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Thursday, November 19, 2015

Europe Belongs to Us

"Europe's anti-immigration and hard-right parties are on the warpath":
It seems like everywhere you look in continental Europe, the hard right is gaining ground.

Today, it's the turn of the Sweden Democrats.

In 2014, the hard-right party came in third place on 12.9% of the vote, shocking international commentators. By comparison, the party got just 5.7% of the vote in 2010, and 1.49% in 2006.

They've only been getting more popular since and on Thursday Yougov published a poll that puts the Sweden Democrats ahead on 26.7%, 5 points clear of any other party.

It's one of 7 polls since August that have put the party in the lead in one of the world's most open and liberal states. The Sweden Democrats have built support on the back of opposition to immigration in a country that has taken more refugees relative to the size of its population than any other European nation.

The Sweden Democrats are part of a group of European political figures and parties that don't all want to be associated with each other, but all share at least two common tenets: opposition to immigration and scepticism about the European Union. Some even advocate leaving the single currency.
First, I would like to note, as an American Indian, that I feel very microaggressed by the headline. Warpath? Seriously? Wow just wow!

Second, I would like to note that the only ones actually engaging in acts of war in Europe at the moment are the Middle Eastern migrants. Everyone, including the migrants, had better hope that the anti-immigration hard right takes power soon, because if the nationalists don't, the ultra-nationalists will.

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124 Comments:

Blogger CarpeOro November 19, 2015 12:41 PM  

"Some even advocate leaving the single currency."

The ones that don't will either come around or be supplanted by parties further to the right. The Euro is intrinsically tied to the rest of the mess with no viable separation point - other than ceasing to be a fiat currency, and that ain't happening.

Blogger Groot November 19, 2015 12:47 PM  

History has pendulums? I thought the SJWs had removed those.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 19, 2015 12:51 PM  

"...if the nationalists don't, the ultra-nationalists will."

Yup. This was part of the recipe for Hitler's ascendancy...the Nazis were seen as the only party with both the will and the strength to counter the Communists. If the normal political parties won't do what's obviously necessary, the extremists will be called in.

Blogger IM2L844 November 19, 2015 12:54 PM  

Most people don't seem to have any idea of what is actually happening. Salafism, the movement Obama insists is not Islamic, is the fastest growing movement within Islam and has been for some time. In light of the events of the last few years, this article by Christian Caryl at Foreign Policy from way back in 2012 is informative. There are many others if your Google-Fu doesn't suck.

Islam is the problem.

Blogger White Devil November 19, 2015 1:00 PM  

Anti-nationalists are wrecking your country and giving it away. If you want to oppose them, what position will you adopt?

The leftist obsession with redefining the terms of reality, - instead of coming to terms with reality, - appears to be the problem. Islam isn't the only batshit cult in need of a Reformation.

Blogger kiltedtiger November 19, 2015 1:01 PM  

kiltedtiger

I hope these folks get off the warpath by taking the onramp to the warautobahn

Anonymous karsten November 19, 2015 1:08 PM  

It's too far gone for the regular nationalists to suffice. The ultras need to clean things out; only then we can ease into regular nationalism as a kind of holding pattern to prevent future infestation.

Blogger Gaiseric November 19, 2015 1:15 PM  

I think it's hilarious that they're still calling the overtly socialist, Leftist Sweden Democrats the "hard right."

Anonymous Dave #39 November 19, 2015 1:23 PM  

Don't get too upset with "warpath". When they start talking about taking scalps, then key up! Time for some good old fashioned macro aggression.

Anonymous Wildbill November 19, 2015 1:36 PM  

Speaking of being microaggressed, I hope you've all seen this video on the state of Modern Educayshun by now.

Anonymous the raven November 19, 2015 1:37 PM  

With the internationalist left doubling down on the poz, and the nationalist right steadily gaining, the big question is whether this can be decided without another world war. With International Jewry steadily losing control, at what point do they declare war on the nationalists with the still-pozzed countries like the UK that they still do control? It seems unlikely that they will relinquish what they won in WWII without another fight to the death (I mean the deaths of their patsies, of course).

Blogger Student in Blue November 19, 2015 1:41 PM  

@Gaiseric

They love their nation, thus they must be those eeeeebil far-right-wingers.

Blogger Sam vfm #111 November 19, 2015 1:47 PM  

"...if the nationalists don't, the ultra-nationalists will."

Yep

Tomorrow belongs to me

Anonymous Wildbill November 19, 2015 1:49 PM  

Being called "un-American" by Obama for not wanting Syrian refugees takes me back to the tea party days when supporting the Constitution got you labeled as a "terrorist." I'm getting vertigo in a culture that wants to switch right and wrong, call a man a woman, hate Christians and embrace the "religion of peace"... It is so backward it makes my head hurt as libtards redefine the basic pillars of common sense, i.e. logic.

Blogger Jourdan November 19, 2015 1:56 PM  

I think as nationalists, we are very fortunate in our enemies. If they simply bided their time, they would win. But they are raising the temperature of the frog (no pun intended, mis amis francaises) too fast and he's noticed something is up.

Blogger Doom November 19, 2015 2:07 PM  

Hmm? Being that Europe is secular so it really doesn't matter? I am pulling for them to hold out for the ultranationalists. The world has been there before and it works out quite well... for some of us. *cough* Love me some natzi and comtard bitches. Bound to lose, though they will take the trash out on the way. Too bad for Jews, but they vote and buy those sorts in, so can't really give a hoot.

Anonymous bw November 19, 2015 2:10 PM  

the hard right

Propaganda. BS since WWjew. It is simply The Right.
Notice you've never heard MSM discuss The Hard Left in the last 7 decades - ever since the Globalists gave half of Europe to Communist Russia, among other things.
Saul Alinsky : Mentor to POTUS. HARD LEFT - You stupid, Lying-by-omission HuffPo Regressive nature-hating propagandists.

they would win. But they are raising the temperature of the frog (no pun intended, mis amis francaises) too fast

And we must be open to possibilities and all questions : might this be purposeful on some agencies part? Are they trying to stir the whites or is it certainty that WesternSocialism is the true fundie religion now and that Global Consumerism can shift people about and continue apace and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about the resultant White Genocide?
It surely isn't the favorite excuse of "ignorance" on the part of the treasonous, traitorous White Elites, as some often posit.
Don't throw me in that "Stupid" Bria' Patch, Suh !!
They either believe you can't stop them and their agenda, or someone is trying to get a reaction out of the Socialist Egal Whites.

Anonymous Jay Will November 19, 2015 2:11 PM  

Whitey fighting with Islam is all part of the plan.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 19, 2015 2:11 PM  

The refugee bill passed the House by a margin of 289-137. Out of 432 house votes, that's literally one vote short of a veto-proof majority. 47 Democrats voted alongside nearly all of the GOP to pass it.

Blogger Jourdan November 19, 2015 2:16 PM  

that's literally one vote short of a veto-proof majority

Yes, which everyone here knows and which was calculated to the last vote, to allow as many as felt they needed to to vote against accepting more refugees while also knowing that their vote will never translate into law or policy, as everyone here knows it's going to be veto'ed.

Blogger Sheila4g November 19, 2015 2:17 PM  

@19 And this magic "refugee bill" actually changes . . . NOTHING. It merely requires an extra fig leaf of authorization by one of Obama's appointees - in other words, yet another gold-plated US government guarantee that the refugees have been vetted. Are you, perforce, in the market for a bridge?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 2:19 PM  

@7 The ultras need to clean things out; only then we can ease into regular nationalism as a kind of holding pattern to prevent future infestation.

I don't think that's going to happen...ultranationalist, as evident by the Fascists and National Socialists of last century are going to be a problem. They aren't going to stop once they are in power and I imagine things will get bloody. The problem being, as everyone here has seen, is that the foreseeable alternative right now is worse. Being told to submit your entire being to the nation wont very palatable for many but it is a good deal more palatable htan being forced to submit to Allah. The worst part about this is that if the ultra-nationalists take power, and if things do get more bloody, it would have been entirely preventable through the simple implementation of not insane immigration and cultural policies.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 19, 2015 2:26 PM  

@20 @21

I wasn't saying it changed anything, just reporting for anyone who hadn't seen it yet.

The FBI director already said they don't have sufficient records to actually do a proper screening of these people, so the bill wouldn't have had much effect, and the State Dept. spokeswoman said they stop tracking refugees after 3 months anyway.

So even granted the premise that actual innocent people should be granted shelter here, we have no way to know how many of them are innocent, nor what they will be doing after the end of their 1st season here; which itself assumes any significant level of scrutiny during that season.

And even the adjective 'innocent' is undefined here, because 51% of the Muslims we've already got support replacing the Constitution with sharia, and we can hardly imagine that these refugees, 97% of whom are Muslim, won't hook up with existing Muslim groups and then become a problem for us. Which itself assumes that none of them are actually ISIS operatives.

Blogger CarpeOro November 19, 2015 2:27 PM  

Reading comments caused me to muse that a point avoided by the MSM is that the NSDAP was nationalist and the communists that opposed them were internationalists. Beyond that, they were both socialist. Sweden is seeing the same from the comments here - one set of socialists care about their own people sharing the wealth while the other is intent on bringing the benefits to all the "deserving" in the Third World by bringing them in. While it may be recognizable as lose - lose you don't have to be very bright to also see one is even worse for your own people.

Blogger David-2 November 19, 2015 2:32 PM  

"The Sweden Democrats have built support on the back of opposition to immigration in a country that has taken more refugees relative to the size of its population than any other European nation."

Fox Butterfield, is that you? (with apologies to James Taranto)

Blogger VD November 19, 2015 2:34 PM  

The worst part about this is that if the ultra-nationalists take power, and if things do get more bloody, it would have been entirely preventable through the simple implementation of not insane immigration and cultural policies.

As I have been warning for literally years now. The result of which was primarily to get me called a Nazi by people supporting the policies guaranteed to lead to National Socialism 2.0.

Blogger Culture War Draftee November 19, 2015 2:35 PM  

I think the choice may be between political parties that value national identity (which I guess qualifies you as an acolyte of Hitler in SJW-speak) and pogroms. I suspect that the elites (with a few honorable exceptions) are so determined to bar any hint of debate on immigration that they would prefer riots, mobs, vigilante attacks, and any sort of violence to letting a party like the Sweden Democrats have even a measure of power.

The day-to-day crime in places like Malmo, Rotherham, and the French banlieus bears this out.

Blogger White Devil November 19, 2015 2:38 PM  

Cogitans Iuvenis
They aren't going to stop once they are in power and I imagine things will get bloody.
Bloody is relative. Isreal is a good example. Part of that has to do with relative power. If America had Apache Helicopters and when it was dealing with the Apaches, things might have been gentler.

it would have been entirely preventable
True. Just ask the Russian royal family. Consequences don't occur, but accumulate. But the left are now the biggest culprit of "sweep it under the rug" syndrome.

Islam is popular with progressives because in their hearts, they know it is a fake religion. They can identify with it safely. They can even join it with the secret superiority nestled in their psyche: They're above all this Koran business.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 19, 2015 2:39 PM  

@26

Once I finally understood what you were driving at, I've been using that exact argument with the people I talk to.

Blogger Takin' a Look November 19, 2015 2:43 PM  

@ theraven

"With International Jewry steadily losing control.."

I have been reading Jim Stone's rehash on Joshua Ryne Goldberg. (Yes, Dread Ilk, I disagree totally with his stance on "Good Musloids")

Anyways.....I think the Internationalists/Sabbateans/Satanic Luciferians, Ickean Jewish Space Lizard Royalty, whatever TF you want to call 'em, have drunk their own mind pozz. They're using basement-dwelling kosher cheeto-stained neckbeards to stir shit up with the musloids nowadays. (Face/palm)

Anonymous Discard November 19, 2015 2:44 PM  

I have read that there were people in Germany known as "beefsteak" Nazis; Brown on the outside, Red on the inside. They were leftists who changed sides, once the NSDAP came to power. How many young lefties today are sick of melanin worship? The freak shows now playing at some colleges must be causing some people to connect the dots.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 19, 2015 2:53 PM  

(((Barbara Spectre))) says:

Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies [sic] that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive

and

We need a Jewish community in Europe. Israel needs a Jewish community in Europe. Israel cannot exist, both economically and politically, without Europe. They are necessary advocates for Jewish issues.

Blogger Desiderius November 19, 2015 2:53 PM  

"one set of socialists care about their own people sharing the wealth while the other is intent on bringing the benefits to all the "deserving" in the Third World by bringing them in. While it may be recognizable as lose - lose you don't have to be very bright to also see one is even worse for your own people."

If the choice is between caring about our own people by sharing the wealth and screwing one's own people to amass as much wealth as possible to oneself, a healthy people chooses the former. That's only lose-lose when the only people advocating the former are socialists.

Blogger Desiderius November 19, 2015 2:57 PM  

Groot,

"History has pendulums? I thought the SJWs had removed those."

That's above their pay grade.

Anonymous Wildbill November 19, 2015 2:58 PM  

Unfortunately, prior to the rise of an ultra-nationalist government, we are going to have to deal with years of an increased police state. Bombs in NYC and DC won't stop the flow of refugees but it will increase the number of LEOs and spying much like after 9/11 or Boston. TSA is only going to get worse. Look at the new laws France has just passed to get into the business of all its people.

Common sense says the muzzies are the enemy but the state will treat the people as the enemy because raciss. It will be a painful process before Reconquista 2.0 is underway...

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 19, 2015 2:59 PM  

@33

And you second option describes... what economic arrangement again? There's no such thing as "sharing the wealth" except through voluntary charity; anything else constitutes theft.

Blogger White Devil November 19, 2015 3:02 PM  

Discard
How many young lefties today are sick of melanin worship? The freak shows now playing at some colleges must be causing some people to connect the dots.
You've nailed a lot of it, but it's also about resources. You can share a library with an astounding number of people, so long as they're not Black Lives Matter. No matter how much I like communism (among families, friends and colleagues) there exist people that will spoil it.

That's why people traditionally shift from left to right as they age: They realize you can't fix humanity. As each decade offers fewer jobs and freedoms to young adults, those young adults make that shift sooner, rather than later (or never.)

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 3:04 PM  

@28

I'm actually thinking about the aftermath. Ultra-nationalism is an extremist ideology, as it is collectivist whereas regular old patriotism/nationalism still allows for individualism, it has no qualms going straight to the knife, whether it is appropriate or not, against foes real or perceived. It won't end with just the expulsion of Muslims or the dismantling of the EU. A At a minimum you will see national insurgencies spring up in places like Catalonia. I also expect significant reduction in civil liberties by ultra-nationalistic governments (to be fair this will probably happen before they take power anyways). An ultranationalist government may not go all Hitlery when it comes to power but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I mean, they say things happen in threes right?

Blogger Nate November 19, 2015 3:08 PM  

"First, I would like to note, as an American Indian, that I feel very microaggressed by the headline. "

So brave. Thanks for this.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 3:10 PM  

Freiheit! Freiheit!
Ist das einzige, was zaehlt.

Blogger James Dixon November 19, 2015 3:10 PM  

> They aren't going to stop once they are in power and I imagine things will get bloody.

Things will get bloody before they are in power. That's why they'll get into power.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 3:15 PM  

@40

Understood, the possibility of it not getting bloody in regards to Muslims is getting increasingly remote so I am treating that as a given. I'm speaking strictly about the aftermath. If I were in Europe I would have a plan for what to do during the first round of violence with the Muslims and a plan for the ultra nationalists. How can someone say for sure that the ultra nationals then won't turn on others....say Americans living abroad?

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 3:16 PM  

Things are already bloody. The only open question is when the traitors and invaders start to do the bleeding.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 19, 2015 3:21 PM  

There is much power to be had by skewering the taboos of the day, ask Trump and he barely scratches the surface, but he does know how to disqualify his antagonists.

As for my experience with white nats they would sell their grandmothers for a positive mention in the NYTs, they love them some smart badges and the left has them. So I hope the Euros have a better class of nats.

Anonymous Wildbill November 19, 2015 3:24 PM  

Unfortunately, prior to the rise of an ultra-nationalist government, we are going to have to deal with years of an increased police state. Bombs in NYC and DC won't stop the flow of refugees but it will increase the number of LEOs and spying much like after 9/11 or Boston. TSA is only going to get worse. Look at the new laws France has just passed to get into the business of all its people.

Common sense says the muzzies are the enemy but the state will treat the people as the enemy because raciss. It will be a painful process before Reconquista 2.0 is underway...

Blogger Gaiseric November 19, 2015 3:25 PM  

I have read that there were people in Germany known as "beefsteak" Nazis; Brown on the outside, Red on the inside. They were leftists who changed sides, once the NSDAP came to power. How many young lefties today are sick of melanin worship? The freak shows now playing at some colleges must be causing some people to connect the dots.

That's not really the same thing, though. The NSDAP was always competing for the same constituency as the Communists, because they advocated similar Marxist policies. It's hilarious how even "serious" historians like Shirer refuse to see that. They refuse to see what the Nazi Party Platform actually says. They refuse to address the fact that the Communists and the Nazis block voted together on most issues in the Reichstag because they were both adherents to the same basic ideology—it was just a question of competing hetmen to lead the ideology. What you're talking about is getting people to actually abandon the ideology, not shift loyalty from one faction to another within the ideology.

As it happens, Horst Wessel himself was one of those so-called beefsteak Nazis; a former communist who became emotionally attached to the Nazis instead, became somewhat famous with them, and then was killed by a communist in a turf war. There are rumors that prior to his martyrdom he was growing disillusioned with the Nazis too.

Blogger Robert November 19, 2015 3:35 PM  

Note that all these stabbing attacks in Israel are only possible because Palestinian Arabs are in daily contact with Palestinian Jews. Sooner or later the Jews will figure out that they need to rid their country of all Muslims, setting the stage for a true Jewish nation. This will be a clear demonstration to every other country in the world that the only path to safety and cohesiveness is to remove all Muslims from any personal contact with civilized people. And all trade should be strictly on a cash basis, with careful pre-inspection of all inbound cargo, paid for by the Muslims. Savagery has consequences. They need to be enforced with all severity.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 3:38 PM  

@ 45

Spot on, both the Nazis and Communists were collectivist ideologies utterly opposed to individualism and traditional liberal (not this progressive crap that is sold to us as liberal) values that are/were the basis of western society.

Blogger White Devil November 19, 2015 3:44 PM  

An ultranationalist government may not go all Hitlery when it comes to power but I'm not going to hold my breath.
As Vox said about the Hugo's, those that think his readership would blindly vote for a rabid puppies slate don't know his readership. Fascists and Communists were ready to change ideologies, but not surrender their ideology for personal responsibility.

Another tangent:

Rules of Three are how humans see the world. Past-Present-Future, Three Act Structure, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly. If you mean third world war, we might already be in it.

Isn't that the point of the 4G war talk? Those that understand what war they're fighting win. Bring cavalry to WWI and they meet the machine gun. Bring barbed wire to WWII and tank columns roll right over it.

Putin is bombing oil infrastructure in Syria, but if the infrastructure supporting ISIS is the German welfare state, turning off the oil revenue won't stop the war.

I'm making this up as I go. Vox's post about urban self-defense the other day was probably a better example: bring a knife to a gunfight and you're done. How to bring that back to politics? How about this:

If we're going to prevent the west from going #FullHitler, maybe we need to convince right wing pundits things have changed. The Left isn't lying about the science of climate change because they want to win. They're lying because they don't believe in science (as an idea) at all.

Anonymous Bobby Farr November 19, 2015 3:49 PM  

Given the overwhelming dominance of the far left in all social institutions in the West, I don't see anyone other than the "ultranationalists" having a shot at implementing change. You can't unseat extremists with a moderate conservative party.

Blogger Bard November 19, 2015 3:49 PM  

I would officially like to validate your microaggression and be the first to offer you the peace pipe.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 19, 2015 3:54 PM  

The Left isn't lying about the science of climate change because they want to win. They're lying because they don't believe in science (as an idea) at all.

Forgive me for thinking that was a given.

Blogger Matamoros November 19, 2015 4:05 PM  

Here is a very good Catholic evaluation of the Christian response to the muslim invasion -

Islamic Refugee Crisis: Good Samaritan or Maccabean Response? Or both

http://taylormarshall.com/2015/11/islamic-refugee-crisis-good-samaritan-or-maccabean-response-or-both.html

Blogger Matamoros November 19, 2015 4:06 PM  

It is very good that we have at least Catholic leaders beginning to support and uphold Catholic teaching on destroying muslim invaders.

Islam delenda est!

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 4:08 PM  

@ 48

That's because fundamentally there is no ideological difference between National Socialists and Communists. As for the threes, it was simply an in cheek reference for the US sending our boys over to Europe to fight their wars. If I were to answer more seriously, the world wars started out as inter-continental infighting on who would be the premier power of Europe specifically in regards Germany. The idea that the EU has become subservient to Germany does exist within some in Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/485699/Germany-s-march-to-control-Europe-is-now-relentless

http://www.socialeurope.eu/2013/03/germany-has-created-an-accidental-empire/

I mean, if we really get down to it, I don't think the Europeans have really ever solved, or come to terms, with what lead up to the world wars. In fact, I would say this is definitely the case given how the elite reflexively recoil at anything with the hint of nationalism and trying to force a non-nation to exist.

Isn't that the point of the 4G war talk? Those that understand what war they're fighting win.

I don't disagree, those talks are useful. I am just focusing one one aspect. How you deal with the ultra-nationals will be different then how you deal with the islamists. I imagine that if you find yourself the target of ultra-nationals, who are in power, they will enjoy significantly more broad support than the dealth cultists will have.

That would actually be a very interesting talk to listen to. How do you survive when you find yourself in an area where a group wants you dead and has local support and you don't have the ability to emigrate.

Blogger Jourdan November 19, 2015 4:12 PM  

That's because fundamentally there is no ideological difference between National Socialists and Communists.

In any just world, you would just have been placed on /ignore by everyone on Earth.

Blogger Salt November 19, 2015 4:19 PM  

This is currently listed on Drudge -

8 SYRIANS CAUGHT AT TEXAS BORDER...
SIXTH with Fake Passport Captured in Honduras...
And One in Costa Rica...
UPDATE: 47 House Dems 'Defy Obama', Vote to Halt...
Media Cheer President's Refugee Plan...
SYRIAN COMMUNITY LEADER: ISIS ALREADY IN USA...
Refugees CANNOT be vetted, get 'real' docs from govt...
Coming for years, 'already at work'...
'Throngs' of illegals crossing TX border...
Six Men from Pakistan, Afghanistan Busted Entering AZ...
Mosque Meeting: 'Every One of You Are Terrorists!'
Messaging app used by Islamic State shuts down channels...
Alert for Men After 'Suspicious Activity' Near Pentagon...
State Dept Warns Americans Abroad to Steer Clear of Vatican...


And Obama wants more of it.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 4:22 PM  

" . . . "beefsteak" Nazis . . ."

Now we have "watermelons," green on the outside.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 19, 2015 4:23 PM  

@50
I can't believe you would engage in such a stereotypical Hollywood statement. You simply worsen the microaggression to a macroaggression. Such insensitivity.

Blogger Floyd Looney November 19, 2015 4:26 PM  

Sometimes I read about the parties that the MSM call "hard-right" and they're socialists who oppose immigration or leftists who oppose the EU for some reason. That label seems to get thrown around too much.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 4:30 PM  

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Blogger Floyd Looney November 19, 2015 4:31 PM  

NAZI's and communists are mass murdering Utopians, so there are real similarities. Then again, even today's Russia is the kind of country that would level a whole town to kill one guy.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 4:33 PM  

@Floyd Looney:

When you move the goalposts, you change the field.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 19, 2015 4:33 PM  

@55

Only by the idiots and that isn't a great loss. Honestl, I have to ask have you even read anything Mises wrote?

There is no uniform collectivist ideology, but many collectivist doctrines. Each of them extols a different collectivist entity and requests all decent people to submit to it. Each sect worships its own idol and is intolerant of all rival idols. Each ordains total subjection of the individual, each is totalitarian." -Ludwig Von Mises in Theory and History

Explain to me Jourdan how the above doesn't not fit National Socialism or Communism to a fucking T. It fits for fucking Salafism, Maoism, Wahhabism etc. Fuck! tell me how that doesn't describe Communism little brother Socialsim or SJWs?

If I am wrong enlighten me, but I don't think you can put together a coherent argument that invalidates that statement.

Anonymous Bz November 19, 2015 4:48 PM  

We will see how long this schizophrenic episode can last. Saber rattling and bombing Syria is merely a displacement activity in lieu of doing anything that actually will be effective, and it certainly doesn't help that columns of migrants are at the same time being waved through the borders, such as they are.

The current EU political system is out of gas, it lacks a credible response to what is going on. And that is why it will be replaced, in one way or another. LBF/R2.0.

Anonymous Bz November 19, 2015 4:51 PM  

Keep in mind that when you're on the hard-left, everything else looks hard-right. So very far away ...

Blogger CM November 19, 2015 4:55 PM  

You know this will likely be a "no shit" observation for most of y'all, but if we are importing all the 'good' moslems, aren't we gauranteeing more bad moslems will take over after ISIS is gone?

Blogger Student in Blue November 19, 2015 5:16 PM  

@CM

But there are no bad muslims, you see? And you're racist sexist homophobic for believing there are.

Anonymous Bohm November 19, 2015 5:21 PM  

'Europe belongs to us' says the Yank immigrant.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 19, 2015 5:22 PM  

Hitlery stealing her beloved pal GWB religion of peace blabber

Being this stupid, and being a presidential candidate. Hmm, what kind of rhetoric and fun can we have with this?

How
Is
This
Lefty
Equine-faced
Retard
Your presidential candidate?


Blogger Feather Blade November 19, 2015 5:23 PM  

@66 yep, and also stripping Syria of the majority of it's potential young male workforce, thus reducing the ability of the country to become the prosperous worker's paradis.... er... totally legit trade partner that we always knew it could be.

Blogger Marie November 19, 2015 5:26 PM  

@67 Student in Blue

"...And you're racist sexist homophobic for believing there are."

You forgot un-American coward who wants to turn her back on our values.

It throws me for a loop too because I thought this was the group who decided the word "values" was triggering. Or has everyone had enough therapy and we can say it now?

Anonymous WillBest November 19, 2015 5:26 PM  

After watching my wife's FB for the last couple days for all the narratives I have come to the realization that when WWIII or CW II happens (no idea which is coming first at this point), 20% won't even understand what is going on.

Is that historically normal prior to events of such magnitude?

Being called "un-American" by Obama for not wanting Syrian refugees takes me back to the tea party days when supporting the Constitution got you labeled as a "terrorist."

Refugees go home. At best these are immigrants, but as history shows they are invaders.

I tend to ask such people
"How many refugees are living in your home?" and my new thing as of yesterday was
"We could help FAR more refugees by supporting Jordan/Turkey/Lebanon in providing housing to Syrians than if we dragged them halfway across the globe and separated them from their kin and countrymen. Why are you against helping the most people possible?"

Blogger Student in Blue November 19, 2015 5:28 PM  

It throws me for a loop too because I thought this was the group who decided the word "values" was triggering. Or has everyone had enough therapy and we can say it now?

When an ideology is based on a lie, believers must become proficient in double-think.

Blogger CarpeOro November 19, 2015 5:40 PM  

@Nate
"So brave."

Dang it Nate, you'll put him in a tizzie of micro-aggression. Only indians can call indians "brave".

Anonymous a_peraspera November 19, 2015 5:46 PM  

Positive step forward in the US? http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/11/18/hate-speech-closes-spotsylvania-public-meeting/76027308/

Blogger Sam vfm #111 November 19, 2015 5:47 PM  

@66 There are no 'good' Muslims. All Muslims must buy into the Koran, hook and slinker. If they do that, they are our enemies, if they do not, they are not a Muslim.

Anonymous Bird on a Wing November 19, 2015 5:52 PM  

Hey Marie, I put this in the other thread, but it's dead, so I didn't know if you saw it.

There's a Rhetoric post from Vox in September that you might not have seen. It had a few different people contributing their personal experiences with a bunch of rhetorical examples in the comment thread. Lots of useful stuff for the Facebook Wars.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/09/mailvox-rhetoric-in-action.html

Blogger White Devil November 19, 2015 6:01 PM  

Cogitans Iuvenis
I don't disagree, those talks are useful. I am just focusing one one aspect. How you deal with the ultra-nationals will be different then how you deal with the islamists. I imagine that if you find yourself the target of ultra-nationals, who are in power, they will enjoy significantly more broad support than the death cultists will have.
So, first survive the nukes, then the fallout, then the marauders? Got it. Sorry to be slow on the uptake there. Political Correctness, then Islam, then the Ultra-Right backlash.

That would actually be a very interesting talk to listen to. How do you survive when you find yourself in an area where a group wants you dead and has local support and you don't have the ability to emigrate.
Start by teaching yourself not to sleep?

Blogger SciVo November 19, 2015 6:04 PM  

@ Wildbill:

It's an orgy of power. The more obvious the lie they can make you tell, the more powerful they must be. It's just a more sophisticated, larger-scale version of a junkie on a binge -- and they'll chase the tail of that tiger all the way down to Hell.

Blogger Jon M November 19, 2015 6:12 PM  

@52:

Thank you for that link to the Taylor Marshall blog. That's a great summary of the situation. "The Samaritan used a hotel," neatly demolishes that idiotic post of Scalzi from a few days back, and in just 5 little words. I've downloaded a couple of that guy's podcasts for listening...it's just the sort of thing for which I've been looking.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 6:22 PM  

" 'Europe belongs to us' says the Yank immigrant."

I am a native of Manhattan by birth, but this is the symbol of my forefathers:

http://www.discountcutlery.net/assets/images/ProductImages/PC2120N.jpg

There's a country named after it.

And this is the symbol of one of my grandfathers:
http://www.hoppersgiftware.co.uk/ekmps/shops/southernswords/images/paladin-warhammer-3553-p.jpg

Do I have politically correct permission to speak of Europe?


Blogger Marie November 19, 2015 6:25 PM  

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Blogger SciVo November 19, 2015 6:27 PM  

@ bw: They either believe you can't stop them and their agenda, or someone is trying to get a reaction out of the Socialist Egal Whites.

The former. Machiavellianism is more associated with people trying to punch above their weight class. If someone who could engineer global mass migrations really wanted to do X instead, then he would just do X. The population replacement is the goal. Don't overthink it.

Blogger VD November 19, 2015 6:30 PM  

'Europe belongs to us' says the Yank immigrant.

Native American. Not Yank.

Blogger Marie November 19, 2015 6:31 PM  

@77 Bird on a Wing

Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 6:34 PM  

"The population replacement is the goal."

A world of brown people and beige culture, with every human a fungible unit.

Except for them, of course.

Anonymous Yid Kid November 19, 2015 6:37 PM  

@31 and "beefsteak Nazis" - Read up on The Night of the Long Knives some time.

As for the stuff about Jewish conspiracies, it's kind of like thinking the Chinese will take over the world. Go work for a Chinese company if that's the case, within 3 months you'll sleep very peacefully (inside experience). Hell, the people you're thinking about won't even be able to control *Judaism* within 30 years, never mind the world.

It isn't a conspiracy. It's f--ing "Boids," as Vox has outright described when he talks about the r-selected rabbits and their warren-centric minds. Boids all the way down to a Gramscian/ Yankee kernel, which has been waging 4th Generation War while its opponents have merely played politics. Until recently.

I does occur to me, in the hours of darkness, that one way to tip the 4GW odds away from a local overlord government is to create circumstances where its forces effectively become an occupying foreign nation. With all of the cultural and infrastructure minuses that implies for government forces. And if war it is, that sense of nation pretty much has to exclude or outright remove the apparatus of The Party in its areas. Otherwise, the intelligence and other benefits granted by The Party apparat keep the scales tipped firmly toward the overlord government. Then, and only then, can approaches like Michael Collins' (Ireland 1915-1921) work.

Which means there's a pretty hard floor for feasible moderation if 4GW is called as the game, once it's widely believed that the local government will commit its security forces to the action.

I don't know. I'm still thinking about the book. But this dark conclusion does seem to follow.

Blogger ncartist November 19, 2015 6:59 PM  

@ 81. kfg

IIRC, that was the main weapon of the Frankish tribes. One of its uses was to throw it so it would bounce up into the enemy body. The weapon was, iirc, the Frances.

The things one learns just by pausing on the History Channel for five minutes.

Someone posted on another thread a link to a picture of the modern foreign legion: I noticed that the soldiers carried this weapon hammer side out.

Blogger Hunsdon November 19, 2015 7:07 PM  

@88. The francisca, I believe.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 19, 2015 7:10 PM  

The worst part about this is that if the ultra-nationalists take power, and if things do get more bloody,

Even I left a die verse city, enough moslem attacks big enough to make lamestream news and even NYC liberals will want the border closed

They were leftists who changed sides, once the NSDAP came to power.How many young lefties today are sick of melanin worship?

Once the parade is big enough everyone wants to be in the front of it. I have been pushing the QUEENS TRUMP SPADES meme.

role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive

The 200+ places that kicked jews out survived a lot better than the one place that kept them from leaving.

> They aren't going to stop once they are in power and I imagine things will get bloody.

Lots of blood not reported can be seen on the site WHITE GIRL BLEED A LOT, hundreds of videos that if race reversed would be covered by lame stream media for months each.

Explain to me Jourdan how the above doesn't not fit National Socialism or Communism to a fucking T.

The only jews the NS had was the ones willing to sell out other jews, How to invest like George Soros

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 7:14 PM  

" . . . that was the main weapon of the Frankish tribes."

That's correct. My family knew something about multi-generational conquest of France. Some of us haven't entirely forgotten and know it when we see it.

The other, obviously, is The Hammer. Remember Tours!

Anonymous Bohm November 19, 2015 7:16 PM  

Native American. Not Yank.

Whatever, immigrant.

Do I have politically correct permission to speak of Europe?

What's with the axes and fancy hammers, dude? Fantasy cosplay? That's not permission to do anything.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 7:18 PM  

And Hunsdon has the name.

Anonymous kfg November 19, 2015 7:26 PM  

"What's with the axes and fancy hammers, dude?"

They are simple tools. Their traditional use is to build permission.

Anonymous bw November 19, 2015 7:29 PM  

Once the parade is big enough everyone wants to be in the front of it.....The 200+ places that kicked jews out survived a lot better than the one place that kept them from leaving BGS

+2

The first comment is very important as it relates to SJW, psych-broken whites in the US.
Like a tumbleweed, any wind will blow them. They were traumatized and shocked into it, they can and will be shocked and traumatized out of it - in the Right direction. They'll become the murderous killers (the woman scorned) and we'll have to hold them back. Quiet children, the Adults are talking.











Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 19, 2015 7:30 PM  

All of you are missing the Big Picture. These things are pieces of a puzzle. The black intifada of BLM, The Muslim Invasion, Mexican overlords for California, its all falling apart. These are not well thought out plans, these are idiots in over their heads and doubling down because they're about to lose everything.
They couldn't get enough White people to buy their shill swill of marx or friedman. Both Capitalism and Communism reduces the World to Economics. The politics are just a shell game to hide the looting of the workers.
The Ultra-nationalists like me are about to take over. Its about time someone with big boy pants, a spine and math skills took over. This system is shit stupid full of crap built on muddy swamps of lies. Anything is better than this. "Race is a social construct?" These fuckers jumped the shark already.

Blogger The Other Robot November 19, 2015 7:39 PM  

There are no 'good' Muslims. All Muslims must buy into the Koran, hook and slinker. If they do that, they are our enemies, if they do not, they are not a Muslim.

The only good mooselimb is ...

Of course, that might be a microaggression against Native Americans.

Anonymous bw November 19, 2015 7:39 PM  

But the left are now the biggest culprit of "sweep it under the rug" syndrome

aka..the "sin of omission" SINdrome. Lies to themselves and thus Lies projected forth.

And this magic "refugee bill" actually changes . . . NOTHING. It merely requires an extra fig leaf... @Sheila4g

Preach it, Sis...there are some that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.



Blogger Danby November 19, 2015 7:40 PM  

I've seen them called Francisca, Francesca, Francesa, all of which mean Frankish.
The axe was named for the Franks, not the other way round.
The Saxons, on the other hand, were named for their weapon, the seax. A seax is similar to a gladius, but with a more leaf-shaped outline and a hand-and-a-half hilt, for stabbing through armor. Not so impressive as the enormous broadswords of the Celts, and Teurtons but in close infantry combat, far more deadly.

Anonymous bw November 19, 2015 7:41 PM  

hook and slinker

I use hook and slinker all the time while fishing...!

Blogger Were-Puppy November 19, 2015 7:51 PM  

"First, I would like to note, as an American Indian, that I feel very microaggressed by the headline. Warpath? Seriously? Wow just wow!"

Exact same thing I thought when I read that. I don't claim to be a Native American though.

Also, as soon as I read any article and it starts throwing around those old chestnuts like "far-right" or "hard-right" I usually move on and ignore. Why is it these morons can't simply say "right"?

And looking at that video still in the linked article, all I could notice were the sanctimonious self-righteous looks of stupidity on all those dumbasses as they clap for Boinie hugging a muslim. She missed a prime opportunity to blow the vest against a western figure of authority right there.

Anonymous D Meister November 19, 2015 7:51 PM  

Looks to me like exponential growth with a doubling time of approximately two years.

Anonymous Bohm November 19, 2015 7:58 PM  

Their traditional use is to build permission.

For the next level in World of Warcraft?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 19, 2015 8:00 PM  

@23 White Knight Leo #0368
So even granted the premise that actual innocent people should be granted shelter here, we have no way to know how many of them are innocent, nor what they will be doing after the end of their 1st season here; which itself assumes any significant level of scrutiny during that season.

And even the adjective 'innocent' is undefined here, because 51% of the Muslims we've already got support replacing the Constitution with sharia, and we can hardly imagine that these refugees, 97% of whom are Muslim, won't hook up with existing Muslim groups and then become a problem for us. Which itself assumes that none of them are actually ISIS operatives.
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Which is why I advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater in this case.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 19, 2015 8:13 PM  

@57 kfg
" . . . "beefsteak" Nazis . . ."

Now we have "watermelons," green on the outside.
----

Have you heard of "apples"?
red on the outside, white on the inside.

Anonymous A Visitor November 19, 2015 8:16 PM  

You have to love at the beginning of the article how they're "far right" due to opposition to immigration.

"The Sweden Democrats are part of a group of European political figures and parties that don't all want to be associated with each other, but all share at least two common tenets: opposition to immigration and scepticism about the European Union. Some even advocate leaving the single currency."

Oh, the horror of national sovereignty!!!!!!! I recall when I used to communicate with a Sardinia based blogger (we eventually met up twice while I was in Spain) and I asked her her thoughts on Italy adopting the euro (I'd be interested to know Vox if you've seen anything similar). She said Italians missed the lira and how Italy's economy was stronger with the lira.

I think the reason the MSM still hasn't caught up is (to an extent) they just can't understand how pissed off people truly are. It's like ¡Jeb! and the others: they still think it's '01 just post 9/11 when in reality a tectonic shift has occurred in American politics, as well as European politics. Those who criticize Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" article do not understand two things: 1) It is going to happen (it currently is happening) and 2) he was very prescient (that was penned in 1991). Compare it to Fukuyama's "End of History." While I would prefer the latter, the frank truth is the world is the former.

@4 Thank you! It's gotten to the point that when family even hear on TV that Islam isn't the problem that they'll scream, "Bullshit!"

@10 I have. Talk about dystopian!

@14 "Being called "un-American" by Obama for not wanting Syrian refugees takes me back to the tea party days when supporting the Constitution got you labeled as a 'terrorist." I remember those days well. I was in undergrad. As for being called "un-American" by Dear Leader, I wear that as a badge of honor.

Also, want to give a shout out to our governor, Mike Pence. He hasn't done everything right but forcing that refugee family to go elsewhere in the U.S. (and pissing off The Indianapolis Star enough to make it the main article on the front page) just notched him up by one in my book.

@15 That we are. It is the one mistake that has been repeated throughout history: arguably most recently by Hitler when he invaded the USSR.

@52 Here's another perspective. Here is what some Popes thought about Islam.

"The black intifada of BLM," will not exist in three years time. Like the Coffee Party. Anybody remember them?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 19, 2015 8:21 PM  

@75 a_peraspera
Positive step forward in the US? http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/virginia/2015/11/18/hate-speech-closes-spotsylvania-public-meeting/76027308/
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That was mighty white of him to go to that meeting. It's funny how the report was whining about the guy attacking a muslim.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 19, 2015 8:24 PM  

I'm concerned that these parties cannot boost European birth rates. Europeans don't need to breed like rabbits but they need to get above replacement. Otherwise the developing world will send their people to live in the countries formerly known as European.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 19, 2015 8:35 PM  

Get rid of feminism and womens' wrongs and families will be thermonuclear like the Duggars. We should really be angry at our unwanted alien parasites. They are what is the cause of every bad thing since the 1920s when they got off the boat. Where were the U boats then? Those torpedoes could have saved a lot of White lives. #WhiteLivesMatter cause White people are productive folks and not prone to ape like behaviors.

Anonymous kjj November 19, 2015 9:16 PM  

@44

Others are thinking much the same, and it has already started. I came across this on slashdot earlier, in the story about renewed calls to destroy encryption.

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If you want your freedom, tell your elected representatives to stop importing terrorists and the populations that they hide in.

It seems to be that we can pick not more than two from the set (Security, Freedom, Multiculturalism).. Find me another culture, anywhere on the planet, that respects freedom the way we do, or at least once did, and I'll reconsider. Until then, I'm sticking with the evidence at hand.

We have freedom, and we have multiculturalism, and people are realizing that we don't have security. We want security, so we need to choose. Do we get rid of the people that hate us? Or do we get rid of our freedom?

(And yes, I'm aware that "get rid of the people that hate us" includes a lot of people that don't hate us, but are otherwise indistinguishable. Some may be willing to trade their freedom or security for them, but I suspect that most will not.)

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales November 19, 2015 9:20 PM  

"Islam isn't the only batshit cult in need of a Reformation."

If by reformation, you mean they need to get out or die, then yes, I agree.

If, by reformation, you mean create a brand new religion with some of the trappings of Islam but without the violence so endemic and essential to it... you're living a fucking bubble as big as the idiots who advocate for that sort of thing. Ironically enough, you're probably one of those assholes that thinks all religions are invented for some other asshole's benefit, yet you yourself are such an asshole since that's exactly what you're calling for.

So, no. Islam does NOT need a 'reformation' (read: be rewritten as to not be Islam).

What Islam needs is be either expelled from or extinct in, the West. Whether people unite to wipe them completely off the earth is another, optional thing, that comes AFTER we're sure we don't have to fight them over here.

Blogger ray November 19, 2015 9:54 PM  

"First, I would like to note, as an American Indian, that I feel very microaggressed by the headline"


You were aggressed. First they stole your lands and separated your kin, then they dis-include you from your adopted home. Is there a message in there for Native Americans? Leave you to scratch a living off rocks etc.

What is the EU's written policy concerning our most disadvantaged population, the American Indian? Going forward into the millennium, where is the prioritization of their inclusion?

Christian Injuns should go warpath and re-patriate America -- establish biblical fatherhood, enforce simple laws, fill leadership roles. There must be enough of them still around?

So no casinos, instead North American Reparations beginning with our most deserving and oppressed peoples. Peoples that the SJWs and feminists STOLE FROM due to privilege. I'm sorry to have to bring that up though.

Anonymous George of the Jungle November 19, 2015 10:39 PM  

Two points need discussing...

1) Regardless of party politics and voting outcomes, the EU elites have already demonstrated they can bypass democracy whenever it suits them. If nationalist parties actually come to power, they must make sure to have the army and police on their side before they attempt to legislate policies.

2) The progs can't wait to pounce on any nationalist sentiment and brand it as fascism. Since we know they're going to do it, what would be a pithy rhetorical comeback/attack?

Blogger LP999 November 19, 2015 10:50 PM  

2015 must be the year for the young people to understand they must speak for their futures and not be silenced, shut down. If the young people want a future, there is no more time to be shut down.

Anonymous Wildbill November 19, 2015 10:53 PM  

@109

Very well put. I'll use that in future clashes of logic vs. ignorance.

This place is my safe space. So many good people here.

Blogger SciVo November 19, 2015 11:16 PM  

@ WillBest: Is that historically normal prior to events of such magnitude?

I think so. It isn't a requirement, but it would contribute to the requirement of there being some fundamental tension to be relieved, if a significant fraction of people are incapable of dealing with reality until it's on their doorstep.

Blogger IM2L844 November 19, 2015 11:18 PM  

@111

http://design.indigenousaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/no_allegiance.jpg

Blogger Bernard Brandt November 20, 2015 12:52 AM  

"First, I would like to note, as an American Indian, that I feel very microaggressed by the headline. Warpath? Seriously? Wow just wow!"

Truly, sir, you feast upon a high irony diet!

Blogger SciVo November 20, 2015 3:44 AM  

Everyone, including the migrants, had better hope that the anti-immigration hard right takes power soon, because if the nationalists don't, the ultra-nationalists will.

I've been thinking about that, and I'm pessimistic. Looking at the Hugo Awards as a microcosm, it's clear that:

1. SJWs would rather burn it all down than let anyone else have it.
2. They have control of the institutions. The long march worked.
3. They cannot tell the difference between anything to the right of Mao.

I think that they will fight to the death to avoid relinquishing power to badthinkers, even if the result is worse than if they had conceded their irrelevance peacefully.

Anonymous kfg November 20, 2015 10:05 AM  

"SJWs would rather burn it all down than let anyone else have it."

Burning it all down is their intent.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 20, 2015 12:55 PM  

@ 90

The only jews the NS had was the ones willing to sell out other jews, How to invest like George Soros

How does that have anything to do with Communism and National Social being fundamentally that same since they are collectivist ideologies?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 20, 2015 12:59 PM  

@117

I think the knives are going to come from behind and be stuck in their backs. We've already started to see this. The left is going all animal farm on itself and I don't know if the right and the normies are really going to have to "fight" them. What I wonder is if any of the institutions they have taken over will survive this infighting, if they don't then I guess it is even more reason for the non-progressives to make their own institutions.

Blogger ray November 20, 2015 1:18 PM  

115 -- lol somebody already thought of it? Gotta be Christian injuns tho. Otherwise, a new Gang of Revolutionaries just replaces the current Gang of Revolutionaries. And I'm tired of Imp-passioned Revolutionaries.

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