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Monday, November 23, 2015

Christmas is Christ's Mass

Atheists, seculars, and anti-Christian Jews can try to take the Christ out of Christmas, but they will always fail. And since they're going to try, we should simply stop recognizing their parasitical celebration of the hollowed-out, lifeless "festival of lights" with which they wish to replace it.
Cinemas should ban all Christmas adverts after refusing to screen a commercial featuring the Lord's Prayer because of its religious content, the Church of England has said.

The Church is threatening to take legal action against Digital Cinema Media (DCM), which handles adverts for cinema giants Odeon, Vue and Cineworld, after it barred an advert featuring the Archbishop of Canterbury encouraging prayer.

DCM told the Church the advert risked “upsetting or offending audiences” and pointed to its policy document barring commercials that advertised “any religion, faith or equivalent systems of belief” or “any part” of any such religion or faith.

Rev Arun Arora, the Church of England’s director of communications, told the Telegraph: “If they want to be consistent on not carrying any ads that have any connection with religious belief, I'd like them to cancel all ads linked to Christmas as a Christian festival.

“If they'd like to apply it consistently, ban every ad that mentions Christmas.” 
What most Christians haven't realized, much less accepted, yet is that religious multiculturalism doesn't work any better than the ethnic version. Freedom of religion only works so long as there is a tolerant religion that is sufficiently dominant; it ceases to function as soon as the minority religions become influential enough to challenge its cultural dominance and impose their own, less tolerant perspective.

Since the First Amendment has been dishonestly interpreted in a broadly expansive manner that does little more than attack Christianity, it is now time for Christians to cease respecting the concept of freedom of religion and become every bit as intolerant of other religions and anti-religious philosophies as those religions are of Christianity.

In this regard, perhaps a list should be created of all corporations that refuse to respect the Christian aspect of Christmas, so that Christians can refuse to do business with them during the Christmas season.

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188 Comments:

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 4:55 AM  

War for Christmas. I'm down with that.

Anonymous The Kurgan November 23, 2015 4:57 AM  

That last sentence can be a real sting. Would you host such a list or at least point to it repeatedly if it was compiled by VFMs?

I am happy to have it on my blog and as I update it only rarely it would certainly sit there for all of Christmas.

If some VFMs can compile a list (maybe also split by continent?) I'll happily leave it on the front page for the next couple of months at least.

Anonymous The Kurgan November 23, 2015 5:00 AM  

That last sentence can be a real sting. Would you host such a list or at least point to it repeatedly if it was compiled by VFMs?

I am happy to have it on my blog and as I update it only rarely it would certainly sit there for all of Christmas.

If some VFMs can compile a list (maybe also split by continent?) I'll happily leave it on the front page for the next couple of months at least.

Blogger VD November 23, 2015 5:12 AM  

Would you host such a list or at least point to it repeatedly if it was compiled by VFMs?

Certainly.

Blogger Rantor November 23, 2015 5:16 AM  

I propose it be called the ABC list, the Anti-Christ Business Community. We can smack them when they have Christless Easter activities too.

Anonymous Dyskord November 23, 2015 5:24 AM  

I agree completely. Time to put Christ back into Christmas. Businesses pandering to the special "season" without acknowledging, or actively distancing themselves from what makes the season special don't deserve our patronage.

Blogger sapopular November 23, 2015 5:30 AM  

can we argue cultural appropriation?

Blogger SciVo November 23, 2015 5:39 AM  

sapopular @6: can we argue cultural appropriation?

No. That is a silly argument that we should not lend any credence to.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 5:40 AM  

I will appropriate the shit out of a culture I think superior in the thing I'm appropriating. That is only appropriate.

Anonymous คาสิโนออนไลน์ November 23, 2015 5:42 AM  

thanks very much

Blogger VD November 23, 2015 5:43 AM  

can we argue cultural appropriation?

If we wish to engage in useless pseudo-dialectic. That's a version of the "see, that just proves" strategy so beloved of moderates and other intellectual eunuchs whose aim is victory through being seen as the good guy.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 5:44 AM  

In fact, I'll help atheists appropriate Christ.

You're welcome, atheists.

Blogger pdwalker November 23, 2015 5:47 AM  

yes. definitely. it's a direct attack on western civilization.

Rantor: great name choice!

Blogger SciVo November 23, 2015 6:02 AM  

Markku @8: I will appropriate the shit out of a culture I think superior in the thing I'm appropriating.

I agree! So if dot Indians are better at yoga than you, then you should appropriate yoga from them.

I honestly do not understand the counter argument that we should purposely not emulate the best, because then we might be like them. It doesn't make sense.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 23, 2015 6:25 AM  

can we argue cultural appropriation

Of what? Saturnalia?

Sorry, I'm being pedantic. It's early for me.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 23, 2015 6:30 AM  

Possibly we should pick places where we do business for said list.

My first nominee for the list is Target.

Yeah, I know about Starbucks. But no good Christian has coffee at Starbucks.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 6:33 AM  

War for Christmas. I'm down with that.

Book idea: Riding the Red Sleigh, featuring:

MERRY CHRISTMAS, MISTER CARRERA - It's Christmas in Balboa, but the grinch-hearted Tauran Union has other ideas. Their carrier Laicite sits just outside Balboa's territorial waters, threatening to shoot down Santa Claus if he approaches Balboan airspace. The only thing that can save Christmas is a Meg class SSK armed with supercavitating nuclear torpedoes.

A SONG OF ICE CREAM AND PICKLES AND EGGNOG - It's Christmas Eve, and Grod the Orc is troubled by three apparitions who implore him to be nicer to people, especially the younger, fatter and more gender-fluid recruits in the Royal Army. Unfortunately for the trio of spectres, they're about to find out that being ghosts doesn't mean Grod can't kill them... again and again.

FIVE GOLD RINGS - Captain Partridge of the frigate HMS Resurgent is engaged in anti-piracy patrol duties in the Barnard's Star system. While at dock for Christmas festivities, Resurgent is boarded and its skeleton crew taken hostage by German space terrorists. Only Captain Partridge, who had fortuitously passed out on the toilet after a Baileys and chocolate liqueurs binge, remains on board and uncaught by the terrorists. "Ho, ho, ho!", said Captain Partridge. "I've got a ruddy machinegun!"

Anonymous TroperA November 23, 2015 6:37 AM  

I honestly do not understand the counter argument that we should purposely not emulate the best, because then we might be like them. It doesn't make sense.

It's not supposed to make sense. It's just supposed to be another club that Marxists can beat Whitey over the head with.

It's the very nonsensical nature of the tactic that makes it so effective. "You're racist because you avoid having people from other cultures enter your space! You're racist because you hate foreign culture!" soon becomes "You're culturally appropriating an oppressed culture's activities and behavior! You're an insensitive racist!" Like the Stalin-era peasant deliberately forced to swallow obvious lies and praise them as golden, it's a tactic meant to demoralize a people and instill in them a feeling of learned helplessness.

And of course, "oppressed" peoples are free to "appropriate" as much of Whitey Culture and technology as they want, because slavery, or something like that.

Anonymous FriarBob November 23, 2015 6:39 AM  

Hanukkah only predates the Pope creating Christmas out of thin air by roughly 1200 years or so. And both have exactly the same amoint of biblical command for their observance. Both festivals are humans deciding to try to worship God how they want to rather than how He commands them to. Slightly rebellious, that.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 6:48 AM  

I have some thoughts regarding that, but I know from experience that if we bring up Two Babylons -stuff, it will lead to two hundred message derail.

We should probably still do it sometime in December though, just to have a place for it. So that other threads can be kept clean.

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 6:53 AM  

Isn't a lot of the anti-Christmas stuff an attempt to placate all the Moslims in our midst?

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 6:56 AM  

Isn't a lot of the anti-Christmas stuff an attempt to placate all the Moslims in our midst?

No, Jews.

Blogger Cinco November 23, 2015 7:06 AM  

Isn't a lot of the anti-Christmas stuff an attempt to placate all the Moslims in our midst?

No, Luciferans.

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 7:07 AM  

@18

1200 years? Macabees revolt ca. 160 BC? The birth of Christ ca. 6BC. No celebration of Christ's birth until ca. 1040 AD? Impressed by your knowledge of history.

Blogger Phillip George November 23, 2015 7:09 AM  

China are celebrating an early Christmas with tracer bullets, Having invented fireworks it seems fitting for the festive season.

It sound like the one who surrendered was among the dead. That sends a message. Perhaps the Kenyan could fund a Chinese team to end discrimination in the middle east.

Maybe we crowd fund an Red Arab Spring festival in lieu of offensive Christmas salutations.

Anonymous Brand Man November 23, 2015 7:14 AM  

I believe that whites should fight cultural appropriation. Too many whites get their panties in a twist when blacks change school names from e.g. "Thomas Jefferson High School" to "Malcolm X High School", or the "Redskins" are forced to change their name to the "Warriors", or "Madison Street" becomes "Martin Luther King Blvd".

In effect, minorities treat tokens of their race, language, culture and history as "trademarks" or "brands" to be imposed on (or removed from) public use. The latter is called "cultural appropriation".

Let us follow suit with our white "brands".

When a street is infested with violent minorities and develops a reputation for crime, violence and immorality, empower white people to remove its white name.

When "George Washington High School" goes black, goes violent and gets stupid, empower white people to remove Washington's name from the school.

When the formerly white towns of "Athens" or "Rome" or "Springfield" become miserable Mexican ghettos, empower the white community to force a name change to "Pancho Villa", or "Teotihuacan" or any other clearly Mexican name.

When a minority of Harvard students and faculty are white Christians let the white nation remove "[John] Harvard" from its name.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:16 AM  

Any Church holiday, invented or not, that makes completely secular people sing

With all our hearts we praise His holy name.
Christ is the Lord! Then ever, ever praise we,


...kicks so much butt that any possible apprehensions regarding its temporal proximity to certain untoward pagan practices, are comparatively negligible.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 7:27 AM  

Meanwhile, VFM Santa approaches the AO.

If they run, they're a SJW. If they don't run, they're a well trained SJW.

Blogger JP November 23, 2015 7:28 AM  

Try this experiment: when you sing a Christmas carol, do you feel love towards a pagan deity, or the Lord Jesus? Does paganism even enter your thoughts when you're at church on Christmas eve (or whenever you do your Christmas service)?

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:34 AM  

O Holy Night is thick with great theology. These lines explain the entire raison d'etre for Christmas.

Long lay the world in sin and error pining,
Till he appeared and the soul felt its worth.
The thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices,
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn.


Christmas is a reminder that it wasn't always like this. Grace wasn't always available to us gentiles. And even to Jews, keeping the Law was taxing work. Spirit was given with measure, and could be taken away, even from King David.

Christmas reminds of that moment when the Word of God, with all majesty and glory, condescended for us an became a helpless little baby. Christmas is what made Easter possible.

Christmas should keep our minds, collectively, in that moment those lines speak of. Midday - Easter - had not come yet. But a new and glorious morn had.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:44 AM  

"I can think of those things ANY day, I don't need a holiday appropriated from pagans for that!"
-every assburger ever

Good for you. However, if you go further than that, Paul has some words for you.

Rom 14:5 One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike. Let every one be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. He also who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while he who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.
(...)
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God;

Anonymous Bohm November 23, 2015 7:44 AM  

Here we go again with the War on Christmas brouhaha, regular as clockwork.

It's as festive as roasting chestnuts and all the rest - US conservatives pretending that they're in a 'war' during the season of goodwill to all men..

Everything feels so much more Christmasy if you can pretend to be an oppressed victim, hey fellas?

Blogger bob k. mando November 23, 2015 7:44 AM  

VD
In this regard, perhaps a list should be created of all corporations that refuse to respect the Christian aspect of Christmas, so that Christians can refuse to do business with them during the Christmas season.



as with the diversity of thought concerning queer marriage ... isn't this pretty much all of them?

i mean, it'd be a much smaller list if you were counting the ones that honored the holiday properly.

1 - Chik-Fil-A ( <<< i don't know this, i'm just assuming )
2 - ?

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:45 AM  

Here we go again with the War on Christmas brouhaha, regular as clockwork.

No, This Time it's Different.

This time we stop whining, and make THEM hurt.

Blogger bob k. mando November 23, 2015 7:47 AM  

31. Bohm November 23, 2015 7:44 AM
Here we go again with the War on Christmas brouhaha, regular as clockwork.



here we go again with the atheists denying that the War on Christmas exists even as they celebrate it every time they get Christmas banned from something, regular as clockwork.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:47 AM  

When it's them whining, we'll know we have the ball rolling.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 7:48 AM  

This time we stop whining, and make THEM hurt.

Merry Christmas, you filthy animal!

Blogger bob k. mando November 23, 2015 7:49 AM  

you'll note the similarity between Bohm's statement and the way a Cluster B treats treats their target / designated scapegoat:


http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/characteristics-of-narcissistic-mothers/

14. She terrorized.
For all abusers, fear is a powerful means of control of the victim, and your narcissistic mother used it ruthlessly to train you. Narcissists teach you to beware their wrath even when they aren't present. The only alternative is constant placation. If you give her everything she wants all the time, you might be spared. If you don't, the punishments will come. Even adult children of narcissists still feel that carefully inculcated fear. Your narcissistic mother can turn it on with a silence or a look that tells the child in you she's thinking about how she's going to get even.

Not all narcissists abuse physically, but most do, often in subtle, deniable ways. It allows them to vent their rage at your failure to be the solution to their internal havoc and simultaneously to teach you to fear them. You may not have been beaten, but you were almost certainly left to endure physical pain when a normal mother would
have made an effort to relieve your misery. This deniable form of battery allows her to store up her rage and dole out the punishment at a later time when she's worked out an airtight rationale for her abuse, so she never risks exposure. You were left hungry because "you eat too much." (Someone asked her if she was pregnant. She isn't). You always went to school with stomach flu because "you don't have a fever. You're just trying to get out of school." (She resents having to take care of you. You have a lot of nerve getting sick and adding to her burdens.) She refuses to look at your bloody heels and instead the shoes that wore those blisters on your heels are put back on your feet and you're sent to the store in them because "You wanted those shoes. Now you can wear them." (You said the ones she wanted to get you were ugly. She liked them because they were just like what she wore 30 years ago). The dentist was told not to give you Novocaine when he drilled your tooth because "he has to learn to take better care of his teeth." (She has to pay for a filling and she's furious at having to spend money on you.)

Narcissistic mothers also abuse by loosing others on you or by failing to protect you when a normal mother would have. Sometimes the narcissist's golden child will be encouraged to abuse the scapegoat. Narcissists also abuse by exposing you to violence. If one of your siblings got beaten, she made sure you saw. She effortlessly put the fear of Mom into you, without raising a hand.

Blogger ncartist November 23, 2015 7:53 AM  

@19. Markku
I have some thoughts regarding that, but I know from experience that if we bring up Two Babylons -stuff, it will lead to two hundred message derail.

Cool.

Blogger VD November 23, 2015 7:54 AM  

Here we go again with the War on Christmas brouhaha, regular as clockwork.

You have it backwards. We're kicking you out of Christmas. You're an atheist? Fine. We won't celebrate with you.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 23, 2015 7:55 AM  

Companies want the money that comes with Christmas, but they don't want to call it Christmas.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 7:57 AM  

Season's Greetings Gay

Namely, those of a Very Merry Christmas.

Anonymous Bohm November 23, 2015 8:01 AM  

We're kicking you out of Christmas. You're an atheist? Fine. We won't celebrate with you.

Ouch! And I'd gotten you a present and everything.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 8:04 AM  

Ouch! And I'd gotten you a present and everything.

I want a Red Ryder BB gun, with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 8:06 AM  

I want a white Christmas.

And snow would be nice, too.

Anonymous Jerome Horowitz November 23, 2015 8:14 AM  

Or there could be two lists. "Naughty" and "Nice"
..
Naughty..
1. Target
2. Starbucks
..

Nice..
1. Chik-fil-A
2. Hobby Lobby

Blogger VD November 23, 2015 8:19 AM  

Or there could be two lists. "Naughty" and "Nice"

Good idea. I like that.

Blogger bob k. mando November 23, 2015 8:26 AM  

good call on Hobby Lobby. i had forgotten about them.

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 8:27 AM  

@21:

Marku:

I don't know. Most Jews I know don't really care about Christmas either way. And lots of Jews actually celebrate Christmas. I recall reading that The Frank family celebrated Christmas while hiding from the Nazis.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 23, 2015 8:27 AM  

Now if you gents could only find some campus SJW thought police to come out against Christmas. Maybe you could spam their Twitter feeds with "Merry Christmas" till they come up with the genius idea of banning Christmas.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 23, 2015 8:28 AM  

And no Merry Christmas for Bohm, he is an asshole.

Anonymous Hagar333 November 23, 2015 8:30 AM  

"Since the First Amendment has been dishonestly interpreted in a broadly expansive manner that does little more than attack Christianity"

While I agree that Christmas has been secularized (often with the ironic help of Christians), I cringe every time I see someone pretend they are some sort of Constitutional scholar when they can't begin to intelligently address the Constitutionsl issues the claim to understand.

Anonymous Bohm November 23, 2015 8:30 AM  

Nice..
1. Chik-fil-A
2. Hobby Lobby


Looks like junior is getting a nice Pine effect photo frame this year and barbecued chicken wings for Christmas dinner.

Anonymous indpndnt November 23, 2015 8:33 AM  

The new religion that's growing has some really neat prayers. "You are from tragic dust and to magic dust you shall return" is my favorite.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 23, 2015 8:42 AM  

Instapundit is reporting that Richard Dawkins, of all people, is backing the Church of England on this one. Even he's getting tired of the SJW whining.

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 8:42 AM  

@52

Love chicken wings. Photo frames are cool. Atheists who want to appropriate a holiday, remove its religious content, and then whine when Christians respond negatively? Asshats.

If not doing business with a business who does not respect me or my dollars means less gifts and less shit to throw away in a year, my family is on with that.

Though, my wife is getting a SCCY 9mm with pink frame this Christmas, my daughter a Kimber, and my son a Beretta Tomcat (he's still young). All bought from a mom and pop store.

So, we can add gun companies to the nice list right?

Blogger Mint November 23, 2015 8:44 AM  

Christmas is Natal in Indonesian, borrowed word from Portuguese I think. For some Of my Muslim neighbours, it's forbidden to wish me a Happy 'Natal'. It is okay for me to wish them happy Eid dul Ftri, but not okay for them to reciprocate. So that is one thing Atheists have in common with Muslims.

Even as the largest muslim population, Christmas is one big commercial season in Indonesia. The malls and shopping centre are decorated with fake wintery symbols with "Jinggle bells" as their background music. In tropical melting heat Indonesia! No Christ though.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 8:45 AM  

I don't know. Most Jews I know don't really care about Christmas either way. And lots of Jews actually celebrate Christmas. I recall reading that The Frank family celebrated Christmas while hiding from the Nazis.

It seems like you don't remember the beginning of the Millennium when it was exclusively Jews who were bitching. Or perhaps you are too young to have paid attention, I don't know. But Muslims and Atheists are just a new twist to this.

Anonymous Roundtine November 23, 2015 8:46 AM  

Did you see Toys R Us is doing away with boys and girls toys due to "customer" complaints? Taleb explains how a vocal minority can effect change: The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dominance of the Stubborn Minority

Blogger bob k. mando November 23, 2015 8:49 AM  

52. Bohm November 23, 2015 8:30 AM
and barbecued chicken wings for Christmas dinner.



Chik-Fil-A doesn't do barbecue OR chicken wings, you dumbass.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/Food/Menu

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 8:59 AM  

@52

Besides, Chik-fil-a will most likely be closed three days late for "winter solstice". You know, Christmas day.

Anonymous Bohm November 23, 2015 9:00 AM  

Chik-Fil-A doesn't do barbecue OR chicken wings, you dumbass

..or Christmas, either, from what I can see on their website.

Blogger Iowahine November 23, 2015 9:02 AM  

Naughty - Ikea

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 9:05 AM  

@61

Waiting for the train...

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 9:08 AM  

Cabela's and Bass Pro should be on the nice list.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 23, 2015 9:10 AM  

I added Toys R Us to my personal boycott years ago when they wouldn't fire Whoopi "Rape Rape" Goldberg from being spokesman. She defended a convicted and admitted child molester because he's an "artist" then put her on the cover of their catalog for special needs kids while she also advocates for aborting Down Syndrome kids.

Plus Target for booting the Salvation Army bell ringers, and Starbucks for a number of things.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 23, 2015 9:13 AM  

Dick's is on my naughty list for cancelling existing AR-15 orders after Sandy Hook. I think Gander Mountain is still good.

Anonymous Cash November 23, 2015 9:18 AM  

Overstock.com Nice

Anonymous Cash November 23, 2015 9:20 AM  

Dick's is naughty. Who would have thought that?.

Anonymous FriarBob November 23, 2015 9:27 AM  

Crap, I was thinking of the dates for Purim. Obviously I don't celebrate either of them.

It's still not commanded. It's still an invention/syncretism/perversion of the Catholic Church, which means no protestant should accept it. But you're right that my dates were way off.

Anonymous Rob November 23, 2015 9:34 AM  

@69

Yeah, don't let the fact that you were ludicrously wrong previously allow the barest suggestion that you might not know what you're talking about enter your mind.

Blogger Mom November 23, 2015 9:34 AM  

I assume the Naughty list includes all use of Xmas? I know it offends me

Blogger Sir Wilshire (#320) November 23, 2015 9:44 AM  

It's always interesting to ask those saying Christmas is pagan what piece of historical evidence they have for showing pagans celebrating a holiday on the 25th before Hippolytus' mention of the date around 200 AD in his commentary on Daniel (his reasoning - not taking over a pagan holiday but he thinks Jesus was conceived on Passover - nothing wrong with the church of the true God "conquering" pagan holidays though).

J.P. Holding's good short ebooks, "Christmas is Pagan and other Myths" and "Easter is Pagan and other Fables" have nailed these memes in the coffin (Easter's differing calendar scheme with Passover does have anti-Jewish roots, however).

Interestingly too, Hanukkah, while post-OT, is mentioned in the NT (John 10:22-23). So we also know Jesus was good with "man-made" holidays.

I'll also add the evidence for his actual birth is indeterminate, but we may have slight positive evidence for it during the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). Interestingly, if this were so, then it increases the probability we know what time of year he will return, but not the year (Feast of Trumpets).

Finally, all this to say is that there is nothing wrong with Jewish and Gentile believers to celebrate his birth on either day, or not at all.

http://ffoz.org/discover/sukkot/birth-of-jesus-at-sukkot.html

Anonymous Mark Call November 23, 2015 9:44 AM  

The trouble is, He was born during Sukkot, in the Fall, and was never really "in" 'christmas' to begin with.

I have no problem with people trying to "take back" their traditions. But if they try to do so in His Name, and expect His support, it would be helpful to have Him, His Scripture, and the facts on their side.

As you know, VD, it is an SJW tactic to argue in defiance of the Truth. This one is thus a MUCH harder Whopper to sell.

To put it in military terms, it's a bit like sacrificing your troops for a bit of low terrain of no strategic importance to the Commander. But, hey, if it makes some "feel better" -- isn't that what matters?

I'd argue it's better to admit that it's not about "His birth" (since He and His earthly family almost certainly never celebrated it as such anyway) and more about something symbolic, than real. And then, learn to keep the Feasts YHVH said were "His" (and, no, NOT 'jewish' per se) and commanded we keep "forever...throughout your generations...in all your dwelling places," etc.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 23, 2015 9:45 AM  

The 7th year of Obama economy should make this hurt more than it would in other years.

I honestly do not understand the counter argument that we should purposely not emulate the best

The best always seems to be created by white & Asian men

Or there could be two lists. "Naughty" and "Nice"... Good idea. I like that.

Some people like the asparagus from your previous cartoon might brag at being on your naughty list.


with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time.

If Ahmed made it you can give my "clock" to the white house.

Blogger Dug November 23, 2015 9:50 AM  

As you know, VD, it is an SJW tactic to argue in defiance of the Truth. This one is thus a MUCH harder Whopper to sell.

It's a Christian tradition, and we're welcome to our symbols too.

But, hey, if it makes some "feel better" -- isn't that what matters?

Morale does, in fact, matter.

If it means nothing to you, great. Please stay out of the way while we defend our culture and our place in the West.

Blogger Silly But True November 23, 2015 9:50 AM  

@62,

That might be true, but it misses the point a bit.

Chick-fil-a celebrates Sundays off. Not to be glib, but there's a reason why kids eat free on Tyr's Day at IKEA. If one is looking for a war against the faithless, you could do a lot worse than a company that celebrates Woden's Day ("Wow Wednesday's"): http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/img/local_store_info/Tampa/Nov25_Tampa_Wow.gif

No, they're not Christians. But I'd rather have these Pagans around than the atheists (or agnostics if that's what they're going by now).


If all the Starbucks and Targets and Dicks of the world were replaced with IKEAs, that would be more of a win for our side than theirs.


It's a store that on their corporate homepage celebrates the shitty soil of Smaland, and the hard grueling ways, and the cold dark bleakness of Sweden.

I'd be surprised if new employees didn't have to recite the Creed of Iron.

Blogger Sean November 23, 2015 9:51 AM  

The Date for Christmas was set at 25 December, because that falls 9 months after the date set for the Feast of the Annunciation.

I don't really care which exact date Christ was born, I celebrate it on the 25 like my ancestors have for centuries.

Blogger John Wright November 23, 2015 10:00 AM  

"While I agree that Christmas has been secularized (often with the ironic help of Christians), I cringe every time I see someone pretend they are some sort of Constitutional scholar when they can't begin to intelligently address the Constitutionsl issues the claim to understand."

Well, I am a freaking Constitutional lawyer with a sheepskin on my wall to prove it, catiff, and I can confirm without doubt that the First Amendment interpretation banning Congress from establishing religion or hindering its free exercise is being outrageously abused and perverted by the High Court rulings, under the doctrine of incorporation, banning prayer in school, crosses on war memorials for the dead, and displays of the Ten Commandments in courthouses.

Vox Day is correct. I can testify as an expert. If you would like me to look up the cites for the specific cases and quote the dissenting opinions, I can, but you would have to pay my legal fees.

Or you could argue the facts and evidence instead of assuming an air of unearned expertise. Tell me by what stretch of logic the wording of the First Amendment does not protect Nuns running a private charity and purchasing private health insurance for their employees being forced to buy birth control, which Catholic theology rejects as an abomination, is permitted under the First Amendment, but a school that receives public funds being forbidden entertain a volunteer youth club with a Christian theme is not permitted?

Use the analysis in Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) to explain whether the nexus between state influence and the promotion of religion is present or absent in each case.

Blogger rumpole5 November 23, 2015 10:00 AM  

Amen Brother Markku!

Blogger Dave Halt November 23, 2015 10:02 AM  

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Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 10:05 AM  

It's not that Catholics can't do ANYTHING right. We shall culturally appropriate whatever works.

Hopefully that will soon include crusading.

Anonymous Sensei November 23, 2015 10:11 AM  

@16 Steve, the Dark Ninja etc.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, MISTER CARRERA - It's Christmas in Balboa, but the grinch-hearted Tauran Union has other ideas. Their carrier Laicite sits just outside Balboa's territorial waters, threatening to shoot down Santa Claus if he approaches Balboan airspace. The only thing that can save Christmas is a Meg class SSK armed with supercavitating nuclear torpedoes.

Can the good colonel make this happen if we ask very nicely? No crucifixions though, that's the other holiday.

Blogger Salt November 23, 2015 10:13 AM  

Professor Wright, you may want to put your galoshes and raincoat on... for his head shall soon explode.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 10:13 AM  

Something that has sadly died away in recent years is the Christmas pop song.

Back in the 70's and 80's, recording artists like Slade, Wizzard, the Pogues, David Bowie, Queen, Paul McCartney and Bruce Springsteen released some classic Christmas tunes that are still played on radio to this day.

Recent efforts have been sparse. The Darkness tried bringing the Christmas glam rock hit back with "Christmas Time (Don't Let The Bells End)", but that was 10 years ago. Coldplay had a boring, lazy effort with "Christmas Lights" a couple of years ago.

But there's been nothing of late as insanely infectious as Boney M's "Mary's Boy Child / O My Lord". Or as raw and brilliant as Shane MacGowan and Kirsty McColl calling each other sluts and faggots in "Fairytale of New York".

It's time the younger generation stepped up their game. I would listen to a Babymetal Christmas album.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 10:18 AM  

In Finland we now have an annual series of heavy metal renditions of good ol' Christmas songs called "raskasta Joulua", loosely translates to "Have a Heavy Christmas"

There is no good studio version in YouTube, but here's O Holy Night, live

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 10:21 AM  

@57: Markku


"I don't know. Most Jews I know don't really care about Christmas either way. And lots of Jews actually celebrate Christmas. I recall reading that The Frank family celebrated Christmas while hiding from the Nazis.

It seems like you don't remember the beginning of the Millennium when it was exclusively Jews who were bitching. Or perhaps you are too young to have paid attention, I don't know. But Muslims and Atheists are just a new twist to this."

If those Jews were SJW type Jews, or Tikun Olam type Jews, then there is very little Jewish abouth them beyond their ancestry, and they weren't acting as Jews.

Blogger GracieLou November 23, 2015 10:22 AM  

@ O Holy Night. Johnny Mathis is a flamer sure, but his version of this song is incredible. Will admit to bursting into tears at the last verse...on occasion...every single time.

Blogger IM2L844 November 23, 2015 10:26 AM  

I propose it be called the ABC list, the Anti-Christ Business Community.

I like it. Especially after the ABC News (Naughty) failed attempt to take down Trijicon.

Blogger Salt November 23, 2015 10:35 AM  

From the case stated by Mr. Wright: quoting Madison -

"[I]t is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. . . . Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? That the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?

Think of the government's use of taxes to subsidize entities within the private sphere, on which any individual might disagree. Planned Parenthood, NPR, Bailing out GM, etc. Or, by force, cause one to purchase, say, insurance which one desires not. If the 1st covers religion by direct mention, why does it not, by implied meaning of restraint, cover others through the 10th, many being numerous and unenumerated?

OpenID thehappycanadianblog November 23, 2015 10:36 AM  

@6 regarding cultural approporiation

Somebody beat you to the concept. They are eating their own at U of Ottawa

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/20/free-ottawa-yoga-class-scrapped-over-cultural-issues

Blogger Rabbi B November 23, 2015 10:39 AM  

What? No Manheim Steamroller?

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 10:48 AM  

Blast from the past:

The Jewish Grinch Who Stole Christmas

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 23, 2015 10:51 AM  

@84 Steve - "Something that has sadly died away in recent years is the Christmas pop song."

The 70's/80's/90's pop "Christmas" songs that get the most airplay here in the US absolutely suck. It's like the scene from Mars Attacks.

Last Christmas - Wham.
Happy Xmas - John Lennon & Yoko Ono.
Chipmunk Song - Seville.
Blue Christmas - Elvis.
Wonderful Christmastime - McCartney.

And all their effing muzak covers.

Now I see Beiber, Ariana Grande, and the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" may be assaulting my ears this year as well. The most wonderful time of the year indeed. I bought a Pentatonix Christmas CD for the car. Driving/radio problem solved.

Blogger Rabbi B November 23, 2015 10:51 AM  

@92 Markku

I concur. Nice article Markku. Thanks.

Anonymous Bah November 23, 2015 10:54 AM  

I really want Christmas to fuck off and go away...

before Thanksgiving.

Some of the schlock Christmas decorations and muzak around here started before Halloween. Are the goddamn retailers really that desperate?

Blogger Rabbi B November 23, 2015 10:54 AM  

Ya know, when we I see all those Nativity scenes on peoples lawns, I tell my kids that they should thank G-d they're Jewish and how proud they should be. I mean after all, those are Jews people are putting out on their lawns for everyone to see. What's not to love?

Blogger Salt November 23, 2015 10:55 AM  

Are the goddamn retailers really that desperate?

Ah, yes.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 11:04 AM  

Markku - in my mind, Finland is basically a real-life 80's heavy metal album cover. Metal O Holy Night sounds awesome, I'll have a listen after work.

Rabbi B - What? No Manheim Steamroller?

Elocutioner - Wham's Last Christmas is especially offensive if you watch the video and realise George Michael invited a fit young lass to his log cabin just so he could watch her becoming increasingly upset and confused as nothing happened.

Blogger Rabbi B November 23, 2015 11:06 AM  

@99 Steve, TDNoM

The steamroller is also fine, Steve.

Blogger tweell November 23, 2015 11:14 AM  

The American Family Association does a Naughty or Nice list for national businesses.

https://www.afa.net/christmaslist

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 23, 2015 11:26 AM  

of course ,O HOLY NIGHY by celtic woman is the standard

dannyr69er

Blogger Cail Corishev November 23, 2015 11:36 AM  

I don't know. Most Jews I know don't really care about Christmas either way.

They care much more than you realize. More importantly, some who have considerable influence through the media and other organizations care a whole lot. Maybe more importantly than that, many Christian leaders these days care a whole lot about Jewish feelings, so they're only too happy to downplay anything that might cause them discomfort.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 11:36 AM  

of course ,O HOLY NIGHY by celtic woman is the standard

I don't like any version where "fall on your knees!" sounds like a suggestion.

Blogger clk November 23, 2015 11:37 AM  

While I understand the sentiment here I would like to present a possible alternative view --

I am troubled (as I am sure others are as well) by the way that Christmas has been corrupted by commercialism -- so the less Christmas is involved with commercialism the better off Christmas is IMHO...

Whatever the history of celebrating Christmas -- the point is to celebrate Christ and Christ's teachings as the truest path to salvation. What it has become today is something much much less, something that actually promotes traits directly contrary to the teachings of Christ... You think that business is with Christ because they use the term "Christmas" instead of "Holiday" -- that's really superficial --- lets see that store adopt the teachings of Christ every day and then I will believe them to be in Christ.

So by all means.. take Christmas back, but when you do ... give it back to Christ, not to the stores that want to use it to make more money.

Anonymous Bill Ding November 23, 2015 11:38 AM  

OT but I had to ask Vox. Why do you think saying 'The train is fine' is such as awesome comeback? I've seen the Onion clip, and in it the person with Aspbergers says the train is fine. Yet somehow you keep claiming the people who ask you why you suddenly interjected that line into a discussion are the autisitc ones. How does that make sense?

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 11:40 AM  

in it the person with Aspbergers says the train is fine

The train operator says it first. The point of the joke is to treat the aspie-out that lead to it as the aspie of the video asking about the condition of the train.

Anonymous Geoff November 23, 2015 11:42 AM  

This weekend there was a Christian rally in downtown Toronto, aka SJW central, aka the belly of the beast.

Short video here

Blogger Rabbi B November 23, 2015 11:42 AM  

"How does that make sense?"

You continue to demonstrate just how fine the train really is, Bill.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 11:42 AM  

And it's not a comeback, it's a script for bringing a "discussion" to a forcible end.

Blogger Markku November 23, 2015 11:46 AM  

Here's a Finnish Christmas song with no English-world equivalent, studio version, from the same album I mentioned before.

Anonymous Bill Ding November 23, 2015 11:49 AM  

Thanks Markku. I guess my memory was a little fuzzy on what happened in that video. I feel rather dumb now for even asking.

Blogger Salt November 23, 2015 11:52 AM  

Why do you think saying 'The train is fine' is such as awesome comeback?

Kinda like saying to someone google-eyeing a slut-walker, "She's a keeper."

Blogger John Wright November 23, 2015 11:53 AM  

"[Christmas] It's still an invention/syncretism/perversion of the Catholic Church, which means no protestant should accept it."

Well, I hate to say it, boyo, but Protestantism is also an invention/syncretism/perversion of the Catholic Church. What religion do you think Martin Luther or Henry VIII was born and raised in?

Or are you one of those 'Protestants' who thinks Christians are obligated to follow the Jewish holidays? Are you celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles this year? What about the Feast of Trumpets?

Come to think of it, Monogamy is a Catholic invention/syncretism/perversion, is it not? For nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say that a man should have but one wife, and there are many holy patriarchs and kings who had many.

Is not the exchange of wedding rings a pagan custom?

In fact, is not the only thing utterly clear in scripture is Jesus condemnation of divorce and remarriage?

Is not the ONLY think which is not Catholic the institution of treason against one's wife, which you Protestants call divorce, and which you and you alone reintroduced into Western civilization, beginning the disintegration that lead step by step, to no-fault divorce, contraception, the sexual revolution, and culminating in sodomy marriage? Is that not the invention/syncretism/perversion you and yours introduced?

OpenID Jack Amok November 23, 2015 11:59 AM  

Christmas pop? I'll recommend Chris Isaak. Isaak's Christmas album isn't very traditional, but Brightest Star and Last Month of the Year definitely puts the Christ in Christmas. And for those MRAs who want a little dose of divorce-rape angst, there's Christmas on TV. Great bit of storytelling in a song. Sets you up then pulls the rug out. And Got To Be Good is a great song if your wife looks good in candy cane colored lingerie and a Santa's Little Helper hat.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 23, 2015 12:11 PM  

There's always Bob Rivers' classic "Chipmunks Roasting on an Open Fire." :-)

Blogger Hammerli280 November 23, 2015 12:34 PM  

And in reading, the modern classics by the International Lord of Hate about the Christmas Noun.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey November 23, 2015 12:37 PM  

For the assburgers who wag their fingers at Christians celebrating the Incarnation of Christ being an appropriation of a pagan holiday, need I remind you that Christ Himself celebrated his own birth when he instituted the Lord's Supper. What do you think the bread is?

You want to take Christmas back? Quit buying a bunch of useless crap for your kids. Tell them the true story of St. Nicholas, that he defended the Christ child by using Arius' face as a punching bag. And that the greatest gift they could ever receive is the free gift of salvation through the Incarnation, Crucifixion, and Resurrection of Jesus.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 23, 2015 12:37 PM  

Don't forget Bob Rivers' other classic "I Am Santa Claus."

Blogger Student in Blue November 23, 2015 12:48 PM  

@John Wright

Please, good sir, don't fall for his trap of changing the discussion into Catholics vs Protestants.

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 November 23, 2015 12:55 PM  

I think I just fell into the trap myself.

Anonymous Scintan November 23, 2015 1:00 PM  

... I'd argue it's better to admit that it's not about "His birth" (since He and His earthly family almost certainly never celebrated it as such anyway) and more about something symbolic, than real. And then, learn to keep the Feasts YHVH said were "His" (and, no, NOT 'jewish' per se) and commanded we keep "forever...throughout your generations...in all your dwelling places," etc.

Using your logic, anyone born on February 29 is screwed out of a birthday celebration 3 years out of 4. Sometimes 'good enough' is good enough.

Anonymous The Kurgan November 23, 2015 1:10 PM  

Ok, it's official.
If some of you compile lists of naughty (ABC) and nice (CB (Christian Businesses) and send it to me i will put it on the front page of my blog feom as soon as i compile it well into January. I am a bit swamped being in Brazil right now so if any VFM wants to volunteer to give me the cleaned up list that will help a lot. My details are at my blog: www.gfilotto.com

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 23, 2015 1:16 PM  

I think I just fell into the trap myself.

Anonymous The Big Swede November 23, 2015 1:20 PM  

106. Bill Ding

The train is fine.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 23, 2015 1:32 PM  

@87:

"If those Jews were SJW type Jews, or Tikun Olam type Jews, then there is very little Jewish abouth them beyond their ancestry, and they weren't acting as Jews."

Oh, they were acting as Jews alright - ethnic supremacy and meddling in the affairs of the other is the essence of Jewry, not a nationalist religion.

Blogger CM November 23, 2015 1:36 PM  

I'd argue it's better to admit that it's not about "His birth" (since He and His earthly family almost certainly never celebrated it as such anyway) and more about something symbolic

The Catholic church wins on this with the celebration of Advent... that looks forward to Christ's 2nd Coming while remembering His first. Since we only get to sing Christmas music in church for the 2 weeks of Christmas, Advent is filled with music about his promised arrival/return.

I assume the Naughty list includes all use of Xmas? I know it offends me

This offends my dad, too. Why, I do not know. It is a perfectly legitimate abbreviation for Christmas. The X is the Greek chi which is part of the greek word Christ. Ironically enough, the fish symbol used by the early church that christians like to post on their cars had the double meaning of "Fisher of men" and "Christ" due to its similarity to chi.

In fact, on many priestly stoles, you may find a chi-rho symbol of an x on a p with the p-symbol being elongated into a shepherd staff. Such beautiful imagery to be found.

OpenID joshtheaspie November 23, 2015 1:49 PM  

@85
Mary, Did You Know? - Pentatonix

As I recall, this one came out in the last couple of years, and I heard it quite a few places. It's not as popular yet, or "a classic" yet, but it is a new Christmas pop song, and very on subject.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 23, 2015 1:58 PM  

The X is the Greek chi which is part of the greek word Christ.

True. Now: how many of the people who say "X-mas" are referencing that, and how many are using it because they prefer a Christ-free holiday and are hoping for the Futurama outcome where people have forgotten the original meaning entirely?

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 23, 2015 2:00 PM  

If the SHOWDOWN AT THE NORTH POLE hasn't happened yet in your www ,Well than you did not get this from me.
As always I was never here,and I not here now.

DannyR

Anonymous FriarBob November 23, 2015 2:08 PM  

I'm not protestamt either. And yes I did keep both feasts. And will again next year. And I think Paul covered divorce quite well when he said it was adultery. So no, that wasn't a Catholic invention, kust codification.

Anonymous FriarBob November 23, 2015 2:14 PM  

It's very hard to spell greek in English, but the fish symbol has a very specific origin so I'll try anyway.

It comes from "iasous xristos, theos y sotere" which in acronym form becomes ixthys, i.e. fish.

So the X on its own has extremely little to do with the fish...

Blogger Student in Blue November 23, 2015 2:15 PM  

@CM
The Catholic church wins on this with the celebration of Advent... that looks forward to Christ's 2nd Coming while remembering His first.

Any Christian church worth their salt celebrates Advent. It's definitely not a Roman Catholic thing only.

Blogger Student in Blue November 23, 2015 2:17 PM  

Regardless, the key point is a commercialized, secular take over of a time set aside to remember and celebrate Christ's birth.

Blogger Tom K. November 23, 2015 3:11 PM  

An excellent point. I wasnanpart if the last generation to actually celebrate Christmas in school. We sang loudly about "Long lay the world in sin and terror pinning till he appeared and the soul felt its worth. . .Fall on your knees! Hear the angel voices! Oh night divine! Oh night wrhen Christ was born."

It didn't lead to my salvation but it gave me an anchor to the goodness of God.

Blogger Tom K. November 23, 2015 3:15 PM  

Excellent reply and I love the connection to assburgers.

I wrote my quote from "Oh Holy Night" before seeing all the other mentions. Wow! There is something about that song!

Blogger Tom K. November 23, 2015 3:20 PM  

Shut the fuck up! I know all about religious oppression.

As I said, I grew up during the last generation to celebrate Christian culture and before we understood how ourb"tolerant" brand of Christianity would force us to surrender our rightful social dominance.

We watched our faith be driven from the Marketplace and civic square and we let it happen.

BUT NO MORE!

Blogger Rusty Fife November 23, 2015 3:24 PM  

@87 natschuster

Ahh, the 'No True Jew' fallacy; AKA NAJALT.

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 3:24 PM  

@126 Maple Curtain:


"If those Jews were SJW type Jews, or Tikun Olam type Jews, then there is very little Jewish abouth them beyond their ancestry, and they weren't acting as Jews."

Oh, they were acting as Jews alright - ethnic supremacy and meddling in the affairs of the other is the essence of Jewry, not a nationalist religion."

Well, if being the Chosen People means ethnic supremacy, then I guess so. But I don't recall learning anywhere that Jews are suppose to meddle in other people affairs, beyond teaching and attempting to set a good example.

Blogger Tom K. November 23, 2015 3:31 PM  

Loved the old Rita Rudner bit.

"We were Jewish but we celebrated Christmas. But it wasn't a Christmas tree. It was a...(to audience) Hanukha Bush! Right.

We said that to our Rabbi and he said, " So who's that baby in the manger?"

"His name is Jamie!"

"And who are those three wise men?"

"Those are his lawyers."

Love to see non-Christians celebrate Christmas.

I grew up in Japan and Christmas is big there, too. I understand it's big in India, too. Except they really miss it. They think Santa Claus is a Christian god! Yikes.

Anonymous Dave #39 November 23, 2015 3:35 PM  

@132

No, not hard to transliterate Koine Greek into English, but do try to do it correctly. I won't give you the correct spelling, but a basic transliteration of the chi (X) is ch. Your last Greek phrase is also way off. The genetive is in there. Google it at least.

This marks two major errors today, thus establisZhing your lack of credibility.

I do hope you were born Jewish, as the NT is quite clear that to keep any of the ritual law you must keep all of it.

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 3:48 PM  

@138: Rusty Fife


"Ahh, the 'No True Jew' fallacy; AKA NAJALT."

Well, if a person's lifestyle and belief system is completely different than ~3000 years of Jewish living and most of the Jewish canon, then he isn't a true Jew. yes.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 23, 2015 3:57 PM  

Nice to see the Church of England actually defending Christianity and the Archbishop actually being Christian for once.

As for said list, I'm no VFM just Ilk , maybe somewhat tremulously feared Ilk at most but I'll happily add to the list when I run across anything.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 23, 2015 3:58 PM  

Christmas Pop? Does Light of the Stable qualify? Emmylou, Dolly, Linda Ronstadt, Ricky Skaggs, Neil Young, et al....

Blogger Kirk Parker November 23, 2015 3:58 PM  

Markku,

I can only say that Finland must have a kinder, gentler version of heavy metal that what I have otherwise experienced. All the traditional chords and melody... what's not to like?

Blogger CM November 23, 2015 3:58 PM  

Any Christian church worth their salt celebrates Advent. It's definitely not a Roman Catholic thing only.

It isn't in pentecostal/baptist/assemblies from what I've seen. I am aware liturgical churches adhere to it.

Anonymous J. J. November 23, 2015 4:18 PM  

Well, apparently some people here love outrage more than people if Starbucks upsets you... or so says Ed Stetzer...

http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2015/november/when-we-love-outrage-more-than-people-starbucks-cups-and-yo.html

What do you think? Old Ed says "It's not Starbucks' job to share the love of Jesus. It's your job."

Hmmm....a pastor who directs heavy snark at Christians because he fears some coffee hipster SJWs might have been offended.... I'm trying to think, but isn't there a term for that around here???

Blogger Blume November 23, 2015 4:35 PM  

Baptist is a very loose affiliation so yes some do.

Blogger Kentucky Packrat November 23, 2015 4:38 PM  

Mary, Did You Know? - Pentatonix

As I recall, this one came out in the last couple of years, and I heard it quite a few places. It's not as popular yet, or "a classic" yet, but it is a new Christmas pop song, and very on subject.


For being a secular group, and one with members who would seem to have hard opposition to traditional Christian values (one homosexual member, one openly bisexual), Pentatonix is strongly traditional and very easy on the ear.

Mary, Do You Know makes me cry every time, and is 100% down-your-throat Jesus is God. Their Little Drummer Boy is one of the only versions I can stand, and their Carol of the Bells is excellent too. I'm even enamored of their secular Christmas songs (White Winter Hymnal and Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy).

I also like that they clean up dirty songs when they cover them, and (as an aside) they work with Lindsey Sterling too.

I'm quite willing to keep Pentatonix on the Friends list until they force me to take them off.

Anonymous Vera S November 23, 2015 4:43 PM  

Mr. Wright:

No member the current cour or the previous 50 courts have attempted to make the case that the incorporation doctrine doesn't reflect sound Comstitutional interpretation.

Even Thomas, the dimmest of the Justices, affirms the doctrine, linking it to the privileges and immunities clause rather than the 14th.

Incorporation denial doesn't get you where you want and certainly can't help the post's author, who was clearly posing.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 23, 2015 4:46 PM  

If you like Glam Metal Twisted Sister has a Christmas album called Twisted Sister Twisted Christmas

Their version of Oh Come All Ye Faithful is well novel anyway.

The front man Dee Snider is a professed Christian who despite his walk on the dark side with Strangeland (the rather dated 1990's body piercing, body horror movie)

Blogger Danby November 23, 2015 4:58 PM  

@150
Even Thomas, the dimmest of the Justices,
That phrase alone outs you as a dishonest interlocutor. Thomas is generall acknowledged as the smartest member of the court, certainly well ahead of Sotomayor, Ginsberg, Roberts and Kennedy in both intelligence and knowledge of the law.

Anonymous Vera S November 23, 2015 5:08 PM  

Danby...says you.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 23, 2015 5:58 PM  

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Blogger Maple Curtain November 23, 2015 6:01 PM  

@142: so, these hundreds of thousands, nay millions or three or four, of secular types who call themselves Jews, act in concert for the benefit of their in-group, and treat all out-groups (the other, the "goyim") as a lesser form of life, all the while acting as fifth columnists in the nations of these others, to the detriment of these others, are not Jews?

OK, got it.

You're having a laugh, troll, but not for much longer.

How about we agree to call them Eskimos, instead?

Blogger Kirk Parker November 23, 2015 6:03 PM  

Vera @ 153: I am Danby!

Blogger Danby November 23, 2015 6:09 PM  

@153
Says Think Progress
Says Prospect.org
Says Slate.com
Says AboveTheLaw.com
Sas the-american-interest.com

Furthermore, you dishonest, cretinous goon, you actually misrepresent Thomas' position. he actually has expressed his approval, in public, of overturning the incorporation doctrine.
Why do you hate blacks so much, you racist fucktard?

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 6:15 PM  

@155:

First of all. I think your numbers are off. And many secular Jews do not act for the good of the group. Many woudl rather die than be accused of favoring Jews. And the worst thing that can happen to a secular Jews is to be scene associating with a religious
Jew. They love Goyim. That's why they marry them so often.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 6:17 PM  

@9 Markku
I will appropriate the shit out of a culture I think superior in the thing I'm appropriating. That is only appropriate.
---
+10 Christmas Tree Stars

Blogger natschuster November 23, 2015 6:18 PM  

@155:

See, they are trying assimilate as quickly as they can. Have you ever scene the statistics on Jewish assimilation, the vanishin Jew etc.? Where's the tribalism in that? It makes me want to cry, not laugh.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 6:23 PM  

@26 Brand Man
When "George Washington High School" goes black, goes violent and gets stupid, empower white people to remove Washington's name from the school.
---

For cost savings, you could reuse some of the names by combining them differently. In this case, rename it the George Jefferson High School

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 6:25 PM  

@28 Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery
Meanwhile, VFM Santa approaches the AO.

---

That's gonna be a holly, jolly Christmas right there

Blogger Maple Curtain November 23, 2015 6:26 PM  

@160: As one of "the other," I'm unconcerned with your tribal concerns. To us, you're all Jews and all fifth columnists.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 6:30 PM  

@51 Mr.MantraMan
And no Merry Christmas for Bohm, he is an asshole.
---

Can't he at least get a lump of coal shaped like an asterisk?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 6:33 PM  

@53 Bohm
Nice..
1. Chik-fil-A
2. Hobby Lobby

Looks like junior is getting a nice Pine effect photo frame this year and barbecued chicken wings for Christmas dinner.
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Puppy-Sperg: They don't have wings and those pine are actually laminate

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 23, 2015 6:36 PM  

LITTLE DRUMMER BOY CELTIC WOMAN

DannyR

Blogger Danby November 23, 2015 6:46 PM  

Many would rather die than be accused of favoring Jews.

I'm going to assume you know a lot more Jews than I do, but I've never met that Jew.

Blogger Tom K. November 23, 2015 6:50 PM  

Loved the old Rita Rudner bit.

"We were Jewish but we celebrated Christmas. But it wasn't a Christmas tree. It was a...(to audience) Hanukha Bush! Right.

We said that to our Rabbi and he said, " So who's that baby in the manger?"

"His name is Jamie!"

"And who are those three wise men?"

"Those are his lawyers."

Love to see non-Christians celebrate Christmas.

I grew up in Japan and Christmas is big there, too. I understand it's big in India, too. Except they really miss it. They think Santa Claus is a Christian god! Yikes.

Blogger Silly But True November 23, 2015 7:12 PM  

It's true. Only a god could possibly have moves like that...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=csvFievE95c

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 7:36 PM  

@169 Silly But True
It's true. Only a god could possibly have moves like that...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=csvFievE95c
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Wow, someone is competing with Japan for crazy wierdness.

Blogger Danby November 23, 2015 7:52 PM  

Wow, someone is competing with Japan for crazy wierdness.
Well, after that i jsut had to look (having read the book)

Verdict: Sorry, nobody comes close to Japan.

Anonymous TroperA November 23, 2015 8:19 PM  

Well, I am a freaking Constitutional lawyer with a sheepskin on my wall to prove it, catiff, and I can confirm without doubt that the First Amendment interpretation banning Congress from establishing religion or hindering its free exercise is being outrageously abused and perverted by the High Court rulings, under the doctrine of incorporation, banning prayer in school, crosses on war memorials for the dead, and displays of the Ten Commandments in courthouses.

Could we use the First Amendment to make a case declaring Progressivism (or any Marxist-derived philosophy) a religion? Because it seems that a huge chunk of the State's resources are devoted to the spread of this religion, which would itself seem to go against the First Amendment. Any black-knighting lawyers willing to take on the task of exposing this fact and advocating for the purging of this religion from all public institutions?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 23, 2015 8:26 PM  

@171 Danby
Verdict: Sorry, nobody comes close to Japan.
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I concede the point !

Blogger Desiderius November 23, 2015 9:02 PM  

"O Holy Night is thick with great theology. These lines explain the entire raison d'etre for Christmas.

Long lay the world in sin and error pining,
Till he appeared and the soul felt its worth.
The thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices,
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn.

Christmas is a reminder that it wasn't always like this. Grace wasn't always available to us gentiles. And even to Jews, keeping the Law was taxing work. Spirit was given with measure, and could be taken away, even from King David.

Christmas reminds of that moment when the Word of God, with all majesty and glory, condescended for us an became a helpless little baby. Christmas is what made Easter possible.

Christmas should keep our minds, collectively, in that moment those lines speak of. Midday - Easter - had not come yet. But a new and glorious morn had."

Preach, brother.

Always looked forward to returning home to sing O Holy Night with the choir at the midnight Christmas Eve service with the church that raised me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7uiqRCW6I8

Appropriate for appropriation!

Blogger Student in Blue November 23, 2015 10:59 PM  

@CM

It isn't in pentecostal/baptist/assemblies from what I've seen. I am aware liturgical churches adhere to it.

Like I said...

teasing aside, my entire point was that there were indeed several non-Roman Catholic churches who do Advent.

Anonymous Vera S November 23, 2015 10:59 PM  

Danby:

When it counted, in opinions and dissents, Thomasa argued in favor of incorporation....But even more importantly, Thomas has been unable to convince a single other justice sitting on the court with him since being appointed that his view of the incorporation doctrine (that it is illegitimate) is correct. And I suspect this is why he's never voiced such an idea in an opinion or a dissent. It's not that he's radical. It's not that he's dumb. It's a matter of his legal arguments being wholly unconvincing and him knowing it.

All that said, Thomas' unconvincing arguments at least are being made by someone who knows the constitution intimately. Including it's history. However the author of this post who wrote, "Since the First Amendment has been dishonestly interpreted in a broadly expansive manner that does little more than attack Christianity" is a poser who has little to no clue what they are talking about.

It sort of makes one yearn for the days before the internet when published works usually had an editor who knew the subject matter working with the author and who made sure they didn't write something too idiotic.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 23, 2015 11:09 PM  

DEAR SANTA
DannyR

Anonymous Houseman November 23, 2015 11:11 PM  

'Could we use the First Amendment to make a case declaring Progressivism (or any Marxist-derived philosophy) a religion?"

Yes, yes. You should definitely do that. After that you should try to use the first amendment to show that loving your pet and drinking milk is a religion.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 24, 2015 12:19 AM  

THE FIRST NOEL
DannyR69er

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 24, 2015 12:58 AM  

@104 I don't like any version where "fall on your knees!" sounds like a suggestion.
I agree, I bend my knee to no one but JESUS,as I make the statement THE HONOR IS TO SERVE
DannyR

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God November 24, 2015 1:05 AM  

Practice your own faith, whether it be Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

"Freedom of religion only works so long as there is a tolerant religion that is sufficiently dominant".

In a word, no.

James Madison applauded the Constitution for its contribution by safeguarding religious freedom for ALL citizens by eliminating the government's voice in ecclesiastical matters, as well as putting those radicals in their place who called for one religion to be exclusive in our society or to monopolize the nation. To Madison, "the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States" was the surest guarantee of "the sacred principle of religious liberty."

Again, practice your faith whatever it is.

Anonymous TheVillagsIdiot(Ret.) November 24, 2015 1:21 AM  

John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and our second President.

Blogger ray November 24, 2015 4:17 AM  

"Try this experiment: when you sing a Christmas carol, do you feel love towards a pagan deity, or the Lord Jesus?"


Good idea, that's a pretty revealing test. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen or Hark the Herald Angels or It Came Upon a Midnight Clear give me that Jesus vibe, maybe a little sentimental but sincere. I sure don't think of Constantine or church machinations or pagan rites.

It's good that some Christians warn against paganizing Christmas, I'm ok with that, material glut etc, but with all that's going on nowdays, I don't see God getting too offended by generosity and selflessness at Christmas.

Take advantage of the light while it lasts.

Blogger ray November 24, 2015 4:24 AM  

"O Holy Night is thick with great theology"


Yeah that one is amazing. Just oozes spirit.

I played O Holy Night for a bunch of pagans before Christmas one year. To kind of let them know what they were missing.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 24, 2015 10:18 AM  

At times like this I ask myself - what would Jesus do? Fortunately his repertoire expanded beyond whips and table flipping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhrYPoCa6M

Now that I think about it, that clip really reminds me of some of the fights here...

Blogger Danby November 24, 2015 12:56 PM  

Again, practice your faith whatever it is.
If you're a Aztec, feel free to rip the living heaqrt out of your captives atop a mid-town building at midday.
If you're a Muslim, rejoice as you behead the infidel and Jew who refuse to submit to Allah.
If you're a Nuginian, it's okay to hunt down opponents and consume the various parts of them to gain in their superlative abilities.
Hindi are welcome to cast widows onto the funeral pyre.
Even devotees of Santeria should round up stray dogs and cats to offer blood sacrifice.

@181 says it's what you should do.
Or maybe religious tolerance is only possible when there's not a lot of difference between religions, and the standards of behavior are close enough. And the religions involved all believe at a fundamental in freedom of conscience. You know, like Christianity.
The mistake of the founders was thinking that any religion besides Christianity and Buddhism actually had any support for the freedom of conscience that makes freedom of religion possible.

Blogger SirHamster November 24, 2015 4:07 PM  

The mistake of the founders was thinking that any religion besides Christianity and Buddhism actually had any support for the freedom of conscience that makes freedom of religion possible.

That, or they didn't think their successors would be retarded enough to import them.

"You invited believers of WHAT into the country we left you? Did you miss the part about this being a republic for a moral people?"

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God November 24, 2015 9:00 PM  

"John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798..."

Note that Adams did NOT indicate which religion. Moreover, Adams unfortunately stated, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”


“If you're a Aztec, feel free to rip the living heaqrt out of your captives atop a mid-town building at midday.”

If you’re a zealous Portuguese missionary, feel free use torture on the natives of Goa who were practicing Hindus to ensure their Christian upbringing.

“If you're a Muslim, rejoice as you behead the infidel and Jew who refuse to submit to Allah.”

The Idumaens were forced to convert to Judaism, either by threats of exile or death.

“If you're a Nuginian, it's okay to hunt down opponents and consume the various parts of them to gain in their superlative abilities.

In the Massacre of Verden (782), Charlemagne had 4,500 captive Saxons massacred upon rebelling against conversion.

“Hindi are welcome to cast widows onto the funeral pyre.”

The “Stolen Generations” were the children of Australian Aboriginals descent removed from their families by the Australian governmental agencies and church missions for conversion.

“Even devotees of Santeria should round up stray dogs and cats to offer blood sacrifice.”

The children of Great Plains tribes were immersed in European-American culture through appearance changes with haircuts, forbidden to speak their native languages, and instilled with harsh discipline to eradicate the last vestiges of “camp life”.

ALL religious groups have in some way, shape, or form acted “barbaric”. Such is the nature of human beings and sin.


"Did you miss the part about this being a republic for a moral people?"

Were slaveholders or northern industrialists who implemented wage slavery a "moral people"?

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