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Friday, November 06, 2015

Your "Get-Out-of-Racism-Free" has now expired

Ben Carson's scheduled implosion would appear to have begun:
Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The academy has occupied a central place in Carson’s tale for years. According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.
This concludes this electoral campaign's scheduled "crazy no-hoper black Republican who rides cuckservative fear of being called racist to glory" ride. Please return your electoral support to the prescribed GOP-designated candidate.

I'm looking forward to hearing that Carson isn't a surgeon at all, but is actually a janitor at Mercy Medical in Baltimore.

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Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 12:06 PM  

Your sin will find you out and no mercy will be shown.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 06, 2015 12:07 PM  

I guess he thought his collegiate history would remain secret like that of a certain person's stint at Columbia as a taxpayer funded foreign exchange student from Indonesia.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 12:09 PM  

"I guess he thought his collegiate history would remain secret . . ."

Some Negroes are more magical than other Negroes.

Anonymous karsten November 06, 2015 12:11 PM  

The chimp out was inevitable.

Ah, the fruits of affirmative action.

Blogger Harsh November 06, 2015 12:12 PM  

If there's one thing I'm amazed that every politician hasn't learned by now it's that you never lie about military service. That shit always comes back to bite you on the ass.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz November 06, 2015 12:13 PM  

And this is why someone who has had their personal life well detailed for decades and is completely immune to any criticism is going to win the election.

And I ain't talking about jebbie or hil-hil.

Blogger U PC BRO? November 06, 2015 12:15 PM  

Hillary wouldn't let this stop her.

Blogger Groot November 06, 2015 12:15 PM  

Well, if it's time for confessions: I just type out "I am Groot" over and over, and spellcheck takes over from there.

Anonymous Leonidas November 06, 2015 12:17 PM  

The "full scholarship" bit should have clued everyone in from the beginning. Everyone who goes to West Point pays zero tuition (with the exception of a small group of foreigners who are allowed to study there and pay tuition based on nation of origin). You pay for it in years of service later. Bragging about getting a scholarship there is basically proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling November 06, 2015 12:17 PM  

Or the powers that be have corrupted West Point more than we think and know they already have. Which is hardly out of the question.

That said, his campaign is over.

Blogger Cinco November 06, 2015 12:18 PM  

This is unfortunate, especially for such a talented man. One has to wonder at the type of people that even run for elected office.

Blogger Anchorman November 06, 2015 12:20 PM  

I never understood why some folks who already have impressive accomplishments can't stop an urge to bedazzle their biography.

Who would give a hoot if he didn't apply? It adds nothing substantial to the stature of gifted neurosurgeon.

Pro tip: Next time, have Bill Ayers write your autobiography, like Obama did.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 06, 2015 12:22 PM  

I thought this post was gonna be about Carson standing by his belief that the Egyptian pyramids were built by Joseph as grain storage facilities.

I don't want that surgeon anywhere near my brain.

PA

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 12:24 PM  

Bragging about getting a scholarship there is basically proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Exactly right. There is a nomination process (by a state senator), and then West Point decides whether or not they think you're qualified to receive an appointment. After graduation you're looking at 6 years active duty.

ROTC scholarships are similar, but they are scholarships; scholarships which are 'paid back' with 4-6 years active duty as well.

Anonymous karsten November 06, 2015 12:24 PM  

"I thought this post was gonna be about Carson standing by his belief that the Egyptian pyramids were built by Joseph as grain storage facilities."

Indeed.

When it comes to brains and Ben Carson, "Physician, heal thyself."

Anonymous Ras Al Ghul November 06, 2015 12:27 PM  

"Hillary wouldn't let this stop her."

Easy enough to spin: "I met with General Westmoreland. We had dinner. He told me I was "in" for west point and that everything would be paid for at west point and that it was a good opportunity for him and the United States to have such a talented young man with such potential and a bright future. I even had a letter from him stating the above, unfortunately, as part of an archival process to preserve everything and make it readily available for such inquiries that I anticipated the press would have, said personal letter was scanned to my server, which recently crashed, through no fault of my own, and the intern, unknowingly thought that the original was no longer necessary and discarded it."

or shorter version:

"This is just the product of misguided and troubled individuals trying to distort my record on account of my race. I would hope that America had progressed further, but obviously more racial healing is needed and as a black doctor I'm the man to do it."

Anonymous A Visitor November 06, 2015 12:27 PM  

@3 Easy...no need to go all Orwell, heh.

@5 As time goes on I think we'll see a decrease, especially given all the veterans back from Afghanistan and Iraq.

@6 Would that include career government employees who have filled out repeated SF-86s that were hacked by the ChiComs?

@8 That is just as fascinating as the first 89 times you told me that. What is it with giving tree over here?

Implosion, eh Vox? What about Explosions!?

Limbaugh is talking about this right now.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 12:28 PM  

"When it comes to brains and Ben Carson, "Physician, heal thyself.""

He just needs to learn how to play his strengths. Political office, Egyptology, and college applications are not among them.

Blogger RobertT November 06, 2015 12:32 PM  

Too bad, so sad. This kind of thing is more prevalent than people may think, especially in politics. Although Carson made some good points, it was stupid to make false claims that could easily be checked. The good thing about Trump, on the other hand, everything about him is on the table. Every bad thing has already been dug out, stuck on a flagpole and waved for the world to see. What you see is what you get. As he says, he can't be bought, and he has no need to embellish.

OpenID frankluke.com November 06, 2015 12:32 PM  

The longer I think about this, the madder I get (and I'm not even a Carson fan). Hillary makes a career out of lying her pant suits off and she skates on everything. The pile of dead bodies surrounding her would have held back Katrina! Obama's records are sealed an ain't nobody leaking them. It takes him 2.5 years to find his birth certificate, and even then it shows signs of being forged. Kerry refuses to open his records and that's a-ok with the left.

Some are more equal than others.

If a leftist mentions this to me, I'm going to reply, "What difference does it make?"

Anonymous BGS November 06, 2015 12:34 PM  

That said, his campaign is over

He can still eat millions of dollars of steak dinners on his donors expense

Egyptian pyramids were built by Joseph as grain storage facilities. I don't want that surgeon anywhere near my brain.

I made it a point not to pee near certain urologists as well.

I never understood why some folks who already have impressive accomplishments can't stop an urge to bedazzle their biography

Sometimes people just maintain the lies they told before their accomplishments.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 06, 2015 12:36 PM  

There's also the strange story on CNN where he insists, contrary to his mild-mannered appearance, that he's an O.G. who tried to stab a guy.

"The vetting that you all did with President Obama doesn't even come close, doesn't even come close to what you guys are trying to do in my case, and you're just going to keep going back, 'He said this 12 years ago' -- it is just garbage,"

Which is true, but can't have come as a surprise after he saw what they did to Herman Cain, Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin.

Whether Ben Carson was a teenage badass or not, I'm not sure why you'd want to tell people during a Presidential campaign that you indulged in "stabbing, rock throwing, brick hurling and baseball bat beating" as a young man.

If I was running for political office, I certainly wouldn't want people to know about the time I got into a fist fight with a peacock.

Blogger RobertT November 06, 2015 12:38 PM  

Too bad, so sad. This kind of thing is more prevalent than people may think, especially in politics. Although Carson made some good points, it was stupid to make false claims that could easily be checked. The good thing about Trump, on the other hand, everything about him is on the table. Every bad thing has already been dug out, stuck on a flagpole and waved for the world to see. What you see is what you get. As he says, he can't be bought, and he has no need to embellish.

Anonymous Anonymous November 06, 2015 12:39 PM  

his records were probably shredded that's why they don't exist. isn't that sop for military schools? im looking at you rangers.

-AmicusC

Blogger The Deuce November 06, 2015 12:39 PM  

I like Carson for the same reason I like Trump: the penchant for saying things that are obviously true but violate The Narrative, while not giving a shit about the inevitable shrieking SJW outrage that followed. Didn't think he had a real shot, but a bit disappointed to see him go down for lying.

Blogger Anchorman November 06, 2015 12:43 PM  

Sometimes people just maintain the lies they told before their accomplishments.

True, but if your publishing a biography, you're at the level of accomplishment.

Red pen it.

I guess it really didn't matter in the end. The media will clutch their pearls at anything that damages a non-Leftist.

Blogger Timmy3 November 06, 2015 12:45 PM  

He can always do a Clinton. This is not true! This is not true! After further delay... This is old news! He eventually gets the nomination. This might not work for a Republican.

Anonymous Quartermaster November 06, 2015 12:48 PM  

@14

Each US Senator and Representative has a certain number of appointments they can make to the 3 major service academies. The Coast Guard Academy has a competitive application process. The service obligations used to be 5 years for each after graduation. It was the same for ROTC full scholarship grads. I don't know if the service obligations have changed in recent years.

Blogger jay c November 06, 2015 12:49 PM  

I'm not convinced that he was lying. It's possible he just misunderstood the appointment process at West Point and/or that the missing records actually existed, but are just missing.

OTOH, this was inevitable. Whatever his credentials might actually be, he's just not cut out for this arena. The only way to escape this kind of fall when SJWs run the entire political machine is to be so brassballed and bullheaded that you just don't give a crap. Jolly Roger in hand, commence to slitting throats.

Blogger FALPhil November 06, 2015 12:50 PM  

Carson was such a lightweight on things like foreign policy, and even worse on economics. It was clear from the get-go what he was and how he fit into the larger picture. White guilt, indeed.

Blogger Danby November 06, 2015 12:58 PM  

@Mockery Ninja Steve
I certainly wouldn't want people to know about the time I got into a fist fight with a peacock.

Did you win? Seriously, peacocks are nasty buggers. And much bigger than you think until they're trying to kill you.

Anonymous Scomo November 06, 2015 12:58 PM  

This seems like much ado about nothing. He was 'offered' admission and scholarship to Westpoint by Westmoreland and didn't accept it or even apply. Big deal. It is easy to see how somebody might describe this event in the following way: "I was personally called to meet one of the highest ranking officers in the U.S. military who told me I could get a free ride through Westpoint. Conclusion: I was offered admission to Westpoint." BFD.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 06, 2015 1:00 PM  

The Carson supporters could be of some use if they actually destroy more of the legitimacy of the Left media. But being cucks they will do the opposite

Anonymous Toddy Cat November 06, 2015 1:00 PM  

It doesn't matter to me if Carson is lying, or whether he met with the ghost of Erwin Rommel, who took him to a high place and offered to make him Supreme Master of the Universe. He's soft on immigration and anti-gun, and that means he's not the man for the job. Full stop.

Blogger Danby November 06, 2015 1:03 PM  

The Bush campaign has had this in hand for at least a year, whitch is supposedly 8 months longer than Carson's campaign.
Carson was both the designated Cain and the designated Huckabee this election. Give the Evangelicals someone to coalesce around, and keep the disqualifying revelations in you back pocket in case they get too big.
Looks like someone decided Carson was getting too big.

Blogger IM2L844 November 06, 2015 1:03 PM  

He's done. No big shocker, but the stench of left wing disqualify from this is also a little repulsive.

Blogger Groot November 06, 2015 1:07 PM  

Is a Bush in hand better than two hands in the bird?

Anonymous Athor Pel November 06, 2015 1:09 PM  

"5. Blogger Harsh November 06, 2015 12:12 PM
If there's one thing I'm amazed that every politician hasn't learned by now it's that you never lie about military service. That shit always comes back to bite you on the ass.
"


Always keep your DD Form 214.
Even if it has schools on it you never attended.
The form says I was there so I was there.

But seriously, keep and protect your DD Form 214.

Anonymous Roundtine November 06, 2015 1:10 PM  

This story doesn't so much reflect badly on Carson's character, as it reflects badly on his political acumen. I assume his campaign didn't hire an investigator to dig up all possible dirt on him to prepare for the media scrutiny. It's possible Carson himself never expected to win and was planning on raising money and being a political player, and therefore didn't do the initial preparation.

Blogger SS November 06, 2015 1:10 PM  

Wasn't going to vote for him in the primary or general and didn't expect him to make it as far as he has anyway. Who's the next runner up to rise and fall?

Anonymous Discard November 06, 2015 1:11 PM  

I don't want a Black President under any circumstances, nor a Hispanic, an Oriental, a Moslem, an Indian (dot), a woman or a homo. So, I'm glad to see him go away.

Storing grain in the pyramids? I'm doubly glad he's done.

Blogger Nate November 06, 2015 1:16 PM  

The guy is a seventh day adventist. The trainwreck was always inevitable.

Anonymous karsten November 06, 2015 1:20 PM  

"I don't want a Black President under any circumstances, nor a Hispanic, an Oriental, a Moslem, an Indian (dot), a woman or a homo. So, I'm glad to see him go away."

Nor, above all, a member of the ((((tribe)))).

Seriously. If you're to the point of considering any of these types as your leader, then you're already CUBAR (cucked up beyond all recognition).

Anonymous RejOlin November 06, 2015 1:24 PM  

"Whether Ben Carson was a teenage badass or not, I'm not sure why you'd want to tell people during a Presidential campaign that you indulged in "stabbing, rock throwing, brick hurling and baseball bat beating" as a young man."

All I can think about when hearing about thug politicians is Steve Sailer's constant pushing of the story about how Tim Pawlenty beat up a Manila pimp.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 1:25 PM  

Regardless of what you think of the man, his political acumen, lack thereof, etc., the fact that Hillary gets a pass is instructive to say the least. In covering her ass, she has on effect told us how inept she was at her job (not to mention she's not capable of telling the truth about anything) and she still remains a serious contender for the highest office in the land.

Good for evil, and bitter for sweet. Nothing else explains the lunacy and the absurdity of our times.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados November 06, 2015 1:26 PM  

Carson was the "safe" and "reasonable" anti-establishment plant to take votes away from Trump. Despite the MSM blasting about Carson getting ahead of Trump in the polls, it's clear that the internal polling for the Political Establishment is scaring the shit out of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

Look at how poorly this anti-Trump video was received. They were even actively trying to REDUCE the dislikes but it was happening so fast and too many people called them out on it to continue. The propaganda isn't working anymore. In fact, it's having the opposite effect.

Nobody is taking Carson seriously. The MSM is puffing him up, but nobody is impressed by him in reality, and it won't take much scrutiny by Trump or any real news rag to take him out of the race. Trump The Human Wrecking Ball is still on its crash course to DC.

Anonymous karsten November 06, 2015 1:28 PM  

"the fact that Hillary gets a pass is instructive to say the least. In covering her ass, she has on effect told us how inept she was at her job (not to mention she's not capable of telling the truth about anything) and she still remains a serious contender for the highest office in the land."

It's a truism, of course, to point this out, but here it is: the Left cares not a whit about the integrity of its leaders, to the point of being indifferent even to their being mass murderers by the millions. All it wants in its leaders is someone who will push their agenda. That's it.

Anonymous oddrobb November 06, 2015 1:29 PM  

His campaign did not admit the story was "fabricated". Carson never claimed to have applied to West Point. His campaign manager said Carson was offered appointment, which is in effect having your college tuition paid for, so its not far off the mark to call it a "full scholarship", especially when a vast majority of people have no idea how West Point admissions work.

The Politico story is a media hit-piece and its disappointing to see their bullshit regurgitated here.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 1:31 PM  

Prediction: Carson supporters won't care about this.

Blogger Giraffe November 06, 2015 1:33 PM  

Regardless of what you think of the man, his political acumen, lack thereof, etc., the fact that Hillary gets a pass is instructive to say the least. In covering her ass, she has on effect told us how inept she was at her job (not to mention she's not capable of telling the truth about anything) and she still remains a serious contender for the highest office in the land.

Leftists have no principles. There are only means to an end. She couldn't fit more skeletons in the closet, yet she's as popular as ever.

Blogger The Deuce November 06, 2015 1:34 PM  

Hmm, looking into this more, it looks like Politico lied, or at least stretched the truth, in their claims about Carson lying: http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro

Blogger Nate November 06, 2015 1:35 PM  

"Prediction: Carson supporters won't care about this."

Prediction: Ben Carson will now get the syndicated radio show / fox news show that he was looking for.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 1:36 PM  

" . . . its disappointing to see their bullshit regurgitated here."

The "regurgitation" simply confirms what Vox and others have been saying for a while: Carson will inevitably be thrown under the bus like his predecessors. Here is the first of what will surely be a series of shoves in that direction.

Anonymous Poli_Mis November 06, 2015 1:37 PM  

Please let Yeb be the next to quit.

Blogger HardReturn¶ November 06, 2015 1:37 PM  

The magical Millerite Carson as strapping young black acquaintance acolyte of Gen. Westmoreland sounds like Neil DeGrasse-Tyson's story as strapping young black acquaintance acolyte of Carl Sagan. A bit too much Paul Harvey "rest of the story" to the story.

OpenID genericviews November 06, 2015 1:38 PM  

For the record, I am a West Point graduate. One of the things I remember hearing OFTEN from non-graduates is, "I could have gone there".

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 1:38 PM  

Prediction: Ben Carson will now get the syndicated radio show / fox news show that he was looking for.

Correct. Carson never wanted to be president, much like Fred Thompson. Carson has repeatedly said that the only reason he's running at all is that thousands of people have asked him to run since his prayer breakfast speech.

Anonymous Chad November 06, 2015 1:40 PM  

@46

The video should shift the deportation crowd from 'put them on the first bus back to Mexico', to 'use a catapult to get them there'. Honestly that video has to be the most inept use of children in propaganda in history.

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 1:42 PM  

One thing that has bolstered Carson is he has become the de facto ''evangelical candidate''.
Chiefly due to the fact that the previous ''evangelical candidates'' such as Huckabee and Santorum now come off as something that was forgotten in the back of the fridge since...?
The reason Carson has been embraced by the Pat Robertson crowd is the fact that many have a black associate that personality-wise is much like Carson; soft-spoken, personable, no racial chip on the shoulder, in fact treated as 'colorblind'.
Focus on 'helping the good poor', Israel uber alles, complain about decadent Hollywood (while of course not mentioning who makes Hollywood what it is).
I don't think the goofiness (including this) will hurt him much among the evangelical crowd.
After all, they're pretty used to that sort of thing.
That is a weakness of Trump's, the perception that he is part of the decadent NYC culture. An understandable POV, IMHO.
Many evangelicals wish more blacks would be like Carson or Thomas Sowell, ect or like the happy, soul-filled 'black churches' that they visit on occasion.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 1:45 PM  

I don't think the goofiness (including this) will hurt him much among the evangelical crowd.

I agree. They're going to interpret it as an attack by the mainstream secular progressive media. They might even believe that it's persecution and is thus a sign that the devil is trying to destroy Carson.

Many evangelicals wish more blacks would be like Carson or Thomas Sowell, ect or like the happy, soul-filled 'black churches' that they visit on occasion.

Correct.

Blogger Nate November 06, 2015 1:46 PM  

"Correct. Carson never wanted to be president, much like Fred Thompson"

Fred may have been president if he hadn't gotten sick. Running for president while fighting lymphoma ain't easy.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 1:47 PM  

Fred may have been president if he hadn't gotten sick. Running for president while fighting lymphoma ain't easy.

My point was that Fred never really wanted to be president either, he only ran out of a sense of duty.

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 1:52 PM  

It kind of funny watching Carson's supporters trying to spin Gentle Ben's lie.

Anonymous Geoff November 06, 2015 1:52 PM  

Please return your electoral support to the prescribed GOP-designated candidate

So Yeb would likely benefit the most from Carson dropping out?

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 1:55 PM  

So Yeb would likely benefit the most from Carson dropping out?

Cruz

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 1:57 PM  

@64. Geoff

Isn't Rube-io the next human sacrifice for the ascension of Prince Jeb to the Cherry Blossom Throne.

Blogger luagha November 06, 2015 1:58 PM  

As people are saying, it's less important what the hit piece says than how Carson deals with it.

Of course the hit piece is a lie, a paraphrase, an exaggeration. That's its goal. It's goal is to pour the poison in your ear. Even if only a little gets in, even if only a little doubt is raised, it has the desired effect.

Trump hits back rhetorically, makes fun of the idiocy, turns it into a positive.

Everyone reading here should know that reciting the real facts of the matter (that Carson was the top ROTC cadet in Detroit and had the connections to go to West Point but went another way) is dialectic and won't work against a rhetorical attack.

The other answer, that the book was written by a ghostwriter who interviewed Carson and who misstated that portion in the tiniest way, is even crappier dialectic and even worse.

Our question is, what would be a good rhetorical counterattack? Probably bringing up his ROTC service as yet another positive in his life because that's the kind of uplifting thing his followers like, along with some kind of insult about the Politico authors not knowing ROTC unless they're trying to get it thrown off of college campuses.

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 2:00 PM  

@51 The Deuce:
Ah, that name rears it's ugly head again...

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:01 PM  

Oh my. The New Shiney has tarnished itself.

Just heard a report on the radio says Carson is admitting he fabricated the West Point stuff.

Blogger Nate November 06, 2015 2:03 PM  

"Cruz"

that's conventional wisdom but I'm not sure I buy it. Carson came off as such a moderate... Black Ned Flanders... I just can't see the people who were smitten with that going for a hitter like Cruz.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 06, 2015 2:04 PM  

In addition to congresscritters, the President makes some appointments as well from active duty enlisted Marines, sailors, soldiers, and airmen. However, Westmoreland could have arranged for an appointment... there's always a representative or senator willing to exchange favors.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:04 PM  

Our question is, what would be a good rhetorical counterattack?
The liberal lamestream media is more interested in digging up what Carson said in a twenty year old book than what Hillary's emails said about #benghazi.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:05 PM  

Just heard a report on the radio says Carson is admitting he fabricated the West Point stuff.

They're most likely reporting on the politico story.

Blogger Sheila4g November 06, 2015 2:06 PM  

I agree with Josh - this won't affect his support at all. Those Whites that back him (and they are pretty much all Whites, as far as I'm aware) do not support him because of his political acumen (none) or policy positions (anti-gun, pro-immigration, pro-black economic empowerment). Their support was, and is, predicated on their vision of Carson as a Christian Negro who's a Genius Brain Surgeon, and whose election would expiate all their White privilege.

The search for the magic Negro (or magic Indian, or magic Chinese) will continue, until Whites admit that only an explicitly pro-White candidate will have their interests at heart. For that to happen, the country's current level of dysfunction must increase to a level that affects each of them personally, and even then many are so far gone in their pathological altruism that they'd rather follow Amy Biehl's example than face the truth of HBD.

Blogger Atomic Agent 13 November 06, 2015 2:06 PM  

Rule #1 SJWs always lie

He wasn't accepted because he never applied.

“He was introduced to folks from West Point by his R.O.T.C. supervisors,” Mr. Bennett said. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in R.O.T.C. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

Mr. Carson recounted the episode of being offered a scholarship at various points in telling his triumphant personal story. (Technically, West Point does not offer scholarships; it is free to attend.)

In his recent book, “You Have a Brain,” Mr. Carson described how he decided which college to attend: “I still had the scholarship offer from West Point as a result of my R.O.T.C. achievements.”

More recently, in a Facebook post in August responding to a question, he addressed a question about whether he was offered a slot at West Point, writing that he was “thrilled to get an offer from West Point.”

“But I knew medicine is what I wanted to do. So I applied to only one school. (it was all the money I had). I applied to Yale and thank God they accepted me. I often wonder what might have happened had they said no.”

Washington Post
In his memoir "Gifted Hands" and in anecdotes about the offer, Carson never says that he "applied," only that some "scholarship" came his way after a meeting with Westmoreland and "congressional medal winners."

"I was offered a full scholarship to West Point," Carson wrote. "I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college, precluding my chances to go on to medical school."

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 2:08 PM  

@71. Stilicho #0066

As far as I know, a person must apply. They never just make an offer of an appointment out of the blue, like the text in Carson's book is suggesting happened. Also, apparently West Point has denied that any offer of appointment was made.

Anonymous JI November 06, 2015 2:09 PM  

I read that this isn't the case. Carson had been recruited during a period when WP was under pressure to increase the number of black cadets, and he was a bright, black ROTC student. The media has fabricated the story. That doesn't mean he won't implode, of course, as the US media hates nothing more than a successful black conservative.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:10 PM  

@20 frankluke.com
The longer I think about this, the madder I get (and I'm not even a Carson fan). Hillary makes a career out of lying her pant suits off and she skates on everything. The pile of dead bodies surrounding her would have held back Katrina! Obama's records are sealed an ain't nobody leaking them. It takes him 2.5 years to find his birth certificate, and even then it shows signs of being forged. Kerry refuses to open his records and that's a-ok with the left.

Some are more equal than others.

If a leftist mentions this to me, I'm going to reply, "What difference does it make?"
---

IMO, this was probably not a lefty, but a Cuck hatchet job. The Cucks probably are more worried about Carson since he's an outsider, non politician.

Blogger Timmy3 November 06, 2015 2:11 PM  

Here's another point of view.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/359961.php

"Yet Politico claims that Carson claimed in "Gifted Hands" that he applied to West Point -- which he never claimed. "

"In Gifted Hands itself, Carson makes it clear that he applied to one and only one college, and it wasn't West Point."

Blogger de ti November 06, 2015 2:11 PM  

"This concludes this electoral campaign's scheduled "crazy no-hoper black Republican who rides cuckservative fear of being called racist to glory" ride. Please return your electoral support to the prescribed GOP-designated candidate."

That's a thing of beauty. Haha!

Blogger Ostar November 06, 2015 2:11 PM  

So many people here state "SJW's Always Lie" (which I agree with) and then seem to want to take their statements at face value when an SJW is goring someone/something they personally have an issue with.

Taking Politico's word for anything is a perfect example.

Blogger The Deuce November 06, 2015 2:13 PM  

#49 Prediction: Carson supporters won't care about this.

Well, I can't speak for Carson supporters, but having read up further on what happened here and just how Politico has twisted the truth, I'm more inclined to support Carson than I was before. This is a classic SJW swarm attack on him, because he has a penchant for denying the SJW Narrative bluntly and unapologetically. They're going for the usual isolation tactic here, by trying to fabricate a "sin" that conservatives will find unacceptable, in order to wring ritual denunciations out of Carson's supporters and admissions of guilt from Carson himself, which will then be spun into repudiations of everything Carson has said and a reinforcement of The Narrative.

So, having seen it, I refuse to play along. Carson has his issues, but he's shooting in the right direction, so I'm going to stand with him.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz November 06, 2015 2:13 PM  

Well, I fully admit to having a trust in the politico story because it is suicide to falsify a story to this degree. I can see how there was some significant word twisting going on, and if indeed they misrepresented Carson's story to this degree...

I am now willing to bet that this contributor was a throwaway troll to plant a story in the internet's subconscious that, while factually wrong, was intended to poison Carson because it will now never go away.

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 2:14 PM  

@81. Ostar

Ben Carson has said repeatedly that he was offered an appointment to West Point.

West Point says they never made such an offer.

Either Ben Carson or West Point is lying.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:15 PM  

As far as I know, a person must apply. They never just make an offer of an appointment out of the blue, like the text in Carson's book is suggesting happened. Also, apparently West Point has denied that any offer of appointment was made.

Carson never claimed that he applied. He claimed that military leaders encouraged him to apply when he was in ROTC in high school.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:15 PM  

Ben Carson has said repeatedly that he was offered an appointment to West Point.

Can you link to some examples where he specifically states that he was offered an appointment?

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:16 PM  

So many people here state "SJW's Always Lie" (which I agree with) and then seem to want to take their statements at face value when an SJW is goring someone/something they personally have an issue with.

Taking Politico's word for anything is a perfect example.


Hehehe

Blogger Daniel November 06, 2015 2:18 PM  

If Westmoreland told him he should go to West Point, he was in. It is odd to talk about West Point "scholarships" and application fees (when West Point doesn't have any) when what Carson really means is this: "I did very well in ROTC and school, which made me a sure thing with West Point, especially after a scholars dinner with Westmoreland and other brass...but I was absolutely terrified of joining the real-deal military, so I became a doctor instead."

That's less inspirational, I guess. I've got no doubt Carson would have been eligible and accepted at West Point, but it is a stupid bit of puffery to suggest that he'd been accepted (and therefore "scholarshipped") but that it was moot.

But, I guess you got to pack those bios with filler, and "Here's a list of schools I didn't go to and why" is no worse than "a little blow" to fill it up.

These suits...they are empty. They should have let Trump ghostwrite their bios. At least he'd make up some outrageous crap.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 06, 2015 2:18 PM  

If nothing else, Carson can claim that since he'd already decided on medical school, he wasn't paying close attention to the mechanics of applying to West Point. The service academies aren't like normal colleges.

Blogger David-093 November 06, 2015 2:20 PM  

Yeah I'm not seeing what the issue is. I'm not a Carson guy at all, but this sounds like they're complaining about him not using the right word to describe a situation he knew little about. To a non-military person, it would sound like a scholarship.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 06, 2015 2:21 PM  

If you guys still want an SJW to go after there are 3 days left to deal with this one. You wont see many articles where queers admit mistakes with middle school kids..
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/four-days-to-save-the-kansas-teacher-who-stood-up-for-gay-kids/

"Tom Leahy, who teaches social studies at the Conway Springs Middle School in Kansas admits he made some mistakes....He made these mistakes because he was deeply disturbed by the bullying and homophobic culture he saw in his eighth graders. So he cut some corners and now his job is on the line.

Now Leahy has been removed from the classroom, and awaits a school board meeting on Monday (9 November), where he is being asked to offer his resignation."

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:21 PM  

If nothing else, Carson can claim that since he'd already decided on medical school, he wasn't paying close attention to the mechanics of applying to West Point. The service academies aren't like normal colleges.

From Gifted Hands:

"I was offered a full scholarship to West Point," Carson wrote. "I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn't really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after I finished college, precluding my chances to go on to medical school."

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:23 PM  

@44 RejOlin
"That pimp starts to jab at him, then Paw just reaches out and slaps him in the face. Right in the face, like you'd slap a bitch! "

This was my favorite part of the whole story.

This guy has some epic tales, wonder if he's related to Tiny Tim?

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 2:23 PM  

@85. Josh

Agreed, here is the text from the book.

"At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners.

Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going."

1. I'll have to double check, but I believe that Memorial Day Westmoreland was in DC not Detroit. Maybe the parade was in DC?
2. The last two lines are where I believe he gets into trouble. It suggests a claim of appointment without application.

OpenID dreadilkzee November 06, 2015 2:24 PM  

To be fair it's the recollection of a +60 year old man of his 17 year old self. The story is not a total fabrication but it does seem to have missing parts as pointed out in the article.

Problem is he is utilizing his fuzzy memory and trying to capitalize on it for political gain. He should have fact checked his narrative.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 06, 2015 2:28 PM  

While I am not in favor of another negro pharoah/president, fair's fair.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:29 PM  

Yeah I'm not seeing what the issue is. I'm not a Carson guy at all, but this sounds like they're complaining about him not using the right word to describe a situation he knew little about. To a non-military person, it would sound like a scholarship.

I'm not a Carson guy either, and I think this story is complete non starter. It's going to energize the conservative media against politico and the liberal media. It might even boost Carson's poll numbers.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:31 PM  

@48 oddrobb

His campaign did not admit the story was "fabricated".
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That was what they said in the brief radio report. Here's a link. I believe it's a hit job also, mincing over words.



Is my new shiney really tarnished?

Blogger Giraffe November 06, 2015 2:31 PM  

It might even boost Carson's poll numbers.

After I find out what it's about, I think you're right. It's going to come off like the idiots that went after Cruz for having his double barrel broke open over his shoulder.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:34 PM  

@58 Chad
@46

The video should shift the deportation crowd from 'put them on the first bus back to Mexico', to 'use a catapult to get them there'. Honestly that video has to be the most inept use of children in propaganda in history.
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The comment section on that one at brietbart has been Epic since early yesterday. Today they released another article where the thing that made the video, a Luke Sissyfag, was attacking brietbarts commenters BAHAHAHAAAAAA

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:34 PM  

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/06/ben-carson-west-point/

In an interview with The New York Times Friday, Mr. Carson said: “I don’t remember all the specific details. Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me – they could get a scholarship to West Point. But I made it clear I was going to pursue a career in medicine.”

“It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'”

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:36 PM  

@59 YIH
That is a weakness of Trump's, the perception that he is part of the decadent NYC culture. \
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This is my major hurdle with Trump. He is a Yankee from NY.

Blogger Giraffe November 06, 2015 2:36 PM  

So the Republican magic negro will come out of this stronger if it affects him at all.

Blogger luagha November 06, 2015 2:37 PM  

The Politico story says that Gen. Westmoreland was in Detroit for a Medal of Honors award dinner that February to which many luminaries of the city were in attendance - the top ROTC cadet of the city would be one of them and that's probably what Carson was referring to.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:38 PM  

@60 Josh
I don't think the goofiness (including this) will hurt him much among the evangelical crowd.
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The thing that I have personally seen damage him among Christians is when I mention he is a 7th Day Adventist. I don't really know the significance of that, but it seems a big deal that has caused a couple to immediately move their support from Carson.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:38 PM  

So the Republican magic negro will come out of this stronger if it affects him at all.

Yes. I still think he's going to have a Rick Perry "oops" moment in a debate and that's what's eventually going to sink his campaign.

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 2:39 PM  

@101. Josh

That does sound reasonable. He would not be the first politician to embellish the facts a little in a book.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:39 PM  

The thing that I have personally seen damage him among Christians is when I mention he is a 7th Day Adventist. I don't really know the significance of that, but it seems a big deal that has caused a couple to immediately move their support from Carson.

Eh, if they were willing to support a mormon, they'll support a SDA.

Blogger luagha November 06, 2015 2:40 PM  

@84 If Gen. Westmoreland shakes your hand and says, "You're young, black, smart, disciplined and will look great on our numbers. You're in to West Point if you want it, just say the word to me," has West Point made you an offer? Would you be lying if you said West Point made you an offer?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:40 PM  

@64 Geoff
Please return your electoral support to the prescribed GOP-designated candidate

So Yeb would likely benefit the most from Carson dropping out?
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I think if they were diggin him as an outsider, his support will go to Trump, Fiorina, and maybe Cruz.

If they were diggin him as a Christian, then his support might go to Huckleberry and Santorum (Is he even still there?)

Anonymous Dr. J November 06, 2015 2:41 PM  

I agree this sounds like a Cuckservative hit piece. It's the type of heavy handed, obvious ploy that would help a Yeb or Rubio. Since Rubio is the next magic minority available I'd wager someone is trying to pull Carson's support to him.

Based on the book quotes, I will also agree that this hit will backfire and garner more support for Carson in the end. Republican voters are rather feisty after the whole CNBC fiasco, and have less than zero trust in the MSM.

Anonymous Athor Pel November 06, 2015 2:42 PM  

"87. Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:16 PM
So many people here state "SJW's Always Lie" (which I agree with) and then seem to want to take their statements at face value when an SJW is goring someone/something they personally have an issue with.

Taking Politico's word for anything is a perfect example.

Hehehe"



Yes Josh, we are all so stoopid. We are sorry for being so stoopid in your presence. How can you ever forgive us for being so stoopid.

See everybody, Josh, he's smaata than us. I bet if we all get real quiet he'll bless us with his wisdom. Please Josh, bless us with you wisdom.

Anonymous The OASF November 06, 2015 2:43 PM  

This isn't nearly as funny as the organic chemistry test which magically granted him an A+

I laughed hysterically because years ago I worked with this little black man who was a "licensed engineer"... and he once casually mentioned at a staff meeting to not knowing that engineers had to do senior projects in college but magically got an A+ for doing one the semester before he graduated.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 06, 2015 2:44 PM  

Yeah, sorry, VD but I think you bought into a Politico story on this one.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:45 PM  

@74 Sheila4g

magic Negro

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The funniest term I heard for this was in NR a long time ago, the Numinous Negro.

Anonymous Dr. J November 06, 2015 2:45 PM  

Eh, if they were willing to support a mormon, they'll support a SDA.

Yeah - last I checked the SDAs don't wear magic underoos. Observing the traditional sabbath seems pretty reasonable in comparison. If anyone is aware of off-the-charts crazy in the SDA church, I'd like to hear it.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:46 PM  

Yes Josh, we are all so stoopid. We are sorry for being so stoopid in your presence. How can you ever forgive us for being so stoopid.

You may present offerings in the form of bourbon, aged steaks, or guns and ammo.

See everybody, Josh, he's smaata than us. I bet if we all get real quiet he'll bless us with his wisdom. Please Josh, bless us with you wisdom.

Not being from Bahstahn, I'm not wicked smaht.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 2:46 PM  

@114

What did VD "buy into" exactly?

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 2:48 PM  

What did VD "buy into" exactly?

Hopefully not CA real estate in 2006!

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:51 PM  

@90 David-093
Yeah I'm not seeing what the issue is. I'm not a Carson guy at all, but this sounds like they're complaining about him not using the right word to describe a situation he knew little about. To a non-military person, it would sound like a scholarship.
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This. It's a whole lot of nothing.

Blogger Dexter November 06, 2015 2:51 PM  

Many years ago when I was a kid, we had a black female housekeeper.

At one point she told us she was a doctor.

"What kind of doctor?"

"A doctor of cosmetology!'

She didn't say where she got her degree, but once I figured out that meant "hairdresser" I didn't need to know any more.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 06, 2015 2:53 PM  

SDA has some theologically bad beliefs, non orthodox.

Google, for one example: 7th day adventist investigative judgement

Blogger Dexter November 06, 2015 2:55 PM  

I'm not a Carson guy either, and I think this story is complete non starter. It's going to energize the conservative media against politico and the liberal media. It might even boost Carson's poll numbers.

But it does give the liberals another opportunity to bask in that glorious feeling of smug superiority that they love so much -- "wuh huh huh Rethuglicans are sooooo stoooopid!"

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 2:58 PM  

@108 Josh
Eh, if they were willing to support a mormon, they'll support a SDA.
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IMO that is one of the things that sank Romney. I don't know any Christians that bothered to vote because of that reason. That's anecdotal, but a lot of people didn't show up to vote from what I understand.

Blogger ZhukovG November 06, 2015 2:59 PM  

The SDA's started out kind of dodgy. Predictions about the Return of Christ that didn't happen, that sort of thing. But now their beliefs are pretty traditional for a Protestant Denomination and are better than many.

The only big issue is that they believe that the SDA church is the remnant church for the end times and all other church organizations (Baptist, Catholic etc.) are basically the Whore of Babylon.

They do make a point of stating that just because your denomination is a hand maid of the devil, you yourself maybe a member of the remnant and therefore saved.

Ellen White, their prophetess or whatever, made a point of stating that many people in other denomination are still true Christians.

Perhaps if we have a real SDA here they can clarify my quick and dirty synopsis.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:02 PM  

IMO that is one of the things that sank Romney. I don't know any Christians that bothered to vote because of that reason. That's anecdotal, but a lot of people didn't show up to vote from what I understand.

Considering that the billy graham organization actually removed Mormonism from its list of cults, I think that most evangelicals didn't care about it.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 3:02 PM  

@121 Dexter
Many years ago when I was a kid, we had a black female housekeeper.

At one point she told us she was a doctor.

"What kind of doctor?"

"A doctor of cosmetology!'

She didn't say where she got her degree, but once I figured out that meant "hairdresser" I didn't need to know any more.
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I once knew a Dr. of Custodial Engineerment

Blogger LES November 06, 2015 3:03 PM  

I am pretty sure that 7th Day Adventist eschatology says that the Mark of the Beast is going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Blogger napari November 06, 2015 3:03 PM  

Whether or not you support Carson I see no reason why Dr Carson should fold his campaign.
Simply do a press release about misspeaking, misspoking and misprinting a book and declare its time to move on. Doesnt even have to do anything except state he decided to choose a different path in life.
Mountain outa molehill over one foot note his book.

Anonymous Kyle November 06, 2015 3:04 PM  

Sadly, the Politico article wasn't true. From the Carson campaign:

“Dr Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.

He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission. There are “Service Connected” nominations for stellar High School ROTC appointments. Again he was the top ROTC student in Detroit. I would argue strongly that an Appointment is indeed an amazing full scholarship. Having ran several Congressional Offices I am very familiar with the Nomination process.

Again though his Senior Commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr Carson did not seek admission.

The Politico story is an outright Lie. Dr. Carson as the leading ROTC student in Detroit was told by his Commanders that he could get an Appointment to the Academy. He never said he was admitted or even applied.

The campaign never “admitted to anything.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/team-carson-politico-story-is-an-outright-lie/#ixzz3qk9hM22d

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:05 PM  

Simply do a press release about misspeaking, misspoking and misprinting a book and declare its time to move on.

What part of NEVER APOLOGIZE do you not understand?

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 3:08 PM  

"The campaign never “admitted to anything.”"

The point is here that none of it really matters. What matters and hat's telling, is that the attacks and hit pieces have begun. We'll see how Mr. Prayer Breakfast Extraordinaire handles the *pressure*.

Blogger Rabbi B November 06, 2015 3:09 PM  

"What part of NEVER APOLOGIZE do you not understand?"

Oooo, oooo, oooo, . . . . the *NEVER* part?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 3:14 PM  

We must get it through our thick noggins that we need to Double Down on never apoligize.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:17 PM  

From CBN's David Brody:

@TheBrodyFile just spoke to @RealBenCarson on West Point story: Says @politico "probably had the story already written." #BenCarson

@RealBenCarson to @thebrodyfile on West Point story: On Mainstream media."They’ll ask my Kindergarten teacher, ‘did I ever wet my pants.'"

@RealBenCarson to @thebrodyfile : “I was told that because of my accomplishments they would be able to manage to get me into West Point"

@RealBenCarson on West Point Story:Was told:"They would be able to manage to get me into West Point & that I wouldn’t have to pay anything”

@RealBenCarson to @TheBrodyFile on West Point story:Media "will go through all lengths trying to discredit me.I have the truth on my side.”

Does @RealBenCarson regret using words, "I was offered a full scholarship: tells @TheBrodyFile "That’s the way it was presented to me."

@RealBenCarson to @TheBrodyFile blames @politico on West Point story:“There was no application process.I never even started down that path”

Blogger dc.sunsets November 06, 2015 3:20 PM  

@74 so far gone in their pathological altruism that they'd rather follow Amy Biehl's example than face the truth of HBD.

Cuckservatives. Worse even than leftist Useful Idiots.

Politics will not avert what is already baked into the cake. It will be the steel in the spines of civilized men that determines the path ahead, and whether Western Civ has another ascent left in its fuel tank. "Teach the children quietly, for someday sons and daughters will rise up and fight where we stood still."

Blogger napari November 06, 2015 3:22 PM  


131. Josh
You guys know the difference between an apology and a press release.
I would prefer you didn't put words, that I NEVER said in my mouth or apply your own context to my statement.

Blogger Leebo Phillips November 06, 2015 3:22 PM  

This would be a good opportunity for one of the other candidates to hit the media just like Cruz did during the last debate. It will be interesting to see if any of them do.

Blogger Torial (#170) November 06, 2015 3:22 PM  

West Point characterizes them as scholarships: https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/662710104291045376

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:23 PM  

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/662699839168360452

Trump, taking breaking from @nbcsnl rehearsal, called WaPo to say today is "the beginning of the end" for Ben Carson

Given the yuge number of "this is the beginning of the end for trump" stories, probably not a wise prediction for the donald to make.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:24 PM  

You guys know the difference between an apology and a press release.
I would prefer you didn't put words, that I NEVER said in my mouth or apply your own context to my statement.


Look, misspeaking, misspoking and misprinting is going to be interpreted as an apology.

OpenID genericviews November 06, 2015 3:25 PM  

It is odd to talk about West Point "scholarships" and application fees (when West Point doesn't have any) ...

It's not odd at all, since a high school kid could not be expected to know the finer details of federal government budget authorities. it is perfectly reasonable that he would call it something that was familiar to him. In effect, every cadet at West Point is on a full scholarship.

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 3:30 PM  

@52 Nate:
Prediction: Ben Carson will now get the syndicated radio show / fox news show that he was looking for.
That was Herman Cain, he was using his presidential run as a campaign donor sponsored 'appearance tour' as a run up to a talk radio gig - which did work.
I don't see Carson as angling for a media gig the way Cain did - though I doubt he'd turn down one if offered. Say The Dr. Ben Show on syndicated regular TV or evangelical TV/radio.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 3:35 PM  

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/662672380561661952

"@Robostop10: @realDonaldTrump This is not good. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598 …" WOW, one of many lies by Ben Carson! Big story.

Looks like Trump is going to attack Carson in the debate next Tuesday.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 November 06, 2015 3:43 PM  

No one "applies" to a service academy, they apply to their congresscritters (or President in limited circumstances) and, if they get the appointment, are then subjected to approval/disapproval by the academy in question. In practice, most congresscritters screen the applicants pretty well to avoid the embarrassment of having one of their candidates rejected although it does happen sometimes. Usually a candidate who meets the minimum qualifications will be accepted by the academy. Congresscritters use those appointments as political favors when they can, and some unqualified candidates will be given a second chance via a year in the prep schools.

Like I said above, Westmorland could have made it happen. However, it doesn't sound like Carson ever took even the first step in the process and, if his account is true, merely had a conversation with the General about it.

Of course, even a generous interpretation of Carson's claim still shows self-aggrandizing exaggeration. Like the previous commenter above, I have lost track of the times I've heard "I could have gone there if I wanted to"...

Blogger Civis Silas November 06, 2015 3:56 PM  

Ben Carson is Herman Cain with higher taxes.

Blogger Matamoros November 06, 2015 4:00 PM  

@25

Trump is real, with real blue collar experience, military high school training, successful businessman, etc. Carson is largely affirmative action.

It seems he was inept as a surgeon - http://victorygirlsblog.com/tabloid-writers-find-malpractice-suits-made-against-dr-ben-carson/

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 4:01 PM  

Ben Carson is Herman Cain with higher taxes.

Not sure about the tax part. Remember, Cain wanted a 9% national sales tax in addition to income and corporate taxes.

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 4:04 PM  

@106 Josh:
I still think he's going to have a Rick Perry "oops" moment in a debate and that's what's eventually going to sink his campaign.
Reminds me of this ;)

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 06, 2015 4:06 PM  

Here is the real reason for this Politico hit piece.

Do you view Ben Carson as Trustworthy and trustworthy? Yes: 60% No 26%

Do you view Hillary Clinton as Trustworthy and trustworthy? Yes: 35% No 61%


I honestly have no idea how Hillary is even close to 35% Yes.

Carson's primary strength is his reputation for being trustworthy. That only takes one whisper destroy. I knew this was coming.

Anyway here is Ace's piece on this story:

(1) The headline is misleading. The Carson campaign statement does not admit he fabricated anything. Here's the statement: "Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit,” campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors,” Bennett added. “They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.”

(2) The lede is outright false. Politico's Kyle D. Cheney starts with this claim: "Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point." But no where in the piece does Cheney tell the reader where Carson made this "application and acceptance" claim.

(3) It is, of course, very easy to show that Carson never applied to or was accepted to West Point, if in fact he never applied. Thus, the entire piece hinges on this missing piece of information: where and when did Carson say that he applied to and was accepted to Westpoint?

(4) There is a lot of evidence that Carson never made that claim. Particularly, because in both his book and his speeches, he talks about whittling his options down to Harvard and Yale, and in the end deciding to apply only to Yale, where he was accepted.

(5) Carson's book does have a single line: "Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.” This isn't quite wrong either. Nobody gets scholarships per se to West Point; as a service academy, repayment is the term of service after graduation. But that's exactly Carson's point when he says he didn't take up the West Point opportunity because he didn't want the service commitment to delay his medical career.

In short, the Politico piece is deeply misleading because it misstates the lie that Carson supposedly told and mischaracterizes the campaign's response. I give it Four Cow Pies.



In case you are wondering. The answer is, no. I don't think Carson is fit to President, his resume is non-existent.

That doesn't mean I think his name should be dragged through the mud..

Anonymous Quartermaster November 06, 2015 4:10 PM  

@105
The SDA has taught some strange stuff over the years, and they still teach that going to Church on Sunday is the mark of the beast because the beast will require everyone attend on Sunday. They don’t think that applies now since the beast isn’t about yet, but the teaching is there.

Most of those that buy off on the "SDA is a cult" trash, are Calvinists who don’t look at themselves in the mirror. They accuse the SDA of doing with Ellen White exactly what they do with John Calvin. If the SDA is a cult, then all the Calvinist denominations are in the same boat.

The few that are not Calvinist, and think the SDA is a cult, have bought off on the smears propagated by Calvinists. It should be noted that there is a hard core of Calvinists (John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, et. Al.) that hold that anyone not believing as they do are heretics. They are some of the most theologically provincial people you could ever meet.

@116
I have known a number of SDA people, pew sitters, Pastors, Elders, and one Conference President (I think that’s the title), and sat in Bible Studies their leadership has led and have as yet to see anything “off the charts crazy.” Their founding in the Millerite Movement was on the strange side, but in fairness to the Millerites, they weren’t the only ones that got caught up in that mess, only the most famous.

@125
Ellen White’s foremost and most effective theological enemy, D.M. Canright, had known her and “Dad” White when he and “Dad” were the major leaders of the SDA denomination. The Whites and Canright were very close friends during that period. Canright left the denomination and wrote extensively against the SDA after he became a Baptist Pastor. He later went to Ellen White’s funeral and, in tears, placed his hand on her coffin and said “there goes a noble Christian woman.”

IIRC, Ellen White did say that there were Christians in other denominations.

@126
Billy Graham was heavily criticized for removal of Mormonism from his list of Cults. Most Evangelicals cared about that very much as Mormonism is a cult. Their view of God is utterly unscriptural.

Blogger Groot November 06, 2015 4:11 PM  

"Ben Carson will now get the syndicated radio show / fox news show that he was looking for."

The Late Show, with Carson. Has a ring to it.

Blogger jay c November 06, 2015 4:12 PM  

My first instinct was correct. This is just another example of SJW lies.

Still not a Carson supporter.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 4:15 PM  

It seems he was inept as a surgeon - http://victorygirlsblog.com/tabloid-writers-find-malpractice-suits-made-against-dr-ben-carson/

Did you even read your own link?

However, while Maryland court records reveal that Ben Carson has been involved in seven known malpractice cases, this number is not unusual for a neurosurgeon who has performed up to 400 surgeries throughout a 35-year career at Johns Hopkins. A 2011 study published by the New England Journal of Medicine reveals that about 20% of neurosurgeons face a malpractice claim annually.

The website Medscape Multispecialty in a 2013 report found that 40% of all physicians have been named in a lawsuit.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 4:17 PM  

Trump is real, with real blue collar experience, military high school training, successful businessman, etc. Carson is largely affirmative action.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/us/politics/donald-trump-likens-his-schooling-to-military-service-in-book.html

He arrived at the military academy — where tuition now reaches $31,000 a year — for eighth grade in 1959 and remained for high school. Like all students at the campus in Cornwall-on-Hudson, N.Y., he wore a uniform, participated in marching drills and was expected to conform to a hierarchy imposed by instructors. Despite sitting out the Vietnam War because of deferments followed by a high draft lottery number of 356 out of 366, Mr. Trump said he endured the rigors of military life.

“My number was so incredible, and it was a very high draft number. Anyway, so I never had to do that, but I felt that I was in the military in the true sense because I dealt with those people,” he told Mr. D’Antonio.

Blogger Anonymous Robot November 06, 2015 4:20 PM  

but I felt that I was in the military in the true sense

Hmmm, is that the same as Bruce Jenner always feeling like he was a woman?

Blogger Desiderius November 06, 2015 4:21 PM  

Not so fast:

https://twitter.com/morgenr/status/662699371541065728/photo/1

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 4:27 PM  

@126 Josh:
I think that most evangelicals didn't care about [Romney's Mormonism].
I agree, Romney was not a strong candidate, he was a younger, healthier Bob Dole who like Dole was rather indifferent about winning.
His theology was a minor point, people stayed home because he didn't connect with voters.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 06, 2015 4:34 PM  

Danby - I did not win, and found out the hard way that peacocks can still remember what you look like, even several minutes after you throw half a Mars bar at them.

Blogger Anonymous Robot November 06, 2015 4:39 PM  

Maybe he got a full scholarship to Brain Surgeon School as well.

Blogger Dexter November 06, 2015 4:53 PM  

Ben Carson is Herman Cain with higher taxes.

Jimmy McMillan without the awesome facial hair.

Also, McMillan actually served in Vietnam... or at least, he has said so and thus far nobody has proven otherwise.

Anonymous Viidad November 06, 2015 4:54 PM  

The SDA church strikes me as both female-driven and vegetarian... with modern Dispensationalist end times stuff and a good smattering of inconsistent application of OT principles.

For example, they'll have pictures of Jesus but won't meet on a Sunday.

I like some of their stands, however. And they grow great gardens.

Anonymous Viidad November 06, 2015 4:56 PM  

I have butchered and eaten a peacock before. Tastes good - like turkey, but dry. And yeah, they are mean.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2015 4:59 PM  

I have serious doubts about who was actually polling for him. My guess is only a very small number of even Republicans were suggesting they would vote for him, mostly Democrats crosspolling. Another Obama, yeah! How wittingly the polsters where? I'd have to say they were/are in on the charade. It's news, for those who care. Trying to generate real interest in him, if I think it has done just the opposite.

I wouldn't believe a thing that is written about him having any sort of favor. Next they'll be touting Fiorina. Any conservative going for her is not a conservative. Hell, that's how I finally decided that Neo-Neo isn't at all a conservative. Always suspected she was back on the bottle, that proved it. And her little Toto's, too. Refused to see the truth of Fiorina's incompetent CEO work as well. Jumped right back in to her old ways, and for the same reason... "because".

Any real support for either candidate is false. An attack on Trump, mostly, and the few reasonable candidates. Must piss them off that it's not even coming close to working.

Blogger napari November 06, 2015 5:08 PM  

The updates are out. Politco is a propaganda machine and Carson is will have Politico's head on a platter after pulling it through their a$$.
I for one am glad Carson has the moxie to hit back and not let leftists smear him out of existence like leftists did to others such as Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. Back then a lot of people didn't realize propaganda in the extreme was the leftists daily MO and offered reason only to be met with falsehoods.
That was then and now we know....SJWAL.

Anonymous daddynichol #126 November 06, 2015 5:09 PM  

Carson should simply state, Hey, don't take my word for it, just ask Brian Williams. He was with me."

Blogger Cail Corishev November 06, 2015 5:09 PM  

I doubt as many people would care that Carson might have confused "full scholarship" with "someone high up told me I'd be a shoo-in," if he hadn't been presented as a sooper-genius in the first place. Which isn't his fault, but means people will expect more accuracy with language.

Still, I'm trying to care about the boasts of a guy who was never more than a sideshow candidate, invited along to add some color (heh) and give people someone "anti-establishment" to crush on before turning sensibly back to Jeb.....nope, don't care.

I worked with a Seventh-Day Adventist once. Weirdest thing about him was that he wouldn't admit that's what he was. Seemed mostly Christian, with a few Hebrew things thrown in like the Saturday Sabbath and not eating pork. I didn't learn some of the odder stuff until later.

That was the same job where another guy told me he was Baptist because Baptist was the oldest religion, because John the Baptist came before Jesus. Yes, really. He drove an El Camino, though, so you can imagine.

Anonymous totenhenchen November 06, 2015 5:11 PM  

Everybody sing along now: SJWs always lie!

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro#.VjzrIHREiFg.twitter#pq=A9pN4u

Anonymous Discard November 06, 2015 5:23 PM  

43. karsten; I stand corrected. I must have been distracted by my hungry dogs when I failed to include "Jews" on the No Go list. My apologies.

Anonymous Discard November 06, 2015 5:29 PM  

What about Carson falsely claiming to have been a violent juvenile delinquent and his belief that the pyramids were built to store grain during the seven lean years foretold to Pharaoh by Joseph in the book of Genesis?

Blogger The Other Robot November 06, 2015 5:30 PM  

If the opposition feels that they must lie about the Magic Rocket Surgeon then they must feel that Trump is going to be a push over.

Blogger Ragin' Dave November 06, 2015 5:31 PM  

Never, ever, ever believe Politico. They're a nest of SJWs dedicated to promoting and protecting their masters in the Democrat Party.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 06, 2015 5:41 PM  

@172,

Taking that as given, why would they need to protect their masters from Ben Carson? He was never going to be the candidate they faced. I realize you can't expect leftists to make sense; but still, at this point in the campaign they should be boosting Carson -- especially if you believe, as leftists do, that a large number of Republicans are evil racists who would never vote for a black man.

Anonymous Oc Cult November 06, 2015 5:43 PM  

their masters in the Democrat Party

If only they had the Inverted Pentagram like the RNC has...sweet.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 06, 2015 5:49 PM  

@151

SDA was born out of heresy and false prophecies.

To the degree that an SDA member commits himself to some of the SDA beliefs, to the degree they are not Christians.

Nobody says they do not make good neighbors.

Blogger Doom November 06, 2015 5:50 PM  

Ragin' Dave,

Never believe ANY media. That includes FOX, and many blogs. Just... don't. Entertainment, but leave belief at the door and pick it up on the way out, suspend it while you read. At least with some, such as this site, there is an option to call bullshit, throw down, and sort it out. That, my friend, is as good as it gets. The rest are whores who sell whatever the highest bidder wants them to sell while depriving most debate. Actually, that has some truth even here, it's just that that is open to debate. Everyone has been bought. It's just a matter of who your master is. If you say it's you, you are the worst of slaves... don't even know it. Find out who you serve. It is easy. Who do you feel you may not criticize? That is your master. Yes, I know my master, mostly. Thankfully, He isn't worldly, and quite allows for tearing at the world, if not quite yet tearing it down. That is His job.

Anonymous 334 November 06, 2015 5:56 PM  

This is interesting.

https://youtu.be/nimoz3jnEKk

Watch your host desperately try to manage the narrative as Steyn talks up Trump and Carson's chances, and ask yourself if there's even a shadow of a doubt Hannity is totally in the tank to the RNC.

Blogger YIH November 06, 2015 6:17 PM  

@177 334:
Vanity looks like he's putting on weight.
Steyn: ''The 'margin of error' is in 6th place!''
He's right too, Frothy, Jindal, Graham and Pataki can't even break 1%!
Meals at McDetroit's and sleeping in one Motel 666 after another is gotta be getting old.

OpenID badventist November 06, 2015 6:30 PM  

The only big issue is that they believe that the SDA church is the remnant church for the end times and all other church organizations (Baptist, Catholic etc.) are basically the Whore of Babylon. Ellen White, their prophetess or whatever, made a point of stating that many people in other denomination are still true Christians.

It is a common belief amongst Adventists that all denominations will become the Whore of Babylon, including the Adventist one. When that happens, the remnant will be called out of those apostate churches. Ellen White supported this belief in some of her writings.

Blogger Steve Moss November 06, 2015 6:44 PM  

When I was finishing up my final year in the Marines (1988), I was told if I re-enlisted I would be put into the MECEP program (a commissioning program for Marine enlisted men). I had already finished a year in college, had a 1280 SAT score, and was a consistent 300 on the PFT.

I declined. But does that mean I lie when I say I was offered MECEP? Since I said no, I'm certain no orders were cut, etc.

Carson's situation is the same thing.

The story is a big fat nothing.

Blogger Jack Ward November 06, 2015 6:44 PM  

I will give Dr. Carson benefit of the doubt. Maybe he did not phrase his memory of those events accurately. Particularly if he declined the offer. All that said, I would never have voted for him.
I look to Trump as P with Cruz as VP. That would be the ticket that gets my vote. Maybe not all that much to vote for but, hey, something good might come out of it.

Anonymous BGS November 06, 2015 6:48 PM  

OK the part about not being able to be medical if he took a ROTC scholarship doesn't sound right, there are military doctors.

Ben Carson is Herman Cain with higher taxes. Cain's plan was 999 would you prefer the lower number 666?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 06, 2015 6:53 PM  

I'm pretty sure she prefers to be known as the Sex Worker of Babylon.

Viidad - all birds are bastards. I've ran afoul of peacocks, swans, geese, pigeons and parakeets.

Nasty, dirty, shitty, foul-tempered things, they are. I can believe the theory that they're descended from dinosaurs, because they're cunts. I think it was an ostrich that nearly murdered Johnny Cash, as depicted in this painting.

Alfred Hitchcock was right.

Blogger Brad Andrews November 06, 2015 7:03 PM  

SDAs do not worship on the Sabbath, contrary to popular belief. The Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, not 0:00 Saturday to 24:00 Saturday.

Doesn't matter much in reality, but they don't even live to what they claim to live to.

Exactly why were the Pyramids built? How do we know? Was anyone really there? Perhaps a secret news crew with a time machine? The Fantastic Four?

I have no idea, but not knowing means it very well could be something that sounds quite odd to most. Science makes up all kinds of things today, including historical reasons for things.

Blogger Robert What? November 06, 2015 7:09 PM  

I thought Obama was the "Get Out of Racism Free" card. Guess that didn't work out so well.

FWIW, Carson's campaign is saying that Politico is lying. Which I can readily believe. We'll see how it plays out.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 06, 2015 7:12 PM  

Brad - Exactly why were the Pyramids built?

As graves for royalty.

How do we know?

Cos we found the mummies and all their stuff that wasn't looted, and their inscriptions and scrolls that told us what the place was for.

Was anyone really there?

I've been inside the Khephren pyramid, and it's damned unpleasant. The shaft is both steep and narrow, and very claustrophobic. You wouldn't store grain in it, because there's just not that much interior space. It'd be like building the Statue of Liberty and then using it as a street light.

However, if you build The Pyramids in Sid Meier's Civilization, you get a free granary in every city.

OpenID tz November 06, 2015 7:14 PM  

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro
Even Chicken Hawking can see through this.
Note how no one will ask "where is Tajikistan" to any of the candidates in the next debate, but are worried about ancient Pyramid schemes (Instead of Bernie's).

As to Carson, I keep wanting him to say "Hello, Clariese" and remember the scene where that FBI agent's mind was opened by Hannibal Lechter. Trump's bludgeon is scary. Carson's scalpel is the stuff of nightmares.

Blogger JCclimber November 06, 2015 7:16 PM  

Speaking as an ordained elder in the Adventist church, perhaps I can answer a few of your questions about our "zany" beliefs. At my leisure, since the Sabbath will begin here on the West Coast in less than 2 hours and I'm still at work.

That said, Vox needs to check a little closer about this article, which is the usual MSM hit piece. I've read "Gifted Hands", seen the movie, and do not recall Dr. Carson ever making a claim to have "applied to West Point". Someone is putting words into his mouth.

I heard Dr. Carson speak at my cousin's medical school graduation ceremony in 1989. He spoke very, very well, despite having his speech interrupted by a Helicopter dropping off a patient on the roof of the nearby hospital.

Blogger Danby November 06, 2015 7:19 PM  

@184 Brad Andrews
Exactly why were the Pyramids built? How do we know?
Really? How about the known fact that they are big piles of stone with tiny passageways and chambers consisting entirely of tombs. That might be a small indication.
The Great Pyramid of Kufu could not hold a week's worth of grain, let alone 7 years.

I think it's funny that an Adventist would think this. The original Millerite prophecies were based on measurements of the Great Pyramid, in made up units (the "pyramid inch" = 1 year of the history of the world), and then superimposed on Revelations.
After the "Great Disappointment" the Millerites split into two branches. The conventionally Protestant became Adventists, the true cultists became Jehovah's Witnesses.

Blogger Josh November 06, 2015 7:27 PM  

Exactly why were the Pyramids built? How do we know? Was anyone really there? Perhaps a secret news crew with a time machine? The Fantastic Four?

ALIENS

Anonymous Discard November 06, 2015 7:39 PM  

BGS: Military doctors do not come from the service academies. The government pays your med school tuition and you owe them five years.

Blogger Tom Terrific November 06, 2015 7:42 PM  

It's funny/sad to read this post and all if the snarky comments AFTER finding out that.... Shocker if shockers!!!!

The Politico LIED!!!

Not just lied, but DAN RATHER-level fabrications!

But if course no one will apologize for jumping on the nigger-hate wagon. We were just EARLY. Soon and very soon Ben Carson will be shown to be as vile as all the mudsharks, chimps and jiggaboos we've been warning about!

In the meantime, remember, we're all God-fearing Christians here, standing up for the holy white race.

P.S. I don't support Carson for President. U don't think he has what it takes to lead us out of the socialist wilderness. I believe he is Jimmy Carter in blackface.

But I won't hate him just because he's black or a seventh day Adventist. He is a gifted surgeon who saved the lives of children. That's more than I've done. How about you?

Blogger Matamoros November 06, 2015 7:44 PM  

@154 I did. Just chose that one, as one that likes Carson, but is admitting reluctantly that there are claims and problems.

Here's two more that don't like him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/carson-sued-malpractice-times-surgeon-report-article-1.2388847

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/carson-sued-malpractice-times-surgeon-report-article-1.2388847

For more google.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 7:44 PM  

@143 YIH
@52 Nate:
Prediction: Ben Carson will now get the syndicated radio show / fox news show that he was looking for.
That was Herman Cain, he was using his presidential run as a campaign donor sponsored 'appearance tour' as a run up to a talk radio gig - which did work.
---

This is all bullshit. I listened to Herman Cain on the radio for maybe a couple years before he ever ran for president.
He was gonna get Boortz slot, but was put on hold when he ran for president. When it didn't work out, he got the slot. Cuckster Boortz was gonna retire no matter what.

Blogger Matamoros November 06, 2015 7:47 PM  

@125 The only big issue is that they believe that the SDA church is the remnant church for the end times and all other church organizations (Baptist, Catholic etc.) are basically the Whore of Babylon.

Not to mention another biggie - that they want the Jewish Sabbath instead of the Christian Lord's Day.

Blogger Danby November 06, 2015 7:48 PM  

P.S. I don't support Carson for President. U don't think he has what it takes to lead us out of the socialist wilderness.

At this point, I'd support anyone who had ever had to work for a living over the current crop. I mean, my neighbor is a dick, but I'd rather have him be president than hillary.

Blogger JCclimber November 06, 2015 7:50 PM  

@162 Viidad.
At the worldwide conference held every 5 years, with delegates from 168 nations present and voting, the world Adventist church voted against ordaining women as pastors. This has been pushed heavily by certain elements from the North American Division, where feminism has crept into some of the local conferences who are ordaining women at the local level.

Praise God, the vast majority of the church is quite conservative, and even here in California, there are many ultra conservatives who are working to limit their power and ultimately remove them from positions of influence. However, we are in the same battle as other organizations who have allowed SJWs to gain power through participation in taking on the thankless tasks.

It has been a long three year journey in one of my leadership positions to purge a particular church ministry of SJWs and feminists. We have explicit screens in place now to avoid hiring them (legally compliant since they work under a missionary visa). But it has to be handled with the support of the moderates, and it takes time to lead them to be bold for Christ.

Being a vegetarian is not required for church membership, nor is it some kind of test of your qualifications. I had a former pastor who ate pretty much every kind of meat.

Ironically, those who are not vegetarian are almost always the Liberal christians, theologically speaking by our church standards.

Those of us who are committed to the cause of spreading the gospel message are quite aware that what you eat is not going to be what gets you into, or keeps you out of, heaven.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 7:53 PM  

@162 Viidad
The SDA church strikes me as both female-driven and vegetarian... with modern Dispensationalist end times stuff and a good smattering of inconsistent application of OT principles.
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I worked for one of them when I first got out of college. He was an ex Marine, so that shined through more. But he told me some crazy crap about the end times that made it sound like it already happened.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 7:56 PM  

@165 napari
Back then a lot of people didn't realize propaganda in the extreme was the leftists daily MO and offered reason only to be met with falsehoods.
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Back then a lot of people expected the "october surprise" but didn't realize this stuff bubbles up out of the lefty swamp on a continuous daily basis.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 06, 2015 7:59 PM  

@167 Cail Corishev

That was the same job where another guy told me he was Baptist because Baptist was the oldest religion, because John the Baptist came before Jesus. Yes, really. He drove an El Camino, though, so you can imagine.
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Man those kind of guys used to drive me crazy.
*waves King James around* If this was gooood enough for Peter, its gooood enough for me!

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