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Monday, November 30, 2015

It's always Over There

I'm not simply discounting the warning in this article postulating large-scale Islamic 4GW in Europe. But I am just a little amused by it, as Americans always, always, always fail to understand Europe and tend to underestimate the strong nationalist core underneath the soft modern welfare state:
The hard core of the battle-hardened jihadists now fanning out across Europe understands the tried-and-true process of igniting a civil war through terror. They will calculate that the European military and police cannot and will not sustain the battle against an unceasing campaign of terrorism. Brussels cannot remain on virtual lockdown forever without its economy being wrecked. What will happen when a Paris-type attack, or worse, is a daily event in a dozen European cities?

As I mentioned above, just the other day in northern Italy eight hundred combat-style pistol-grip shotguns were discovered in a truck on their way from Turkey to Belgium. Do the math. The Paris attacks were carried out by approximately eight jihadists armed with Kalashnikovs, shotguns and TATP suicide vests (which can be manufactured anywhere there is a kitchen). Now imagine a “Super Tet Offensive,” with every type of target on the hit list from airports to zoological parks, each being assaulted by an eight-man squad of such killers. Some attacks smaller, some larger, from pairs to platoons in strength.

Today, perhaps only a few short months prior to Tet 2016, there is no Islamic high command located in Europe or elsewhere in charge of planning specific terror operations. There is no OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, the supreme command of the German Nazi armed forces) planning an Islamic Operation Barbarossa. Hence, there is no command and control structure for Western intelligence to penetrate and disrupt.

Instead of a central brain directing many hands, think of a vast swarm of stinging jellyfish, all moving in loose formation, with the same generalized attack plan in their collective hive-mind. At the end of 2015, individual muhajirs may have only a basic awareness that they are heading to Europe to conduct a great jihad. As D-Day draws nearer, coded messages will proliferate with cryptic references to portentous events from Islamic history. “Get ready, and prepare to conduct major operations” will be the thrust of the online chatter and encrypted wireless messages. In each European city, targets will be individually scouted by local mujahirs in anticipation of a general outbreak of jihad terror attacks.

How many mosques have already received a truckload of shotguns or Kalashnikovs? Run the numbers again: eight jihadists per terror attack, eight hundred weapons per truck, 80,000 Viet Cong fighters in the original Tet Offensive, and an estimated 800,000 muhajirs flooding into Europe. Using radical mosques as clandestine armories is S.O.P in the Middle East, so why would the jihadists not use the same tactics in safe and docile Europe? Out of a sense of fairness and respect for European laws? Please. In the words of Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” And bear in mind that anyplace an AK-47 can be smuggled, so too can a few kilos of Semtex.

Imagine a dozen or even a score of Beslan-type school sieges, all happening at the same time, across that number of European cities. Initially, the first string of major surprise attacks will be coordinated by the most well-organized terror networks using currently unbreakable wireless encryption. Many of the attacks will involve numerous captured hostages, often children, with impossible demands being made to guarantee their safety. Or no demands will be made; just rape and slaughter will ensue, as in the Russian Beslan example. This outbreak of major attacks will be the signal for the general jihad offensive to begin.
The Beslan Massacre happened in 2004 at the hands of yet another killer gang of aggrieved Islamists. Two squads of Chechen Muslim terrorists arrived on the first day of school in a Russian town, using false police vans as camouflage. They took a thousand young hostages and held them for three days. The Muslim terrorists murdered over four hundred innocents, often after rape and torture. Now, imagine twenty ongoing European Beslans, with simultaneous infrastructure and “soft-target” (people) attacks happening everywhere in between.

What Hitler’s Nazis accomplished with Stukas and Tigers and motorized divisions, the Islamonazis will attempt to accomplish by a massive “Tet Offensive on steroids,” overwhelming and stunning the European meta-system into immediate paralysis and first psychological, then material defeat. At least, that is the outcome that the Islamonozis will be striving to achieve. The 1968 Tet infiltration and mass-attack strategy didn’t succeed in Vietnam, and maybe it won’t work in Europe, either. It’s more likely that the hoped-for general uprising by all European Muslims against the kafirs will not be triggered, and it may simply stall and sputter out.

In strategic terms, if nothing else, the 2016 jihad offensive and subsequent civil war in Europe will open up a second major front in the war against the Islamic State, causing NATO and the West to turn their attention inward toward their own survival, and thereby take pressure off the other theaters of war in Iraq and Syria.

And for the Europeans to win the coming civil war, they will have to be at least half as brutally ugly as their Muslim invaders, and that means pretty damn brutally ugly. But while the jihadists will be operating at maximum brutality from day one, the placid and polite European authorities will be starting from far behind in that department. For example: a standard jihadist tactic is to flee from a terror attack straight back into the embrace of their co-religionists in the Sharia-zone ghettos, and hide behind their women and children. Then what will the authorities do? Go in and try to arrest them? (Just joking.) Wait for their next excursion with more terror bombs? Or gut the entire suspected block with shell fire? This is what I mean by damn ugly. The French reaction to the Paris attacks gives a hint of how this phase will run.

Best case scenario, and I don’t see this as likely: the 2016 Islamic Tet attackers will be wiped out the way the Viet Cong were in 1968. But if there are enough simultaneous attacks, in total numbers involving anywhere near the 80,000 or so fighters of the Vietnamese Tet, I can’t see how the present European forces can defeat the jihadists in less than a month, if at all. By very simple math, that number of jihadists means ten thousand Paris-level attacks. Think about that. Ten thousand Paris level attacks! All taking place in the same month, the same week, even on the same day, right across Europe. The politically-correct and overly polite European policemen (and even their militaries, at first) won’t be up to mounting successful counterattacks and rescue operations against a score of Beslans happening in schools, hospitals and concert halls. Not while at the same time, airports, train stations, power plants and other targets are being hit by Paris-sized terror squads right across Europe.
What Americans always fail to understand is that Europeans are, by and large, far more ruthless than they are. They, and not the Europeans or the Russians, were the party responsible for preventing the Serbians from ethnically cleansing the Muslims out of Bosnia and Herzogovina.

When a handful of activists were shot at Kent State, America was wracked with guilt. When the Parisian police handcuffed and drowned dozens of Algerian activists in the Seine, they gave the chief of police a medal.

Attempting to judge European attitudes by the statements of Hollande and Merkel is like judging Americans by Obama's sanctimonious platitudes. If there is an uprising of the sort envisioned, there will be an ultraviolent, ultranationalist reaction that will make the Russians in Berlin look calm and reasonable.

Keep in mind that Europeans are already banning the wearing of burqahs in public. They are erecting barbed-wire borders and openly abrogating treaties in defense of their nations. Political parties with considerable support are talking openly about tearing up residence permits and enacting mass deportations. Nor do Europeans have much regard for religious liberties behind which Muslims can hide in the USA; Scientology is already banned in Germany and they could literally ban Islam tomorrow if the leadership was amenable. And the fact that the Islamic populations tend to be concentrated only makes the strategic issue that much easier to address, if necessary.

Furthermore, Europeans are far from unarmed. Both France and Germany have more than 30 firearms per 100 population. This is lower than 88.8 per 100 as in the USA, but it is hardly an indication of being defenseless. What Europeans don't have is handguns; they have the rifles and shotguns that would be more militarily useful.

But the chief problem with this Tet 2.0 concept is that it is simply not in keeping with everything we know from military history about how Muslims historically wage war. What works for a highly disciplined, patient group of Asians fighting foreigners in their homeland is considerably less likely to be effective for a more aggressive and impetuous collection of teenagers and twenty-somethings from the Middle East.

And while too much of the European leadership is very nearly as treacherous, and anti-nationalistic as he describes, I very much doubt that any of them are secret Muslims. The fact is that most Europeans look at Muslims the way Americans view Hispanics; they don't really see them as a serious threat. After all, their forefathers repeatedly defeated them for literally centuries. They may be right to discount the threat, they may be wrong, but they certainly aren't guided by abject fear of it.

If anything, I think the problem is that as highly secular societies, they find it difficult to take a threat that involves a religious motivation seriously.

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113 Comments:

Blogger Markku November 30, 2015 12:48 PM  

This is what I mean by damn ugly.

That doesn't even come close to what I'm thinking, when I'm thinking ugly.

Blogger Markku November 30, 2015 12:56 PM  

However, I would say that what we need right now is about twenty more Frances, to give us stomach for what needs to be done.

Blogger Daniel November 30, 2015 12:57 PM  

Tet fighters didn't celebrate their defeats by wasting ammunition in the air at weddings.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 30, 2015 1:03 PM  

@3 Daniel raises a good point. The VC were far more disciplined than the jihadis.

And it's worth remembering that the Tet Offensive was the death of the Viet Cong. U.S. and South Vietnamese forces annihilated them. It was a propaganda victory...of a sort that can't happen in Europe. For the United States, Vietnam was merely a front in a much larger war with the Soviets. Disengagement and retreat were always on the table. The Europeans have nowhere else to go. For them, this will be a Clausewitzian Total War.

And that will go very badly for the ISIS forces. The UK, France, and Russia all have bottled sunshine.

OpenID denektenorsk November 30, 2015 1:10 PM  

"If anything, I think the problem is that as highly secular societies, they find it difficult to take a threat that involves a religious motivation seriously."

Therein, is the real problem. As enlightened, smug westerners who have given up their tribal superstitions they then project that everyone else on the planet takes religion as seriously as they do (which is to say not at all). They are making a deadly mistake as the majority of the planet is indeed deadly serious about their religion. As you say, if such attacks become more common place then the native populations will take security into their own hands and hurt feelings be damned.

I just hope they remember to deport their traitorous politicians with them as an example to future generations of potential 'enlightened liberals'.

The wise tactic for the invaders would be to be patient and outbreed the native Europeans over 1-3 generations and slowly boil the frog. I wonder if one of Merkels advisors intentionally kicked the frog pot over with thier open borders policy? Surely even the most mathematically retarded among them can figure out they cannot provide welfare and housing for Africa, the Middle East and south/central Asia?

Blogger kurt9 November 30, 2015 1:11 PM  

VD, I hope that you are correct and that the Western Rifle Shooters blogger is wrong. Where you are definitely correct is that Middle-eastern people definitely lack the self-discipline and organizational ability of East Asian peoples (the Vietnamese are an off-shoot of the Han Chinese). Nobody, and I mean nobody, is willing to fight and die in mass numbers to keep out "the invader" than East Asian peoples. We Americans have learned this the hard war through three land wars in East Asian countries.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 30, 2015 1:11 PM  

I thought the best part of the piece is the analysis of the who and why. I am not an expert on any of this. I do appreciate your views as always. Thanks for addressing this.

Anonymous Geoff November 30, 2015 1:12 PM  

Having already moved from the USA to Europe, Vox might be accused of talking his book, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. The message that nationalism is greater in Europe than the USA is so interesting, and so contrarian, that I love it.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 30, 2015 1:14 PM  

the 2016 Islamic Tet attackers will be wiped out the way the Viet Cong were in 1968.

There probably won't ever be an "Islamic Tet". That would require a level of coordination they have never demonstrated. We're not dealing with the Viet Cong here, we're dealing with semi-retarded young jihadis.

But if there are enough simultaneous attacks, in total numbers involving anywhere near the 80,000 or so fighters of the Vietnamese Tet, I can’t see how the present European forces can defeat the jihadists in less than a month

Present European forces number between 200 and 300 million.

Then what will the authorities do? Go in and try to arrest them?

If his far-fetched scenario came to pass, what "the authorities" do will be a footnote to the real action.

Blogger Student in Blue November 30, 2015 1:14 PM  

@Geoff

I fail to see how it's contrarian.

Blogger kurt9 November 30, 2015 1:15 PM  

And while too much of the European leadership is very nearly as treacherous, and anti-nationalistic as he describes, I very much doubt that any of them are secret Muslims.

They're not. Unfortunately, I think many of them are willing to "co-exist" with Islam in order to maintain their perks and privileges of power. In short, they are suck-ups and suck-ups are always collaborators. Do bear in mind the French ruling classes have a history of collaboration, and the Germans are still being made to live down Hitler. This is where i think you are wrong. The various native European peoples are going to have to take on their ruling classes in order to win the war against the invader.

Anonymous Jasper November 30, 2015 1:19 PM  

The article describes an early stage in the war ISIS wants. It is a bit hyperbolic -- even in 2006, there were a lot fewer bombings in Iraq than the article describes.

My guess is that the EU leaders are hoping the guerrilla war will "only" be on the scale of the European guerrilla warfare during the 1970s: The IRA vs. England, the Red Brigades vs. Italy, the Red Army Faction vs. Germany, the ETA vs. Spain.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 30, 2015 1:20 PM  

Gave you some pub over there in return for your pub over here:
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/bracken-tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-149712

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 1:20 PM  

Then what will the authorities do? Go in and try to arrest them?

The authorities are mostly there to keep the public from taking matters into its own hands.

This is where i think you are wrong. The various native European peoples are going to have to take on their ruling classes in order to win the war against the invader.

How in the name of all that is good and holy do you think that makes me wrong? There isn't a single person in Europe who hasn't known that for years. The stated purpose of the EU was to fight nationalism. Did Breivik's targets somehow escape you?

Anonymous Geoff November 30, 2015 1:20 PM  

@Student in Blue - "I fail to see how it's contrarian"

That's because your smart. I think the general perception is that Europeans are a bunch of left wing pussies whereas Americans are right wing gun nuts.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier November 30, 2015 1:21 PM  

Depending on how one views Revelation, the Kings of the World ride horses to Armaggedon. I keep seeing this as fulfilled because the rest of society and civilization has collapsed back to that level, ala Planet of the Apes.

Vox, how do you view the Book of Revelation?

Blogger DadOfTen November 30, 2015 1:21 PM  

How much of the "Muslim" problem is really a problem of the Wahhabi sect of Islam being heavily subsidized by the house of Saud?

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 1:22 PM  

How much of the "Muslim" problem is really a problem of the Wahhabi sect of Islam being heavily subsidized by the house of Saud?

90 percent. They fund nearly all of it.

Blogger kurt9 November 30, 2015 1:23 PM  

If this terror campaign of 2016 does come to pass, I guarantee you the Trump=ster will be the next president of the U.S.A.

Blogger James Dixon November 30, 2015 1:25 PM  

> And while too much of the European leadership is very nearly as treacherous, and anti-nationalistic as he describes, I very much doubt that any of them are secret Muslims.

True. That's only a problem in the US.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 30, 2015 1:26 PM  

You make good points about the muslims being military rabble, but I would like to see a critique of this from someone who was in Iraq and from a position to see how much coordinated havoc they could create if they tried.

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 1:26 PM  

I think the general perception is that Europeans are a bunch of left wing pussies whereas Americans are right wing gun nuts.

I think you can take that perception seriously around the time some American kills 4,774 Young Democrats, which would be the proportional equivalent of Breivik's action. The fact is that very few Americans know even a single damn thing about Europe. I certainly didn't know much before I moved here.

Anonymous Big Bill November 30, 2015 1:26 PM  

As I mentioned above, just the other day in northern Italy eight hundred combat-style pistol-grip shotguns were discovered in a truck on their way from Turkey to Belgium. Do the math.

So who was buying the shotguns? Europeans? Or Muslims?

I keep waiting for assaults on the crowds of bottom waggling Muslims who block public streets all across Europe every day for prayers.

Nothing violent, of course. Think volleys of water balloons filled with water + a little red food coloring.

The social media space would have to be prepared first. A few Tweets talking about disrupting Muslim street prayers with water balloons containing some pig blood.

Then fling a few balloons from an open window or rooftop at the thousands of bottoms pointing to heaven in the streets below.

Heck, even if you didn't use food coloring at all it would be highly effective. If Muslims only THINK it MIGHT contain pig offal it would be enough.

Take back the streets and public places that Muslims have taken over. Muslims are deliberately blocking streets all over Europe to show Muslim Supremacy. Water balloons are to Muslims as Holy Water is to Vampires.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 30, 2015 1:34 PM  

So: USA and EU win their ethnic purges, going ultra nationalist Keynesian in the process.

Then it's the Dollar Bubble vs. the RenminRuble. China and Russia play for time and counterpunch. The USA EU and Japan get desperate. Mistakes are made and nukes fly. The end.

Alternative version: USA exhausts itself in a Red vs Blue Spanish Civil War 2.0, with 10 million plus dead, this exhausting the state of its potential to double down on Keynesianism and dollar empire. Russia, China and maybe the EU contest to dominate the century. The US maybe splits, maybe permanently. Humanity survives.

Alternate version of scenario 1: Megiddo, not extinction.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 30, 2015 1:41 PM  

VD -

I know you think of me as being far too moderate and forgiving. But I'll say this here and now: if any of the above predictions come true, I'll have not one word of criticism for the reaction, no matter how ugly it gets. I'll say that they shouldn't have waited so long, but nothing more.

@21

That's pretty much what I kept hearing from veterans. The Taliban and Al-Quaida especially are bad marksmen, and they don't train their guys to fight other soldiers, and ISIS isn't really much better in that regard.

I've been told that this is because heavy infantry combat goes against the entire military history and philosophy of Islam. Skirmishing and raiding have always been their preferred methods of operation, so they concentrate on striking at soft targets, where poor marksmanship and "spray and pray" work well enough to cause some damage. Again, I don't know this for certain myself, but it does fit with my understanding of how our combat operations in the Middle East have gone.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 30, 2015 1:41 PM  

How do you double down on keynesianism?

With the cashless digital coupon that begins expiring from date of issue. AKA the Mark of the Beast. Coming to a central bank near you.

Blogger kurt9 November 30, 2015 1:41 PM  

There are several reason why the European ruling class might collaborate with Islam. First, they are decadent in that they do not believe in anything at all, not even secular liberalism. Hence, they will not fight for anything. Secondly, I think a lot of them are sexually twisted. The pedophile scandals in the U.K. and the idea that "kiddie-fiddling", as it was called in the U.K. was socially acceptable in both U.K. and French upper classes in the 1970's suggests that this is true. Pedophile investigations involving the American FBI and Interpol always round out lots and lots of European perps. It is not unbelievable to me that some of these people might consider conversion to Islam an acceptable deal in order to have access to young boys and girls (mostly infidel) for sexual pleasure.

Anyone who has read "Mein kampf" will have noted that Hitler actually does not talk about the Jews much in it. But Hitler talked a lot about the Wiemar politicians and how it was absolutely necessary that they all be killed in order to restore German society.

Blogger JWM November 30, 2015 1:45 PM  

"If anything, I think the problem is that as highly secular societies, they find it difficult to take a threat that involves a religious motivation seriously."

I've said this many times. Most westerners are too sophisticated to believe in anything like an apocalyptic holy war for the soul and future of the human race. The moslems are very busy fighting that war as we sit here.

JWM (VFM#404)

Blogger JDC November 30, 2015 1:46 PM  

He he...

Europe - 30 firearms / 100 pop
USA - 88 firearms / 100 pop
Nate - 100 firearms / 1 pop

Blogger Markku November 30, 2015 1:47 PM  

About not knowing about Europe: An American in my Clash of Clans clan said he was an exchange student in a university at "my neck of the woods" as he put it. However, none of what he said seemed to make any sense to me.

Finally I found that the university was in Italy...

Blogger skiballa November 30, 2015 1:50 PM  

@25 & @21

Yes WKL, that's a pretty good summary. As far as my credentials, I spent a bit over 3 years of my life in Iraq, and devoured any info that came along on tactics I might encounter.
They hit what they can and disperse, or set up remotely detonated IEDs and disperse, they generally use the latter against harder targets. Oh, I almost forgot, the lob a mortar or two and disperse method, though they also rigged them to fire remotely on occasion.

Point being, they are the very definition of light infantry hit and run tactics, and light infantry is also the best method to hunt them down.

The main problem of course, is not the hit and run variety of tactics, it's those that target an objective knowing they will not leave alive, it makes for a bit of unpredictability.

Blogger Curtis November 30, 2015 1:51 PM  

Meanwhile:

Turkey has begun a defacto blockade of Russian naval vessels, preventing transit through the Dardanelles and the Strait of Bosporus, between the Black Sea and Mediterranean.

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/587

I have no independent confirmation of this. But it is interesting that I was talking about this a couple of days ago elsewhere.

https://youtu.be/THUBOVREsTs

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 30, 2015 1:52 PM  

"causing NATO and the West to turn their attention inward toward their own survival"

"Survival?" LOL. If we're lucky we'll even end up with a new, literate Pope out of that.

Just read that passage again. Wireless communication, encryption, rifles, shotguns, explosives. Ain't none of that moslem. Savages playing with fire against the people who invented that stuff.

It's like your wife's nasty cat from college. You tolerate it to keep her happy. Until the day it attacks you. At that point her opinion is irrelevant - a very terminal line was crossed and the problem must finally be dealt with. The women and children need to just shut up and stay out of the way until the business is done because that is a VERY dangerous time to meddle.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 30, 2015 1:55 PM  

Seems Vox Day's not the only one who can construct a Xanatos Gambit. RAHOWA is a great distraction. Unless the USA has another Civil War in her - one destructive enough to wreck the Fed instead of strengthening it - the Devil's got this one pretty well wrapped up.

Annuit coeptus; Novus ordo seclorum. We've been outplayed every step of the way.

Anonymous Big Bill November 30, 2015 1:59 PM  

Ok. Another idea. More 4GW against Muslims. Create a website called the "Squirtgun Manifesto". Declare a squirtgun war against Islam. Suggest that squirtguns be filled with water and a little pig blood. Spread the word in the Muslim community. Let people post videos of squirt attacks on Muslims in the street. It is 4GW warfare since no coordination is necessary. Individuals and small groups can buy squirt guns anywhere and sow chaos.

What with the spread of social media, any time a Muslim got his clothes moistened with water or felt wetness on his face out on the street he would have that sinking fear that he had been deliberately ritually contaminated.

Remember the causes of the Sepoy Rebellion: cartridges coated with pig and cow fat. For pagans like Hindus and Muslims, greased cartridges were enough to trigger mass slaughter of white folks.

Anonymous Yvjrolu November 30, 2015 2:00 PM  

Western Europeans may be plenty ruthless, but they are not very clannish. Don't you think that could be a disadvantage in a 4GW situation, especially with a hostile state?

Blogger Curtis November 30, 2015 2:00 PM  

I wouldn't worry to much about it. When the globalists are done, and the dust settles, most earthlings will get on their knees and beg for "The Man of Peace."

Nationalism over and out.

Blogger James Dixon November 30, 2015 2:01 PM  

> Finally I found that the university was in Italy...

Markku, at least a significant minority of Americans don't know that West Virginia and Virginia are separate states. You expect them to get any geographic details of Europe right?

Blogger Unknown November 30, 2015 2:02 PM  

Right wing death frogs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZIqpI6EbQ

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 30, 2015 2:03 PM  

@33

I don't know if you've read Kratman's books, but one of the points he makes in his novel is that it is very dangerous to introduce advanced communications technology, for example, to a population that hasn't culturally advanced enough to have developed it for themselves. Because if you do, all you've done is give a major boost to slave traders: now they can keep track of what the market looks like for various kinds of slaves (little boys, European girls, etc.) and set up rapid information networks to track the authorities trying to stop them.

You boost normal people trying to get ahead too (farmers, merchants and the like), but the damage it does is, at best, not much short of making the cure worse than the disease.

I'm told that of the 30 million or so people in Saudi Arabia, about 25 million of them do not work. They live off of government handouts. Of the 5 million who do work, nearly 3 million work for the government. Most of their private-sector employees are actually foreigners. It explains a lot, really.

Blogger Markku November 30, 2015 2:04 PM  

These particular details I would. It's like treating Alaska and Texas as interchangeable.

Blogger James Dixon November 30, 2015 2:06 PM  

> These particular details I would. It's like treating Alaska and Texas as interchangeable.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them do that too.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 30, 2015 2:06 PM  

@35

Better still: don't actually do it. Stage a few videos and publish those, but don't actually do it to anyone. You'll get the panic and the frantic media calls for retribution, and you'll get lots of copycats, but you yourself won't be confessing, on video, to assault.

Anonymous Ryan November 30, 2015 2:13 PM  

When we see statues of Breivik in the public squares, see women's suffrage rescinded, and see Merkel getting the Mussolini treatment, then...we'll be ready to party.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 30, 2015 2:18 PM  

Your last sentence nails the problem exactly.

Blogger Danby November 30, 2015 2:26 PM  

Honestly, the question is not whether they will shell the banlieux, it's whether they will let the women and children leave before the shelling starts.
In the scenario described, the Muslims would not only be routed quickly, Europe would be Moslem-free to the Bosporus within a year.
Yes, Tommy, when it's killing time, the Turks will be a target too. You'd best hope they stop at the Bosporus.

Can someone please explain how falling on your own sword in the face of an invading civilization is different than surrendering?
It's more cowardly?

Blogger Student in Blue November 30, 2015 2:29 PM  

@TheRedSkull
the Devil's got this one pretty well wrapped up.

The Devil is wilier than us and has us outsmarted at every turn, but God has already beaten him at the end of days.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 30, 2015 2:35 PM  

But I'll say this here and now: if any of the above predictions come true, I'll have not one word of criticism for the reaction, no matter how ugly it gets.

Gee, thanks, Mom.

Blogger Antonio From Spain November 30, 2015 2:40 PM  

VD. "If anything, I think the problem is that as highly secular societies, they find it difficult to take a threat that involves a religious motivation seriously."

I'd add two problems, both having to do with memory, as in the popular perception of history:

1) The memory of two consecutive world wars fought on the continent, which have left an apparently deep conviction that war must be avoided at all costs. This has been a crucial difference between Europe and the US. But younger generations might be more immune to this than generally assumed.

2) In the usual ternary division of Europe: Western Mediterranean, Eastern, and Center-North (Romance, Slavic, Germanic). The one third calling the shots nowadays is the one whose identity has been less linked to the fight against Islam.

Blogger clk November 30, 2015 2:41 PM  

Very interesting article ... I am going to have to visit that site more .. I dont agree with everything but they certainly have tried to lay it all out clearly...I think one of the part of this that haven't been clearly explained here is what is the motivation in ISIS in coming to Europe/Usa in the first place? ... is it to drive the West out of the middle east by cause pain "behind the lines" or do they really believe that they can take Europe and the USA and hold it, converting those that will convert and killing those that will not ?

Why do these people do what they do ? ... I think you need to understand that past "because their evil doers and they hate freedom" before you have any hope here...






Blogger chris November 30, 2015 2:41 PM  

I have reblogged this with the appropriate Kipple. And I assume that you all have read Ringo on this. Yes, I know he's more of a cuckservative and pagan than one would like. But he predicted option zero.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 30, 2015 2:44 PM  

The good thing is they will attack leftist "strongholds" first.

the 5 million who do work, nearly 3 million work for the government. Most of their private-sector employees are actually foreigners

If not for oil no moslem nation would have running water.

Tet fighters didn't celebrate their defeats by wasting ammunition in the air at weddings.

Given the Copenhagen attack on a cartoonists party had moslems firing over 200 rounds, only killing 1 (not the cartoonist) how do we know they were not attacking the wedding with poor marksmanship?

anti-nationalistic as he describes, I very much doubt that any of them are secret Muslims.

Secret moslem is like a rich socialist. Anderson Cooper would convert in a heartbeat after being told he could keep his money but could only have sex with males to young to have body hair AKA backa-bazi. Especially if they provided him with infidel boy slaves.

I think the general perception is that Europeans are a bunch of left wing pussies whereas Americans are right wing gun nuts.

Much like TV shows you tons of black rocket surgeons, when even someone that earn money for saying words, ICE T ,took 5+ times as long to voice narrate a short story than expected. Scheduled for an afternoon, had to add 2 extra days.

I think you can take that perception seriously around the time some American kills 4,774 Young Democrats,

Chicago is trying her best but is barely breaking 400 so far this year.

Leo- if any of the above predictions come true, I'll have not one word of criticism for the reaction

Bloody hell if these come to pass, not only would I be willing to have some medication errors with moslem patients, I might use some cheap mill surplus ammo on moslems outside my property line.

Blogger Student in Blue November 30, 2015 2:45 PM  

I think one of the part of this that haven't been clearly explained here is what is the motivation in ISIS in coming to Europe/Usa in the first place?

ISIS in particular, I think they say it quite clearly that they wish to convert or kill.

Most of the muzzies are coming in because they want free shit, and I'm pretty sure someone told them that there's a lot of free stuff for the taking, if they just come over here and take it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 30, 2015 2:56 PM  

@52

My assumption is that these will be occurring in Europe. I might be forced to participate myself if any of them happen here as predicted above. I've already decided that I'm unlikely to ever go anywhere unarmed again, so it won't be that much of a stretch.

Blogger the bandit November 30, 2015 3:01 PM  

Hey, Vox, if you'll indulge my ignorant curiosity, are Renzi's statements referenced here more along the lines of a Hollande/Merkel speaking empty platitudes about cultural diversity, or a nod to a growing nationalism in the constituency? The spending money equal money on cultural "integration" struck me as the former, but the contrasted statements seemed the latter. It looks to me like he's trying to play both sides, but I don't have any context outside of these news articles. The liberal journalists in America seem all excited about it, but they could be too stupid to see anything but 1 billion in government spending on the artsy diversity.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 30, 2015 3:01 PM  

Shoot people, America is far more cucked than Europe is and we've had armed anti Islam protests in Texas and as noted by our host, actually attacks on Muslims.

Europeans themselves only seem nicer, they really aren't and more importantly unlike Americans of whom a measurable number of them soil themselves at the idea of "collective" anything, Euros have no issue acting in groups and like Poland say dropping 170,000 protesters on the ground

Arms are easy to get once there is demand, there will be supply. plenty of military surplus , Uncle Vlad's hand me downs, stuff buried for Der Tag , leakage from places with weak gun laws or weak rule of law home made weapons of high quality or just weapons from dead enemies,

Right now, the law is being mostly obeyed but that is subject to a moments change. And note too Austria sold out of shotguns recently . Apparently they are not especially heavily regulated and as it happens they are quite useful for self defense.

I don't think everyone has suddenly taking up skeet shooting and small game hunting either.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 30, 2015 3:04 PM  

@56

From what I understand, you don't need a firearms permit to buy a shotgun in Austria. Hence the sell-out.

Blogger dlw November 30, 2015 3:11 PM  

@36: Western Europeans may be plenty ruthless, but they are not very clannish.
--
Sure they are. But their clans tend to be "Manchester United" or "Formula 1" instead of "Italy" or "Yorkshire."

Blogger slarrow November 30, 2015 3:12 PM  

> Finally I found that the university was in Italy...

This reminds me of an observation about the difference in mindsets between Europeans and Americans: in Europe, a hundred miles is a long distance. In America, a hundred years is a long time.

Blogger John Wright November 30, 2015 3:15 PM  

@50 "Why do these people do what they do ?"

Please forgive me, but it is entirely impossible that you do not know the answer to this question, since the perpetrators scream it at the top of their lungs before, after, and during every atrocity and enormity they commit.

Allahu Ackbar. For the greater glory of God. Their motivation is crystal clear, undisguised, and endlessly repeated. Jihad is one of the five pillars of Islam: it is motivated by their god, and allows them to commit rape as an act of divine retribution against unbelievers.

Their every worse vice and secret desire is encouraged, flattered, allowed, and commanded by the heresy of Mahound.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 30, 2015 3:16 PM  

@ Vox. I'm taking your word for this because I have no contacts in France at all. I never had a chance to develop them.

The thing that bothers me here is that it conflicts pretty sharply with what Gavin McInnes is saying over at Takimag in his article; Give Hate a Chance

Now admittedly the man willingly lives in NYC so I have some doubts about his sanity.

But he does seem to have friends on the ground in Paris. And according to him they are all treating this terrorist attack like it's just a plane crash.

Frankly I want him to be wrong here. I'd hate to think the French are that far gone but honestly I have no way knowing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 30, 2015 3:16 PM  

Want your doom porn well Zerohedge was running a story about the lovely Islamic Republic of Sweden today, even mentioned guns for you bitter clingers.

Anonymous Roundtine November 30, 2015 3:18 PM  

The ultimate advantage is that if a Frenchman says "kick out all non-Frenchmen" people at least know what he means.

Anonymous TheVillageIdiot(Ret.) November 30, 2015 3:20 PM  

If anything, I think the problem is that as highly secular societies, they find it difficult to take a threat that involves a religious motivation seriously.
you don't bring a knife to gun fight
you don't go to a religious war without bringing a religion
DannyR

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 30, 2015 3:29 PM  

@60

John Wright is correct.

If you are asking why now. That one is slightly more complicated.

Last year the Caliphate was expanding. Muslims who had been taught all their lives that every day that Islam exists without a Caliphate is an Islam that exists in sin, were ecstatic. ISIS was getting about 5,000 recruits a day.

But only and this is the big thing here. While the Caliphate was expanding.

When it's territory stopped doing so Al Bhagdadi began to have a crisis of legitimacy. The Caliph must expand his domains to remain legitimate. ISIS is now down to about fifty new recruits a day.

The terrorist attacks are the only way he has available to expand.

Still don't take Cataline's word for it. Let the the Caliphate tell you in it's own words. This is the english language version of Dabiq Magazine Their official and surprisingly well produced propaganda magazine.

Blogger Curtis November 30, 2015 3:32 PM  

John Kerry Admits They're Making "Order Out of Chaos" for "World Order"

https://youtu.be/xbz7SyyXbGM

Got to break a few eggs.

And regarding the link to the possible blockade of Russian ships coming out of the Black Sea. Anyone still believe Ukraine was anything other than the attempt to kick out Russia's Black Sea Fleet from Crimea?

The globalists US/NATO is way ahead of everyone. And make no mistake, US/NATO is the spear of the globalists.

There will be war. And CIA-ISIS Flavor Of The Day will be the least of your problems. Other than a global distraction. It's a shell game.

Anonymous Leonidas November 30, 2015 3:38 PM  

@23 Water balloons are to Muslims as Holy Water is to Vampires.

Is this because of the aforementioned pig's blood hoax, or is there something about water balloons in relation to Islam that I've completely missed?

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni November 30, 2015 3:42 PM  

Reminds me of my first visit to Cairo. The place was a vast warren of ruined buildings. Still is, I'm sure. That's what the jihadists count on - having a casbah to retreat to, like Pepe le Moko in "Algiers". The Russians made this mistake in Chechnya. They destroyed Groznyy several times, but left it in ruins, where the rats could hide. The Palestinian "homeland" is the same - ruined buildings. And the banlieues in Paris and Brussels are no doubt getting there. A vast ruin filled with booby-traps and ambushes can never be conquered.

But it can be destroyed. the Muslims have no idea how little will be left when the West, even without nuclear weapons, decides to destroy the cities of Araby down to the ground. Smooth, empty firing fields of reinforced concrete stretch out to the horizons. The Romans did it to Carthage, one of the great cities of yesteryear. We can do it now much more efficiently.

Islam delenda est.

Blogger S1AL November 30, 2015 3:45 PM  

@Markku - In all fairness, Europeans believe that the United States consists of New York, Texas, California, and emptiness. And they also believe that New York encompasses all of New England.

Anonymous WillBest November 30, 2015 3:46 PM  

The ultimate advantage is that if a Frenchman says "kick out all non-Frenchmen" people at least know what he means.

Made a mess of this we did. Makes it more messy to solve.

Blogger Shevi S November 30, 2015 3:46 PM  

They Islamists don't need to do amjor offesive to do a lot of damage, They could literally do a death of a thousand cuts thing by having all their people walak into crowds and knife people.

And I think that the problem with the goverments letting them in is due to the fact that liberals and SJW's are just bad people. and want to see suffering and unhappiness spread as far as possible, You also have alot of young stupid people going alng wih twhat the liberals say.

Blogger Shevi S November 30, 2015 3:51 PM  

68 MM:

I learned that Arabslike to build connecting to each other with no streets or alleys between. This makes it easy for them to run from house to house and hard to pursue.

Blogger Markku November 30, 2015 3:52 PM  

Please forgive me, but it is entirely impossible that you do not know the answer to this question, since the perpetrators scream it at the top of their lungs before, after, and during every atrocity and enormity they commit.

Moreso, it is entirely impossible because the way clk continued his paragraph after the ellipsis makes it obvious that it was not an actual question, but description of the problem.

Blogger Lovekraft November 30, 2015 4:11 PM  

Muslim men are directed to go out and breed outside their enclaves because of polygamy, in which one alpha gets to breed.

Muslim men are also inculcated from childhood with a expanded sense of moral superiority and divine guidance.

Muslim men also come from a horrible region of violence, hatred and backstabbing.

European men have carried the mantle of Christ throughout numerous political empires.

European men have deep sense of honour and tradition despite the world trying to suppress it.

European men also have beautiful women to inspire them.

My bet is on the Western man. First he must find a way to steer clear of the major battles. Let the leftist marxists and jihadists fight it out first.

Blogger Danby November 30, 2015 4:20 PM  

@71 Shevi S
They Islamists don't need to do amjor offesive to do a lot of damage, They could literally do a death of a thousand cuts thing by having all their people walak into crowds and knife people.

That would be awesome in Paris or Rome or Milan. Totally awesome. Do you actually know any French or Italians? The French consider stabbing more of a hobby than a crime, and the Italians are legendary for their love of knives. Someone who did that would wind up looking like a kitchen knife block.

Blogger Student in Blue November 30, 2015 4:23 PM  

@Markku

Looks like I missed that as well as Mr. Wright. Oops.

Blogger Mint November 30, 2015 4:31 PM  

I read something that echos what Vox says about Europeans. In my devotion guide some days ago, it tells a story about The mighty Finns.

A story of Finns in World War II: It began as a distant, foreboding hum, then grew into an omnious, earth-rattling din. Soon hundreds of tanks and thousands of enemy infantrymen swarmed into view of the badly outnumbered soldiers in Finland. Assesing the murderous wave, an anonymous Finn lent some perspective. Courageously, he wondered aloud about the enemy: "Where will we find room to bury them all?"
-Tim Gustafson

Cheers to ilk own Mighty Finn; Markku.

Blogger Calvin November 30, 2015 4:55 PM  

Serious question, from whom do you expect the resistance to arise? There aren't that many native youth in Europe these days. And those that do exist are, at least in my travel and foreign exchange experience, even more pozzed than their American counterparts. And that is truly saying something.

You haven't seen pozzed until a nose-pierced French... thing (I couldn't tell) lectures you on the dangers of Catholic homophobia.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 30, 2015 5:05 PM  

@47

Oh I think the Bible Belt stands a pretty good chance of stopping the Mark of the Beast. I'm looking forward to it. Finally a scrap. But a victory for us will break American power.

Then the focus shifts. The EU will have to reunite into a true 4th Reich to compete against resurgent Russia and rampant China. Europe's conquerer is a good bet for Anti-Christ and the Mark. They're post-Christian, so resistance will be far less.

China's acceptance of the Mark is inevitable. Just a matter of time until they get there.

Central banking Keynesianism is too compelling a method of social control. Less immediately debilitating than Communism, but still offering the sexy fruits of central control. Kings will never stop debasing coinage.

So now that the social and computer technology has arrived, it's just a game of whack-a-mole. But we don't have to lose in our lifetime.

Anonymous ENthePeasant November 30, 2015 5:31 PM  

A lot of this will depend on demographics. One child families (and no, you're little #*@$ing dog doesn't count as a child) are not likely to fight, they'll look for an escape until they're economically destroyed. Then they might fight, but who will care then? The disaster will have struck. Islam will keep coming and there's a high degree of stupid in Europe, not worse than America, but not better either. We're better off in America because Hispanics are Christians at least and tend to be hard working, which Muslims are not (women's work). Even the moderates tend to be looters, if only looting the state's treasury. I hope you're correct, but no one can see ever chaotic future we're creating in the West. And after two World Wars I'm doubting if there's enough testosterone left in Europe to fight another war. War devastates the genes of men unless you're winning... The US wins, Russia won, but I see no sign of Europe being what they were in the past. There's just a lot of history kept alive by an ever shrinking pool of natives.

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 6:15 PM  

There aren't that many native youth in Europe these days.

Oh, for crying out loud. You people really need to simply stop talking about Europe. There are more Germans in Germany now, even if you subtract all the immigrants, than there were in 1940.

And they thought they had enough to conquer the world.

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 6:18 PM  

We're better off in America because Hispanics are Christians at least and tend to be hard working, which Muslims are not (women's work).

Muslims in Europe = 5 percent. Hispanics in America = 30 percent. Muslims in America = 1 percent.

Anonymous 0007 November 30, 2015 6:23 PM  

FWIT, anyone who hasn't read Brakens' "Enemies" trilogy should. Consider when it was written and how it foretold a lot of what has been happening in the USA since it was written... not to mention being a pretty damn good read, heh, heh.

Blogger Paul Bonneau November 30, 2015 6:43 PM  

Vox has a better fix on reality than Bracken does.

Muslims are there at the rulers' behest to "divide and conquer" (probably needed to keep the lid on after the EU crashes). But if the Muslims get stupid enough and start perpetrating outrages, the rulers will rue the day they brought them in, because there will be no controlling the reaction.

Blogger Calvin November 30, 2015 6:48 PM  

Oh, for crying out loud. You people really need to simply stop talking about Europe. There are more Germans in Germany now, even if you subtract all the immigrants, than there were in 1940.

And they thought they had enough to conquer the world.


Germans, yes, but how many German children? Fat, childless volk in their 40's aren't much good in a fight. What I've read and seen points towards a relatively low number of extremely-pozzed, guilt-ridden youth not in great physical condition. Not exactly fighting material. What are your sources saying?

Blogger SciVo November 30, 2015 6:50 PM  

clk @50: I think one of the part of this that haven't been clearly explained here is what is the motivation in ISIS in coming to Europe/Usa in the first place? ... is it to drive the West out of the middle east by cause pain "behind the lines" or do they really believe that they can take Europe and the USA and hold it, converting those that will convert and killing those that will not ?

Either/or. That was the point of the Crusades, which Muslims remember more vividly than we do, albeit with completely delusional fantasies in which they were innocent victims. I would not be surprised if they could simultaneously recognize the strategic purpose behind the Crusades enough to mimic them, while still maintaining a fantasy in which the Europeans were the aggressors -- and then re-enact that fantasy, lying to themselves that they're just doing what the Crusaders did.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 30, 2015 6:51 PM  

One thing's for sure. Anyone who counts the white man out hasn't been paying attention. Cro Magnon's been the #1 one winner since he burst on the scene, and breeding with Neanderthals just gave him nifty toys like nukes.

For all that he's a ~100 IQ moron, everyone else has it worse.

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 7:22 PM  

What I've read and seen points towards a relatively low number of extremely-pozzed, guilt-ridden youth not in great physical condition. Not exactly fighting material. What are your sources saying?

I've actually been to Germany in the past year. I've seen thousands of young Germans who are a hell of a lot less fat than Americans. There are 11.5 million German children under 14. The population is 91.6 European, compared to 62.6 for non-Hispanic Whites in America.

Blogger stevo November 30, 2015 7:49 PM  

I like "sow chaos"

Anonymous TransMuppet November 30, 2015 7:54 PM  

Poland has one of the most developed networks of paramilitaries on the continent, and gun laws are liberal. There are 80,000 militia troops alone, and this number is rapidly growing. Consider this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbCkHxNxvc

They also recently removed the EU flag from national press-conferences and the ruling party wants to "go Hungarian" and redraft the national constitution along similar lines to that of Budapest.

The future of European civilization will obviously be in the Center of the continent.

Blogger clk November 30, 2015 8:02 PM  

@60, @65, @73 @86

Despite how soft the west has gotten (and its not as soft or civilized as we think) sending a few hundred/thousand terrorist outside of the middle east to will not result in the defeat of the West ....we are talking in populations of hundreds of millions so a few thousand dead civilians .. means nothing militarily. ISIS leaders don't strike me as stupid - . Its simply not possible to conquer the West using any generation of war you might thing of.... They have to know this ... there's no military victory to be found here ...so why do it ?

So you attack France --- outcomes are what ?

1. West in fear of illiterate terrorists convert to Islam ?
2. West throws up hands and disengages with middle east ?
3. West unifies and comes to middle east for massive ground war where occasionally ISIS gets to capture and kill some Western solders ?
4. West continues to drop bombs from planes too high, too fast for Toyota mounted anti aircraft weapons to reach resulting in basically an infinity kill ratio..
... (more choices )

The whole thing may be wrapped in religion but in the end, one thing I have learned is that there very few real "religious wars." .. its unlikely that this is all just about religion --- even if they do run around yelling god is great...




Anonymous Chief_Tuscaloosa November 30, 2015 8:14 PM  

@88 Vox, is that why you've selected Italy as a culture to protect your kids versus the U.S.? I ask because I have kids myself and would like to play the best odds for them.

Blogger SciVo November 30, 2015 8:19 PM  

Leonidas @67: Is this because of the aforementioned pig's blood hoax, or is there something about water balloons in relation to Islam that I've completely missed?

You missed the part where even if you don't have holy water, you can threaten vampires with water balloons if they can't tell the difference. Everyone knows that.

Blogger VD November 30, 2015 8:24 PM  

Vox, is that why you've selected Italy as a culture to protect your kids versus the U.S.?

I prefer my societies pre-collapsed.

Blogger SciVo November 30, 2015 8:33 PM  

Shevi S @71: They Islamists don't need to do amjor offesive to do a lot of damage, They could literally do a death of a thousand cuts thing by having all their people walak into crowds and knife people.

As a bachelor, I have a "live and let live" attitude toward spiders, since I assume that they will either die from starvation or eat bugs that I don't want around. But if I couldn't tell which ones were safe, then I would murder them all with extreme prejudice.

Blogger Danby November 30, 2015 8:34 PM  

@90 TransMuppet
Interesting video. It was funny to see the army types talking about how paramilitaries could provide logistical and intelligence support, while the paramilitaries themselves are practicing urban assault, delaying tactics, military strategy, and weapons use.
And private ownership of AK74s is apparently legal and acceptable in Poland. Poland ++ for the win.

You just gotta love the old former Partisan they have at the end, mouthing plattitudes about mutual trust. Whatta cuck.

So you attack France --- outcomes are what ?
Instant trip to heaven and 72 Houris for your personal raping pleasure?
More seriously, discourage the infidel, encourage the martyrs, inspire conversions to Allah, and get the Moslems in France to rise up and take control.

Blogger hightecrebel November 30, 2015 8:48 PM  

The primary issue Americans have understanding Europe is that we tend to assume the differences between Finland and Italy are like the differences between Maine and Florida, or Minnesota and Texas. There are differences between states, but nowhere near the level of difference as there is in Europe between countries that share borders, let alone on opposite sides of the continent.

We talk like our states are completely different (a Texan talking about California, or a Mississippi native bitching about damnyankees), when all told the overarching culture is mostly the same, outside a few cities of course.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco November 30, 2015 9:52 PM  

"I prefer my societies pre-collapsed."

No country based on the "Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen" was pre-collapsed enough for you?

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 30, 2015 10:11 PM  

towards a relatively low number of extremely-pozzed, guilt-ridden youth not in great physical condition. Not exactly fighting material.

I think leftists will keep doubling down on "MUH HOLOCOST" until German youth are willing to test the oven capacity. There have been stories for years of WWII vets that said if they knew how things would have turned out they would have put down their rifle and picked up a german phrasebook.

Blogger Calvin November 30, 2015 10:28 PM  

I've actually been to Germany in the past year. I've seen thousands of young Germans who are a hell of a lot less fat than Americans. There are 11.5 million German children under 14. The population is 91.6 European, compared to 62.6 for non-Hispanic Whites in America.

That's excellent news. The German youth have a hard task ahead of them if they wish to survive, so hearing all of that gives me hope for their future.

God be with the people of Germany, and the West. We'll need Him to be.

Blogger rho December 01, 2015 1:55 AM  

Historically, Europeans have been prone to extreme reaction. Meanwhile, over here in the soft, wishy-washy United States, Janet Jackson asks, "what have you done for me lately?"

After all, historically, Germany has had its ass handed to it in YouTubeable history. It's a Catholic alter boy in a pedophile bishop's diocese. What's the over/under on suicide?

Blogger Groot December 01, 2015 2:29 AM  

@22. VD:
"The fact is that very few Americans know even a single damn thing about Europe."

Eu-rope? We know about good rope.

Blogger rho December 01, 2015 3:21 AM  

Ashley is your source for good knots. Rope? That's easy.

Blogger Shimshon December 01, 2015 6:25 AM  

"No country based on the "Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen" was pre-collapsed enough for you?"

Perhaps Italians have a higher disregard for government than other nationalities? When the pre-collapse turns into actual collapse, I imagine many Italians would cheer. And do just fine, since they've been ignoring government as much as possible already.

Blogger S1AL December 01, 2015 6:53 AM  

I have to imagine that any nation that devolved from the Roman Empire to a motley collection of city-States and then "he made the trains run on time" has been in a general state of brokenness. And that's not even counting all the insanity involved in playing host to the Vatican.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 December 01, 2015 7:01 AM  

Sow Wars?

Blogger VD December 01, 2015 7:26 AM  

Perhaps Italians have a higher disregard for government than other nationalities?

Perhaps?

No country based on the "Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen" was pre-collapsed enough for you?

Nope. And after about a decade of hearing people belittle my warnings and tell me "if you think things are going to be so bad, why don't you just leave", I finally did.

Blogger justaguy December 01, 2015 7:48 AM  

Fantasy and wishful thinking-- Although the West had a great culture of ferocity in combat (see VDH), it has been lost by giving children to increasingly ion control school authority for several generations. What is the evidence that Europe, which hasn't bothered to even be able to defend itself in over 100 years, would actually have the will to rise and not continue to be European sheep? There will always be a small percentage who still remember, but they are not the leaders, and with the authoritarian EU, how can this small % wrest control from the disillusioned elite that run Western Europe. PErhaps there is a sense of reality in Eastern Europe, but I see not evidence of it.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 01, 2015 9:02 AM  

@98: No country based on the "Common Law and the Rights of Englishmen" was pre-collapsed enough for you?

Of course not! The formerly English lands still have plenty of seed corn to eat up, left over from when the Free System of English Laws were actually applied.

(Wait, what do you mean it won't last forever? Do you seriously expect us to bury some of this yummy stuff for our kids to eat next year when we could just eat it all now?)

Blogger Geir Balderson December 01, 2015 3:18 PM  

This time the Europeans can handle their own crises. After all. they are the ones with the poor, awful judgement. And, they have a strong man, Putin, ready to take care of the desparados. He dislikes the muslims more than anyone.

America has its own refugee problem to deal with. I still say snipers ever half mile along the southron border. Drones as recon.

Anonymous whatwedontknow December 01, 2015 8:54 PM  

At this point the above scenario is the least bad thing that could happen. But I don't really expect it. To me nothing is more inscrutable and perplexing than Mainstream thought.

Anonymous Anonymous December 02, 2015 10:51 AM  

Markku, a third of Americans are brutally ignorant and proud of it. A third are extremely intelligent and want nothing more than to learn. The remaining third are too busy surviving to think much.

Blogger Balázs Varga December 07, 2015 4:37 PM  

Hungary will try and stem the tide, as we did for centuries.

Pray to Cthulhu it will be enough!

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