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Monday, November 16, 2015

Rubio is the new Bush

Not that anyone here will be surprised, but it looks as if the GOP establishment has given up on Jeb!
Marco Rubio, moving to capitalize on a wave of momentum in the Republican primary, will host a Capitol Hill fundraiser on Monday that will draw an influx of new supporters.

Around 70 of Rubio’s financial backers are listed on the event invitation — over half of whom, organizers say, signed on with the senator after last month’s Boulder debate. The fundraiser, which will draw lobbyists, bundlers, and several members of Congress, is expected to net around $200,000.

Monday’s fundraiser was initially going to be held at a Washington, D.C. townhouse, but organizers moved it to the Capitol Hill Club — where a large room has been rented out — after the RSVP list began to swell.

Among the names listed on the invitation, who are relatively new to Rubio’s fold, are Peter Davidson, a Verizon lobbyist; Christopher Chapel, a NextEra Energy lobbyist; Russ Thomasson, a former top staffer to Texas Sen. John Cornyn; and Mathew Lapinski, a lobbyist at Crossroads Strategies.
The GOP elite must be freaking out now that the Paris attacks have driven up Donald Trump's support to 42 percent. They're moving to Plan B faster than I had anticipated prior to the attacks.

Whether you like Donald Trump or not, whether you believe him or not, you have to admit that his response to the Paris attacks was easily the strongest and most forthright of any of the candidates in either party.

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Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2015 2:30 PM  

What you see is what you get, buddy.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 16, 2015 2:38 PM  

But I'd rather not use a gun to defend my home that requires me to wear them

Are you seriously arguing against using hearing protection? If there is a chance you will grow old you should wear it for things like mowing the lawn. I don't own any guns that I would skip using hearing protection with, if there is time to put it on. You can buy protection that lets you hear normal sound levels but blocks loud noises without the need for batteries for ~$30. Its not like back when they cost over $100

Blogger Daniel November 16, 2015 2:57 PM  

If you are that forgetful, perhaps you should start with a purse-sized little cannister of pepperspray. Don't confuse it for lip balm, and you'll be fine.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2015 3:06 PM  

White Knight Leo #0368 @17: Hmmm... You know, I don't really have an answer to that.

That's because there isn't one. If you want to know what kind of government they will create here, we have only to look at what kind of governments they created in their homelands. Those can generally be described as expensive, ineffective, capricious and corrupt; so unless you actually want that, we need to keep them out.

Anonymous Question November 16, 2015 3:16 PM  

For a car gun - the Kel Tec SU 16 or whatever - what is the best option for in-car storage?

(Especially for an SUV that doesn't have a trunk, as such)

Anonymous A.B. Prosper November 16, 2015 3:20 PM  

I have to be the heretic today guns are largely a matter of taste and as long as its reliable and you can shoot it well enough at battlefield ranges for the type of weapon it is , it really doesn't matter.


Anonymous RCPete November 16, 2015 3:21 PM  

I want to go back to the #1 firearm. I'm comfortable with a 1911, but don't have a great way to use it as a concealed carry piece. II use a P-3AT mouse gun in a cargo pocket for trips to the nearby city, but occasional trips mean I have to go west of the Cascades where it's gone crazy.
Thoughts on a flat, more compact piece or a decent carry rig would be appreciated. I'm 6'-2" and weigh 300, so inside the pants won't do well.

Blogger MrNiceguy November 16, 2015 3:40 PM  

Just to clarify, are you saying this is a good thing?

Blogger Rusty Fife November 16, 2015 3:44 PM  

@164 White Knight Leo

The Grendal category of cartridge is the second conclusion these authors came to:
http://defensetech.org/2010/03/01/taking-back-the-infantry-half-kilometer/

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2015 3:51 PM  

What you see is what you get, buddy.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 16, 2015 4:00 PM  

@152 Gaiseric
@50. I remember this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jafkVM-jnbE
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I love it! This reminds me of a time my dad went out on a boat with a buddy. The guy shoots a shotgun and flips them out of the boat.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 16, 2015 4:02 PM  

@164 WKL

Sorry read the linked paper, not the article.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 16, 2015 4:19 PM  

CAR GUN:

A decent answer is the old lever action .30-30. 16-1/2" barrel length with nice power.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 16, 2015 4:20 PM  

This must be what it's like to talk about presidential politics in a Borderlands saloon.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 16, 2015 4:20 PM  

And you can get a nice leather scabbard for ease of draw/classy protection.

"Easy draw/classy protection" - That's what she said.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 16, 2015 4:23 PM  

Leo, don't get one of those Century Arms AK without the flare suppressor. If you do, be sure to invest in some fire extinguishers.

Anonymous Donn #0114 November 16, 2015 4:29 PM  

If they drop Bush for Rubio there are upsides and downsides to it. Bush has the ridiculous slogans and has said some stupid, stupid stuff lately but Rubio has pictures of him conspiring with the gang of eight that can be shown.

I think it is interesting that Cruz seems to have learned from Trump's talking points regarding immigration. I could vote for a Trump Cruz ticket.

Blogger Hammerli 280 November 16, 2015 4:45 PM  

Suppressors, people. A decent can will take the noise and blast factor down quite a bit.

Anonymous RCPete November 16, 2015 4:52 PM  

@213

There's also a lever action .357. The .44 Mag version is rough on the shoulder.

Anonymous RCPete November 16, 2015 5:02 PM  

@213

There's also a Winchester lever action .357. The .44 Mag version is rough on the shoulder.

Blogger Danby November 16, 2015 5:10 PM  

214 Were-Puppy
This must be what it's like to talk about presidential politics in a Borderlands saloon.
So true, so sadly true. And we all know what you mean by that, which is even sadder.

This reminds me of a time my dad went out on a boat with a buddy. The guy shoots a shotgun and flips them out of the boat.
First time I ever fired a 12Ga was when I went goose hunting with my friend and his dad when I was 14, out in the Everett Slough. Had a flight of about 10 Brandt go right overhead, about 60 feet up. I whipped the gun into position and fired, just like the .410 I was used to. Unfortunately, my back foot was right on the edge of the channel, and I was in no way prepared for the recoil. I went over backwards into about 4 feet of mud. My buddy Scott said I flipped over backwards, but I'm pretty sure he was lying. I kept the gun clean, but it took me about 20 minutes to extricate myself. Never did find out if I got a goose.

Blogger Dark Herald November 16, 2015 5:39 PM  

What is the best car gun?

Your accelerator.

Do not ever and I mean ever shoot someone from inside your car, if you are a man.

If your car is functional. The prosecutor and worse the judge are always, always, ALWAYS going to assume it was road rage on your part.

It indeed and truly does not matter what the actual situation was. Yes, I am including carjackings here.

IF on the other hand you are a woman...go ahead and shoot. You're safe. Lethal force is always justified if you are a woman.

Blogger Daniel November 16, 2015 7:04 PM  

You can shoot someone from inside your car if you have to. The important thing is to make sure they are not in your car at the time.

Bigger pain to clean than melted skittles.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 16, 2015 7:26 PM  

@221

"The prosecutor and worse the judge are always, always, ALWAYS going to assume it was road rage on your part."

Even better, don't be seen or get caught.


Blogger Were-Puppy November 16, 2015 7:30 PM  

You remember all those guys wanted to wash yo windshield for a dollah? They don't do that anymore cause you can shoot them from within your car.

Blogger The Other Robot November 16, 2015 7:40 PM  

…Mr. Trump you are cleared to land on runway one, and to Make America Great Again…

Doesn't matter if it is true or not, people want to believe that Air Traffic Control in Texas said that.

Blogger Rusty Fife November 16, 2015 8:09 PM  

Why not an AR-10 shotgun for home defense?

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/rhino-arms-an-ar-shotgun-that-uses-regular-12-gauge-ammo-shot-show-2014/

Anonymous Hoss November 16, 2015 9:20 PM  

Dear God, please don't let some outsider step in and suggest he buy a Glock...please.

Anonymous Cyclone Bob November 16, 2015 9:35 PM  

Stg58, for future reference, it's "Hey, just what you see, pal."

Anonymous redsash November 16, 2015 10:40 PM  

Nate: The FN 5.7 carries 20 rounds, it's fast and has a straight trajectory, but in the end it is a glorified .22. As a matter of fact unless you can get military or law enforcement rounds it is no faster than the 22 tcm.

The CZ 75 b has personally given me the best results on the range, followed by the Beretta PX Storm both in 9mm. They just feel good in my hand; however, I have developed rheumatoid arthritis and in my damn right index finger. This will sound strange but the Smith and Wesson Night guard in 357 carrying 8 rounds especially with the hammer back is easier to load and shoot for me, trigger finger wise.

Now my FN SCAR 17 in 308, short piston stroke, has the least recoil of any 308 I have ever shot. The ammo is expensive, but terminal performance at 400 yards is really good. The weapon breaks down easily for cleaning. The trigger could break a little cleaner though. That being said the M16 was easy to carry and has little recoil, BUT, BUT direct air impingment gets your weapon dirty, the bolt carrier will get hot and freeze (just ask the Aurora Cinema shooter), and in the heat of battle will probably get you killed if you fire as little 150 rapid rounds. Also, good luck to you on a windy day with that 66 grain round.

Anonymous redsash November 16, 2015 11:28 PM  

Nate: I do like the FN p90 with the weird top loading clear 50 round magazines in bull pup. Probably the best weapon for room to room and house to house other than a grenade.

The Chinese have also adopted the 5.8 rifle round.

Blogger Nate November 16, 2015 11:58 PM  

50 beowulf mags AR AR 15 mags. They are the same. Completely interchangeable. Ballistic ally the 50 B is a 45/70. Basically if you ever need to stop a herd of brink trucks .. it is the tool for the job.

I have one.

It is more fun than you imagine.

Blogger paradox November 17, 2015 12:04 AM  

@229 redsash

Have you seen this? FNH will want a fortune for it. Guesstimate 6k. The only drawback I can see for the SCAR... spare parts are hard to find.

the bolt carrier will get hot and freeze (just ask the Aurora Cinema shooter)

The nut bag was using a 100 rd magazine, AR's don't like those things.

Blogger rho November 17, 2015 1:01 AM  

@206 I have to be the heretic today guns are largely a matter of taste and as long as its reliable and you can shoot it well enough at battlefield ranges for the type of weapon it is , it really doesn't matter.

If you want to avoid getting killed, buckle your seatbelt. On average, you're far more likely to be t-boned by some idiot Twittering than assaulted by a coked-up home invader at 2:30AM. The home invaders generally break in during the day when you're not there.

If you're going to pick a weapon in home defense, and you have zero actual experience in actual home invasions, get something that is inexpensive to practice with, and then practice. Practice a lot. You'll either run out of money, or you'll figure out that home invasion is pretty low on the list of mortal threats, or you'll discover that the suburb 8 miles further on your commute is less rife with violent crime.

Alternatively, you can acquire and shoot a lot of guns for fun. In the Western world, for now, guns are fun. This thread is observably full of gun nuts having fun arguing about guns.

TL;DR: if you're on the fence about how you're going to defend you and yours from hordes of amped-up burglars, you need to talk to a real estate agent, not Internet gun forums.

Blogger Doc Rampage November 17, 2015 1:35 AM  

Why don't combat experts ever suggest paintball training? Back when paintballing was new, I used to go out in the desert with about five to ten guys. We'd break up into teams and play capture the flag or elimination. I learned a lot about cover, stealth and individual tactics (we didn't really do group tactics much).

And there was some adrenaline training because getting smacked with a paintball when you are wearing nothing but a T-shirt can hurt like hell.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 17, 2015 1:42 AM  

@229 redsash

Beretta PX Storm both in 9mm. They just feel good in my hand; however, I have developed rheumatoid arthritis and in my damn right index finger.
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I actually got a Beretta PX4 Storm while having severe chemo induced neuropathy. I could shoot the thing with that going on, and it didn't kill my hands for 2 days after.

Blogger rho November 17, 2015 1:50 AM  

@234 We'd break up into teams and play capture the flag or elimination. I learned a lot about cover, stealth and individual tactics (we didn't really do group tactics much).

And there was some adrenaline training because getting smacked with a paintball when you are wearing nothing but a T-shirt can hurt like hell.


Nobody died from a paintball, and your field rules enforced that.

Also, paintball cover includes a healthy bush.

The train is still fine.

Blogger JimR November 17, 2015 2:48 AM  

"A home invader is not going to bolt if he's facing a 12 gauge?"

Some of them don't run if you shoot at them. Pretty sure incoming fire is a lot more 'tactical' than racking the slide on a shotgun

Blogger Cee November 17, 2015 3:38 AM  

If we're still talking guns, what's the Ilk's recommendation for a CCW for a smallish woman with smallish hands?

We're talking little tiny baby hands here.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2015 8:50 AM  

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Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2015 8:54 AM  

> If we're still talking guns, what's the Ilk's recommendation for a CCW for a smallish woman with smallish hands?

Take a look at the Ruger LCP

I've never handled one, but it looks to be ideally sized for small hands. The .380 may be a bit smaller than you'd like, but a small woman may prefer it.

Blogger Marie November 17, 2015 9:24 AM  

@238 and @240

I have the Ruger LCR in .380. Which is the revolver rather than the pistol and I love it. I swear by it. The grip will probably be fine for you. But the gun itself does kick hard so keep that in mind. You will want to practice with it for a while until you get use to the recoil. (This is not a fun gun to take to the range and put 100+ rounds through it.)

If you consider the LCR, keep in mind the hammer is covered so there is no "safety" on this gun. If it is loaded, it is hot. The covered hammer is nice because it never catches on anything. The .380 is only 5 shots but I do have a speed-loader in my purse. (I'm aware in a gun fight, I will unlikely be able to use it but better to have it than not.)

I have a friend with a Kel-tec 9 mm which she really likes. You'd probably prefer the single magazine. They have one with a double stack but that's a fat grip.

Most women I know who cc, carry glocks. (Somewhere Nate is laughing) But they like them.

Keep in mind where you are planning on concealing the gun. I keep mine in my purse because it is always near my hip and I always have it. But you don't want something so heavy it will hurt your shoulder carrying it around. I find trying to carry on my person is just too impractical with modern women's clothes.

Keep in mind, guys are not the only ones with car guns. Keep something small on your person and something a bit larger in the car. If you are in a situation that makes you a little more nervous pull that larger gun out and put it in your purse. When I am traveling and have to stop for fuel at night I always put the larger pistol in the main section of my purse where I can easily get to it.

Blogger Marie November 17, 2015 9:35 AM  

Sorry, mine's a 38 +p.

Need coffee....

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2015 10:25 AM  

Marie, thanks for the input from an actual owner. As I said, I've only looked at them, but I liked what I saw. But then again, I like Rugers in general.

Anonymous redsash November 17, 2015 11:13 AM  

#238 & #240: For easy to shoot and with little recoil go with Nate's FN 5.7 and it's 20 rounds. One drawback - you'll be lighter by around $1000. My S&W night guard can also handle the lesser recoil of 38s.

If I do turn up face down, I'll probably have my Barrett 6.8 with aimpoint micro red dot very nearby, and an empty Nightguard.

#234 & 236: In my pre-Christian days with my childhood pals we would ride around and shoot drunks with paintball guns loaded with only red balls. I'll always remember some old geezer sitting on the curb in a white tee shirt who took about three rounds. He jumped up high enough to make a dunk shouting oh my God they've shot me. He grabbed his chest trying to stop the bleeding. He actually fell back on the side walk pretending to be dead. After about what seemed like a minute, he raised his head, cursed, gave us the finger, and headed to our car where all three of us opened up on him. He proceeded to do some unknown dance and broke VD's Sprint record headed down an alley way. I am now laying on my floor laughing just by remembering this youthful indiscretion.


Blogger Cee November 17, 2015 2:40 PM  

@240 & @241 Thank you!

Blogger Doc Rampage November 18, 2015 12:30 AM  

@236 That's not an answer. Nobody dies target shooting or skeet shooting either and there is no need for cover at all, yet they are recommended forms of practice.

Blogger FP November 18, 2015 11:38 AM  

"You're right. PS90. Their other bizarre alien looking thing."

I really wanted one a couple of years ago, even thought about going the route you mentioned with the 5.7 pistol too. They were down to about $1250 online. The ammo cost sucks but what turned me off of the PS90 is that, ultimately its not the real model, the P90. If I want a SMG or PDW as the feds now call them, I want one that can do full auto, not just semi auto and a semi auto that is stuck with a 14.5 barrel to be legal without the permission slip. I'd rather just get an AR pistol.

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