Sunday, November 22, 2015

Magic Dirt vs Tragic Dirt

Magic Dirt: Political geography possessed of culturally transformative qualities capable of turning the most primitive barbarians of any ethnicity or religion into productive, law-abiding First World citizens whose beliefs, values, traditions, customs, and behavior are indistinguishable from 1950s-era whites of European descent within a single generation.

Tragic Dirt: Political geography possessed by the evil curses of ancient demons that condemn the inhabitants to cultural, moral, civil, and technological backwardness through no fault of their own or their native cultures, traditions, religions, behaviors, philosophies, or DNA. (NB: coined by Steve Sailer.)


Blogger cavalier973 November 22, 2015 3:47 PM  

Emigrants from the Island of Great Britain seem to have a knack for finding Magic Dirt locales.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 22, 2015 3:51 PM  

Well not just GB, most of Europe and Sinese/Brahmin Asia as well.

Anonymous The OASF November 22, 2015 3:55 PM  

Hey, the magic dirt turned all those Mexicans into Steelers fans so it's not a complete epic fail.

Anonymous RJ November 22, 2015 4:00 PM  

Also known as the "curse of Canaan" from Genesis 9:25.

Blogger Patrick November 22, 2015 4:12 PM  

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Blogger Steve November 22, 2015 4:18 PM  

Emigrants from the Island of Great Britain seem to have a knack for finding Magic Dirt locales.

Blogger Phillip George November 22, 2015 4:47 PM  

Great Britain did fine while God was on their side. That simple. Magic dirt is just new paganism, sacred groves, enchanted forests, the mythology of secularists in shiny white fig leaves.

Emperialim works, has worked, still works, never stopped, isn't wrong, is coming again, can't be stopped,

The only question is whose Empire? IMF World Bank, BIS, Masonic, Bildeberger, Hezbollah;

to wit, Hezbollah is just emperialism writ small and exceedingly stupid. How can a empire that can't decide if singing is good or bad be treated in any way other than histories biggest group of idiots?

Blogger ray November 22, 2015 4:50 PM  

"Political geography possessed by the evil curses of ancient demons that condemn the inhabitants to cultural, moral, civil, and technological backwardness through no fault of their own or their native cultures, traditions, religions, behaviors, philosophies, or DNA. (NB: coined by Steve Sailer.)"

As Scripture recounts, after the Flood the territories (or, roughly, nations) were divided according to the 'sons of God' i.e., spiritual entities. This is basic knowledge for Christians. Not so much for political junkies.

These entities influence (not condemn) their assigned nations, but all individuals retain responsibility for their own actions. There's no such things as 'no fault of their own'.

Arrogant people blather about things they don't understand, in an effort to raise their socio-economic capital by lowering the credibility of others. Very petty. Those who don't have what it takes to confront the truth, should learn humility and silence.

Blogger Nate November 22, 2015 4:52 PM  


Tragic dirt sounds a bit like actual christian theology.

Blogger Steve November 22, 2015 4:55 PM  

Tragic dirt sounds a bit like actual christian theology.

Or a 90's grunge band.

Anonymous kfg November 22, 2015 4:57 PM  


And then they found Afghanistan.

Blogger The Other Robot November 22, 2015 5:01 PM  

Ahh, but the US must consist of both magic dirt and tragic dirt, since the outcomes for the Native Americans (even before arrival of whites) was so different that that of Whites.

Hmmm, the same goes for Australia and New Zealand.

It must be that dirt is racist!

Anonymous Anonymous November 22, 2015 5:03 PM  

Off topic, but excellent, top notch post at Chateau Heartiste today about the value of hate (in response to a Frenchman's claiming moral victory at refusing to hate his wife's Mohammedan murderers). Please read Hate as Natural as Love.

Also found an excellent response, in the comments to that post, about those claiming the moral high ground (by Greg Elliot):

"I never really grok’ked this shame at admitting hurt or “dragged down to their level” stuff.

God Himself was hurt and sorely vexed by the filth and degradation evinced in Sodom and Gomorrah… (not to mention that little rainstorm thing)

… and so, because He is the God of Justice as well as Love, He eradicated the entire cities with extreme prejudice.

(no true Love if you don’t show Justice to those who hurt that which you love, amirite?)

Wha choo gonna do… call God “butthurt” or boast in grim satisfaction that the queers of S & G “took Him down to their level”?

Blogger bub November 22, 2015 5:18 PM  

Tragic dirt ... see Haiti

Anonymous kfg November 22, 2015 5:21 PM  


If they truly believed what they claim to, they would be working as hard as they can to dissolve the police forces. Instead what they are trying to do is turn the police forces into their own, personal army.

Out, damned spot! out, I say! ... What! will these hands ne’er be clean?

No, no they won't. They can't be. Force is what makes things happen.

Blogger Groot November 22, 2015 5:23 PM  

Hemorrhagic Dirt: Paris.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible November 22, 2015 5:25 PM  

IMHO, it has more to do with dilution.
If the immigrants are spread out and forced to integrate, you get the "magic dirt" effect.
If the immigrants bunch up and are encouraged to double down on their culture, you get the "tragic dirt" effect.
The Frogs stuffed their Moslems in ghettoes where their culture was reinforced and it festered. Then they took in more 'refugee' Moslems and now they have the current issues.

Blogger Thucydides November 22, 2015 5:33 PM  


There is still a divide between magic and tragic dirt in the USA: look at how different conditions are between so called "Blue" cities and States and the so called "Red" ones.

Red is obviously a magic colour......

Blogger StrongCoffee61 November 22, 2015 5:34 PM  

As a recent arrival on planet Earth, I've learned through television that Africans in America strive to be first world quality citizens, yet they're having an extraordinarily difficult time accumulating wealth and staying out of trouble with the law.

It's clearly not the fault of Whites who are overwhelmingly responsible for creating the great wealth and are the biggest racial patsies on Earth. In fact, the Whites are like a gagged piñata.

There may be a supernatural explanation.
Here's some demons and curses that I believe could be responsible.

Guns. A metallic demon that hypnotizes blacks to commit violent crime.

Ghetto Pottamus. An African water demon that transforms little black girls into obese giant jawed malevolent monstrosities.

Mr. Potato Head. Responsible for making blacks bottom heavy headed resulting in large jaws and small brains.

The Great Pumpkin. The orange goblin causing black obesity.

Jim Crow. A redneck honky monster that terrorizes black voters.

Alarm clocks. A shrieking demon that interrupts negro sleep causing blacks to go back to sleep to make up for their interrupted sleep. This demon causes much unemployment.

Books. Rectangular black brain torturers causing blacks to knuckle their foreheads in agony.

Structural and systemic racism. Twin nebulous demons creating racial paranoia.

Slavery. The evil curse that freezes black minds and hearts.

Strangely, the evil magic Sub-Saharan African dirt that infected blacks and keeps them perpetually vulnerable to demons and curses is powerless on Whites.

Blogger Thucydides November 22, 2015 5:37 PM  


Oddly the same dirt does not have an effect on recent African immigrants to the United States either; if they come off the boat from Africa or the Carribean islands they also seem immune to this effect.

Anonymous Anonymous November 22, 2015 5:59 PM  

So Anthropogenic Climate Change is causing a modern "dust bowl" so the Tragic Dirt is scattering and spreading across the entire world?
Explaining South Africa and Zimbabwe.
On this feast of "Christ the King", there is no magic "dirt", but it has been said that the body and precious blood could accomplish that which is alleged of the "Magic Dirt", but that it is because he said "This is my body" and "This is my blood".

Blogger Phillip George November 22, 2015 5:59 PM  

I'll throw this in again, Nothing's been killing you like the separation of Church and State Meme.

It's forgotten History now but one reason Britain has convulsed over the EU full participation is that the British Monarch/ not "Crown corporation", has sworn to defend the protestant reformed religion. Great Britain is based on Martin Luther. Ironies like that can't be spoken out loud. Fiction writers couldn't make this stuff up.

The British Flag is three stylized Christian Crosses melded.

Britain ceased being Great the moment if forgot Jesus. It is that simple. You can almost point to a single calendar date.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible November 22, 2015 6:18 PM  

@22 Phillip George
I don't think that British Protestantism has much in common with Luther.
Intially it was Catholicism with the British Monarch (Henry VIII to be specific...) as head of the Anglican Church instead of the Pope. It has been reformed in a lot of different ways since then, but I don't think it ever had much to do with Luther (well, there were the Lollards...). Maybe Wycliffe and Knox had a bit to do with them?

Blogger The Other Robot November 22, 2015 6:26 PM  

Henry VIII and Martin Luther are pretty easy to confuse, I am sure.

Of course, there are people who confuse Martin Luther King with a saint.

Anonymous Ain November 22, 2015 6:44 PM  

"Or a 90's grunge band."

Too emo

Blogger Positive Dennis November 22, 2015 6:48 PM  

We struggle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers ... I have always wondered exactly Paul meant by this in Eph. The concept of Lewis and D'Engle that our sun is a fallen angel seems a stretch, but there do seem to be entities assigned to various peoples or locales. This would include the U.S.

Blogger Phillip George November 22, 2015 7:08 PM  

Henry followed Luther like a fashion statement. Hmmmm, I'll try a bit of this! The reformation had a good 'grass roots' following in Britain. Henry, the politician, took a political punt on it.
Henry stormed the Bastille in his own way. But he had a crowd behind him. The irony is that he promptly wanted a lot of Papal baggage.
The connections though are enormous in scope.

Blogger SciVo November 22, 2015 7:47 PM  

@ Positive Dennis:

I think it means culture. Dictates and influences. And half of personality is genetic, the other half circumstantial, so both peoples and places have patterns.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 22, 2015 8:01 PM  

17 If the immigrants are spread out and forced to integrate, you get the "magic dirt" effect.

You get the 300+ whites with unbearable taxes bringing up each 3rd worlder to a 1st world existence if the bill is paid instead of being debt for grandchildren. In the comments of one of the new Syrian refugee stories a commenter said moslems moved into a $600,000 free house near him, while other comments said there are more homeless vets in the same area than moslems being moved in.

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible November 22, 2015 8:32 PM  

You are right. In addition to diluteing their culture, and forcing them to integrate, they need to be forced to work, too.

Blogger Positive Dennis November 22, 2015 8:55 PM  

Based on the context of where the term is used, especially rom 8, this seems unlikely. Of course the two ideas are not mutually exclusive.

Anonymous Greg November 22, 2015 9:15 PM  

"Tragic Dirt" essentially being the thesis of Jared Diamond in "Guns, Germs, and Steel".

Blogger Gapeseed November 22, 2015 9:19 PM  

Integration with the land seems to require time plus labor conducive to the territory settled. Current American immigration policy for refugees discourages work. Any magic in the land is thus purposely dissipated, and thus, American refugee policy discourages integration.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 22, 2015 10:25 PM  

No, Sodom and Gomorrah were the major Opium and Absinthe capitals of their day. Remember Christ on the Cross refusing the vinegar waters until after his taking of all sin was done?

Extrapolate that to millions of slaves and famine/war-stricken people who wanted to forget and kill the never-ending pain and the evil warlords only too happy to feed them poppy cakes and wormword waters even though it burns your emotional neurons, like SSRIs do.

Sodom and Gomorrah helped Satan burn away your mirror neurons, which you need to have a hope of speaking to God on this material plane.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 22, 2015 10:32 PM  

Maybe me telling people about HilLIARy taking $40mill from nations that behead gays while sect has paid off.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 22, 2015 10:56 PM  

When tragic dirt meets magic dirt,
the result is hemorrhagic dirt.
Then bloodlust cleans sword rust,
And what remains is grave dust.

More untermensch intake we must to
Quicker trigger amygdala bust.

Blogger Terrific November 22, 2015 11:14 PM  

Those here who are trying to interpret scriptures that seem to imply "magic dirt" are confusing metaphors with reality. To understand scripture you must begin with the Word - Logos - Logic.

This is the source of most of the confusion regarding "confusing" doctrines. Things like "original sin" aka "sinful nature".

Nature cannot be sinful. Just as a gun cannot be evil. A tree cannot be wicked. If I say "Christ was nailed to that wicked tree", it MUST be understood that I am speaking metaphorically.

When scripture talks about:

"Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."

It doesn't mean the tongue itself practices deceit. It means the agent behind the tongue practices deceit. When it says,

“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.
Their feet are swift to shed blood."

Again, these verses make no sense unless you PRESUME an agency activating them.

The same with the land.

"24 Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants."

When the Bible talks about the land being cursed, it means the behaviors of those on the land guarantee that they would not prosper.

Even seemingly Biblical "magic dirt" is really and always about moral agency.

Oh, and just to throw this out because I missed the discussion on using rhetoric on atheists, here's a favorite quote from one of my favorite theologians:

"What is insanity but a mind that REFUSES to be influenced by EVIDENCE." - Charles Finney

Blogger Emmanuel November 22, 2015 11:26 PM

I hope this spreads, and I hope those keeping the gate open and those even remotely associated with them get what's coming to them just like the Hadjis.

Blogger Phillip George November 23, 2015 12:11 AM  

Thanks Emmanuel,
this is more insanity in that other direction:

every mosque offends me for the overt blasphemy in every quran

I think Vox is off with his reconquista timing. Europe/ America won't repent until a hundred thousand +, die in one day, or even one hour. Already Paris is on the back pages. Every single mosque/ quran is a blasphemy/ offense to decency, but I doubt anything will take place. And an event of that magnitude might not be for weeks - so I don't expect anything to happen tomorrow. We might as well sleep for a fortnight.

John Wesley's last words were recorded as:
The best of it all is, God is with us Can you think of one man woman or child in public life in the US or America, either of them, who could say that today about their nation? Any Europeans? Any living Englishmen? [but i've been mistaken before.]

Blogger Emmanuel November 23, 2015 12:54 AM  

"Thanks Emmanuel,
this is more insanity in that other direction:"

Wait... what are you saying? Are you implying what those patriots are doing is insane? If so, why, given the violently expansive nature of Islam in the Quran, Hadith, and Sunah, and its violently expansive history which we can see even today, would you say that? Or are you referring the suicidal limey's across the pond doing the BS mentioned in that article?

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 23, 2015 1:20 AM  

@36. TheRedSkull

When tragic dirt meets magic dirt,
the result is hemorrhagic dirt.
Then bloodlust cleans sword rust,
And what remains is grave dust.

Not bad. Work on the meter a bit-

When tragic dirt meets magic dirt,
result is hemorrhagic dirt.
Then bloodlust cleans the sword of rust,
And what remains is graveyard dust.

Blogger Phillip George November 23, 2015 1:21 AM

banned in the UK because a mussulman, might, just might, be offended.

Blogger Phillip George November 23, 2015 1:25 AM  

no Emmanuel, sorry if that could be read ambiguously. I don't think the ink stain of islam will be really bleached until something a lot worse than Paris happens. Which is probably just weeks away.

Blogger Groot November 23, 2015 2:26 AM  

On boats they embarked, their loins a-girt.
Capsized, some drowned, finding no pelagic dirt.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2015 2:46 AM  

As an ex Muslim I can attest to the effectiveness of radical Islam brainwashing. During my late I used to sympathize with ISIS and was quite alienated from the secular way of life.

Please note that when I said "radical Islam", my aim was not to defend this religion in any way. Whether "true Islam" contains indiscriminate terrorism is irrevelant, because the source materials of this religion are so easy to twist and interpolate that it is good for nothing other than recruiting suicidal murderers.

Islam can not coexist with freedom, choose one or the other. It should be ridiculed and criminalized at every turn. Not only for the sake of non-muslims but also the disgruntled, impressionable youths who are vulnerable to their violent, suicidal indoctrination.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2015 2:47 AM  

I meant to say "during my late teens"

Blogger TheRedSkull November 23, 2015 3:04 AM  


That is better than both my original and my attempt to fix it. It reads aloud far better than it scans. Well done. Also, I now must have you assassinated.

Blogger Emmanuel November 23, 2015 3:41 AM  


So, in other words, you admit actual Islam is very clearly violently expansive against the infidel and there is no such think as radical Islam, only Islam. Thank you for you admission.

"and was quite alienated from the secular way of life."

Considering that it is secularists and the people they've infected keeping the gates open, that part wasn't necessarily a bad thing for you, since both the Hadji and the Secularists are ginormous threats to the point that everyday the Nordic countries, some of the most secular countries on earth keep, in their enlightened secularism, letting in Hadjis, I smile a little inside, because evil is struggling against evil.

Anonymous Bee November 23, 2015 8:02 AM  

Harvard prof Rav Chetty believes in Magic Zip Codes and wants to move poor people into them. Unfortunately he has the ear of Hillary and President Obama.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 23, 2015 12:04 PM  

@47. TheRedSkull

That is better than both my original and my attempt to fix it. It reads aloud far better than it scans. Well done. Also, I now must have you assassinated.

Crap. I hate it when that happens.

Anonymous Anonymous November 23, 2015 12:31 PM  

magic dirt -- (Mexico, pre-North American Free Trade Agreement) growing medium for corn, upon which millions of Mexican farmers depended for their livelihood.

tragic dirt -- (Mexico, post NAFTA) Cheap corn from the USA is dumped south of the border. Starving farmers come north.

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 2:43 PM  

magic dirt -- (Mexico, pre-North American Free Trade Agreement) growing medium for corn, upon which millions of Mexican farmers depended for their livelihood.

tragic dirt -- (Mexico, post NAFTA) Cheap corn from the USA is dumped south of the border. Starving farmers come north.

Anonymous Fnord Prefect November 23, 2015 2:44 PM  

The Frogs stuffed their Moslems in ghettos where their culture was reinforced and it festered.

False, social housing is EVERYWHERE in France (guess which demographic uses it a lot). All new accommodation BY LAW is 1/3rd purpose built social housing and a lot of the rest is filled with people on state aid.

Historically, some old areas remain mooslim free by avoiding new building and outsourcing their quotas to nearby areas.

Ghettos such as they are are caused by non-muslims fleeing muslim majority areas and muslims choosing to congregate in certain areas. There are completely new quarters in my town which are now overrun as no natives want to live there and so the state housing associations buy up all the empty buildings and give them to the poor widow and orphans of peace.

The treacherous PM, Valls recently announced a billion euro budget to spread diversity to the towns and villages in the French countryside so nowhere is safe.

Functionally they are ghettos but that is just a consequence of who lives there, and it's spreading.

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 4:33 PM  

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Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 4:49 PM  

MAGIC DIRT-- (7th through 12th centuries) lands where Muslims made important contributions to mathematics and science (e.g. systematic development of algebra, fraction-enhanced decimal system and preservation of Greek classics.) Medieval Christian scholars (e.g. Leonardo Fibonacci) studied at Islamic universities.

TRAGIC DIRT -- what's left of the region after the inept meddling of modern day Western Imperialists (e.g. CIA agents who staged a coup d'etat against Iran's democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh) paving the way for the resurrection of Islam's most violent sects. Tragic Dirt is the Blowback currently stinging Western eyes.

Mathematics, music and love are universal languages. The hope for humanity in a post-nuclear-age human race: in spite of the intensifying 4GW that seems inevitable, there will still be pockets who continue to communicate with others across the globe in these ways.

Blogger Unknown November 23, 2015 5:41 PM  

Mathematics, music and love are universal languages.

That's sweet. Did you get it off a T-shirt?

Blogger Randy November 23, 2015 6:01 PM  

There's a LOT of 'tragic dirt' surrounding the Euphrates - See Rev. 9:14

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 8:27 PM  

@56 @55 Each of us finds our honey where we can.

Mathematics, Music, Creative and Civil and Mutually Beneficial Cross-Cultural and/or Cross-Ideological Communication (which would exclude the style of the extreme SJW), God :: "traditional Catholicism, human biodiversity, game, and grammar pedantry" [and I assume, God] : You

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 8:47 PM  

Insert the string ": Me" between the strings ",God" and "::" [I would've deleted 58 and started over, but then it might have looked as if I'd made a snarky reply to you, and then reconsidered.]


@56 @55 Each of us finds our honey where we can.

Mathematics, Music, Creative and Civil and Mutually Beneficial Cross-Cultural and/or Cross-Ideological Communication (which would exclude the style of the extreme SJW), God : Me
"Traditional Catholicism, human biodiversity, game, and grammar pedantry" [and I assume, God] : You

Anonymous Discard November 23, 2015 8:56 PM  

55 Irene W: The Moslem world was a shit pile long before Western imperialists started meddling. Don't blame us for their decay.

Anonymous Discard November 23, 2015 9:02 PM  

55. Irene W: The Moslems were not the ones who preserved ancient Greek writings. The Greek-speaking Byzantines did. You might as well say that the Russians preserved Polish literature, rather than the Poles themselves.

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 10:02 PM  

Discard: Greek classics went "underground" during the Dark Ages, as writings tend to do when few people are paying attention to them. Muslims* translated, built upon, and thus preserved some Greek classics during the Dark Ages, just as Irish monks can be said to have preserved others.

(See Thomas Cahill's "How the Irish Saved Civilization: The Untold Story of Ireland's Heroic Role From the Fall of Rome to the Rise of Medieval Europe." Cail Corishev might enjoy it.)

* (Euclid, Archimedes, Apollonius)

OK, there have been two questions that my #52 and #55 have prompted. The House Rules dictate that my comments can be deleted if I refuse to answer questions, and I've tried to answer them, just as graciously as I can. How long an interval between your questions and my answers is allowed? (I'm delighted someone here is at least willing to engage, but I *am* rather looking forward to dinner.)

Blogger IreneAthena November 23, 2015 10:23 PM  

Sorry Discard, I overlooked your #60 to my #55.

"Don't blame us for their decay."
Unless you have a strongly identify as a CIA agent or a Western Imperialist, then there is no need to feel you are being asked to personally assume responsibility for turning Magic Dirt into Tragic Dirt.

And in the case that you *do* identify as such, I never said there weren't other agents contributing to the decay as well. So again, even in that case, you shouldn't assume *full* responsibility, just more of it than many of the rest of "us" in the "U.S." need to.

Blogger Groot November 23, 2015 11:35 PM  

@59. Irene W:

Mathematics, Music, Mutually Beneficial Cross-Cultural and/or Cross-Ideological Communication, Beheading as a Rhetorical Device, Wiping Your Ass With Your Hand, and Genital Mutilation are such sweet, caring thoughts. They won't let you own property, drive, or show your face.

Vox Popoli: Where Irene means War. Where your copious self-love equates with self-hate. May your addled feelz never bear fruit.

Blogger IreneAthena November 24, 2015 1:30 AM  

The Middle East and Mexico are currently Tragic Dirt, but they weren't always this way. That was my point.

Referring back to Sailer's quote, Mexicans growing corn on small farms pre-NAFTA correspond to "1950's-era whites," of the blue-collar variety, in terms of abiding by the law and earning their bread through honest labor. Post-NAFTA, they correspond to those who own small U.S. farms and are struggling to compete against unfairly subsidized and legislatively over-represented large agribusinesses.

There are and have been, since the early days of Islam, educated and civilized (and hella smart!) Muslims who have welcomed cooperation with the West without anyone's being required to submit to Allah. They correspond to certain well-educated and gracious "1950's era whites" in terms of productivity and civility. Links are upthread in the 50's.

If my comments are not deleted, I may come back to respond to more of Vox Day's writing prompts. It is my understanding that "minority opinions" are welcome here, as long as they are presented respectfully.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit November 24, 2015 2:40 AM  

as long as they are presented respectfully...

And original, if you just regurgitate the multi-culti coda like you are doing above you will be ignored.

Semi-OT, I'm trying to read a book about Lepanto but the barbarity of the Ottomans stains almost every page and is putting me off.

Imagine an empire ruled by one man who got there by murdering their uncles, brothers, elder sons and possibly their father. Yeah, nice of him to keep a few accountants nearby to keep count of the number of murders, rapes and devastation done to europe in the name of islam.

Anonymous Discard November 24, 2015 3:54 AM  

62. Irene W: During the Dark Ages, while Moslems read Greek classics in translation, the Byzantines had them in the original language. The story that the wonderful Arabs saved the knowledge of the Ancients is professors' BS, multi-cult before the term came into existence. Propaganda, just like the Chinese built the railroads and Blacks built the pyramids.

Anonymous Discard November 24, 2015 4:41 AM  

63. Irene W: All the CIA agents in the world did not turn the Middle East's Magic Dirt into Tragic Dirt. It was already Tragic Dirt. It was Tragic Dirt before the U.S. came into existence. Our meddling has made things worse, true, but they like to pretend that they'd be living like Western Europeans had we not spoiled it for them. Western imperialism is just an excuse for their failure to progress beyond the 15th Century.

When has Mexico been anything but Tragic Dirt? Pre NAFTA? No, I antedate NAFTA by a long way, and it was backwards then too.

Anonymous Discard November 24, 2015 5:07 AM  

62. Irene W: Moslems didn't preserve the works of the ancient Greeks through translation. The Greek-speaking Byzantines preserved them, in the original Greek. Giving the credit to Arabs is just professors' nonsense, multiculturalism before its time, right up there with Blacks building the pyramids and Chinese building the railroads. I don't doubt that there are some Greek works that came to us in Arabic, just as Black slaves most likely worked on the pyramids and Chinese laborers worked on the Central Pacific RR, but I can't pretend that they were more than bit players.

Blogger Peawiddy November 24, 2015 9:26 AM  

William Blake's "Jerusalem" sums up the Magic Dirt theory so beautifully that it has become our alternative national anthem.

The first stanza posits the question "did those feet walk upon England's pleasant land" to open the idea that the almighty has shown favour on our island. It puts it in the context of good, industrious works which have taken a satanic character. (Dark Satanic Mills)

The second responds with "bring my bow of burning gold" as an almost dismissive exhortation to service for the glory of God in this sceptred isle. Almost - in that it doesn't directly address the truth of the proposition, merely renders it subordinate to devotion. The Grace v Works question.

Stirring stuff!

Anonymous Discard November 24, 2015 9:12 PM  

Sorry about the repetition, I thought I'd been dropped somehow.

Blogger IreneAthena December 11, 2015 7:48 AM  

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Blogger IreneAthena December 11, 2015 7:54 AM  

Discard. I had forgotten how triggering the word "algebra" is for some people. I don't know if it's the word's nasty Arabic origin, or if it's a content-related visceral reaction. It's okay. We don't have to go there.

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