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Friday, November 13, 2015

GOP Establishment prefers Clinton

This Washington Post article demonstrates that there is, in truth, but one bi-factional ruling party:
Less than three months before the kickoff Iowa caucuses, there is growing anxiety bordering on panic among Republican elites about the dominance and durability of Donald Trump and Ben Carson and widespread bewilderment over how to defeat them.

Party leaders and donors fear that nominating either man would have negative ramifications for the GOP ticket up and down the ballot, virtually ensuring a Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency and increasing the odds that the Senate falls into Democratic hands....

The apprehension among some party elites goes beyond electability, according to one Republican strategist who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly about the worries.

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said. “It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?”

Angst about Trump intensified this week after he made two comments that could prove damaging in a general election. First, he explained his opposition to raising the minimum wage by saying “wages are too high.”

Second, he said he would create a federal “deportation force” to remove the more than 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally. “To have a leading candidate propose a new federal police force that is going to flush out illegal immigrants across the nation? That’s very disturbing and concerning to me about where that leads Republicans,” said Dick Wadhams, a former GOP chairman in Colorado, a swing state where Republicans are trying to pick up a Senate seat next year.
And one of the biggest concerns to the ruling party is that Trump will lead a nationalist surge against immigration. But keep this in mind when you hear them re-run the old "Most Important Election Ever" song-and-dance and use the Lizard Queen as a scare tactic. They would rather have Hilary as president than either Trump or Carson.

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Blogger chris November 13, 2015 2:28 AM  

The Democratic party, if I read Noonan correctly, has but one goal. To retain power. No loyalty to the people, nor the nation, or even the groups they claim to represent.

They are traitors. They need to be convicted of treason. I will let the good Colonel decide on an appropriate penalty.

Blogger chris November 13, 2015 2:32 AM  

The relevant quote from the WSJ article.
.This is a lot to work out. It will probably take more than one election cycle. It’s to the credit of Republicans that they are having these debates. But a party wrestling with these issues is by definition not unified.

The Democrats, for all their small struggles, are. They are disciplined. Their central organizing principle is getting and holding power.

The Republicans this year have more intellectual vitality and engagement. That they are split about ideas, stands, principles is to their credit. They are acting out what politics was meant to be. But that civic virtue is a political liability.

At this point—early, but certain trends are obvious—the Democrats have the advantage. They want one thing. The Republicans want many serious and opposing things.

Blogger chris November 13, 2015 2:32 AM  

Sorry, the link did not embed. it is http://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans-are-ready-to-rumble-1447374852. If Automatthew or Marrku can fix this, I would appreciate it.

Blogger White Devil November 13, 2015 3:18 AM  

chris
They are traitors. They need to be convicted of treason.
Does this extend to voters, party members or just those that hold office? Maybe - with gene manipulation - they could all be marked with blue hair or skin and turned into an underclass, working off the debts they created?

Blogger Rantor November 13, 2015 3:36 AM  

These people think Hillary has the experience and temperament to be president? Shrieking clueless bitch unwilling to accept responsibility for anything she has done? Dangerously clueless are these elites.

Blogger chris November 13, 2015 3:38 AM  

@4. Party activists and on up. The people in Washington.... You will have to sort that out. Where I live (NZ) political parties are no longer mass movements: I would class most of the Labour party as borderline treasonous, and the Greens as in the pay of the UN SJW groups, not the people of my nation.

Anonymous Don Apple November 13, 2015 3:40 AM  

NEW federal police force? Just get the DEA types who have suddenly a lot less to do in many states like, say, Colorado, and put them on beaner detail. After all, they are just the old Prohibition agents who were reassigned. They can be reassigned again.

Blogger White Devil November 13, 2015 3:51 AM  

... and use the Lizard Queen as a scare tactic.
Do people climb mountains by being afraid of falling down, or by wanting to reach the top? When you stop climbing and start clinging, you know what direction you're really going in.

They would rather have Hilary as president than either Trump or Carson.
http://i.imgur.com/1r7jqTq.jpg

“It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?”
If the two legs don't march in step, it becomes likely they will fall down.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 November 13, 2015 4:10 AM  

GOP or Democrat, if their only mission is self serving, Trump is an enemy. Animal Farm 'corporations' all just end up self serving plebs to the glue factory businesses.

What you said about representative democracy a week or so ago Vox. They can't allow democracy to fall into the hands of ordinary people.

But next yr. won't be business as usual. At beforeitsnews a 15 yr old who was clinically dead for 15 minutes resurrected to tell the story that Obama is Gog and it is all on very soon. Of course I wouldn't sell my house on the basis of an NDE. It just agrees with everything else I'm seeing. Would it really fit Obama's ego to allow there to be some President come after him? IMHO - he's answered that already.

Blogger White Devil November 13, 2015 4:18 AM  

chris
I would class most of the Labour party as borderline treasonous, and the Greens as in the pay of the UN SJW groups, not the people of my nation.
Foreign money spent in the recent Canadian election was laundered through at least one environmental group. India has kicked Greenpeace to the curb. (http://tinyurl.com/qfcam6u) I would have loved to see the U.N. removed from the U.S.A. in the same way. "Global citizens" or "planet lovers" have an alarming tendency to undermine democracies, economies and science.

Someone on youtube made a distinction between "Conservationists" and "Environmentalists." I don't hear that often but like it. We can send Environmentalists to a forest fire commune with and appease angry Mother Nature. Then the Conservationists can fight the forest fire if that doesn't work.

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2015 4:20 AM  

> hey would rather have Hilary as president than either Trump or Carson.

That's been the case for almost 30 years.

> NEW federal police force?

Yeah. We already have one. It's called the INS. All you have to do is get them to do their job.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 13, 2015 4:49 AM  

Jim stone called it months ago. Either the Billary "Kaddafi, we came, we saw, he DIED (cackles)"Clone or ¡Jabe"illegal immigration can be an act of love".

Blogger YIH November 13, 2015 5:59 AM  

There's another reason the GOP wouldn't mind Hillary beating Trump, Carson or any of the seven dwarfs.
Prez Lizard Queen would serve the same purpose as 0bozo does, an excuse for fecklessness.
They're afraid of what happened with the Shrub administration, GOP Prez, House and Senate, hard to claim ''that damn liberal is clogging up the works''. After that the only thing they could lean on was ''But we don't have 60 Senators, so the Senate Democrats are clogging things up''. While in reality government programs were growing faster than when Bill was prez.
For example how can the GOP claim ''Bill Clinton pressured the banks to make more bad loans to minorities!'' when not only Shrub didn't curb that, he doubled down on it!

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 13, 2015 6:05 AM  

Second, he said he would create a federal “deportation force” to remove the more than 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally. “To have a leading candidate propose a new federal police force that is going to flush out illegal immigrants across the nation? That’s very disturbing and concerning to me about where that leads Republicans,”

So creating the TSA to fondle Americans trying to get on a plane, the multi-billion-dollar Department of Homeland Security to do... whatever it does, and the PATRIOT Act so they can spy on you all was just peachy.

But enforcing your existing laws on immigration? That's very disturbing and un-cuckservative.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 13, 2015 6:05 AM  

Trump lines I'm waiting to hear:
1) "I'll name the first deportation center after Jeb Bush"
2) "I'll name the second after Rubio"

Anonymous 0007 November 13, 2015 6:10 AM  

I like the way that that number -11,000,000 - never seems to change. It's been 11,000,000 since forever or so it seems...

Blogger Salt November 13, 2015 6:13 AM  

Drop the eagle and insert a server as the emblem if Hillary gets in the WH.

Anonymous DT November 13, 2015 6:41 AM  

@16 I like the way that that number -11,000,000 - never seems to change. It's been 11,000,000 since forever or so it seems...

Kind of like the unemployment rate. If you're unemployed long enough they just sort of forget about you. Must be by choice. Maybe you retired at 25. Any way did you see the latest Wall Street numbers?

I have one message for the Republican elite: at this time Trump is the only candidate I will support. I won't vote for anyone else. Nominate an invasion supporting wimp like Jeb or Rubio and I may even actively promote and vote for the other side. Better to burn the Republican party to the ground and start something new from the ashes then to be chained to DemocrateLite: Conservative Taste but with Zero Balls.

It is astonishing how foolish and out of touch the elite of any organization can become.

Blogger DadOfTen November 13, 2015 6:41 AM  

If Trump becomes president, and immediately starts clearing out illegal immigrants, California would lose a LOT of paisanos. Then the census is done in 2020. What happens to California's share of representatives? I'm liking this.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 13, 2015 6:52 AM  

Deport them all, let Jeb sort them out.

Blogger Michael Maier November 13, 2015 7:13 AM  

If Trump gets the nomination, I might actually vote for the first time since 2004. And that was Libertarian straight ticket.

Anonymous Big Bill November 13, 2015 7:35 AM  

Israel created an immigration police force virtually from scratch over a decade ago to stop illegal infiltrators.

If it worked for the Jews to preserve their supremacy in their homeland it will work for us Americans in our homeland.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 7:49 AM  

Vox, I'm convinced you are missing one part of the picture here. I agree that the establishment Repukes do not like the Donald or Carson, but over and over I hear from those types the same message, ANYBODY but Cruz.

Cruz actually know the inner workings of government, unlike Trump or Carson. Cruz has publicly called the establishment liars and compromisers. They HATE Cruz. I saw and article yesterday which showed that compared to his poll standings, (I don't trust the polls, but we get that tossed in our face every day) Cruz has received the least amount of coverage of any candidate.

Here is one example.

Dole

Blogger Hammerli280 November 13, 2015 7:50 AM  

I can understand the concerns about Trump's electability, though I heard the same about Reagan. I will say that Trump is showing a more subtle understanding of foreign policy as a non-zero-sum game than most of his opponents.

On tho other hand, the way to beat Trump is to run a similar platform with a more plausible candidate. Cruz fits that bill, I think that's been his plan all along.

Blogger ZhukovG November 13, 2015 7:54 AM  

The Republicans are every bit as treasonous as the Democrats with an added side of Hypocrisy to their sins.

Trump saying that wages are too high seems strange and I don't know the context of his statement.

If he were to become President and succeed in deporting 11,000,000 illegals, wages for unskilled and semi-skilled labor would likely increase.

So I don't understand where his statement on wages is coming from. Perhaps someone who understands the context of his statement could enlighten me.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:00 AM  

They HATE Cruz.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N00033085&type=f


Cruz's top donors:

Contributor Total
Woodforest National Bank $85,050
Make DC Listen $61,800
Pachulski, Stang et al $54,500
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius $45,200
Goldman Sachs $43,575

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:06 AM  

Trump saying that wages are too high seems strange and I don't know the context of his statement.

If he were to become President and succeed in deporting 11,000,000 illegals, wages for unskilled and semi-skilled labor would likely increase.

So I don't understand where his statement on wages is coming from. Perhaps someone who understands the context of his statement could enlighten me.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/donald-trump-explains-wages-too-high-comment/

Context: international competitiveness.

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 8:10 AM  

First, he explained his opposition to raising the minimum wage by saying “wages are too high.”

Well, you certainly don't protect against inflation by jacking up minimum wage, that's for sure.

I really wish there was a good reason why people think constant inflation is a good thing.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2015 8:10 AM  

I like the way that that number -11,000,000 - never seems to change. It's been 11,000,000 since forever or so it seems...

It's the new 6,000,000.

Once you have decided on the number you have to repeat it over and over again and don't change it, even if it doesn't make sense.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 13, 2015 8:14 AM  

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,”

Uncle Leviathan is a parasite, grown so large that it is unequivocally killing the host society on which it's fastened. "Fitness" for political office is no more or less than "Will this figurehead rock the Deep State's boat?"

Delusion is everywhere. These political hacks still think they create our reality. I'm certain that the sycophants clustered around every ruling paradigm in history believed their own PR, too, just before the winds shifted and they were largely marched to the nearest ditch and buried in it.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 8:16 AM  

So I don't understand where his statement on wages is coming from.

Probably from his ass, like many of the things he says. And I don't mean that as an insult. I just mean that you're going to be puzzled a lot if you try to read him like a normal candidate whose talking points are all thoroughly vetted by a team of handlers based on focus groups and polls. A lot of times Trump just says stuff, whatever pops into his head. If something he says in response to a question seems contradictory or nonsensical, that may be because it is.

Does that mean he'd be a good president? Maybe not. Makes him a heck of a candidate, though.

Blogger CM November 13, 2015 8:17 AM  

Context: international competitiveness.

With the impending implosion of american universities, it may actually be possible to compete globally.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 8:18 AM  

Cruz's top donors:

Yeah, the "the Establishment hates Cruz" meme is bizarre. Conservatives will believe anything, I guess.

Blogger VD November 13, 2015 8:18 AM  

Vox, I'm convinced you are missing one part of the picture here. I agree that the establishment Repukes do not like the Donald or Carson, but over and over I hear from those types the same message, ANYBODY but Cruz.

I'm not missing anything. You are missing the fact that they don't consider Donald Trump or Ben Carson to be real candidates. If they really meant ANYBODY but Cruz, they'd be throwing their support to Trump or Carson. They're not.

So, ask yourself why that might be....

Blogger Salt November 13, 2015 8:18 AM  

Context: international competitiveness.

Trump is a corporate globalist, seeing America as a business. Trump should take a lesson from Rand Paul.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:19 AM  

Yeah, the "the Establishment hates Cruz" meme is bizarre. Conservatives will believe anything, I guess.

It makes sense for the establishment to push Cruz as the anti establishment guy.

Blogger VD November 13, 2015 8:21 AM  

Yeah, the "the Establishment hates Cruz" meme is bizarre. Conservatives will believe anything, I guess.

That's how WND sells most of its products. "X HATES this." "Y DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW that." Conservatives won't believe anything, but they are inclined to fall for that particular sales line, just like women tend to fall for "X will increase your confidence" and "Y is the secret of this person you want to imitate".

Blogger dc.sunsets November 13, 2015 8:26 AM  

I find it fascinating that there's even a grain of sand (Trump) in the gears of Uncle Leviathan's protection racket, so close as we remain to all time highs in the Dow.

This can be no more than the first violin being uncased, before the orchestra tunes, much less before the lights are dimmed, much less before the overture starts.

Wait until the Dow breaks down hard. Wait until it breaks below the 2009 bottom. What we face is surely the kind of epochal political hurricane that has in prior times swept sclerotic political parties into the dustbin of history.

Prior iterations of this in US history yielded compounded growth for Uncle Leviathan, from an annoying seed to an existential threat. This time it seems likely that the food chain will finally break---too much appetite to feed, too few bodies laboring to feed it.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 8:28 AM  

somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job

It's good that they're having to burn some of their standard arguments early. Normally they'd use this one about New Hampshire primary time, to knock off Jeb's most conservative opponent. The frame is always, "Hey, he's got great conservative principles, but he just doesn't have the right temperament; his passion will drive away the moderates. Isn't it time to come back to the candidate who can appeal to everyone? He's just as conservative, we promise; he just doesn't flaunt it because he's smart. And look at this bankroll!"

Eh, who am I kidding. Memories aren't that long; they'll use it against Trump now and then again for the designated conservative next year. Oh well.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:30 AM  

That's how WND sells most of its products. "X HATES this." "Y DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW that." Conservatives won't believe anything, but they are inclined to fall for that particular sales line

Here's a pretty good story by Dave Weigel about this.

Blogger paradox November 13, 2015 8:30 AM  

@23 farmer Tom

Nah... ineligible Canadian Cruz is their boy... 500% increase H1b Visas and his wife is Goldman / Sachs alumni, with Council Foreign Relations membership. Cruz hasn't met a neoconservative interventionist war, he didn't like. He's the crypto-establishment canidate. If it looks like Cruz will win the Republican nomination, the open border Cuck brothers, will step off the sidelines and fund Cruz, stat.

Blogger dh November 13, 2015 8:33 AM  

That's how WND sells most of its products. "X HATES this." "Y DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW that." Conservatives won't believe anything, but they are inclined to fall for that particular sales line, just like women tend to fall for "X will increase your confidence" and "Y is the secret of this person you want to imitate".

This is the basis of Right-Wing Welfare. We all know the brand. It's books sold to book clubs, internet personalities like Me-So. People buy into the brand, and the brand is railing against the liberal elite.

This is fine so far as it goes, but it's not a way to run the country. You can't have only grifters in power. Ben Carson, for example, has been on a book tour. This is not a man who is planning to win. This is a man selling books to improve his retirement. Next step is a low-rated show on a cable news network, followed-by speaking gigs at $5k/pop to local GOP clubs.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:36 AM  

Next step is a low-rated show on a cable news network, followed-by speaking gigs at $5k/pop to local GOP clubs.

Dude he makes way more than that to give speeches right now.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 8:36 AM  

Conservatives won't believe anything, but they are inclined to fall for that particular sales line

Good point. I wonder if it's too much to hope for that conservatives could ever realize there aren't any anti-establishment conservatives running, and haven't been at least since Buchanan. Or maybe when you realize that is the moment you stop being "conservative" in the American political sense.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 8:40 AM  

Good point. I wonder if it's too much to hope for that conservatives could ever realize there aren't any anti-establishment conservatives running, and haven't been at least since Buchanan.

Given the way the vast majority responded to Ron Paul, probably not.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 8:43 AM  

So one party wants to burn the country, and the other wants to sell it. I guess as long as being sold seems preferable to being burned, you keep supporting the latter.

Anonymous kfg November 13, 2015 8:50 AM  

"Someone on youtube made a distinction between "Conservationists" and "Environmentalists." "

I might have made the same distinction here a few times.

When you hear someone accusing someone else of only caring for the environment and animals so he can kill them, you have found yourself a conservationist, and an environmentalist.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 8:59 AM  

I've heard exactly what you guys are dissing, here in Iowa. The establishment types are telling me that they would support Trump before they would support Cruz. They can "work" with Trump, Cruz is just an a-hole who won't wrk with leadership.

Blogger Alexander November 13, 2015 9:03 AM  

You have to treat the GOP like they're women and that everything they say contains base assumptions that flip the spoken script.

I want a man [I'm already attracted to] to treat me with respect!

I want a candidate [who's not anti-establishment] who is not Cruz!

Where have all the good men gone!

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2015 9:05 AM  

> Trump saying that wages are too high seems strange and I don't know the context of his statement.

If you're talking the circles Trump moves in, he's absolutely correct: http://www.aflcio.org/Corporate-Watch/Paywatch-2014/100-Highest-Paid-CEOs

> I really wish there was a good reason why people think constant inflation is a good thing.

They've been taught that their entire lives, because Keynesian theory says it is. Yeah, the experts actually know better, as they've had real world examples that it's not (see stagflation), but most people don't.

Anonymous Gecko November 13, 2015 9:06 AM  

I don't know. I've thought for a while that Carson was the establishment's "plan B" to stop trump. He's not their first pick, but he's just enough to take some of the votes away from the real threat. Many of my more "conservative" friends/family are absolutely gushing over him.

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 9:27 AM  

@farmer Tom
I've heard exactly what you guys are dissing, here in Iowa. The establishment types are telling me that they would support Trump before they would support Cruz. They can "work" with Trump, Cruz is just an a-hole who won't wrk with leadership.

I'm doubtful you're talking with the actual leadership and are instead talking with people who simply align themselves with the establishment who are, at best, middle managers.

People in control of billions of money don't often chat with farmers about who they're *really* scared of.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 9:30 AM  

I've been to 4 events in Iowa this year where many or most of the candidates spoke. (Rand skipped three of them for whatever reason).

I know the party hacks the grass roots organizers and the malcontents like myself. I can tell you who is doing well and who is not. The Iowa establishment is backing Christy Creme. They applauded vigorously yesterday when Trump let fly that Christy Creme would make a good VP.

The establishment would take that in a heartbeat, because they would still have control of the system.

Conservatives hated Trump saying that and at least 2 of my FB friends vowed not to vote for Trump if Christy Creme were VP.

The establishment believes they could work with Trump, after all he's a deal maker and he never fails to mention that 40 or 50 times in a speech. And they have to do is find the right thing to negotiate on, like giving him all the money he wants to expand the military if he just backs down some on amnesty.

(I've specifically seen that one floated)

Trump at his core is a big government progressive who likes the heavy hand of government to help make his "business" deals. Go find his comments on "eminent domain" He loved Kelo.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:38 AM  

Well, it's obvious that they are desperately trying to target Trump and Carson.

From this, it appears Cucks are very similar to SJWs as they desperately try and find a violation of their Narrative. Unlike the SJWs, the Republican base is not a hive mind and they can't create a swarm. They can swarm with their media buddies, their traitors, and their Democratic co-conspirators, but regular people give a rats ass about them. So no swarm for them.

I'm really liking Trump more and more, solely on the enemies that are gathering against him.

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 9:40 AM  

@Were-Puppy
I'm really liking Trump more and more, solely on the enemies that are gathering against him.

That was what initially caught my eye, as well. The policy plans his campaign produced on 2nd Amendment and Immigration just made it all the sweeter.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:41 AM  

@5 Rantor
These people think Hillary has the experience and temperament to be president? Shrieking clueless bitch unwilling to accept responsibility for anything she has done? Dangerously clueless are these elites.
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They've got the whole "fiddling while Rome burns" thing down, don't they?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:45 AM  

@9 PhillipGeorge©2015
GOP or Democrat, if their only mission is self serving, Trump is an enemy. Animal Farm 'corporations' all just end up self serving plebs to the glue factory businesses.

What you said about representative democracy a week or so ago Vox. They can't allow democracy to fall into the hands of ordinary people.

But next yr. won't be business as usual. At beforeitsnews a 15 yr old who was clinically dead for 15 minutes resurrected to tell the story that Obama is Gog and it is all on very soon. Of course I wouldn't sell my house on the basis of an NDE. It just agrees with everything else I'm seeing. Would it really fit Obama's ego to allow there to be some President come after him? IMHO - he's answered that already.
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Please tell me the resurrected kid is a Jew preaching about White Solidarity.

Anonymous Alsos November 13, 2015 9:46 AM  

Ah, yes. Dick Wadhams. As I recall, he presided over the utter collapse of the GOP in Colorado during his tenure as party chairman, in large measure by pushing useless establishment candidates.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:49 AM  

@10 White Devil
Someone on youtube made a distinction between "Conservationists" and "Environmentalists." I don't hear that often but like it.

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Yeah, conservationists were people who care about outdoors and animals, etc, before the old Communists invaded and took it over. Hence the term "watermelons".
Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:55 AM  

@15 Stilicho #0066
Trump lines I'm waiting to hear:
1) "I'll name the first deportation center after Jeb Bush"
2) "I'll name the second after Rubio"
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+50

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 9:56 AM  

@17 Salt
Drop the eagle and insert a server as the emblem if Hillary gets in the WH.
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The Hitlery Clinton themed clue game:

Vince Foster was killed in the Server Room with a missing Rose Lawfirm File.

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2015 10:00 AM  

> I've thought for a while that Carson was the establishment's "plan B" to stop trump.

An plan easily subverted by offering Carson the VP slot. Of the other candidates, Trump has three obvious choices for VP: Carson, Fiorina, and Cruz. Cruz would appeal to the tea party base, Carson to the moderates, and Fiorina to women (she's the one he'd probably be most comfortable working with, given their backgrounds in business). Or he could go out and pick someone out of left field.

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2015 10:02 AM  

> The Hitlery Clinton themed clue game:

Damn. That's a brilliant idea. I'm amazed no one has done it.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 10:03 AM  

@23 farmer Tom

Dole

Bob Dole stage diving to patriotic music

You know you love it!

Blogger Dexter November 13, 2015 10:03 AM  

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said.

Oddly enough, that's how I'd describe Jeb.

But for these establishment cucks, Jeb has the ideal ability and temperament, yaay!

Blogger Dexter November 13, 2015 10:05 AM  

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said.

And you might ask, if the theoretically democratic nominating process leads to this result... have not the people (or at least, the Republican voters) spoken?

Oh wait, who cares what they say, the nomination is too important to be left up to the Republican voters.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 10:05 AM  

@25 ZhukovG
Trump saying that wages are too high seems strange and I don't know the context of his statement.
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I heard some of this earlier in the week in reference to those who want to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 10:07 AM  

Student in Blue,

TThat's an interesting comment. So based on my profession, you know who I've talked to, and what they said, really. Do I need to tell you that I am a prayer partner and advisor to a current State Senator, who is also hated by the establishment, and the establishment types have lobbied him hard to support anyone but Cruz. Or that I am personal friend with another State Representative who was told if he supported Cruz there may be repurcutions in committee appointments and other things?

See you may be new here, but just because my tag is farmer Tom, it does not make me some ignorant knuckle dragging slug.

I farm for a living, politics is my passion. I know most of the players in Iowa on a first name basis.

I'm personal friends with the Iowa campaign managers for Trump and Cruz. I know Carson's Iowa guy, Huckebee's guy, hate the a-hole who was Perry's guy. Met several times Rubio ' s guy, once in his Senate office.

I know these people and the insides of the system.

I can tell you right now that Trump will not win Iowa, he will get second or third.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2015 10:21 AM  

Farmer Tom:

I can tell you right now that Trump will not win Iowa, he will get second or third.

You can make some money there, you know.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 10:22 AM  

@62 James Dixon
Or he could go out and pick someone out of left field.
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Someone like Pat Buchanan?

Blogger rcocean November 13, 2015 10:22 AM  

The fact is that any candidate that even vaguely smells like a populist drives the establishment crazy. Notice how many GOPe types like Kristol and Goldberg went crazy when Trump started to climb in the polls? They hate any kind of Nationalism, despite being "Conservative"

Blogger rcocean November 13, 2015 10:25 AM  

They certainly don't like Carson, but I don't think they seem him as a threat - just the opposite. He peals off support from Trump, and they think he'll fade once everyone starts voting. I find the support for Carson unfathomable. He's a nice man, but low energy and he disappears during the debates. Is that the kind of man you want to be President?

Blogger rcocean November 13, 2015 10:28 AM  

The GOP establishment made the decision in the 1990s that they'd rather lose elections than upset their Billionaire donors. Dole, McCain, Romney all decided to lose rather then "win for the wrong reasons".

Blogger automatthew November 13, 2015 10:28 AM  

> The Hitlery Clinton themed clue game:

Damn. That's a brilliant idea. I'm amazed no one has done it.


Someone did, and she murdered them.

In R. Emmett Tyrell's solarium. With WFB's portable typewriter.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 10:43 AM  

I could predict with at least 75 percent certainty that the results of the Iowa caucus based on things as they stand today will be 1. Carson
2. Trump
3.Cruz
4. Probably Rand because the RP people will hang to the end.

Hucksterbee
Santorum
Jebe
Jindal
and Chrispy Creme will follow in some order.

But after Trump's crazy show in Ft Dodge the other day, he may drop further. He's toast. He can not make it until Feb. 2nd without completely melting down.

He Ross Perot all over again. Crazy with lots of money.

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 10:47 AM  

@farmer Tom
TThat's an interesting comment. So based on my profession, you know who I've talked to, and what they said, really

Of course not. I don't know you from Adam. If I don't know you, I'm going to assume you're just like everyone else, so quit getting so offended over nothing.

I'm personal friends with the Iowa campaign managers for Trump and Cruz. I know Carson's Iowa guy, Huckebee's guy, hate the a-hole who was Perry's guy. Met several times Rubio ' s guy, once in his Senate office.

>Campaign managers.

So, middle management at best, like I said.

Blogger rcocean November 13, 2015 10:50 AM  

I predict Trump is going to drop out. He'll realize the Republican base is stupid and would rather split their vote with the Magic Negro then do elect him. Result: The nomination of Jeb or rubio and then a loss to Hillary. And everyone's happy.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 10:54 AM  

But after Trump's crazy show in Ft Dodge the other day, he may drop further. He's toast. He can not make it until Feb. 2nd without completely melting down.

You're just saying that because you're one of those "dumb Iowa voters" he was talking about!

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 10:55 AM  

I could predict with at least 75 percent certainty that the results of the Iowa caucus based on things as they stand today will be 1. Carson
2. Trump
3.Cruz
4. Probably Rand because the RP people will hang to the end.


On a serious note, what would it take for Rand to move into the top two?

Blogger Maple Curtain November 13, 2015 11:02 AM  

"We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job."

Oh, dear.

Imagine if someone like Obama, who "lacks the basic ability and temperament to do the job" were to become president.

Here's the thing, Mr. Repub Establishment genius: How about the people decide who has the necessary qualifications?

Ya, I know, if would never work.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 13, 2015 11:05 AM  

@71: they're pretty happy with one particular kind of nationalism.

Blogger The Deuce November 13, 2015 11:08 AM  

If Trump or Carson DOES become President, they would be wise to make it a first order of business to drive as many GOP establishment hacks out of the party as possible, as fast as possible, by any means possible. The establishment WILL backstab and sabotage any Republican President who isn't on their terms, unless they are dealt with first.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 13, 2015 11:11 AM  

Some commentators on here seem to believe that Trump, if he is elected, can back down on immigration and do business with the establishment.

Problem is that immigration is not an issue of xenophobia but of real-world consequences.

If Trump were elected, and then he did back down on immigration, that would just make the next civil war inevitable, and sooner.

The American people would then know, loudly and clearly with no more room for self-delusion, that they have no say over their own country as it is being given away to invaders.

Cue the guns.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 11:12 AM  

The establishment WILL backstab and sabotage any Republican President who isn't on their terms, unless they are dealt with first.

Probably the best thing for conservative politics would be for Trump to win a majority of primaries and have the nomination stolen at the convention.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 13, 2015 11:14 AM  

Further to my last point, @83: that is why Americans who are hopeful that Trump will deal with immigration can vote for him whether or not they believe that he will act on his words - it is a way of flushing out treachery and having it out in the open where it can no longer be denied by any sentient being.

Blogger automatthew November 13, 2015 11:20 AM  

Probably the best thing for conservative politics would be for Trump to win a majority of primaries and have the nomination stolen at the convention.


+1

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2015 11:29 AM  

Dear MSM and GOPe, FOAD!

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 11:34 AM  

Probably the best thing for conservative politics would be for Trump to win a majority of primaries and have the nomination stolen at the convention.

+2

It'd bring the whole rotten establishment down, which is necessary at this point.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 11:41 AM  

Won't ever happen. Two reasons.

1st Rand cut his own throat with his endorsement of The Turtle. The grassroots HATE McConusall, HATE him. And Rand made himself establishment with that one STUPID move.

2nd Most Republicans never liked or agreed with much of what Ron Paul had to say. They are wrong, but that's the way it is. And they think of Rand as a compromised establishment version of Ron.

BTW I left out Rubio, he will finish ahead of Rand.

Blogger FP November 13, 2015 11:49 AM  

"You know you love it!"

Dole must have forgotten to take his viagra and chase it with a pepsi that day.

Blogger FP November 13, 2015 11:53 AM  

"He Ross Perot all over again. Crazy with lots of money."

You say that as if it is a bad thing. The whole "giant sucking sound Larry" bit has come true.

Any crazier than taking a fat Jersey fascist seriously or Act of Love Yeb?

OpenID Jack Amok November 13, 2015 11:53 AM  

I farm for a living, politics is my passion. I know most of the players in Iowa on a first name basis.

I'm personal friends with the Iowa campaign managers for Trump and Cruz. I know Carson's Iowa guy, Huckebee's guy, hate the a-hole who was Perry's guy. Met several times Rubio ' s guy, once in his Senate office.

I know these people and the insides of the system.


How odd that someone with so many connections to the GOP establishment would be attempting to undermine Trump's appeal to anti-establishment conservatives. Almost as if you didn't want him to win and upset the establishment apple cart. I'm sure a simple farmer would never think of underhanded tactics like that.

I'm sure no long-time regular around here would think the ilk would fall for it either.

Blogger RobertT November 13, 2015 11:55 AM  

Hilary is a one name celebrity, and she gets tons of press. She'll be dangerous even under indictment. Let them run a two-name-celebrity against our one name celebrity and see who wins.

On another topic, the dumb R;s are thinking about drafting another one-name-celebrity.who's been a loser ever since he left his employer. The big deal here is this is an indication they've given up on the idea that anyone in the entire field can beat Trump.

Blogger RobertT November 13, 2015 11:55 AM  

Hilary is a one name celebrity, and she gets tons of press. She'll be dangerous even under indictment. Let them run a two-name-celebrity against our one name celebrity and see who wins.

On another topic, the dumb R;s are thinking about drafting another one-name-celebrity.who's been a loser ever since he left his employer. The big deal here is this is an indication they've given up on the idea that anyone in the entire field can beat Trump.

Blogger The Other Robot November 13, 2015 12:03 PM  

Probably the best thing for conservative politics would be for Trump to win a majority of primaries and have the nomination stolen at the convention.

I think they know that. They can't afford for to have him winning a serious number of primaries.

I think they will go the lone crazy approach.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 12:06 PM  

I could predict with at least 75 percent certainty that the results of the Iowa caucus based on things as they stand today will be 1. Carson

I lived in Iowa (Ames, Slater, Des Moines) for several years, though I was never involved in politics there. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Iowans vote for Carson, but I will have a good laugh about it.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 12:09 PM  

Whatever you say Jack.

Ask Josh, Nate or any of the other Ilk, about my bona fidies.

Trump is still a clown, even if he's right on immigration, and Vox is letting that one thing cloud his vision.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 12:11 PM  

How odd that someone with so many connections to the GOP establishment would be attempting to undermine Trump's appeal to anti-establishment conservatives. Almost as if you didn't want him to win and upset the establishment apple cart. I'm sure a simple farmer would never think of underhanded tactics like that.

I'm sure no long-time regular around here would think the ilk would fall for it either.


farmer Tom is OG Dread Ilk.

He's not playing dirty tricks for the GOP establishment.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 12:12 PM  

Any crazier than taking a fat Jersey fascist seriously or Act of Love Yeb?

Trump just said he wanted Christie to be his running mate.

OpenID Jack Amok November 13, 2015 12:16 PM  

He's not playing dirty tricks for the GOP establishment.

I'm skeptical.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 12:17 PM  

I'm skeptical.

I can vouch for Tom. So can Nate and Vox. And Spacebunny.

Blogger James Dixon November 13, 2015 12:21 PM  

> I can vouch for Tom.

Yeah, Farmer Tom is a long time Ilk.

Blogger Lana J November 13, 2015 12:27 PM  

The Hitlery Clinton themed clue game:

Damn. That's a brilliant idea. I'm amazed no one has done it.



Someone did, and she murdered them.

In R. Emmett Tyrell's solarium. With WFB's portable typewriter.


Slick. I had forgotten all about that.

OpenID Jack Amok November 13, 2015 12:30 PM  

Yeah, Farmer Tom is a long time Ilk.

I know that. But examining his comments...

...well, let's just say, if he is shilling for the establishment, it wouldn't be the first time someone who got into politics as an anti-establishment type woke up one day years later to find himself...perhaps without even realizing it...shilling for the establishment.

I spent some time inside the WA state GOP myself. I assume Iowa has some similarities. Hard to be in it without being of it. Maybe Tom has managed that, but it is odd he has more negatives to say about Trump than Jeb. Maybe if Tom could go on a good rant against Jeb...

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 12:39 PM  

Maybe Tom has managed that, but it is odd he has more negatives to say about Trump than Jeb. Maybe if Tom could go on a good rant against Jeb...

Nate and myself say more negative things about Trump than Jeb. I can't speak for Nate, but for myself it's obvious that Jeb is a known quantity, and thus there's no need. Whereas Trump is essentially a politically incorrect Mitt Romney.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 12:39 PM  

And also if we had any Yeb! supporters here Tom would probably mix it up with them.

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 12:43 PM  

@Jack Amok

Maybe something of a case of not seeing the forest for the trees?

I think he's probably on the money with that prediction though. Just not seeing the "they're scared of Cruz! He's completely different!" angle.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 12:44 PM  

I consider Jebe Shrub to be a non-entity in this race. He is literally unmentioned in Iowa unless it is "anybody but Jebe".

The ONLY people that even mention him are the geezer lobby, who talk about him daddy being a good president (BULL SHITE) and his brother doing a decent job, (double BULL SHITE).

I don't mention Jebe, because I don't talk about the tooth fairy or unicorns either.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 1:23 PM  

Those of you including Vox, who are Trump fans, can you watch the entire 9 minutes of this video, which is part of a 90 minute speech, and tell us this clown is presidential?

Trump on Carson

Blogger RobertT November 13, 2015 1:24 PM  

88

It it would, it'd be worth it. But it won't. It would just give the Dems, probably Hilary, another 4 yrs. Thanks anyway. I've had enough of that. If you'r going to bring down the establishment, you'll have to start with the infrastructure. The people are just plug & play, which is why the establishment hatse Trump & Carson so much, and to a lesser extent, Cruz.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 1:34 PM  

@74 automatthew
> The Hitlery Clinton themed clue game:

Damn. That's a brilliant idea. I'm amazed no one has done it.


Someone did, and she murdered them.

In R. Emmett Tyrell's solarium. With WFB's portable typewriter.
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ah, is that linked to the incident where they found:

A dead ambassador in the Lincoln room with an Arkansas State Troopers badge?

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 1:42 PM  

Weeping Johnny on Cruz

GWB on Cruz

What McConusall thinks of Cruz

I still haven't made up my mind who I'm supporting, if it is any of them, but if you think Cruz is establishment, you really don't have a clue.

Right now I am considering Cruz, Rand and Jindal, but from what I see, Jindal and Rand do not have a snowball chance in Hades of being anything other than "also ran" in the history books.

And for the record, I haven't voted for a Repuke for president in the general election, since I voted for Alan Keyes in 1996.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 1:45 PM  

@97 Josh
Trump just said he wanted Christie to be his running mate.
---

He must not be planning on running very far.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 1:48 PM  

@104 Josh
And also if we had any Yeb! supporters here Tom would probably mix it up with them.
---

We don't see his supporters because none of them speak English accept for his bro and dad, and maybe mom.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 2:00 PM  

@107 farmer Tom
Those of you including Vox, who are Trump fans, can you watch the entire 9 minutes of this video, which is part of a 90 minute speech, and tell us this clown is presidential?

Trump on Carson
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I'm trying to not be a Trump fan, so I'll bite. I watched it. I think Trump is partly trying to be funny like he's on SNL.

He's also using Carsons own writings and words against him.

They are both competing against one another in a primary. So what?

Anonymous farmer Tom November 13, 2015 2:02 PM  

One of the leaders of the "Tea Party" is done with Trump.

Ken Crow

Blogger CM November 13, 2015 2:05 PM  

We don't see his supporters because none of them speak English accept for his bro and dad, and maybe mom.

I thought more hispanics supported Trump than Jeb.

Those of you including Vox, who are Trump fans, can you watch the entire 9 minutes of this video, which is part of a 90 minute speech, and tell us this clown is presidential?

There is no doubt Trump is not a politician. But why is that a detriment? Presidents for the last 200 years have been... politicians. They know how to appeal to a large enough base to unite enough differently-minded people to win.

I was of the opinion that anti-establishment was just as much anti-politician. So if we are anti-politician, why are we so hung up on whether Trump or Carson "sound presidential"?

No. They do not sound like politicians.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 13, 2015 2:07 PM  

@115 CM
I thought more hispanics supported Trump than Jeb.
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They support him in English when they are in America :P

Blogger Student in Blue November 13, 2015 2:14 PM  

In my experience, the people here are not so much "fan of Trump" as they are thinking of Trump as a Hail Mary when it's 4th and 40.

And turning the ball over instead results in lots of bloodshed.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 2:18 PM  

I still haven't made up my mind who I'm supporting, if it is any of them, but if you think Cruz is establishment, you really don't have a clue.

He's the establishment's anti-establishment candidate.

Blogger Groot November 13, 2015 2:31 PM  

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Blogger Groot November 13, 2015 2:32 PM  

@6. chris:
"borderline treasonous"

Let us note the pun and promote it to a meme, with chris as the genius author (not intentionally, of course). In favor of illegal immigration? You're borderline treasonous.

Speaking of unintentional humor, look at the former GOP chairman's name: Dick Wadhams. Don't get your panties in a wad, dick. Somebody do something with the "ham."

Blogger Cail Corishev November 13, 2015 2:37 PM  

Those of you including Vox, who are Trump fans, can you watch the entire 9 minutes of this video, which is part of a 90 minute speech, and tell us this clown is presidential?

Why on earth would we want someone "presidential"? If you think that matters, you've completely missed the point of the Trump candidacy.

That's the kind of question "establishment" types ask, by the way.

Blogger Robert What? November 13, 2015 2:42 PM  

I have been saying for months that the GOP establishment would prefer Hillary over an unknown quantity like Trump or a true conservative. The only concern of the GOP establishment is to keep the Washington gravy train rolling. They know Hillary will do that. They can't be sure about Trump.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 13, 2015 3:44 PM  

Cuck- can you watch the entire 9 minutes of this video, which is part of a 90 minute speech, and tell us this clown is presidential?
HilLIARy can not even manage 2 email accounts with the help of an aide that sleeps in the same room to make sure she doesn't fall down drunk.

NEW federal police force? Just get the DEA types who have suddenly a lot less to do in many states like,

If Trump said he would pardon anyone who killed an illegal alien felon or drug dealer, 1/2 of Mexicans would self deport, and even black church going grandmothers would be buying hunting rifles. Black church groups might retake Harlem/Compton.

They are traitors. They need to be convicted of treason. I will let the good Colonel decide on an appropriate penalty.

Put them all together so they can not escape each other.

Anonymous BGS November 13, 2015 4:34 PM  

I consider Jebe Shrub to be a non-entity in this race. He is literally unmentioned in Iowa unless it is "anybody but Jebe".

The only reason for all of the zeros in the race is they are part of the plan to get Jeb in. I guess you didn't hear the GOPe changed the nomination requirements so they could force Jeb into the nomination. The zeros weaken opposition in their home states.
The splitter strategy- http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/16/the-modified-gope-strategy-road-map-the-full-monte/

Trump lines I'm waiting to hear: 1) "I'll name the first deportation center after Jeb Bush's wife"

Then the census is done in 2020. What happens to California's share of representatives? I'm liking this.

Its estimated that CA gets 20 electoral votes it shouldn't have thanks to illegals.

really wish there was a good reason why people think constant inflation is a good thing.
Deflation is the fruit of human progress. The reason bankers hate deflation is that it reduces the value of paper assets and increases the value of real assets (physical things).

Vince Foster was killed in the Server Room with a missing Rose Lawfirm File.

50 hookers was killed on train tracks with the Cattle futures evidence. With all the Clinton bodies it would take weeks to play the game.

I can tell you right now that Trump will not win Iowa, he will get second or third.You can make some money there, you know.

Vox should allow a form of betting on this site. Allow people to make bets with Castalia House pre paid credit so the winner would get the combined credit, usable only for CH, Brainstorm, or VFM expenditures.

I'm personal friends with the Iowa campaign managers for Trump and Cruz. I know Carson's Iowa guy, Huckebee's guy, hate the a-hole who was Perry's guy. Met several times Rubio ' s guy, once in his Senate office.

You sure get around, and I say that as a gay former healthcare traveler.

Blogger OneWingedShark November 13, 2015 5:11 PM  

VD said: "If they really meant ANYBODY but Cruz, they'd be throwing their support to Trump or Carson. They're not. So, ask yourself why that might be...."

That is a good thing to ask, if we look at the last few election-cycles we see some interesting things. In 2008 we were given a McCain/Obama choice, both of which had at least questionable Natural Born Citizen qualifications.¹ In 2012 we got to choose between Obamney/Obamney, where for all intents and purposes the same political person was being pushed.² And now our "not the briar patch!" Mr. Cruz, who was born in Canada to a father who was a Cuban citizen at the time... it seems like those in power are dead-set on building "precedence" for ignoring the natural born citizen clause, doesn't it?

I think that the reason for this is precisely because it's a requirement that is inherently nationalistic. (And given that the founders were concerned about Europeans swooping in and taking power for European interest, it's purpose is to try to limit influence that foreign powers can exert, denying them directly wielding the armed forces.) Can you imagine how much it must gall our open-borders overlords that the constitution places such an obviously nationalistic requirement on the office of President?

Certain actions and policies, like the NSA's domestic espionage, seem to pretty explicitly show that our government sees itself as separate from the laws that govern "the little people" and that they view the biggest threats as us, the general citizens. The ever increasing public debt, which is backed by the promise of your income-taxes [and you children's, and theirs ad infinitum] which are not voluntarily paid is, essentially, selling your descendents into slavery.

¹ While true that McCain was born in Panama, and there are arguments that he is eligible because of his parent's military status, the point isn't if he might [not] be eligible, but that there's any reasonable doubt. (And that's certainly not helped by the anchor baby/14th Amd fiasco.)

² What's interesting is that there's also some NBC-ish related issues w/ Romney; in that his father was a citizen of Mexico when he was born. (Some proffered definitions are "born of two citizen parents.")

Blogger TheRedSkull November 13, 2015 6:06 PM  

Groot you punster. Plant based life of the party.

Imagine Hillary with first strike capability. The bitch already goes nuclear once a month. This is the end.

Blogger Josh November 13, 2015 6:13 PM  

FFS we have comments with footnotes now?

Blogger OneWingedShark November 13, 2015 6:19 PM  

@84 Josh said: Probably the best thing for conservative politics would be for Trump to win a majority of primaries and have the nomination stolen at the convention.

The retroactive rule-changes in the 2012 primaries to get Romney to win (and deny Ron Paul any delegates) finally cemented my growing suspicion that the GOP was (a) no different then the Democratic party, and (b) completely lying about anything they-as-a-group claimed to stand for -- the 2014 midterms further confirmed this opinion.

So, I think that having so blatant and obvious shenanigans as the GOP giving the nomination to someone who didn't win the majority of primaries would be a good wake-up call to "the base" -- getting their face shoved into a "we aren't going to let you win" would really illustrate what sides the GOP views as which in their us vs. them-vision.

OpenID Jack Amok November 13, 2015 7:44 PM  

I don't mention Jebe, because I don't talk about the tooth fairy or unicorns either.

Good enough. As for Trump, I support him precisely because he isn't Presidential. Not in the conventional sense anyway. At the moment, I consider him the biggest "F-U" the voters can give to D.C.

Blogger SciVo November 13, 2015 11:49 PM  

@ farmer Tom: I agree that the establishment Repukes do not like the Donald or Carson, but over and over I hear from those types the same message, ANYBODY but Cruz.

Well, who do you think Trump or Carson would be likely to choose as Veep?

Blogger SciVo November 13, 2015 11:55 PM  

@ Student in Blue: I really wish there was a good reason why people think constant inflation is a good thing.

When there is deflation, business propositions have to compete with a coffee can buried in the back yard for ROI. This results in people literally starving to death from capitalism deficiency.

Blogger SciVo November 14, 2015 12:48 AM  

James Dixon: Or he could go out and pick someone out of left field.

For whatever reason, Scott Adams has been mentioning Mark Cuban.

Blogger SciVo November 14, 2015 12:53 AM  

@ rcocean: I predict Trump is going to drop out.

Is there a site where I can take that action?

Anonymous Discard November 14, 2015 1:42 AM  

Trump is against picking a fight with Russia, and is against illegal immigration. Most importantly, he said these things right out of the gate, not in response to some other candidate bringing the topics up. He led and they follow. I don't care if he's so unpresidential that he wears a suicide vest into the Senate. Bill Clinton was presidential? Hilary is?

Blogger James Dixon November 14, 2015 6:59 AM  

> This results in people literally starving to death from capitalism deficiency.

That's the Keynesian claim, yes. It's not really supported by the historical record. Also. I shouldn't have to point out to people that you don't need continuous inflation of 2%/year or more to prevent overall deflation.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 14, 2015 2:16 PM  

#132 Sorry I did not get back with an answer sooner. Kinda busy.

Trump will pick someone outside the mainstream of politics like Oprah, Mark Cuban or Tom Brady, or maybe a political thug like
Chrispy Creme Christie

Chrispy Creme Christie

Carson's will be a totally pragmatic decision, a woman, probably pro-abort, white, all to offset Hitlery,

<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/20/carson-charting-a-course-between-principle-and-pra/> Monica Wehby </a>

Blogger Bob November 19, 2015 5:16 PM  

"First, I would like to note, as an American Indian..."

National Geographic just said:

"Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome."

So Vox, you may, instead of being an East Asian, actually be an West Eurasian.

If that were true, would that change any of your opinions about what is going on in Asia?

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