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Saturday, November 21, 2015

Mailvox: the key to failure

Is often past success. It sounds as if Team Clinton is attempting to pull another Perot out of their bag of tricks. A loyal member of the Ilk writes:
I just received a robo-poll from "Victory Processing, LLC", asking whether I might vote for "a successful businessman" in a three-way race between Hillary Clinton, a Republican, and "Fred Strauss".  I thought you would want to know about this call, because it suggests that the Clintons are considering putting up another Ross Perot, so that they can split the Republican vote and win the election.  It also suggests that the Clintons are going to try to run a completely issue-free campaign.

The robo-pollster sounded like a pleasant, decently educated, middle-aged white woman.  She started with the usual questions -- Do I always vote in presidential elections?  Do I consider myself to a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or Other?  Do I consider myself to be a Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, or Other?  If the presidential election were held today, would I be inclined to vote for a Democrat, Republican, Independent, or Other?  Do I think that the people running the country are working for the rich and powerful instead of ordinary people?  Do I want an insider "who can get things done," or an outsider who would bring "new ideas"?  There were **no** questions about the economy, or "Is the country on the right track or on the wrong track", or foreigh policy, or immigration.  In fact, **there were no questions about any issues at all.**

Then the poll asked if I had a Favorable, Unfavorable, or Undecided view on each of Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, and Donald Trump.  It also asked about head-to-head matchups.  If the presidential election were held today, would I vote for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, or be undecided?  Ditto for Clinton vs. Carson, Cruz vs. Clinton, and Clinton vs. Rubio.

Then the poll asked if I would consider voting for an unnamed "successful businessman" in a three-way race.  The unnamed candidate "grew a small family business from 2 stores to 600 stores in 30 states, with 40,000 employees."  The poll asked if, regardless of my candidate preferences, whether I thought a third-party candidate could win.  Yes, No, Maybe, or Undecided?

Then the poll named the mystery candidate:  "Fred Strauss".  The poll repeated the four matchups, this time with Strauss as a third-party option.  This time there were 7 options: "Definitely vote for" candidate X, "Probably vote for" candidate X, ditto for Y, ditto for Z, Undecided.

At the end, the poll asked some demographic questions.  Age range: 18-35, 36-50, 51-65, over 65?  Male or Female?  Race:  White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Other, Refuse to State?  There were **no** questions about educational attainment, income, profession, or employment status.

The poll ended by thanking me for my time, and saying that it was paid for by "Victory Processing, LLC".

I hope this gives you and The Ilk some ideas about how the presidential campaign might unfold.
The other possibility is that Team Clinton is worried that Donald Trump will run as a third-party candidate if the GOP Establishment successfully denies him the nomination despite his popularity.

Which, by the way, he absolutely should do, given the way in which the GOP Establishment is now attacking him. Loyalty is only ever a one-way street for them.

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79 Comments:

Anonymous Wyrd November 21, 2015 2:45 AM  

Hillarity Clinton is laughing matter:

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2015/11/19/comedy-club-owner-hillarys-demanding-jokes-be-taken-web

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 21, 2015 3:00 AM  

I know it is off topic, but please,PLEASE read Albert Pike everyone. We all are getting played. hold fast to Christ, I do and I'm not even a Christian. Tremble in fear and awesome love of Grace.

Blogger Markku November 21, 2015 3:40 AM  

I actually did, upon Nate the Mason's request, take a look at Albert Pike. And it became hilariously, embarrassingly, obvious that he was writing parody. While I had seen only isolated quotes it seemed convincing that Pike was a Luciferan. But that did not withstand closer scrutiny.

Blogger Markku November 21, 2015 3:43 AM  

It was like that Vox story about negotiating strategy amongst the Evil League of Evil, and then everyone taking the narrative at face value.

Blogger Crude November 21, 2015 3:59 AM  

If Trump wins the nomination, it's probably the formal end of the GOP. The establishment Republicans will back Clinton over Trump, and probably openly at that. All that shit about being sure to support whoever wins the nomination will be revealed as complete bullshit, once and for all.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 21, 2015 4:28 AM  

Markku, I hope it is. Let's laugh around it at Vahalla.

Blogger Markku November 21, 2015 4:42 AM  

Don't get me wrong, I still believe the standard, pre-millennial model for how the Revelation will play out, so it won't be fun either way. But Albert Pike should stay out of it. It just makes us look ridiculous to anyone who takes a closer look than a website with a few juicy quotes.

The way he himself explained it was that he was trying to make the parody always more and more obvious, always expecting that THIS TIME people will figure it out. But they never did. Eventually he just accepted his niche, as people were just eating that shit up and hungering for more.

Blogger Markku November 21, 2015 4:47 AM  

It's kind of like how Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was written for adults, as a parody, like most horrible children's story ever. And then became massively popular AS a children's story.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 21, 2015 4:53 AM  

:-) Markku, you're trying too hard. Parody or not, it's.....too on the mark for 100+ years ago, maybe it is just a forgery.

Blogger Markku November 21, 2015 4:56 AM  

Yes, I also found that a lot of stuff supposedly attributed to Pike cannot actually be sourced.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 November 21, 2015 5:05 AM  

masons have done enormous damage. Is there any doubt of that? I suspect this is a smoke and mirrors dog and pony show; while secret wars are unfolding.

Conquer what by what - Mason's adopt Jesus Cross or is it something else in plain sight?

how did they go from a symbol of Christianity, God Jesus, to mixing an amorphic ineffable deity with the all seeing eye and great architect and G_d of allah and rabbinic judaism? And where does Donald fit in that matrix? does the world really make it to February of next year? But this is speculation based on guesses.

Blogger Floyd Looney November 21, 2015 5:08 AM  

I still think Trump (not conservative) might be working for the Clintons

Blogger Crude November 21, 2015 5:10 AM  

I still think Trump (not conservative) might be working for the Clintons

How does that work, exactly? What are they paying him with?

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 21, 2015 5:57 AM  

I've been predicting an independent Trump run for a while.

How much it will hurt the GOP is an intriguing question. I longer have a dog in this fight. All of the guys I was rooting for are out.

The data isn't great on his supporters. But a lot of it appears to be blue collar white union types. Basically the most neglected (if not actively abused) Democrats.

Blogger kudzu bob November 21, 2015 6:31 AM  

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Blogger kudzu bob November 21, 2015 6:33 AM  

How about the possibility that if Trump wins the GOP nomination then the Republican establishment will select a "responsible" conservative to mount a Third Party challenge? It is the stupidest and most treacherous thing that they could possibly do, which does lend the notion a certain air of inevitability.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 21, 2015 6:47 AM  

@15

Quite possible. There was some backroom chatter a while back that Baby Bush was considering just such a run. Odd I know but that was the rumor.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 21, 2015 6:51 AM  

When Trump wins the GOP primary, the party establishment will probably offer Hillary their support if she'll name Rubio VP on a "bipartisan" ticket.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 21, 2015 6:51 AM  

Wrecking the Republican Party is kind of family tradition for the Bushes at this point. And the Democrats are now portraying W. in their ads in a positive light.

Blogger Eric November 21, 2015 7:11 AM  

"Loyalty is only ever a one-way street for them."
Ain't that the truth.

Remember at the first debate when they asked if candidates would support the nominee and they all answered yes (except Trump)? How many think even half or a third of those losers would support Trump if he's the nominee?

Anonymous Wildbill November 21, 2015 7:46 AM  

Do you think that Trump would go back on his promise not to run third party from Septrmber?

“I have no intention of changing my mind, I see no circumstances under which I would tear up that pledge.” - Trump

Anonymous lurker November 21, 2015 8:17 AM  

The other possibility is that Team Clinton is worried that Donald Trump will run as a third-party candidate

Why would they worry about that? That just means Trump will split the Republican vote

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 21, 2015 8:42 AM  

@20 Wildbill "Do you think that Trump would go back on his promise not to run third party from Septrmber?"

Trump works in the world of contracts. Contracts are based on law. Contracts can be renegotiated and broken. Some of the establishment GOP candidates have already said that they won't honor the contract that they put in writing. And the party has been reworking the state primary rules (NC and CO). And he had a sit down with Priebus before signing it so there was certainly some mutual understanding hashed out. So if/when the GOP forces a brokered convention to pick Jeb! over the vastly more popular Trump by changing the rules is that contract that they GOP has repeatedly undermined still valid? Nope. Besides, it's a moral document, not a legal one. He'll certainly be viewed by his supporters as having upheld his end of the broken bargain.

Clinton won in 1992 with 43% / Bush 38% / Perot 19%. That was with a charismatic, folksy Perot saying a lot of populist stuff the base agreed with against a competent sitting President. Jeb! is an incompetent cuck and terrible politician thoroughly hated by the base. Perot drew some support from Clinton as well when they were far more moderate than today.

So consider a head to head of Trump vs Hillary vs Jeb! After a few months of destroying both of these losers if Trump can't win outright then he's certainly going to outdraw Jeb! Jeb! has ZERO crossover appeal, there's no way he gets many independents. He would maybe break 15% in a three way. If Trump doubles Jeb! in percentages in both the primaries and the general then who exactly is to blame for a Republican defeat? We might finally get a third party.

(The base is 70% behind building a wall and deportations. Jeb! literally married an illegal immigrant. Trump's biggest expenditures to date have been t-shirts and hats, Jeb! has burned through tens of millions.)

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 21, 2015 8:49 AM  

According to Gallup the latest party affiliations nationwide are Republican 28%, Democrat 30%, Independent 39%. Leaners are 42 R / 44 D. (According to Pew Dems lost 3% to Ind since 1992, Rep is steady.) If nothing else a three way race would certainly be entertaining.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

Anonymous Red Comet November 21, 2015 9:43 AM  

Yelling "Ross Perot," "Ross Perot" is a scare tactic to try and get people to support the GOP establishment instead of Trump, who is the closest thing to the anti-immigration candidate we need.

There's no point to voting for Senors Bush or Rubio over the Lizard Queen. Bush and Rubio both want to be the president of a South American banana republic and are willing to import as many brown dwarves as it takes to make one.

Blogger Alexandros November 21, 2015 9:50 AM  

It's like a friend said: "Why would I vote for a diet-coke democrat over the real thing?"

They're going to vote Trump no matter what; if a cuck like any of the other "choices" get presented to them, they'll write Trump in.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 9:54 AM  

I hope Texas goes blue sooner rather than later. It'll be less unpleasant in the long run.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 9:58 AM  

"I actually did, upon Nate the Mason's request, take a look at Albert Pike. And it became hilariously, embarrassingly, obvious that he was writing parody. While I had seen only isolated quotes it seemed convincing that Pike was a Luciferan. But that did not withstand closer scrutiny."

Well that sucks. I got that quote from my dad and occult stuff is supposed to be his wheelhouse.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 10:05 AM  

I'll have to take a look at it because the model is predictive and fits facts on cui bono grounds. It's important to know whether it's true or not and which parts are fuzzy.

Frankly, I distrust Nate's judgment on the Masons in general.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 10:51 AM  

Okay, first glance says that Pike himself could not have been writing "parody" because he used terms like "communism" that did not enter the common lexicon until much later.

http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-webcast/

Similarly, if this is a hoax by a modern writer (plausible) it would be a very poor parody because it spawned the theory it is supposedly parodying.

So the parody interpretation doesn't work in any case.

Blogger Harry Spitz November 21, 2015 10:53 AM  

If I were Hillary!, the one think I would most fervently desire is for Trump to run as a Third Party candidate. He would split the conservative/'Pubbie vote and guarantee her victory.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 21, 2015 11:08 AM  

I doubt there will be an election. If Trump gets dumped the White population will begin to see how rigged this system is and they have no one representing them when they are paying almost all the taxes. The rich don't pay any I suspect their assets are quickly dispersed to PO Boxes in the Cayman Islands or to other offshore accounts far from the sticky fingers of the IRS.
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Sound familiar?

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 11:10 AM  

So we have the two possible cases that 1) Pike wrote the letter, and 2) a modern person wrote the letter. If Pike wrote the letter, I'd narrow possible interpretations to 1a) face value and 1b) disinformation. 1b fails unless we accept that the disinformation was aimed at people 100 years later when "communism" enters the vernacular. Basically interchangeable except that 1b is not predictive.

If a modern person wrote the letter in bad faith they were (probably) either 1) trolling, 2) attention-seeking, or 3) spreading disinformation.

Anonymous Bobby Trosclair November 21, 2015 11:11 AM  

So who the hell is Fred Strauss?

This guy? http://publicity.org/golden-trumpet-awards/lifetime-achievement-awards/2006-fred-strauss/

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 21, 2015 11:12 AM  

>TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Sound familiar?

Life for 99.9% of people for 99.9% of written history?

Blogger The Other Robot November 21, 2015 11:45 AM  

It would be great to mess with their heads and tell them you are going to vote for the Lizard Queen.

All answers should be The Lizard Queen.

Waste their time and pollute the poll.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 21, 2015 12:04 PM  

Wait, isn't Hillary the Lizard Queen? How do you know they're not already translating those answers as such?

Anonymous Doctor Brick November 21, 2015 12:25 PM  

Does it really matter if Kunta Kinte Clinton wins? Child, please. She gets to play dolls in the White House, Her big power is that she can kill every person on the planet. But there are a lot of sober Air Force and Naval Men between her and The Button. No one has gotten close to that button for fifty years. In a battle of wits between her and Speaker Ryan, she's outnumbered one to nothing and no amount of strumming her fingers along Huma's clit is ever going to make a single whit of difference. Rush Limbaugh will go on air Friday Jan 20th, say he hopes she fails, then go right back to selling Metamucil, Life Lock, and Gold during these important commercial messages.

Blogger Danby November 21, 2015 12:46 PM  

@33 Bobby Trosclair
So who the hell is Fred Strauss?
This guy? http://publicity.org/golden-trumpet-awards/lifetime-achievement-awards/2006-fred-strauss/

Definitely not.
Let's make a shortlist
Howard Schultz, Starbucks
Dan Cathy, Chick-Fil-A

Who else?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 21, 2015 1:07 PM  

People say that if Trump runs third party he'll be a spoiler like Perot. Who the hell are these soothsayers anyway? If they nominate Ricky Ricardo Rubio, the GOP voters are either gonna stay home or vote Trump. Can you imagine the stupidity of anyone giving this goofball campaign money? They're only doing it to stop Trump. Carson is imploding now after those weird statements about the Pyramids in Egypt storing grain, and he used to be a thug who try to knife his mother. WTF? This guy must be a retard. What is it with blacks and Egypt?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 21, 2015 1:16 PM  

@18 Cataline Sergius
Wrecking the Republican Party is kind of family tradition for the Bushes at this point. And the Democrats are now portraying W. in their ads in a positive light.
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Worse than that, Hitlery is using old Bush catch phrases, like "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance".

Blogger Were-Puppy November 21, 2015 1:25 PM  

"Which, by the way, he absolutely should do, given the way in which the GOP Establishment is now attacking him. Loyalty is only ever a one-way street for them."

Trump likes to win. I wonder if it would be more satisfying for him to win as a Republican and run off all these Cucksters that are controlling the party now? Trump is very good at firing people, at least from TV. He'd have plenty of dead weight to get rid of winning as a Republican.

Going third party, I have no idea what all would be necessary to even pull that off. I bet he has had some people on that this entire time.

Blogger Ministry of Truth November 21, 2015 2:18 PM  

@21

Here in rural NW North Carolina there is a significant faction of white Democrats on the Trump bandwagon.

In fact, i would estimate that 99% of the Democrats i know (& know their preferences for president in 2016) either support Sanders or Trump. With probably 2/3 for Sanders and 1/3 for Trump.

Nobody likes Hillary. NOBODY likes Hillary. So I am certain that Hillary's people are very concerned about rural white Democrats supporting Trump as a 3rd party candidate over her


Blogger Ministry of Truth November 21, 2015 2:19 PM  

@42 ....& actually my best friend is a 30-something black lawyer & lifelong Democrat who is leaning Trump too

OpenID Jack Amok November 21, 2015 2:25 PM  

How about the possibility that if Trump wins the GOP nomination then the Republican establishment will select a "responsible" conservative to mount a Third Party challenge?

Keep in mind that the Republican establishment isn't a unified block of loyal comrades utterly devoted to one another. These are people willing to sell out their own country and all the people who have supported them in order to have a little more power. Each of them individually will do what they think will benefit them personally the most. Certainly some of them will figure Trump as the head of the party will fire a bunch of them (he's good at that, right?), and will try to undermine him. But Trump's no dummy, he'll be able to co-opt several, and I get the idea he's pretty good at playing people based on their greed.

I'd give him a pretty good chance at making any "responsible" Republican challenger look like exactly what he was - a desperate attempt to retain power for a bunch of losers. Of course, a third party establishement GOP candidate's job would not be to win, just to make sure Trump lost so the establishment could settle back into their comfy seats as the winners of the loser party.

Anonymous jdgalt November 21, 2015 2:27 PM  

This strategy has been obvious since the Clintons asked Trump to run. The only question is whether Trump will break his pledge not to run as an independent if he loses the nomination.

If Trump does get nominated, I hope the true Republican vote will split to an independent or the Libertarian, because he would be worse than any Democrat. The one issue that matters is cutting spending.

Anonymous farmer Tom November 21, 2015 2:37 PM  

Any thing the establishment Republicans and the Democrats can do to keep a real conservative out of the race is the most important thing for both parties. If Trump wins the nomination, the establishment Repukes will either back him or Hillary. If someone other than Trump, Rubio, Bush or Christie wins, they openly back Hillary. And if Cruz or Paul win, they will encourage Trump to go third Party. Anything to stop a candidate who at least claims to want to cut the size and scope of the federal leviathan.

We have a one party system who's only goal is to maintain the status quo at the federal level. Both the Demonrats and the Repuke want to continue the system as it currently exists. Remember that, when examining any and all scenarios involving third parties and the general election.

Anonymous map November 21, 2015 2:47 PM  

There are a lot of comparisons between Perot and Trump, but that is pretty weak.

The Clintons ran Perot as third-party candidate to split the Republican vote. Perot would get, in exchange, the healthcare contracts for managing ClintonCare on behalf of his company EDS. Perot and Clinton have always been longtime friends.

Now, Perot's message was certainly populist enough, with his "giant sucking sound" and such. The problem was that it was too early in the great outsourcing scandal to notice the effects. Plus, Perot's message was clumsily delivered with too much much complexity. He was basing his argument on pure dialectic, using complex chats to state his case. Incredibly boring.

Fast forward 20 years, and conditions are vastly different. Outsourcing and immigration are disasters and the mainstream media no longer has a monopoly on framing the narrative. A guy like Trump is far more accessible in this environment.

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 21, 2015 3:14 PM  

@41 Were-Puppy "Going third party, I have no idea what all would be necessary to even pull that off"

I forgot something - Sore loser laws would be a hurdle, but if they stab him late enough in the game (like at the convention) it would probably be too late except for write-ins. If they go full potato early in the year then he's got time.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/politics/trump-third-party-run-barriers/

Blogger Elocutioner #0226 November 21, 2015 3:17 PM  

@47 map

Trump could spin Perot as a plus. "The last time we had a third party he warned about outsourcing and terrible trade deals but the establishment ignored him and went with their own agenda. And he was right. The last 20 years have been a disaster for trade and manufacturing and jobs. You gonna do that again with Jeb!, a man with virtually no experience?"

Blogger The Other Robot November 21, 2015 3:19 PM  

If Trump does get nominated, I hope the true Republican vote will split to an independent or the Libertarian, because he would be worse than any Democrat. The one issue that matters is cutting spending.

Truly, some people live in a fantasy world.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 21, 2015 3:23 PM  

Going third party, I have no idea what all would be necessary to even pull that off. I bet he has had some people on that this entire time.

Trump has people to hunt down his naysayers. A south Korean guy that he eviscerated on S Korea's cost vs. what they pay the US to keep from being over run in a week turned out to say the exact opposite of what he responded to Trump on a video Trump's people pulled up of him (wearing the same Harvard hoodie) questioning the Japanese ambassador to the US. Just like the Jeb Bush employee skank scold that questioned Trump on abortion.

problem was that it was too early in the great outsourcing scandal to notice the effects. Plus, Perot's message was clumsily delivered

“One of the true tests of leadership is the ability to recognize a problem before it becomes an emergency.” ~ Arnold Glasow

Blogger Were-Puppy November 21, 2015 3:50 PM  

My favorite is the people who can create an emergency, then magically solve it, becoming a hero in the process.

Blogger Danby November 21, 2015 4:01 PM  

@45 jdgalt
If Trump does get nominated, I hope the true Republican vote will split to an independent or the Libertarian, because he would be worse than any Democrat. The one issue that matters is cutting spending.
So, you're going to vote for the candidate that will promise to significantly cut spending? You'll know him because he'll be flying over the moon on a unicorn. A unicorn that poops skittles. Skittles and chocolate milk.

Seriously dude, if immigration isn't controlled, the possibility of controlling spending goes to zero. Forever. Debt is debt, demographics is destiny. Welcome to Mexico Del Norte.

Blogger SciVo November 21, 2015 4:20 PM  

Stilicho #0066 @17: When Trump wins the GOP primary, the party establishment will probably offer Hillary their support if she'll name Rubio VP on a "bipartisan" ticket.

If the Establishment party can't have both sides of the race, then they'll throw their whole weight against the anti candidate? Sounds plausible.

It depends on whether the donkephants think they would lose more by losing the election than by exposing the kayfabe -- and they're not nearly as smart as they think they are, so they just might do it.

Anonymous Nah November 21, 2015 4:41 PM  

Her big power is that she can kill every person on the planet.

Dude, it is not 1983 any more. The current arsenal could not even come close to doing that.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 21, 2015 5:25 PM  

Actually this system is on its last legs. The economy has already collapsed. Only large cash transfusions directly to Wall Street are preventing a total meltdown. McDonalds went 365 black and now they're going Chapter 11. Retailers like JC Penney have taken up social issues like gay Marriage by hiring celebrities who are into deviant lifestyles like Ellen the professional lesbian and now their sales are going down the drain. Cable which was a huge money making cash cow has become the new dead end tech company as they now have 100 channels of ugly jew hags and miscegenation infomercials disguised as sitcoms in between commercials that Hate White Men.
This Washington DC scam is just running out of gas. Old timers are just getting out. Guys who were lifers are cashing out because they are afraid of lynch mobs at town meetings.
20 years ago, Trump would have been laughed off the stage as a reality star, but he said the magic words of illegal immigration and Billionaires are losing millions trying to freeze him out. Personally I don't believe Trump would actually change much if he won, but Sheldon Adelson is the Godfather of the GOP and Trump is a competitor of his in his Vegas Empire he bought from the Meyer Lansky Mob.
Not only is Trump a competitor, he has enough Fuck You Money that he didn't have to go to Adelson's Mansion and kiss his ring, and whatever other stuff they have to do to get this Israeli jew to pony up cash.

Blogger The Other Robot November 21, 2015 6:29 PM  

Trump is popular with the plebs.

I keep wondering whether I have a front seat at the collapse or the next political assassination.

Blogger The Other Robot November 21, 2015 6:30 PM  

Not only is Trump a competitor, he has enough Fuck You Money that he didn't have to go to Adelson's Mansion and kiss his ring, and whatever other stuff they have to do to get this Israeli jew to pony up cash.

They probably have to suck his cock on camera so they don't get any ideas about setting the military on him when they are CiC.

Blogger FP November 21, 2015 8:53 PM  

BLM heckler gets tossed from Trump rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq4l2eYIsU0

"Get him the hell out of here."

Towards the end, there is a woman in the crowd wearing a "Hillary for Prison 2016" t-shirt.

Blogger Robohobo November 21, 2015 10:51 PM  

Oh, it is worse than you think. The establishment GoP is now arming against Trump.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/260961-gop-operative-set-to-unveil-anti-trump-guerilla-campaign

Blogger Were-Puppy November 21, 2015 11:39 PM  

@59 Robohobo
Oh, it is worse than you think. The establishment GoP is now arming against Trump.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/260961-gop-operative-set-to-unveil-anti-trump-guerilla-campaign
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She already gave up

Blogger Shimshon November 22, 2015 3:08 AM  

600 stores/40K employees does not sound like it has the financial heft to self-finance a presidential campaign on such short notice.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 4:20 AM  

I'll have to take a look at it because the model is predictive and fits facts on cui bono grounds. It's important to know whether it's true or not and which parts are fuzzy.

Frankly, I distrust Nate's judgment on the Masons in general.


Nate had nothing else to do with it except that I took a closer look at Pike when challenged by him. He didn't direct me to any particular information.

It seems obvious to me that Pike did write parody, in order to poke fun at the ideas people have about Masons. Like a high-ranking mason would just out and tell everyone freely that the project is Luciferan. I mean, preventing that information from spreading out would be the entire friggin' point of having a tiered secret society, if it were true. And here's Pike essentially shouting to everyone, guys, guys, did you know we worship Satan? It's really fun, you should try it sometime!

But rather, the project took a life of its own, and now conspiratorial stuff is attributed to Pike ex post facto, to give it legitimacy. Like the pseudogrypha in the third and fourth century that carried the names of famous apostles.

However, the original writings ARE there too, and can be legitimately sourced.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 4:23 AM  

Compare to Dan Quayle. He did say some genuine whoppers, but nowadays about half of the stuff attributed to him were never actually said by him. (Many quotes were in actuality from Yogi Berra).

Blogger The Other Robot November 22, 2015 10:14 AM  

Breitbart is fund raising for Cruz?

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 5:36 PM  

>It seems obvious to me that Pike did write parody, in order to poke fun at the ideas people have about Masons.

It was not a parody written by Pike, that explanation is extremely implausible as I've already stated. If need be, I can work out the logic for you in more detail.

Plausible solution to the mystery: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/01/10/albert-pike-to-mazzini-august-15-1871-three-world-wars/

Claims the whole thing was part of a hoax perpetrated by an epic troll named Leo Taxil who realized he could make a fortune and ended up writing thousands of pages in the effort.

Seems legit, but it doesn't explain why the model is predictive. Could still be a disinformation ploy. We have to be careful because I suspect Lucifer's intel operation makes the Soviets look like amateurs.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 5:50 PM  

It was not a parody written by Pike, that explanation is extremely implausible as I've already stated. If need be, I can work out the logic for you in more detail.

I'm not talking about THAT. That part is OBVIOUSLY a later hoax falsely attributed to Pike in order to get it legitimacy. I'm talking about all the other stuff that he actually did write, about how he was "revealing" to ever-increasing degree that Masons are Luciferan.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 5:54 PM  

Here is the larger context: White guys in balaclavas speaking perfect French are performing what appear to be false flag attacks in France, then these attacks are getting pinned on Muslim's being Muslim. At the same time, we have the manufactured immigrant crisis, which global elites appear to have provoked at this very specific time instead of waiting for it to happen organically from population growth. Everybody is asking "Why? Who benefits?"

The Luciferian angle is the only theory (in my very restricted knowledge) that makes sense here, and the plan from the letter is a very good one. (But the British curator says the letter doesn't exist.) So it makes a lot of sense that, if this is the correct explanation, Satan is going to flood the subject with disinformation. Maybe, for instance, the plan is real and it has nothing to do with the freemasons. Then the Taxil hoax could be a strawman argument to discredit similar theories.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 5:59 PM  

>I'm not talking about THAT. That part is OBVIOUSLY a later hoax falsely attributed to Pike in order to get it legitimacy. I'm talking about all the other stuff that he actually did write, about how he was "revealing" to ever-increasing degree that Masons are Luciferan.

Okay, I misunderstood you.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 6:04 PM  

I mean, the hoax was probably written with good intentions and the author had a coherent idea (not necessarily true, but at least coherent) about what's happening. But he also knows that it's going to go nowhere if he presents it as "hey, I'm this random dude from the internets, can I talk to you about conspiracy?"

So, he attributed it to Albert Pike. And it did achieve his objective, obviously.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 6:10 PM  

Then I have to point out that your argument here still fails:

It seems obvious to me that Pike did write parody, in order to poke fun at the ideas people have about Masons. Like a high-ranking mason would just out and tell everyone freely that the project is Luciferan. I mean, preventing that information from spreading out would be the entire friggin' point of having a tiered secret society, if it were true. And here's Pike essentially shouting to everyone, guys, guys, did you know we worship Satan? It's really fun, you should try it sometime!

It's not as if he was revealing any secrets. He was mocking a pre-existing conspiracy theory. So just consider the following cases:

1) High-level mason conspiracy exists, including Pike
2) High-level mason conspiracy exists, Pike is ignorant of it
3) High-level mason conspiracy does not exist.

In all three cases, his mockery has the same motivation.

Now, I agree that this doesn't seem to be in Satanists' particular style, but I have only ever interacted with one that I know of (at the Neanderhall) and it is incredible and scary how well he passes for an honest, humble and trustworthy guy. It's like a frigging superpower. I don't doubt that there are other superpowers.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 6:16 PM  

>I mean, the hoax was probably written with good intentions and the author had a coherent idea (not necessarily true, but at least coherent) about what's happening.

The Taxil hoax had bad intentions in any case, whereas Carr's intentions are unknown. My best guess at the moment is that Carr was, like me, well-intentioned but not intelligent enough to get the details right except to note that the 3WW model is predictive.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 6:21 PM  

1) High-level mason conspiracy exists, including Pike
2) High-level mason conspiracy exists, Pike is ignorant of it
3) High-level mason conspiracy does not exist.

In all three cases, his mockery has the same motivation.


Yes, but in none of those scenarios does it make sense to quote Pike in order to show that there is a Masonic conspiracy. Even if there was, and Pike knew it, you'd still just be showcasing that you either didn't look at the facts yourself, or you are unable to understand parody.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 6:27 PM  

Also, Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum presents an interesting and amusing theory that none of the secret societies actually have the conspiracy, but they all think that the rival secret society does.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 6:41 PM  

Yes, but in none of those scenarios does it make sense to quote Pike in order to show that there is a Masonic conspiracy. Even if there was, and Pike knew it, you'd still just be showcasing that you either didn't look at the facts yourself, or you are unable to understand parody.

Touche. I have already demonstrated the former, but I do understand parody. That said, we are still in the same place as before, on the edge of WW3 with a good theory of dubious parentage.

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 6:50 PM  

With respect to the Masons, I agree with Nate's statement on the ATF show that you "know them by their fruits". Except where he sees children's hospitals, I see French Enlightenment, Scottish Enlightenment, etc. There are extraordinary parallels with European Jews.

Blogger Markku November 22, 2015 6:52 PM  

I have already demonstrated the former, but I do understand parody. That said, we are still in the same place as before, on the edge of WW3 with a good theory of dubious parentage.

It was the general "you".

Blogger Aeoli Pera November 22, 2015 7:57 PM  

I know, but it applied to my particular case. I was saying "Touche" in response to your general point, which was a good one.

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