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Wednesday, November 25, 2015

The nations rise

Adios, EU. Or more accurately, to the dustbin of history where you belong with every other failed fascist empire:
Just weeks into taking power, the new Polish government is making itself felt in making small but heavily symbolic changes to the daily order of business. Having already torn up the previous government’s commitment to take thousands of migrants from the European Union (EU) as part of the continent-wide resettlement programme, Poland is now making tentative steps to remove visible signs of EU influence from public life.

Under the last government, flags displayed at government events including press conferences were equally split between the Polish national, and the European Union. It was all change at Tuesday’s press conference with new Prime Minister Beata Szydlo, who appeared at her podium with Polish flags only.

The new foreign minister Witold Waszczykowski has quickly become one of the most vocal elected politicians in Europe on the matter of mass migration in the few days he has held his post. Speaking to the BBC, he slammed migrants for masquerading as refugees while in Europe, which he said they were not and in doing so were violating international law. Mr. Waszczykowski also stood by the comments of a party colleague who said migrants brought diseases and parasites into Europe, when pressed by the BBC to condemn them. Citing his experience with Arab countries, Mr. Waszczykowski said: “Such a large, uncontrolled migration may cause problems for the life of Europe”.
Between Russia, Hungary, and Poland, we are seeing the rise of Eastern Europe and the decline of the West. What this may serve to demonstrate over time is the signal importance of ethnic solidarity and how it is actually more powerful than the ideology of communism, capitalism, or "democratic liberalism".

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Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 25, 2015 8:12 AM  

he slammed migrants for masquerading as refugees
migrants brought diseases and parasites into Europe

Correct me if I'm forgetting my history here, but when the US used Ellis Island as the point of immigrant entry, weren't infectious diseases and parasites among the things that we were concerned about? My only real reference here is the Godfather films.

That said, I'm not sure how anyone would argue against these positions. If you are coming into Europe from Serbia, which apparently a number of these migrants are, you clearly aren't a refugee, since you aren't from a region at war.

And we absolutely are seeing a resurgence of long-eradicated diseases here in the US, from immigrant populations coming from nations that still have them. We know, historically, that disease has been one of the consequences of immigration.

Actually, that's one of the things that SJWs condemn the European explorers for bringing to the New World.

So is this a real-world example of double-think?

Anonymous karsten November 25, 2015 8:12 AM  

"Between Russia, Hungary, and Poland, we are seeing the rise of Eastern Europe and the decline of the West. What this may serve to demonstrate over time is the signal importance of ethnic solidarity and how it is actually more powerful than the ideology of communism, capitalism, or 'democratic liberalism.'"

I agree. Strongly.

However, I know that it is sperging to point this out, but it honestly deserves to be said, given how often the word "fascist" is used by people to condemn the EU, rather than terms that are more appropriate, from "Cultural-Marxist" to "Bolshevik" to "communist" and the like.

The principle that ethnic solidarity is more powerful communism, capitalism, or democratic liberalism is fascism -- or at the very least, it's certainly national socialism.

I say this 100% approvingly of ethnic solidarity and national socialism and 100% disapprovingly of communism, capitalism, or "democratic liberalism."

In fact, the kind of internationalism that the EU represents is precisely anti-national-socialist and is, instead, entirely in line with internationalist systems such as those three (communism especially, but also most of today's strains of capitalism and "democratic liberalism").

To be fair, ethnic solidarity is not only national socialism, as the Bismarck-Reich was all about ethnic solidarity too, just managed a bit differently.

But it certainly is the key tenet of national socialism (ethnic solidarity, that is).

Basically, the moral of the story is that the NS had it right all along.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 25, 2015 8:28 AM  

@1 WNL:

Yup. Ellis Island and other points of entry were screening for disease, parasites, and so on. Public health was taken seriously in those days...unlike today.

Blogger Basta Con La Droga November 25, 2015 8:28 AM  

There's plenty of stuff I might say about how wrong the mere concept of European Union is. Only, at this point, I can't be bothered anymore.

I'll just say that, the sooner EU crumbles, the f**king better off we'll all f**king-f**king be.

Some Italian bloke.

Blogger VD November 25, 2015 8:29 AM  

when the US used Ellis Island as the point of immigrant entry, weren't infectious diseases and parasites among the things that we were concerned about?

Yes, two percent of the would-be immigrants were turned back for those and other reasons.

I know that it is sperging to point this out, but it honestly deserves to be said, given how often the word "fascist" is used by people to condemn the EU, rather than terms that are more appropriate, from "Cultural-Marxist" to "Bolshevik" to "communist" and the like.

It's not just sperging, Karsten, it's totally fucking stupid. Get your head out of your dialectic ass and learn how to actually talk to people if you want to convince them of anything. If your primary interest is rehabilitating National Socialism, virtually no one will ever listen to you say anything.

If, on the other hand, you are primarily concerned about Western civilization or the European nations, then you should learn to stop babbling about National Socialism and making sure that everyone ignores you. It doesn't "honestly deserve to be said" and only an idiot would be so rhetorically retarded as to insist on it. EU = Fourth Reich. EU = Eurofascists.

As for me, I am anti-socialist of every kind, including National Socialism.

Anonymous Til November 25, 2015 8:29 AM  

National solidarity is half of NS ideology. The other half is socialism.

They've had that part wrong all along.

Karsten, you sound like you are stuck in the European political mindset, with socialism to the left and socialism to the right.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 25, 2015 8:29 AM  

Poland saved the West from the Turks in the 17th Century and Lech Walesa and John Paul II saved the West from the Communists in the 20th Century. We may may owe her again in the 21st.

Blogger VD November 25, 2015 8:30 AM  

Basically, the moral of the story is that the NS had it right all along.

No, they didn't. They had some things right and some things wrong, like all historical ideologies. You could just as easily say the Soviets had it right all along, as they maintained the ethnic integrity of Eastern Europe. But that would be stupid too.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 25, 2015 8:35 AM  

socialism to the left and socialism to the right

I'm sorry, I saw that line and Neal McCoy came to mind. "Shake it to the left, shake it to the right!"

Blogger Bies Podkrakowski November 25, 2015 9:01 AM  

Good news, everyone!

...
OK, maybe not so good.
I’m afraid Breitbart has obsolete information. It's increasingly looks as if we will take those “refugees”. It’s not decided yet but the noises made by politicians here in Poland are: the former government (German loving-bastards they were!) left us with this problem, but their promises were made in the name of the Republic, so we are unfortunately bound by them. Damn.
There’s one ray of sunshine however. If we don’t close “refugees” in camps they will flee en masse to Germany. You would do the same if you have travelled half of Asia, risked your life and paid small fortune to smugglers and all you have to show for all this is a right to stay in Poland, where social benefits are meagre and weather is awful.

Blogger Martin X November 25, 2015 9:01 AM  

Blood is thicker than all -isms combined.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2015 9:04 AM  

Wasn't one of the white man's crimes spreading disease to the noble savage in New England?

Blogger StrongCoffee61 November 25, 2015 9:07 AM  

Medical scientists are extremely concerned about antibiotic resistant bacteria which a rapidly growing threat. However, the xenophiliacs are more concerned about bringing in more leftwing voters and welfare dependants than they are about the dangers to the health, peace, and prosperity of the natives.

And they wonder why there's such an increase in righteous anger.

Eastern Europe is much poorer and less brainwashed than the West, so this is one critical issue where they might be the leaders.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 November 25, 2015 9:10 AM  

@13

And ironically the 'antibiotic resistance' is a cultural issue: pharmacists in the Far East have been giving out antibiotics like candy to people whose problems the drugs won't help (people with viral infections, or non-pathogenic problems).

The dangers of antibiotic overuse and inappropriate use, my medical student friends tell me, is something that a good medical school hammers home in any pharmacy-related courses you might take.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 November 25, 2015 9:12 AM  

@10

It's always the shitty end of the previous administration we have to honor the commitments of.

Funny, that.

Still - your country is obviously less cucked than mine, so best of luck to y'all. Poland: First to fight!

Anonymous FriarBob November 25, 2015 9:38 AM  

Re national socialism, communism, etc... Only God Himself could get ANY form of socialism to work, and He won't waste His time with it. He can do infinitely better than trying to force one of our bad ideas to function.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 25, 2015 9:53 AM  

when the US used Ellis Island as the point of immigrant entry, weren't infectious diseases and parasites among the things that we were concerned about? My only real reference here is the Godfather films.

The godfather movie was mistaken according to my grandmother. She said that Europeans with a just a cough would be sent back, the godfather showed quarantining at govt expense.

ironically the 'antibiotic resistance' is a cultural issue: pharmacists in the Far East have been giving out antibiotics like candy to people whose problems the drugs won't help

Giving them to stupid people who stop taking drugs they got for free when they start to feel better is a bigger problem, but not PC

Eastern Europe is much poorer and less brainwashed than the West Only if the west defaults on all of its debt.

@10 shitty end of the previous administration we have to honor the commitments of.

Are there still bunks in Auschwitz? Die verse city macht frie

Blogger Josh November 25, 2015 10:01 AM  

As for me, I am anti-socialist of every kind, including National Socialism.

Why do our resident WN and NS not get this? Libertarians are not socialists.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 25, 2015 10:12 AM  

Poland's great symbolic act of defiance will be to bring back the Oscypki.

Oscypki (it's a plural word) are goat cheese snacks, sculpted to resemble figures from folklore. They are made by Polish Highlanders (Gorale), a small ethnic subgroup in Tara mountains, who speak with a dialect that's almost unintelligible to other Poles.

Those rich, hand crafted cheeses have been around forever, available throughout the country, until the EU upon Poland's entry banned them on account of nonconforming production methods.

PA

Blogger Hammerli280 November 25, 2015 10:14 AM  

@12 Stg58:

There was a mutual trade in disease. Europe gave the Americas smallpox....and got syphilis in return.

Anonymous Peter Garstig November 25, 2015 10:14 AM  

Why do our resident WN and NS not get this? Libertarians are not socialists.

Or that libertarians who support open borders are no libertarians. The right to propertey and the right to defend such property is at the core of libertarian thought. And open borders is in direct contradiction to it.

Blogger Josh November 25, 2015 10:18 AM  

Or that libertarians who support open borders are no libertarians. The right to propertey and the right to defend such property is at the core of libertarian thought. And open borders is in direct contradiction to it.

The current mass migrations are entirely facilitated by governments, not the free market.

Blogger Student in Blue November 25, 2015 10:22 AM  

Something something white pryde something something gloooooorious nazis.

Possibly the greatest con done by modern education is the notion that any white person advocating for their own race is Naziism. Right next to the con that the only reason why women can't be as physically strong/have as many geniuses as men is that they're oppressed.

Blogger ZhukovG November 25, 2015 10:22 AM  

@7. Skylark Thibedeau

Don't forget the 'Miracle on the Vistula' in 1920. The Polish Army crushed the Bolshevik-Soviet Army that was intent on marching through Poland to link up with Communists in Germany.

Blogger Dexter November 25, 2015 10:23 AM  

You could just as easily say the Soviets had it right all along, as they maintained the ethnic integrity of Eastern Europe.

They dicked things up in the USSR itself because they were trying to keep a lid on nationalism.

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/russians-estonia-twenty-years-after

The extensive introduction of migrant workers, as well as deportation of locals to areas of different ethnicity and the mixing of cultures, was one of the primary tactics of the Soviet Union for reducing the influence of ethnic groups on their own homeland and thus preventing resistance to the central authority. Another tactic was drawing borders that split ethnic groups administratively: this happened to many ethnicities in the Soviet Union, including Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians, but this was also played out in Central Asia and the Caucasus, with populations in northern regions speaking small Finno-Ugric languages, and elsewhere. Many of the current borders do not account for the linguistic locations at all, and this is still causing conflicts today. The Baltics have kept relatively peaceful, but this has not been the case in Nagorno-Karabakh (in the South Caucasus), Georgia, or Ukraine.

You will note that these are the same tactics that the Leftist elites have used in the USA and Europe since 1945 to reduce the influence of whites in their own homelands and prevent resistance to central authority.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 November 25, 2015 10:25 AM  

@22

That may be mostly true, but I'm seeing lots of libertarians coming out saying that border controls are fascism and we must let the migrants go where they will.

The argument that they are therefore supporting government force against the will of the populations makes no headway. If you object to the governments assisting mass migration, you are a fascist, because free borders.

Libertarian autistic are destroying their cause for the benefit of the state. It's crazy.

Blogger ZhukovG November 25, 2015 10:28 AM  

@26. Alexander, #10

This is why I describe myself as a 'Nationalist Libertarian'; Southern Nationalist, but nationalist none the less.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 November 25, 2015 10:38 AM  

@27

Yep. A free society still needs an immune system.

Dismissing nation, culture, and race as superficial and authoritarian constructs is going to turn more people rabidly anti-libertarian than anything else.

Libertarians could possibly make a grab by arguing that the decay in personal liberty is in large part caused by lack of national sovereignty. Barricade the border and you lose the perceived need for the police state. Freedom for the citizenry. A lot of people would at least be open to such a philosophy.

But... nope, because Berlin Wall is the moral equivalent of your locked front door. Libertarians: own worst enemy.

Blogger pyrrhus November 25, 2015 10:40 AM  

Lew Rockwell is a libertarian, and opposes immigration as a violation of property rights.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 25, 2015 10:41 AM  

@18

I'm inclined to think it is some sort of permanent intellectual blind spot there are tons of examples of nationalism that doesn't fit their world view and there are plenty of libertarians who are nationalistic. Austrian Economist Murray Rothbard criticized other libertarians, and other austrian thinkers like Mises, for not recognizing that even in a libertarian world national borders would still matter.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 25, 2015 10:43 AM  

"migrants brought diseases and parasites into Europe"

Speaking of parasites, my local radio station has been reporting about this kissing bug lately. I wonder how many of these ride along with migrants?

Blogger Azimus November 25, 2015 10:48 AM  

VD: What this may serve to demonstrate over time is the signal importance of ethnic solidarity

Ethnic solidarity is always transient in nature, because it can be sliced so fine that ethnically identical peoples can/do war with each other in the next valley over trifles. I think it can be used to accomplish things, but it needs a trigger - like the migrant invasion - and the energy to accomplish work does not last long before the divisions and cracks appear again, and the momentum is lost.

Blogger Cui Pertinebit November 25, 2015 10:54 AM  

@Karsten

Ethnic solidarity has been the norm of all successful nation-states; excessive favouring/welcoming of out-groups has always signaled decline. The ethno-state is a norm in history that existed long before Fascism existed; there is nothing particularly "Fascist" or "Socialist" about it.

What is particular to Fascism and Socialism? I.e., what is it that actually distinguishes these from something like a Monarchical Nation-State? In Socialism, the state controls the means of production. In Fascism "nothing is outside the state;" the state is everything, and cannot tolerate anything to remain outside of its sway, as Mussolini explained it.

When Europe apostatized and began the long rebellion against objective Truth and morality, there was a natural process of Leftist degeneration. There is the authentic reaction, which had always been maintained by the Church against this process. But, at some point, many even of the revolutionaries got disgusted by the excesses of the Leftward drift into degeneracy. Their reaction was Fascism - a reaction that was still fundamentally "Leftist" (if such terms can still mean anything) because it refused to acknowledge the principle of a transcendent, legitimate moral authority, and reduced morality to a merely functional (almost Darwinian) mechanism for ensuring the success and survival of the people on a merely material basis, as though this were a convincing ideology that would answer the human need for spiritual motivation and purpose in building a society. Sensing that it was lacking in this regard, it proposed a very powerful state and ruled largely by intimidation of the upright, and demagoguery of the mob.

The sanest and healthiest form of life, would be a Catholic monarchy that protected the nation-state within the bounds of morality and reason while acknowledging that the State is not the alpha and omega of human existence.

Anonymous BigGaySteve November 25, 2015 10:54 AM  

31. Blogger Were-Puppy Speaking of parasites, my local radio station has been reporting about this kissing bug lately.

I thought you were in Atlanta, hopefully at least in one of the incorporated cities freeing themselves from the 3rd world cesspit.

Chagas came in with the kindervasion, its called Mexican aids. No cure for it but you can take meds to hamper it for life. Chagas is what killed Darwin. I hope it is not as far north as Atlanta, but if it gets into govt housing the cold will not kill it off. While many leftists think that these sorts of diseases would be cured by whites if only they were victims of it, there are whites in Argentina that have been trying to find a cure for decades. That cargo cult thinking that whites could provide everything if they only chose to.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 10:55 AM  

I say this 100% approvingly of ethnic solidarity and national socialism and 100% disapprovingly of communism, capitalism, or "democratic liberalism."

I 100% approve of socialism! I 100% disapprove of socialism!

Nice one, karsten.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 10:57 AM  

The sanest and healthiest form of life, would be a Catholic monarchy that protected the nation-state within the bounds of morality and reason while acknowledging that the State is not the alpha and omega of human existence.

Yes, that worked out quite well for the nations of Europe in the past, didn't it? Nothing quite like the imposition of a Catholic monarchy over a Protestant majority.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 11:04 AM  

@22: Then do you support something like a more aggressive Romney approach to immigration? Actively and aggressively remove all government incentives to immigrants—legal or illegal—to stay and hope that they self-deport?

Personally, I think the Romney plan was unfairly dismissed. If you do it soon enough, it is a great, bloodless solution to the problem. If you wait too long, there is no bloodless solution to the problem. But there are already indications that it was a workable plan, assuming this study is correct.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says/

Blogger praetorian November 25, 2015 11:04 AM  

Poland, once again, it is your sacred duty to save Europe.

WINGED HUSSARS WHEN?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 25, 2015 11:15 AM  

Scalzi must love fascism then

Anonymous kfg November 25, 2015 11:18 AM  

"There’s one ray of sunshine however. If we don’t close “refugees” in camps they will flee en masse to Germany."

And the conditions in Germany have never affected Poland negatively.

Blogger Harry Savannah November 25, 2015 11:18 AM  

It's not just sperging, Karsten, it's totally fucking stupid. Get your head out of your dialectic ass and learn how to actually talk to people if you want to convince them of anything. If your primary interest is rehabilitating National Socialism, virtually no one will ever listen to you say anything.

Nice comment, lovely disposition. With raging-bull (against other NS) who needs Angela Merkel?

Furthermore, Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No? So what do you have to disabuse us of this assertion? If NOTHING, then.... Being a Christian, I am disobliged to use your same vile and rancorous language, though, you would deserve it.

Blogger Harry Savannah November 25, 2015 11:24 AM  

Meant to say "other WN". Teeny, tiny window handicap.

Anonymous Alexander, #10 November 25, 2015 11:33 AM  

Oh for the-

It doesn't matter one damned bit if Hitler was actually the best guy in the history of the world, and we'd all be colonizing Neptune when we weren't singing Alpine folk songs.

If your goal is to stop the invasion of barbarians, then you need to convince other whites to assist in doing so. And by and large, most whites are not presently going to be swayed into taking action by making claims about how awesome National Socialism and Fascism are.

That's just how it is. But complaining about it is as productive as whining that hottie cheerleader is not adequately impressed with your warlock who had green fire before the expansion .

The goal is to win. Winning is accomplished by ensuring a white Europe. It's not accomplished by having a statue of Adolf on every corner.

That's not saying you have to go around like a cuck and preemptively burn a HItler effigy, but it does mean not being a social retard and knowing the audience to which you are speaking.

Say what you will, the Fuhrer knew how to read an audience.

Blogger Matt Robison November 25, 2015 11:45 AM  

And another shoe starts to drop. Sweden to start closing its doors: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/sweden-asylum-seekers-refugees-policy-reversal

Blogger Josh November 25, 2015 11:56 AM  

Furthermore, Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No? So what do you have to disabuse us of this assertion? If NOTHING, then....

It's easy for an economy to have a good initial run with massive amounts of government borrowing and spending.

OpenID paworldandtimes November 25, 2015 11:57 AM  

Adolph Hitler's final score:

7.3 million German killed, 20 million Slavs killed, and one million other European Christians killed.

14 Words fail.

PA

Blogger Were-Puppy November 25, 2015 12:04 PM  

@34 BigGaySteve

I thought you were in Atlanta, hopefully at least in one of the incorporated cities freeing themselves from the 3rd world cesspit.
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I stay out of that city unless I have no other choice.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 25, 2015 12:04 PM  

I notice that pretty much all of the central powers resisting this resettlement plan had had to play host to Ottoman troops during the last millennium.

The Muslims appear to have made a lasting impression on the locals.

Blogger VD November 25, 2015 12:26 PM  

Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No?

No. Not even close. It was just another credit boom. It would have gone bust if he hadn't started the war.

Blogger Mindstorm November 25, 2015 12:48 PM  

@38 praetorian
The old saw about "pulling chestnuts out of the fire" comes to mind. Descendants of people saved by Jan III Sobieski participated in the partitions of his homeland. There is a lesson somewhere, isn't it?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 25, 2015 12:54 PM  

I say this 100% approvingly of ethnic solidarity and national socialism and 100% disapprovingly of communism, capitalism, or "democratic liberalism."

So you approve of one form of collectivism ideology but not other...good luck trying to sell that pair of goods to freedom loving individualists.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis November 25, 2015 1:01 PM  

Being a Christian, I am disobliged to use your same vile and rancorous language, though, you would deserve it.

That churchian virtue signaling shit isn't going to score you any points here.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 25, 2015 1:02 PM  

Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No?

Someone watched too much Star Trek. Don't read history from Harlan Ellison.

Blogger John Wright November 25, 2015 1:02 PM  

"Yes, that worked out quite well for the nations of Europe in the past, didn't it?"

Actually, yes, quite so. It took the wreckage of the Roman Empire, while being attacked from the Norse and the Paynims, and managed to throw the Mohammedans out of Spain. Meanwhile, in the East, the Byzantines has a centralized empire more similar to our modern bureaucracy-state, and collapsed before the approach of Islam.

Monarchy is not a perfect system, but it is better than the Imperial form of government where anyone, from the the son of the previous emperor to a famous general to a camel driver can be elevated to the purple as the Praetorian guard elects, and no one else gets a vote.

Meanwhile, from 500 AD to 1500 AD under precisely the type of government at which you sneer, the West abolished slavery, invented science, erected the Common Law (which is the single greatest juridical accomplishment of Man) created perspective in drawing, the Gothic arch and flying buttress in architecture, the horse collar and stirrup, the romance story in art, individualism in psychology, the Magna Charter, the dinner fork, the Julian calendar, the monastic order, parliamentary government, separation of secular and spiritual government, the University system, the code of chivalry, the notion of limited warfare, Christmas carols, the windmill, modern astronomy, the clock, eyeglasses, the bound book, the Copernican model, and the idea that marriages had to be voluntary for both partners. This was while civilization was wrecked and under remorseless attack by more powerful forces from north, south, and east.

And they did this while preserving pagan culture, arts and letters, unlike their neighbors to the south, the Mohammedan, who destroyed what they could lay their hands on of the previous cultures they conquered.

And they did all this without letting the rich and the moneylender run roughshod over the rest of society. The socialist impulse was channeled into constructive use: anyone who wanted to live without property could join a monastery. Any Puritan who wanted to live without luxuries could be a hermit. Anyone eager for productive work could join a guild or move to a chartered city.

No income tax. More holidays than we have now. People used to sing in public, together. And churchbells -- a new invention -- sent echoes across the landscape to mark the hours.

"Nothing quite like the imposition of a Catholic monarchy over a Protestant majority."

Except for the imposition of a Protestant monarchy where the King declares himself able to determine Church doctrine, practice, ritual and discipline, create secret police, impose torture, and confiscate the wealth of all the monasteries, basilica, and cathedrals, creating a form of government indistinguishable from Oriental caesaropapist tyranny. Except that, you mean? The theocracy of Henry VIII?

All those bolt holes and secret passages in the old houses in England were not for Protestants to escape Catholics, Mr Historical Illiteracy, but for the other way around.

And your sort ripped pages out of the Bible, including some of the most moving passages in scripture.

That is in the minus column. In the plus column, you can be justly proud of the King James translation, which, while inaccurate, is a glory of poetic power.

And the end result of all this Reformation? Modern lesbian archibishops marrying each other, and celebrating Ramadan! Nicely reformed! And you reintroduced the pagan scourges of divorce and contraception, like immigrants reintroducing diseases we had successfully conquered.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 25, 2015 1:10 PM  

@37 Gaiseric
@22: Then do you support something like a more aggressive Romney approach to immigration? Actively and aggressively remove all government incentives to immigrants—legal or illegal—to stay and hope that they self-deport?
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From personal observation and some hearsay, I think this works. It may not have them all leave, but a huge amount that you no longer visibly see are gone now. I believe it was from GA passing some stricter laws a couple years back. They seem to vanish as soon as people were talking about toughening the laws.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 1:17 PM  

Furthermore, Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No? So what do you have to disabuse us of this assertion? If NOTHING, then.... Being a Christian, I am disobliged to use your same vile and rancorous language, though, you would deserve it.

It's not our job to teach you basic economics in order to talk to you intelligently.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 1:21 PM  

@54 I hesitate to say this, because I know the expression is sometimes viewed dimly 'round these parts, but it certainly applies in this case: correlation is not causation. None of that was because they were Catholic. And none of what's happened to, for example, the Anglicans in the last few decades happened because they weren't Catholic; it happened because they were Leftists.

The correct correlation there would be Christian and European. Not Catholic.

Nothing against the Catholics, of course—they are, after all, Christian too. But I see no reason at all to ascribe particular Catholic credit to any of those things that you list.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian November 25, 2015 1:29 PM  

1. John Wright is, of course, correct. Much of The West was achieved under monarchies.

2. Nationalist libertarianism may have some future, USA style Libertarian Party is much too much utopian and esoteric with failed wishes of NAP, doobie, and open borders.

3. There are quite a few WN's that are neither fascist or socialist. Much or Most of those that run http://therightstuff.biz/ are former libertarians/rothbardians/etc.

4. National Socialism in a pure/utopian embodiment (doubtful in this real world) would be much better than what the USA currently has with corporatism/crony capitalism. The major industries in service of the people with a strong nationalist definition could easily be of more service to the people than what we currently have (not free markets).

Socialism (Nationalist), Mercantilism, Corporatism, Crony Capitalism, real world Communism are all to much as variations of a theme.

5. For the record, I am so form of nationalist (southern) / libertarian / traditionalist which confuses the hell out of traditionalists and libertarians alike. And at this point in time, I am utterly at ease with many of the WN's that are former libertarians and not fascist, sperging, tards.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 1:56 PM  

1. John Wright is, of course, correct. Much of The West was achieved under monarchies.

A benevolent monarchy is arguably better than a democracy. The problem with monarchies, of course, is—how do you ensure that they remain benevolent when some moron is in line to inherit?

In any case, I think we may be talking past each other. If he's responding based on the idea that it's a monarchy, I was more taking exception to the implication that it's a specifically Catholic monarchy that's required.

Blogger chris November 25, 2015 2:12 PM  

@54 And the end result of all this Reformation? Modern lesbian archibishops marrying each other, and celebrating Ramadan! Nicely reformed! And you reintroduced the pagan scourges of divorce and contraception, like immigrants reintroducing diseases we had successfully conquered.

Mr Wright, you are erudite and eloquent. But here you speak of which you do not know. The Reformed churches left these state churches (Staatkirchen) because they were infected with the virus of liberalism in the 60s. The 1860s. Over a hundred years, the Anglicans, Lutherans and Kirk of Scotland went form preaching the gospel and converting Africa, Asia and Oceania to the travesty you mention.

Not because of the reformation or refromed theology. The reformed fought them every step of the way, to the point where we have been cast out of their churches, -- there have been places where we have won in part (for nothing in this life is perfect).

But liberalism got into the Catholics in the 1960s, and the virus seems to be just as destructive on that side of the Tiber.

It is going to be true believers that survive this, not those who like the form of religion but despise the discipline of it, and disavow the power of God.

Blogger chris November 25, 2015 2:15 PM  

@59
You ensure that the monarch has limited power and you can vote the bastard out. You make him a creature of parliament, and the other members of parliament from his party can remove him at any time.

Which is what happened to Abbott.

And as far as morons ruling incompetently, well... the USA and Brazil have both had very incompetent and disastrous presidents that you cannot dump.

Blogger chris November 25, 2015 2:17 PM  

Clatification: the powre resides in the cabinet, led by the Prime Minister. The Queen reigns, but does nto rule. In short, the Westminster system is antifragile: the US republic at best is robust.

Blogger justaguy November 25, 2015 2:17 PM  

Was the advances made under the monarchies in the West because of ethnic solidarity or tribalism or some better form of government? I note that China and Japan had tribalism and monarchies without similar advances.

Blogger MendoScot November 25, 2015 2:32 PM  

The problem with monarchies, of course, is—how do you ensure that they remain benevolent when some moron is in line to inherit?

Steady on there, Gaiseric. The rumour is that Ol’ Big Ears is going to be passed over in favour of one of Diana’s bastards.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 25, 2015 3:04 PM  

Byzantium was destroyed by the Catholics in the 4th Crusade. They later overthrew the Latins but the damage was done. That is what lost the Pearl of Christiandom to the Turks.

Anonymous A Visitor November 25, 2015 3:45 PM  

The move has been called a ‘snub’ by Britain’s Financial Times and even prompted former Belgian prime minister and senior European Union parliamentarian Guy Verhofstadt to tweet “So you do not wish EU flags, but still want EU money?”.

Well Guy, if you're so butt hurt, why not get the EU to withhold funding? It's like people that bitch about welfare leeches (I'm not say Poland is, I'm just making an analogy). If you have a problem, get them busted for fraud. Otherwise, shut up. I love it: the Poles are taking EU money while telling them to suck a fat one!

@7 I would not be surprised. From government to the Catholic Church in Poland, they just have balls to call a spade a spade and do what needs to be done.

@10 I am sorry to hear that. Can the new government kinda do like what we may do with some of Barry's executive agreements (i.e. since they were never ratified by the Senate they are no longer in force post Dear Leader)?

@18 Because...Hitler or something.

@19 Do they taste good?

@25 It's one of the ways they got South Ossetia to go Russian when they invaded Georgia in '09.

@31 Gotta love how they say it's growth is likely to growth of suburbs where it lives rather than it coming from out of state. Well, it came from out of state to begin! Friggin' Leftists...

"The sanest and healthiest form of life, would be a Catholic monarchy that protected the nation-state within the bounds of morality and reason while acknowledging that the State is not the alpha and omega of human existence."

@33 Ann Barnhardt noted how in France under the monarchy, people were better off than their republic. It figures.

@34 My aunt is one of those white Argentines. I've yet to be there but went to Ecuador a few times in undergrad. Thankfully, never got bit by that SOB.

@38 That. was. epic!

@43 Thanks for shooting him down.

@48 They tend to have longer memories than those of us in the States and for good reason.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau November 25, 2015 3:59 PM  

China and Japan had major advances but fell afowl of incompetant inward looking Oligarchs. Zhang He lead expeditions to explore all parts of Asia, East Africa, and Arabia. When his voyages were over the next emperor decided that China did not need a navy or merchant marine and had the fleet destroyed. " ...Not only were all of these ships destroyed, but the shipyards were shut down and most of the documents related to the fleet were ‘lost.' Following the destruction of these ships, an ordinance was placed stating that no ships with more than two masts would be allowed to be built. Over a hundred years after the fleet was destroyed another ordinance was placed that forbid all trade with foreign nations and people."

Blogger JCclimber November 25, 2015 4:38 PM  

I would suggest that all Christians who are primarily focused on preserving the perks of our decadent civilization unite under the Roman Catholic Church. Its history quite forcibly demonstrates that it will not shrink from seizing and using power to achieve its ends. That is what you all desire, isn't it? A strong leader who will not hesitate to throw out inconvenient rules that hold it back when crisis hits.

It has quite clearly regained status and power from the deadly wound it received from Napoleon's general Berthier in 1798.

They also are powerful enough to make necessary changes to the 10 Commandments, and let me tell you fellow Protestants, it doesn't get much more powerful than claiming the holy right and power to change God's written law.

So, if you want to throw in with the strong horse in this earthly race, you know right where to find it, located on the 7 hills in Italy.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 25, 2015 4:55 PM  

John Wright @ 54,

I'll grant you, for the sake of discussion, most of your Catholic-Europe benefits, but not your damning-with-faint-praise of the Authorized Version. For its time it was by far the best translation available. Yes, far too literalistic, far too inaccurate--but compared to its competition? No competition.

Blogger Kirk Parker November 25, 2015 4:56 PM  

Oh, and if you've never read any of Lancelot Andrewes' non-translation writing... you should.

Blogger Danby November 25, 2015 5:00 PM  

They also are powerful enough to make necessary changes to the 10 Commandments, and let me tell you fellow Protestants, it doesn't get much more powerful than claiming the holy right and power to change God's written law.

That sir is a base lie and slander.

Blogger Student in Blue November 25, 2015 5:01 PM  

@JCclimber

...are you being facetious?

Blogger SciVo November 25, 2015 5:09 PM  

@ Azimus: Ethnic solidarity is always transient in nature, because it can be sliced so fine that ethnically identical peoples can/do war with each other in the next valley over trifles.

I was just pondering that the other day. If you wanted to provoke white solidarity, a great way to do it would be to denigrate whites for decades, lumping us together as interchangeable villains and scapegoats, and then unleash a mass migration from alien cultures where might makes right.

Of course, I don't think that was the purpose. A simpler explanation is that it was done by an alliance of ambitious midwits who thought they could control the world, and mere geniuses who feel threatened by whites (but can only think a handful of chess moves ahead).

People from intolerant cultures cannot perceive the limits of our tolerance, any more than fish can see the end of the atmosphere. It might as well be endless to them, so they can't imagine the horrors on the other side; and since MPAI, even ample historical evidence is not enough.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 5:15 PM  

And as far as morons ruling incompetently, well... the USA and Brazil have both had very incompetent and disastrous presidents that you cannot dump.

We can, it's just procedurally more difficult than it ought to be. Especially when the "opposition" party is anything but. Our Constitutional republic is pretty screwed, but it would only take relatively minor tweaks to fix it.

After the quislings, traitors and assorted hangers on are thrown out, that is.

That said; I recant my statement that a Christian monarch would be better. That was a momentary lapse, and I would hate anyone to think that my command of the Old Testament was that poor. We have no business setting up any kind of monarchy other than a divine one, and that won't happen until the Second Coming of Christ.

Blogger Danby November 25, 2015 5:22 PM  

We have no business setting up any kind of monarchy other than a divine one,
First comes the crisis
Then comes the military dictator.
And if the dictator is wise and clever enough, then comes the king.

Look at Spain for a modern example.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 25, 2015 5:28 PM  

The automatic conflation of monarchy with tyranny is a testament to the effectiveness of American schools.

Blogger SciVo November 25, 2015 5:35 PM  

@ Peter Garstig: The right to propertey and the right to defend such property is at the core of libertarian thought. And open borders is in direct contradiction to it.

That's why I call them "international trespassers" when talking to a libertarian.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 5:41 PM  

It's inherent in our blood. Shortly after the revolution, the American ambassador to France was at a party in Europe, where everyone else was dressed like a peacock, and he wore a plain black coat and tie, as befitting the humble image of the early American who rejected the concept of an elite class. When one of the party-goers, attempting to mock him, said he looked like he was dressed for a funeral, he replied that he was: it was the death of monarchy.

In any case, it's not MY conflation of monarchy with tyranny. It's God's. Pick up your translation of choice and read 1 Samuel Chapter 8.

Blogger JCclimber November 25, 2015 5:44 PM  

@71
That sir is a base lie and slander.

I pulled it directly from my copy of the Catechism. It is quite explicit about their right and power to change the Law.

Blogger JCclimber November 25, 2015 5:45 PM  

Anyway, regarding the ideal state of government, the time of Judges from Moses through King Saul was the Lord God's prescribed method of ruling, and He tried to warn them against establishing a monarchy, but they wanted to copy the pagan nations around them.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 25, 2015 6:04 PM  

@76 Cail Corishev

The automatic conflation of monarchy with tyranny is a testament to the effectiveness of American schools.
---

Yeah because the founding fathers loved monarchs.

Blogger Danby November 25, 2015 6:10 PM  

@79
Quote, you worthless cur.

Blogger Azimus November 25, 2015 6:39 PM  

Danby November 25, 2015 5:22 PM
We have no business setting up any kind of monarchy other than a divine one,
First comes the crisis
Then comes the military dictator.
And if the dictator is wise and clever enough, then comes the king.

Look at Spain for a modern example.


Franco is not the example you're looking for. For a general to take over the place and not introduce hereditary line for his own kin is very, very unusual. Either the general would win back the throne immediately for his king or he would resist attempts at a restoration.

Besides, even he doesn't fit your pattern - he basically WAS the crisis.

More typical is the Napoleonic model, which needs no explanation beyond riding a wave of popularity through some kind of military triumph or other, either internal or external.

Blogger Groot November 25, 2015 6:43 PM  

France's prison population is estimated to be 70 per cent Muslim.

Blogger VD November 25, 2015 7:01 PM  

The problem with monarchies, of course, is—how do you ensure that they remain benevolent when some moron is in line to inherit?

How is that a problem? It's easier to kill one moron than several hundred.

Blogger Mikolaj Mowbray November 25, 2015 7:33 PM  

Vox, these politicians in Poland are populists. They promise freebies to the masses and blame foreigners for all the countries woes.

You are literally siding with a populist. That is a socialist. And that cares little about nationalism.

Blogger CM November 25, 2015 7:37 PM  

the time of Judges from Moses through King Saul was the Lord God's prescribed method of ruling

I'm curious how this style of governing could be done in modern times. It appears to be very compatible with (national) libertarian ideals - small, limited government that is more concerned with resolving conflicts between citizens than extorting money from its citizenry.

Blogger Mikolaj Mowbray November 25, 2015 7:43 PM  

The man behind the Polish government (and Duda) is Kaczynski. The other twin brother that was some government politician during communism...And according to you is now leading the nationalist movement that will devour the EU.

Poland is scared of Russia and married to the EU money that builds its highways and infrastructure. Duda and Kaczynski will never reject that, but instead introduce meaningless measures like removing flags from press conferences.

Have you been to Poland between 2002 and now? It is tough to argue Poland is better off without the EU if you have.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 7:43 PM  

How is that a problem? It's easier to kill one moron than several hundred.

Historically, it's not usually easy to kill a king, and even harder to upset a dynasty, loaded up with hangers-on.

I'm curious how this style of governing could be done in modern times. It appears to be very compatible with (national) libertarian ideals - small, limited government that is more concerned with resolving conflicts between citizens than extorting money from its citizenry.

Hard reset of meltdown/apocalypse probably needs to precede it.

Blogger Mikolaj Mowbray November 25, 2015 7:53 PM  

And since when do Russia and Poland and Hungary have "ethnic" solidarity? Poland had Solidarity in 1980,,,

That aside, they have different languages, different alphabets, different religions, and one of the three has subjected the other two to its rule. Not to mention Poland fought a war of dependence after World War I against Russia. Poland is no more a part of Eastern Europe as Russia can control it.

Blogger Azimus November 25, 2015 8:01 PM  

73. SciVo November 25, 2015 5:09 PM
A simpler explanation is that it was done by an alliance of ambitious midwits who thought they could control the world, and mere geniuses who feel threatened by whites (but can only think a handful of chess moves ahead).


Midwits perhaps, but midwits that are winning at present. They are instituting the classic British Imperial Dominion model on the Western world - the Brits ruled the world by backing a sizeable implacable minority faction against the implacable majority faction within a geography. Everyone says the Brits were morons for drawing up Iraqi, African, etc. borders the way they did - really? I'd say they were rather savvy - the cold, ruthless logic of imperial power, but savvy just the same.

So, by backing the minority faction with a smattering of privileges and armed protections, a situation was created where imperial presence was needed by the minority faction, and in turn worked to please the empire to continue it's protections and privileges.

In 2015 you need look no farther than Saudi Arabia for a textbook example. The house of Saud would not rule Saudi Arabia without US assistance. This is why most of the 9/11 jihadis were from Saudi. This is why the Khobar towers were bombed - we are propping up a hated dictatorship there, that cannot be overcome while we support them. Hence the rebels/terrorists strike the US in a bid to force a withdrawal.

So since this has been such a successful model to pillage the wealth of nations - Saudi essentially sells us their oil in exchange for promises to repay (treasury bills) and weapons - the powers that be are expanding this to Europe and US/Canada using "refugees/immigrants". They are creating a new majority against which they will pit the sizeable minority (white Europeans). This sizeable minority will keep things running and lick the boots of their imperial masters in order to keep them safe from the implacable majority and their minority privileges intact. The model is a little more complex than it was in 1945 India or 1918 Iraq, I think the new imperial masters are probably corporations or banks or both, but the pattern is the same.

Blogger Azimus November 25, 2015 8:03 PM  

90. Mikolaj Mowbray November 25, 2015 7:53 PM
That aside, they have different languages, different alphabets, different religions, and one of the three has subjected the other two to its rule. Not to mention Poland fought a war of dependence after World War I against Russia. Poland is no more a part of Eastern Europe as Russia can control it.


You missed something, read it again. Namely the post title.

Blogger Cail Corishev November 25, 2015 8:12 PM  

Populists? Oh no! Run away, run away, back to the safety of our crony capitalist and command-economy overlords! Whew, that was close.

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 8:35 PM  

And since when do Russia and Poland and Hungary have "ethnic" solidarity? Poland had Solidarity in 1980,,,

Heh. Not with each other, brah.

Blogger Mikolaj Mowbray November 25, 2015 8:41 PM  

To Azimus, read my entire posts...not some selective quote. Poland is not going to have solidarity with Russia...or against the EU. Duda and Kaczynski are populist clowns that introduce measures like not having EU flags at press conference for fanfare. It is like GW announcing "french fries" are freedom fries.

Gaiseric, Poland had a Solidarity movement in 1980. That alone proves it lacks solidarity with Russia and Hungary...

OpenID paworldandtimes November 25, 2015 8:53 PM  

And since when do [...] Poland and Hungary have "ethnic" solidarity?

Poles and Hungarians are famously friendly with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_and_Hungarian_cousins_be

PA

Blogger Gaiseric November 25, 2015 8:54 PM  

Dude, I don't know how to be more clear than I already was. Nobody's talking about solidarity between Poles, Russians or the Hungarians except you. We're talking about national solidarity. Y'know, within the nation. Poles with other Poles. Russians with other Russians. Hungarians with other Hungarians.

And in all cases, against the Saracen invader.

Blogger Billy November 25, 2015 9:21 PM  

54. John Wright. Incredible insight.

Anonymous D Meister November 25, 2015 10:11 PM  

I don't like the fugly lesbian looking prime minister. Why can't they get a man? Where are the men?

Eastern Europe seems to be benefiting from its communist past right now. Communism made the countries such that no outsiders wanted to move there. In fact, the people that lived there wanted to leave. This kept the countries ethnically pure. Now the Eastern European countries can look at the Western European countries and see that they don't want Muslims settling in their lands.

Anonymous Joe November 25, 2015 11:29 PM  

Mikolaj Mowbray = SLD / Palikot voter and an leftist Gazeta Wyborcza reader. Duda and Kaczynski are not populist clowns.

Anonymous Joe November 25, 2015 11:33 PM  

D Meister, Communism wiped out much of Polish intelligentsia/patriots. It's definitely not benefiting from the Communist Past. Learn some history of the region and the aftermath of WW2. Westerners don't understand Poland because they don't know the history.

Anonymous Joe November 25, 2015 11:37 PM  

"The other twin brother that was some government politician during communism.."

This is pure bull. And Mowbray is a total Adam Michnik disinformation regurgitator. Basically folks you're listening to some Guardian / HuffPo equivalent reader. Don't listen to this rubbish.

Anonymous Joe November 25, 2015 11:40 PM  

The Polish right movement is inspired and maintained mostly by the Polish Roman Catholic Church. The church throughout the Polish past has maintained Polish solidarity and patriotism in times of foreign partition and occupation.

Blogger dfordoom November 26, 2015 12:45 AM  

@Alexander, #10
Winning is accomplished by ensuring a white Europe.

Not really. A white Europe of feminists, greenies, LGBTQWERTY activists, urban hipsters and girly men is what caused the problem. Unless the cancers of liberalism can be excised there is no hope of victory. Even if you win a temporary slowdown of immigration you'll still lose since liberals will just go on undermining western civilisation. And when you think you've won that temporary victory on immigration they'll just wait a couple of years and open the flood gates again.

The enemy within is much more dangerous than the immigrants. Mass immigration is a symptom of the decline of Europe and the US, not the cause.

Blogger dfordoom November 26, 2015 1:11 AM  

@SciVo
If you wanted to provoke white solidarity, a great way to do it would be to denigrate whites for decades, lumping us together as interchangeable villains and scapegoats, and then unleash a mass migration from alien cultures where might makes right.

The only trouble is, it hasn't provoked white solidarity. There's no sign of white solidarity happening. In fact what little white solidarity there was in western Europe and the US is vanishing fast. The dream that eventually there will be a pushback is just that - a dream.

The only thing that gets whites upset is any threat to the homosexual agenda and when that happens they turn on fellow whites (as they have turned on Russia).

Anonymous Anonymous Something November 26, 2015 1:49 AM  

And also tobacco. I strongly suspect the Indians won that one in the long term in terms of raw kill count.

Blogger Floyd Looney November 26, 2015 1:56 AM  

Poland is doing it right. I'm not sure they can do it alone though.

Blogger SciVo November 26, 2015 5:20 AM  

Azimus @91: Everyone says the Brits were morons for drawing up Iraqi, African, etc. borders the way they did - really? I'd say they were rather savvy - the cold, ruthless logic of imperial power, but savvy just the same.

Oh I agree, I've always said the same -- but it's silly to imagine that you can use the same technique on the people that came up with it. Understandable in a world where organizations see people as interchangeable "human resources," but incorrect, foolish and destined to fail spectacularly. My guess is that some dumb MBAs only learned the theory, not the practice -- which requires utter ruthlessness -- and so never even got the chance to try to think through the implications about what would happen if the minority was of the stock capable of controlling others that way.

dfordoom @105: There's no sign of white solidarity happening.

It is not very public, because the people who performed the long march through the institutions are using their institutional power to suppress it; but I assure you that when men gather where they can speak without threat of sanction to their livelihoods, their sentiments are clear. Further, we are sending clear orders to our soi-disant "elites" in the polite way, through ballots; if they continue to ignore us in favor of the money men, then there will be consequences for reducing the legitimacy of FedGov.

I would be delighted to be wrong. I don't want to live under a tyranny, no matter how soft; but in the events necessary to overthrow one, real people will be harmed. But I just can't picture the American people putting up with this for much longer (looking at the medium term of decades). I think that someone has made some serious miscalculations, from a combination of short-term thinking and falsely imagining human fungibility.

Blogger SciVo November 26, 2015 5:55 AM  

To add, I see the apparent contradiction in my thesis, so I will clarify. I think that our "elites" can only tell that humans are different as consumers and performers, not as moral agents. (I have to put "elites" in scare quotes because I've met them, and I suspect that they literally don't even understand what moral agents are.)

Blogger Mindstorm November 26, 2015 6:54 AM  

@88 Mikolaj Mowbray
"During communism"? His twin brother was a Polish president whose term ended in an "accident" on Russian soil not so long ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Kaczy%C5%84ski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash
Are you simply misinformed?

Blogger Mindstorm November 26, 2015 7:01 AM  

@100 Joe
I don't think he is even a Pole.

Blogger Gaiseric November 26, 2015 10:27 AM  

I don't want to live under a tyranny, no matter how soft; but in the events necessary to overthrow one, real people will be harmed. But I just can't picture the American people putting up with this for much longer (looking at the medium term of decades). I think that someone has made some serious miscalculations, from a combination of short-term thinking and falsely imagining human fungibility.

Bingo. The longer we wait, the worse it will be. But the bleeding edge can't go out on their own without a critical mass of backing behind them either. It's a tough balance.

Anonymous Joe November 26, 2015 11:03 AM  

Mowbray speaks of Kaczynski's brother. Gazeta Wyborcza's Adam Michnik's half brother is THIS GUY:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Michnik
Note that it's Gazeta Wyborcza which is the source of information on Poland.

Blogger Danby November 26, 2015 12:10 PM  

@113 Joe
Wow, they're both real pieces of work. Stefan Michnik was a military judge who rubber-stamped death sentences for Stalin. Adam Michnik was a committed Communist in Poland, but "...became an opponent of the communist regime at the time of the anti-Jewish purges in the party.
Well, we know where his sympathies lie, don't we.

OpenID joeholocaust November 26, 2015 8:03 PM  

@5
I very much disagree and before you say it, I know you don't care. You are wrong to use the Fascism smear against the EU because the EU is a Marxist destroyer of nations. It seems like you are buying the line from Jews like Goldberg in Liberal Fascism in basically equating the USSR with NSDAP Germany because socialism is leftist. Ridiculous.
National Socialism needs a rehabilitation a lot less than white Americans and others need to liberate themselves from the endless Jewish lies they are subjected to by the mainstream media. NS is not about gas chambers or genocide and WWII Germany wasn't either. Despite the shrill claims of mass gassings etc. there was no evidence of systematic mass gassings. Pictures that you see of piles of bodies show victims of starvation and disease. The alleged extermination camps were all liberated by the USSR and all 'evidence' was collected by Soviet officers, often Jews. Does Soviet 'evidence' have a high reliability of accuracy among the ilk here? Like with the Katyn massacre? Do confessions extracted by torture and/or staged executions by all three main allied countries (UK, USA and USSR) for the Nuremburg kangaroo court ring true to you? Anyway, put aside all that and consider NS as a model to be followed in the USA by its greatest proponent to date: George Lincoln Rockwell. Rockwell produced several books and other pieces outlining NS that I would recommend open minded whites to
read for themselves what NS (the ideology, socio-political and economic policy in contrast to the very flawed example of Hitler's 3rd Reich). I have read much of your criticism of what is wrong today and I agree with it but of what whites could do to reclaim their homelands rather little and how to safeguard their eventual(hopefully) hard won victory from collapsing soon after in the same way that our civilization has slid in only a century. NS as described in Rockwell's works is a clear idea that will forever remove Jewish influence and mud invaders without genocide but merely asserting the right of Whites to have a nations of their own just like Japanese, Zimbabweans and Israelis. There is no need to try to sneak some conservatism back into the system past its Jewish sentinels and sugar coating what needs to be done as 'National Libertarianism' to gain more acceptance and perhaps a few clever Jew supporters is a recipe for failure in my opinion since many will consider the term itself to be an oxymoron for starters. I am still unclear about it and would welcome more detail. Would miscegenation be banned? How about polygamy? Pedophilia? Who will pay for sanitation, water, roads, emergency services, armed forces, etc.? If the richest pay the most will it not become a de facto plutocracy? Would capital be permitted to become more concentrated? Would there be anything done to boost fertility rates? Would Jews be permitted to stay? If so, would you at least request reciprocity with Israel for whites to settle there? Any central authority to control airspace, air traffic and territorial waters or is it open frontier? Environmental policy or laissez-faire? Is there any room for government control and involvement in commerce and industry and who decides how much is reasonable or appropriate. I have too many questions and until there are more clear answers I am not sold but I am at least openminded enough to offer support to any who would put in place a system that improves the lot of the White Race and aligns with The Fourteen Words.

OpenID joeholocaust November 26, 2015 8:09 PM  

46. OpenID paworldandtimes November 25, 2015 11:57 AM
Adolph Hitler's final score:

7.3 million German killed, 20 million Slavs killed, and one million other European Christians killed.

14 Words fail.

PA


Agreed. It failed the 14 Words right off the bat.

OpenID joeholocaust November 26, 2015 8:20 PM  

49. Blogger VD November 25, 2015 12:26 PM
Germany under just THREE YEARS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM saw the greatest turnaround and economic miracle in world history. No?

No. Not even close. It was just another credit boom. It would have gone bust if he hadn't started the war.


Just another credit boom, he says. What judeo-capitalist country is there today that doesn't wish it could experience such a 'credit boom' while the rest of the world languishes in a near stagnant state (still papered over with debt spending) this many years after the '08 bust? Just more Jewish propaganda that has slipped past you without scrutiny on your part. We could see such a resurgent economy too if we would extricate ourselves from the grip of international banksters and you have said something along these lines yourself previously. If it was just another credit boom, why aren't more countries doing it? At least Germany has the Autobahn to show for its efforts. What did helicopter Bernanke accomplish with QE and QE2 et. al.?

Grinder

Blogger JCclimber November 27, 2015 3:59 PM  

@82.
Since you seem to be incapable of using Google search, I'll supply the direct quote after I get home.

Blogger JCclimber November 28, 2015 1:10 AM  

@82
"The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine", published in 1946 by B. Herder Book Co, 15 and 17 South Broadway, St. Louis, MO.
ISBN 1-57258-046-1
Page 50:
"3. The Third Commandment
Q. What is the Third Commandment?
A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

A direct quote. It certainly isn't unique, there is plenty of bold statements about why Catholics worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Given your tone, you sound like this is an emotional issue rather than something for which you believe you have good solid proof. By the way, eliminated the real 3rd commandment which forbids idolatry and splitting the 10th to create a new set of 10 commandments is also a rather bold move.

Blogger Mindstorm November 28, 2015 5:39 AM  

@119 Interesting. As an ex-Catholic apostate, I remember the third commandment taught to me by a Roman Catholic priest to be about idolatry, not observance.

Blogger Mindstorm November 28, 2015 10:30 AM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commandments_of_the_Church
This is another issue.

Blogger szopeno November 28, 2015 10:46 AM  

Law and Justice (PiS, governing party) is nominally right-wing, but...
(1) Kaczyński is fan of Pilsudski, not Dmowski (Pilsudski: you could argue he was early predecessor to multi-culturalist crap, dreams about Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian-Belarussian federation, Dmowski: nationalist)
(2) Kaczyński is catholic alright, and is not multi-culturalist, but he speaks big about tolerance, national inclusivism and so on.
(3) Nominally PiS is populist (they won promising a lof of welfare to families, 500 zlp for evey second and next children in a family), but during their previous rule they had one of most pro-enterpreneurship laws and taxes; unfortunately, Mrs. Zyta Gilowska, who was brave women behind those laws, died in Smoleńsk with Kaczyński's twin brother.
(4) PiS is planning to get hard on banks, big corporations, foreign capital, while trying to be good for smaller buisiness and native companies. Unfortunately, they do not put much faith in free market and want to boost development via proper government actions.

In short, PiS is a mix between left (economically) and right (culturally). While I like them better than the previous corrupt government, they _can_ screw us badly.

Anonymous bw November 28, 2015 10:55 AM  

Man was not made for the Sabbath, but rather the Sabbath for Man

Desperate souls need an Exclusive Club membership, don't they?


Oh, and White Separatism is the moral and practical future of the U.S. specifically.
That said:
White: check
Nationalist: check
Euro civilization as Superior to others: check

Most people who read here likely identify with the above, regardless of the screeching and policing of FreeTrade Libertarians.
America First Isolationism.

Blogger Mindstorm December 05, 2015 11:22 AM  

Ha! Joke on me for confusing the second and third commandment. Well, another lesson not to rely on fallible memory from more than two decades ago, when there are reliable sources at hand.

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