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Wednesday, November 18, 2015

I am dangerous, Ice...man

The SF-SJWs are still spinning, spinning, spinning the Narrative in a desperate attempt to reclaim it:
On that note, what are your thoughts on the controversy around the Sad Puppies, the group who tried to rig the reader-voted Hugo Awards to favor “traditional” sci-fi works. It was clearly a powerful, angry, and organized reaction against the steady diversification of storytelling in sci-fi and spec-fic. What exactly is happening to this genre that’s so explosive and dangerous?

CP: White straight cis men are getting very upset because they feel they’re losing something when a more diverse set of stories is represented. On the one hand, they don’t have to worry—the share of representation of white straight cis male characters in sci-fi is maybe dropping from 98 percent to 95. But on the other hand, they’re right—they are losing some measure of dominance, and they should lose this. And I think acknowledging that challenges a fluffy teddy-bear idea of what an ally is—the idea that no one is going to lose anything. Being an ally requires giving shit up, which is what these people are not prepared to do.

CF: I think the throwing-the-toys-out-of-the-pram thing totally describes Brad Torgersen [sci-fi author and ringleader of the Sad Puppies]. I think Vox Day [another author, who organized an extreme offshoot of the Sad Puppies called the Rabid Puppies] is altogether a more sinister person, with really far-right politics and a desire to upset people to get attention. He’s a serious reactionary, traditionalist, religious, pseudofascist type—he even called leading spec-fic writer N.K. Jemisin an “uneducated half-savage” because she’s Black. And I think he saw Torgersen’s toy-throwing and said, “Here is a tool I can use to hurt people.”
It's amazing to me how many SJWs simply cannot get the quote correct. Even when they're attempting to kill-quote me in an article, they don't quote it!

"Being an educated, but ignorant half-savage, with little more understanding of what it took to build a new literature by "a bunch of beardy old middle-class middle-American guys" than an illiterate Igbotu tribesman has of how to build a jet engine, Jemisin clearly does not understand that her dishonest call for "reconciliation" and even more diversity within SF/F is tantamount to a call for its decline into irrelevance."

Granted, I understand the average SJW is not capable of following a sentence that long and complex, but how they go from "educated but ignorant" to "uneducated" is really quite remarkable.

But more importantly, SJWs always project. I don't have any desire to upset people, and I certainly don't seek attention. SF-SJWs always gloss over the fact that I was writing my political columns and participating as a member of SFWA for seven years without incident or undue attention until John Scalzi and Teresa Nielsen-Hayden saw fit to start publicly attacking me. Even after that, it was another eight years before I finally got around to taking the offensive and striking back.

Nor are those the only factual errors. But never mind those. It is more interesting to see how they have progressed from declaring me a complete nonentity to portraying me in much the way they are portraying Brad Torgersen now, to seeing me as a "sinister person". To which I can only wonder, "what part of Supreme Dark Lord" did they not understand?

I suppose they find the fact that my minions are vile, faceless, and many, as well as the fact that I am the author of the book that has been #1 Political Philosophy for 14 straight weeks to be as ominous as it is problematic. It would be amusing indeed if SJWAL stays on top long enough to be dethroned by Cuckservative.

But if they are concerned now, well, just wait until next year.

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173 Comments:

Blogger Groot November 18, 2015 2:58 AM  

What great fun! I watch in fascination what you do, part atrocity, part birthday cake, all comedy, shot through with formulaic horror film. Endless entertainment. Hear them shriek, giggling with terror.

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 8:08 AM  

willfully misrepresenting you or accusing you of wholly false things ... is a thing.

http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/characteristics-of-narcissistic-mothers/

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 8:09 AM  

There are the SJWs who lie to themselves constantly in order to keep their faulty worldview consistent, and there are those people who seem to be less SJWs and more straight-up conmen, fully aware of what they do and feeling zero remorse for trying to destroy others to raise themselves up.

It's really hard to tell the difference between the two, because they both lie constantly for their own sake.

Blogger Michael Maier November 18, 2015 8:09 AM  

I shouldn't be, but I'm still somewhat stunned these freaks are so offended by being freaks that they invented "cis" to describe normal, just to make themselves feel better.

Whatever happened to "Let your freak flag fly!"?

Blogger Michael Maier November 18, 2015 8:10 AM  

And it doesn't even work! Cuz everyone knows "cis" is normal, and everything else is freak.

Filthy moron faggots.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 November 18, 2015 8:18 AM  

Some people just want to watch the world burn... as a loyal minion I can say with confidence that anyone with a gallon jug of petrol, a match, and a screw loose is *MY* best friend. Especially when the target of this arson is a group that produced the like of Arthur Clarke, Isaac Asimov, and Robert Heinlein but now gives us were-seal porn and attempts to honor it with now meaningless awards. I've got an idea where that rocket should go Scalzi and to be honest in your case I imagine its made that trip more than once.

Anonymous bw November 18, 2015 8:19 AM  

C'mon, Man! We know you write a best seller daily while lifting and corner kicking etc but you've got to get it more right!
We aren't child molesters. We want the EXACT QUOTE (see how that works?) painful Truf! (leading into the next HolyWood quote/reference).

how they go from "educated but ignorant" to "uneducated" is really quite remarkable

They're Liars....and they hate Nature. They resent and hate It.

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 November 18, 2015 8:23 AM  

Next year will be a feast.

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 8:25 AM  

Not the tailhooks... not the tailhooks!

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 8:31 AM  

...to seeing me as a "sinister person".

Are you even left-handed? Ha!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 18, 2015 8:32 AM  

Good lord the psycho babble from those morons. No doubt those shitstains of humanity would be taking a step up in life if they converted to Islam and strapped a suicide belt on like their Syrian refugee allies.

Blogger Nate November 18, 2015 8:33 AM  

by the way... does everyone realize they are working on Top Gun 2?

...

I have no idea what to say about this...

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 8:35 AM  

@3: And the irony is that the title of the post linked is "Rewriting Reality."

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 18, 2015 8:44 AM  

Vox, will there be a brainstorm in the future to discuss what we can do to turn the tide in the West? I love SJWAL and look forward to Cuckservative and other books you and Castalia publish/will publish...but how can the rest of us get more active beyond discussion, complaining, and Twitter sniping? If the Elites and most of the sheeple (the shite being posted on FB by friends makes me ill with it's stupidity and bs virtue signaling) won't do anything to fix Western Civilization and the various peoples of the European nations, what can we do to fix it?

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 8:46 AM  

Vox, will there be a brainstorm in the future to discuss what we can do to turn the tide in the West?

Certainly, quite possibly this month.

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 18, 2015 8:47 AM  

They lost me at their name, Bitch Media.

So brave. So strong. So beautiful and smart.

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 18, 2015 8:49 AM  

@15 - Thank you! God bless you sir! I'll clear my schedule and finally commit to a yearly membership. I want to do everything I can to help.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 18, 2015 8:49 AM  

Nate, that's nothing. They're also working on a reboot of Road House, supposedly to star Ronda Rousey.

Holly Holm just might have saved us from the Apocalypse.

Blogger Salt November 18, 2015 9:09 AM  

Holly Holm just might have saved us from the Apocalypse

Saw on FB, great pic of Rousey with caption "Holm Schooled"

Blogger Salt November 18, 2015 9:12 AM  

Here's the pic

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 9:14 AM  

I'm still not really at a point where I can understand people wanting speculative fiction to be about contemporary politics instead of ideas generally.

I suppose it's the kind of person who demands to know why a video game doesn't feature a plot or theme that would attract female gamers; I don't know, maybe female gamers aren't the target market?

I suppose I understand that they are extreme narcissists who want everything to be about them and their particular interests, but... I'm still lost somewhere along the line, because I actually don't understand why anyone would want everything to be about them personally.

And what really interests me are the ways they interject contemporary social politics into areas where they make no sense. Like Star Wars, for example. The human population in Star Wars has no overarching religion, no specific moral beliefs common to all, and plenty of room for anyone and everyone to basically do whatever they want. So there's really no reason to think that the galaxy at large would actually care overmuch about someone being homosexual. It would add no tension to the plot, no drama, because no one would likely care. Maybe individual planetary cultures look down on it, but the galaxy at large? Corellia doesn't care what people living on Alderaan get up to, and vice versa. So why would they bother making a Moff a lesbian? You can't add any tension to the plot that way.

The Empire is patriarchal, so yes it can add drama to the plot to make her female. But making her homosexual adds nothing, and can't possibly add anything. If anyone in the Imperial military objected to her, it would be the fact that she was female, not the fact that she preferred women.

Or with Mass Effect. Mass Effect is even worse, because they kept trying to hint that asari were the lesbian relationship option. But not only are asari not human, they aren't actually female. Their species is monosexual; homosexuality in the human sense of the word isn't actually possible for them. Incest, yes, but homosexuality requires dimorphism, at minimum.

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 9:19 AM  

yeah, Rousey went to the hospital to get a bunch of stitches in her lip.

you know what Hollywood can't stand? ugly chick headliners.

Ronda gets into a couple of more fights like that and her face is going to look like mashed potatoes all the time.

how you going to be the "highest paid woman actor in Hollywood" ( Ronda's next goal ) when you look like Kathy Bates, Rousey?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 9:20 AM  

@20

Harsh, but funny.

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 9:30 AM  

12. Nate November 18, 2015 8:33 AM
I have no idea what to say about this...



how could it possibly be more homo?

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 9:37 AM  

@12 Nate

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 9:38 AM  

I'm still not really at a point where I can understand people wanting speculative fiction to be about contemporary politics instead of ideas generally.

Why are you so solipsistic? Who cares if you understand why they think the way they do or not? They are the enemy. They really think like that. That's all you need to know. You aren't going to change or fix them; they are just as likely to change you.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 9:43 AM  

@26

I suppose not. Understanding this enemy won't make me want to fight him any less, I just think it might help to better select my targets.

Blogger The Rev November 18, 2015 9:46 AM  

That article is kind of hilarious.

"Satan was a trans lady, that is my belief"

There's a rallying cry if I've ever heard one: 'We're just like Satan!'

"Being an ally requires giving shit up."

"I think it’s interesting these straight white cis guys are so focused on prestige."

I don't care about prestige, but if you don't shower me with awards, you are a suppressive person.

Remember, adults throw tantrums when they don't get showered with praise. Only children believe in a link between merit and reward.

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 9:48 AM  

" . . . . I just think it might help to better select my targets."

**facepalm**

Blogger dc.sunsets November 18, 2015 9:49 AM  

I sincerely desire to see a time when a person (man, woman or it) uses the term "cis" and is immediately beaten to the ground.

The very existence of such a term is an offense against nature, reason and sanity.

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 9:50 AM  

Understanding this enemy won't make me want to fight him any less, I just think it might help to better select my targets.

No, it won't. You select targets on three bases: a) how effective they are on offense, b) how vulnerable they are to attack, and c) how symbolic they are.

Blogger automatthew November 18, 2015 9:50 AM  

Thesis: promiscuous use of adverbs is a Gamma Tell.

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 9:51 AM  

"It's amazing to me how many SJWs simply cannot get the quote correct."

It's equally amazing that they're still fuming over it more than two years later.

Blogger Clint November 18, 2015 9:57 AM  

@32
That is a tantalizingly thought provoking premise that you have effectively presented.

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 9:57 AM  

"how could it possibly be more homo?"

Are you kidding? This is the 21st century. Bunch of non-pilots flying drones, endlessly whining about sexual harassment, insensitivity, misgendering, white privilege and the patriarchy. Can they find the courage to leave their safe spaces?

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 9:58 AM  


It's equally amazing that they're still fuming over it more than two years later.


I think they can't believe that it didn't suffice to disqualify me. They keep thinking just ONE MORE demonstration of it might do the trick.

Blogger Josh November 18, 2015 10:03 AM  

Thesis: promiscuous use of adverbs is a Gamma Tell.

In general, the lower you are on the hierarchy, the more words you use.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 18, 2015 10:04 AM  

Granted, I understand the average SJW is not capable of following a sentence that long and complex, but how they go from "educated but ignorant" to "uneducated" is really quite remarkable.

Nothing remarkable about it. They never read what you actually wrote.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 18, 2015 10:06 AM  

On the other hand they do have a gift for truncation.

Bitch media Rewriting Reality

This is all of Pink SFF in four words.

Anonymous Stickwick November 18, 2015 10:08 AM  

CP: I feel like one of the things fiction has great power to do is give me a relentless rush of reality in a way that doesn’t compromise that reality but lets me deal with it. And I mean, what better medium, what better form, to do that than speculative fiction? There’s so much power there.

CP: We’re looking for pieces that will disrupt us and make us feel weird and fuck us up. If you think your work doesn’t fit any lofty expectations, that's okay, too. We want to hear about trans elves and swords.

CF: Right, don’t concede to respectability. We want your dirty fan-fic about trans Dumbledore fucking Legolas. And Legolas is cis, and after they have sex Dumbledore feels really fucked up about it. If you have written that story please send it to us.


There was a news story recently about how a mysterious cosmic glow detected by the Planck satellite could be evidence of another universe bumping into ours. Herewith I present you all the far more compelling evidence of a parallel universe interacting with ours. It's one of the very few credible explanations for why anyone would think a story about Dumbledore and Legolas getting it on would not only merit publication, but would represent "a relentless rush of reality in a way that doesn’t compromise that reality." If the infinite multiverse hypothesis is true, there's a universe where this makes sense, and it's apparently bumping into ours.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 10:09 AM  

"But more importantly, SJWs always project."

One of their favorite IRL tactics is to push up against the target and yell, "Stop pushing me!"

And it worked great, until there was a video camera in every cell phone and a cell phone in every pocket.

" . . . they hate Nature. They resent and hate It."

Spot on, my definition of a vegan: Someone who loves animals but hates nature.

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 10:11 AM  

35. Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 9:57 AM
This is the 21st century. Bunch of non-pilots flying drones, endlessly whining about sexual harassment, insensitivity, misgendering, white privilege and the patriarchy. Can they find the courage to leave their safe spaces?



homos don't spend time crying about safe spaces ( except, rarely, as a pretense ).

homos parade down the street.

homos are *aggressive* in their perversion.

SJWs, for the most part, are aggressive in their passive-aggression.

that's part of what is so homo about that interaction between Maverick and Iceman. was wondering when Kilmer and Cruise were going to kiss each other. two homos jockying to figure out which is going to be top ... gun.

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 10:14 AM  

@WKL
Understanding this enemy won't make me want to fight him any less, I just think it might help to better select my targets.

It won't. They are emotive thinkers, so you strike them when they put their emotions out there.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:16 AM  

Vox,

I'm trying to reconcile these two statements:

1. I don't have any desire to upset people

2. I’m calling her a half-savage because I know it’s going to offend the crap out of her, because she’s going to run around screaming, ‘Racist! Racist!’ for the next 10 years.

Any help?

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 10:19 AM  

Any help?

I am amazed that you find it necessary. In the case of the latter, I was responding to someone who attacked me and lied about me in public. I don't have any desire to upset people. But once someone attacks me, then I am going to respond and upsetting them is only one of the things I will do to them.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:26 AM  

So you don't have any desire to upset people, but sometimes it's your goal to upset people?

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 10:27 AM  

think of it this way, the head homo in charge ( such as Peyton Head, student president of Missou ) is the narcissist who is aggressively manufacturing absurd pretexts about which he can throw a tantrum.

the mass of the SJWs and cuckservatives are the people who have been socialized / GROOMED to give the narcissist what they want at the mere threat of a tantrum.

the more ridiculous the pretext manufactured by the narcissist / sociopath to which you acquiesce, the greater control and power he demonstrates himself to have.

absurd complaints aren't a mistake, they are the goal. because the more absurd, the greater his personal stature.

and they're going to get more absurd yet.

Blogger bob k. mando November 18, 2015 10:28 AM  

46. jamsco November 18, 2015 10:26 AM
So you don't have any desire to upset people, but sometimes it's your goal to upset people?



pretending that you don't understand cause and effect doesn't mean we actually believe that you're that stupid.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:31 AM  

The cause doesn't matter. It was his goal to upset her.

Blogger Jack Aubrey November 18, 2015 10:32 AM  

A FORTHCOMING SPECULATIVE FICTION ANTHOLOGY ASKS TRANSGENDER AUTHORS TO IMAGINE NEW WORLDS

Sounds like a bestseller right there, you betcha!

Blogger Dexter November 18, 2015 10:33 AM  

Jemisin attended Tulane University from 1990 to 1994, where she received a B.S. in psychology. She went on to earn her Master of Education from the University of Maryland College Park.

Does this really constitute an education? Sure, it's not quite as low as you could go (e.g. gender studies) but close. "Indoctrinated, credentialed, and unsurprisingly ignorant" is how I'd put it. But then I'd say the same about McRapey's supposedly even more prestigious "education".

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 10:34 AM  

So you don't have any desire to upset people, but sometimes it's your goal to upset people?

Do you really enjoy playing stupid, Jamsco? I know you don't possess a substandard IQ, but you sometimes seem to go out of your way to make it look that way.

Anonymous Minion #0154 November 18, 2015 10:37 AM  

OT: vilefacelessminion.tumblr.com

If you want to pester the tumblrinas and SJWs, come play on tumblr.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 18, 2015 10:38 AM  

49. jamsco November 18, 2015 10:31 AM

The cause doesn't matter. It was his goal to upset her.


When you get punched and punched and punched.

Then you punch back.

Doesn't mean that you a looking to go around punching people.

Jamsco, stop striving to be most obtuse jacknut around here.

The fact that Vox has suffered you as patiently as he has shows he does not wish to upset people.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:39 AM  

"Do you really enjoy playing stupid, Jamsco?"

This is an example of heading into Rhetoric when Dialectic would be too hard.

Blogger John M November 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

@jamsco let's just put it this way: do you have an urge to kill people? Yet imagine you are in a middle of a terrorist attack like that in Paris and you have a gun, are you going to use the gun and save lives, or are you just going to stand around because you don't have a desire to shoot people?

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

@Jamsco

Sam Becket had so little desire for a Croix de Guerre that de Gaulle had to go to his flat to deliver it.

But the Nazis weren't content to simply occupy France, they had to march up and down the streets incessantly, making it difficult for Beckett to concentrate on his writing.

Something had to be done.

Blogger natschuster November 18, 2015 10:40 AM  

I'm confused. The SJW's said that the only stories that should be nominated are those that conform to SJW sensibilities. Lots of strong woman warriors. bad men, good aliens, etc. The Sad puppies said that any story could be nominated, as long as it is good. It looks like it the Puppies who are in favor of diversity, and the SJW's who aren't.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:41 AM  

"When you get punched and punched and punched. Then you punch back." Everyone who has a desire to upset people has a reason for the desire. The cause for it doesn't matter.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:42 AM  

"Yet imagine you are in a middle of a terrorist attack like that in Paris and you have a gun, are you going to use the gun and save lives, or are you just going to stand around because you don't have a desire to shoot people?"

I would use the gun and saved lives and then be honest and said I had a desire, in that case, to kill people.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 10:45 AM  

@Jamsco:

The train is fine, but the fucking glove got mutilated. Happy now?

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 10:46 AM  

Everyone who has a desire to upset people has a reason for the desire.

You're inserting "desire" into "I'll retaliate if I have to, and if I have to retaliate I'll use the most effective means."

Blogger Cail Corishev November 18, 2015 10:47 AM  

This is an example of heading into Rhetoric when Dialectic would be too hard.

You're doing it wrong.

Blogger Tory Scot November 18, 2015 10:47 AM  

They called you a "pseudofascist"? What's that supposed to mean? That you're not a fascist?

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 10:52 AM  

@Jamsco

Start nothing, finish everything.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 10:53 AM  

"You're inserting "desire" into "I'll retaliate if I have to, and if I have to retaliate I'll use the most effective means."

Yes, or to make your tautology more obvious, "If someone gives me reason to desire it, then I'll desire it."

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 10:55 AM  

Tory Scot: "What's that supposed to mean?"

It's just a disqualifier. It means roughly the same thing as "Yo mama."

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 10:58 AM  

Jamsco, stop striving to be most obtuse jacknut around here.

He's got some stiff competition lately. Ahem, White Knight Leo. One of the side effects of getting rid of people like Porky and... whoever that other nitwit who got the boot a month or two ago was... the lesser nitwits get a chance to rise to the occasion.

This is an example of heading into Rhetoric when Dialectic would be too hard.

Yes, it certainly is. And we'd all have preferred that you were capable of communicating in dialectic instead of launching right out with dishonest, passive aggressive rhetoric.

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 11:00 AM  

@58: I'm confused. The SJW's said that the only stories that should be nominated are those that conform to SJW sensibilities. Lots of strong woman warriors. bad men, good aliens, etc. The Sad puppies said that any story could be nominated, as long as it is good. It looks like it the Puppies who are in favor of diversity, and the SJW's who aren't.

Are you really confused, or are you just new to this whole Puppies business?

Blogger natschuster November 18, 2015 11:03 AM  

@69:

I'm pretty much an outsider. It's just when I read stuff like this I feel a cognitive disconnect.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 11:05 AM  

@natschuster: " . . . when I read stuff like this I feel a cognitive disconnect."

As well you should.

"It looks like it the Puppies who are in favor of diversity, and the SJW's who aren't."

But you're starting to work it out. There's hope for you yet.

Anonymous Bob November 18, 2015 11:07 AM  

Groot said:

"What great fun! I watch in fascination what you do, part atrocity, part birthday cake, all comedy, shot through with formulaic horror film. Endless entertainment. Hear them shriek, giggling with terror."

AMEN! I could not agree more!

I am one of Vox's "silent majority" that seldom posts, I generally keep my opinions confined to my own blog, but never miss a single day of Vox Popoli, enjoying what is happening to all those precious little snowflakes.

I might even start buying and reading SF again. No promises, tho.

Blogger The Rev November 18, 2015 11:09 AM  

Hey Jamsco, do you desire to act like a spering idiot, or are minor word choices the only thing you can find to criticize about Vox?

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 11:11 AM  

Jamsco is afflicted with pathological altruism.

Blogger S1AL November 18, 2015 11:12 AM  

And today we get to quibble over the meaning of "desire." Because some people don't understand that you go to the dentist because it's effective, not because you want to do it.

Blogger Danby November 18, 2015 11:13 AM  

@Jamsco
Why are you attacking an Indian, calling him a death-eating savage? Do you want to be a racist?

Blogger Nate November 18, 2015 11:15 AM  

"So you don't have any desire to upset people, but sometimes it's your goal to upset people?"

Jamsco shut the fuck up and play your Ned Flanders bullshit somewhere else.

Blogger James Dixon November 18, 2015 11:16 AM  

> But if they are concerned now, well, just wait until next year.

Cue ominous music in the background. :) I can hard wait to see what you have planned (though hopefully it includes finishing a certain fantasy novel).

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 11:21 AM  

One of the side effects of getting rid of people like Porky and... whoever that other nitwit who got the boot a month or two ago was... the lesser nitwits get a chance to rise to the occasion.

Ah, yes. Tiny Tim.

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 11:21 AM  

One of the side effects of getting rid of people like Porky and... whoever that other nitwit who got the boot a month or two ago was... the lesser nitwits get a chance to rise to the occasion.

Ah, yes. Tiny Tim.

Blogger SirHamster November 18, 2015 11:22 AM  

"They called you a "pseudofascist"? What's that supposed to mean? That you're not a fascist?"

Despite being the unquestionable Dark Lord of 400 odd vile faceless minions, sometimes he asks us if we want to play with our food.

Blogger Josh November 18, 2015 11:25 AM  

Dammit Jamsco...

Anonymous Athor Pel November 18, 2015 11:28 AM  

"18. Blogger Cail Corishev November 18, 2015 8:49 AM
Nate, that's nothing. They're also working on a reboot of Road House, supposedly to star Ronda Rousey.

Holly Holm just might have saved us from the Apocalypse."



When I saw "Road House" I read "Road Horse". It kind of works.

Anonymous Til November 18, 2015 11:28 AM  

Jamesco's statement is similar to the SJWs who, in the aftermath of a horrific terror attack, immediately focus in on how happy it must make the nationalists because now they have an excuse to hate.

"The reasons don't matter, only the badfeelz. Let's eliminate all badfeelz and wrongthink in the world and establish a utopia!"

We have you pegged, Jamesco.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 11:33 AM  

@83

That... creates a totally different image in my head. Sounds like a porno about a traveling slut.

Blogger jamsco November 18, 2015 11:40 AM  

Gaiseric: " with dishonest, passive aggressive rhetoric."
What was passive about it? (Or dishonest or rhetorical, for that matter.

Nate: ...Ned Flanders ...
What was Ned Flanders about it?

The Rev: " or are minor word choices the only thing you can find to criticize about Vox?"
What was minor about it?

Noah B: Jamsco is afflicted with pathological altruism.
What was altruistic about it?

I don't have a problem with Vox upsetting people or desiring to. He made a bold statement that was provably false and I called him on it.

But, with the goal of preempting a spamming, I'll stop now.

Blogger Stingray November 18, 2015 11:44 AM  

It's equally amazing that they're still fuming over it more than two years later.

They're not. They are giddy about it because they think they can keep using it to "hurt" VD.

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 11:47 AM  

I don't have anything to add to @84

Anonymous bagger vance November 18, 2015 11:48 AM  

If you're interested, a production of a play by college students was recently canceled by the author... because of the race of the student actors:

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/cancellation-of-college-production-of-jesus-in-india-over-casting-of-white-actors-prompts-debate/?_r=0

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2015/11/12/Clarion-University-forced-to-cancel-production-over-actors-race/stories/201511120096

I defy any white playwright to pull a similar move and still get the kid gloves treatment you see here.

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 11:48 AM  

"I'll stop now."

Smartest thing you've posted this morning.

(BTW, is *provably* an adverb?)

Blogger Chiva November 18, 2015 11:48 AM  

It looks like it the Puppies who are in favor of diversity, and the SJW's who aren't.

That is white straight cis men thinking.

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 11:49 AM  

@jamsco
Yes, or to make your tautology more obvious, "If someone gives me reason to desire it, then I'll desire it."

You're injecting desire into it erroneously, conflating it.

You can't seem to wrap your head around someone saying, "Man, I don't want to go to the gym. I hate it!" yet doing so anyway. They do not desire the gym, they desire something else, obviously.

Hence (and really this shouldn't need to be pointed out) Vox does not desire to go out and upset people. He instead desires them to stop lying about him.

There is no "...thus he desires to upset them!"

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 11:53 AM  

I don't have a problem with Vox upsetting people or desiring to. He made a bold statement that was provably false and I called him on it.

You're lying, Jamsco. You are a proven liar. You lied in the Calvinist debate. You are lying now.

It's astonishing how reliably dishonest you are for someone who likes to play Christ Police.

Blogger White Devil November 18, 2015 11:55 AM  

White Knight Leo #0368
That... creates a totally different image in my head. Sounds like a porno about a traveling slut.
I think you mean a movie the whole family can enjoy. Y'all Christians are just repressed.

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 11:55 AM  

This is an example of heading into Rhetoric when Dialectic would be too hard.

You are not capable of dialectic. So I don't bother trying to use it with you.

Blogger John Wright November 18, 2015 11:56 AM  

"The cause doesn't matter. It was his goal to upset her."

Bob k Mando, I am willing to believe Jamsco is that stupid. He cannot distinguish between crime and punishment, assault and retaliation, good and evil.

That is the goal of the modern mind. They seek escape from the knowledge of good and evil.

Blogger John Wright November 18, 2015 12:01 PM  

"Everyone who has a desire to upset people has a reason for the desire. The cause for it doesn't matter."

My IQ dropped by a point just reading that sentence. I am now down to 139.

I demand restitution.

Blogger James Dixon November 18, 2015 12:03 PM  

> He made a bold statement that was provably false and I called him on it.

You called him on it, yes. You have not shown that it is false. What part of "I don't have any desire to upset people" have you shown to be false? Please keep in mind that any individual person is not equal to the generic "people".

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 12:03 PM  

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

Paul Ryan to fund Obama's Islamic Invasion Force

Blogger White Devil November 18, 2015 12:05 PM  

"Everyone who has a desire to upset people has a reason for the desire. The cause for it doesn't matter."
Facts are hateful. Words are weapons. Disarm for Tolerance.

It's 2015.

Anonymous Starlet November 18, 2015 12:05 PM  

Just as an FYI, I'm showing SJWAL as bouncing around between #7 and #25 in political philosophy depending on how you arrive at the page...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/11065/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_2_4_last

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 18, 2015 12:08 PM  

The previews for the next Marvel Agent Carter have her becoming a mudshark. I think it will be scheduled after Super Coal Burning Girl.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 18, 2015 12:08 PM  

@46. jamsco

Why do you hate yourself?


Blogger Sevron November 18, 2015 12:10 PM  

Forwarding the motion that it be recognized that jamsco is, in fact not just pretending to be an idiot. Will anyone second the motion?

OpenID Jack Amok November 18, 2015 12:11 PM  

I'm still not really at a point where I can understand people wanting speculative fiction to be about contemporary politics

Leo, these people want everything to be about contemporary politics. Books, movies, video games, history, the type of car you drive, the stores you shop in, how and with who you have sex, the toilet in your bathroom... there is literally no aspect of life that these people will not attempt to politicize.

Now you understand your enemy. Start shooting.

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 12:14 PM  

"Now you understand your enemy. Start shooting."

Do you really want someone who needs to understand their enemy first, standing next to you in a foxhole?

Blogger Quadko November 18, 2015 12:16 PM  

On the projection topic, "dominance" and "power struggles" always appear in their discussions of these matters. It is far too frequent to make a good drinking game.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 12:19 PM  

" . . .the toilet in your bathroom... "

It used to be that the function of a toilet was to dispose of waste and the function of a washing machine was to get clothes clean.

Now they have an entirely different, and entirely political, function.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 18, 2015 12:25 PM  

What exactly is happening to this genre that’s so explosive and dangerous?

Bringing back exciting plots.

White straight cis men are getting very upset because they feel they’re losing something when a more diverse set of stories is represented.

Is it really die verse when the plot is always, stupid STR8 YT guy screws up and has to get help/advice from a majik negro professor doctor rocket surgeon? In real life have you ever meet a black as smart or a STR8 YT man as stupid as seen on TV? If so name them. The closest to the first was a black doctor that malpraticed himself to death with a medication error, and for the later none that are capable of Activities of Daily living. Any die verse city in who will win in a TV fight, a 90 pound girl in a bikini vs. a dozen 6'3" guys with arms bigger than her waist?

by the way... does everyone realize they are working on Top Gun 2? The Tuskegee Airman movie really bombed.

Anonymous BobDobbs November 18, 2015 12:25 PM  

@46. jamsco

you've been told. believe it. the train is FINE!

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 12:28 PM  

"In real life have you ever meet a black as smart..."

I did have some upper level physics courses with a guy from Ghana, but he clearly wasn't 100% black.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:36 PM  

@90

I think it is, but I also think he misspelled it.

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 18, 2015 12:37 PM  

@102 - BGS: I am over the constant race cuckoldry bs in all of the tv shows and commercials. And it's usually the pretty white girl goes for debonaire Oreo while white beta orbiter worships her. They know women direct the culture, and are more sensitive to herd signals...they want Europeans to not exist.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:38 PM  

@106

I don't stop to speculate on their motives when I'm under fire, only when I'm not.

And when Vox calls upon the VFM, I respond without hesitation.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:40 PM  

@113

This is why I don't watch TV. If that's really the norm, I don't want to see it. I also prefer to date girls who don't own a TV.

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 12:40 PM  

Just as an FYI, I'm showing SJWAL as bouncing around between #7 and #25 in political philosophy depending on how you arrive at the page...

That's Books. It's not bouncing around, the lower one is the Kindle version, the higher one is the paperback. The ebook is now bouncing between #1 and #3 in Kindle.

Blogger VD November 18, 2015 12:41 PM  

Now you understand your enemy. Start shooting.

Leo is a good soldier. He just turns barracks lawyer when there is nothing that needs doing.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:46 PM  

@117

... Implied criticism noted, sire.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 18, 2015 12:53 PM  

@112 I also think he misspelled it.

No.  It's the one thing he got right.

OpenID denektenorsk November 18, 2015 12:53 PM  

Ultimately "traditional" fiction has the last laugh... as no-one buys their progressive works and they do not make any money (aside from a few allies who still won't get any). They are generally not entertaining and are riddled with transparent political messages. People buy traditional works because they are entertaining and are an escape from these loons.

On an aside, I am a relatively new VFM. What do I do to partake in next years Hugo nominations?

Blogger Desiderius November 18, 2015 12:54 PM  

Jack,

"Leo, these people want everything to be about contemporary politics. Books, movies, video games, history, the type of car you drive, the stores you shop in, how and with who you have sex, the toilet in your bathroom... there is literally no aspect of life that these people will not attempt to politicize."

The definition of totalitarian.

This is why they should be the enemy of all decent people, whatever your political affiliation, Left, Right, or Center.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:56 PM  

@119

Looks like it. I was thinking there was an "e" in there somewhere. Guess not.

Blogger Desiderius November 18, 2015 12:56 PM  

John Wright,

"That is the goal of the modern mind. They seek escape from the knowledge of good and evil."

Hmm, interesting take. Back to Eden. Very Rousseau. I can see that. Hence the immaturity.

Blogger The Other Robot November 18, 2015 12:56 PM  

Meanwhile, the WSJ thinks that Trump supporters are evil old white working-class males:

Among Mr. Trump’s white working-class supporters, the demographic group most likely to back him is composed of men ages 50-64, with no more than a high-school education. Compared with other groups in the PRRI-Brookings survey, these men are the least likely to believe that immigrants strengthen the U.S. and the most likely to believe that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from American citizens. More than other voters, they are disturbed by the rising prevalence of non-English speakers in the U.S. And many blame Chinese imports and corporate outsourcing for U.S. job losses.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 12:58 PM  

@124

Not a Trump fan, but isn't he getting like 20% support with Hispanics?

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 18, 2015 1:00 PM  

@120 What do I do to partake in next years Hugo nominations?

Become a supporting member of MidAmericon 2.

Blogger Sevron November 18, 2015 1:03 PM  

WRT to WSJ, what, if anything, about those assertions are false?

Blogger Noah B #120 November 18, 2015 1:07 PM  

WSJ doesn't "think" anything, they're neocon whores who write whatever they're told to write.

Blogger Krul November 18, 2015 1:08 PM  

@113 DA- "...they want Europeans to not exist."

The trouble with Europe...

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 18, 2015 1:09 PM  

demands to know why a video game doesn't feature a plot or theme that would attract female gamers

Have player housing that you can decorate when all the STR8 guys are raiding.WOW last expansion. Have lots of more pets , WOW 2 expansions ago. Let you spend cash to buy a pretty sparkle pony WOW 3 expansions ago.

why anyone would think a story about Dumbledore and Legolas getting it on would not only merit publication, but would represent

You should read the one about Dumbledore and the Balrog

So you don't have any desire to upset people, but sometimes it's your goal to upset people?

Jamsco do you seriously not understand not hitting back? If you got stabbed 40x on a train in DC after telling a groid it was not fair that he stole your phone would your last words be Not All Blacks Are Like That.

george strong ‏@georgestrong555 · Jul 6 @KevinSutherland But I defended blacks on the internet, said K. Sutherland, famous last words lol. Got what he deserved. Libtards.

BigGaySteve ‏@BigGaySteveC · Jul 11 @georgestrong555 @KevinSutherland Actually he said "Not All Blacks Are Like That"

SJWs who, in the aftermath of a horrific terror attack, immediately focus in on how happy it must make the nationalists because now they have an excuse to hate

The only negative thing feminists said about Rotheham's 1700+ little white indigenous girls raped by 3rd world moslems was that it proved the right was right.

WRT to WSJ, what, if anything, about those assertions are false?

I would say military people would have as good an understanding that low IQ 3rd world immigration will not benefit anyone not on the take of wealth redistribution. Nanny Bloomers actually believes Detriot would be better off if more welfare recipients moved there.

Blogger Nate November 18, 2015 1:11 PM  

"I'm still not really at a point where I can understand people wanting speculative fiction to be about contemporary politics "

Think of the capital F Fascists. Everything is the state. Nothing is apart from the state.

To these people... politics is their life. Social Justice is their career... their hobby... everything. It informs everything they think... and everything they say and do is based on social justice goals.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 18, 2015 1:11 PM  

"I don't have any desire to kill people, but I will shoot to kill in self defense."

WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE???!??

"I don't understand. You're sad when your soldiers die, but you're not sad when the Taliban die?" ... We should all join the Taliban and be happy all the time.

Actually, though, Jamsco is probably operating on the biomoral predicate that breaches of peace, e.g. overt aggression, are forbidden. Instead moral violations are to be handled by prestige loss and ostracism from group. In other words, Barbary macaque sociobiology. He is thus rationally objecting to Vox's retaliatory aggression as beyond the pale regardless of provocation.

Unfortunately Jamsco seems unaware that his biomorality proceeds from an EXTINCT SPECIES (Neanderthals) whose perspective only persists due to the Cro Magnon penchant for gang rape. And thus probably does not represent the most adaptive of policies at current population scale and technology levels.

Blogger Markku November 18, 2015 1:12 PM  

Jamsco, does God desire that people should go to hell?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 1:14 PM  

why anyone would think a story about Dumbledore and Legolas getting it on would not only merit publication

a story about Dumbledore and Legolas getting it on



...What the hell? What fresh hell is this? Why? Why? Why on Earth would you write something like that?

I feel like the pope in that one scene in 'Eurotrip'. Only instead of some idiot college kid, it's a miniature Douglas fir tree that people think is the new pope.

OpenID denektenorsk November 18, 2015 1:18 PM  

@126 TY. Will do so at a random time in the future.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 1:19 PM  

@131

There's a PSA made in the UK that I saw recently, about a student who goes to math class. The teacher asks simple arithmetic questions, but the answers she accepts are things like "gender equality" instead of "2". And then they're supposed to hand in their math research projects, and she averages all of the grades together but hands out bonus "privilege points", and the retarded Asian kid whose project was literally a sheet of paper with a misspelled "Equality" written on it gets the top score as a result. When the new guy objects, they stick him in a steel coffin in the middle of the classroom, and reset the trap for the next student.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 18, 2015 1:22 PM  

@131


Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

Blogger White Devil November 18, 2015 1:26 PM  

White Knight Leo #0368
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM
Cognitive shortages and political cults have alarming overlap.

Anonymous Starlet November 18, 2015 1:27 PM  

That's Books. It's not bouncing around, the lower one is the Kindle version, the higher one is the paperback. The ebook is now bouncing between #1 and #3 in Kindle.

So it's already been dethroned, but you're right, that would have been amusing.

Anonymous IndecisiveEvidence November 18, 2015 1:27 PM  

Alternate headline: "Freak author using sci-fi as vehicle for his neuroses strangely angry at his dad and Vox Day but mostly his dad."

Blogger maniacprovost November 18, 2015 1:30 PM  

"But more importantly, SJWs always project."

One of their favorite IRL tactics is to push up against the target and yell, "Stop pushing me!">


This has literally happened to me. Apparently because I didn't move when they were trying to push me out of the way. In hind sight, being in the front row for Hardball with Chris Mathews was not worth making physical contact with Democrats.

Blogger Daniel November 18, 2015 1:33 PM  


@131 To these people... politics is their life. Social Justice is their career... their hobby... everything. It informs everything they think... and everything they say and do is based on social justice goals.

This is precisely why the zombies in the movies always want brains.

As early as George Romero's Night of the Living Dead in 1968 that the zombie was directly symbolic of the SJW - an unchanging, persistent, single-minded new creature whose very presence stripped normal Americans of their veneer of humanity, exposing the deep and twisted animal nature of the traditional family ("They're coming to get you Barbara!"), of citizen service (the deputized posse getting kicks from potshotting the SJWs) of the patriarchy (the cowardly dad with the zombie daughter) and of institutional racism (black hero makes it to sunrise only to be shot on sight by white cops).

While the zombies more overtly stood in as the misunderstood baby boomers of the day, SJWism hasn't exactly skipped the later generations. We'll be lucky if it only takes 2 million crucified Progressives before civilization regains its footing.

Blogger Daniel November 18, 2015 1:35 PM  

@140 ...

Very nice. I'm out of gold stars, but I think I've got a silvered skull around here somewhere...

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 2:15 PM  

" . . . Barbary macaque sociobiology."

Firefly sociobiology - if somebody tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back.

"We'll be lucky if it only takes 2 million crucified Progressives before civilization regains its footing."

I'm busy making sure we simply have enough lampposts, but if Kratman wants to make sure they all have appropriate crossbars, he'll get no objection from me.

SJW famous last words: But I'm not Spartacus, he is!

Blogger Groot November 18, 2015 2:37 PM  

@32. automatthew:
"Thesis: promiscuous use of adverbs is a Gamma Tell."

Antithesis: precise use of an arrow is a William Tell.

Blogger Rabbi B November 18, 2015 2:39 PM  

@145 Groot

You are SO Groot. Well played.

Anonymous tublecane November 18, 2015 2:44 PM  

I think they meant crypto-fascist or just plain fascist instead of pseudo-fascist, which doesn't make any sense.

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 3:24 PM  

He is a pseudo-fascist. Since he's not a fascist.

Blogger Markku November 18, 2015 3:37 PM  

I can't believe I missed that. Pseudo-facist would mean someone who is widely thought to be a facist, but is actually not one.

For example: Apocalypse of Pseudo-Ephraem, written by someone who at one time was thought to be Ephraem, but actually isn't.

Blogger Gaiseric November 18, 2015 3:50 PM  

Of course, there's been semantic drift in general vulgar usage of the prefix pseudo, but still. Technically it's actually completely correct, although exactly not for the reasons the original user intended.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2015 3:58 PM  

@3 Student in Blue

It's really hard to tell the difference between the two, because they both lie constantly for their own sake.
---

Con man can't tap into the hive mind.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2015 4:09 PM  

@36 VD

I think they can't believe that it didn't suffice to disqualify me. They keep thinking just ONE MORE demonstration of it might do the trick.
---

This reminds me of those odd movies from the late 1970's where they would experiment with chimps. If they poke the button they would get a banana. In this case, the SJWs (chimps) keep hitting the same button, but the disqualify (banana) doesn't come out. So they fling poo, flip over backwards, and smash the button over and over wondering desperately where the banana is.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 4:18 PM  

" In this case, the SJWs (chimps) keep hitting the same button, but the disqualify (banana) doesn't come out."

Skinner discovered that if you tried that with pigeons you would "lose your pigeon."

Which just goes to show, SJWs aren't as smart as a pigeon.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2015 4:32 PM  

@124 The Other Robot
Meanwhile, the WSJ thinks that Trump supporters are evil old white working-class males:
--
WSJ
SJW

Is there a JWS out there we are unaware of?

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 4:34 PM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson%E2%80%93Weiss_syndrome

Blogger Danby November 18, 2015 5:04 PM  

@154 Were-Puppy
Is there a JWS out there we are unaware of?
You left out the vowel.

Anonymous kfg November 18, 2015 5:06 PM  

That's the way they roll.

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 5:16 PM  

You left out the vowel.

Jaws?

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 5:19 PM  

@Were-Puppy
Con man can't tap into the hive mind.

Not true. The con man alters his message to tap into the person's fears, even if he isn't a part of the hive mind himself.

See: Anita Sarkeesian and "Josh" McIntosh.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2015 5:19 PM  

@156 Danby
@154 Were-Puppy
Is there a JWS out there we are unaware of?
You left out the vowel.
---

WSJ
SJW
JWS

I'd like to buy a vowel :P

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2015 5:23 PM  

@159 Student in Blue
@Were-Puppy
Con man can't tap into the hive mind.

Not true. The con man alters his message to tap into the person's fears, even if he isn't a part of the hive mind himself.
---

So in this case the con better be stronger than the hive signals? Or maybe this is like we sometimes see when they appear to reset to some previous position, when they were being pulled from it for a time. It's the hive mind reasserting itself.

Blogger automatthew November 18, 2015 6:27 PM  


"Thesis: promiscuous use of adverbs is a Gamma Tell."

Antithesis: precise use of an arrow is a William Tell.


Synthesis: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Am I Hegeling correctly?

Blogger SciVo November 18, 2015 6:35 PM  

@ Were-Puppy:

This should help explain it: Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution

Blogger Student in Blue November 18, 2015 10:46 PM  

@Were-Puppy
So in this case the con better be stronger than the hive signals?

Is the parasite stronger than its host? No, it simply hijacks the automated process for its own benefit and harms the host in exchange.

Or maybe this is like we sometimes see when they appear to reset to some previous position, when they were being pulled from it for a time. It's the hive mind reasserting itself.

No, both SJW and conman do this. The con does it solely to continue baffling onlookers. The SJW does it to continue baffling themself into believing their own bullshit.

OpenID Jack Amok November 19, 2015 1:58 AM  

Leo is a good soldier. He just turns barracks lawyer when there is nothing that needs doing.

Well, that's his problem! There's always something that needs doing these days.... And notice I didn't saw what he should start shooting with. His choice, 5.56, .308,, 12 gauge buckshot... I have my preferences but as long as he brings his own ammo, I'm fine with whatever.

I just wanted to make sure Leo didn't continue to torture himself trying to find any rhyme or reason to why these totalitarian freaks want to politicize random things. There is none. They politicize things because that's just what they do.

Blogger OneWingedShark November 19, 2015 2:32 AM  

It is more interesting to see how they have progressed from declaring me a complete nonentity to portraying me in much the way they are portraying Brad Torgersen now, to seeing me as a "sinister person". To which I can only wonder, "what part of Supreme Dark Lord" did they not understand?

Maybe it's because you're not black.

Blogger bob k. mando November 19, 2015 8:17 AM  

59. jamsco November 18, 2015 10:41 AM
Everyone who has a desire to upset people has a reason for the desire. The cause for it doesn't matter.



a question for you, Jamsco:
when is the last time you went Concern Trolling John Scalzi over his attempts to "upset" Vox? or over at Making Light, for their repeated attacks on him?

if you have done so, please provide a link.



96. John Wright November 18, 2015 11:56 AM
Bob k Mando, I am willing to believe Jamsco is that stupid.



a *willful refusal* to grasp an obvious concept is not 'stupidity' ( which is a physical incapability of understanding the concept under discussion ).

nor can it be 'ignorance', because BEFORE the posturer can deny the existence of the position he must first actually know which position cannot be admitted to exist.

i'm calling him a deceiver.

although, he's likely deceived himself as much as anyone else.

that's what grooming is for. to create a personality which controls itself when the abuser is not around, and to permit the abuser to get away with ever more egregious behavior when the abuser is present.

Anonymous Anonymous Something November 19, 2015 10:01 AM  

Rocket, asterisk, some assembly required.

Blogger Technomad November 19, 2015 12:25 PM  

The thing is, I've seen pleas, including from some very "liberal" authors (Spider Robinson comes to mind in this connection) for people who care about SF and the future of the genre to, for God's sake, get supporting Worldcon memberships even if they can't attend, and vote on the Hugos! Here you and the Sad Puppies actually _do_ that, and they're screaming like they're being deflowered by velociraptors!

Did Robinson and the others actually mean what they said, or did they only want the "right" sort of people to follow them?

Anonymous tublecane November 19, 2015 5:16 PM  

"He is a pseudo-fascist. Since he's not a fascist."

Pol Pot wasn't a fascist either, but you won't hear anyone call him a pseudo- one. For that term to apply you have to pose as a fascist, or at least have people think you're a fascist, without actually being one. None of that applies to Vox. What they wanted to say of him, I think, is the exact opposite: i.e. that he actually is a fascist though he poses as something else.

Anonymous tublecane November 19, 2015 5:33 PM  

Being a fake-something isn't the same as not being something, by the way. Neither a doodle nor a counterfeit Vermeer are Vermeers, but only the latter can be called a pseudo-Vermeer. If Vox isn't a fascist and no one but liars call him a fascist then he is a non-fascist, not a pseudo-fascist.

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 19, 2015 6:07 PM  

@170 "What they wanted to say of him, I think, is the exact opposite: i.e. that he actually is a fascist though he poses as something else."

That would be a crypto-fascist.  Pseudo- means fake, someone who looks like a fascist but really isn't.

Blogger SciVo November 20, 2015 1:03 AM  

The train is crypto-fine. We just need to clean some brains and viscera off of it, and then our enemies will know how to properly phrase their lies about us.

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