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Wednesday, November 11, 2015

Shunning the SFF-SJWs

From File 770 comes word that two-time World Fantasy Award-winner S.T. Joshi understands that the correct way to deal with SJWs is to reject them, their ideas, and their infested organizations alike.
It has come to my attention that the World Fantasy Convention has decided to replace the bust of H. P. Lovecraft that constitutes the World Fantasy Award with some other figure. Evidently this move was meant to placate the shrill whining of a handful of social justice warriors who believe that a “vicious racist” like Lovecraft has no business being honoured by such an award. (Let it pass that analogous accusations could be made about Bram Stoker and John W. Campbell, Jr., who also have awards named after them. These figures do not seem to elicit the outrage of the SJWs.) Accordingly, I have returned my two World Fantasy Awards to the co-chairman of the WFC board, David G. Hartwell. Here is my letter to him:

Mr. David G. Hartwell
Tor Books
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY 10010

Dear Mr. Hartwell:

I was deeply disappointed with the decision of the World Fantasy Convention to discard the bust of H. P. Lovecraft as the emblem of the World Fantasy Award. The decision seems to me a craven yielding to the worst sort of political correctness and an explicit acceptance of the crude, ignorant, and tendentious slanders against Lovecraft propagated by a small but noisy band of agitators.

I feel I have no alternative but to return my two World Fantasy Awards, as they now strike me as irremediably tainted. Please find them enclosed. You can dispose of them as you see fit.

Please make sure that I am not nominated for any future World Fantasy Award. I will not accept the award if it is bestowed upon me.

I will never attend another World Fantasy Convention as long as I live. And I will do everything in my power to urge a boycott of the World Fantasy Convention among my many friends and colleagues.

    Yours,
    S. T. Joshi


And that is all I will have to say on this ridiculous matter. If anyone feels that Lovecraft’s perennially ascending celebrity, reputation, and influence will suffer the slightest diminution as a result of this silly kerfuffle, they are very much mistaken.
No respect. No contact. No validation. No mercy. No quarter. Those who have read SJWAL have seen that their very worst vituperation is best taken as praise, and their nominal praise is worth less than nothing. I received the following email this morning:

I just got your book in the mail today and am into the prologue and I had to put it down to email you to just plain thank you for writing it. I wish I could hear my enemies sing my praises the way your enemies sing yours.
A man is defined by his enemies as well as by his friends. S.T. Joshi, although a Man of the Left, has done very well indeed to refuse to accept the accolades of the SJWs. And note that, once more, it is TOR BOOKS that is right at the heart of the SJW infestation in science fiction and fantasy.

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92 Comments:

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 11, 2015 11:12 AM  

No Octavia Butler award for you, Joshi!

Blogger IM2L844 November 11, 2015 11:26 AM  

"Can't we all just get along?"

No.

Blogger Rico Suave November 11, 2015 11:33 AM  

Yesterday I bought two friends in Missouri copies. They're gonna need it.

OpenID frankluke.com November 11, 2015 11:36 AM  

ST Joshi: "Good day, sir! I said, good day!"

Blogger Nate November 11, 2015 11:44 AM  

the comments at File 770 never disappoint.

Anonymous Bz November 11, 2015 11:53 AM  

Well done, Joshi.

I'm a bit puzzled by Hartwell in the middle of this, though. He seems to be keeping the wrong company.

Blogger Rabbi B November 11, 2015 11:57 AM  

Someone with a backbone. Refreshing.

Blogger VD November 11, 2015 12:00 PM  

I'm a bit puzzled by Hartwell in the middle of this, though. He seems to be keeping the wrong company.

He's not obnoxious or evangelical like Hayden, and I found him to be a genuinely pleasant individual the one time I spoke with him, but if you read one of his recent SF Best anthologies, nearly every story is chock-full of chewy SJW goodness.

Blogger Danby November 11, 2015 12:01 PM  

@5 Nate
the comments at File 770 never disappoint.
as long as you're looking for stupidity, virtue signalling and stupidity.
Otherwise, yes pretty disappointing to see that kind of crap from "intelligent" "adults"

Anonymous Rigel Kent November 11, 2015 12:02 PM  

Point 1: This is the first I've heard of Mr. Joshi, but now I feel a strong desire to check out his stuff.

Point 2: Lovecraft is a legend who will be read and remembered long after these SJW twats are dust.

Anonymous John Doe November 11, 2015 12:04 PM  

So had an SJW written a similar letter you all would crow about how it was all bad feelz and being perpetually outraged. Yet all I see in this letter is the exact same thing.

I'm outraged because you didn't think of my feelings and changed a trophy. How dare you make me feel bad, and or rascist. Now I'm gonna tell all my friends to be outraged too.

What dupes some of you are.

Anonymous REG November 11, 2015 12:08 PM  

That is interesting. Just before coming to this site, I requested to be unfriended by a long time (supposedly Libertarian) friend on Facebook who posts a lot of left wing stuff; because, it sounds like they are promoting liberty but it's the serfs collar being notched up.. For a long time I have given polite rebuttals (well usually) and earned the name "That Guy" My friend posted a notice that she would not tolerate any more controversy on her page. So sometime today, she should have no problems any more. The really good thing for me though is the knowledge that I am in the company of none other than a two time (on merit) award winning author. Is that not cool.

Blogger Rabbi B November 11, 2015 12:11 PM  

@11 John Doe

Why does John Doe hate SJWs so much?

Blogger Tom K. November 11, 2015 12:11 PM  

What SJW don't recognize, or care about, is that the prestige of these awards exists only because of the high esteem in which those voting for the awards are held by one anothe. If I don't value your opinion how could I be honored to receive an award from you?

Like Sally Fields cushing embarrassingly to the Academy, "You like me! You really like me!" She valued the opinion of her fellow actors so much she was willing to humiliate herself on global television to acknowledge it.

SWJs crap on everything they touch. In taking over these awards they are only destroying them, since no one of any worth will be "honored" to receive recognition from them. All the future recipients will be left with is the fading memory of the esteem in which the award was once held.

Blogger Anonymous Robot November 11, 2015 12:13 PM  

This is a reason to purchase Joshii's works, even if I do not have time to read them.

Blogger James Dixon November 11, 2015 12:13 PM  

> So had an SJW written a similar letter you all would crow about how it was all bad feelz and being perpetually outraged.

We're not the ones who set the terms of engagement.

Blogger BassmanCO November 11, 2015 12:15 PM  

@11

Did Joshi say he felt racist? Did he apologize for any of Lovecraft's words or beliefs? No. He said renaming award for a small group of vocal whiners was ridiculous. Nice how you equate that with the SJWs who will exaggerate and flat out lie about anything.

Anonymous REG November 11, 2015 12:17 PM  

"11. John Doe November 11, 2015 12:04 PM

So had an SJW written a similar letter you all would crow about how it was all bad feelz and being perpetually outraged. Yet all I see in this letter is the exact same thing."

Except when have you seen a SJW return an award. Most likely they would ask that they be able to trade in the old one for new. But if they did, we probably would applaud them for their being willing to stand up for their standards and most of us respect a good enemy which the SJWs fall short on. It's always - YOU should! with your bunch. Back to the basement, kid.

Blogger Lovekraft November 11, 2015 12:19 PM  

This was the best news I've heard all day.

When I think of the writing of H.P. Lovecraft, my mind slowly develops a cold mist and wailing winds over a black, desolate alien landscape. A portal appears through which one perceives the idiot god Azathoth, shimmering to the frantic screeches of his flutists.

Not many other authors I can think of that even come close to evoking this mindset.

Anonymous karsten November 11, 2015 12:19 PM  

I'm impressed.

In some of his commentary, I've found STJoshi to be rather cravenly apologetic over Lovecraft's "political incorrectness." That he would take this firm stance against the SJWs and issue this statement makes me think rather better of him.

Blogger Tom K. November 11, 2015 12:20 PM  

@John Doe. Can SJWs be taught? Let's see.

It is not the same thing. They did not merely change the design of the trophy, they changed the very CHARACTER if the award. It is now a totally DIFFERENT award. Mr. Joshi wants nothing to do with this "new" award.

Understand? If not we will have proof SJEs cannot be taught.

Blogger JartStar November 11, 2015 12:20 PM  

@11 That's a failed attempt at moral equivalency. You're such a moron, and your comments are always good for a laugh.

Blogger VD November 11, 2015 12:24 PM  

So had an SJW written a similar letter you all would crow about how it was all bad feelz and being perpetually outraged.

No, we wouldn't. You are lying. Either produce evidence that we have done so when SJW or even SJW sympathizers have withdrawn from consideration for an award or retract.

Numerous SJWs withdrew from the Hugo Awards this year. Where was the crowing? As I said, you are lying. And, of course, as we know, SJWs always lie.

Anonymous Viidad November 11, 2015 12:25 PM  

John Doe: "What dupes some of you are."

Translation:

"Waaaaaaaa.... waaaaaaaa... waaaaaa!!! You're not allowed to fight back!"

Go back to your hidey hole, fatso.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 12:25 PM  

"A man is defined by his enemies as well as by his friends. S.T. Joshi, although a Man of the Left, has done very well indeed to refuse to accept the accolades of the SJWs. And note that, once more, it is TOR BOOKS that is right at the heart of the SJW infestation in science fiction and fantasy."


His name is associated with a lot of things involving HPL in the modern days. This makes his rejection of the WFA even more bitter, as he might be THE main guy supporting HPL in the modern times.

TOR again. Is it any wonder, they are already working the Hugos over, I suppose they got their meat hooks into many other awards too.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 12:26 PM  

I mean, bitter for the WFA, not for S.T. Joshi.

Anonymous Azathoth November 11, 2015 12:26 PM  

Do not be too hard on my SJW minions. They are merely the Earthly manifestation of the flopping horde of mindless and amorphous dancers that surrounds me on my black throne at the centre of the universe. Their task is to go among you and spread chaos, while chanting "raciss, raciss!" amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile rap music and the thin monotonous whine of accursed journalism professors.

Blogger Dave November 11, 2015 12:27 PM  

Interesting that this-two-time World Fantasy Award-winner returned the award whereas previous award winners that raised and stirred the controversy do not have the conviction of their beliefs to refuse or return the award.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 12:29 PM  

@11 John Doe
So had an SJW written a similar letter you all would crow about how it was all bad feelz and being perpetually outraged. Yet all I see in this letter is the exact same thing.

I'm outraged because you didn't think of my feelings and changed a trophy. How dare you make me feel bad, and or rascist. Now I'm gonna tell all my friends to be outraged too.

What dupes some of you are.
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Far be it from me to burst a Useful Idiot's bubble.

Blogger Dystopic November 11, 2015 12:33 PM  

When my own musings on the Sad & Rabid Puppies affair got picked up on File770, and the comments there turned ugly, I felt good. The lamentations of my enemies are worth more to me than all the token praise, trophies, and awards in the world.

Blogger Tom K. November 11, 2015 12:39 PM  

@John Doe. Can SJWs be taught? Let's see.

It is not the same thing. They did not merely change the design of the trophy, they changed the very CHARACTER if the award. It is now a totally DIFFERENT award. Mr. Joshi wants nothing to do with this "new" award.

Understand? If not we will have proof SJEs cannot be taught.

Blogger Tom K. November 11, 2015 12:39 PM  

What SJW don't recognize, or care about, is that the prestige of these awards exists only because of the high esteem in which those voting for the awards are held by one anothe. If I don't value your opinion how could I be honored to receive an award from you?

Like Sally Fields cushing embarrassingly to the Academy, "You like me! You really like me!" She valued the opinion of her fellow actors so much she was willing to humiliate herself on global television to acknowledge it.

SWJs crap on everything they touch. In taking over these awards they are only destroying them, since no one of any worth will be "honored" to receive recognition from them. All the future recipients will be left with is the fading memory of the esteem in which the award was once held.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 12:42 PM  

@1 Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery
No Octavia Butler award for you, Joshi!
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Best award ever! First time I saw that, I thought someones potato had been baking too long.

I really wonder who the inspiration was for the award? Was it
Lando?,
Lamont?.
Woody?

Anonymous John Doe November 11, 2015 12:47 PM  

Vox,

I went back and reread what you wrote about Kloos and Bennet, or whatever her name is, my apologies I was wrong concerning your reaction.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2015 12:51 PM  

Partially Off Topic
Author/works Ilk recommendation: Robin Hobb, Assassins Apprentice universe: Worth the time, or SJW drivel?

DM

Blogger Dave November 11, 2015 12:53 PM  

@Were-Puppy, I feel like you are mocking Steve's mockery of this controversy. Seriously, Lamont? No way, man.

Blogger Gaiseric November 11, 2015 12:57 PM  

I've never been particularly impressed with the body of work of Joshi, but... hot damn! That was perfect!

Blogger Dystopic November 11, 2015 12:59 PM  

@37: "I've never been particularly impressed with the body of work of Joshi, but... hot damn! That was perfect!"

I almost started clapping. It was a brilliant move.

Anonymous Karl Schur November 11, 2015 1:00 PM  

@11 John Doe
Concern troll is concerned.

Blogger Dave November 11, 2015 1:05 PM  

you all would crow about

What dupes some of you are.


Strangely enough the apology is directed only to Vox. The rest of you all still blow.

Blogger luagha November 11, 2015 1:10 PM  

I found the Assassin's Apprentice series annoying and not worth my time in the end. (It was on a shared Kindle account so I got it for free.)

The hero is a loser, is betrayed, does not take vengeance on his betrayers, the resolution of the big excitement is a goofy magical thing that has little to do with the political machinations of the beginning that lead him to become an Assassin's Apprentice, the main time that he actually attempts to assassinate someone it doesn't work and is a trap because the author says so, he has special powers he refuses to learn how to use even though they could be much more awesome....

Eh.

Blogger Gaiseric November 11, 2015 1:16 PM  

I wonder if this merits another salvo in the letter writing campaign to Tor...

Blogger VD November 11, 2015 1:17 PM  

I went back and reread what you wrote about Kloos and Bennet, or whatever her name is, my apologies I was wrong concerning your reaction.

Accepted. As a general rule, you will find that equivalence almost never applies between us and the SJWs. Hell, a significant portion of my latest book deals with trying to convince even the most rabid anti-SJWs that utilizing tactics already used against them by SJWs is justified.

But note that you weren't just wrong about me, you were wrong about everyone here. No one came down hard on John O'Neill, Matthew David Surridge, Annie Bellet, or anyone else. For the most part, we all simply ignored them.

Blogger VD November 11, 2015 1:29 PM  

I found the Assassin's Apprentice series annoying and not worth my time in the end.

Totally agree. There was very little in the way of assassinations and the protagonist was, as you say, a loser.

Blogger Daniel November 11, 2015 1:30 PM  

Lovecraft was just so wrong for believing that his cultural identity would be wiped out! That's why we must wipe out his image!

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 1:31 PM  

@36 Dave
@Were-Puppy, I feel like you are mocking Steve's mockery of this controversy. Seriously, Lamont? No way, man.
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My bad, I am not trying to mock Steve in any way. I just notice the "art work" he linked, and trying to imagine how anyone could have possibly come up with it. I got nothing against Lando, Lamont, or Woody!

Blogger Gaiseric November 11, 2015 1:36 PM  

My bad, I am not trying to mock Steve in any way. I just notice the "art work" he linked, and trying to imagine how anyone could have possibly come up with it. I got nothing against Lando, Lamont, or Woody!

You have seen Octavia Butler, right?

Anonymous Heh November 11, 2015 1:49 PM  

I found the Assassin's Apprentice series annoying and not worth my time in the end.

Totally agree. There was very little in the way of assassinations and the protagonist was, as you say, a loser.


Don't even get me started on those damn Gene Wolfe Torturer novels. There was hardly any torture! Least of all any interesting new ones! Just lots of boring traipsing around. What a letdown those were.

Blogger Anthony November 11, 2015 1:50 PM  

What Joshi doesn't say, and I didn't see in the comments at File770 I was able to get through, is that removing H.P. Lovecraft from the award is cutting off fantasy from its history. (And what an irony - to cut off a bunch of medievalists from history!)

If they'd named some WisCon skiffy award after Benjanun Sriwhatever, then changed the name after the Requires Hate kerfuffle, that wouldn't be so bad - she's new to the field, and she's not an important part of skiffy history, even SJW skiffy. But unless they're going to replace Lovecraft with someone from the period who is at least as fantasy-roots as Lovecraft (who? Tolkien? Chesterton? Burroughs?), removing Lovecraft is a deliberate attempt to separate modern fantasy from its history.

Blogger Dexter November 11, 2015 1:57 PM  

removing H.P. Lovecraft from the award is cutting off fantasy from its history.

It is not an irony. It is an intentional program.

"Progressives" must destroy the past. Any honest comparison of the past with the present would show that the effect of their policies is not "progress" but its opposite. Therefore the past must be presented dishonestly as evil, racist, oppressive, homophobic, etc.

In Fantasy and SF, just compare the works of the authors of the past with the regurgitated wood-pulp produced by the insects who win awards in the present and you will see why the SJWs are so anxious to malign and obliterate the past.

Blogger VD November 11, 2015 2:03 PM  


Don't even get me started on those damn Gene Wolfe Torturer novels.


Yeah, because Robin Hobb's work is every bit as rich and complex and literary as Gene Wolfe's. In fact, we plan on publishing a book devoted to the literary work of her novels after the second volume on Wolfe is complete.

Blogger tweell November 11, 2015 2:28 PM  

The John W. Campbell award is almost certainly on the SJW's short list of accolades to be changed out. The Tor-iots would want it to become the John M. Scalzi award, in hopes that this would improve Scalzi's book sales (gotta pay back that massive advance). If his privilege isn't enough to sway that, then perhaps the N.K. Jemison award.

The Bram Stoker award should be more difficult for them to do away with, but I've been wrong before.

Anonymous John Doe November 11, 2015 2:28 PM  

As Vox pointed out I was wrong about everyone's reactions. So my apologies to the entire thread. Sloppy work by me previously.

Blogger Daniel November 11, 2015 2:36 PM  

@52 The Bram Stoker award should be more difficult for them to do away with

Only because these are the retards who still think vampires sparkle with lust. I just hope they rename that one to Team Bella or 50 Shades of Gay or whatever.

World Fantasy should change their sculpture to a nude bust of Chip Delaney as a child, masturbating with his building supervisor. They could call it the Hogg.

Blogger Dystopic November 11, 2015 2:37 PM  

I'm waiting for them to come after Dune and Frank Herbert. The Baron Harkonnen was just being fat-shamed by the vile Atreides with their White privilege. And why was the Kwisatz Haderach supposed to be male? Sexist!

Blogger Daniel November 11, 2015 2:44 PM  

Joshi is fairly solid. Very meticulous in details, which is why he isn't terribly vivid or moving as a biographer, but I don't mind that. For example, despite his left wing politics, he was the one to point out that Lovecraft was, in fact, a New Deal Democrat:

“As for the Republicans -- how can one regard seriously a frightened, greedy, nostalgic huddle of tradesmen and lucky idlers who shut their eyes to history and science, steel their emotions against decent human sympathy, cling to sordid and provincial ideals exalting sheer acquisitiveness and condoning artificial hardship for the non-materially-shrewd, dwell smugly and sentimentally in a distorted dream-cosmos of outmoded phrases and principles and attitudes based on the bygone agricultural-handicraft world, and revel in (consciously or unconsciously) mendacious assumptions (such as the notion that real liberty is synonymous with the single detail of unrestricted economic license or that a rational planning of resource-distribution would contravene some vague and mystical 'American heritage'...) utterly contrary to fact and without the slightest foundation in human experience? Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead.” - H.P. Lovecraft...not quite progressive enough for the child molesters who took his trophy down.

Blogger Daniel November 11, 2015 2:44 PM  

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Blogger Dave November 11, 2015 2:56 PM  

Thank you John Doe for not doubling down

OpenID lostsailor32 November 11, 2015 3:03 PM  

Replacing Lovecraft as the World Fantasy Award is probably a blessing. Would he want to be associated with the taint of what these awards have become?

I would suggest a more fitting change would be to rename the World Fantasy Award the "Bradley" and present the winners with a lifelike sculpture of Marion Zimmerman Bradley naked and fondling a child.

Far more appropriate and has the added benefit of bringing new meaning to a "fantasy" award...

Anonymous Rigel Kent November 11, 2015 3:04 PM  

Have you ever had some work of fiction that you were curious about what happened, but didn't actually want to read or watch or listen to find out? So you check out a summary on some wiki? That's how Robin Hobb's Assassin books are to me. I started the first one, but never finished it. Which is incredibly rare for me.

The thing is I think Hobb could be a good writer, but for some reason (at least with the Assassin books) something gets in her way. I don't know what that is, about all I can say is the first book left an impression of a very anti-male attitude.

Blogger mistaben November 11, 2015 3:07 PM  

@53 John Doe

Admitting you were wrong (when actually wrong) means a lot around here. Stick around a while.

Anonymous Bz November 11, 2015 3:09 PM  

"if you read one of his recent SF Best anthologies, nearly every story is chock-full of chewy SJW goodness."

I see. Sigh.

Blogger John Wright November 11, 2015 3:09 PM  

Bravo. A magnificent gesture.

Anonymous Bz November 11, 2015 3:11 PM  

How about instituting the H.P. Lovecraft Fantastic Literature Award? Joshi might be the first award committee chairman.

Blogger John Wright November 11, 2015 3:22 PM  

"I'm waiting for them to come after Dune and Frank Herbert. The Baron Harkonnen was just being fat-shamed by the vile Atreides with their White privilege. And why was the Kwisatz Haderach supposed to be male? Sexist!"

You are behind the times. The SJWs have already, at least in my hearing, denounced Frank Herbert for thoughtcrime on the grounds that his villain, Baron Harkonnen, was a pederast hence as homosexual. That they in other places deny a link between homosex and boy-diddling does not perturb their perfect of self righteousness: logic is not their strong suit.

To make a villain a sodomite offends the Great God homosex whom the SJWs adore. All homesexuals are to be portrayed as wise and compassionate sufferers who redeem the sins of the world via anal wankthrust.

Besides, Frank Herbert wrote many, many news cycles and fashion seasons ago, beyond the memory-horizon of the Morlocks. They are unable to imagine any year but the present, which is why to them it is always Year One.

Blogger Dexter November 11, 2015 3:33 PM  

They are unable to imagine any year but the present, which is why to them it is always Year One.

Wiki describes the SJW program precisely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_%28political_notion%29

"The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will ideally be purged and replaced from the ground up."

Blogger Gaiseric November 11, 2015 3:42 PM  

"Progressives" must destroy the past. Any honest comparison of the past with the present would show that the effect of their policies is not "progress" but its opposite. Therefore the past must be presented dishonestly as evil, racist, oppressive, homophobic, etc.

The irony is that the "worst" of their interpretations of what Lovecraft believed... have actually proven to be prophetic. He had good reason to be worried about what was happening to his beloved Anglo-Saxon culture.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 11, 2015 3:49 PM  

Yes, keeping up with the moving goalposts of the left must be tiring for SJWs. Ten years ago on Dune, they would have been offended that a child molester (bad) was shown to be homosexual (good). Homosexuals must always be portrayed as upright, classy, funny, attractive, valuable members of the community, in loving relationships with other consenting adults.

But now that the push is on to legitimize pederasty, they'll have to switch to being offended that the baron, a man with some perfectly natural preferences, was portrayed as an evil man partially because of those perfectly normal preferences. Or maybe they'll just complain that he was fat.

I know I've heard some SJW whining about Campbell and the kind of SF/F he encouraged. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them come after his award too.

Blogger Dexter November 11, 2015 3:55 PM  

Gernsback was noted for sharp (and sometimes shady) business practices, and for paying his writers extremely low fees or not paying them at all. H. P. Lovecraft and Clark Ashton Smith referred to him as "Hugo the Rat."

But what were his views about deviates and the Lesser Races?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 3:58 PM  

@47 Gaiseric
My bad, I am not trying to mock Steve in any way. I just notice the "art work" he linked, and trying to imagine how anyone could have possibly come up with it. I got nothing against Lando, Lamont, or Woody!

You have seen Octavia Butler, right?
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Nope, that was my problem.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 4:03 PM  

@55 Dystopic
I'm waiting for them to come after Dune and Frank Herbert. The Baron Harkonnen was just being fat-shamed by the vile Atreides with their White privilege. And why was the Kwisatz Haderach supposed to be male? Sexist!
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I am waiting on them to try and improve the image of Harkonnen. They need to make him the good guy of the story as they try and make it acceptable to be a pedo.

Anonymous Scintan November 11, 2015 4:11 PM  

the comments at File 770 never disappoint.

That site is a great reminder that writing ability is not synonymous with intelligence. The number of idiots posting there is astounding.

Blogger White Devil November 11, 2015 4:13 PM  

Cail Corishev
But now that the push is on to legitimize pederasty,
I think that's a decoy. Fat acceptance is due for another go.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 11, 2015 4:28 PM  

To be fair Lovecraft's eldritch horrors are would probably be prettier than most at a feminist convention.

@40 Dave Strangely enough the apology is directed only to Vox. The rest of you all still blow.

Oh no (clutches pearls) he is more homophobic than J C Wright.

Lovecraft was just so wrong for believing that his cultural identity would be wiped out! That's why we must wipe out his image!

Its a good thing Snowden leaked the Rivkin document.

Don't even get me started on those damn Gene Wolfe Torturer novels. There was hardly any torture!

Like Anne Rice's son's books the torture involved is in reading them to the end.

All homesexuals are to be portrayed as wise and compassionate sufferers who redeem the sins of the world via anal wankthrust.

Even a Gay Hispanic RN with a masters degree will act like a middle school girl. It took me a while to be wise enough to stop buying nice blown glass art for soon to be ex boyfriends to break.

Homosexuals must always be portrayed as upright, classy, funny, attractive, valuable members of the community, in loving relationships with other consenting adults.

On a recent post on Gaypatriot covered how many low class gays are out there, & how difficult to find high class ones. The current SJW definition for high class is the University Vice President that has "safe space" sex parties at his house for those too young to go to bars.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/11/08/looking-for-a-good-man-in-a-world-of-pajama-boys/

Blogger automatthew November 11, 2015 4:35 PM  

Author/works Ilk recommendation: Robin Hobb, Assassins Apprentice universe: Worth the time, or SJW drivel?

It's definitely not SJW drivel, although some of her latest work could be mistaken for such. The author previously wrote as Megan Lindholm, and I can recommend almost all of those books without qualification. The Lindholm books are all very short, especially in comparison to the Hobb books, and they seem to me to display a better understanding of the sexes.

Hobb has a consistent serious problem in hooking reader interest, but it's related to one of her strengths: a narrative where the deepness and complexity of the plot and the world-building are only gradually revealed. Even as a fan, I usually have to toil through the first volume of each trilogy, trusting that there's a point.

The Assassin series both benefits and suffers from its first person narrator. He's extremely unreliable, but not in so subtle a way as Severian of The Book of the New Sun. Some of the male supporting characters in Assassin are surprisingly well drawn.


Blogger Anonymous Robot November 11, 2015 5:03 PM  

That site is a great reminder that writing ability is not synonymous with intelligence.

Given that there seems to be precious little writing ability displayed at that site ...

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 5:07 PM  

In honor of the Ninja of Mockery, I apologize for being a n00b and present my first attempt at a meme:

SJW showing its true colors

Blogger Rabbi B November 11, 2015 5:12 PM  

@77 Were-Puppy

Impressive, young grasshopper . . . don't forget to bow to your sensei.

Blogger natschuster November 11, 2015 5:36 PM  

I just hope they don't move on to Robert E. Howard next.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 5:42 PM  

@79 natschuster
I just hope they don't move on to Robert E. Howard next.

They've been after REH a long time

Blogger Dave November 11, 2015 5:45 PM  

Rabbi BNovember 11, 2015 5:12 PM
@77 Were-Puppy

Impressive, young grasshopper . . . don't forget to bow to your sensei


+1 the mock-fu seed has sprouted

Anonymous Viidad November 11, 2015 6:25 PM  

@John Doe

Apology accepted and thanks for not going full SJW.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 11, 2015 6:51 PM  

@73 White Devil,

No doubt they'll continue pushing fat acceptance as part of the overall fight against beauty. But the real prize they now have their eyes set on, the goal they're going to push for even though it means risking a backlash and the loss of many of the gains they've made, is the right to diddle kids -- especially boys around the age of puberty.

Now, obviously I don't mean that everyone on the left wants to molest kids. Most still personally find the idea abhorrent, I'm sure. But just watch; that's where the left as a whole is headed over the next few years.

Or look at it this way: Imagine that you're the prince of this world. In recent years you've gotten marriage redefined to include sodomy in large parts of the world. You've suckered people into calling men women and women men. You have the pope running around with his crucifix hidden while he preaches about carbon credits, refusing to criticize anyone for anything except his own flock's faithful for being too devout. You have a state-supported, baby-killing business that's been murdering millions every year and now sells the parts at a profit.

At this point, are you gonna focus on a sideshow like fat acceptance, or are you gonna go for something really big?

Blogger GracieLou November 11, 2015 7:30 PM  

On the topic of year zero you can't get any better than John Wright's essay, "Chronophobia." Drink up this edited snippet like fine wine (better yet, read the whole thing on his website):

"So why this chronophobia, this ferocious hatred of times past? To answer that, we have to remind ourselves what makes a moonbat a moonbat. A moonbat is a person of otherwise normal levels of intelligence and decency who is addicted to a false vision of the world...[which has been] sold to them using modern Madison Avenue techniques based on a cynical study of human weaknesses.

The elements of the Grand Vision change from decade to decade...But one element never changes. The Grand Vision is always heaven on earth, a heaven without God, a heaven made by human hands, and the heaven can be achieved if you, the savior, merely forswears the straitjacket on normal morality, and, as an act of holy and noble defiance, indulge in the various vices and crimes to which your crooked nature already inclines you. All you need do is trample the crucifix and kiss the buttocks of the black iron idol of Baphomet, pardon me, I mean all you need do is oppose the oppressive Bourgeoisie morality, bravely throw poop on a few police cars, bravely claim to have favored the Civil Rights Act you and your party opposed, bravely commit adultery, bravery express toleration for sodomy, bravely do exactly what the lemming around you do, your every hair and whisker sensitive for any hint of change of the mob’s fickle opinion on the issues of the day, to be bravely sure you brave do exactly what ever other lemming does — because you are all nonconformists."

Blogger White Devil November 11, 2015 7:41 PM  

Cail Corishev
Or look at it this way...
Gotta say, you have me convinced. Can't bet big unless you're already on a roll...

Blogger freddie_mac November 11, 2015 7:57 PM  

Robin Hobb's Assassin series ---

Read the first book years ago when it first came out, and all I can remember is that I felt disappointed and numb. Never bothered picking up another RH book again.

Anonymous BGS November 11, 2015 7:59 PM  

Now, obviously I don't mean that everyone on the left wants to molest kids. Most still personally find the idea abhorrent,

Most leftists watch the following video and think its cute, when in reality they don't notice that the boy is trapped in a bathroom cornered between the bathtub and sink with 2 strange gay men who are filming him, and when the boy tries to get away you can see the one on the right moves to block him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz7_J2D3uw4 There was an infection control nurse who had nothing better to do than go around looking for "mentors" for "at risk youth" that really wanted to put a kid on my lap. I thought just saying I can't mentor because I am gay would get me out of it, boy was that a mistake. She didn't give up until after she said she could get me a queer kid, I told her that might work because so few gays get the message that they don't have to be victims, and that my cousin teaches the Eddie The Eagle NRA Gun Classes for Kids. She ran away so fast I couldn't say "small minded bigot".

One of the worst child abuse stories I saw posted on Gay Patriot was a gay couple that adopted multiple boys, who realized they could get away with things after CHORF social workers defended pictures they took of the kids in the bathroom that found their way onto social media as natural. Just like with Michael Jackson people are willing to sacrifice their kids on the alter of PC.

Anonymous Anonymous Something November 11, 2015 9:52 PM  

Regarding Robin Hobb, I love her world-building, but don't really like her writing that much. The payoffs of each of the trilogies were very impressive, but probably ultimately not worth the effort it took me to get there. I don't have much hope for the new one either, even though I did my fannish duty and read the thing all the way through. (At least it's easier to maintain focus with an audiobook.)

Interestingly, given the actual post topic, her world always reminded me a little of Lovecraft's, but without the fear--it's still a place of ancient weirdness and powers much greater than man, they're just not inherently terrifying or mind-destroying or whatever.

I have ambitions to someday set "Six Wisemen came to Jhaampe-town" to music...

Blogger automatthew November 11, 2015 10:10 PM  

Regarding Robin Hobb, I love her world-building, but don't really like her writing that much. The payoffs of each of the trilogies were very impressive, but probably ultimately not worth the effort it took me to get there. I don't have much hope for the new one either, even though I did my fannish duty and read the thing all the way through

Hobb does take effort to follow through on. For those who only like to read books that will be worth multiple re-readings, this may be too much effort.

The first book of the latest trilogy was stronger than I expected, but the second was extremely disappointing. The actual plot content could have taken place in a novella.

Blogger Floyd Looney November 12, 2015 12:34 AM  

I'm sure the poor things feel bad accepting an award for their crap while holding the bust of a real writer.

Blogger dfordoom November 12, 2015 1:59 AM  

@automatthew
The author previously wrote as Megan Lindholm, and I can recommend almost all of those books without qualification.

I thought Wizard of the Pigeons was particularly good.

Anonymous Bz November 15, 2015 6:53 PM  

Probably too late to be seen, but added for historical purposes. But then I saw this via Castalia, so who knows? Anyway, Jeff Vandermeer starts gnawing away like the SJW termite that he is.

"... I know that personally it is frustrating to find readers making a connection between my work and Lovecraft’s when he not only wasn’t an influence, but was a writer who bored me silly when I first encountered him. (When I first won a World Fantasy Award, I didn’t know it was a bust of Lovecraft; I thought it was just a depiction of an ugly ghost.)

This feeling has intensified with Weird Tales having gone from a modern expression of “the weird” under this site’s co-founder Ann VanderMeer…to something that is clearly more conservative. The saddest part of this latter aspect is that Weird Tales often championed unclassifiable strange material; in other words, back in the day the cosmic horror of Lovecraft was something new. (Although let’s also not gloss over the truth: a certain percentage of what they published ranged from competent to mediocre in terms of the execution, and one reason some Weird Tales writers aren’t better known now is that their work was steeped in non-progressive attitudes toward race and other cultures.)"

http://weirdfictionreview.com/2012/09/moving-past-lovecraft/

Et cetera.

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