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Sunday, November 15, 2015

Next up: Mayweather?

High-Lar-Ee-Us. Absolutely hilarious. Delusional big yapper Ronda gets KO'd in two rounds.
Holm easily won Round 1, bloodying Rousey's face with stiff left hands and oblique leg-kicks that slashed through her opponent's fearsome, furious frontal attacks. Rousey got in one takedown — her signature move that has won her several fights within the first minute — and Holm promptly wriggled out, then caught Rousey with a stinging punch to the face and a left elbow across the right cheekbone.

But it was the beginning of Round 2 that was to be the end of Rousey's perfect 12-0 record. Still woozy and bloodied from the first-round beat-down, Rousey endured a number of stiff punches and kicks — most, again, to the face — as she tried to chase Holm around the ring, hoping to suck the taller fighter into one of her devastating submission holds.

That's when Holm's swinging left leg strike caught Rousey in the neck and sent her teetering to the mat: Holm fell with Rousey to deliver a flurry of finishing hammer punches to the face, but by then she was beating on an already unconscious Rousey.
UFC 193: Rousey v Holm
The kick that ended Ronda Rousey's perfect 12-0 record.
To paraphrase Rousey herself, I wonder how Ronda feels being beat by a woman for once? Tell us again how you'd beat Floyd Mayweather, Ronda.... I told you the woman was nothing but corporate feminist hype; now even those without any experience fighting know that she's a fraud.

I had no respect for Rousey whatsoever because she is a liar, a charlatan, and utterly sans class. She showed no respect for her sport, no respect for far superior fighters, and no respect for her fellow female fighters either. Few athletes who have been so completely humiliated have merited it more.

On a technical note, these all-offense, no-defense fighters who rely on quickly overwhelming their opponents often surprise everyone with how completely they lose because their offensive dominance usually masks an inability to defend themselves. Once they meet a fighter they can't simply overwhelm, they don't tend to have a B option. Counterfighters tend to be the more complete fighters. I've bolded the relevant notes below, with my observations in italics.
Round 1: Holm offered up a touch of the gloves and Rousey didn’t take her eyes off her, refusing the gesture. Holm standing right in the pocket ready to engage, but it’s Rousey who gets off the first shot. Holm lands with a combo that stops Rousey for a brief moment in her tracks. No full-on blitz by Rousey yet, as she has done lately. [She was afraid of walking into a defensive jab from a superior boxer.] Another stiff left from the challenger finds a home, as does the oblique kick. Rousey with a right that stuns Holm and they clinch. To the fence and Rousey fires off several knees. Holm pushes back and Rousey unloads, but so does Holm. It’s likely Holm has hit Rousey more times through two minutes than she’s been hit in over a year. Rousey takes her down and is working for an armbar, but Holm defends and survives the first ground exchange. [This is likely where Holm won the fight. The grappler was counting on getting the striker to the ground quickly.] Back to the kick goes Holm and she circles away. Another kick finds a home and a straight left by Holm lands. Rousey’s face is starting to turn red from the straight shots, as she’s not moving at all. She’s just eating these shots. [She can't close and she couldn't finish when she did. No Plan B.] Holm loses her mouthpiece and we have a break. Holm with the clinch and she takes Rousey down, quickly getting back to her feet. Rousey looks desperate, chasing after her and she’s breathing heavily. Exchange of knees from the two, but Holm is all over her. [By this point, Holm knew she was in control of the fight. She'd figured out that Rousey had no defenses.]

FightLine scores the round 10-9 for Holm

Round 2: Rousey eats a shot right off the bat and a combo, as Holm is dominating this fight. Rousey completely whiffs on a strike and falls to her knees. She hurts her with a left and delivers a kick to the face and Rousey is out cold. Rousey was out cold and asking Herb Dean what happened.
Watch the video. It wasn't even close. After a flailing attack ends up with her on her knees, Rousey exhibits a total lack of basic defense, as she failed to get clear before getting up and turning around. She blindly turned right into the kick, which is why she was KO'd on her feet.

After watching this, I would not only expect Holm to beat Rousey in a rematch, but I wonder if Rousey will even ask for one. That wasn't an upset, that was a better fighter cleaning the clock of a tactically limited one.

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146 Comments:

Anonymous Chancellor Gorkon November 15, 2015 4:39 AM  

I like that Holly Holm is clearly the more feminine of the two.

Blogger Desiderius November 15, 2015 4:45 AM  

So is the all-male quilting bee next week?

Blogger Dave W. (#0257) November 15, 2015 4:52 AM  

That's what Rousey gets for supporting Bernie Sanders.

Blogger teqzilla November 15, 2015 4:52 AM  

This poor deluded bitch Rousey got hung out to dry by her team. It's damn near criminal negligence to fill her head with this bullshit that shes a fearsome knock out artist and then send her out there to throw hands with a boxer. Utterly, utterly stupid. Funny though.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell November 15, 2015 4:53 AM  

It's especially hilarious after commercials where Joe Rogan is blathering how no sport will ever see a talent as unique as her's again.

Blogger SirThermite (VFM #0025) November 15, 2015 5:03 AM  

Ha! Don't normally watch fights and didn't see this one, but this post made me smile. Was just arguing Friday night with a guy whose high school wrestling experiencing gave him the authority (sarc) to state that Rousey could take Mayweather because "It's MMA, not boxing." He didn't think Mayweather could win even given two months of training against an MMA fighter. I essentially argued that she's too slow and weak to land a good hit, and as soon as he lands one of his, the only thing going to the mat would be her. So for all practical purposes it would be boxing.

Blogger White Devil November 15, 2015 5:08 AM  

Derrick Bonsell
It's especially hilarious after commercials where Joe Rogan is blathering how no sport will ever see a talent as unique as her's again.
The man means well, but he also used to take money to get hit in the head.

Anonymous Difster November 15, 2015 5:09 AM  

I can't wait to see what excuse she'll use for losing. She will of course blame someone rather than give credit to the superior fighter.

Blogger JCDaedalus November 15, 2015 5:28 AM  

Holy. That is one brutal kick to the jaw.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 5:29 AM  

Was just arguing Friday night with a guy whose high school wrestling experiencing gave him the authority (sarc) to state that Rousey could take Mayweather because "It's MMA, not boxing."

Wrestlers ALWAYS overrate their ability to beat boxers. Sure, IF they can get the boxer to the ground, they will reliably win. But the better the boxer is, the harder it is to take the boxer to the ground, or even get close to him. Wrestlers do, on the whole, have an advantage. But that's all it is, an advantage, like being heavier or having a longer reach. It's absolutely NOT a guarantee of victory.

High school wrestlers are the worst about this because they've all dominated non-wrestlers at one point or another, ignoring the fact that those non-wrestlers are also non-fighters. And virtually no wrestler has ever taken a head shot from someone who knows how to throw a punch; it's hard to take someone down when you're stunned.

Anonymous Microphone Jones November 15, 2015 6:05 AM  

Holly was the first actual fight Ronda fought, and she made her look like she's never boxed before. All those claims of Ronda working on her striking were complete lies.

whats even more funny is the Meisha Tate fight would've went the exact same way if she didn't try to take her down. So happy this shitty hype job has been exposed, but everyone here knows they are going to double down on the narrative. I've already seen these fucking idiots tweet shit like "it's not the fact that you lost, it's how you come back." "Champions become legends after they deal with adversity."

I'd say the biggest shocker was George fucking foreman putting that fucking fraud hype job in the same category as himself, Frazier and Ali.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 15, 2015 6:06 AM  

@10

VD, since I'm not an MMA watcher, may I ask why all the hate for Rousey? Yeah, I heard what she said about Mayweather, and I figured she was just doing the boasting thing that a lot of professional fighters do. But you seem to draw real satisfaction from watching her go down.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 6:11 AM  

VD, since I'm not an MMA watcher, may I ask why all the hate for Rousey?

What part of "she is a liar, a charlatan, and utterly sans class, she showed no respect for her sport, no respect for far superior fighters, and no respect for her fellow female fighters" was hard for you to understand?

She's an equalitarian icon, a fraud, and a disgrace to the sport. I can't even think of a male equivalent to her, that's how bad she is. At least the bad male characters could fight and they often respected their fellow fighters as well.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 15, 2015 6:14 AM  

@13

Yeah, I got that. I was hoping for more specific incidents, actually.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 6:22 AM  

I was hoping for more specific incidents, actually.

I would think you've been here long enough to realize that I intensely dislike it when people not only try to bullshit me, but implicitly demand that I deny what is obvious to even the casual observer.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 15, 2015 6:30 AM  

@16

Seriously, VD? I don't follow anything about UFC, women's or otherwise. I've paid zero attention to Rousey for the length of her career, and I didn't care at all until you posted this. The only thing I've actually heard about her fighting career was the Mayweather thing, and it sounded like idiotic boasting to me at the time, but that is my sole experience with her career.

I didn't know anything about her fighting record, her public statements, or anything else except for the way she overcompensated for being a woman in Expendables 3. That's it. I'm not denying or doubting anything you've said; I'm merely curious.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 15, 2015 6:30 AM  

Slightly more specific... She drops more f-bombs than Dana White. She's anything but gracious; in her rivalry with Miesha Tate she threw her opponent the bird after winning a climbing contest, and refused to shake her hand after winning a fight, and that's typical of her sportsmanship. She has given herself a shot to beat fighters including the (male) world heavyweight champion in her own sport, but she could never be put to the test, as (apart from legal issues) she said it would be totally unacceptable for a man to strike a woman. (So she's got the "I'm more of a man than you" / "DON'T HIT ME I'M A GIRL!" thing going.) She's pronounced herself disrespected by male fighters because no matter how nicely they treated her, they didn't ask her for instruction, thus they weren't deferring to her (women's) Olympic Bronze Medal level judo. And on and on and on.

That might have been overlooked to some extent if her opponent had been just as bad, but Holly Holm has been cautiously dignified in all her public statements leading up to the fight.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 15, 2015 6:32 AM  

@17

Ah, now that sound like a woman who deserved to lose.

Anonymous Weak November 15, 2015 6:32 AM  

Following the logic, how badly would Holm beat Mayweather?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 15, 2015 6:33 AM  

So she's got the "I'm more of a man than you" / "DON'T HIT ME I'M A GIRL!" thing going.

Yeah, that would piss me off too.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 15, 2015 6:35 AM  

In sum: "she is a liar, a charlatan, and utterly sans class, she showed no respect for her sport, no respect for far superior fighters, and no respect for her fellow female fighters" can be backed up with pages and DVD hours of detail, assuming you can find someone who wants to take the time to do it.

OpenID standingagainsttheworld November 15, 2015 6:38 AM  

''I like that Holly Holm is clearly the more feminine of the two.''

Oh wait. I thought more masculine women would outclass more feminine women in direct confrontation.

I guess this thing happens every now and then.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 15, 2015 6:40 AM  

She always was something of a joke within MMA.

This clip is from before her hype machine took off. It demonstrates how well thought of she was at the time. How to be an MMA Fighter

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 15, 2015 6:45 AM  

Lol! It's good when life hands you a good laugh! And the photo is hilarious, too!

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 15, 2015 6:53 AM  

She's an equalitarian icon, a fraud, and a disgrace to the sport. I can't even think of a male equivalent to her, that's how bad she is.

Vox, when I read that, I did in fact immediately remember one who was worse.

Manny “The Hialeah Kid” Reyes, Jr.


Manny Reyes, Jr. competed in point karate before he made the switch to MMA and became the UFC Lightweight Champion. This was shocking to the UFC and its fans since he had never had a single match in it or any organization. Along with this accomplishment, he was one of the first to adapt karate for Internet message boards like in this desperate plea to UFC referee “Big” John McCarthy:

“DO SOMETHING UFC….DO SOMETHING GAYFUCK MCCARTHY…….. I DARE YOU…….I DARE YOU……. PIECE OF SHIT…I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU………YOUR MOTHER OR FATHER EITHER…..OUR MOTHER WAS A WHOAR AND YOUR FATHER WAS A FAG… LOL………..I’m laughing at you………Send me an Email Address…….Fag!”

By the time he was done karate chopping his keyboard at his MySpace page, he had so many belts that he didn’t even know how to spell them all. Unfortunately, it takes exactly the same amount of time to claim you have a belt as it does for a search engine to prove you don’t. In this age of technology, you can only be the world’s greatest fighter for seven or eight seconds at best. Only a total moron wouldn’t know this, which makes me think Manny did it as a short-term plan to get dumb girls to sleep with him. Maybe he thought stupid people herpes could cure regular people herpes.

Manny seems clinically insane, and has claimed many times that these two wins over bad opponents with no experience and losing records made him… well, I’ll let him explain:

I am the #1 LW in MMA and I did Fight for KOTC….so I am the KOTC #1 CHAMPION……..

If Bob Hope were alive, he’d say that this guy knows less about belts than a pair of suspenders. Seriously, though: He’s clinically insane. When Manny Reyes, Jr. puts on pantyhose, you can’t tell him he’s not Miss Teen USA.

Reyes once had a heated disagreement with the actual UFC champ Jens Pulver. I’m not sure what started it, but Jens Pulver refused to back down from his position of not knowing who the fuck Manny Reyes, Jr. was.

How It Ended: Beaten to Undeath
Reyes continued to challenge many pro fighters and then call them cowards when they wouldn’t fly him out and pay him $10,000. He whined and bitched so much that you couldn’t tell if he was trying to land a fighting career or a Vagisil commercial. Eventually, lightweight contender Hermes Franca offered to fight him at AFC 10 for $1 with the rest of the purse going to Reyes, Jr. If you were Manny, this would be right when your friends convinced you to apologize and save some dignity. Well, Manny’s only friend was a dwindling tube of dick cream and all it was saying was, “Think of all the me you could buy.”

When the two met in the ring, Hermes Franca didn’t set the world record for fastest knockout that night, but he only missed it by 30 seconds. Hermes pounded Manny Reyes out so quickly and easily that it looked like he was changing a disagreeable pillow case.

When they woke him up and explained what had happened to him, the now more mentally-challenged Reyes had the balls to say that it was a moral victory for him because Hermes used karate. This wasn’t accurate, but victims of head trauma often get their language centers scrambled...


Here is the bout in question. Don't worry it's not a long clip: Hermes Franca vs Manny Reyes Jr

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 6:58 AM  

Hermes pounded Manny Reyes out so quickly and easily that it looked like he was changing a disagreeable pillow case.

That was funny. Reyes had no clue what was going on.

the now more mentally-challenged Reyes had the balls to say that it was a moral victory for him because Hermes used karate.

He did? I didn't see any.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 15, 2015 7:04 AM  

Manny Reyes Jr "wins" that one easily.

Ronda really does have skill, just not the skill she thought she had and let Dana White present her as having.

Anonymous Steve-waa November 15, 2015 7:07 AM  

In the picture above, Holly Holm's upper back, arms and neck look just like an athletic man's body parts. Why would a woman want to look like that? Why would any society want to make a woman look like a man? In fact, both women have upper bodies that look like an athletic muscular man.

Neither woman appears to have children. Shocking, isn't it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 15, 2015 7:12 AM  

Hype what are we talking about Robert Griffith or what?

Blogger White Devil November 15, 2015 7:24 AM  

Whitey McWhite
refused to shake her hand after winning a fight, and that's typical of her sportsmanship.
Your many, many micro-aggressions aside, I think you nailed it.

White Knight Leo #0368
Ah, now that sound like a woman who deserved to lose.
Or have that look on her face (as she's getting kicked in the neck) immortalized on a tee shirt.

Blogger YIH November 15, 2015 7:28 AM  

Tell us again how you'd beat Floyd Mayweather, Ronda....
My guess, she was assuming having the advantage from the different fight style/rules. In a quickly put together ''stunt fight'' it's possible she would have enough of an edge. Put a boxer up against an MMA fighter and the boxer will be at a disadvantage, they train, think and react as a boxer. They have little idea how to react when hit with moves that in boxing would temporarily halt the fight - or even cause an immediate DQ.
I suspect that if Mayweather were trained for a while in MMA he would flatten her just by superior strength, reach and ability to dodge/soak up blows. He would also be used to pushing away from hold attempts, to him, those would be rather pointless.
That's what she (and her backers/flacks) want - a quick and cheap publicity stunt, not a real competition.
There have been 'battle of the sexes' in golf as well, guess how those usually turn out?

Anonymous Spy November 15, 2015 7:30 AM  

As the Bible says....pride cometh before the fall..

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 15, 2015 7:44 AM  

@26 Vox

Here is the original article. It won't be there for long. It gets taken down whenever Frank Dux's lawyer finds out where it is currently posted.

7 Fighters Who Lied Their Way to Legendary Status

Blogger YIH November 15, 2015 7:59 AM  

BTW, LOL @ the 'Draft Kings' sign behind them. They're not going to be a major sponsor much longer.
Nevada just told them ''get a gaming license or don't do business here'' and NY state just joined five other states in banning them.
That's got to hurt.

Blogger Patrikbc November 15, 2015 8:10 AM  

. I can't even think of a male equivalent to her, that's how bad she is
I can... Uriah faber. He was a mouthy no class fighter with no respect for anyone as well.

Anonymous Big Bill November 15, 2015 8:26 AM  

"Watch the video."

If you guys like this kind of no-holds-barred girl-on-girI catfight, you should check out WorldStarHiphop.com. They have lots and lots of it.

Hair pulling, knees in the groin, kicking, choking, stomping, pretty much everything you could get off on.

Blogger Lukas Brunnor November 15, 2015 8:28 AM  

Holm does have children and if you think she looks manly, you need to both work out more and see her standing beside her hulk of a husband.

I knew from the moment I saw footage of Holm's training regiment the day before the fight that the Grim Reaper had decided Rousey's career had gone on long enough; running at elevation for endurance, sparring partners that seemed willing and ready to hurt her, and a schedule that kept her from becoming self absorbed.

Rousey's seemed the polar opposite; coaches that never pushed her or let her take a punch, jogging...not running, at sea level, and she surrounded herself with worshippers instead of superiors. She bought into the bullshit her own hype machine created. Then to be a bitch on top of it all? She deserved to lose and under these circumstances.

Vox had her pegged long ago.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 8:31 AM  

Thank God. I'm so sick of hearing otherwise rational men muse about whether she could take a known MMA fighter, or whether they'd have to get an unknown -- but still professional and trained -- guy from lower in the ranks. Or how Mayweather could outbox her, but she'd take him in MMA because holds.

The gap between reality and perception on the question of male-versus-female strength, speed, and toughness, even for people who know something about fighting, is astounding. It's like no one ever fought with his sisters.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 15, 2015 8:32 AM  

Rousy had all that hype after only 12 bouts? She was a media creation. She at least had the good sense to know allowing Transgender 'Women' with a Man's upper body strength to participate in Women's MMA was insane(based upon that I imply she was never serious about fighting Mayweather but who knows if she ran around the ring maybe the judges would have given her the equivalent of the U.S. Army Women's Ranger participation trophy).

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 8:38 AM  

That's it. I'm not denying or doubting anything you've said; I'm merely curious.

Uh huh. That's just what it looks like.

Anonymous Athor Pel November 15, 2015 8:38 AM  

"37. Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 8:31 AM
...
The gap between reality and perception on the question of male-versus-female strength, speed, and toughness, even for people who know something about fighting, is astounding. It's like no one ever fought with his sisters.
"


Small families means fewer men with first hand experience wrestling with a girl.

Blogger James Sullivan November 15, 2015 8:41 AM  

@32

That article was hilarious. So was the fight.

You know, even if Rousey was as good as her trainers/enablers/snake oil salesmen promoted her to be, I would still want to see her lose.

As has been said repeatedly here today: She has absolutely no class. She has no intimate experience with sportsman-like conduct except when it's been applied to her by another party.

I don't usually take joy in another person's beat down but I LOL'd my way through the video.

Blogger Patrick November 15, 2015 8:44 AM  

@33 Why can't they just get a gaming license and continue? The states seem more interested in getting a cut rather than shutting them down. Seems to be enough money in it for everyone to be happy.

Blogger YIH November 15, 2015 8:56 AM  

@25 Cataline Sergius:
DO SOMETHING UFC….DO SOMETHING GAYFUCK MCCARTHY…….. I DARE YOU…….I DARE YOU……. PIECE OF SHIT…I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOU………YOUR MOTHER OR FATHER EITHER…..OUR MOTHER WAS A WHOAR AND YOUR FATHER WAS A FAG… LOL………..I’m laughing at you………Send me an Email Address…….Fag!
That's some real John Scalzi-level typing there!
But this part was even better:
How It Ended: Beaten to Undeath
Reyes continued to challenge many pro fighters and then call them cowards when they wouldn’t fly him out and pay him $10,000. He whined and bitched so much that you couldn’t tell if he was trying to land a fighting career or a Vagisil commercial. Eventually, lightweight contender Hermes Franca offered to fight him at AFC 10 for $1 with the rest of the purse going to Reyes, Jr. If you were Manny, this would be right when your friends convinced you to apologize and save some dignity. Well, Manny’s only friend was a dwindling tube of dick cream and all it was saying was, “Think of all the me you could buy.”

Gold. I checked, technically Seanbaby is listed as being with Cracked but not that much lately - only one piece dated 2015. They probably quit accepting his writing because he's actually funny.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 9:05 AM  

Small families means fewer men with first hand experience wrestling with a girl.


True. If the average family size is two kids, then about half of boys will have no sisters at all. And with parents spreading them out a few years, about half the sisters will be at least a few years younger and too small to really fight with, so they won't learn this lesson either. You really need a sister who's between your age and a few years older, and while I haven't run the numbers, I'd guess less than 20% of men today had one. Then you also need parents who don't helicopter so you can get in a brawl once in a while, which brings the numbers down even more.

Or they could observe reality and make a reasoned judgment, but I guess that's asking a lot.

Blogger JACIII November 15, 2015 9:08 AM  

Rousey pregnancy announcement in 3, 2, 1.........

Blogger jm November 15, 2015 9:18 AM  

"Once they meet a fighter they can't simply overwhelm, they don't tend to have a B option"

LSU under Coach Miles, in one sentence. Still, #geauxtigers

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 9:19 AM  

@42, that may be what they end up doing. But they don't want to be classified as gambling, because that means far more regulations. That's the hilarious part of this: by throwing some money around (some of it from NFL owners like Jones and Kraft), they were able to get Congress to classify daily fantasy as a game of skill and therefore not gambling -- even though it couldn't be more obviously gambling if it were called "Daily Gambling On Sports Players." Of course it's gambling. I don't have a problem with that; but let's call a spade a spade and legalize gambling if that's the goal. But if you spread enough money around Congress, you can get them to call a spade a tomato.

So basically, thanks to that ruling, they threw together some web sites and started taking wagers on fantasy sports, with no oversight or rules about payout percentages like gambling has. The people who used to play poker online before the feds shut that down (because, you see, poker is not a game of skill like fantasy sports!) shifted over to fantasy, along with day-traders who decided gambling on the stock market was getting too boring or dicey. Then the geeks running the places started using the accumulated data they could mine on the back end for their own betting -- first at their own sites, and then by going across the street to the other place -- and making a killing.

It's not going to go away, because there's too much money in it. But it's going to end up being regulated as gambling, and the states and maybe the feds will get a big cut.

Blogger jm November 15, 2015 9:19 AM  

Found this on the interwebs this morning. Thought I'd share with the class:

"Tell everybody you will vote for Bernie Sanders.
Get your ass beat.
The Universe . You gotta listen to it."

Blogger P.T. Barnumium November 15, 2015 9:22 AM  

Had a chance to watch the fight. Reminded me a lot of that moment when Brock Lesnar realised he couldn't bullrush Cain Velasquez and had zero fundamentals to fall back on.

Stunning & brave Ronda's footwork was a joke. Loping around like a winded buffalo throwing body shots? Crossing feet to move diagonally forward? She did well not to fall over herself.

One thing I particularly love about MMA is when the hype train gets wrecked, happens with hilarious regularity when people start believing in the circus around them, Ronda has been unbearable with that.

Will be interesting to see what happens when her coach appears before a court in 2 days to explain his attempts at claiming bankruptcy & zero income during a time when Rousey was fighting for world titles. The whole lot of them sound like sketchy, skeevy, classless insects.

Also hilarious, the timing of EA announcing that now former champ as the cover girl for their next game.

All in all an excellent display of a hard working, humble, skilled, athlete dismantling a big-mouthed, over-hyped, unfit (seriously Ronda, put down the Doritos, a pro fighter shouldn't have such a fat ass) disaster. Great to watch.

Blogger YIH November 15, 2015 9:37 AM  

@42 Patrick:
Why can't they just get a gaming license and continue?
They wouldn't dare. First, Nevada isn't worth it as a market - way too much competition for betting dollars.
Second, getting a Nevada gaming license is a formal admission that ''yes, it's actually gambling'' - and their whole business model depends on the claim that it isn't.
The states seem more interested in getting a cut rather than shutting them down.
Again, competition in the gambling industry. NY doesn't want 'fantasy football' cutting into lottery, OTB, Indian casino and horse track tax revenue.
Something similar happens here in FL, the Seminole tribe keeps trying to put a casino in Central FL, and every time Disney gets it put down.
Money spent by tourists at a casino is money not spent at Disney World.

Anonymous karsten November 15, 2015 9:47 AM  

"In the picture above, Holly Holm's upper back, arms and neck look just like an athletic man's body parts. Why would a woman want to look like that? Why would any society want to make a woman look like a man?"

Agreed. This is demented modernism. No question that it's satisfying that the "woman" who has a disgusting character as well as a disgusting appearance lost to the woman who only looks unfeminine, but nevertheless, neither is anything but a reflection of the repellent distortion/parody of womanhood that cultural Marxism has given us.

Anonymous robwbright November 15, 2015 10:00 AM  

@12

"VD, since I'm not an MMA watcher, may I ask why all the hate for Rousey?"

Most fighters talk big to raise interest in a fight. That didn't bother me, even though her claim to be able to beat anyone on the planet (including Mayweather) is ridiculous. What pissed me off was that shortly thereafter, someone asked her when/if she'd fight a guy. Her response?

"I don't think it's a great idea to have a man hitting a woman on television," Rousey told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. "I'll never say that I'll lose, but you could have a girl getting totally beat up on TV by a guy -- which is a bad image to put across. With all the football [domestic violence] stuff that's been happening, not a good idea. It's fun to theorize about and talk about, but it's something that's much better in theory than fact."

So she makes claims she's not only unable to back up, but also unwilling to even attempt to back up... and for a B.S reason. That's what turned me against her.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/12475434/ronda-rousey-explains-why-fight-man

Anonymous Ain November 15, 2015 10:07 AM  

@32. Cataline Sergius:
@26 Vox

Here is the original article. It won't be there for long. It gets taken down whenever Frank Dux's lawyer finds out where it is currently posted.

7 Fighters Who Lied Their Way to Legendary Status



Another amusing one is 5 Signs That Someone Isn't Actually a Badass

Blogger bob k. mando November 15, 2015 10:13 AM  

17. Whitey McWhite November 15, 2015 6:30 AM
(So she's got the "I'm more of a man than you" / "DON'T HIT ME I'M A GIRL!" thing going.)



i watched a retrospective on Rousey.

at one point she talks openly about how she moved in with her ( at the time ) boyfriend in Chicago ... but only until she got a local job. then she kicked him to the curb and got her own place. and she gives every impression of despising the old "boyfriend" ... for being dumb enough to give her a place to live?

she's also shit talked women who make a living having pictures taken of themselves in their bikinis/ring girls, calling it the next thing to pornography. only, Ronda has done a Maxim photoshoot herself.
http://www.amazon.com/Maxim-Magazine-September-Ronda-Rousey/dp/B00EBBUDTC?tag=duckduckgo-d-20

Ronda doesn't believe in having to live up to the standards she wants to hold everybody else too.

Blogger Harsh November 15, 2015 10:21 AM  

Rousey's seemed the polar opposite; coaches that never pushed her or let her take a punch, jogging...not running, at sea level, and she surrounded herself with worshippers instead of superiors. She bought into the bullshit her own hype machine created.

Hey, just like Rocky III. Now all she has to do is get Apollo Creed to train her and she can win the rematch.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 15, 2015 10:32 AM  

I was trying to drink coffee while reading Seanbaby. Bad idea (say it in your head like Ah-nuld).

OpenID rufusdog November 15, 2015 10:42 AM  

A real pucker moment for the UFC, now that all the hype and BS has died, all they are left with is a hugely inferior women’s version of a man’s sport. What to do with the pound for pound rankings? Wonder if they will shoot Holm up in the top ten with the men, LOL. White just saw millions vanish with one leg kick, I am sure he is not interested in the parasitical WNBA “it has major potential” model.

Pure boxer meets pure wrestler, wrestler wins 9 times out of ten, probably more if the boxer doesn’t have real power. Only way boxer hangs with wrestler is if he learns enough wrestling to stay on his feet or get back to his feet, you don’t beat wrestling with better boxing.

I would really enjoy seeing Mayweather get thrown into an MMA ring with a wrestler, it would be pure comedy, pick any elite NCAA wrestler at his weight.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 10:51 AM  

This is why I love JKD. You can't rely on one thing alone, like grappling. Grappling does screw up a lot of people who aren't used to dealing with it. But you better have some more tools in the woodshed when you face a fellow grappler, or even worse, an anti-grappler.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 10:54 AM  

@11. Microphone Jones
I'd say the biggest shocker was George fucking foreman putting that fucking fraud hype job in the same category as himself, Frazier and Ali.
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No matter what George says, or does, his grill is awesome :P

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:12 AM  

@27 Steve-waa
In the picture above, Holly Holm's upper back, arms and neck look just like an athletic man's body parts. Why would a woman want to look like that? Why would any society want to make a woman look like a man? In fact, both women have upper bodies that look like an athletic muscular man.
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A long time ago I was at a convention center, and I saw these women that were female body builders that looked like women with Arnold Swartz. body. It was freaky.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:19 AM  

When the shit is on, when it's time for Serious Bizzness,
Rhonda's Predecessor?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:23 AM  

@36 Lukas Brunnor
She bought into the bullshit her own hype machine created.
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A little rearranging, and we arrive at a conclusion: She bought into her own bullshit. A sure sign that doom is upon you.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:27 AM  

@40 Athor Pel

Small families means fewer men with first hand experience wrestling with a girl..
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I thought all girls liked to wrestle? Oh well, maybe that's down here in the South.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 11:36 AM  

Pure boxer meets pure wrestler, wrestler wins 9 times out of ten, probably more if the boxer doesn’t have real power.

That's what the theory-only people always say. It doesn't work like that in the ring. I've beaten most of the wrestlers I fought and I never did either boxing or wrestling. Wrestlers are ridiculously predictable, especially against non-wrestlers.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:37 AM  

@49 P.T. Barnumium
Had a chance to watch the fight. Reminded me a lot of that moment when Brock Lesnar realised he couldn't bullrush Cain Velasquez and had zero fundamentals to fall back on.
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Yipes! I forgot about the

Beast Brock Lesnar

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:41 AM  

@55 Harsh

Hey, just like Rocky III. Now all she has to do is get Apollo Creed to train her and she can win the rematch.
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I might have dreamed it, but I vaguely recall something about Apollos son being trained by an aged Rocky.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 15, 2015 11:44 AM  

Were-Puppy,

What you saw doesn't exist anymore. Women's bodybuilding is extinct for all the same reasons we dislike it. What exists now are the fitness and figure competitions. Even for men, the mass monster fad is going out and the "Classic Physique" division is here.

Blogger Sjonnar November 15, 2015 11:46 AM  

@45: Rousey pregnancy announcement in 3, 2, 1.........

What are you saying here? Holm pounded her so hard she got Rousey pregnant?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 11:46 AM  

@64 VD
Pure boxer meets pure wrestler, wrestler wins 9 times out of ten, probably more if the boxer doesn’t have real power.

That's what the theory-only people always say. It doesn't work like that in the ring. I've beaten most of the wrestlers I fought and I never did either boxing or wrestling. Wrestlers are ridiculously predictable, especially against non-wrestlers.
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Can I ask, what type of training have you had?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 15, 2015 11:50 AM  

Vox is extensively trained in combat crochet, knitting needle attacks and Jiu-Care Bear-Jutsu.

Blogger So Meh November 15, 2015 12:07 PM  

I've would see Ronda Rousey quite a bit around Venice, CA, and Marina Del Rey...especially eating and drinking on Abbot Kinney Blvd (multiple times a week before the movie career kicked into high gear). she was always very approachable and always seemed good natured (I dont remember any F-bombs flying) and she didnt know me from the homeless guy on the sidewalk sitting next to us...and she would always take time to chat about the wonderful weather (72 degrees everyday), the 405 west side gossip (escalating rents and housing costs) and of course horrible traffic, and the homeless people problems. I always thought what VD critically described her TV persona was just her "fight persona" to hype the fights. her personal story of bartender, living in her car, her reading disability, etc. is true and with really no marketable skills beside her judo training i think she has done very well for herself. I studied and practiced shotokan karate for ~ 3 years when i was in college in the 80s/90s so I do understand the criticisms of some of her verbiage vs. the teaching of total respect for oneself and your opponents in the martial arts. I've won some money betting on Ronda's fights. enough to pay for the Pay-Per-View costs and Fight Night food. her fighting style reminded me of Mike Tyson. The out of the gate bull rush, take down fury, arm bar, and then tap out. I always thought she would have a difficult time if a match went more than 1 round (she would get gassed), why she decided to try to fight stand up against an champion boxer who was taller and has longer reach last night was foolish at best. yep...she had no Plan B. I like Danna White never entertained the thought of woman fighting in the UFC ever. Ronda changed that, and you may think she is a jerk (who cares) she was able change that idea, help sell out a stadium (70,000+), grab the spotlight into a movie career, and pay her rent for a while and buy a house in Venice, CA ($$$$). it will be interesting to see if she wants to fight again or embrace a movie career and the $$$$. i think ego says she fights again, but looking at last night's fight, without a future Plan B, it will be loss number 2 and then retirement. if I'm in las vegas for the fight...would i bet against her? yes. She's had a great run.

Blogger maniacprovost November 15, 2015 12:09 PM  

I would assume that most of the strikes a boxer can effectively use against a wrestler are not common in boxing and hence not reflexively trained into them. For example a low uppercut, or the highly illegal rabbit punch.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/worst-life-ever-the-story-of-kazuyuki-fujitas-skull/

Funniest thing I've ever read, years ago.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 12:28 PM  

Can I ask, what type of training have you had?

We called it "shoot fighting", but it was basically proto-MMA with more elbows. It was a mix of Shorin Ryu, Wing Chun, and Kali. We also lifted heavy weights. Our style was so identifiable in the area that one black belt from another dojo correctly ID'd my instructor simply because I hit him so hard.

Blogger haus frau November 15, 2015 12:29 PM  

Rousey is currently dating a married man who is being investigated for beating his wife. The problem with feminist icons is that they tend to make piss poor feminist icons. HOwever, she comes by it honestly. Her mother is a piece of work.
I've also heard her complain that the type of man who is interested in dating her is not the type of man she is attracted to. Fancy that. Check out the comment section on this article. There is only one comment so no searching needed. This is your future call Ronda and it has one sexy, sexy neckbeard.
Even put his cell number on his post.
http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/ronda-rousey-time-boyfriend/258248

Blogger rick November 15, 2015 12:39 PM  

@45: Rousey pregnancy announcement in 3, 2, 1.........

What are you saying here? Holm pounded her so hard she got Rousey pregnant?"


No. What he is saying is that she will come up with an excuse for 1) saying why she got her butt kicked; or 2) why she's taking a hiatus from the sport.

I had a soldier once who accused a guy of raping her. I told my Battalion Commander, "Just you wait. In five days she's gonna say that she's pregnant. The guy says it was consensual." Sure enough, she was pregnant and immediately retracted her claim. In other words, to escape/mitigate having a bad image, the woman tried to pin the blame on someone/something else.

Blogger So Meh November 15, 2015 12:52 PM  

from above #71...i would like to add and emphasize. Did anyone 4 or 5 years ago imagine the UFC selling out a 70,000+ stadium for a Women's Bantamweight Champion???? I've been following the UFC since the Royce Gracie days and I would have laughed stupefied and said categorically...NO. Ronda's jerkitude and super hype sold those tickets and (maybe) a 1 MILLION+ Pay-Per-View. that's good earned respectable money. feminist hyped icon or not.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/11/14/9736238/ufc-193-rousey-vs-holm-trending-over-1-million-ppv-buys-dana-white-mma-news

Anonymous lousy November 15, 2015 1:07 PM  

Ronda should've juiced more.

http://www.bjpenn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/nC5ozRA.png

photoshop thread over at sherdog,

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/shoop-ko-ronda-3099293/index54.html

Anonymous Breeder November 15, 2015 1:17 PM  

VD,
I'd love to see a Vox Day/Rousey charity match. Purse is raised via GoFundMe or something of the like and is given to a charity of the winner's choice.

I suppose the idea has lost a little luster in light of her loss.

Blogger bob k. mando November 15, 2015 1:28 PM  

76. So Meh November 15, 2015 12:52 PM
Ronda's jerkitude and super hype sold those tickets and (maybe) a 1 MILLION+ Pay-Per-View. that's good earned respectable money.



you can get plenty rich by passing off a hundred pounds of fake gold 1 oz pieces as real ( something bankers are doing on a figurative basis daily ). the fact that you "made money" doesn't make it "respectable" or "well earned".

hell, *i* can wander around a ring for a round and a half getting my noggin punched in. there's no skill in that.

the funny thing is, Holm was only ranked #7 entering the fight. her previous two UFC fights went the full three rounds, with one of them being a split decision win.

and these two fights were against the ... #13 and #14 women in the class.

http://rankingmma.com/ufc-rankings/womens-bantamweight/


what we're saying is, is that Ronda Rousey is the modern day equivalent of John Law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Law_%28economist%29

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 1:41 PM  

I like Danna White never entertained the thought of woman fighting in the UFC ever. Ronda changed that

That's a bad thing, not something to her credit.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 1:46 PM  

I'd love to see a Vox Day/Rousey charity match.

The man can't win that scenario. If he gives it his all and pounds her like a tent stake, everyone will feel bad for her and hate him. I wouldn't be surprised to see such a man be unofficially blackballed and driven from the sport.

If he loses -- okay, he wouldn't lose. But if he tries to take it easy on her, which many men would do reflexively, it just might look like she's keeping up with him. Then he looks like a wimp loser, and people get even stupider about male-female equality in sports.

It'd have to be a big payday for the guy to make it worth it, because he's going to end up a joke or a pariah no matter what.

Blogger So Meh November 15, 2015 2:06 PM  

#79 bob k. mando. ummm...not sure how typical banksters behavior entered an UFC/MMA conversation, but I guess if there is a will, there is a way. per..."hell, *i* can wander around a ring for a round and a half getting my noggin punched in. there's no skill in that". but can you sell 70,000+ tickets having people watching you do that? doubtful. could you sell 10 tickets at $100 a pop doing that...still doubtful, but good luck with that. The UFC put on a show, no one was tricked to paying for their tickets or to purchase Pay-Per-Pay views to watch the fight between two 134 lbs women. No laws or regulations were broken that I know of, in a Ayn Rand Objectivism sense and simple fair trade exchange economics. that is, money for a ticket or money for PPV viewing rights met at there supply and demand clearing price. that "IS" by definition respectable money earned. maybe there is a John Law angle in the speculative price inflation of scalping of tickets, but I'm not looking to research or write a Ph.D. thesis in that line of thought. enjoy Football Sunday. Go Bears.

Blogger So Meh November 15, 2015 2:12 PM  

# 80. Cail Corishev. I'll put you down as undecided,

Blogger bob k. mando November 15, 2015 2:23 PM  

82. So Meh November 15, 2015 2:06 PM
maybe there is a John Law angle in the speculative price inflation of scalping of tickets



the "John Law" angle lies in passing off 'women fighting' as ... real fighting.

you also need to learn to differentiate between someone who can make small talk and a person of actual quality.

Ronda brags about ( claimed ) domestic violence against one of her boyfriends:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey#Domestic_violence
"I slapped him across the face so hard my hand hurt... I punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook. He staggered back and fell against the door... then I grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face, and tossed him aside on the kitchen floor."


Ronda has half nude pictures of herself taken and then plastered all across the country in national magazines ... then slimes other women who do photoshoots.

Ronda uses men, then publicly spits on those men for allowing her to use them.

Ronda, in short, is a fucking lying, hypocritical moron with some martial arts talent ( relative to other women ) who loves to talk about how she would have a chance of beating Cain Velasquez ( at the time he was HW champ ) ... but she won't face any man in the cage because it "would set a bad example".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGA_hYE9fpI

you mean like that weigh-in was a "bad example", Ronda?

being able to make a little pleasant small talk doesn't mean shit as to whether or not you actually want that person at your back in a fire fight. or even whether you'd trust them with your money or your children.

Ronda is the fake ass bitch she accuses all of her opponents of being. that's why she always accuses them of it.

Blogger CJ November 15, 2015 2:32 PM  

@maniacprovost

Anyone who trains in a style knows how to do the "illegal" stuff. When I was taking Aikido, there was one instructor who would show us the "do no harm" Aikido technique, and show us the "martial" move it was developed from in case you needed to eff somebody up.

Blogger maniacprovost November 15, 2015 2:48 PM  

@CJ, sure, but you are more likely to do what you have trained. A boxer is going to instinctively guard high and throw a jab, which is probably not a good tactic against a takedown.

Since it's been 20 years since MMA took off, I'm sure that doesn't apply as much as it used to though.

Anonymous karsten November 15, 2015 3:03 PM  

"The man can't win that scenario. If he gives it his all and pounds her like a tent stake, everyone will feel bad for her and hate him."

That would be the media narrative. But I expect that many more people would feel nothing but contempt for her, if she were the one who demanded the fight (as this RR "woman" pretends to be doing, vis-a-vis some male boxer).

I have never paid to watch a fight in my life, but I would indeed pay to view such a challenge.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 15, 2015 3:13 PM  

6 He didn't think Mayweather could win even given two months of training against an MMA fighter.

How much could I make for knocking out Roidy Rousey? Just think it would be advertised as Roidy Rousey vs. the faggot that doesn't want to more taken out of his paychecks for Latrina's 28 illegitimate crack babies. I probably would have to grow out a beard and wear a dress for more money.

"The man can't win that scenario. If he gives it his all and pounds her like a tent stake, everyone will feel bad for her and hate him."

So I should get even more money for knocking her out.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 3:26 PM  

@73 VD
Can I ask, what type of training have you had?

We called it "shoot fighting", but it was basically proto-MMA with more elbows. It was a mix of Shorin Ryu, Wing Chun, and Kali. We also lifted heavy weights. Our style was so identifiable in the area that one black belt from another dojo correctly ID'd my instructor simply because I hit him so hard.
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I got clobbered one time by a Shoot takedown by one of my instructors. This one friend of mine was trying to put some kind of throw on me, but I was screwing him up with the grappling crap.

Then he asked the instructor, "what do you do when they are doing this to mess me up." Instructor says, "what would i do? This!"

And I vaguely remember floating through the air and landing on my back with no wind for 5 minutes :P

I asked him what it was, and he said Shooto.

This was a Wing Chun, Kali, Muay Thai, BJJ, JKD and who knows what else school.

OpenID rufusdog November 15, 2015 3:27 PM  

I said "pure wrestler vs pure boxer" and you counter with, “I beat wrestlers with my MMA training”…well, golf clap a guess, way to go, but what does that have to do with what I said about pure boxer vs wrestler?

What I said is fairly basic and obvious. I am surprised you are trying to argue with me.

Blogger ray November 15, 2015 3:28 PM  

Medea and her hordes of castrati will have to find a new Hunger Games Heroine to extend their cherished fantasy of kicking the ass of American men, etc.

Once upon a time, females were raised to be female. Now they're raised to kick the ass of males, physically or legally or psychologically. That's what puts dollars in corporate hands, butts in legislative and executive seats, and funds in the IRAs of parents. Looking forward to their turn in the ring.



Blogger CJ November 15, 2015 3:28 PM  

Your arguments are invalid. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sff4t

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 15, 2015 3:29 PM  

So she's got the "I'm more of a man than you" She has higher T levels than Tiny Tim

either boxing or wrestling. Wrestlers are ridiculously predictable, especially against non-wrestlers.

HS Wrestling now has so many of the moves banned that I used to use,they might not have the muscle memory to do the right things. Another way of trying to weaken white boys. Even back then many on my team including me lost points for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 3:31 PM  

@74 haus frau
it has one sexy, sexy neckbeard.
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This is a conundrum. How can one have a neckbeard when one doesn't have a neck?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 3:38 PM  

@78 Breeder
VD,
I'd love to see a Vox Day/Rousey charity match.
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He'd just apply a Pimp Slap, and as she struggles to get up, say "Oh, and BTW, you're fat". DING DING DING

Anonymous Conservative Buddhist November 15, 2015 3:57 PM  

All the hype about her being the most dominant athlete was offensive. Regardless of the pitfalls of comparing across sports it takes little thought to find a significantly long list of athletes more dominant than RR. If one wants an actual example of a female athlete at the top of her sport, then Rachael Atherton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Atherton). The convenient thing about DH races is that men and women race on the same course so there isn't any silly speculation. Time don't lie. Similar with cross-country MTB, the women have about the same winning times on the same course but they do 1-2 less laps than the men.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 15, 2015 4:07 PM  

Re: wrestler vs. boxer

FWIW: My 2c as a guy who was a mediocre high school wrestler.

Any of my fantasies about taking on anyone with experience in any striking style ended the first time I did some "moderate" sparring with a guy my height, but out weighing me due mostly to gut, who also had a few years doing other martial arts.

Not only could the "fat boy" move quicker than I expected, I spent most of the time running around just trying not to get hit or kicked. Even the "moderate" punches and kicks scared the crap out of me the first time. There was no way I could get in close enough to do any wrestling without being knocked flat.

It got better after a few weeks, but I still don't consider myself much of fighter. Learned some pure self defense stuff that involve some nasty, definitely not moderate techniques which I still would only use to get away or facilitate drawing my carry piece if necessary. Avoiding stupid, not worth shooting someone fights is a skill I have so far successfully managed my whole life. Yep AvoidEvadeFu... call me a pussy, I don't care.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 4:15 PM  

See, if you're a wrestler, you've got to stop trying to get that in close grapple. When they are punching or kicking, grab that foot or leg, and take it from there.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 15, 2015 4:22 PM  

"When they are punching or kicking, grab that foot or leg, and take it from there."

Heh, obviously it took me a while to get over the whole getting punched and kicked thing. Fighting is a lot of controlling mental an emotional crap, but sounds like you more than know that.

Plus I'm a bit older and slower than I was in HS, by a few decades now.... although I really think I'm in better shape in many aspects now. 50+ me could definitely take on 20+ me, no problem, but that's now saying much.

Anonymous Bee November 15, 2015 4:36 PM  

@36,

I have done several web searches and have not found any evidence that Holm has a child. I did see one pic on her Facebook that shows her at the gym with a small child; could be her or could be a niece.

Can you provide a link?

Blogger Feather Blade November 15, 2015 4:46 PM  

@63 I thought all girls liked to wrestle? Oh well, maybe that's down here in the South.

Not everywhere has the right kind of mud for that.

Blogger rcocean November 15, 2015 4:52 PM  

sorry, I'm unable to take women contact sports seriously. But it this somehow shows, what any normal person already knows, that no female "fighter" can take on a a quality male fighter, than good.

I'm always shocked when I see men believing that some 140 lbs female can somehow take on a man weighing 160 lbs.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 4:57 PM  

That would be the media narrative. But I expect that many more people would feel nothing but contempt for her, if she were the one who demanded the fight (as this RR "woman" pretends to be doing, vis-a-vis some male boxer).

Sure, but I wasn't talking about what people would think of her; I was talking about why it's a sucker bet for the man. And the media's opinion and portrayal of you matters in a media-financed industry.

Imagine you're a young guy ranked #134 in your weight class, hoping to reach the top someday. You get offered a good payday to fight a woman -- but not comparable to what you hope to earn as a champ someday. You get in the ring and break her jaw, maybe her neck. Now you're known as "Guy Who Beat Up A Girl" for the rest of your career, which stalls and peters out. Your Wikipedia page from then on has one short paragraph containing your vitals and three paragraphs about the time you nearly killed a woman in a macho display of anti-feminism (or words to that effect).

I'm not saying you couldn't find a fighter to do it, if you paid enough. I'm just explaining why it would be hard to. You'd need a Bobby Riggs -- a guy who's about out of the game anyway, maybe a little desperate for cash and not picky about how he gets it.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 5:17 PM  

I said "pure wrestler vs pure boxer" and you counter with, “I beat wrestlers with my MMA training”…well, golf clap a guess, way to go, but what does that have to do with what I said about pure boxer vs wrestler?

Because most of the time, I did it with nothing but basic boxing-style punches. I wasn't going to give them the chance to grab my foot. Wrestlers don't avoid, block, or take punches well. They're not used to it. I could usually knock them down by the third or fourth attack. I only used a jujitsu move to take a wrestler out twice.

What I said is fairly basic and obvious. I am surprised you are trying to argue with me.

What you said struck me as ignorant and theoretical. Do you have any actual cross-disciplinary fighting experience? The fact that MMA tends to favor competent grapplers does not mean a good wrestler is going to beat a good boxer 9 times out of 10. I would estimate more like 6 of 10. I cannot imagine any wrestler of his weight surviving one minute against Mike Tyson in his prime.

OpenID rufusdog November 15, 2015 5:57 PM  

No, no formal fight training for me, other than handguns. I’ve been in four or five fights but would not count them as meaningful to the discussion.

My comments stem mostly from being a fight fan, watching the fights, and logic. I’ve seen so many fights where grappler X spent the entire fight taking striker Y to the ground and completely dominating. The strikers that had success against grapplers had good take down defense, scrambling skills, very rarely did the striker ward off the take downs with strikes. That’s what I meant by pure, the striker must have a clue about the wrestling (take down defense/ability to get up) to hang with a wrestler. A wrestler doesn’t have to know much about striking to win, an admittedly boring as hell, fight.

LOL, I think you are wrong about Tyson, he would get taken down and would quickly get frustrated and start biting or something crazy. Mayweather would have no chance, Tyson at least had one shot power.

What you are saying does not match the MMA I have watched. Strikers don’t counter take down attempts with striking, if they try that, bang, on their back they go…at least that’s what I observe.

Anonymous johnc November 15, 2015 6:13 PM  

@27 Steve-waa
In the picture above, Holly Holm's upper back, arms and neck look just like an athletic man's body parts. Why would a woman want to look like that? Why would any society want to make a woman look like a man? In fact, both women have upper bodies that look like an athletic muscular man.

That makes one ask the obvious question... if women have to take steroids to do manly things, how does that fit into the feminist narrative that women can do everything that men can do?

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 15, 2015 6:42 PM  

I don't like the way Ronda Rousy has been sold as "empowerment" for young girls. What's really being sold is not empowerment; it's brain damage.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob November 15, 2015 7:07 PM  

My favorite part of the fight was Holly's giddy, very girly celebration after the KO. It was absolutely adorable. Hopefully she retires as an undefeated champ, loses the hulk muscle, and makes some Preacher's Grandkids.

Blogger bob k. mando November 15, 2015 7:26 PM  

only posting this pic for the /pol angle:
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12227678_449634565246314_2303289359766342610_n.jpg?oh=24a74e0bc136247c98215dc05b807468&oe=56EE9743

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 7:58 PM  

@100 patrick kelly
"When they are punching or kicking, grab that foot or leg, and take it from there."

Heh, obviously it took me a while to get over the whole getting punched and kicked thing. Fighting is a lot of controlling mental an emotional crap, but sounds like you more than know that.
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Yep, one of the first things that I learned in martial arts is how to deal with incoming. Plus, you get to pay people to beat on you. One of the senior students when I first started used to say, "You're going to love getting hit in the head someday, or stop getting hit in the head."


Plus I'm a bit older and slower than I was in HS, by a few decades now.... although I really think I'm in better shape in many aspects now. 50+ me could definitely take on 20+ me, no problem, but that's now saying much.
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Me too. I've been on the shelf last 3 1/2 years dealing with cancer. But it's in remission and I have ideas of at least getting back into shape :P

Anonymous Ray Manta November 15, 2015 8:02 PM  

VD wrote:
Wrestlers don't avoid, block, or take punches well.

Usually I saw them stay just outside of striking range, then zoom in for the kill. Double leggers worked awfully well - a sprawl was necessary to deal with them.

I could usually knock them down by the third or fourth attack

How did you avoid the takedown?

I only used a jujitsu move to take a wrestler out twice.

I generally found them vulnerable to jiu-jitsu moves, since if they were pure wrestlers, they weren't familiar with them. They also had a problem handling guard position for the same reason. But the best guy in my BJJ class by far was a wrestler who had taken it up.

The fact that MMA tends to favor competent grapplers does not mean a good wrestler is going to beat a good boxer 9 times out of 10. I would estimate more like 6 of 10.

That contradicts pretty much everything I've ever seen. All the guys I've seen who can reliably defend against takedowns (like Chuck Liddell) had extensive wrestling/grappling skills themselves.

Blogger The Kurgan November 15, 2015 8:08 PM  

Joe Rogan is an idiot.
My favourite scene with him is when he accuses Carlos Mencia of stealing jokes and Carlos calls him a little bitch repeatedly to his face.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 15, 2015 8:10 PM  

@108 Whitey McWhite
I don't like the way Ronda Rousy has been sold as "empowerment" for young girls. What's really being sold is not empowerment; it's brain damage.
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I'm all for women and girls learning self defense. But MMA is a sport, and they train for glory and money. Better to send them to an actual self defense training that teaches them how to react in realistic situations like guns, knives, assaults, etc. Gun-fu should be a requirement for their training as well.

Blogger The Kurgan November 15, 2015 8:25 PM  

@vd & cataline,
It was master level *invisible* karate. You could not understand because you're not ninja level karatekas.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 15, 2015 8:32 PM  

I'm all for women and girls learning self defense

99% of that realistically is situational awareness - staying out of trouble. The idea that a soccer mom can take TKD classes twice a week and become an effective fighter is absurd on its face.

Better to send them to an actual self defense training that teaches them how to react in realistic situations like guns, knives, assaults, etc.

Unless they're selling them a bill of goods, they should let them know that the only reasonable, reliable defense in those situations is a gun.

Blogger VD November 15, 2015 8:42 PM  

My comments stem mostly from being a fight fan, watching the fights, and logic.

So, you've never fought a wrestler or a boxer, but watching television makes you more of a subject expert than at least two people here who have. That's certainly an interesting perspective. I said that wrestlers always overrate themselves, apparently others do too.

How did you avoid the takedown?

I usually just obliqued. No wrestler I faced had any ability to deal with my speed. On the two occasions I used the jujitsu move, they came in at the waist, so I let them drive me back without losing my feet and put them in a neck lock that forced them to tap out.

Blogger SteelPalm November 15, 2015 8:45 PM  

Before beginning, I should note that I was a former amateur boxer, competed in Muy Thai and BJJ in my teens and early twenties, was friends with a number of UFC guys back when I lived in LA County, and have been making a good part-time living betting on MMA for the last 10 years.

I was glad to see Ronda, who had become possibly the most insufferable athlete of all time (yes, worse than Ali, Terrell Owens, etc), finally get the comeuppance she so richly deserved. Starting shit at the weigh-ins, refusing to touch gloves beforehand, and a late punch after the bell to end round 1 was just further scumbaggery. Naturally, after losing, Ronda was on the edge of tears and refused to stay around for the post-fight interview.

While I agree Ronda took the fight lightly, and I CAN see her winning a rematch, there is no question she was also largely exposed.

Not just in terms of her horrid stand-up, either. The most shocking aspect of the fight was Ronda's inability to do anything in the clinch, and the fact that Holly actually took Rousey down herself. And not after stunning Rousey with blows, or with Ronda being over-aggressive.

No, Holly Holm literally walked up to Rousey, clinched, and took her down.

That's right; a lanky, 34 year-old ex-boxer with (relatively) weak hips and legs and no grappling base managed to out-muscle Ronda Rousey to the ground.

When that happened, I knew Ronda was toast.

Look, women's MMA sucks. However, with its level of popularity, it will be sucking less and less as time goes on.

Holly Holm not only laid out a blueprint on how to beat Rousey, but exposed her in every way. Exposed her crappy stand-up. Exposed the fact that her grappling is not as impressive as everyone thought. Exposed her weak chin. Exposed her questionable cardio. Exposed her inability to juggle her Hollywood/entertainment commitments with fight prep.

Even if Ronda adjusts enough to take Holly down in a rematch and armbar her, this absolutely destroys the Narrative of her dominance, and does not speak well for her future prospects, as better female fighters emerge. (Hell, even Miesha Tate might have improved enough to fight Ronda on even terms now...)

OpenID rufusdog November 15, 2015 9:37 PM  

“Overrate themselves”

LOL, always worth a laugh, yes, yes, because I have overrated myself, that’s got to be it!

Ha. Anyway, I still think you are wrong, I’ve watched too much fighting and am too objective to think otherwise. If I start seeing UFC take down attempts being stuffed by striking I will change my mind. My ego is not involved in my opinion.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 15, 2015 9:51 PM  

No wrestler I faced had any ability to deal with my speed.

I've watched whole boxing matches where one guy's main strategy was to get in close, but he couldn't because the other guy would tag him when he tried. I realize a wrestler can charge faster and try to wrap up, but that also leaves him even more open on the way in. I don't think people take that into account, especially those who were talking about Rousey fighting Mayweather and saying she'd just tackle him. With his hand speed, how many times could he hit her in the head before she could reach him and knock him down (assuming he couldn't dodge her)? It'd only take once.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 15, 2015 9:52 PM  

VD
I usually just obliqued.

Are you saying you just twisted sideways, and they went past you? If so, I have never, ever seen that happen, not with a wrestler practiced in the game. You either sprawled, or your ass was introduced to the mat.

No wrestler I faced had any ability to deal with my speed.

If they were competitive, they probably didn't get that way by being slowpokes with takedowns - that's a move they probably spent hundreds of hours practicing. And from the way the human body is constructed, it's effectively impossible to move backwards as fast as someone can shoot forwards. Or sideways.

On the two occasions I used the jujitsu move, they came in at the waist, so I let them drive me back without losing my feet

Only way I know of to do that without losing footing is the sprawl. That's a wrestling defense and the ones who got good at it had to practice it extensively.

and put them in a neck lock that forced them to tap out

I've tapped them out with similar moves, but from positions they weren't familiar with, such as the guard. Getting their back also works since classic wrestling trains them to do it but leaves them vulnerable to a chokehold and other attacks.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 15, 2015 10:54 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:
I've watched whole boxing matches where one guy's main strategy was to get in close, but he couldn't because the other guy would tag him when he tried.

That's a boxing match, where takedowns aren't in the picture. It's a whole different ball game when it is.

I realize a wrestler can charge faster and try to wrap up, but that also leaves him even more open on the way in.

Countless MMA matches have shown that it's extraordinarily difficult to handle takedowns with just punches.
Of course, in this case you have a relatively slow, weak person with grappling skill vs. a world-class striker.
He could simply get her with a Hail Mary punch in the first few seconds of the match and put her to sleep. It
has happened.

I don't think people take that into account, especially those who were talking about Rousey fighting Mayweather and
saying she'd just tackle him.


If such a match were ever to take place, I would strongly recommend that Mayweather get training on snuffing the takedown
with the sprawl and standing back up. He should also learn defenses against joint locks and chokes.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 16, 2015 1:05 AM  

@116 Ray Manta
I'm all for women and girls learning self defense

99% of that realistically is situational awareness - staying out of trouble. The idea that a soccer mom can take TKD classes twice a week and become an effective fighter is absurd on its face.
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Yeah it is and nobody said that. I said taking reality self defense.


Better to send them to an actual self defense training that teaches them how to react in realistic situations like guns, knives, assaults, etc.

Unless they're selling them a bill of goods, they should let them know that the only reasonable, reliable defense in those situations is a gun.
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Gun is great. What if she doesn't have one? I'm not sure you are aware of what I am talking about. Self defense for women will have a whole lot of escaping the situation as quickly as possible, not going toe to toe with aggressors.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 16, 2015 1:21 AM  

Were-Puppy: "I'm all for women and girls learning self defense. But MMA is a sport, and they train for glory and money."

Right.

Holly Holm seems to see herself and is seen as purely an athlete. Really, this is the brain damage industry, where knockouts are a selling point. But that's her business. She's not (intentionally) messing with the minds of a generation of girls, or sending them down a road that will lead them nowhere good.

Ronda Rousey seems to see herself and is seen as a social change agent. That is, in part, why she is a star and has gotten fantastic media support. She's selling a fantasy that the social justice warrior mass media wants sold. As Dana White said: this is a girl who can go to the toughest streets and beat down any man. Which proves that girls can do it. That's progress. (It's "progress" if you believe the lies.)

Were-Puppy: "Better to send them to an actual self defense training that teaches them how to react in realistic situations like guns, knives, assaults, etc. Gun-fu should be a requirement for their training as well."

That's all good, where available.

Where guns are not available, whatever is available must be taught.

Our race traitor governments are letting non-whites and specifically Muslims into our lands in nation-killing numbers, while the social justice warrior mass media demoralizes and demasculinizes white boys, and sells white girls power fantasies that regularly end in disaster. Our nations are being turned intro ideal hunting grounds for rapists and worse.

Needs must when the Devil drives. So girls must be taught to fight for their lives. But not to believe in a fantasy where they are braver and stronger than any man.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 16, 2015 2:09 AM  

Were-Puppy said (about women's self-defense):
Yeah it is and nobody said that

As in nobody ever said that? The proliferation of belt factories (aka McDojos) suggests otherwise.

Gun is great. What if she doesn't have one?

Most likely, she probably doesn't. It would be wise to mention it anyway, just for that extra touch of realism.

I'm not sure you are aware of what I am talking about.

I think I'm quite aware, thank you. And I have to tell you that most "women's self defense" classes are complete and utter horseshit. They give an unrealistic idea of the physical differences between men and women, and have little or no concept of how techniques can be reliably applied under stress situations. Hint : they have to be practiced over and over again with an actively resisting opponent, until you're literally sick of doing them.

So it's not real clear as to how you plan to address that defect. Just sending them to some local workshop at the Y seems likely to be useless at best, and counterproductive at worst in that it gives them a false set of their abilities.

Self defense for women will have a whole lot of escaping the situation as quickly as possible,

Better for her not to get into the situation in the first place and to make sure that an attacker doesn't have the privacy he needs to carry anything out. IOW situational awareness. Hang out with with the right people, and don't date assholes. Anything that doesn't emphasize the relative weakness of women compared to men is selling them a bill of goods.


not going toe to toe with aggressors.

Well one woman I was close to handled some guys who had burglarized her apartment just fine by turtling up and screaming her head off. Worked like a charm - they hightailed it out of there like nobody's business. Meanwhile the pepper spray she had was lying safely in her purse. Is that among the techniques they teach in the "women's self defense" classes you're touting?

Anonymous Ray Manta November 16, 2015 2:51 AM  

Whitey McWhite wrote:
Ronda Rousey seems to see herself and is seen as a social change agent.
Yet another queen bee who sees herself as a role model. It effectively underscores women's hive-mind psychology - they need someone to emulate or follow rather than come up with something themselves.

So girls must be taught to fight for their lives.
Historically, girls who have been in a position to fight for their lives have responded by dropping their drawers. See Rollo Tomassi's article for more information. http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/03/war-brides/ . Whatever the outcome of a clash of civilizations will be, it will be men who determine it, not women.

Anonymous map November 16, 2015 4:04 AM  

Just offering my unlearned opinion here.

It seems that MMA-striking is nowhere near as refined as professional Boxing. Boxers know how to hit, where to hit and they hit hard. Grappling may negate striking on some level, but that requires getting very close to your opponent. That puts you in range of a good striker.

If MMA-strikes seem to lose out, then it's probably because MA-strikers are not that good to begin with. Their hits are not hard enough to negate a garppling moves.

Holms has a professional boxing background so her hits are very refined and very powerful.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 4:35 AM  

YIH @31: My guess, she was assuming having the advantage from the different fight style/rules. In a quickly put together ''stunt fight'' it's possible she would have enough of an edge. Put a boxer up against an MMA fighter and the boxer will be at a disadvantage, they train, think and react as a boxer. They have little idea how to react when hit with moves that in boxing would temporarily halt the fight - or even cause an immediate DQ.

But that's the thing: she apparently didn't comprehend that her moves would literally have no effect on a mountain of a man like him. Or perhaps she knew that she was bullshitting, and just expected her audience not to catch it? I don't know which is worse.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 4:53 AM  

YIH @31 again: I suspect that if Mayweather were trained for a while in MMA he would flatten her just by superior strength, reach and ability to dodge/soak up blows.

Dude. Even I'm taller and heavier than her. Give me six months of training, and even I could leave her asking for the truck's license plate. Probably 80% or more of the guys here could, if they wouldn't hold back. My only real advantage in this scenario is that I resent female chauvinism so much that I can actually treat a woman the same as a man, and then all that's left is physics.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 5:32 AM  

Cail Corishev @38: The gap between reality and perception on the question of male-versus-female strength, speed, and toughness, even for people who know something about fighting, is astounding. It's like no one ever fought with his sisters.

I agree. It's bizarre. There is no comparison. A woman would have to be taller, heavier and/or have a lot more training just to make it a fair fight. Have other men not actually wrestled with a girl? Do they not understand how easily they could overpower one, even of the same size or larger?

I wonder how to quantify that. What would be the interchangeable metrics? An inch of height, half inch of reach, tenth of a second of reaction time, ten pounds of weight, and (beyond the basics) a decade of training? Or am I underestimating how much of a difference training makes?

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 5:43 AM  

Oh, and I forgot ask exactly how many extra points men have over women just for being men, above and beyond being faster, taller and heavier. We're also simply stronger pound-for-pound, and that makes a huge difference. I would guess five points.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 6:17 AM  

rufusdog @58: I would really enjoy seeing Mayweather get thrown into an MMA ring with a wrestler, it would be pure comedy, pick any elite NCAA wrestler at his weight.

If you believe in MMA, then you can't believe in weight classes. They're contradictory concepts, to want to see how artificial divisions stack up against each other in real life, oh except wait let's not. Maybe it makes for more interesting fights; but if so, then that's an implicit admission that the best thing you can do is just get heavier -- and to me, that is the point of watching MMA, to see what is most effective.

Grumble grumble /dinosaur

Blogger Daniel November 16, 2015 7:06 AM  

I always wondered why Ronda spelled her name that way.now it is obvious: Holm beat the H out of her.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 16, 2015 7:26 AM  

Ray Manta: "Whatever the outcome of a clash of civilizations will be, it will be men who determine it, not women."

I don't care.

Fathers must give daughters whatever protection is possible, including instruction. No other point is necessary.

Anonymous Paul Sacramento November 16, 2015 11:02 AM  

Ah, the KO. the REAL "anti-grappling", LOL !
Ronda overhyped herself and, as these things tend to happen, met a hungrier fighter and lost.
One any given day...
It would be nice if fighters would simply let their fighting do the talking for them but that simply isn't the case in this era of clowns over warriors.

I never really minded the old school "vale tudo" matches, even fought in a few when I was younger BUT the current UFC product is a far cry from that.

More hype than substance.

I am/was a 3rd Dan in Kyokushin, 2nd Dan in Judo, Purple in BJJ, former semi-pro in boxing and competed in Muay Thai and wrestling during my development years in the Martial arts ( been doing it since 1978).

UFC has become a joke of what it could have been and considering it appeals to the same fan base of WWE, well, enough said there I guess.

MMA has become a style in of itself, developed and trained for the specific sphere of sport combat.
In short it has become what it sought to dispel.

Ronda should have focused more on fighting and less on publicity and selling herself to the mainstream world.

The warrior mindset and the mercantile mindset to NOT mix well.
One of them has to go and it is usually the warrior mindset that goes.

Blogger Gaiseric November 16, 2015 11:24 AM  

It's funny that the conservosphere also thought they had a champion in Rousy because she supposedly refused to be the feminist victim or whatever.

Anonymous Anonymous November 16, 2015 11:55 AM  

Loved seeing that classless wench get wrecked!

Blogger Spencer Rathbun November 16, 2015 12:11 PM  

I've practiced boxing for the past four years. Now granted, I haven't seen many MMA fights, but saying those people know how to keep you off them with striking is a joke. Being squared up and throwing looping jabs will not keep a wrestler from taking you down.

Conversely, holding a proper boxing stance eliminates much of the problem from a takedown, and it gets worse when you jab correctly and move. Basically when you don't play the wrestlers game. What do you think a close in fighter is trying to do? Get that same distance as a wrestler. What's a counterpuncher doing? Evading the jab and throwing a punch past it. That's the same as if you were trying to grab the jab for a wrestling move.

Fighting a wrestler doesn't worry me. Fighting someone with more experience, longer reach, and heavier weight does. In which case I check if it's a real fight or not and cheat appropriately.

Blogger fisher man November 16, 2015 1:06 PM  

It was a joyous night. I watched the fights with a guy that fought a few times on the ufc. He was jumping up and down with excitement.

She is not well liked by a large number of her peers.

Blogger Eskyman November 16, 2015 1:46 PM  

Amazing that so many like to watch two females beating the tar out of each other. Very feminine, for sure!

Two guys fighting- well, that's been going on since the beginning of time; but I thought we were a bit more civilized these days. I suppose some get their rocks off by watching women smashing each other into bloody hulks, but I never realized it was so popular.

I'm wrong again! No surprise there.

Now let's see, what's the matter with dog fights & rooster fights again? Who's up for some bear baiting? Can we haz fights to the death, or at least serious dismemberment? Wouldn't that be fun to watch!

For some reason these two "women" are about as attractive as Bruce Jenner. No, sorry, "she's" more attractive. At least Bruce has a neck!

SMH. Don't care much for this brave new world.

Blogger bob k. mando November 16, 2015 2:15 PM  

127. map November 16, 2015 4:04 AM
It seems that MMA-striking is nowhere near as refined as professional Boxing.



uh, 'as refined', across the board? of course not.

"nowhere near"? bullshit.

Golden Glove boxers going into MMA is hardly unusual. Stephan Bonner, the losing half of the fight that 'made' the UFC ( Bonner vs Forrest Griffin ) was a 2x GG champ before going into MMA. Holm is, herself, a women's boxing champion.

does this mean that anybody in MMA can match up with somebody like Mayweather in a pure boxing match? probably not.

but it's real funny how almost EVERY TIME a straight up boxer comes into the octagon they get their ass kicked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Toney#Toney_vs._Couture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Mercer#Mixed_martial_arts_career
^ lost to fucking Kimbo Slice, who is bullshit at MMA


as to Rousey, now that i've thought on it a bit, i wonder if she's started taking drugs? from the out takes, it doesn't look like she was even really cognizant of what was going on in the ring.

that take down attempt that Holm reversed was complete crap. she didn't even budge Holm off of her base, Rousey just wrapped Holm's neck up and tried to hip check her ... and then acted surprised when Holm reversed it and threw her to the ground.

this is a high level judo player? seriously?

Rousey's always had the emotional maturity of a two year old, but that weigh in AND her behavior in the ring was something else.

wonder if Travis Browne ( some other woman's husband, that Rousey is currently fucking ) has her doing coke or meth?

Anonymous Paul Sacramento November 16, 2015 2:50 PM  

RE: Punching in MMA.
Punching ( and striking in general) in MMA is NOT like boxing or MT or anything like that because the venue demands the "launching platform" to be different ( to be able to address the takedown attempts).
It is MMA-style striking.
The issue is, of course, that strikes demand an "ideal platform" from which to be delivers to be as effective as they CAN be. MMA requires that optimal punching mechanics to be compromised ( sacrificed) so as to deal with the grappling aspects.
Now, what is clear because of this is that the best strikes in MMA all come from striking systems as their core skill set ( obviously) and what happens to others ( those with grappling as their core skillset) is that they learn to strike within a MMA context and thus, never develop striking skills to the same level as those that had it from the "correct" core.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 16, 2015 6:35 PM  

Whitey McWhite wrote:

I don't care.

Whatever gets you through the day - it has no relevance to what I said. The war bride feature of female psychology is well documented and part of the human condition. It manifests itself as Stockholm syndrome, in divorce proceedings (ex-husbands are often completely bewildered as to how their former loving wives could morph into completely unprincipled harpies), and the daughter who won't leave her thug boyfriend even though he beats her on a regular basis.

I'd go so far to say that Western civilization is going to have to come up with some way of dealing with the consequences of handing so many privileges to the sex that is wired by Mother Nature to always root for (what it thinks is) the winning team. That's if it wants to continue.

Fathers must give daughters whatever protection is possible, including instruction. No other point is necessary.

That they should, but should always realize the limitations of that protection. The scenario you brought up about "girls fighting for their lives" doesn't appear to show much awareness of that.

Blogger VD November 16, 2015 6:36 PM  

Are you saying you just twisted sideways, and they went past you? If so, I have never, ever seen that happen, not with a wrestler practiced in the game. You either sprawled, or your ass was introduced to the mat.

No, obliquing is moving sideways and forward. Neither one happened. But I had no problem dancing back from them when they shot forward either. They were, in fact, slowpokes.

If they were competitive, they probably didn't get that way by being slowpokes with takedowns - that's a move they probably spent hundreds of hours practicing. And from the way the human body is constructed, it's effectively impossible to move backwards as fast as someone can shoot forwards. Or sideways.

I don't think you understand. I was an NCAA D1 sprinter. Somebody with high school wrestling experience or whatever simply wasn't in my physical league with regards to speed and reflexes. That's also why I hit harder than people expected. For some reason, people get the M part of F=MA, but they forget that A is just as important.

Anonymous Ray Manta November 16, 2015 9:26 PM  

VD wrote:
No, obliquing is moving sideways and forward

Thank you. As I had stated previously, humans are much better designed for forward than lateral/backward motion. A wrestler who shoots in for a double-legger will squeeze both his opponent's legs together and drive his shoulder into it flying tackle style. Everybody who I saw deal with it successfully used some variation of the sprawl (lowering the hips and moving the legs back).

But I had no problem dancing back from them when they shot forward either.

Backing up faster than someone can move forward is practically impossible - note that nobody races sprints in reverse. I'm assuming two reasonably fit men.

They were, in fact, slowpokes.

I hope you realize how oxymoronic the phrase "competitive wrestling slowpoke" is.

I don't think you understand. I was an NCAA D1 sprinter.

And I'm sure you could beat them in the 100m. dash. But that wasn't what was being discussed. I was expressing some surprise and skepticism at your claim that you could easily handle competitive athletes in their own specialty.

Somebody with high school wrestling experience or whatever simply wasn't in my physical league with regards to speed and reflexes

So they weren't competing in meets and just had some high school mat time? If so, that helps explain a lot but you really can't call them wrestlers. The guys I worked out with were competitive at the collegiate level, and uniformly explosive masses of muscle with reflexes to match. The natural selection process of their sport ensured that.

Blogger fickbowt November 20, 2015 11:54 AM  

Marcuse wrote a book of criticisms against the Soviet system. It was called: "Soviet Marxism: A Critical Analysis".

Gramsci wasn't even part of The Frankfurt School.

Georg Lukács criticized The Frankfurt School calling them the beautiful and comfortable "Grand Hotel Abyss" which teetered on the edge of absurdity and nothingness.

...so who does that leave as an actual "Cultural Marxist"?

...Adorno perhaps? With his criticisms of pop-culture which he despised? Or perhaps Horkheimer who gave up on Marxism entirely?

The truth is that feminism, gay rights, civil rights, atheism and secular humanism all pre-date The Frankfurt School (which hasn't been influential in academia for 45 years now) and all these movements that get called "Cultural Marxism" have other sources, reasons and intentions behind their existence.

"Cultural Marxism" is a term for the true believers of Conservative dogma. One for the crowd, not for the individualist. One to rally the team, but nothing to wander into a debate carrying.

Personally I hope that conservatives try to spread this relic of cold war paranoia far and wide. It will do wonders for showing the world the nature of their ideology - "We may not have the answers - but god damn it we'll keep you safe from the USSR!!!"

Also - show me a corporation and I'll find the person there in charge of giving sexual harassment seminars. McDonalds and Coke both like to put blacks and asians in their advertisements as to appeal to the widest audiences of racial super-friends... but is capitalism being looked at as the source of Multiculturalism, feminism, or political correctness?

NO. Because it makes sense that companies would want women to feel comfortable working for them. That advertisers want to seem appealing and friendly to everyone. That religion is going to fall away as the world of science gains explanatory power. These aren't expressions of Marxist theory infecting our culture - they're functions of capitalism and good will. Plain and simple, but those who push this Christian Conservative conspiracy theory won't accept what I've said here as an explanation - because they are as much ideologues as a hardcore Marxist Soviet could ever dream of being.

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