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Friday, November 27, 2015

SF-SJWs devouring themselves

ST Joshi, who is a leftist, an SF writer, and a respected H.P. Lovecraft scholar, has come under intense SJW fire for standing up for Lovecraft's literary legacy:
1) The World Fantasy Award is a purely literary award. It is awarded purely for literary excellence in the field of weird fiction. It commemorated Lovecraft because (a) it was created for the First World Fantasy Convention in 1975, held in Providence, R.I., which was essentially a Lovecraft convention, and (b) it acknowledges Lovecraft’s literary greatness, both intrinsically and in terms of his influence. That is all that the award “means.” The award says nothing about Lovecraft as a person (just as other awards in this and related fields say nothing about the person or character of the figures they are named for). The changing of the award is an implicit rejection of Lovecraft’s literary status. It suggests that Lovecraft’s racism is so heinous a character flaw that it negates the entirety of his literary achievement. This is one of many reasons why I find it mystifying how any genuine devotee of Lovecraft can be in favour of changing the WFA bust.

2) We have no reason to be confident that the current agitators will stop at the WFA bust. Indeed, the prime mover in the matter—Daniel José Older—has made his general contempt for Lovecraft quite clear, as when he called him a “terrible wordsmith.” (I suspect he would say much the same about Poe, Dunsany, Machen, and any other writers who don’t write the kind of slangy, faux-hipster style he favours.) It is quite evident that some of these agitators really don’t like Lovecraft as a writer and resent his fame and influence, and have seized on the one flaw of his racism to cast him out into the literary darkness. Vigilance needs to be maintained that the tarring of Lovecraft’s reputation doesn’t go any further.

3) The discarding of the WFA bust may in itself be insignificant, but it is troubling for a multitude of reasons. It is, for example, an historical error to pass condign judgment on figures of the past because they are perceived to have departed from the moral, political, and social views to which we adhere. This shows a cultural intolerance and lack of historical understanding that is very discouraging. We have not exactly attained moral and intellectual perfection ourselves, and I daresay we will be judged harshly for all manner of derelictions a hundred years from now. (We now hear of students at Princeton University—where I did graduate work in 1982–84—lobbying to have every vestige of Woodrow Wilson’s name eliminated from the campus merely because he made a few racist comments, as if these comments somehow repudiate all the significant political and diplomatic achievements of his career.)
By the way, this is not the first time I've seen Ellen Datlow's name mentioned with regards to egregious SJW lunacy. She would appear to be nearly as ideologically insane as Patrick Nielsen Hayden.
I have been led to believe that the celebrated editor Ellen Datlow was a major force in getting the Lovecraft bust discarded from the World Fantasy Awards. If this is so, it casts a dubious light on Datlow herself. One has to wonder about the moral compass of a person who has materially benefited from Lovecraft’s increasing reputation by opportunistically assembling two volumes of Lovecraft-inspired fiction (Lovecraft Unbound [2009] and Lovecraft’s Monsters [2014]) and who then turns around and kicks Lovecraft figuratively in the posterior.
This part was particularly amusing to me:
My dissociation with Dan Clore was not because he disagreed with me, but because he treated me in an abusive and insulting manner. He in effect stated that I was a right-wing racist bigot, even though he knows that I am a leftist.
You don't say! What, pray tell, do SJWs do? Ah yes, that's right. SJWs Always Lie!

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66 Comments:

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 27, 2015 3:53 PM  

Ellen Datlow was a major force in getting the Lovecraft bust discarded

Ellen Datlow who, ironically, looks like a Lovecraftian nightmare.

Blogger Dave November 27, 2015 4:00 PM  

Ah Steve the TDNOM we bow to the master. We will soon need a central repository for your efforts if it pleases the Dark Lord.

Blogger Danby November 27, 2015 4:02 PM  

@1
It's a man, baby!

No? Really? You sure?
Oh, FFS!

Blogger Dave November 27, 2015 4:10 PM  

Oh I see what happened. She mistakenly took the Lovecraftian bust as an attempt to ridicule her looks.

Blogger Loyd Jenkins November 27, 2015 4:16 PM  

After this -- #2: SJWs always double down.

Anonymous Wyrd November 27, 2015 4:20 PM  

Ellen Datlow who, ironically, looks like a Lovecraftian nightmare.

Loses SAN check.

Blogger Harry Spitz November 27, 2015 4:22 PM  

@6. Wyrd
Oh, c'mon. Can't you pass a SAN check for a Deep One?

Anonymous Wyrd November 27, 2015 4:25 PM  

Conan would be left gibbering.

Blogger Harry Spitz November 27, 2015 4:26 PM  

So, what do these SJWs think of other authors of that era like Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E. Howard, Philip Nowlan, PC Wren, Barones Orczy, Dornford Yates, Sapper, Manly Wade Wellman, etc.?

Anonymous Natasha November 27, 2015 4:30 PM  

The ideological purity stage of the political ideology life cycle seems to have begun. Boris? You better be very careful my darling. This could be more dangerous than Moose and Squirrel.

Anonymous Mr. Wizard November 27, 2015 4:35 PM  

The Moose and Squirrel have no power against SJW bullshit.

Anonymous Natasha November 27, 2015 4:37 PM  

@9
Darling, they say "Nyet" to the works of these authors and authoresses This is Year 1... again.

Blogger Civis Silas November 27, 2015 4:37 PM  

If SJWs had it their way, they would eventually ban all of Lovecraft's works for being racist. Left unfettered, the Maoists currently taking over American college campuses would no doubt eventually make this a part of their agenda. Sadly for them, it would seem that they'll soon face some rather stiff opposition that their fragile little amygdalae are woefully ill-equipped to face.

ISIS destroys the monuments of ancient civilizations; civilizations that were long-gone even in the time of Muhammad. SJWs attack the accomplishments of men who were dead by the time their beliefs and vocabulary even had a presence in cultural discourse. Both denigrate and destroy the legacies of people much greater than themselves. Their crimes? The unconscionable sin of being unable to keep up with the fashions of the current year.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 27, 2015 4:45 PM  

When the Lovecraftians are the sane ones, the Elder Gods are nigh.

Blogger Geir Balderson November 27, 2015 4:49 PM  

@1 Steve

I believe I am owed some compensation for possible emotional damage after gazing upon visage of Medusa. I feel as though i have been to ellen and back. So, a small check will be required to purchase a bottle of Buffalo Trace to sooth my soul back to my safe place.

Anonymous Natasha November 27, 2015 4:51 PM  

@13
Ya, they are generational supremacists. No talent current generation must destroy all accomplishments of previous generations.

What happen when you can not rise to heights of what previous generations built?

Answer: You tear down.

When you too lazy and stupid to build... you destroy instead.

Anonymous Rocky November 27, 2015 4:52 PM  

Natasha, please tell the uninformed wizard of the moose and squirrels' many timely escapes from your cunning traps. These SJWs have nothing on you and Boris.

Anonymous Natasha November 27, 2015 4:53 PM  

Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

Old Russian proverb I think.

Blogger Civis Silas November 27, 2015 4:55 PM  

@16

Which I am perfectly fine with. It will merely make the inevitable salting of Tumblr's servers all the more gratifying.

SJW delenda est. Delenda est SJW.

Blogger Antillious November 27, 2015 4:56 PM  

So they're dumping Twain next right?

Anonymous Mr. Knowitall November 27, 2015 4:57 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFcUJ1tDqDA

Anonymous Natasha November 27, 2015 4:57 PM  

@17
Ya, Moose and Squirrel very cunning adversaries. Foil evil plans of Boris and I many times. Much smarter than SJW. SJW's just plain crazy.

Blogger Noah B #120 November 27, 2015 4:59 PM  

Soon they'll be tearing down the memorial to the famous racist and segregationist Abraham Lincoln. It's going to be epic.

Anonymous Mud November 27, 2015 5:07 PM  

Hi Mr. Knowitall, my name is Mud

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 27, 2015 5:07 PM  

Woodrow Wilson’s name eliminated from the campus merely because he made a few racist comments, as if these comments somehow repudiate all the significant political and diplomatic achievements of his career.)

Of course Wilson did a lot more than make "a few racist comments". The man enacted racist policies. Many, in fact. And if you actually don't like the things that Wilson did during his career, then repudiating him is quite sensible. But he's right that the people wanting Wilson removed would probably approve of his career, and are instead focusing solely on the racial things.

Anonymous Grab yourself a can of pork soda! November 27, 2015 5:11 PM  

Hi Mr. Knowitall, my name is Mud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko

Anonymous Nxx November 27, 2015 5:14 PM  

@1 Ellen Datlow who, ironically, looks like a Lovecraftian nightmare

That's Joe Pesci fooling around with a wig

Anonymous Mark McSherry November 27, 2015 5:17 PM  

And yet, "they" have their James Tiptree, Jr. Literary Award-

"The James Tiptree, Jr. Literary Award Council intends to continue to provide Fellowships in future years. Over time, the Fellowship program will create a network of Fellows who can build connections, provide mutual support, and find opportunities for collaboration. This effort will complement the on-going work of the Award — that is, the celebration of speculative fiction that expands and explores gender roles in thought-provoking, imaginative, and occasionally infuriating ways. The Tiptree Award is intended to reward those writers who are bold enough to contemplate shifts and changes in gender roles, a fundamental aspect of any society."

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2015/11/tiptree-award-announces-selection-tiptree-fellows/

Fine and dandy but per Wiki- "...on May 19, 1987, Sheldon (aka Tiptree) finally carried through her threat -- by shooting her husband in his sleep, followed by herself. They were found dead, hand-in-hand in bed, in their Virginia home."

How many people did Lovecraft, an 'anti-semite' who married a woman from a Jewish family, kill?

Anonymous Seneca November 27, 2015 5:21 PM  

If I were nitpicking about Woodrow Wilson, I'd highlight "significant political and diplomatic acheivements." You spelled, "utterly pernicious and disastrous influence on America, and the world for all of the 20th century" wrong.

Anonymous Mike November 27, 2015 5:30 PM  

Leftists always devour each other. This was evident even in the first appearance of the left during the French Revolution. The radical Montagnards were supplanted by the Jacobins, who were shoved aside by the even more radical and bloodthirsty Cordeliers.

Robespierre, the Jacobin leader, ended up in the tender embrace of Madame Guillotine. Plus ça change ...

Blogger EF November 27, 2015 5:31 PM  

Easy fix: they should just hold a rally and burn any literary works they don't like and throw in effigies of any persons they despise (if they're already long dead). Scratch that, they could just exhume Lovecraft's corpse and burn it too!

Blogger Civis Silas November 27, 2015 5:36 PM  

@30

Would the incineration of his body be held before or after it is put on trial for crimes against brave, strong PoC?

Blogger Rantor November 27, 2015 5:40 PM  

So is there a similar motivation which causes Maoist, SJWs and ISIS to destroy the past as they drive us to a purer future? OBTW one Pentagon consultant is teaching that ISIS is Maoist in their organization, he credits that with their rapid expansion... These SJW student protestors increasingly behave like Maoists... Hormones in beef? Global warming? Too many Jerry Seinfeld reruns? We must find the root cause, dig it up, and destroy it, in a friendly and lawful manner.

Anonymous Usenet Lurker November 27, 2015 5:49 PM  

Dan Clore? I remember that hideous fuck from Usenet. He's a homicidal communist maniac of the so-called "anarchist" variety. He's probably further to the left than ST Joshi, so gets to call her racist, sexist, classist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc.

Blogger Phillip George November 27, 2015 5:57 PM  

devouring themselves and each other PolPot style.

Am I on my own thinking "paying tribute" to people caught in a turkey shoot at a concert hall isn't the right word? A "tribute" to victims? Does that really embody SJW mourning?

as in we pay the tribute to the gods of multiculturalism and celebrate this small offering of 129?

Not rhetorical, not a joke.

Blogger Dave November 27, 2015 5:58 PM  

By the way, this is not the first time I've seen Ellen Datlow's name mentioned with regards to egregious SJW lunacy. She would appear to be nearly as ideologically insane as Patrick Nielsen Hayden.

Please be careful Vox; it's painfully obvious that being an editor for extended periods of time can dramatically affect your physical ans psychological makeup. Have you felt yourself irresistibly drawn to attend close-by conventions for no particular reason? Have you noticed a thickening of your waist and a loss of lean muscle mass no matter what you eat? Are you, heaven forbid, starting to notice the innate attractiveness of rainbow hair?

Please, please take the proper precautions before it's too late. Perhaps you should limit your editing to a set number of hours per day. If you must lock yourself up in a safe space when the moon is out, you will know it's for the safety of you and your family.

Blogger rumpole5 November 27, 2015 6:02 PM  

Re: "Lovecraftian nightmare". I delight in the source of torment return to this female - just deserts on more than one level, since she has obviously enjoyed a few, but if you just sit in an mall and observe the folks walking by, you'll soon notice that most are rather ugly. I would estimate 7 out of 10, and even more in locales that have more of English, Irish, and Slav descent.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 27, 2015 6:03 PM  

Obviously all the good progs need to double down.

Blogger Phillip George November 27, 2015 6:05 PM  

tribute (n.) Look up tribute at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "stated sum of money or other valuable consideration paid by one ruler or country to another in acknowledgment of submission


SJW, submission, as many as we eat, sacrifice, burn, devour this week, we are prepared to do the same next week, and the week after, for the greater good.

Blogger rumpole5 November 27, 2015 6:07 PM  

Re: "Lovecraftian nightmare". I delight in the source of torment return to this female - just deserts on more than one level, since she has obviously enjoyed a few, but if you just sit in an mall and observe the folks walking by, you'll soon notice that most are rather ugly. I would estimate 7 out of 10, and even more in locales that have more of English, Irish, and Slav descent.

Blogger Dave November 27, 2015 6:18 PM  

English, Irish, and Slav descent.

What are you saying rumpole? You need to find a better seat or another mall.

Blogger IsMishe November 27, 2015 6:44 PM  

rumpole5 has the peculiar sexual fantasy of being "jostled by a nautical looking negro", repeatedly.

Blogger Harsh November 27, 2015 6:57 PM  

but if you just sit in an mall and observe the folks walking by, you'll soon notice that most are rather ugly. I would estimate 7 out of 10, and even more in locales that have more of English, Irish, and Slav descent.

You want to see bone-chilling ugly? Go to any inner-city neighborhood.

Blogger maniacprovost November 27, 2015 7:06 PM  

So... Cosmic Horror... malevolent alien forces driving men insane... apocalyptic cults worshiping hideous idols in the woods... those are the subject matter at hand, and people are shocked by racism?

Anonymous Big Bill November 27, 2015 7:28 PM  

"It is, for example, an historical error to pass condign judgment on figures of the past because they are perceived to have departed from the moral, political, and social views to which we adhere."

Yup, this says it all. He really IS a crazed racist bigot. He only THOUGHT he was a leftie. Nota bene, buddy. Lovecraft didn't "depart" from anything. Mainstream nutcase egalitarianism didn't exist back then. Lovecraft was mainstream... as was your great granny who likely also agreed with Lovecraft.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett November 27, 2015 7:44 PM  

Never commented before, but I never heard condign before, and had to look it up. (I don't have to look up words often.). Lo and behold, it was used improperly

Blogger rumpole5 November 27, 2015 8:32 PM  

"English, Irish, and Slav descent." For whatever reason, Dutch, Germans, and especially Scandinavians seem to enjoy a higher percentage of good looking members who keep their good looks longer. English folks tend toward an angular bony appearance with long skinny teeth, Irish have those pug noses, and mashed mouths. They and the English lose their hair early, the Slavs also seem to age really quickly, from slim dish to fat grandma in a few short years. I was really just thinking about white folks in the mall, frankly. Apples and oranges.

Anonymous jdgalt November 27, 2015 8:35 PM  

ST Joshi may be leftist, but he understates the case for racism against Woodrow Wilson. Indeed, I would not honor the man either: he didn't just make "a few racist comments" -- he personally ordered the segregation of the federal civil service, which lasted until the LBJ administration. I seem to recall that the KKK gave him an award for doing it, too. I suspect that Joshi is in denial about that because of Wilson's importance in the early "progressive" movement.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 8:54 PM  

This is a job for Puppies!

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 8:56 PM  

@1 Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery

Ellen Datlow who, ironically, looks like a Lovecraftian nightmare.
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Aha, Puppy senses indicate an Innsmouth Fish look.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 9:01 PM  

@9 Harry Spitz

So, what do these SJWs think of other authors of that era like Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert E. Howard, Philip Nowlan, PC Wren, Barones Orczy, Dornford Yates, Sapper, Manly Wade Wellman, etc.?
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That's a fine list you've got there :P

Yes, they are continually working against many of those authors, in particular REH. There was a post here about it within the last 3 months or so. There was another one about HPL here as well. I don't know how to search the archives, though.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 9:04 PM  

@14 TheRedSkull

When the Lovecraftians are the sane ones, the Elder Gods are nigh.
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Enjoy:
BOC The Old Gods Return

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 9:10 PM  

@20 Antillious

So they're dumping Twain next right?
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SJWs will probably first attempt to make him gay or a pedo, and failing that then dump him.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 9:15 PM  

Only in the insane modern world would HPL and the Confederate flag have something in common.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 27, 2015 9:18 PM  

I think these SJWs, before they hit the big time, practice Doubling Down at the buffet.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 27, 2015 10:19 PM  

@37. rumpole5

if you just sit in an mall and observe the folks walking by, you'll soon notice that most are rather ugly. I would estimate 7 out of 10, and even more in locales that have more of English, Irish, and Slav descent.

At the Saturday market on the main street in St. Albans, England is found an interesting collection of people. Aside from the various non-English tourists or invaders, some of them look fairly modern, but others look just like the people in the Medieval drawings, if only they had polyester back then. Put the Cathedral behind them and make a painting or a pencil sketch: it would be impossible to tell which post-Roman century you're looking at, unless they holding an adze or an iPhone.

Blogger Groot November 27, 2015 11:07 PM  

No offense to all you sigmas, but, damn...
༽ ༽ ༼ ༼
║ʘ ʘ║
║ ▃▃ ║

Blogger Gapeseed November 28, 2015 12:05 AM  

There is a large cohort of people who tilt left as a means of self-protection, knowing that it may garner some career or personal benefit without the risk that conservatives and libertarians will act like leftists and hold all politics personal. Add ST Joshi to the list of people who have been rudely disabused of that notion.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 28, 2015 3:58 AM  

@57. Groot

No offense to all you sigmas, but, damn...

Stumped again? Can't seem to get to the root of the problem? Let's put some math on it. Let

1) x = 1
2) A = the square root of x

What exactly is A? No ifs, ands, or buts.

3) B = the square root of A

What is B? The operation of the atoms themselves depend on this Answer. Either one answer or Many Worlds.

Blogger Lovekraft November 28, 2015 8:52 AM  

Although the delusion and denial of SJWs is of cosmic proportions, the time is here where they are going to have to put their money where their mouth is, in a way:

if they oppose so-called western cultural elitism, they are going to have to integrate with those cultures they defend: put their white children in overwhelmingly third-world-filled schools, force their children to learn about these decrepit cultures, only stay at 2-star hotels etc etc etc.

Only fitting that they practice what they preach.

Blogger Lovekraft November 28, 2015 8:58 AM  

@ Mike #30:

Speaking of guillotines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e-lv9q7hDg

"there's a garden that we walk through but it's dying so we cut it down,
It's overgrown we all fall down, we all fall down."

or

"they rounded up the blacks but I'm not black so...
they rounded up the reds but I'm not red so..
they rounded up the junkies and the flunkies and the donkeys and I'm scared to whistle swanee 'cause they'll ask me for my spit"

Blogger Harry Spitz November 28, 2015 9:06 AM  

@51. Were-Puppy
Those authors were among best, or at least most entertaining, of that era. I wonder what scriblings from HPL's era would meet their oh-so-high standards?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 28, 2015 10:31 AM  

@62 Harry Spitz

Those are my favorite due to excitement, adventure, etc.

SJWs find a cornucopia of things to whine about here.
Conan is a white guy. Conan is sexist, homophobic, racist, anti trans-tard, etc.

I'm surprised they haven't gone after the Hyborian Age from the "cultural appropriation" angle. REH made a nice mish mash of a lot of historical ages to create his exciting background world, with enough historical and cultural influences that you can guess which real culture or place he was cribbing from.

I've got a poor memory atm, but I remember a lot of the proto-sjws began going after REH when he had a resurgence of popularity in the 70s and 80s, and a lot of it was driven by De Camp and his armchair psychology of REH.

They desperately wanted to make him seem crazy (because of the suicide) and came up with all kinds of mommy issues and such to attribute to him (his mother had recently died).

Not to mention, the pastiches themselves are no where near the same quality as REH originals. I mean really, Conan and satyrs? ROFLMAO, that's got to rank up there with sparkly vampires :P

SJWs are like termites destroying the inside foundations of a house. They slowly eat away at it until you look and the the entire thing is rotten from the inside. Or maybe they are like the impending Chaos from the Elric stories, always creeping closer, consuming reality into a fluid sludge ever creeping over the realm of order.

Blogger Joshua_D November 28, 2015 12:33 PM  

That's a man baby!

Blogger Joshua_D November 28, 2015 12:34 PM  

That's a man baby!

Blogger Groot November 28, 2015 2:52 PM  

@59. Forrest Bishop:

Did you just self-identify? That was my shocked face, not an inkblot, but let's go down the rabbit-hole into that world.

The answer is both complex and imaginary.

@63. Were-Puppy:
"termites"

You've triggered me. Don't get me started on termites.

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