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Tuesday, November 10, 2015

The devolution of the SJW

John C. Wright explains the three stages of devolution into SJW:
The SJWs are not bad people. Not at first. Even Lucifer was not totally wretched and evil at first.

That is the important thing to remember.

They are good people with a bad theory who are addicted, like a cocaine addict, to the rush of ego-gratification that comes from self-righteousness.

The Morlocks once were human, once dwelt on the surface, under the sun, and once ate wholesome meats, and did not feast on human flesh. It takes several steps pf evolution to go from being a good man to being a subhuman troglodyte cannibal. Not all have taken all the steps

It is a three stage trap into which they fall, and at each stage, for the best of reasons.

The first stage is an appeal to their sense of fairplay not to make a decision until all the facts are in, not to condemn the wicked until they are proved wicked, and to question everything, to question authority.

But this first stage trap closes when their sense of fairplay comes to the conclusion that no authority, not the authority of morality, not the authority of reason, not the authority of logic, can sit in judgment on any matter. They become so open minded that their brains fall out. They cease to reason in the name of fairplay.

Call this the Appeal to Equality. If all men are equal, no man’s opinion is better than any others’, and so there is no such thing as a right man and the wrong man, a right answer and a wrong answer, a civilized culture or barbaric one. The Appeal to Equality says that to think one answer correct and the other wrong, one behavior a vice and another a virtue, is a hasty judgment, even bigotry.

Reasoning becomes a hate crime.

Once they cease to reason, that is, cease to look at facts for answers, they are thrown back on their emotions and nothing else for a standard of judgment by which to organized their lives, and to build their model of the universe.

At this point, have lost the civilized gift of reason, they are barbarians.
As I said in SJWAL, it was not my purpose to explain the existence of SJWs or attempt to understand them in any way, but merely to describe and anticipate their actions. John Wright has proceeded with the obvious next steps in the process, which is to understand how this intellectual descent of Man takes place, and as always, his perspective is both informative and entertaining.

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Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 12:13 PM  

" . . .intellectual descent of Man . . ."

Yes. It's what the Bible calls depraved mind.

Blogger Josh November 10, 2015 12:16 PM  

I wonder if the mess at Missouri is a tipping point

Blogger dc.sunsets November 10, 2015 12:20 PM  

SJW's simply revel in the exercise of power over others and are devotees to the magical belief that reality can be altered by the recitation of incantations (via the legislative process.)

Belief comes first among humans. Once someone is infected with a belief that satisfies their enjoyment in the exercise of power, there is really no limit to their willingness to exercise that power and no limit to their fervor in defending the foundation on which it rests.

Every demon on Earth has a nifty Narrative to explain his or her place in the Right, just ask any murderer, rapist, etc. The "victim" had it coming.

Blogger Dexter November 10, 2015 12:23 PM  

Note that "stage one" is the "moderate" (cuckservative) stage.

We must have open borders because fairplay.

We must not oppose "equality" for women and gays and minorities because fairplay.

We must not oppose "freedom of religion" for the religions that hate us and want to destroy us because fairplay.

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 12:26 PM  

Interesting fun fact:

IIRC, the word used for depraved is the Greek pathos (cf. Romans 1). Pathos is one of the three concepts addressed in The Rhetoric and Poetics of Aristotle (Logos, Ethos, and Pathos).

Logos = Dialectic

Pathos = Rhetoric (as commonly coined by Vox. I understand rhetoric as defined and taught by Aristotle to incorporate all three concepts).

Ethos = character.

So the SJW mind is governed by pathos (rhetoric) and only pathos, which is why responding with logos (dialectic) will inevitably fail, especially with ones whose minds are given over to pathos, or as the Bible calls it, a depraved mind.

Conclusion: G-d hates SJWs. (cf. Romans 1)

(Caveat: I am at work, and do not have access to my Thayers Greek Lexicon, so hopefully I am remembering correctly. Still doesn't change the fact that G-d hates SJWs, however. The Bible says so).

Anonymous TBA November 10, 2015 12:27 PM  

I think many people who gang up on others to destroy their careers are in fact bad people right from the start. The social justice cause is an excuse.

Blogger Jourdan November 10, 2015 12:28 PM  

It's funny how once you notice this, the problem pops up everywhere. Even where you'd least expect it. I watched a bit of the induction ceremony to the Hockey Hall of Fame, happy to see such greats and Lidstrom, Federov and Proger getting the nod and then noticing this young woman standing next to them, entering the same hall of fame. Because being a famous woman's hockey player is totally the same as dominating the NHL for season after season. How she could stand there and hold her head up was beyond me. But, hey, equality.

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 12:28 PM  

I think I'm good:

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 3806 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
pavqoß from the alternate of (3958)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Pathos 5:926,798
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
path'-os Noun Neuter
Definition

whatever befalls one, whether it be sad or joyous
spec. a calamity, mishap, evil, affliction
a feeling which the mind suffers
an affliction of the mind, emotion, passion
passionate deed
used by the Greeks in either a good or bad sense
in the NT in a bad sense, depraved passion, vile passions

Blogger gavi schuster November 10, 2015 12:29 PM  

I'm sorry, but I disagree withthe above post. I believe that there are basically two type sof SJW's. Type one is just an evil person. They want to cause maximum unhappinessa nd sufferring. The only reason they don't beome career criminals is because they are ocwards. They afraid of getting hut, so find positions in academia and the media, where they can cause harm without fear of anything happening to themselves.The fact that SJW's support poeple who do all they things that they claim are so bad, IMHO, supprts my theory. Why do SJW"s thnk so highly of Moslems when Moslems treat women so badly. Why do they love the Clintons so much when Bill is a serial rapist and harrasser, and Hillary is his enabler? The second type of SJW is a person who just refuses to grow up. These people encounter type 1 SJW's in places like college campuses and hear them say things tha resonate wiht children. Like, "You are a perrenial victim if you are female or Black. You cannot assuem any respnsibilty for your failures or your lives. It's all the White Man's fault.

Blogger Jourdan November 10, 2015 12:29 PM  

@Josh - It's not. There was much worse genuflecting to blacks back in the late 1960's and through the 70's. You're just seeing the pendulum swinging back in that direction and are too young to remember just how much white america debased itself before the Black Power crowd. Hell, for a few months, it was okay for them to kill for political reasons, especially in or around Oakland.

Blogger Krul November 10, 2015 12:31 PM  

I think Mr Wright is being too charitable here, e.g. "It is a three stage trap into which they fall, and at each stage, for the best of reasons." This is perhaps true of the less significant majority of those we would call SJWs, but not of the originators and leaders of Social Justice movements.

I think the best explanation for this latter type is given by Ayn Rand in her essay "The Age of Envy". In it, she describes a class of people she calls "haters of the good for being the good", or just "haters". These people are not motivated by the best of reasons, but by the absolute worst.

Basically, according to Rand, the process begins with "the child who lies too often and gets away with it", and ends with an adult who "is torn by two contradictory desires which he dares not identify: the retarded child's desire to be led, protected, told what to do - and the manipulator's desire to seek reassurance by reasserting his power of command over others."

Further

"…To preserve his illusion of superiority becomes his overriding obsession. Superiority – in what? He does not know. He does not function conceptually. He judges people, events and actions “instinctively,” i.e., not by what they are, but by what they make him feel. Putting something over on people makes him feel superior – he has long since forgotten (and has never fully known” why.

He has developed a special kind of “instinct” for appraising people: he can “smell” the presence of weakness in people, of pretentiousness, uncertainty, self-doubt and fear – particularly fear (not fear of him, but of their common enemy: reality). Such people make him feel like “a big shot,” and his act is successful among them. But when he meets the better type of man, he goes to pieces: what he feels is terror. It is by means of his own terror that he recognizes authentic self-confidence.

At this final stage, moved by nothing but his feelings, the hater cannot tell what makes him act, he is aware only of the hatred and of an overwhelming compulsion to destroy… his hatred is aimless and wholly nonvenal, all he knows is that he must destroy – destroy the bright, the sparkling, the smiling, the clean, destroy ‘the light bulb look’ on a child’s face-… "

Anonymous FriarBob November 10, 2015 12:37 PM  

Not quite, Rabbi B. Quoting from memory so I may be off by a few words or so... "Behold, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that he turn from his way and live." And "The Lord is not slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness, but is long-suffering towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance and live."

Their acts are evil. But Christ died for their sins as much as yours and mine. It's just a matter of who is willing to change, to stop doing evil and start doing right... or not.

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 12:40 PM  

@12 FriarBob

The L-rd is in his holy temple;
the L-rd is on his heavenly throne.
He observes everyone on earth;
his eyes examine them.

The L-rd examines the righteous,
but the wicked, those who love violence,
he hates with a passion.

On the wicked he will rain
fiery coals and burning sulfur;
a scorching wind will be their lot.

- Psalm 11

He may not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, but this does not mean they are not hated by Him as long as they remain so.

The SJW is wicked.
G-d hates the wicked with a passion.
G-d hates the SJW.

Blogger Salt November 10, 2015 12:45 PM  

I believe that there are basically two type sof SJW's. Type one is just an evil person. ... The second type of SJW is a person who just refuses to grow up.

The time is here, now, and any distinction is irrelevant. They are the enemy, and in the immortal words of the Vile Faceless Minions -

We don't care.

Blogger Lovekraft November 10, 2015 12:47 PM  

in my experience in the workplace, I believe that if there is even the slightest power a co-worker has to falsely accuse another, it will be used. Used not by those who have better things to do than stir up sh!t, but by the cowardly. Part of the blame rests on corporate cowardness but they reflect societal conditions, which as we are now seeing, is centered around social justice.

Conclusion: prevent entryism, and if a firm is already infested, work hard to amend, if not throw out, any diversity/PC dogma.

Blogger Markku November 10, 2015 12:51 PM  

Rabbi, I think you are a little bit off in the association. When New Testament translations refer to "depraved mind", it's usually Rom 1:28. KJV says "reprobate", NASB says "depraved", ESV says "debased".

The original word is adokimos and the meanings are:



not standing the test, not approved

properly used of metals and coins

that which does not prove itself such as it ought

unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate

Blogger Dystopic November 10, 2015 12:55 PM  

If I may add to this, Gammas are particularly vulnerable to this trap. Gammas don't get satisfaction from achievement, or increasing their rank in the hierarchy. They get it from a sort of narcissistic supply, acknowledgement of their secret king status or whatever.

Since judging them would almost always result in them being found wanting, a belief system which denies the utility of judgement and labels it "bigotry" naturally appeals to them. Now, instead of being at the bottom of the hierarchy, they can at last become kings, labeling their opponents as judgmental bigots. Reason sees them at the bottom of the dogpile. Feelings see them at the top.

In simple terms, the guy who is worthless and has done nothing good, gains if absolute equality is imposed by force. Gammas are usually worthless and do nothing good.

Not all SJWs are Gammas, and not all Gammas are SJWs, but there is nonetheless a strong correlation.

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 12:57 PM  

@16 MArkku

I am thinking Romans 1:26.

For this reason G-d gave them up to dishonorable passions. (which continues into v. 28, the depraved mind. I conflated a couple verses. The memory not what it used to be.

I think my point stands regardless, however. The SJW is ruled by his pathos.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 10, 2015 12:58 PM  

@15 Lovekraft:

We're not throwing out diversity, we're encouraging solidarity. :-)

Seriously, spin is everything...and I think part of the rhetorical spin we need to use is that our opponents are encouraging a war of All Against All. We, on the other hand, are encouraging people to see the bonds between us, not our differences. The SJWs spread hate disguised as "diversity", the Forces of Civilization spread love.

The moral side of this fight should not be neglected.

Blogger White Devil November 10, 2015 1:02 PM  

Jourdan
How she could stand there and hold her head up was beyond me.
I don't find it odd. The winners and losers of an honorable contest are on the same ground. Problem solvers and artists who work in their backyards have some small peership with NASA or Hollywood. She might not be able to compete, but she's able to play the game honestly.
But as soon as her sex becomes more important than her sport, she is robbed of peership. Progress once meant all people could be athletes, artists or engineers. Now it means all athletes, artists and engineers must be Black, Gay, Women and so on.
Loyalty to a discipline means disloyalty to political ideology. It's why SJW's are suspicious of competence.

Blogger Res Ipsa November 10, 2015 1:06 PM  

John Wright is insightful as well as effective at elucidating. I'll have to check out his work.

Blogger Gaiseric November 10, 2015 1:06 PM  

@10: True; the Mizzou thing, while embarrassing to all involved, is nothing compared to the Black Panther takeover of Cornell University in 1969.

Blogger hosswire November 10, 2015 1:07 PM  

As much as I respect JCW, I don't agree with calling the SJWs "Morlocks". As I recall, the Morlocks were loathesome, but at least useful & productive. They ran the machinery that kept the naive and indolent Eloi alive. Today's SJWs combine the loathsomeness of the Morlocks with the uselessness of the Eloi.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 10, 2015 1:18 PM  

Yesterday morning I cracked open a bible and saw this verse, and it just screamed SJW to me:

Matthew 24:10
“And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.”

Blogger Markku November 10, 2015 1:18 PM  

Here's the passage from RSV
Rom 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.

My paraphrase:

They didn't want to see the creation in relation to the Creator, but as of supreme value in itself (e.g. humanism), so God allowed this to come to its natural conclusion.

Blogger Tim_W_Burke November 10, 2015 1:26 PM  

@7
Apparently she's four-time Olympian Angela Ruggiero. Is there a womens' wing of the HoF?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 10, 2015 1:26 PM  

Hosswire - Yes.

On the one hand, they look like Morlocks.

On the other hand, the Morlocks had jobs. Which is more than you can say for Phil "English PhD" Sandifer.

It's an ethical pickle.

Anonymous Nxx November 10, 2015 1:33 PM  

They are good people with a bad theory who are addicted, like a cocaine addict, to the rush of ego-gratification that comes from self-righteousness.

I stand amazed. A comprehensive in depth description of SJW psychology in one sentence. Their weak point is now exposed.

If you added the sentence, "people who obsessively self-stroke their egos are mental masturbators" or similar to tie SJW down with the mental masturbator label, you'd have a multi megaton thermo-rhetorical nuke on your hands.

SJW are mental masturbators because they feel compelled to obsessively self-stroke their egos. They do this by constantly signalling their supposed moral superiority to everyone.

SJW view identity politics as an opportunity to set up an imaginary knight vs dragon scenario with themselves the heroic knights defending the blushing virgin. They approach politics in order to feel good about themselves, to mentally masturbate and to pursue psychological satisfaction, not to solve problems.

Note that self generated heroic narrative is synthetic achievement and the obsessive stroking of one's ego with it will worm it into the ID, possibly making it, the imaginary heroic narrative, the sole source of one's self esteem. Synthetic self esteem is very fragile and requires massive and continuous reinforcement to maintain.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 10, 2015 1:34 PM  

Looks like a cult so how were cults handled back in the day. I would say inquiry and prosecution on some level

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 1:38 PM  

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Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery November 10, 2015 1:38 PM  

Nxx - SJW are mental masturbators

Not just mental.

Blogger jay c November 10, 2015 1:39 PM  

SJWs are both Morlock and Eloi a la Jekyll and Hyde. Lazy, vapid, and helpless most of the time, but capable of turning violently and cunningly cannibal as the feelz and the herd warrant.

Blogger Carl Philipp November 10, 2015 1:40 PM  

@9 gavi schuster

Your "disagreement" is not in conflict. Mr Wright is describing the process by which people come to accept evil, or to justify not growing up to themselves. It is not so simple as a snap decision to hurt people, or to remain childish.

Anonymous bw November 10, 2015 1:44 PM  

Not at first

And then they (we) begin to make TheExcuse and Identify egotistically with the "error" and TheLie, becoming as gods ourselves and certain we understand the knowledge of good and evil.
Game, Set, Match.
Except, maybe...there's a way back....

... and any distinction is irrelevant (at this point) Salt

Absolutely, considering the destruction and deconstruction that's already taken place over the last Century and what appears inevitable (at this point) for the children's future.
Consciously and Knowingly vs Unconsciously and Ignorantly? No f*cking matter. One either comes to love Truth and Reality and Nature or kicks against it. They were shocked and traumatized into it, they will have to be violated once again (by the good) to see the Light.

Anonymous bw November 10, 2015 1:46 PM  

Jekyll and Hyde

Or Jekyll and Island

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 1:47 PM  

@25 Markku

They didn't want to see the creation in relation to the Creator, but as of supreme value in itself (e.g. humanism), so God allowed this to come to its natural conclusion.

That's a fair summation. The emphasis is on the mind, which is what the OP stirred in my memory banks. Vox mentioned a while back that the SJW and their ilk are not capable of reasoning their way out of positions that they have not reasoned themselves into.

Which is why I think there is no hope for the SJW (or anyone else who has been given over to a depraved mind and vile passions), except nothing short of a renewal of the mind as addressed later in the same letter, a transformation that is ultimately nothing less than miraculous and Divine in origin:

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of G-d, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to G-d, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of G-d, what is good and acceptable and perfect. (cf. Romans 12)

Until their is a spiritual transformation concomitant with a renewal of the mind, our worship of G-d will be anything but a reasonable act of service. It will only be whatever each individual sees fit in his own eyes where man is the measure of all things i.e. humanism, as you rightly observed.

Though VD has been exposing the observable behavior of SJWs and John Wright has elucidated the same above, there are reasons for what we are observing, reasons which are confirmed in the text of the Scriptures, the standard by which all truths are tested and measured.

Blogger Maple Curtain November 10, 2015 1:47 PM  

@11: having experienced (and still living) the nightmare of a lost job and destroyed career due to SJW hatred, I find those passages you quote to be compelling.

What I do know about the powerful people who took away my livelihood and my profession is that they are frauds, poseurs, who are afraid of the intelligent, the competent, and the principled.

When abusing subordinates who refuse to be intimidated, they always project, by accusing the subordinate of trying to "intimidate" them, of being "aggressive" or "threatening."

All of these claims arise from their terror at not being able to bully the realist into acknowledging their supposed superiority.

However, legislated codes of conduct have been legislated precisely to enable such people to destroy lives - that is the purpose of the codes and the aim of those enacting them.

The existence of those codes is a major sign of a decadent society in its death throes.

A decadent society has excess resources and has had that abundance for a few generations.

As a consequence, its leaders act as though prosperity and security fall from the sky (i.e. are natural) and they believe that there is no need for real competence, or real achievement.

Over time, the poseurs infest and build an ever-burgeoning non-productive bureaucracy in both the public and private sectors.

Why do so many of us believe that we were born into the wrong time/century/age? Why does the media carry news of middle-age white men killing themselves with alarming frequency?

"Who cares?" answers the SJW, "I'm important. I'm a big shot."

Etc. Etc.

Blogger Karl November 10, 2015 1:51 PM  

An addition to the file of people conflating tactics with ends, liberal edition.

The Danger of Revenge Fantasies
https://itineranturbanist.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/the-danger-of-revenge-fantasies/

As some readers know, my undergraduate education wasn’t actually in anything related to urbanism or planning; I have a B.A. in Hebrew Bible and another in archaeology, and it’s fun to retreat to my previous intellectual endeavors sometimes. In this case, though I hardly think tussles over housing in the Bay Area rise to the level of (failed) genocide, I actually think that the book of Esther illustrates well the dangerous temptations facing progressive activists in contemporary urban America.

......

Needless to say, I don’t think this is progressive, and I don’t think it’s any way forward. I’ve devoted significant time recently to critiquing my fellow travelers on the political Left, and I still think we share more than we don’t–a vision that sees the world through the lens of structural social forces, a determination to bring down inequality, a commitment to social justice. But I think significant elements of the Left have lost their way on urban issues, and it threatens the viability of the progressive political project. Progressivism is about keeping alive the dream of altruistic policymaking, about tearing down barriers rather than using them for revenge. That many so-called progressives don’t act that way in real life perhaps speaks to the extent to which the movement has been infiltrated (corrupted?) by hardcore, dead-ender Marxist, anti-capitalist hardliners who really do envision a class revolution in which oppressed groups will rise and return the moral sin of their oppressors on their heads.

Blogger Dexter November 10, 2015 1:52 PM  

As I recall, the Morlocks were loathesome, but at least useful & productive.
...
On the other hand, the Morlocks had jobs.


Having jobs and being productive is so 1930s-era Old Left. Get with the program -- "progress" is no longer about the workers or steel production any more, so who cares if they have jobs and are productive?

Even talking about jobs and hard work is a dog whistle used to signal to the racists!

Blogger Maple Curtain November 10, 2015 1:52 PM  

@11: to be precise, they hate the good for being the good (good people, good acts, good things).

In a society that is striving to be godly, to build itself up, those people are subordinated and shunned; in a decadent society, those people are ascendant and triumphant.

What they are is rank evil.

Blogger zach.rose November 10, 2015 1:56 PM  

I find Wright's analysis to be only half correct.

"...addicted, like a cocaine addict, to the rush of ego-gratification that comes from self-righteousness."

Yes.

Making decisions... conclusions... reasoning... judgments.

No.

Put it like this:

It is not that SJWs do not discriminate; it is that they cannot discriminate.

The savory irony here is that SJWs read that sentence and jump up and down screaming "Yes! That's exactly correct! I am so moral that I am not even capable of discrimination!"

The joke trapdoor closes when we realize (emphasis on "we") that discrimination is a necessary component in the ability to undertake critical thinking. Discrimination is the ability to look at two distinct objects that appear at least superficially to be the same and decide that they are actually not because of some important characteristic. Discrimination uses the sub-skill of reduction to strip away the superficiality and then uses objective confidence to make a determination. Discrimination is complemented by other critical thinking skills like abstraction, synthesis, and others that skills that are more niche. (Abstraction is the opposite of discrimination- it decides if two objects that look different should be treated identically. Synthesis merges two independently verified truths from different perspectives into a single integrated paradigm. Etc.)

Blame the schools. In social sciences and humanities, kids are taught what to think rather than how. In STEM, they are taught to memorize algorithms and basic patterns but not what to do with them (e.g., even at semi-advanced levels, power rule in calculus and Boyle's law in chemistry... are memorized rather than being internalized as building blocks). The final escape hatch closes when this school system is implemented for three straight generations- there is small chance to learn independent thinking at home from parents equally incapable.


So imagine graduating from high school floating in your world of cognitively dissonant thoughts and popularity-driven emotions. Not only are you not capable of advanced thought patterns, you don't even know what you are missing. One of the things you lost along the way is any real empathy (it requires accurate reduction of another's circumstances and then simulation to experience their perspective) so you are further mired in solipsism. From this lowly vantage point, you feel that at best, everyone else who pretends to "know" what to think independently based on their own deductions should be dismissed as a not-smarter-than-you @hole. Still, other people seem to have real convictions and this deeply bothers you. Though you never identify it as the true source (it takes a level self-reflection of which you are incapable), you live in a semi-permanent world of insecurity, fear, and self-doubt.

However you are still (physiologically) a human being so you secretly believe that you are personally better than everyone else in the world, regardless of quality or quantity of objective evidence. It is simple for this to be true: find a new dimension on which you are clearly better than these other people who- if you are at all objective for a single instant with amnesia to follow in the next- Pareto dominate you on the standard measurements. Then declare that this new dimension is the only one that matters, period.

And so out of the fog of your limited understanding, you desperately grasp onto a single concept: fairness. Everyone is equal (except for the people who reject your self-serving metric, so some people are less equal). This further plays out in two basic ways: equality of interactions and equality of outcomes.

(continued next post....)

Blogger zach.rose November 10, 2015 1:57 PM  

(... continued from previous post)

For the first, though not in these terms, you are vaguely certain that it seems impossible for self-interested agents to reject interactions with other parties based solely on [insert physical characteristic]. And for one instant, it is tempting to agree. Except that we live in a world where physical characteristics can and should be used for Bayesian updating (strangely, you understand this only when it comes to something like charging men more for car insurance). So now a single well-intentioned idea gets totally sidetracked by your inability to follow through any thought process. You seek out opportunities to enforce fairness in the only ways that SJWs know how- superficially. You don't really understand or care about Justice so you sacrifice it to your goddess Fairness through institutions like affirmative action. Notice that affirmative action is only fair in the sense that it eliminates the potential for pure bigotry from decision making processes (by requiring predefined quotas)... but then all this does is enforce decision making by the superficiality! Next here is the skill of discrimination in action: in your mental world of hopelessly indefinite shape, artificial fairness is required because it is not possible to discriminate between agents' rejections for (some other) cause and rejections for bigotry. So you can't make determinations; plus in your solipsism you assume that others equally can't know what they say; plus you can't objectively judge what other people say; equals your insistence on relativism. And finally, consistency of thought being a component of critical thinking, of course it doesn't bother you to champion the literal opposite of your axiom.

For the second, among the many advanced subjects you have not studied is economics, so you don't have to worry that maybe unequal outcomes are necessary for good systems of incentives. You know, you can just get by with the operating assumption that people are greedy (at least all the people who are not you or like you are greedy) and need to be subverted by force. Oh, and no one is better than you. Can't forget that. Your unacknowledged envy is irrefutable proof of others' luck and and a situation begging to be equalized.

This is the making of an SJW. There is no slippery slope. It is the result of one social survival instinct (must find a way to be better than other people) plus one human instinct (non-probability-based bigotry is wrong) plus the failure to ever learn and practice strategies for critical thinking in the first place. "Once they cease to reason" is N/A.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 10, 2015 2:01 PM  

@28 Nxx
Note that self generated heroic narrative is synthetic achievement and the obsessive stroking of one's ego with it will worm it into the ID, possibly making it, the imaginary heroic narrative, the sole source of one's self esteem. Synthetic self esteem is very fragile and requires massive and continuous reinforcement to maintain.
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And that is where the continuous bubble maintenance comes into the picture.

Blogger gavi schuster November 10, 2015 2:02 PM  




@33 Carl Phillip:

I don't know. The OP seesm to describe people who are confused or ambiguous about morality, ethics, ect. Type 1 SJW's know exactly what they are doing and why.

Anonymous Alrenous November 10, 2015 2:12 PM  

Good people would notice their theory is in error. Especially as the error is frequently egregious. SJWs come from a stock of broken, diseased people. Born sycophants, psychopathic manipulators, obsessives, the terminally selfish, stuff like that. The high rate of SJW depression is not a coincidence; they are co-morbid. It's impossible to tell if SocJus is a symptom of their insanity or the other way around. It's like trying to rank your heart or your liver as more vital; you die without either, it doesn't matter.

Got the Morlock metaphor wrong. While SJWs are indeed ugly like Morlocks, they are incompetent like Eloi.
'Cannibal' doesn't mean 'eats humanoids,' it means 'eats your own species.' Morlocks aren't cannibals. Admittedly there should probably be a better word for sapiovore.

"Fairplay" isn't a word, much as neither 'alot' nor 'aswell' are words.

SJWs don't believe in equality of opinion. They're quite sure your opinion is wrong, and say so. I suppose this confusion comes from their reluctance to openly state their own opinion, which is 'we get ours,' hence the obsession with displays of obsequity. They have to come up with elaborate rationalizations for 'we get ours,' of course. Inherently mendacious.

Anonymous BGS November 10, 2015 2:20 PM  

. If all men are equal, no man’s opinion is better than any others’, and so there is no such thing as a right man and the wrong man

Complaining about all of the size queens is how gays fell into the equality lie.

Ayn Rand in her essay "The Age of Envy". In it, she describes a class of people she calls "haters of the good for being the good", or just "haters

I have meet more than my fair share of them.

Anonymous WillBest November 10, 2015 2:26 PM  

That was a depressing read.

I find what is going on in college campuses highly troubling. The seeds of that were set decades ago, these kids were destroyed in elementary school, in PBS programming, by their progressive parents, etc. And the Yale thing is somewhat shocking quite frankly. The elite had ordinarily been very good about destroying their competitors with progressive dogma while maintaining the caste system with respects to their offspring's relations. Either they have abandoned universities altogether (which seems unlikely) or they have lost control of it.

Blogger Artisanal Toad November 10, 2015 2:30 PM  

The passage of Romans 1:18-32 is a prophesy. IMO it started with the rejection of absolute morality for situational ethics. This particular form of the wrath of God is a withdrawing of His Spirit which restrains, allowing people to pass unchecked into evil. First He gave them over to impurity and we see in the 1960's an explosion of adultery and divorce with the resultant degradation of the damaged offspring. Following that He gave them over to depraved passions and following that He gave them over to depraved minds.

They've literally lost their minds and the fruits of such a condition are made clear in verses 29-32.

@Rabbi B: What if the depraved passion were not confined to sexual proclivities but rather encompassed a much larger sphere such as feminism, political correctness and the SJW mindset?

Blogger Alexamenos November 10, 2015 2:44 PM  

" If all men are equal, no man’s opinion is better than any others’, and so there is no such thing as a right man and the wrong man, a right answer and a wrong answer, a civilized culture or barbaric one. "

I still remember the first time I squarely encountered the "all opinions are absolutely equal" opinion. I was naively astounded that anyone could honestly believe such a thing.

Anyway, if all opinions are equal, then the opinion that all opinions are not equal must equal the opinion that all opinions are equal, or more concisely...

x = not-x

There should be a law against such nonsense.

Blogger Jourdan November 10, 2015 2:53 PM  

@20 & 26 - I hear you guys, and I understand that is the HOCKEY hall of fame and not the NHL hall, and I sure respect what this woman has done in her sport. Still, the idea that she is worthy of the same exact honor as Lidstrom is ridiculous. He would completely annihilate her in any contest, to the point where they aren't playing the same sport. If I were her, I would be embarrassed to be held up with those players as worthy of the same honor. Her at her peak is not even equal to boy's hockey.

Blogger Shebooganbits November 10, 2015 3:09 PM  

Can't disagree with this analysis, but why oh why are the emotions of yer common or garden sjw (NO CAPS) so damned evil and nasty.

Blogger Dexter November 10, 2015 3:12 PM  

I still remember the first time I squarely encountered the "all opinions are absolutely equal" opinion.

And the same people who think this also think that some opinions are wrong and evil and should be banned as hate speech...

Blogger Fatherless November 10, 2015 3:16 PM  

Which way?

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 3:28 PM  

I hope you noticed that my analysis attempts to answer why the Vox Three Rules of SJWs come into the fore:
They always lie because the core of their philosophy is to put emotion over truth.

SJWs always project because, being addicted to untruth, they lose touch with reality, and hence lose touch with other people. They literally cannot imagine what honest men think like, what motivates us.

SJWs always double down because, having long ago sailed out of sight of the last peninsula of reality into the trackless oceans of make believe, the option of turning the ship around, and admitting wrong, and confessing, repenting, and being saved would be the same as death to them. They would have to give up on their addiction, the thing they call self esteem, which we call being perfect asses.

I should also emphasize my hypothesis is just a hypothesis. It is meant to explain the facts, but it is far from being confirmed.

The field of subanthropopsychology, the study of subhuman thinking, is still a new frontier.

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 3:33 PM  

"I'm sorry, but I disagree withthe above post. I believe that there are basically two type sof SJW's. Type one is just an evil person."

Well, in all fairness, I think you are right. Some of these Morlocks were Morlocks from the getgo. The line of descent I outline is the map of the intellectual steps down which the soul falls as it flees the light: but I do not meant to imply everyone starts at the top and falls in a smooth line to the bottom. Some fall and go back up; some circle around; and start at the bottom and stay there.

Blogger Rabbi B November 10, 2015 3:45 PM  

@48 Artisanal Toad

What if the depraved passion were not confined to sexual proclivities but rather encompassed a much larger sphere such as feminism, political correctness and the SJW mindset?

I don't think it is confined to sexual proclivities, but is one of various and sundry symptoms. The entire mindset, manifested in infinite ways, flows from a core axiom stated at the beginning of the section:

For the wrath of G-d is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. (cf. Romans 1:18 ff.)

The text doesn't necessarily explain the "how" only the "what." Their minds suppress the truth, which augments JCW's point nicely:

They always lie because the core of their philosophy is to put emotion over truth. SJWs always project because, being addicted to untruth, they lose touch with reality, and hence lose touch with other people. They literally cannot imagine what honest men think like, what motivates us.

Then there is the 'being given over to the depraved mind,'

SJWs always double down because, having long ago sailed out of sight of the last peninsula of reality into the trackless oceans of make believe, the option of turning the ship around, and admitting wrong, and confessing, repenting, and being saved would be the same as death to them.

@54 John C. Wright

I should also emphasize my hypothesis is just a hypothesis. It is meant to explain the facts, but it is far from being confirmed.

On the contrary, I think your hypothesis is sound and finds ample support and confirmation from a Biblical point of view as well.



Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 3:52 PM  

"As much as I respect JCW, I don't agree with calling the SJWs "Morlocks"..... Today's SJWs combine the loathsomeness of the Morlocks with the uselessness of the Eloi."

Ah, the fault is mine.

When I coined this term, I did so explicitly saying just that: http://www.scifiwright.com/2014/04/a-marvel-from-a-d-801702/

Allow me to quote myself:

"It is discovered that H.G. Wells was wrong in his prediction. We need not wait until AD 802701 to see the English devolve into the troglodyte cannibal Morlock and the effete, pampered frail and helpless Eloi too foolish to realize that they are food animals.

No, the subhumans in England this day in 2014 combine both the anthropophagic viciousness of the Morlocks and the dainty weakness of the Eloi at one and the same time!"

So the original joke was this : the writer Daimian Walter of the Guardian is a nonentity taking the Queen's coin to write a science fiction book he never finished, nonetheless dares to hold forth on how Larry Correia should conduct his writing career (a legless man teaching running!).

I thought this was so outrageous, that it was the morality of the Morlocks combined with the efficiency, strength, and bravery of an Eloi.

The joke was too long and awkward to keep repeating in its fullness. As an insult term, I cannot keep saying 'Kind and a Morlock and Smart as an Eloi' over and over again.

Since their souls is what heaven will judge them on, not their strength, calling them Morlocks is good enough.

And I am specifically speaking of Mr Walters and people like him. SJW is a political pose, membership in a destructive cult: whereas Morlockery is a moral stance based on consuming human souls and glorifying perversion, pain, sin and sorrow.

Remember, while Vox Day and I are both members of the Evil Legion of Evil, he and I have different roles, and so we use a different terminology.

Vox Day is a Dark Lord, and concerned with the practical political matters the Master of the Dark Tower must be concerned with. I am the Grand Inquisitor and the Grandmaster of the Ancient and Honorable Order of the Seekers of Truth and Penance, and my concern is more abstract and moralistic.

I want them to burn in purgatory; he just wants to burn them. See the difference?

Anonymous Geoff November 10, 2015 3:52 PM  

Jourdan @7

I thought the same thing while watching the HHOF induction ceremony. At least the woman, Angela Ruggiero, gave the best speech. When Fedorov spoke, I almost fell asleep.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 November 10, 2015 3:57 PM  

They become so open minded that their brains fall out.

Best line of the post. I'm going to use this gratuitously from this point forward.

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 3:58 PM  

"I find Wright's analysis to be only half correct....It is not that SJWs do not discriminate; it is that they cannot discriminate."

Please reread what I wrote. I am speaking of why they avoid making judgments. I said the exact same thing you just said. Where do we disagree?

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 4:03 PM  

"'Cannibal' doesn't mean 'eats humanoids,' it means 'eats your own species.' Morlocks aren't cannibals."

The terms come from a science fiction novel called THE TIME MACHINE. In it, both the Morlocks and the Eloi are human beings, but carried by Darwinian evolution into degeneration, the Eloi being degenerate aristocrats, and the Morlocks being degenerate proletarians: the Marxist irony being that, in our day, the aristocrats feed metaphorically off the proles, in the far future the proles literally feed off the aristos.

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 10, 2015 4:04 PM  

@57 - Mr. Wright, I thought the only response to evil was to destroy it? Many of these Morlocks are already dead, so close to the line of evil that the hardness of their hearts is beyond 10 Mohs. You really think they can approach Purgatory when for them, there is no light to be seen?

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 4:08 PM  

""Fairplay" isn't a word"

I am a poet, muggle. The vocation of our guild and Muse-given right is to invent words.

At any other time, I could accept the correction with grace, but not when you are talking about Morlocks. That is also an invented word, created by an elder member of my guild.

And fairplay is a word in the OED, so I see your nitpicking and raise you one snoot. Maybe it is not a word among the colonies.

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 4:25 PM  

"You really think they can approach Purgatory when for them, there is no light to be seen?"

I am a Christian and indeed a Roman Catholic. I think all men are damnable and that none, until the last trump sounds, are damned.

In my atheist days I was worse than these SJWs because I was alert, energetic, logical, funny, and clever in my evil words and evil works. If I can be pulled out of the sewer of maggots and cleaned off, who cannot be?

The only difference I can see between Judas and Peter in the Gospel is that Judas gave up hope and hanged himself, and Peter ran to the tomb when he heard it was empty, and answered when the risen Christ asked if he loved him.

What was the difference between the good thief, Saint Dismas, who went that day to paradise, first man into heaven, and the bad thief, who went to hell?

Certain mystics aver that Benito Mussolini, Mr Fascism himself, the one who coined the term, repented on the scaffold during the hanging, and went to heaven.

It is not that I do not think SJWs are as disgusting as, well, Morlocks from HG Wells. They are. They are like something you find on your boot sole after wading threw a sewer that has flooded an unsanctified mass grave of plague victims where even the jackals who tore the corpses died.

I merely have a realistic appreciation of what all the other sinners who are not Morlocks are like, all the Sons of Adam. The mercy of God is astonishing, and deeper than outer space. He can love even them; He made them; they are his beloved children afflicted with something worse than a disease, worse that demon possession, worse than madness: that something is sin.

I have it, too. The difference is I have access to a decontamination process called the sacrament confession, and a cleansing fluid call the Blood of the Lamb. They are numb and drowsy and do not even realize what is wrong with them.

So, purgatory, I hope so. I wish damnation on no man, lest that curse rebound on me.

Blogger Desiderius November 10, 2015 4:30 PM  

"In my atheist days I was worse than these SJWs because I was alert, energetic, logical, funny, and clever in my evil words and evil works. If I can be pulled out of the sewer of maggots and cleaned off, who cannot be?"

The gospel of Jesus Christ, in so many words.

Blogger Gaiseric November 10, 2015 4:30 PM  

The terms come from a science fiction novel called THE TIME MACHINE. In it, both the Morlocks and the Eloi are human beings, but carried by Darwinian evolution into degeneration, the Eloi being degenerate aristocrats, and the Morlocks being degenerate proletarians: the Marxist irony being that, in our day, the aristocrats feed metaphorically off the proles, in the far future the proles literally feed off the aristos.

Which is interesting, because Wells himself was very sympathetic to Marxist causes and eugenics. Although, granted, the eloi are portrayed less sympathetically in the book then they have been in subsequent literary criticism and cinematic takes on the story.

Blogger Desiderius November 10, 2015 4:31 PM  

"They become so open minded that their brains fall out.

Best line of the post. I'm going to use this gratuitously from this point forward."

A mind is like a parachute, if its open all the time, its a real drag.

Anonymous Bz November 10, 2015 5:02 PM  

Wright is too kind for my tastes in assuming they start out as 'not bad people'. (Question of order: Do most of these creatures even count as baptised?)

I would say SJWs pretend to do good for evil reasons, and the fruits of their acts are thus predictably rotten.

Blogger Matamoros November 10, 2015 5:21 PM  

@66 and to eugenics.

Don't throw eugenics in with Marxism. It is definitely dysgenic, as it is a devolution of mankind in all ways.

One breeds dogs for quality, not mutthood. Mankind is also noted for breeding for intelligence, strength and courage (at least in times past).

It is also not against the laws of the Church if properly understood and implemented:

EUGENICS. The science which aims at improving the well being of the human race by studying the factors which affect bodily and mental health, with a view to the encouragement of the beneficial and the elimination of the harmful. Statistics are adduced to show that the chief obstacle is the marriage of the unfit, leading to an increase of hereditable evils such as insanity, addiction to drink, consumption, venereal disease.

The Church has nothing but praise for the aim of eugenics and has no objection to the positive method proposed as a remedy of the evil, e.g., granting diplomas to the fit, endowing them to encourage the rearing of a large family, providing healthy homes. educating public opinion; but she cannot approve of the negative methods suggested by some eugenists, * viz. *, “birth control” (q.v.), compulsory sterilization (q.v.) of degenerates. Compulsory segregation would imply a prohibition of the marriage of the unfit; this runs counter to present ecclesiastical law’ which, while not encouraging their marriage, does not forbid it; the alleged facts do not justify an interference with their right to marry. Where eugenists go astray. it is because they forget or deny that spiritual well being is of far greater importance than material, and that even a tainted existence is better than no existence at all. (A Catholic Dictionary, 1949, Macmillan & Co., NY)

Blogger Gaiseric November 10, 2015 5:57 PM  

Don't throw eugenics in with Marxism. It is definitely dysgenic, as it is a devolution of mankind in all ways.

I'm not throwing anything in with anything. Those were two themes with Wells.

But now that you mention it, eugenics was EXTREMELY popular with the Marxist Progressive era in America and elsewhere.

And I'm not Catholic. I don't care what the Catholic Dictionary says about eugenics.

Blogger Durandel Almiras November 10, 2015 5:59 PM  

@64 So, purgatory, I hope so. I wish damnation on no man, lest that curse rebound on me.

Yeah, agreed. I take back whatever condemnation I placed on them in my heart. Still, I can't shake that there is still a need to eliminate evil, even if it is with regret and sorrow for not having a different way. They still need to be burned, but one hopes they repent at death at the very least. I also think that is what is missing from the West, the acknowledgement that sometimes you have to crush those who do evil even while you pray for their conversion. Instead, many think appeasement will lead to repentance.

@69 - Thanks for that quote. I don't think a lot of Catholics are aware of that. Does the dictionary cite where that opinion of the Church exists in any formal documents?

Blogger Desiderius November 10, 2015 7:11 PM  

"eugenics was EXTREMELY popular with the Marxist Progressive era in America and elsewhere"

Still is, sub rosa, which is why abortion is their sacrament. Doesn't make them right or good.

Blogger maniacprovost November 10, 2015 7:31 PM  

I can't shake that there is still a need to eliminate evil, even if it is with regret and sorrow for not having a different way.

Aku soku zan!

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 7:33 PM  

"Still, I can't shake that there is still a need to eliminate evil, even if it is with regret and sorrow for not having a different way. "

Please, please do not misunderstand me. I said nothing about showing them any mercy or granting any quarter. Those are courtesies extended to civilized enemies or to mend a broken society when the two factions in a civil war agree to end hostilities and reknit the community.

When at war with barbarians, who seek forever to destroy the social bonds, and will take any mercy or any quarter as an excuse to tear the wounds of the fracture more terribly, they must never be negotiated with, never be spared, until they lack all power to work their evil.

This evil must be destroyed, stamped out to the last spark. The penalty for an SJW opening his damnable mouth should be the same as what fell on a homosexual atheist in Queen Victoria's day speculating the Jesus and Peter were sodomite lovers -- exile from polite society, loss of job, every loss the culture can inflict while keeping the original intent of the First Amendment in tact, that is, no federal legal punishment.

Do not confuse my belief that God can, if He sees fit, save and spare these enemies of God with my believe that heaven has given us the task of fighting them to the last man, the last bullet, and after the bullets are gone, tooth and nail. They are as pure an evil as I can imagine, and the only reason why the Jihad is more evil is that the Jihadists are brave and capable foes, whereas we are faced with flabby and sweaty Boba Fetts who are heavily medicated and partially suicidal failures in life.

Will Christ show mercy to one who does not ask it? That, you must ask someone wiser than I. I will pray He does, if only in the hope that the blessing might rebound on me, and I receive from Him a mercy I did not think to ask.

Morlocko Delenda Est. The socjus freaks must be destroyed. We are crusaders, and they are Albigensians. Their religion and mine cannot coexist. Their way of life and the way of life as a rational Ayn Rand atheist cannot coexist. Their way of life and a faithful Jew cannot coexist.

They are like the Jihad, they are in fact the internal spiritual twin of the Jihad. The Jihad must conquer all non-Muslims. The SocJus must destroy all healthy organisms and institutions of life.

So pray for them, and sharpen your swords, pray for victory. Then obliterate them as the antediluvians were obliterated by the flood of Noah.

Our children will thank us to live in a world without political correctness.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 10, 2015 9:17 PM  

@23. hosswire

As much as I respect JCW, I don't agree with calling the SJWs "Morlocks". As I recall, the Morlocks were loathesome, but at least useful & productive. They ran the machinery that kept the naive and indolent Eloi alive. Today's SJWs combine the loathsomeness of the Morlocks with the uselessness of the Eloi.

I'll have to agree. A scene in the book that impressed me- the Morlocks took the time machine down into their caves, there to polish up the brasswork, oil the gears, and make sure everything was in working order, even though they had no idea what the machine was for. It was in their nature to maintain and improve the artifacts of high civilization.

Calling an SJW a Morlock is a slur on the Morlock.

Anonymous Forrest Bishop November 10, 2015 9:33 PM  

@27. Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery

On the other hand, the Morlocks had jobs. Which is more than you can say for Phil "English PhD" Sandifer.

It's an ethical pickle.



I miss Phil.

Can't we entice him to come back? It's like trying to play soccer without a soccer ball. Midget bowling without the midget.

Anonymous Heads Up November 10, 2015 9:56 PM  

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/10/professor-caught-bullying-student-journalist-out-of-safe-space-releases-statement-read-it-here/


An SJW apologises at Mizzou.

Annihilate her.

Anonymous Floyd Looney November 10, 2015 10:38 PM  

SJW's are bad people. They might pretend otherwise, at first, but they are still bad.

Blogger John Wright November 10, 2015 10:57 PM  

"Calling an SJW a Morlock is a slur on the Morlock."

That is why I was careful to select an insult for a race that will not become current until 801702 AD -- I will be long dead before they learn how I have demeaned their good name. Hoo-hah!

Blogger Derek Kite November 10, 2015 11:39 PM  

I think it is far more simple. If you are willing to impregnate a woman without any intention of raising the child that would naturally be forthcoming, you are not to be trusted anywhere near power. If you are willing to end the life of that child through abortion, being a thug and tearing down something is a minor evil in comparison.

We are going on the third generation where sexual licentiousness is accepted as normal behavior. Is it any wonder that the children of such a way of thinking are evil? What basis does anyone have for building a conception of morality except the disdained old structures of religion and family?

Anonymous AusAutarch November 11, 2015 12:11 AM  

To all of the locals, be they VFM, Ilk, or Dread Ilk,

Enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

Just one quote to whet your interest:
"Stop violating me with your different opinions!"

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 12:23 AM  

" If I can be pulled out of the sewer of maggots and cleaned off, who cannot be? "

This is the biologically humane Christian's error. All here have made their ideological repentances, small and great. It does not follow that all of the fallen are thus similarly lost, and capable of being found. The pathways Wright describes are colored by his humane interpretation of the foe. Though he admits that not all walk this course in order from least to worst, yet even asserting that all possess the potential implied in the course is too kind.

What do we find when we examine a Scalzi, or the self-admitted psychopath Fallon, or the menagerie of criminals who infest the lower orders of society?

We discover human refuse, genetic orcs, capable of a semblence of redemption only through the ruthless application of external pressure.

Such creatures, though gifted with some measure of consciousness or spirit, which is the divine spark, are deeply lacking in soul, which is its ornament.

It is the folly of the false doctrine of universal depravity to thus equate the soulless with the ensouled. Do not mistake Paul's hyperbole for anthropometric truth. He was not the greatest of sinners, and neither was Wright.

An honestly deceived man who does evil he thinks is right may submit to the Damascene conversion. One who inherently generates self-justifying right from his ego and convenience will never receive that vision from a discriminating God.

The Lord of the Rings featured one Gollum for every ten million orcs. Blood will tell.

The most difficult thing for a humane soul to comprehend is the total congenital absence of the same. Not all that smiles is human.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 12:35 AM  

The OP is good, of course. The Bible itself is schizophrenic on the subject. Counterpoint would not be complete without point.

Blogger Beau November 11, 2015 12:51 AM  

@ TheRedSkull

One who inherently generates self-justifying right from his ego and convenience will never receive that vision from a discriminating God.

You couldn't be more wrong. I am eye-witness to God's redemption of thousands of men and women living just as you have preemptively dismissed' - those described by an LAPD lieutenant as toxic human waste - but now living productive lives as followers of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Anonymous Anonymous November 11, 2015 1:56 AM  

We have to understand social justice warriors, this means accepting that many of them are acting out of what they see as an ethical point of view. Many of them believe that with the right laws and enough compulsory lessons on the evils of hate and the benefits of love and understanding all human problems can be solved. They think that we are cruel because we don't believe this. They ask for the powers of an all powerful philosopher monarch while doing everything they can to divest the western countries that they live in of the instruments that could make this happen by cutting funds from the armed forces and undermining the power of western countries. They take the views of a narrow minded bigot of the early 20th century (they are all evil darkies to me) and invert them by 180 degrees (they are all oppressed people of colour). They are fanatical, stupid but many of them (the ones we need to win over) are well meaning.

We accept that there is a limit to what we can do to solve the world's evils and that sometimes we can only watch when horrible things happen. We accept that the west's power in the world has diminished and so we should conserve what power we have and use it rationally. We should see western civilization as one of many cultures. While westerners have not always acted wisely and ethically, westerners should not lump anyone who is not from our culture and race as either good or evil.


AKAHorace

Anonymous Ain November 11, 2015 2:03 AM  

SJWism's almost like a real life zombie apocalypse, where people catch a sickness of the brain that causes them to be less than human, and want to consume everything.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 2:13 AM  

That's why it's a counterpoint, not the whole point, Beau. The redemption of some does not prove the redeemability of all. You might just as well point out that not every soldier dies a violent death as Jesus predicted. Holy nonsense.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 11, 2015 3:34 AM  

Is it wrong to pile on? I, too, disagree with the starting premise: "The SJWs are not bad people."

Maybe in 1900, you could get away with saying you were not a bad person for following these "ideals". But after the entire history of the 20th century has been passed before your eyes, including the multiple suicidal streams infecting Western culture? No, I say: you have no excuse for pretending you don't know how much evil comes from the totalitarian impulse to rearrange the world according to your whim. No, they are truly bad, evil people.

Anonymous Bz November 11, 2015 4:07 AM  

AKAHorace, you too are kind in attributing good intentions to the SJWs. But ultimately they wrap themselves in the cloak of good, then proceed to poison and warp society, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

The causes SJWs champion are not well meaning; they are always and everywhere anything but well meaning. They have no ethics or ethical principles, just incoherent feelings that will be used to justify whatever they like at the moment. SJWs are no more on the side of good than an ape that picks up a gleaming crucifix and proceeds to scratch his back with it. 'Good' to them is just a convenient position from which they can do whatever they want. When someone else is trying to be good, it's an invitation for the SJW to exploit them or discourage them. In short, there is no moral seriousness or even coherence to the SJW. Under the veneer is nothing to be admired, no good intentions.

Are there those who have actually seen the light and changed their ways? Yes, but before that point they were at best sinners, not well meaning do-gooders. I find it difficult to recall any SJW who has sincerely done this. And recall there is also the false multitude who pretend to be changed, including those who enter the church and proceed to poison, warp and destroy it. I'm not a very religious man myself, but even I can see that this is wrong. It is not mistaken goodness.

Blogger JohnG November 11, 2015 7:13 AM  

They're lost.

Blogger Beau November 11, 2015 8:26 AM  

The redemption of some does not prove the redeemability of all.

Notice the deft movement of the goalposts. You posit an unredeemable subset of humanity, One who inherently generates self-justifying right from his ego and convenience. I object citing being an eyewitness of the very phenomenon you deny. Your response, The redemption of some does not prove the redeemability of all.. Wrong, only one example of redemption out of your false subset is necessary to demonstrate your statement as false. I merely mentioned thousands of examples of selfish evil people turning to Christ to make the point that whosoever will may be saved, because I've seen it over and over again. You're wrong.

n.b. - I'll be unavailable to respond as I'm off to get an angiogram in a few minutes. This topic; however, is important enough to respond to before heart surgery. Blessings to all.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 9:35 AM  

Now, Beau. I know you mean well, so either the topic is too unfamiliar or you lack my lawyer's dexterity.

I have already anticipated and dealt with your "unredeemable subset... single example" thrust in TWO ways. First, the original statement was a tautology. One who inherently is inherently incapable. Second, my point regarding the literal falseness of Jesus' "all who take up the sword shall perish by it" should've alerted you to non binary thinking ahead. If you have refuted me, you have also refuted Jesus.

I'm not going to explain everything for you. Either you can integrate a belief in a spectrum of congenital ensouledness into the clear evidence before you, or you can persist in holy blindness. Perhaps your heart-reduction surgery will help. I offer prayer for your recovery, out of disdain for winning by default!

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 10:05 AM  

@82 TheRedSkull

We discover human refuse, genetic orcs, capable of a semblence of redemption only through the ruthless application of external pressure.

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HAIL HYDRA!*

*Sorry, I always think that as soon as I see your user name :P

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 10:08 AM  

@85 Anonymous
AKAHorace

We have to understand social justice warriors
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"Don't try to understand 'em
Just rope, throw an' brand 'em"

-- Blues Brothers

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 10:15 AM  

In fact, I anticipated you in three ways, for I spoke not of salvation but of Damascene vision - which has according to Vice visited even a certain ex-cannibal General Butt Naked. And what after all is conversion? For faith without works is dead, and even crack heads preach. Many will say Lord Lord. Therefore distinguish clearly between lumber and sawdust speck. Some thieves mock even in extremis.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 11, 2015 10:19 AM  

@88 Kirk Parker
Is it wrong to pile on? I, too, disagree with the starting premise: "The SJWs are not bad people."

Maybe in 1900, you could get away with saying you were not a bad person for following these "ideals". But after the entire history of the 20th century has been passed before your eyes, including the multiple suicidal streams infecting Western culture? No, I say: you have no excuse for pretending you don't know how much evil comes from the totalitarian impulse to rearrange the world according to your whim. No, they are truly bad, evil people.
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I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion.

But I actually don't think history has passed before these SJW eyes. That's one supposed benefit of living in a bubble. Reality doesn't intrude.

So they may have some surface idea of history, such as Nazis bad, but have no idea of what Nazis actually were.

They won't have a bad impression of communism because some spit flecked bearded Marxist professor once said it looks good on paper. They know it looks good on paper, with no idea what is on the paper.

They will have a bad impression of Christianity because some stoned google eyed hippy or athiest ranted about it one day. He had so much conviction so he must be right. They don't make an informed decision about what Christianity actually is, only that someone they had a modicum of respect for felt strongly about it once, so that must be true.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 11, 2015 10:24 AM  

Hail Hydra

The Kingdom of God advances, by martyrdom and combat's grace
When a black clad prophet falls two more arise to take his place.
Meanwhile rabbits flee in packs at the first small loss of face.

Blogger SirHamster November 11, 2015 2:19 PM  

n.b. - I'll be unavailable to respond as I'm off to get an angiogram in a few minutes. This topic; however, is important enough to respond to before heart surgery. Blessings to all.

@ Beau:

My church is helping out with City Impact this weekend. Would appreciate your prayers, and will keep you in mine.

Blogger Matamoros November 11, 2015 2:25 PM  

@71 - I don't think a lot of Catholics are aware of that. Does the dictionary cite where that opinion of the Church exists in any formal documents?

I've had that quote for several years, but I don't recall it mentioning any formal documents.

All eugenics has been thrown into the "bad, bad, bad" basket when there are positive and negative eugenics as the quote details.

Blogger John Wright November 11, 2015 10:57 PM  

"Is it wrong to pile on? I, too, disagree with the starting premise: "The SJWs are not bad people.""

It is wrong to beat up a straw man. The article does not say the SJWs are not bad people. It says that they do not start as bad people.

The confusion here is mine, for which I apologize. I should have made it clear I am not talking about what is historically prior, that is, In am not say an SJW who is evil at 50 years old was nice and kind at 20 years old. I am talking about what is logically prior, the starting part of their philosophical argument: I am saying that in order to come to the perverse SJW conclusion, one first must accept (and later corrupt) a premise that sounds reasonable, that is, not to judge in haste.

Later in the argument (not necessarily later in time) the premise mutates into an injunction against any kind of judgment whatever; and then later into a hatred of judgment that judges judgment to be evil and evil to be good. At that step in the argument (not that step in history) the SJW becomes a full fledged Morlock, a creature of pure evil who seeks to feed on the flesh of the living, kill babies and sell their organs, cause riots, burn books, trample the cross, rape children, and so on.

So, yet again, my article did not say the Morlocks are good. Disease is not good. But diseases also only exist in organisms that were once healthy. Likewise, evil philosophies always spring out of once-healthy philosophical axioms.

Blogger John Wright November 11, 2015 11:04 PM  

"The causes SJWs champion are not well meaning; they are always and everywhere anything but well meaning."

Amen. Exactly. They are antihumans: anti-virtue, anti-mind, anti-soul, anti-life. That is why I call them Morlocks. They prey on humans and seek to destroy us at every turn, but are stupid, and are afraid of the light.

My only regret is that I could not think of a term that also implied they were overweight pederasts addicted to antidepressants unable to function at any level in society. There are no monsters in any science fiction story I have read embracing those particular slime characteristics.

So 'Morlocks it is --- until HG Wells invents a race of flabby drug-addicted sodomites who come to earth and are wiped out by aids and overdoses.

Anonymous Anonymous November 12, 2015 12:39 AM  

BZ and Werepuppy,

you may think that I am naive and too ready to find moral integrity in our opponents. Vox Day has written scathing posts about how unhelpful moderates are in the struggle. You think that you are realists and that I am a delusional fence sitter.

The facts are in spite of the clear and obvious problems that Merckel's decision has caused, she polls better than her opponents. Even in Sweden the Swedish Democrats are no more than an important minority according to poll results. To win, to take action, anti mass imigrationists should allow changes of heart, should recognize that many of their opponents have just not thought through the implications of what they propose. Not very heroic but the way that Democracy might work.

AKAHorace

Blogger TheRedSkull November 12, 2015 1:06 AM  

"I am talking about what is logically prior, the starting part of their philosophical argument"

I thought you were imagining how your own devolution might go, but that works better and probably amounts to the same thing.

As for Morlocks the name, it's not rude enough, as argued above. I think you've already invented what perfectly encapsulates the SJW - those torture-happy blind eunuch fatsos infesting the moon in your dreamfight book. I forget the name but never the image. Rivers of living water vs rivers of living flesh. That's SJW.

Babel is a spiraling tower of insanity that transfixes the moon, impaling that pale orb into sleepless geosynchronous stability, built from the chittering bones of the damned, from Pharasee to Menshevik, and every Scalzi inbetween.

Blogger John Wright November 12, 2015 3:44 AM  

"I think you've already invented what perfectly encapsulates the SJW - those torture-happy blind eunuch fatsos infesting the moon in your dreamfight book."

Eech-Uisge. The name comes from Celtic mythology. It does fit them nicely, does it not? I knew the type long before I saw them in action in the science fiction field.

I did not use it out of pragmatic humility: everyone has read THE TIME MACHINE. Only you and my mom read MISTS OF EVERNESS, and she did not get all the way up to that chapter.

Anonymous Bz November 12, 2015 4:27 AM  

AKAHorace, I only said you were kind, not delusional, etc.

Politically speaking, I don't think the way to convince the majority is by first conceding that your worst, most implacable enemies are already basically good people. Even allowing for a future conversion, it's not true now. In Europe, they are dangerous lunatics whose incompetence and malice will cast us into ruin, and it is better to hammer home to the electorate how their evil deeds are taking us down this road of destruction.

I'm entirely certain that even if the ruling class are temporarily forced to curb their ambitions (as Sweden now seems to do), they have not had a change of heart and will continue to work for the same destructive goals. They consciously used immigration to punish their enemies in several countries, and I find it quite plausible that these people in power saw the rise of the immigration-skeptic opposition and took the opportunity to flood their countries with a new people before they could be democratically voted out. Once the fears of this episode subside, soothed away by relentless propaganda, our political masters will have set a new normal and will start to work on the next wave. To continue on what I wrote above, they are not working for the sake of the common good, or for good. Indeed, they have at best no firm idea what good is, and don't particularly care. The worst are motivated by other things.

These political SJWs will be the very last to change their hearts, if they ever do. Personally, I would never trust that they actually have. In other words, their penance would have to be life long, and their reward, if applicable, in heaven.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 12, 2015 8:48 AM  

Blog it into the public bestiary then, and enjoy the sales uptick. But the name is unwieldy. How about the Lunuchs of Morflesh - lunar eunuchs of Morpheus flesh. Lunuchs for short.

Blogger TheRedSkull November 12, 2015 12:39 PM  

Actually it occurs to me that the males should be Lunuchs and the females Morflesh. To be determined chromosomally, of course - preferably at autopsy.

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