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Thursday, November 12, 2015

Second time farce

I used to think David Goldman's "Spengler" columns were pretty good. But as time goes on, he seems to be getting almost deranged:
Kissinger’s latest offering has the distinct virtue of reducing the foreign policy Establishment’s thinking to absurdity. Kissinger saw the major powers as fixed entities to be moved around on a geopolitical game board, in a Parker Brothers’ version of the Congress of Vienna or the Treaty of Berlin. He missed the internal decay of the Soviet economy and its strategic consequences–the Russians’ realization in the mid-1980s that they could not compete with the American economy and its capacity to invent new military technologies. It wasn’t quite Stratego, to be sure: Kissinger drew on non-trivial mathematics, for example Thomas Schelling’s game theory. Variables in an equation and tokens on a game-board, though, both remain fixed entities to be arrayed according to given rules. Sometimes the long-term sometimes overtakes the short-term and mugs it.

The internal decay of present and former nation-states from Libya to Afghanistan is even more obvious, and even more germane to the politics of the region. Kissinger’s current recommendations for the Middle East, outlined in an Oct. 16 essay in the Wall Street Journal, treat the region’s players as if they were fixed entities that can be manipulated into a stable balance of power. It is obvious, though, that nothing is fixed about these entities, and this leads Kissinger to torture logic until it expires on the rack. Here for example is a characterization of Iran: “On one level, Iran acts as a legitimate Westphalian state conducting traditional diplomacy, even invoking the safeguards of the international system. At the same time, it organizes and guides nonstate actors seeking regional hegemony based on jihadist principles….The U.S. should be prepared for a dialogue with an Iran returning to its role as a Westphalian state within its established borders.”

One can imagine Iran’s supreme leader attempting to parse Kissinger’s logic: “Westphalian? What is ‘Westphalian?’ I have Googled it, and behold!, it is a kind of ham! The infidel Kissinger likens us to pork!” Iran perhaps the least Westphalian political entity on the planet. It is not a nation-state in any sense of the term but the rump of a collapsed empire, in which Persians comprise barely half of the population, with “Azerbaijanis (16–25+%), Kurds (7–10%), Lurs (c. 7%), Mazandaranis and Gilakis (c. 7%), Arabs (2–3%), Balochi (c. 2%) Turkmens (c. 2%)” making up the rest, according to Wikipedia. Shi’ite messianism and attendant imperial ambitions are its raison d’etre. It is like saying, “Excuse me, Mr. Hyde, but is Dr. Jeykll at home?”

And about what should the United States engage Iran in its “Westphalian” incarnation? “It is preferable for ISIS-held territory to be reconquered either by moderate Sunni forces or outside powers than by Iranian jihadist or imperial forces.” If we had some Westphalian ham, we could have ham-and-eggs, if we had some eggs: if we had “moderate Sunni forces” we could persuade the “Westphalian” Iran to withdraw the “jihadist or imperial” Iran to acquiesce in the reconquest of ISIS-held territories by Sunnis. Then “The reconquered territories should be restored to the local Sunni rule that existed there before the disintegration of both Iraqi and Syrian sovereignty.” Someone should break the news to Dr. Kissinger that Saddam Hussein is dead and that the previous Sunni regime is not available.
Is Iran any less a nation-state than the USA? If diversity is our strength, is it not also the strength of "the rump of a collapsed empire" in which there is still an ethnic majority more solid than a mere "proposition nation"?

And Spengler misses, or more likely, intentionally ignores Kissinger's observations about the breakdown of the Westphalian state. Indeed, some of Man's foremost thinkers about Man's oldest art have been thinking very hard indeed about the implications of what they call "the crisis of the State".

The fact that Kissinger could be - and in my view, observably is - wrong about the dangerous geopolitical situation in which the world finds itself does not mean that either the man or his ideas should be belittled, especially by someone who is so shortsighted that he genuinely believes his people can simply jump to China when their welcome in America finally wears out.

The original Spengler was tragic. This pale imitation smacks of farce.

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54 Comments:

Blogger maniacprovost November 12, 2015 6:03 PM  

Did the Westphalian state break down, or is it the unattainable Platonic form of the nation state?

In Syria and Iraq, one can say the state broke down into a 4GW blob of actors. But states like Iran and Louis XIV's France (the epitome of the nation state?) have always used some 4GW-like activities to achieve their goals.

Blogger Rye Bread November 12, 2015 6:09 PM  

There are things America might do, if it is ruthless enough. The first is to stand godfather to a Kurdish state in what is now Iraq and Syria, and provide covert support to the Iranian Kurds.

This is written by a man who does not know the hour. Has this man been hiding under a rock for the past 8 years?

Blogger praetorian November 12, 2015 6:10 PM  

Spengler makes a lot more sense once you realize that all he really gives a shit about are his people.

The idea that the U.S. isn't a nation doesn't occur to him, because it doesn't matter to him. He has his nation and the U.S. is simply a very large tool for furthering the interests of that nation. As best as I can tell, once the U.S. entity isn't useful for that end, the idea is that his nation will be able to work with China.

Blogger Rye Bread November 12, 2015 6:19 PM  

Spengler makes a lot more sense once you realize that all he really gives a shit about are his people.

Even though this idea would make the West disposable, I can actually understand the logic behind this. However Spengler's piece seems to be more an alternative universe type fiction, then an actual serious commentary.

Any man who can pen this garbage in light of Nuclear deal of 2015, and our Soggy-Cheerios policy in Syria is not processing world events logically.

Blogger praetorian November 12, 2015 6:21 PM  

There are things America might do, if it is ruthless enough.

Dammit, I was having a good day... This crypto-machiavellian fuck wants to send more of our kids into a fucking middle east kill zone on behalf of... what again?

WOULDYOUMINDGETTINGINSIDETHEOVENTOCLEANIT?REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Blogger VD November 12, 2015 6:23 PM  

Did the Westphalian state break down, or is it the unattainable Platonic form of the nation state?

It broke down. WWI and WWII killed it.

Spengler makes a lot more sense once you realize that all he really gives a shit about are his people.\

That does increasingly appear to be the case.

Anonymous Takin' a Look November 12, 2015 6:33 PM  

....especially by someone who is so shortsighted that he genuinely believes his people can simply jump to China when their welcome in America finally wears out.

First Babs Spectre, now this?!?

You,you, HATEFACTS NOTICER you!

Anonymous bw November 12, 2015 6:35 PM  

Goldberg's

It's much simpler than you wish to make it brother.
Of course, I'm quite confident that with every passing day you know that.

Anonymous 11B November 12, 2015 6:39 PM  

Kissinger’s current recommendations for the Middle East, outlined in an Oct. 16 essay in the Wall Street Journal, treat the region’s players as if they were fixed entities that can be manipulated into a stable balance of power. It is obvious, though, that nothing is fixed about these entities,

It's hard for those entities to be fixed when we've spent the better part of this century doing everything we can to tear down their regimes. Absent our constant intervention, they probably would be relatively fixed entities.

Blogger chris November 12, 2015 7:03 PM  

Goldberg is grappling with the idea of 4GW. He understands demographic implosion. But he is too wedded to the idea of nation-states in a time of nascent tribalism.

Blogger praetorian November 12, 2015 7:11 PM  

But he is too wedded to the idea of nation-states in a time of nascent tribalism.

Looks like he's got tribalism pretty well worked out from where I'm sittin', chris.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 November 12, 2015 7:25 PM  

Goldberg is grappling with the idea of 4GW or gaming it; which one?
Does D.C. get listed for regime change?

Anonymous BGS November 12, 2015 7:28 PM  

especially by someone who is so shortsighted that he genuinely believes his people can simply jump to China when their welcome in America finally wears out.

Don't the Chinese remember it was the tribe that helped Mao kill over 100 million Chinese?

Blogger MendoScot November 12, 2015 7:35 PM  

Agreed about his past. I used to read him, as well as Frontpage, Proteinwisdom and LGF. I don’t anymore.

Blogger Danby November 12, 2015 7:40 PM  

So, what does Spengler want?
The first is to stand godfather to a Kurdish state in what is now Iraq and Syria, and provide covert support to the Iranian Kurds. That will infuriate Turkey, but no matter.
Build up Kurdish power to the detriment of Turkey. Hmmm, who stands to gain from that? Eskimos?
Oh, and let's just start a war in Turkey, "but no matter." He and his tribe won't have to fight it, so it's not a problem. Because Turkish stability is a nothing a bauble, a mere frippery on the gates of Europe. Something like that could never have blowback.

Second, allow Moscow to appoint a successor to Assad, provided that Assad leaves office. Once Assad is out, enforce a cease-fire, and allow Syria to devolve into provincial units including a Sunni-run territory in the South and East, an Alawistan on the northern coast, and a Kurdish entity in the north on the Turkish border.
Dictate to Russia what the terms of their surrender in Syria are. Quick, before they sweep the field! And just why would Russia agree to this? They are winning at literally every level of war as far as their objectives are concerned. What would it benefit Russia to have for neighbors both a new Kurdistan and yet another failed Islamic state?

Third, wipe out ISIS sources of funding in oil wells and refiners, without worrying too much about collateral damage.
Destroy the productive capacity of the region. Fair enough, that's sure to win a lot of pro-American converts over there. "ISIL killed my neighbors, but the Americans bombed our economy back to the literal stone age. I like Americans."

Fourth, give Iran an ultimatum regarding its sponsorship of state terror, and if necessary destroy some Revolutionary Guards bases.
Read that "start a war with Iran." Once again, no blow back possible from that.

Fifth, make clear to the Qataris that they are not a country but a tribe perched on a gas-bubble.
Totally unlike certain other tribes that no-one is allowed to threaten, ever.

Spengler's foreign policy plan:
1) Further destablize the middle East
2) Start wars with both Iran and Turkey
3) ?????????????
4) Profit!

Blogger Joshua Sinistar November 12, 2015 7:43 PM  

Wow was this guy born yesterday or what. The Old Cold War model was a chessboard between two major blocks. FDR and Stalin created it at the Yalta conference while that old drunk Churchill was playing with his secretary's assets off in the next room somewhere.
The Empire that the Sun never set on, was killed by the recycling of an old worn out politician who destroyed his career by killing thousands of Aussies at Gallipoli. The world should have listened to his predecessor Chamberlain. Hitler wasn't trying to conquer the World, he was just putting the German people under his umbrella of protection from the ruthless vampires that are today killing the West.
Winnie the poop and his ambitions for power sold the British Empire down the river. Now their little girls are being gangraped by Muslim gangs, and rivers of blood will run all over Europe thanks to picking the wrong side in World War II.
World War III really is Armageddon. Its for the whole ball of wax this time. They're destroying Europe and America because they are the last obstacle in their mad stupid dreams of World Conquest, but they don't have the force or armies to do it.
Russia doesn't have the power to conquer and enslave Europe, and China has a richer road waiting in Africa than sending millions of Chinamen to die in America. Iran has every intention of bombing Israel, and the jews are toast without White people and their ingenuity behind them.
These Muslims and Mexicans aren't going to follow jews or the NWO, and Russia and China don't have the resources or manpower to take and control the territories filled by White Christians. They are going to end up with nothing but burned out ruins, with mutant gangs murdering and raping anyone who isn't holed up like survivalists. They can hide in underground bunkers for decades, but they will be their tomb. There will be nothing left for them on the surface.
Either I and the Whites will crush the invaders, or they and their kind will end up in the cannibal's pot as their reward for destroying Western civilization. Either way, they're dead. They are meaningless at this point. Focus on yourselves and your people, White Man!

OpenID tz November 12, 2015 7:50 PM  

Even though the 4GW vaporware doesn't condense until the EoM!. I've pre-ordered.
Castalia House? Shrug. Lind was right when on National Empowerment TV and America's voice, and I've been pushing - Jeremiah like - "You Must Read This", and it made survivalblog.com today. And have pushed his other works.
You do good, but the problem is the Blue (v.s. Pink) bubbles. "Immortal Nicholas" by Glenn Beck may be trash, mediocre, or great, but because it is neither blue nor pink will not be given 5 or 1 stars even when not read simply because it is outside, nor will a puppy drag it in to next year's Hugos.
That is the tragedy. Pink tribe, Blue Tribe, reason, quality, excellence is irrelevant to them.

Anonymous Godfrey November 12, 2015 8:25 PM  

Me thinks it's Zion first, last and always for Goldberg.

Blogger Groot November 12, 2015 8:29 PM  

@16. Joshua Sinistar:

And I thought I lived in a cartoon world.

Blogger Desiderius November 12, 2015 8:49 PM  

"Did the Westphalian state break down, or is it the unattainable Platonic form of the nation state?

It broke down. WWI and WWII killed it."

If Christendom is a necessary condition for a viable civilization long-term, then Westphalia itself was stillborn. It would have been better had either side triumphed than that they agreed to permanent schism. Akin to the division of the Roman Empire into East and West. One fell fast, while one fell slowly, but both fell.

Blogger Desiderius November 12, 2015 8:52 PM  

VD,

It's Goldman, not Goldberg.

Blogger Desiderius November 12, 2015 8:55 PM  

BTW, Nero could use some help dealing with the CultMarx campus putsch if you've got the time.

Blogger bob k. mando November 12, 2015 9:08 PM  

VD
I used to think David Goldberg's "Spengler" columns were pretty good. But as time goes on, he seems to be getting almost deranged:



there was a major qualitative change when he outed himself.

i think it was not long after this that he made that post about how beneficial to Chinese society the addition of Jews would be.

which, considering that he works in Hong Kong, was quite obviously self and race serving.

iow, now that everyone knows who he is, he's gone all in for overt and not so overt pro-Eskimo propaganda.

frankly, i haven't bothered reading anything of his since about 3 months after he lifted the cover.


notice that both Kissinger and Spengler don't note ( at least in the quote ) that all of the Kissingerian complaints about Iran ... apply to the US.
"On one level, America acts as a legitimate Westphalian state conducting traditional diplomacy, even invoking the safeguards of the international system. At the same time, it organizes and guides nonstate actors seeking regional hegemony based on nominally humanist / capitalist principles


also note that Kissinger would prefer for "moderate Sunni forces or outside powers" to win.

iow, Kissinger is still kissing the Saudis asses ( nominally moderate Sunni ... even though these fuckers were the architects of the 9-11 hijackings ) or encouraging more foreign ( that is "US", that is "military over which Kissinger has significant strategic influence" ) engagement in the region.

Blogger Sam vfm #111 November 12, 2015 9:23 PM  

@23 iow, Kissinger is still kissing the Saudis asses

Who do you think is funding his retirement?

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 November 12, 2015 9:25 PM  

How exactly did the Saudi's pull building 7 at the WTC? I mean architects love engineering explanations and all? Osama bin boogey man needs a Nobel prize for PHYSICS, post humourously of course. Saudi's under the bed. I guess they did that russian airliner Metro Jest as well.

Anonymous A Visitor November 12, 2015 9:33 PM  

Having read the entire article, does he really believe his prescriptions?

Godfather a Kurdish state that will infuriate Turkey but no matter? Hey fool, logistics!!!!! It's a lot easier to bomb ISIS from Incirlik than the Persian Gulf.

"American security guarantees carry no credibility among the Sunni Gulf States."

If so, why do some of those states still look to us?

His idea that we bomb a couple IRGC bases, smart move, brah. Just wait for the retaliatory strikes via Hezbollah or other proxies that will be made just deniable enough that we can't trace it back to Iran. Then what? Operation: Iranian Freedom? The Iranians have a tendency to say, "Fuck it, we'll solve our internal problems later," when being pushed around by outsiders, look at oh say 1980!

@1 I'd say it's broken down in some parts of the world. In other parts, it's still going strong.

"Hitler wasn't trying to conquer the World, he was just putting the German people under his umbrella of protection from the ruthless vampires that are today killing the West."

How were the French or Poles Germans?

You know in times like these, America needs MOAR Bryan Wilson, the Texas Law Hawk!

Anonymous rienzi November 12, 2015 9:57 PM  

You know, for what is regarded as a highly intelligent group of people, the Tribe certainly, and regularly, comes up with ideas that appear to have been hatched in the brains of banjo-playing extras from "Deliverance".

"Lets destroy the West, our strongest protectors! That'll show those Christians!"

"Hey, we'll just move to China! They'll be overjoyed to take us in!"

The stupid is just blinding at times.

Anonymous The Kulak November 12, 2015 10:02 PM  

@ 15 Danby --

"Second, allow Moscow to appoint a successor to Assad, provided that Assad leaves office. Once Assad is out, enforce a cease-fire, and allow Syria to devolve into provincial units including a Sunni-run territory in the South and East, an Alawistan on the northern coast, and a Kurdish entity in the north on the Turkish border." Establishing a rump Sunni state appears to be Washington's plan C or D at this point now that Plans A (get U.S. directly involved in removing Assad with a false flag chemical attack) and B (use the super terrorist army ISIS to do the job or use its removal as pretext for removing Assad) have spectacularly failed.

Judging by the 'surprise' collapse of the southwestern flank of the 'moderate' head choppers in Aleppo Thursday and looming massacre of ISIS on the Aleppo to Raqqa highway courtesy of Uncle Volodya's Smerch cluster munition MLRS and gunships, I'd say Mr. Goldman not Goldburg's advice is already reaching its military expiration date. Not unlike recommending Patton's army drive on to Poland or Hungary in February 1945.

"Dictate to Russia what the terms of their surrender in Syria are. Quick, before they sweep the field! And just why would Russia agree to this? They are winning at literally every level of war as far as their objectives are concerned." Yes, and one of the signs Russia is winning is that the anti-Russian propaganda pukes at RFE/RL and Mikhail Khodorkovsky funded Interpreter Rag are reduced to peddling videos of Israeli Air Force strikes on the Damascus airport in 2013 as if they happened last week. Guess what, they didn't, and just to rub it in and call time on Bibi's BS at AEI that the IAF still can bomb Assad anytime they like despite the Russian Bear being in the way, the Russians tweeted out images of their S-400 battery at Latakia. As Gen. Breedlove of NATO already admitted you put a few of those in Kaliningrad or Crimea and it's game over for NATO airpower over the Baltic Sea or Black Sea in case of war. I seriously doubt for all the Israelis chutzpah and wunderwaffen sense of chutzpah their generals want to do for the IAF what the 2006 defeat at the hands of Hezbollah did for the IDF's reputation for invincibility.

"What would it benefit Russia to have for neighbors both a new Kurdistan and yet another failed Islamic state?" Russia is not hostile to a Kurdistan, in fact Lukoil has plenty of oil interests in Kirkuk. The problem has always been as for the West Turkey. A failed collapsed Turkey would be a disaster for Russia and inevitably spill over into the Caucases, notwithstanding Greek Orthodox Elder Paisios prophecies about the Ottomans getting carved up by their enemies and Constantinople going back to the Greeks courtesy of the Russians.

"Third, wipe out ISIS sources of funding in oil wells and refiners, without worrying too much about collateral damage.
Destroy the productive capacity of the region. Fair enough, that's sure to win a lot of pro-American converts over there. "ISIL killed my neighbors, but the Americans bombed our economy back to the literal stone age. I like Americans." Indeed. Funny how France and the U.S. coalition only started bombing ISIS-held oil refineries and transport facilities once Russia got directly involved. Scorched earth to #BlameRussia #BlamePutin anyone?

Anonymous kfg November 12, 2015 10:19 PM  

"It broke down. WWI and WWII killed it."

In August, 1914, Europe shit itself in the head and declared victory over its foe.

!n '39 it began its final death spasm.

If it is to be reborn, the labour pains are going to be mighty.

Anonymous kfg November 12, 2015 10:20 PM  

OK, I know the rule, but in this case, that really was supposed to be "shot," not "shit," although that may apply as well.

Anonymous Godfrey November 12, 2015 10:36 PM  

@27

Yes, the Chinese will be "overjoyed" to have the Zionists take over their country. They've done such wonders for ours.

Blogger The Observer November 12, 2015 10:43 PM  

@31

If I'm not wrong, there are a few problems with the "flee to China" plan:

1. Can't disguise self as host population.
2. Innate distrust of foreigners.
3. Going up against neopotism and mercantilism that may very well rival theirs.
4. No pathological altruism to take advantage of.

If I'm not wrong, I vaguely remember that ancient China's been the only population which managed to assimilate Jews to some extent. Can't find the source on this, though.

Blogger Rye Bread November 12, 2015 10:47 PM  

so shortsighted that he genuinely believes his people can simply jump to China when their welcome in America finally wears out.

Here is the part that truly gets me. China is well on its way to become the largest Christian nation in the world with an estimated 100 to 130 million Christians, and an estimated growth rate is around 7%.

The Tribe's grand plan is to live as long as they can in the Western (Formerly Christian) Nations, while essential "salting the earth" for our culture, then spring board to China (which will then have a massive Christian population) to do the same to them?

I dont know what's worse - The two faced back stabbing hypocrisy or the fact what they are doing doesn't even register as moral wrong.

Anonymous kfg November 12, 2015 11:06 PM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_China

Go figure.

Blogger Desiderius November 12, 2015 11:13 PM  

"Yes, the Chinese will be "overjoyed" to have the Zionists take over their country. They've done such wonders for ours."

The Chinese have been conquering their conquerors for 5,000 years.

Blogger Rye Bread November 12, 2015 11:19 PM  


If I'm not wrong, there are a few problems with the "flee to China" plan:
4. No pathological altruism to take advantage of.


You are not wrong.

1. Can't disguise self as host population.
Depends on the city. The Tribe would have to stick to Hong Kong or Shanghai. I was in Shenyang, and while I would not say they were hostile to my presence I definitely got strange looks from people just walking down the street.

2. Innate distrust of foreigners.
Innate distrust of everyone. Also a mindset that expects overt displays to be false fronts, looks for hidden motives in most facets of life, and routinely sets up "events" to tease out the truth of your position. I wouldn't call in paranoia but its close.

3. Going up against neopotism and mercantilism that may very well rival theirs..
My company had to create a joint venture with a Chinese company to do business "properly". I had a direct report who handled interaction with the Local Government and Regional Government, and to handle negotiations. While I dont consider my self a stupid man by any means, the complexities in Chinese culture and behavior required a Chinese national for this type of work. Hell, I usually would not even buy food or goods from a local vendor myself, but instead I sent my "aide" to purchase these items for me.

4. No pathological altruism to take advantage of.
I dont know if I would go so far as to say the Chinese are not an altruistic group. Generosity and fair play are definitely considered cardinal virtues but they are much more practical and nationalistic then we are.

Blogger bob k. mando November 12, 2015 11:21 PM  

25. PhillipGeorge(c)2015 November 12, 2015 9:25 PM
How exactly did the Saudi's pull building 7 at the WTC?



you know, i specifically phrased that the way i did ( "architects of the 9-11 hijackings" ) for the specific purpose of NOT setting the Truthers off.

what the hey, Truthers gonna Truth.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey November 12, 2015 11:34 PM  

You're just doing this now?

We stopped reading ((((Goldberg))))'s columns years ago.

Anonymous Dave November 13, 2015 12:03 AM  

Nothing to do now but sit back and watch Putin carry out his plans for the Middle East. Putin couldn't restart the Cold War if he wanted to, because the West would surrender without a fight.

The West has lost all geopolitical credibility. We can't launch men into orbit, defeat ISIS, or defend our own borders. But we do have generous welfare benefits and easy women for anyone who wishes to invade us!

Blogger Groot November 13, 2015 12:31 AM  

@30. kfg:
"OK, I know the rule, but in this case, that really was supposed to be 'shot,' not 'shit,' although that may apply as well."

It made me laugh, so that's a +1.

OpenID Jack Amok November 13, 2015 12:35 AM  

There are things America might do, if it is ruthless enough.

When America finally becomes ruthless again, it will almost certainly choose to do... other things.

Agreed about his past. I used to read him, as well as ...

Same here. Wretchard the Cat is about the only one of the old reads I still like.

Blogger Zaklog the Great November 13, 2015 12:53 AM  

More of the same: African teenagers rape a girl at school, get a slap on the wrist, father told to calm down. http://moonbattery.com/?p=65030

Blogger Zaklog the Great November 13, 2015 12:53 AM  

I should point out that last story was about Sweden, not these savages' home country.

Anonymous PhillipGeorge(c)2015 November 13, 2015 12:56 AM  

and neocon mass murders are gunna ...........
signed: troofer

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 13, 2015 1:24 AM  

Indeed, some of Man's foremost thinkers about Man's oldest art have been thinking very hard indeed about the implications of what they call "the crisis of the State".

Second-oldest art. The game had to be taken and the berry had to be gathered before Mr Alpha & Co. could take their cut. Goods first have to be brought into existence before they can be stolen/taxed/regulated. The destroyer is the dependent of the creator.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 13, 2015 1:41 AM  

Rye Bread: "The Tribe's grand plan is to live as long as they can in the Western (Formerly Christian) Nations, while essential "salting the earth" for our culture, then spring board to China (which will then have a massive Christian population) to do the same to them?"

Yes.

Anonymous ChicagoRefugee November 13, 2015 1:57 AM  

OT, but what's the Ilk's take on the news out of Germany? They've done a big raid on heretics.We're back to blasphemy laws, hurray!

{{Head/Desk}}

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/12/berlin-police-raid-10-sites-in-german-capital-in-crackdown-on-online-anti/

#0248

Blogger Curtis November 13, 2015 2:52 AM  

How exactly did the Saudi's pull building 7 at the WTC?

https://youtu.be/LoRHLrXmqbc

Anonymous Whitey McWhite November 13, 2015 3:32 AM  

ChicagoRefugee: "OT, but what's the Ilk's take on the news out of Germany?"

A German court has just sent Ursula Haverbeck, a non-violent 87-year-old lady, off to 10 months prison without parole for wrong opinions on the Holocaust.

The crackdown is on, and she is just a small (though amazingly brave) part of it.

When the powers that be are tossing 87-year-old grannies in the slammer for thinking what they aren't supposed to think, it's outright tyranny.

Tyranny doesn't last forever among whites, but this one doesn't have to; it just has to last long enough for mass immigration and forced assimilation for answer all questions forever, regarding white people and their "antisemitic DNA".

Then off to China, to do the same thing again, to the (increasingly Christian) Chinese.

Blogger Doom November 13, 2015 3:48 AM  

Oh. Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, okay. Sometimes I mean to take offense, at the outset, but read a bit more and am, like... Yeah. Okay.

I don't know Spengler. But you and Kissinger, sure. I don't always agree with you, and generally have believed Kissinger to miss more than hit, by a long shot. If the best batters in the league hit 300 and he isn't exactly a hitter. Anyway...

China and Jews? I would imagine they would shove Jews into muslim territories, since the twin girls dance so well together, and not do much unless the violence, or politics, left the circle. Jews aren't very good at violence, or at least at breeding fast enough to be really violent, so that'll be a short operation. More so without foreign arms and money. Though, most likely, China would do much worse to Jews who showed up to tell them how the world works. Maxwell's silver hammer and whatnot. There is only room for one elite "race" (as I have heard them actually call it) in China, and it ain't Jewish.

Anonymous Bz November 13, 2015 4:55 AM  

The Chinese would do well to graduate a sufficient number of state-approved rabbis before the arrival of foreign jews in order that social harmony be retained in worship and in the Middle Kingdom.

Blogger bob k. mando November 13, 2015 9:39 AM  

44. PhillipGeorge(c)2015 November 13, 2015 12:56 AM
and neocon mass murders are gunna



i made no comment about who was ultimately responsible for 9-11 or the proximate cause of any of the buildings coming down, dumbass.

are you so far out there that you're now denying that the planes hit the towers? or that there were no hijacking teams?

because IF the hijacking teams existed THEN you have to address the issue of who ( almost all Saudi nationals ) populated them.

and even if it was secretly the Juice behind it all, that doesn't mean they weren't pulling strings in Saudi Arabia.

Blogger Danby November 13, 2015 3:20 PM  

@bob k. mando
Don't bother. Thruthers gonna truther. They're impervious to facts, logic, physics, reason or actual truth.
They've swallowed the psuedo-dialectic Flav-r-ade and will simply dismiss anything you say that disagrees with their narrative. The (.gov |Jews) did it, and nothing's going to convince them otherwise.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 13, 2015 6:09 PM  

Anonymity gave him false courage.

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