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Friday, November 20, 2015

Root and branch

China is already fighting WWIII. So are several African countries. Europe will be next:
Chinese police have killed 28 members of a "terrorist group" in the mainly Muslim Xinjiang region, authorities announced Friday, in the bloodiest such operation in months and as Beijing denounces Western "double standards" in the wake of the Paris attacks.

The killings took place over the course of a 56-day manhunt following an attack on a colliery in Aksu in September that left 16 people dead, said the Xinjiang regional government's Tianshan web portal. One "thug" surrendered, it added.

It was the first official confirmation of both the attack on the mine and its aftermath.

Xinjiang is the homeland of the mostly Muslim Uighur ethnic minority, many of whom complain of discrimination and controls on their culture and religion, and is often hit by deadly unrest.

The assault on the colliery was "a violent terrorist attack under the direct command of an overseas extremist organisation", Tianshan said.

China's official Xinhua news agency cited a Xinjiang government statement identifying the attack leaders as Musa Tohniyaz and Mamat Aysa, both apparently Uighur names.

Friday's reports came after Radio Free Asia (RFA), which is funded by the US government, said that more than 50 people including five police were killed in a knife attack at a colliery in Aksu in September.

Earlier this week RFA cited government and local sources as saying 17 suspects, including seven women and children -- among them a one-year-old and six-year-old -- had been killed by authorities.
You don't have to like something to understand that it is inevitable. I don't like it. I issued regular and repeated warnings for 14 years in a futile attempt to convince the USA to choose a more civilized path. This is not what I wanted to see. This is exactly what I feared would be the outcome.

If you didn't want to see suicide bombings and massacres and little children being executed as "terrorist suspects" across the West, then you should not have permitted Islamic immigration into it. Mohammedans have brought war in their wake literally everywhere they have gone from the time their Prophet led the Al-Is Caravan raid in 623 AD.

And I tend to doubt that the Islamic State's execution of the Chinese hostage it was holding is going to cause much restraint on the part of the Chinese authorities.

The Battlefield of Order is over. This is 4GW. It's going to be considerably uglier than its predecessors, and this time, the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it.

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Anonymous Anonymous November 20, 2015 12:10 PM  

"You don't have to like something to understand that it is inevitable. I don't like it. I issued regular and repeated warnings for 14 years in a futile attempt to convince the USA to choose a more civilized path. This is not what I wanted to see. This is exactly what I feared would be the outcome"

I very much concur with this statement. their choice to ignore the obvious consequences of following this policy and the resulting deaths, including children, will be responded to with many more people giving not a single f$#k. they have bred the indifference many people had to the suffering that will come.

-AmicusC

Blogger LES November 20, 2015 12:15 PM  

The Uighers want self-rule just like the Jews and every other group.

Blogger White Devil November 20, 2015 12:17 PM  

And I tend to doubt that the Islamic State's execution of the Chinese hostage it was holding is going to cause much restraint on the part of the Chinese authorities.
But if you oppose violence with violence, you just make more violence! The only way to stop the fighting is to surrender harder!

... Any surprise people have advocated Germany hiring prostitutes to service the migrants to prevent rapes?

Anonymous The Obvious November 20, 2015 12:22 PM  

@2

I know what this is....

Blogger Anchorman November 20, 2015 12:25 PM  

the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it.

I think that's an important note.

During the Crusades, there was the push to reclaim and re-establish order. It was nasty. It was brutish. It was war.

The secular purges of the 20th century showed the probable outcome of culture classes without some over-arching Christian banner. They were wholesale genocide. They allowed and rewarded human experimentation. They allowed and rewarded horrific savagery on combatants and non-combatants alike.

Europe has become more secular, not less, since WWII. The savagery will be televised.

On a related note, how many have given second thoughts to Milosevic's campaigns in the 90s? He must be laughing in his grave.

Blogger Tom K. November 20, 2015 12:25 PM  

I don't like it either. What civilized person would. But reality often intrudes on our desires.

My concern is that a vigorous, but too soon response by the West might end up aborting the full-throated counter attack that is necessary to defeat the Islamic barbarians and drive them back into their caves for a hundred years.

But that is not likely to happen. Already, barely one week later, M.Hollande is talking about continuing the policies that led to the Paris attacks, because... "That is who we are!" Stupid is as Stupid does.

Tragically but inevitably, many, many more Europeans and Americans MUST die before Islam is clearly seen as the enemy and destroyed.

Anonymous Roundtine November 20, 2015 12:28 PM  

@2

The Uighers cannot maintain an ineffective nationalist resistance to Chinese oppression while simultaneously keeping out the effective jihadists. It is the same all over the world, look to Palestine, Lebanon, Eqypt, Syria, Iraq. Where there is not a strong (successful) secular govt to crush jihadists, they eventually take over.

Blogger maniacprovost November 20, 2015 12:31 PM  

people have advocated Germany hiring prostitutes to service the migrants to prevent rapes?

Just pay the female refugees to service the male refugees. problem solved!

It sounds like the Uyghurs have been in that region for quite a while, but there are other muslim ethnic groups as well. So you would think any terrorism is the result of more recent immigrants.

Blogger LES November 20, 2015 12:32 PM  

@7 You mean like Iraq under Saddam Hussein?

Blogger Anchorman November 20, 2015 12:33 PM  

So you would think any terrorism is the result of more recent immigrants.

The female suicide bomber killed this week was born in France, I think. Her parents moved there in the 70s. New immvaders move in and all that "magic dirt" was washed away in an instant. Jihadi born.

Blogger Dug November 20, 2015 12:37 PM  

It's going to be considerably uglier than its predecessors, and this time, the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it.

As a Catholic, let me assure you that His Holiness is going to issue a very sternly written letter in which he makes it clear that suicide bombing is "unfortunate". Granted, he will also say that refusing to take in muslim refugees is "utterly immoral and completely unacceptable to Christ", but I think the effect will nevertheless be considerable.

Blogger Rye Bread November 20, 2015 12:37 PM  

Tragically but inevitably, many, many more Europeans and Americans MUST die before Islam is clearly seen as the enemy and destroyed.

That depends on who you are talking about. For the SJW there is no amount of corpses (even if where to include a loved one or their own) that will convince them. Hope lies with convincing non-leftist that the longer you delay the worse the correction will be.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 20, 2015 12:42 PM  

"You don't have to like something to understand that it is inevitable. I don't like it. I issued regular and repeated warnings for 14 years in a futile attempt to convince the USA to choose a more civilized path. This is not what I wanted to see. This is exactly what I feared would be the outcome"

Agreed...my heart drops when I read the headlines now...but no amount of hand-wringing or attempts to understand our foe is going to change anything. The die has been cast. Did the US government exacerbate this issue with the geopolitical games? Yes, but it doesn't matter. The Islamist are marching on lands that are not theirs and they will not give quarter.

Anonymous RandyBeck November 20, 2015 12:42 PM  

And yet people want Guantanamo closed.

The Obama administration wanted two of its Uighur Guantanamo detainees freed into the U.S., hoping that would get other countries to accept others.

China wanted them all sent home to face justice, and interfered with Obama's attempts to send them elsewhere. One country that agreed to take some Gitmo Uighurs had to change their minds because of Chinese pressure. Sending them home might have been the proper thing to do.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 12:45 PM  

HBD science + the real world = partitioning geographically down to the seeds. This will be a total war at the level of the individual.

Anonymous Mike November 20, 2015 12:47 PM  

As political scientist Samuel Huntington observed in "The Clash of Civilizations":

... the relations between Muslims and peoples of other civilizations -- Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Hindu, Chinese, Buddhist, Jewish -- have been generally antagonistic; most of these relations have been violent at some point in the past; many have been violent in the 1990s. Wherever one looks along the perimeter of Islam, Muslims have problems living peaceably with their neighbors. Muslims make up about one-fifth of the world's population but in the 19990s they have been far more involved in intergroup violence than the people of any other civilization. p. 256.

Blogger Anchorman November 20, 2015 12:49 PM  

Can we send our "refugees" to France? Just start shipping our felons and call them "refugees."

Blogger Gapeseed November 20, 2015 12:57 PM  

OT (but not really) - Obama uses "we" in describing Muslim actions.

Anonymous A Visitor November 20, 2015 1:05 PM  

"Just pay the female refugees to service the male refugees. problem solved!"

@8 It reminds me of a professor in grad school who taught an entire crop of first years when I was a second year that wars happen because men aren't getting serviced. I weep for them (the students) wherever they are now.

"The female suicide bomber killed this week was born in France, I think. Her parents moved there in the 70s. New immvaders move in and all that "magic dirt" was washed away in an instant. Jihadi born."

@10 They had a good DM article linked on Drudge. She was quite the party animal, too.

"As a Catholic, let me assure you that His Holiness is going to issue a very sternly written letter in which he makes it clear that suicide bombing is "unfortunate". Granted, he will also say that refusing to take in muslim refugees is "utterly immoral and completely unacceptable to Christ", but I think the effect will nevertheless be considerable."

@11 and others I saw last night on one Catholic web site (possibly two) about asking whether the Pope would authorize a new Crusade. I doubt Francis will but the next one? Quite possibly! ALLONS!

@13 It reminds me of an Iraqi blogger I used to read. He basically said that he didn't blame the U.S. completely because what happened post-Saddam was going to happen. We were simply the catalyst. He was still pissed the U.S. didn't understand the undercurrents of Iraqi culture before invading. In other words, yes, the Moops are coming but the USG certainly accelerated it.

Blogger Ostar November 20, 2015 1:06 PM  

China as a nation has been fighting Muslims inside Chinese borders for centuries. During the 1800's, around 10 million Muslims were killed in three major conflicts alone (Panthay Rebellion, 1st/2nd Dungan Revolts).

The Chinese still remember what they West has mostly forgotten about Islam.

Anonymous rienzi November 20, 2015 1:10 PM  

The muzzies attacked a coal mine. A COAL MINE! Just how fu*kin' stupid are these people.

A giant country, full of iconic buildings and locations. Cities teeming with billions of people. Yet the genius muslim terrorists attack a coal mine.

We are indeed fortunate in our opponents.



OpenID RambleAround November 20, 2015 1:17 PM  

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/it-isnt-your-imaginationthere-really-are-more-mass-casualty-terror-attacks-2015-11-19?rss=1

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 20, 2015 1:22 PM  

If you find yourself on a small plane with any of the comedians that accurately described Cankles you might want to get off. Also don't fall asleep on railroad tracks next to them.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/11/clinton-goes-after-laugh-factory-comedians-for-making-fun-of-her/

Blogger luagha November 20, 2015 1:23 PM  

@21 Now now rienzi; they attack train and subway stations too. But you're absolutely right about the iconic locations.

Anonymous Cullen November 20, 2015 1:26 PM  

How do we "fight" "muslims"?

The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country

France has issues with it's muslim minorities for exactly this reason. And Belgium, and the Netherlands (all countries that have parties with a significant part of the vote that have a anti-Muslim streak to say the least).

Of course not all people radicalize to the extent of terrorism, but it doesn't take many. And the negativity people from these communities face every day, even when trying their best to integrate, can't be easy.

Unemployed disaffected young people with few prospects, particularly men, are a major target for radicalization. Working to make sure people aren't alienated and disaffected and lacking in opportunities is a good way to combat the radicalization of people.

Anonymous Nuttin to C November 20, 2015 1:26 PM  

linked on Drudge. She was quite the party animal, too

Must have been Atta's sister or something!
These rabid, terrorist, fundamentalist Muslims sure love their drugs and fornication and alcohol and jewelry, don't they?

Anonymous Rusty November 20, 2015 1:28 PM  

Vox, can you please clarify your last sentence? Are you referring to the Catholic Church's role after the fall of the Roman Empire?

OpenID basementhomebrewer November 20, 2015 1:33 PM  

@25 Cullen

No one here is impressed by your regurgitated BS. You clearly have no understanding of the history of this conflict.

Blogger James Dixon November 20, 2015 1:33 PM  

> And yet people want Guantanamo closed.

Of course people want it closed. How long have we been holding those people now? 14 years or so? If they're still a threat, kill them. If they're not, let them go.

Anonymous Wyrd November 20, 2015 1:34 PM  

You don't have to like something to understand that it is inevitable. I don't like it. I issued regular and repeated warnings for 14 years in a futile attempt to convince the USA to choose a more civilized path. This is not what I wanted to see. This is exactly what I feared would be the outcome.

Hate-facts. OMG. I can't even...wow, just wow. Why can't you click your ruby-heels thrice and clap for Tinkerbell like the rest of us to buy the world a Coke?

Blogger Anchorman November 20, 2015 1:35 PM  

Unemployed disaffected young people with few prospects, particularly men, are a major target for radicalization.

The number of terrorists from wealthy families (or, at a min, not poor) and who have degrees indicates you're not paying close attention.

Blogger Krul November 20, 2015 1:42 PM  

@25 Edward Cullen - "How do we "fight" "muslims"?

The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country."


We don't treat them like shit. If we wanted to do that, we'd make them live as second-class citizens, make them pay a special muslim tax, outlaw public displays of islamic symbols or prayers, and give them a degrading name like "dhimmi".

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 20, 2015 1:45 PM  

@14. RandyBeck

"And yet people want Guantanamo closed."

I do. The FedGov has no Constitutional authority to have bases anywhere outside the States in union. If war is being prosecuted, bases are part of the war being waged. But those bases are gone once war is over.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 20, 2015 1:47 PM  

Things are going to get monstrously interesting when 4GW takes high-tech turns.
We've seen 4GW. But we have not yet seen 4GW with force multipliers. The Islamic non-state actors have been very earthy and "analog" so far. They have a lot of bodies to throw at just about anything.
When things get really technical, get ready for a rough ride.

Blogger E. Burke November 20, 2015 1:56 PM  

If pushed, the Chicoms will kill and kill and kill without compunction until the problem is solved.

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 1:56 PM  

And yet people want Guantanamo closed.

I do. It's not constitutional and it's not necessary. There is no reason to take ISIS prisoners. We've seen how they treat their prisoners. No quarter is in effect.

Blogger LES November 20, 2015 1:58 PM  

World On Fire by Amy Chua

Amazon description:
"For over a decade now, the reigning consensus has held that the combination of free markets and democracy would transform the third world and sweep away the ethnic hatred and religious zealotry associated with underdevelopment. In this astute, original, and surprising investigation of the true impact of globalization, Yale Law School professor Amy Chua explains why many developing countries are in fact consumed by ethnic violence after adopting free market democracy.

Chua shows how in non-Western countries around the globe, free markets have concentrated starkly disproportionate wealth in the hands of a resented ethnic minority. These “market-dominant minorities” – Chinese in Southeast Asia, Croatians in the former Yugoslavia, whites in Latin America and South Africa, Indians in East Africa, Lebanese in West Africa, Jews in post-communist Russia – become objects of violent hatred. At the same time, democracy empowers the impoverished majority, unleashing ethnic demagoguery, confiscation, and sometimes genocidal revenge. She also argues that the United States has become the world’s most visible market-dominant minority, a fact that helps explain the rising tide of anti-Americanism around the world. Chua is a friend of globalization, but she urges us to find ways to spread its benefits and curb its most destructive aspects."

Blogger E. Burke November 20, 2015 1:59 PM  

I suppose the Muslim view is that the nasty little whore restored her family's honor in a final blaze of glory.

Blogger Danby November 20, 2015 2:20 PM  

@25 Cullen
How do we "fight" "muslims"?
The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country.

I'd love it if they attacked their own country. Problem is, they are attacking ours and France.

Blogger Chiva November 20, 2015 2:21 PM  

even when trying their best to integrate, can't be easy.

I know. It is so hard to distinguish those poor muslims from the evil and malignant Europeans.
/s

Blogger White Devil November 20, 2015 2:26 PM  

Cullen
The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country
Middle class muslims aren't being oppressed, no more than the Black Lives Matter kids are. Likewise, BLM has no clue about history, they live in a cartoon reality fed by their professors and tumblr.

Islam says Islam respects women, opposes slavery and is peaceful. If you believe them, no amount of tolerance and acceptance is going to make you see that these are lies.

If you just paid attention to what people do, rather than what they say they do, you wouldn't end up a terrorist or traitor. But thanks to identity politics, people in western countries seeking a special status identify against western culture and start fighting the society that keeps them alive.

As for fighting unemployment? Well, immigration seems to be the problem there too. Preventing alienation in communities? Maybe the bible shouldn't be banned from public schools and churches ridiculed as backwards, anti-human dens of stupidity.

But hey, a liberal didn't say it, so I guess it's not true.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 20, 2015 2:32 PM  

A couple notes on the Chinese:

1. While there is no hiding that they are royally pissed and acting strongly against their pisser-offers, you also need to read any official announcement with a fair amount of scepticism as to the details.

2. The Chinese are concerned about stability über alles. This goes all the way through the culture: a few years ago we were hosting a couple of Chinese high school students who were attending the school my wife teaches at. I brought up the subject of Falun Gong once, just to find out what their understanding was. Both gave very disparate and incoherent explanations of what FG was really about, but were unanimous in agreeing with their government that it needed to be suppressed.



Vox @ 36:

Agreed that Guantanamo is not inherently needed for this purpose, but surely taking of prisoners to get information is still warranted? Even if we have to go back to rendition because we're too squeamish to do a little waterboarding et al ourselves?

Blogger VD November 20, 2015 2:40 PM  

Agreed that Guantanamo is not inherently needed for this purpose, but surely taking of prisoners to get information is still warranted? Even if we have to go back to rendition because we're too squeamish to do a little waterboarding et al ourselves?

Don't need Guantanamo for that. You can put prisoners of war anywhere you want.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 20, 2015 2:59 PM  

I think that deep down, a lot of us have feared that this would brew into all-out war eventually. In which case Hama rules will prevail.

Blogger Doom November 20, 2015 3:02 PM  

The Catholic hierarchy seems to have chosen to surrender to barbarism through the school of theology that is in ascendance and has been for many decades. As with the rest of the West, it is rotting from the inside out, and at all levels. Whether it was the church that failed, or the state first, doesn't matter so much. Perhaps it as an agreement based on bribery, lust, and the rest. Both seem antagonistic toward their own. Both will, I do believe, be seen, soon or late, as the true enemy and treated as such, and cleaned or purged. I am not so worried about the church ending, it just has to be punished for it's sins. Scarified, I should think. Much as the state has even a greater need for such. Well, and the people who sold everything for almost nothing and are getting what they deserve as well.

Will the Westerners decide to live, or stick with the trough that will lead them to slaughter? I'm not sure the West can get back on it's feet. Too fat, bloated, and... yes... me to. I don't consider my heart condition as an excuse. Then again, I have done more to make way and prepare. If too I realize that as alone in that as I am... well... Not sure it really matters as much as it may seem. Still, better to prepare and lay away than to just bitch. Don't just stand there, do something.

Blogger LP999 November 20, 2015 3:10 PM  

Looking forward to more writing on 4GW from Castalia House.

4GW, young people of Europe and the rest might consider the eventual hand of China in matters as terrorism blights more lives.

Anonymous RandyBeck November 20, 2015 3:22 PM  

Don't need Guantanamo for that. You can put prisoners of war anywhere you want.

Quite true, but "anywhere" includes Guantanamo. The courts have already ruled on its legal status. They've all had tribunals, habeas hearings, annual reviews and a bunch of Supreme Court decisions clarifying what we can do with them.

They're much more comfortable there than in some supermax. Any city elsewhere would be crawling with protesters of various degrees of hygiene, not to mention being an inviting target.

"No quarter" is only an alternative in theory. Right now, it's either keep them (in Gitmo or some U.S. city) or let them go and pretend we don't have the right to take prisoners.

Blogger Gaiseric November 20, 2015 3:40 PM  

How do we "fight" "muslims"?

The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country


Thank you, Neville, for that GREAT advice that nobody has ever thought of or tried before.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 3:43 PM  

I do. It's not constitutional and it's not necessary. There is no reason to take ISIS prisoners. We've seen how they treat their prisoners. No quarter is in effect.

Yes. But let us also eschew paying cash bounties for "tourists." The way some people ended up being so-labeled was a sick joke. If someone's got a smoking gun in hand, shoot 'em. Otherwise, war simply turns into CSI Kabul.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan November 20, 2015 3:46 PM  

and this time, the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it
Whoa there Chief Stands-With-a-Sword.
John C. Wright may be Grand Inquisitor, but if this Heathen converts, it may well be to Catholicism (if for no other reason that the worst sinners seem to fill it). And if so, I will not need any Pope to tell me what to do.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 20, 2015 3:47 PM  

@25 cullen,
You are grossly misinformed. How people are treated has historically had nothing much to do with their behavior.

American colonists enjoyed a higher standard of living than did their UK counterparts, and Parliament bent over backwards to repeal almost all of the legislation to which colonists took offense, yet the Revolution went on anyway.

Warfare (2nd gen, 3rd gen or 4th) occurs when people are itching for a fight. Those who believe this process obeys logical and rational rules must also think that the DJIA can double, redouble, redouble ad infinitum as long as a few companies in it exceed "the consensus estimate" by a penny each quarter.

Blogger SirHamster November 20, 2015 3:52 PM  

The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country."

Applying the rule of SJWs Always Lie ... we need to treat them like shit so that they attack their own countries instead of us.

Sounds good to me.

Anonymous RandyBeck November 20, 2015 3:55 PM  

But let us also eschew paying cash bounties for "tourists."

The "bounty" meme is propaganda. It was started by their lawyers.

Yes, the U.S. paid for some detainees, but the payments were made to the Northern Alliance and the Pakistani government who'd captured them.

Anonymous Til November 20, 2015 4:20 PM  

Isn't it interesting how you automaticaly assume that the Muslims have good reason to be upset at the attitude towards them, but automatically assume the exact opposite of the native people. Funny how you don't mention Muslim prejudices and assume they are "trying their best to integrate" [Citation Needed]

Beat it, Cuck. Your idealist fantasies are dead. They never existed.

Borders. Language. Culture. Get used to it.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum November 20, 2015 4:30 PM  

Imagine hundreds of millions of muslim teenagers telling their parents, "Why should I pray facing mecca? It's been destroyed." or "Why should I be a muslim? The hajj is impossible now that mecca is uninhabitable."

It's "the five pillars of islam", two of pillars involve mecca. Without mecca, islam will collapse.

And nuking mecca is where this who mess is heading.

And it will happen this century.

Either America (or some other nation) nukes mecca, erasing it from the map, or they submit to islam. Those are the choices.

What the North did to the South in the 19th century, and what America did to Germany and Japan in the 20th century, is what America (Or Russia, or China, or some other nation that has the balls to survive) will ultimately do to "the ummah" in the 21st century.

I don't want to see millions of innocent muslims swept away in the blink of an eye, but they're quickly not giving the civilized world much choice in the matter. All those Germans who didn't do anything to stop the nazis paid the price. All those Japanese who didn't stop Hirohito and Tojo paid the price.

If you would've told someone in 1813 that a child born in Georgia would live to see Yankee soldiers marching through it, leaving it in smoldering ruins in a few short decades, they'd laugh at you.

If you would've told someone in 1913 that Dresden, Germany would look like the surface of the Moon, and if you told a Japanese man that Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be blasted away with a single bomb in a few short decades, they'd laugh at you.

I fully expect people to laugh at me.

Anonymous Discard November 20, 2015 4:35 PM  

37. LES: I read "World on Fire". Interesting, but Amy Chua has an agenda. She denies that the U.S. has a market dominant minority. She, unsurprisingly, is married to a member of this non-existent market dominant minority. Her book's point is that democracy should be limited so that majorities don't kill their alien masters. Spreading the benefits of globalization to her means giving local elites a cut so that they don't kill her kind.

Blogger Matamoros November 20, 2015 5:07 PM  

Interesting article:

Putin ‘Played No Less Role’ in Creation of ISIS than Stalin did in Rise of Nazis, Shmulyevich Says

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2015/11/putin-played-no-less-role-in-creation.html

It's going to be considerably uglier than its predecessors, and this time, the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it.

I'm hoping Cardinal Burke is elected the next Pope. Then you will see a mighty resurgence of Christian Resistance.

@27 and this time, the Catholic Church is in no position to mitigate it.

The Popes both called Christendom to Crusade, and also mitigated its effects both in Europe and in the Levant but determining what proper behavior was and how the conquered muslim populace must be treated.

As we are now in post-civilization mode, it will have to be seen if there are any civilized restrictions upon the West as they pay back the muzzies for what they have wrought.

@45 The Catholic hierarchy seems to have chosen to surrender to barbarism through the school of theology that is in ascendance and has been for many decades.

They are rapidly dying out and a restoration of traditional Catholic teaching is in the process. That will in turn result in a traditional defense of Christian lands.

Anonymous Reader November 20, 2015 5:10 PM  

@25Of course not all people radicalize to the extent of terrorism, but it doesn't take many. And the negativity people from these communities face every day, even when trying their best to integrate, can't be easy.

Unemployed disaffected young people with few prospects, particularly men, are a major target for radicalization. Working to make sure people aren't alienated and disaffected and lacking in opportunities is a good way to combat the radicalization of people.


I disagree. Not my experience in Aus. They want it their way. Think about Halal meat/products ( taxed and prayed over) (I one time even bought a halal chocolate bar unknowingly. Halal choc bar???) Women wearing cover from head to toe even in sweltering heat. They really want to integrate, right?

I don't buy that bullshit about being alienated/disenfranchised/unemployed. At least in Aus, the young people that got involved in terrorism, came from families living the good life. Also, our social safety net is much better than in many countries, including the U.S.

Anonymous Angry November 20, 2015 5:21 PM  

Look, people, the Muslim may be an enemy but he is not a threat. All that is needed for Europe and America to secure itself from Islamic terrorism is to simply not let Muslims into the country in the first place and repatriate those that are here. Without the physical presence of Muslims in these countries, the threat of some Islamic 4GW warfare against us drops to zero.

The problem is that the liberal Cullens of the world are actively aiding and abetting the Islamic invasion of the West. They are using government to smooth the path of entry for these jihadis and then they are using media to lecture the rest of us about our objections. The Left is the real enemy and security against the Muslims will never be achieved until the Left is dealt with.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 5:49 PM  

Us White privilege drama queens need to understand that more people die every year of old age in nursing homes than from militant Islam. I'm proposing a ban on old age and nursing homes. What the West needs now is beer, circuses and a presidential campaign. Bubble gum and bailing wire can get us out of this!

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 5:51 PM  

touche @58. It is an absolute impossibility to integrate rabid self segregators. It's an intellectual logical impossibility.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 6:00 PM  

It's like one of those grand cognitive dissonance thingys.
Hillary or the Kenyan could put their hand on a bible and take an oath of office, using the bible as a testament of integrity, a witness of the eternal unchangeable good etc.

but if they took a page out of that bible, chiseled it into granite and affixed it into the wall of the court house or erected it on the lawns infront of the building that would be an 'infringement of people's rights' or a breach of separation of church and state.

There is a hypocrisy that runs so deep that words don't quite fit.

A bible contradicts a qur'an in absolute terms. Perfectly mutually exclusive claims.y

Mututally exclusive terms or demands, demand the dismissal of one or the other.

heads on the sand, bums in the air doesn't cut it as a policy towards God.

Blogger Anthony November 20, 2015 6:49 PM  

@14 re: Guantanamo: I saw it suggested somewhere that back in about 2007 or so, we should have just released all the remaining prisoners. Put them on planes back to their home countries, or Pakistan, and announced that we were releasing them because they were no longer providing us with useful intelligence. Basically implying that every one of them had sung like a bird for us.

To really make sure, we could announce names and landing places, and some details of the information they'd provided. Whether or not they actually had told us anything...

Blogger John rockwell November 20, 2015 7:02 PM  

@White Devil

There is some truth to: "violence breeds violence" given the fact that the cycles of revenge will continue as long as one hostile or both hostile parties remain standing.

Either complete annihilation of the other or the making of peace treaty will violence cease.

Else Assassinations and tit and tat deaths will never end.

Blogger The Other Robot November 20, 2015 7:32 PM  

There is some truth to: "violence breeds violence" given the fact that the cycles of revenge will continue as long as one hostile or both hostile parties remain standing.


Ummm, no.

In honor cultures you have to be prepared to respond to violence with violence, or you and your family are dead!

Blogger The Other Robot November 20, 2015 7:32 PM  

There is some truth to: "violence breeds violence" given the fact that the cycles of revenge will continue as long as one hostile or both hostile parties remain standing.


Ummm, no.

In honor cultures you have to be prepared to respond to violence with violence, or you and your family are dead!

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 7:34 PM  

a blipvert on dialogue. "faint praise is most damning", golf claps do more to undermine a leadership or relationship than passionate denunciations.

Multiculturalism is death to humanity because it says what you really believe, specifically, doesn't matter; it is all relative and part of the rich tapestry, diversity and broad spectrum of opinions. ie. If you think that statement is a crock of shit, "I don't care, because it is what I am running with". Absolutes are absolutely banned. Any 'perfectly true thing' is relegated to unimportant opinion. It is schizophrenia. A broken mind.

The reason I say this is Jesus and Muhammad can not both be right. A multiculturalist and mono culturalist cannot both be right. Polite faint praise, golf claps and overtures of respect don't work. If you want me to believe you respect my opinion take them seriously.

Telling a muslim you think his belief system is a crock of shit leaves him with no doubt you respect his humanity, the working of his mind, his state of being. A failure to judge, does not.

a blipvert at the end of the universe.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 November 20, 2015 8:02 PM  

@55 & @59

Let's vote on the best of the thread. Is it 55 Credo in Unum Deum, or 59 Angry? Both are great!

Anonymous Dulles Bros November 20, 2015 8:25 PM  

The problem is that the liberal Cullens of the world are actively aiding and abetting the Islamic invasion of the West

Yet the Globalists themselves do not practice Marxism, but simply wish for you to embrace it like your "liberals" do. Islam only has the power and influence and subsequent threat that White Euro East India Co Globalists allow them to. Purposefully. They are not enablers, they are the instigators.

Your Dem and Repub US voting friends, neighbors, family members, and enemies have no real power whatsoever. Blacks have no power. Mexicans have no power. Arab Muslims have no power.
They dance to the Piper's tune.
You're ignoring the traitorous and treasonous and financial money changer Piper - the one with the real power - and the one with the Intel Agencies.

Blogger Harsh November 20, 2015 9:03 PM  

The solution to that would seem obvious: maybe don't treat them like shit so they can be convinced to attack their own country

That's the dumbest shit I've read around here in a long time.

Blogger The Other Robot November 20, 2015 10:27 PM  

Some poles seem unhappy with Eskimos.

Perhaps they fondly remember those tax farming Eskimos.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 10:37 PM  

I've noticed about Islamophobia that it really is untreatable. Since there is no cure and the condition is so wide spread, I reason the most humane action to take is to ban Islam for the sake of all those millions of people suffering from Islamophobia. I know a lot of you will say that I am caving into the demands of racists and xenophobes but I'm also thinking of this in terms of a cost effective public health policy. The cost of mass medicating, hospitalizing and quarantining millions of refractory cases of Islamophobia would put an unacceptable burden on an our otherwise robust economy.

I know it took a long time to get cigarettes out of public spaces and off aeroplanes etc but as a public health concern we simply had to seize the initiative. Medicines sans frontieres could perhaps begin treating Islamphobia with a display of unity with candle light vigil holders.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 10:44 PM  

To wit, Vox, I suggest another problem with candle light vigils. Sometimes they take and entire 48 to generate the numbers required for good photo ops. I'm suggesting a EU backed rapid response team. People with pagers and hand cuffed brief cases with candles who could be airlifted into trouble spots to start the vigil the same night as the massacres take place. They might even be imbedded with the major wire news service. I reckon that a response team could be on sight and holding a vigil within 2 hours - even before the EMTs have cleared the scene.
Circles of people with arms locked and singing anthems could be communicated to the world the same night, even before the bodies were cold. Communicating to the public that things were being done.
Actions taken.

Blogger Phillip George November 20, 2015 11:07 PM  

on treating decapiphobia.
It's been noted in journals else where that desensitization training is an option. Many allergic reactions can be managed with small and increasing controlled exposure to the allergen concerned.
It is notoriously hard though to expose a decapiphobic to small and controlled samples of someone who really does want to cut their head off. While the conceptual and actual double blind studies are currently being conducted on a societal level I suggest the studies should be abandoned on the basis of them not having passed any credible ethical standards review boards.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 20, 2015 11:21 PM  

@71 The Other Robot
Some poles seem unhappy with Eskimos.

Perhaps they fondly remember those tax farming Eskimos.
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Now why would that be a problem? I recall the lefties burning Bush in effigy with American flags as kindling over and over back in the day.

Blogger John rockwell November 21, 2015 12:28 AM  

@The Other Robot
''''In honor cultures you have to be prepared to respond to violence with violence, or you and your family are dead!''

Exactly. ''If one or both hostile parties are standing''

Especially true in honor cultures. Either create such fear that revenge from the losing party is unfeasible for them. Or destroy them utterly.

In non-honor cultures there is the option of peace treaties.

Anonymous Steve Brown VFM#0273 November 21, 2015 1:17 AM  

@68 Dammit! No one seems to care about voting. Democracy gives way to totalitarianism. See how easy that is when no one gives a shit.

The winner is: @55 Credo in Unum Deum with a honorable mention for @67 Phillip George

Anonymous PhillipGeorge©2015 November 21, 2015 2:55 AM  

@55 Credo in Unum Deum, you got my vote as well. I think in baby steps though. One foot infront of the other. Getting rid of Halal is a baby step..Get rid of all domed buildings that happen to be next to minarets would be a good next baby step. Then a cruise missile into the Kaaba. Greater Israel shouldn't play host to such pagan idols. Shame on Israel for leaving it in place.
Mind you the destruction of the Temple by Titus didn't completely put an end to Judaism. It morphed into something else, both better and worse, with Karaites at the best end.

Anonymous Aachen November 21, 2015 4:45 AM  

I live in China. In fact one of the cities I have visited has an entire neighbourhood of Indonesian Chinese that had to flee Indonesia because of the Muslims (rape, burnt alive, rape again with broken glass bottles etc.). There is an undercurrent of dislike towards them, sure they like the Xinjiang food, (so do I, I ate it yesterday) but they do not respect them and generally do not want to be around them.

What is also interesting is the Gov has been pushing the Refugee issue as humanitarian but most Chinese that I have spoke to about it think it is an invasion. Most interesting is that Xi gave a very harsh speech regarding the 'barbarians' and the same day the state media reported heavily on the 'barbarians' and the evil things they are doing in Syria. They haven't really shown this to the general population before indicating that the Gov mood has changed and is gearing up to get the population on side to do what needs to be done.

Anonymous Agent J November 21, 2015 7:08 AM  

@73 To wit, Vox, I suggest another problem with candle light vigils.

I just realized those vigils are an opportunity! Somebody should market "vigil candleholders." They'd be customizable, perhaps with swappable colors or maybe a little piece of dry-erase board that said "Je suis _______" so you could write in the latest target.

Blogger James Dixon November 23, 2015 10:32 AM  

> Right now, it's either keep them (in Gitmo or some U.S. city) or let them go and pretend we don't have the right to take prisoners.

Those aren't the only options. Like I said, if they're still a threat, kill them. If not, let them go.

> I fully expect people to laugh at me.

Most places, maybe. Not here.

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