger Nate November 20, 2015 12:26 PM  

"I have a feeling you'll be seeing that quote every time you offer a prediction in the future, Jourdan."

worse... every time a republican wins. and every time a poll comes out with a republican ahead.

Blogger Desiderius November 20, 2015 12:32 PM  

She's just carrying on the Bush/Gerson pro-Islam propaganda strategy. Gerson had another op-ed on it the other day. It's very popular in GOPe circles. They've got the pro-Islam propaganda videos playing in all the affluent white Social Studies classes. It's now a status marker.

Blogger paradox November 20, 2015 12:41 PM  

Has Lew Rockwell jumped the shark?

Blogger paradox November 20, 2015 12:59 PM  

@68 Positive Dennis

"Religiously, I am a traditional Catholic. Philosophically, I am an Idealist." - Eric Rudolph

Rudolph claims to be Christian, his actions don't match Christianity.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 20, 2015 1:13 PM  

@123: For me, Lew Rockwell jumped the shark when he talked about the Iranian's "peaceful nuclear program". Anyone who doesn't see that they're pursuing nuclear weapons, and to avoid arguing over their attacking the Little or Great Satan, that local geopolitics is entirely sufficient to motivate them, is out to lunch. Sad, he used to make total sense in the '80s.

Blogger JCclimber November 20, 2015 1:21 PM  

Still waiting for that reliable source definition of terrorism.

Blogger JCclimber November 20, 2015 1:21 PM  

From Raziel, by the way, not one of the other Ilk.

Blogger IM2L844 November 20, 2015 1:23 PM  

@50

We can't let that happen!

Why do liberals hate my granddaughter?

Anonymous Athor Pel November 20, 2015 1:41 PM  

"53. Blogger Raziel Walker November 20, 2015 9:08 AM
@37 seems like you are now moving goalposts. Next up will be a minimum number of deaths or damage?

My point is that the majority of muslims are not terrorists.
What are you trying to make clear? Do you believe that christian terrorists are nonexistent? Or is it about how christian terrorism is insignificant compared the muslim terrorism?"




If those muslims are so harmless you should go live in a country ruled by muslims unless you already do.

You a muslim Raziel?

Or are you just another kabbalah blinded troll.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 20, 2015 1:58 PM  

... Shots of Jews being marched to gas chambers juxtaposed with Trump talking about a registration system for Muslims won't be particularly good optics.

Can easily be countered with shots of the Branch Davidian Compound on Fire from the First Clinton Co-Presidency.

Blogger Danby November 20, 2015 2:03 PM  

@115 Jourdan
I think Vox's distance from American politics has clouded his judgment on Clinton. She will be the D nominee and the demographics are what they are: no R can win, nor will win again.
Jourdan, I think, living in DC, your distance from America has clouded your judgement on the American mood.

Blogger Danby November 20, 2015 2:09 PM  

Killing an abortionist is not terrorism. It is an attempt to stop a serial murderer in the face of a society that allows murder of children.

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2015 2:09 PM  

Yeah, D is going down, unless they manage to prop up someone besides those two old white fossils they have. The real question is which flavor of R we will end up with.

Blogger Jourdan November 20, 2015 2:24 PM  

Vox, Nate, Danby - You may be right, but I don't think so. Looking at historical voting patterns by race and then imposing them on state races, I don't see how Rs can win the Electoral College votes needed.

In any case, there is no point I suppose in arguing now. We'll see in a year's time.

Blogger Jourdan November 20, 2015 2:37 PM  

That said, gentlemen, I certainly stand by my prediction and would love to entertain a friendly wager on its accuracy.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 2:40 PM  

> Those articles give a pretty strong implication that Salvi was christian.

Strong implication, huh. You know, you;d think someone who so cavalierly states something as a fact might have a bit more evidence than that.

> My point is that the majority of muslims are not terrorists.

True. It's probably at most 30% or so. Of course, there's another 40% or so who support them, and another 29.9999% or so who are afraid to oppose them.

> Do you believe that christian terrorists are nonexistent?

I believe the colloquial phrase is "scarce as hen's teeth".

> Or is it about how christian terrorism is insignificant compared the muslim terrorism?

Well, duh.

> There is always the moral component to war. The "Civil War" was not about slavery but people believe it still today.

That's more a case of "the winners write the history books".

Blogger SirHamster November 20, 2015 3:00 PM  

Killing an abortionist is not terrorism. It is an attempt to stop a serial murderer in the face of a society that allows murder of children.

Justice is terrifying to the unjust.

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2015 3:53 PM  

Jihad terrorists are to Moslem immigration what drug lords are to Mexican immigration: an extravagant display, but not really a threat to most people. The real threat is the day-to-day decline in social conditions, the gradual loss of trust in your neighbors, the material decay as the Mexican/Moslem lack of long term vision plays out. The banlieues of Paris and the barrios of Los Angeles are the true expression of these people. Given First World infrastructure and government benefits, it's still the best they can do. That is the rational, dialectical response to the "We-have-room-let-them-in" crowd.

But the rhetorical response, "They're killing our children" works better with rabbits.

Blogger Student in Blue November 20, 2015 4:19 PM  

> Do you believe that christian terrorists are nonexistent?

I believe the colloquial phrase is "scarce as hen's teeth".


Especially worth considering when compared to atheist or agnostic terrorists - Christians are probably the least likely to be a terrorist of any sort.

Blogger rycamor November 20, 2015 4:32 PM  

@138 . Discard November 20, 2015 3:53 PM

Jihad terrorists are to Moslem immigration what drug lords are to Mexican immigration: an extravagant display, but not really a threat to most people. The real threat is the day-to-day decline in social conditions, the gradual loss of trust in your neighbors, the material decay as the Mexican/Moslem lack of long term vision plays out. The banlieues of Paris and the barrios of Los Angeles are the true expression of these people. Given First World infrastructure and government benefits, it's still the best they can do. That is the rational, dialectical response to the "We-have-room-let-them-in" crowd.


You are correct about the real threat, but still the comparison isn't apt because drug lords only target those who are a) interfering with them or b) competing with them. Muslim terrorists wantonly pick out the most innocent of targets for maximum shock value.

But the rhetorical response, "They're killing our children" works better with rabbits.

Better: "They're killing our children and raping our girls."

Blogger Sam Lively November 20, 2015 6:16 PM  

@123

Lew can countenance no ideological foe but statism. He won't allow for any national/religious/cultural differences that can't be resolved by free markets and pacifism.

Blogger The Kurgan November 20, 2015 7:57 PM  

You guys REALLY don't understand how the security vote works. Very, very few people will let themselves get eaten by bears. A lot talk as if they will, as long as they don't believe they will ever see a bear.

Remember, nothing has happened here yet. Attacks in France and Mali are still over there. We won't see the visible change until after the next attack in the USA. But the fact that Trump rose in the polls after Paris indicates that it is already happening.


I think you are forgetting Einstein (and me, I produced the same sentence at age 16 without knowing he had said it first):
Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I am not sure about the universe.

Blogger MendoScot November 20, 2015 8:20 PM  

Suicide voters for suicice bombers

Anonymous Eric the Red November 20, 2015 8:39 PM  

@87...

The left have used the same powerful weapon against us since the '60's, and nobody has yet come up with an effective way to stop it:

They accuse their opponents of not having 100% pristine adherence to a moral code, which then gives the left the ability to screech moral equivalence and hypocrisy to silence any such opposition. (Alinsky rule #4).

What is a pithy rhetorical way to stop it?

Blogger Harsh November 20, 2015 9:15 PM  

Hillary is a terrible, unlikable candidate but due to demographics she's almost certainly going to win.

You know, three months ago I would have agreed with you but the way things are going it appears that Trump is going to crush the field in both the primary and general elections.

Blogger Harsh November 20, 2015 9:17 PM  

Most christians are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Some christians are extemist terrorists.
Most muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. Some muslims are extremist terrorists.


That's a terribly dishonest comparison and I think if you stopped and pondered it a moment, you'd agree.

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OpenID tz November 20, 2015 9:21 PM  

My friend lives in a neighborhood - small - that probably has more weapons than the local National Guard Armory. Assuming the rotation on "range day" is any indication.

So I see the bright side, and urge patience. Let ISIS slaughter, enslave, or whatever the PC/SJW crowd in the blue pimples. It will keep both busy for a while, but expose the government as unable to raise a defense.
If/when they cross the rockies, cascades, etc. they might be surprised.
It is actually difficult in trying to say the founders were correct in the constitution and bill of rights with no religious test, etc. however I do prefer Wyoming (And there is at least one "sanctuary city") to most other locales.
To reiterate and emphasize, don't be so quick. Let ISIS kill all the SJWs first, then go in.
Speaking of Traitors, Johnathan Pollard has been released.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 11:04 PM  

> What is a pithy rhetorical way to stop it?

We don't care.

Anonymous Discard November 21, 2015 12:20 AM  

144. Eric the Red: Leftists are always extreme hypocrites. They run their mouths about diversity and send their kids to private school, etc, etc,etc. Just point out the space between the rhetoric and the reality of the SJW in question, get personal if you can. Any gap between your words and deeds will be dwarfed by the canyons separating their supposed ideals and visible actions.
I once asked a Jew why, if affirmative action was such a good thing, it was OK for Jews to control Hollywood? (He lived in West Los Angeles, so there was no denying it) He dropped his head and was silent for five minutes before I excused myself. He had it coming. Be cruel, and enjoy it. They'd destroy you in a New York minute.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 21, 2015 8:51 PM  

Liberals are willing to support any policy that doesn't affect them personally. The whole Obamacare debacle happened because they Grubered these losers by telling them only the rich would pay. Yeah only the rich would pay. That's why their maids and nannies are eating with food stamps.
And they have this fetish for education. Most of these precious little snowflakes spends over a decade in collage after 13 years of primary school, so they have this stupid belief that education and more education will solve any problem like crime. Uh, no.
These open minded tolerant people can't even bear to hear another point of view and can get violent and angry just if you disagree with their bullshit. They have a lot in common with Islam. They have unshakeable Dogma, unlimited faith in their leaders and no willingness to compromise or consider another point of view. When these two ideologies finally get together its going to be a bloodbath.

Blogger gregtuco November 28, 2015 8:07 PM  

How bad is the cognitive dissonance in America when this kind of insane babble from a mainstream "leader" does not even raise an eyebrow?

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