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Wednesday, December 02, 2015

And there goes Ben

I told you it was just a matter of time before this cycle's Get-Out-of-Racism-Free card expired.
Pro-Life leaders are furious with presidential hopeful Dr. Ben Carson for his comments yesterday that pro-life rhetoric is partially responsible for the shootings that took place in Colorado last week.

On CBS’s Face the Nation Sunday morning, Carson said, “Hateful rhetoric exacerbates the situation…You don’t ever solve them [problems] with hateful rhetoric. Both sides should tone down the rhetoric and engage in civil discussion.”

On ABC’s This Week Carson said, “There’s a lot of extremism coming from all areas. We get into our separate corners and we hate each other, we want to destroy those with whom we disagree.”

In exclusive interviews with Breitbart News, a number of national pro-life leaders condemned Carson’s statements.
Anti-gun and squishy on abortion. I stand by my original assessment: he's a complete non-starter. Don't worry, he's got a nice soft landing at Fox News waiting for him.

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Anonymous map December 02, 2015 2:06 AM  

FIRST

Blogger BassmanCO December 02, 2015 2:08 AM  

@1

Seriously? I am probably somewhere on the spectrum, and I don't even pull that shit.

Blogger SciVo December 02, 2015 2:09 AM  

He says "we want to destroy those with whom we disagree" like there's something wrong with that.

Blogger synp December 02, 2015 2:48 AM  

@1
It's spelled "frist"

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 02, 2015 2:48 AM  

Dr. Carson ought to stick to what he is good at medicine and participating in his faith

Politics isn't his strong suit.

Blogger pdwalker December 02, 2015 2:55 AM  

@1 you're stunning accomplishment would be even more amazing if you actually had something useful to contribute.

Blogger Groot December 02, 2015 3:07 AM  

Ihr seid verfluchte Hunde!

If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and you're already dead!

[Cavalry laughs]

Maximus: Brothers, what we do in life... echoes in eternity.

Blogger Josh December 02, 2015 3:08 AM  

This might have been his Rick Perry "oops" moment.

Blogger Gapeseed December 02, 2015 3:14 AM  

Have to think this will sink Dr. Ben's chances in Iowa, and thus, his chances overall. Carson's support will most likely go to Cruz, who finds himself in an interesting polite dance with Trump before what is likely to be an entertaining bloodbath between the two.

Blogger SciVo December 02, 2015 3:31 AM  

@ Gapeseed:

Oh wow, I don't want to see that because they're good enough that they could destroy each other.

Blogger JACIII December 02, 2015 5:03 AM  

Ben is a moderate. What do moderates do? Direct fire upon their own side.

Nothing new to see here.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 5:41 AM  

Maybe Dr. Ben thinks the man who said the following should have toned down his rhetoric:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

And

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

And

Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Blogger Hammerli280 December 02, 2015 6:03 AM  

@10 SciVo:

I think Trump and Cruz will keep it civil. They may well be sharing the ticket.

Anonymous dB December 02, 2015 6:36 AM  

Maybe he is slowly trying to extract himself out of the race because it has become an albatross. He is not fit for the job.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 02, 2015 6:46 AM  

Carson is a man of soft convictions in a time of war.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 02, 2015 6:52 AM  

To be honest, Carson has not impressed. Cruz has. Trump is showing a solid understanding of foreign policy beneath the bombast.

Blogger John S December 02, 2015 6:55 AM  

And prospective pharaoh Tutancarson was a brought low...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 02, 2015 6:59 AM  

The pro-abort rhetoric is pretty extreme, is that what he meant?

OpenID simplytimothy December 02, 2015 7:00 AM  

His Terry Shiavo remarks
When asked by a reporter whether he believed Terri Schiavo deserved Congress’s attempt to halt her court-ordered 13-day death by starvation and dehydration, Dr. Carson blithely responded, “I don’t think it needed to get to that level. I think it was much ado about nothing.” are of the same cloth and removed him from my consideration.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 02, 2015 7:05 AM  

So we're getting president Hillary finally - great. Trump is good and probably has the votes but Hillary has something he doesn't - the Diebold voting machines.

Blogger Cinco December 02, 2015 7:18 AM  

I think the salient point here is that he is basically saying, 'don't fight back...' Sorry Ben, the right has been using nothing but dialectic since I can remember. It does not work when the vast majority of the nation can not even contemplate something as simple as the law of supply and demand. Rhetoric is now more important than dialectic, when it comes to raising an army.

Anonymous 334 December 02, 2015 7:25 AM  

@12.

Steve, you're channeling the Rabbi this fine morning ...

OpenID paworldandtimes December 02, 2015 7:28 AM  

"Dr. Carson ought to stick to what he is good at medicine"

Assuming that's true. Maybe he is a good neurosurgeon. Or maybe he is a nominal surgical team leader who gets the credit for successful operations but White surgeons on his team do the heavy lifting. Not that I've ever seen that scenario play out in various professional settings...

PA

Blogger Jeff Hendricks December 02, 2015 7:46 AM  

@11 Yup, nailed it.

I was really hoping Carson would pull some sort of stunt that would show his determination and fight, but alas, nothing of the sort is forthcoming.

Anonymous Bee December 02, 2015 7:50 AM  

Action beats rhetoric. PP is not talking, they are doing. Doing evil every day.

OpenID simplytimothy December 02, 2015 7:53 AM  

OT: Charles Murray has written Human Accomplishment: the Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 BC to 1950.

Its robust conclusions have already had the singular effect of enraging feminists, members of ethnic minorities, lovers of 20th-century modernism, orientalists and Islamic fundamentalists.

Put bluntly, Murray has attempted to prove scientifically the overwhelming cultural superiority of Dead White Males.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3611273/White-male-and-proud-of-it.html


(:




Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 8:00 AM  

Ben is a moderate. What do moderates do? Direct fire upon their own side.

You beat me to it. He's just showing how smart and reasonable he is, by bashing both sides -- except he only really bashed his own side, as moderates always do. Of course, that assumes he's on the pro-life side, which was probably a weak assumption in the first place.

My knowledge of surgeons -- which, granted, comes mostly from TV, but also from applying logic and thinking, "What sort of person would you have to be to be great at that job?" -- tells me that they tend to view human life in mechanistic, economic terms. Maybe they have to, to be able to walk into a room and cut into someone every day. But they tend to view lives in terms of triage -- which lives can be saved, and which should be saved when you look at the costs and how that affects other lives?

So I don't expect there would be a lot of strictly pro-life surgeons, and his statements here and on the Schiavo case fit with that.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 8:04 AM  

334 - He's the rabbi of our hearts.

And for those VFM who don't have hearts, he's the rabbi of our chitinous ecoskeletons.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 8:05 AM  

Or exoskeletons. Whatever. Words are hard.

Anonymous farmer Tom December 02, 2015 8:06 AM  

I still see a lot of people here in Iowa supporting "Ben", because he is nice. However, this and the Terri Shiavo thing are slowly eating away at his number of "Christian Conservative" supporters.

Thus, my predictions of less than a month ago may already be completely wrong.

Oh well, that's why I don't get paid to be a political pundit. (Except, most of them are usually wrong).

Blogger Red Jack December 02, 2015 8:39 AM  

@21. Cinco

Ben is a SDA. They view non defense as a core doctrine.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2015 8:39 AM  

Since the Co. Springs "PP shooting" is stuffed full of illogical facts that need to be studiously ignored in order to promote The Narrative, the fact that it is used to further The Larger Narrative (American Universalist Theocracy Dogma) with Carson just proves he's one of the many cardboard cutouts who are positioned strategically to keep the sheep happy in their delusions.

Yawn. There are no political solutions to collectivism, and collectivism is the glue that holds together ever bit of Universalist dogma and animates everything about modern life.

Wake me when something NON-collectivist shows up in the media, especially regarding a political contest.

Blogger S1AL December 02, 2015 8:39 AM  

No, no, I like ecoskeletons. Shows that the vfm are scientifically advanced and environmentally responsible (snerk).

Blogger Red Jack December 02, 2015 8:43 AM  

@27

Because of the situation with Little Bear last year, I had the chance to meet a lot of doctors. The better ones were the people who, after the cutting was done, reminded themselves that the child they are talking about is someone's baby. There is a hardness, there has to be or you go insane, but the best doc's know the line. The head of the NICU was a great doctor, who knew that a good part of the job was talking with the parents and being able to tell them the hardest news they will ever hear.

The worst were sociopaths. They didn't care about the patient, only about the glory to themselves. One in particular was a good technical guy, but tried to tell me that it would have been better if Little Bear (who is talking and getting ready to walk) to have been killed. Not something you tell a father of a child in the NICU.

Blogger Shimshon December 02, 2015 8:46 AM  

Amusing that Ben can't even keep his mouth shut to maintain whatever lead he has. He's like a closeted SJW that can't shut up through the primaries.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey December 02, 2015 8:51 AM  

The Magic Moderate Negro is wrong. The right is not using enough hateful rhetoric. It also demonstrates he is ignorant of Scripture, as "hateful" rhetoric came out of the mouth of David, who was a man after God's own heart, and Jesus Christ himself. Uncle Ben, try this instead:

"The Kloset Klansmen of the Democrat party support abortion because they hate black babies. Just like their racist forefathers, they fear nothing more than a conservative negro who became successful off the plantation."

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 02, 2015 9:09 AM  

@34 One in particular was a good technical guy, but tried to tell me that it would have been better if Little Bear (who is talking and getting ready to walk) to have been killed.

You have it backwards.  If all you see is their pain and even the things you do to help cause more of it, compassion would drive you to want to stop the problem at the source.  If you asked those docs what they would have wanted for themselves had they been in that situation, they will say the same thing.  I know someone with spina bifida who would just as soon have been spared the ordeals.

Blogger SS December 02, 2015 9:16 AM  

Cruz has long been my backup plan if Trump ended up bombing out. Found out this week that he's gone (or has secretly always been) soft on the border. Completely wrote him off now. It's Trump or bust. If he's not on the ticket next year, I'm not wasting my time voting.

Blogger Brad Andrews December 02, 2015 9:35 AM  

Just saw this on Google News:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-reads-morning-clips-trump-top-carson-fading-n472716

Seems like the news may be catching on as well, in spite of themselves.

Blogger Unknown December 02, 2015 9:35 AM  

@1: Our host doesn't censor the comments much, but maybe ``frist psots'' should be censored. Look at how Slashdot went downhill when that fad started.

Back on topic, I have never heard hateful rhetoric from pro-lifers. Unfortunately, I've never heard angry rhetoric, either. Abortion is the murder of innocents, and a little rightous anger seems proper. Maybe it's just too exhausting to maintain that rightous anger; maybe my anti-abortion activist friends are showing emotional exhaution rather than acceptance or resignation.

Still, unlike squishy Carson, they never blamed themselves or their rhetoric when someone killed a baby-killer. Unlike Carson, the pro-lifers I know have their heads screwed on right, and they don't apologise for being right..

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 9:37 AM  

@1 map

FIRST
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Congrats! To the first black poster to this topic!

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Congrats! To the first hispanic poster to this topic!

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Congrats! To the first female poster to this topic!

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Congrats! To the first retarded trans-neurotypical of this topic!

Hate to tell you, but white dudes been being first forever.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 9:42 AM  

@20 Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99

So we're getting president Hillary finally - great. Trump is good and probably has the votes but Hillary has something he doesn't - the Diebold voting machines.
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Whatever dude. Trump would have something Hillary doesn't. Millions of pissed off, fed up armed Americans.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 02, 2015 9:44 AM  

What? The black Republican candidate bombed again?

I'm shocked! Shocked that this happened!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 9:49 AM  

@36 ThirdMonkey

"The Kloset Klansmen of the Democrat party support abortion because they hate black babies. Just like their racist forefathers, they fear nothing more than a conservative negro who became successful off the plantation."
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That is beautiful!

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 9:55 AM  

Congrats! To the first female poster to this topic!

I win? My accomplishment is better than your accomplishment.

Cruz has long been my backup plan if Trump ended up bombing out. Found out this week that he's gone (or has secretly always been) soft on the border.

I was surprised by the rumors he wasn't soft on borders.

On rhetoric-bashing and "moderates" -

Maybe its my inner moderate speaking, but hasn't VD mentioned before that lovers of dialectic have a revulsion to rhetoric and that it takes some work to start using rhetoric effectively? I still hate how rhetoric sounds most times. That's not to say I don't see its purpose.

Carson could use a certain political science best seller to see the virtues of rhetoric.

I still think he's a "nice" guy, but like many nice guys, conflates "being nice" with kindness.

pro-life rhetoric is partially responsible for the shootings

Because pro-abort rhetoric isn't responsible for shit.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 9:55 AM  

Carson was never in Herman Cain's league.

I still listen to Herman on the radio several times a week and he has a lot of great points.

But I never heard him talking about Egyptian Grain Pyramids, or telling pro-lifers to tone it down.

Blogger Nate December 02, 2015 9:57 AM  

This is bad enough he may have even thrown away his chance at the Fox show he was angling for. He may have banished himself to the wilderness of talk radio

Blogger Super Snake (VFM #239) December 02, 2015 10:03 AM  

Don't forget that he's in favor of forced vaccinations as well.

Anonymous A Visitor December 02, 2015 10:11 AM  

@11 Ding ding ding!!!!!

@13 That's what I'm gunning for. I think it'd be an unstoppable ticket. Granted, Cruz is for increased immigration but his stance on amnesty isn't as bad as Rubio's. ¡Jeb!, pues ya saben...don't get me started on him. Fiornia: Frank Reardon (second 21) says it best. The rest ought to just drop out.

I read the full transcript of Carson's interview. The anti-abortion movement has not been using hateful rhetoric. We haven't murdered over 55 million people (hey, the abortionists and supporters should be proud: they've killed more than the Holocaust and Stalin (excluding foreigners murdered by the Soviets during the Second World War) combined! /sarc). Frankly, Carson's call for toning down "hateful rhetoric" just smacks of *feelings*! Feelings! We better be nice or they'll say bad things about us and be mean to us!

@20 Well, who is to say a bunch of anti-Hillary folk can't rig'em the other way?

@34 Having a family full of medical personnel (including several doctors), I can assure you that you're correct on the hardness: they have to be that way because many of them have patients die on them (depending on the specialty, daily, for others, annually or less). They have very dry senses of humor but that's to protect themselves from seeing what most do not. Glad to hear you had some good ones and glad to hear Little Bear is doing well (I remember reading that from another post).

My personal prediction is next year is going to be a blow out. Trump is going to slay Hillary and she will most likely be indicted either right before November or sometime after he takes office.

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 10:14 AM  

Don't forget that he's in favor of forced vaccinations as well.

That's surprising. Selling out your friends makes you a fool on both sides. Where exactly did the "Repub drs don't science" thing come from? Did he take a completely different stance in the debate?

Anonymous This just in December 02, 2015 10:33 AM  

...conclusive evidence is pointing to the beginning of the end.

Blogger Tom K. December 02, 2015 10:35 AM  

Yes, but a man is dead.

Blogger Tom K. December 02, 2015 10:36 AM  

I guess he wants to put them in his cabinet.

Blogger Tom K. December 02, 2015 10:39 AM  

"What do moderates do? Direct fire on their own side."

Unless they're "moderate" Muslims.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 10:54 AM  

When I was a lad, I was a fan of Gentle Ben, which was far better than Flipper because simple maths dictates bears > gay fish.

If Dr. Ben Carson was actually a 700lb black bear who had wholesome family adventures involving airboats, he'd get a Fox TV series in a heartbeat.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 11:01 AM  

he'd get a Fox TV series in a heartbeat.

No no no, Fox News Channel not Fox Married with Children channel. Sadly, FOX News just isn't ready for a 700lb black bear hosting a roundtable.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 11:05 AM  

Dave - Sadly, FOX News just isn't ready for a 700lb black bear hosting a roundtable.

I think a show where a 700lb black bear mauls political pundits would be a surefire ratings hit.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 02, 2015 11:06 AM  

The worst were sociopaths. They didn't care about the patient, only about the glory to themselves. One in particular was a good technical guy, but tried to tell me that it would have been better if Little Bear (who is talking and getting ready to walk) to have been killed. Not something you tell a father of a child in the NICU.

Medical education inculcates a certain viewpoint. Since physicians are human and humans make mistakes, and since many people simply throw themselves at physicians and say, "fix me," shit happens.

Possibly a physician could exist who embraces the burden of inevitably harming some of his patients via error or ignorance (since we know that some medical dogma of today will be overthrown tomorrow) but I have never met one, not in meeting hundreds of them.

No. They cultivate a God complex, either subconsciously or sub-subconsciously. It's part of the training. Anything bad is God's Will. It is a mindset singularly averse to confronting unknown unknowns, of the wisdom of caution in the face of them.

Now that I think of it, this must be the 1st Alternate qualifier for political office, the main qualifier of course being a complete sociopath.

Blogger kmbr December 02, 2015 11:08 AM  

I never "got" the attraction to Ben.

IMO, Cruz is could very well still be part of the kabuki. His wife (complete NWO insider), his pedigree--all scream to me, "this guy is not what he claims to be". My spidey senses go off with him.

It is Trump for me. Still hoping for a dark horse Pinochet to show up. (:


Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 11:15 AM  

Oh I agree it would be a surefire ratings hit but the hue and cry from the sensitive and easily offended would cause difficulties in getting a whole season in. Maybe we start out with bear wrestling and work up to mauling.

Blogger Student in Blue December 02, 2015 11:20 AM  

@Tom K.
"What do moderates do? Direct fire on their own side."

Unless they're "moderate" Muslims.


Or even "moderate" democrats, as far as I can tell. 'Everyone to the left of me is an ally!'

Moderates are simply wishywashy people who believe the lie, even though they don't wish to show it and say differently. They're liars by essence.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 11:21 AM  

"Don't forget that he's in favor of forced vaccinations as well."

That's surprising.


No it's not. Have you met any doctors? (No, I know they aren't all that way. But that's the way to bet.)

Blogger The Rev December 02, 2015 11:26 AM  

@59 Every time I see Cruz, I wonder whose skin he's wearing. The serial killer vibe is strong with that one.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 11:27 AM  

I was surprised by the rumors [Cruz] wasn't soft on borders.

Yes. Of course Cruz was soft on borders. In the years B.T.C. (Before Trump's Candidacy), all Republicans were soft on borders (including Trump (threw that in for Josh)). The rare ones who weren't, like Tancredo or Santorum, were banished to the outer darkness and painted as the worst sort of extremists by the party. The idea that there was a prominent, presidentially-electable Republican who was tough on borders and somehow we didn't know about it was ludicrous.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 02, 2015 11:46 AM  

Every time I see Cruz, I wonder whose skin he's wearing. The serial killer vibe is strong with that one.

That would be awesome.

The videogame version should be called President Evil.

Anonymous Gecko December 02, 2015 11:55 AM  

Apparently he just made some statements in favor of more surveillance too.
Ben Carson Renews Call to Expand Domestic Surveillance: ‘In the Larger Capacity, We Should Monitor Anything’

Blogger Josh December 02, 2015 12:02 PM  

In the years B.T.C. (Before Trump's Candidacy), all Republicans were soft on borders (including Trump (threw that in for Josh))

Thank you sir

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 02, 2015 12:08 PM  

Its 'echoskeleton' as in 'the scraping of my bare metatarsals echoes throughout eternity because I am not just a skeleton, but an all-knowing Skeleton God.

Vote for me because I used to be black before the acid stripped the meat from my bones, and now I am a Dead White Male, and besides, I'm not as crazy as Cthulhu.

Blogger Dave December 02, 2015 12:11 PM  

The videogame version should be called President Evil.

Oh I like it Steve. FDR in an armored wheelchair, the most evil president ever. Reagan in a cowboy hat with two six-shooters. We need to kickstarter this right now.

Anonymous ThirdMonkey December 02, 2015 12:34 PM  

@69 Reagan should be riding a T-Rex.

Blogger SirHamster December 02, 2015 12:38 PM  

One in particular was a good technical guy, but tried to tell me that it would have been better if Little Bear (who is talking and getting ready to walk) to have been killed.
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You have it backwards. If all you see is their pain and even the things you do to help cause more of it, compassion would drive you to want to stop the problem at the source.


The value of your life, by your own words.

Not very rational, but what can one expect from an atheist?

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 12:43 PM  

Cail,

"Don't forget that he's in favor of forced vaccinations as well."

That's surprising.

No it's not. Have you met any doctors? (No, I know they aren't all that way. But that's the way to bet.)


I was more referring to the left's faux outrage over a doctor who "didn't support mandatory vaccinations" post-debate.

Blogger Red Jack December 02, 2015 1:08 PM  

I saw things in the hospital when Little Bear was there that shook me. However, I did not meat a single pro death nurse (the ones who actually do the majority of the care of the kids).

As for suffering, Little Bear just crawled up to me with a ball this morning to play with the dog. She loves to sit on my lap and watch history shows (She keeps saying the Roman Centurion is "Daddy!"), have me read books to her, and laugh and play. She is not a vegetable, and never was at risk to being one. She was at risk for dying because of PROM at 15 weeks gestation.

The doc's view was since the high risk pregnancy "traumatized" my wife, killing Little Bear would have been better and more convenient.

To quote "Princess Bride", Life is pain. Anyone who tells different is selling something. Life is also precious. All of Bear's NICU roommates keep in touch. Most of them had some rather severe issues. Most of them are now bouncing 18 month year olds. Some didn't make it, one is having to have life long care. All of them that survived are happy kids.

Did the 60 plus days of being on a vent hurt Little Bear? Yes, I suppose it did. She would cry those first few days when I couldn't even pick her up. She cried when they had to put in a tube to her tummy to feed her. Babies who don't have much amniotic fluid have a tough go of things. However, that first day in the NICU, she heard my voice and calmed right down. She held my hand and tried to smile. Yes, the treatment caused pain, but we are not to give up the gift of life because of it.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 02, 2015 1:38 PM  

Hillary has something he doesn't - the Diebold voting machines.

You know, if something "happened" to those machines in the month or so before Erection Day, there would be no real alternative except to fall back to paper ballots.  That plus some exposure of election fraud could discredit the Free Stuff Party enough to de-legitimize the government.  Imagine if an incoming Republican congress refused to seat any big-city Dems.

pro-abort rhetoric isn't responsible for shit.

Name a legal human being murdered by someone motivated by pro-choice rhetoric.  There are no pro-choice counterparts to Bernard Slepian.

The anti-abortion movement has not been using hateful rhetoric. We haven't murdered over 55 million people

You're re-defining "people" against the clear meaning of the law.  Recall that the Constitution specifies "born or naturalized"?  Calling someone a murderer when they are not is hateful.  This is just as true of George Tiller as George Zimmerman.

All the noise about abortion has been a great diversion from the real issues, like genocidal immigration; it has kept the Recucks on the plantation instead of going populist.  Besides, anything that swings 72% against Blacks in Mississippi can't be all bad.

@71 The value of your life, by your own words.

The value of my life to me comes from having lived and known it.  To die before becoming conscious is to never know anything, thus to lose nothing.  There are infinite potentialities which will never be realized, and the vast majority of them cannot be; becoming one of them is just part of nature.

Blogger SirHamster December 02, 2015 2:05 PM  

The value of my life to me comes from having lived and known it. To die before becoming conscious is to never know anything, thus to lose nothing. There are infinite potentialities which will never be realized, and the vast majority of them cannot be; becoming one of them is just part of nature.

Don't care. All of that can be canceled out by the pain you've caused others with your words. Maybe we should stop the problem at the source.

Anonymous One Man's Chorus December 02, 2015 2:13 PM  

Ben Carson is a horrible orator. He sounds like he's on anti-anxiety meds.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 2:24 PM  

@1 map FIRST---Congrats! To the first black poster to this topic! So much for me ever being the first gay poster on topics again

I think Trump and Cruz will keep it civil. They may well be sharing the ticket. I am hoping for Sen Sessions.

Put bluntly, Murray has attempted to prove scientifically the overwhelming cultural superiority of Dead White Males.

How blind are leftists to need it shown to them? If someone could prove equality they would be a billionaire.

But they tend to view lives in terms of triage -- which lives can be saved, and which should be saved when you look at the costs and how that affects other lives?

You mean the guy that lead 70+ OR team, on a 20+ hour high risk surgery that had never been tried before? I doubt even the best insurance would cover less than 10% of the cost.

@34 One in particular was a good technical guy, but tried to tell me that it would have been better if Little Bear

NICUs have made great strides in the last 20 years in pushing back how many weeks early a baby can survive. They have made ABSOLUTE ZERO progress in how early a baby can be born with normal statistical health outcomes. Probably the worst thing to have to say to parents is "We can keep your baby alive, but he will never leave the hospital, he will have a 90% chance of dying by age 1 and a 99% chance of dying by age 10"

You need a doctor that is willing to bring up things like stunting your child's growth if he will need care for his entire life, especially if you are going to be the one needing to roll him over to change his diapers at age 20.

Don't forget that he's in favor of forced vaccinations as well.

The VA doesn't have the money to pay for vets that got Hept C from vaccines and transfusions+ contaminated immune globulin(vaccine) in Vietnam to get the cure for Hept C. But BathHouse Barry has money for moslems.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/va-cant-afford-drug-for-veterans-suffering-from-hepatitis-c/

Yes, but a man is dead.

No lamestream mention of the 17 shot in a New Orleans playground on Saturday, just like they ignored 8yo white girl Maddy Middleton who on 7-26-15 was raped to death by a mestizo who was seen on security footage tossing her body into a dumpster in a sanctuary city during the week of Cecil the Lion Coverage.

Possibly a physician could exist who embraces the burden of inevitably harming some of his patients via error or ignorance

I knew a white female anesthesiologist that killed her self, for embracing burdens.

However, I did not meat a single pro death nurse They are the ones taking an hour+ worth of smoke breaks a day, demanding to be allowed to not wash their hands, and not willing to cut a prayer break short to save a patients life.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/9162051/Woman-died-after-Muslim-nurse-refused-to-help-as-he-was-praying.html

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 2:28 PM  

The value of my life to me comes from having lived and known it.

This is so backwards. We (christians anyway) celebrate the end of lives well lived who have known love and given it.

We mourn the lives that were lost without those chances. A 5yo who dies of cancer is met with far more sorrow and bereavment than the loss of an 80yo woman to breast cancer. Why? Because of lost potential and missed opportunity to live.

The value in a coin is not merely the value it has already acquired, but also has value in what it can gain through investment.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 2:28 PM  

@74 Name a legal human being murdered by someone motivated by pro-choice rhetoric. There are no pro-choice counterparts to Bernard Slepian.

You can not call me a hypocrite if you believe in equality, so I am going to point to Dr Kermit Gosnell's higher rate of mother deaths. He had people he hired off the street giving women general anesthesia, and even your standard RN can not do that.

Blogger The Rev December 02, 2015 2:34 PM  

@69

"When Wheelchair Corporation President FDR releases the deadly T virus into the Republican Presidential Debate, only one man can stop him and his genetically engineered super-soldier Tedesis Cruz: Donald Trump. And Ronald Regan. So two guys. Also, Regan has a T-Rex, so; two guys and a dinosaur."

Tedesis Cruz concept art:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cdvbo48hstuuxcb/Temisis.gif?dl=0

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 2:35 PM  

@59 kmbr

I never "got" the attraction to Ben.
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*Falls on fainting couch at this racist, homophobic, sexist, trans-nutter hatespeak*

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 2:36 PM  

Realchoice.blogspot.com documents the deaths of mothers who have had abortions -

Deaths that pro-abort rhetoric has tossed aside in its crusade for cheap, easily accessible abortions. They do not care for women's health, regardless of every rhetorical jab to the contrary. SJWs always lie.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 02, 2015 2:36 PM  

@63 The Rev

@59 Every time I see Cruz, I wonder whose skin he's wearing. The serial killer vibe is strong with that one.

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I kind of like him even though he is a Canexican.

Blogger RobertT December 02, 2015 3:31 PM  

I'm really glad to see Carson blaming everyone for everything. His level approach of blaming everyone in sight is just turning everyone off. Rubio appears to have the same approach, but so far no one is paying him enough attention to hurt him. But he's really hot after Iowa ... laying on hands and all that stuff. Wonder how that goes over back in the Senate he seldom frequents.

Blogger Danby December 02, 2015 3:31 PM  

Mr Irrational
Eat a bag of dicks and die, you fucking waste of carbon that would otherwise serve a useful purpose.
Seriously, go put a bullet in your fucking nihilist atheist head.

Blogger Red Jack December 02, 2015 3:51 PM  

@77. BigGaySteve

The ones in Little Bear's class did not have the long term disability you mentioned while I was in level 1 NICU (there were a few that had been there for 100+ days now that I think about it). The worst was a little boy born with his intestines on the outside. He has a path to go.

The Ped nurses were a much different thing. We had to have a small surgery on Bear to correct her hip (from my side of the family, not related to the PPROM). One of the Ped nurses tried to give her Oxycotin. She was on nothing and playing at the time. They also smelled like cheap vodka. I pulled the Oxy, and said no thank you.

Anonymous BGS December 02, 2015 3:51 PM  

Mr Irrational-Eat a bag of dicks and die

Since the 6 videos came out, less baby parts are available. Even Barney Frank is having trouble affording his bag of dicks habit.

Blogger lis2984 December 02, 2015 4:00 PM  

Ben Carson ain't going anywhere. It is clear that there was a misunderstanding about the report and the pro-lifer reactions. Ben clarified it on his facebook page:

" Another issue I want to deal with tonight is the Colorado Springs shooting that occurred while I was in Jordan. Some are twisting my words and I want to be quite clear. I adamantly condemn the violence. I have no idea why this individual committed these acts. Clearly though, mental health played some role.

I was asked about the rhetoric our so-called leaders use. My response dealt with the name calling after the shooting. I responded by saying that everyone in political discourse today shouldn’t hate people for simply believing something different. That I can believe abortion is murder without calling anyone a murderer. That being against abortion doesn’t mean I am anti-woman. I believe we can win our cause by debating the points. As a nation, we must be able to talk to one another and more importantly, listen to one another.

I have been called more names than most I assure you. But I recognize name calling is what one does when another has no ability to persuade. I think it is time for a new civility towards one another. We mustn’t hate one another. Hate is a poison.

This shooter was obviously mentally impaired. Our lack of civility played no part in his mental illness. But when these events happen, there is no way to completely prevent them. We should unite around the victims and not instantly use the tragedy for political gain.

I have spent my life caring for babies. I have operated to save the lives of the unborn. I believe abortion kills a human life no matter the circumstances of conception. I have been called names for this belief.

Millions feel just as strongly as I do. None of us are shooting innocent people. Some people have twisted my words to say somehow our strong beliefs caused this tragedy. That is absurd. I was speaking to the line drawing and name calling after the tragedy. As I write this, I will guarantee you that in the comments below, someone will practice the intolerance I spoke of Sunday. We must begin to be able to disagree with one another without hating each other for our differences. This is the civility I spoke of Sunday. Goodnight. -Ben"

Blogger Danby December 02, 2015 4:14 PM  

@88 lis2984
He is responding to a rhetorical attack with dialectic.
That has never, in the history of human communication, worked in a political context. Every single pro-lifer who even thought about voting for Carson is now asking himself "Is he just another useless politician who will stab us in the back after getting our votes?"
5 paragraphs of dialectic will not remove the doubt.
On top of which, he is not really backing off his statement, just excusing and "clarifying" it.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 02, 2015 4:46 PM  

86 The ones in Little Bear's class did not have the long term disability you mentioned while I was in level 1 NICU

Some long term disabilities will not be discovered till 3-10 years out. I am generally pro life but see the appropriateness of therapeutic abortions. If a preg woman who had a car accident needs it to survive,she will get a CT of the abdomen (I have heard its more radiation than 100 Chest xrays) & whatever Pregnancy Category X drugs that will keep her alive until the end of the ER shift or transfer. In an ER with trauma rooms, if not obviously preg, she might have neck/chest/pelvis x-rays and a Foley in before her name is known.

This is probably one of the most complicated and controversial issues in healthcare, that couldn't be summed up in less than an hour of CE. There is a difference between long term disability, & normal probabilities of heath. There is a difference between x % chance to survive 1week, y% chance to survive 1 year, z% chance to survive 5+ years and the long term effects of someone getting 200+ x-rays and hundreds of doses of medication before year 1. A lot of the former get therapeutic abortions now, parents have to make the decisions based on informed consent. One person with anencephaly lived to be 12years old but I would strongly suggest any parent examine their options. One of the bigger costs of illegal aliens is the no prenatal care illegal that squats out a premi.

Blogger Daniel December 02, 2015 4:47 PM  

Barney Frank's Bag of Baby Dicks are a delicacy in ISIS. It all makes sense now.

Anonymous Susan December 02, 2015 4:57 PM  

It will be interesting to see how quickly his numbers start really sliding when more people pay attention to the fact that a lot of his research and experimentation was done on actual fetal remains. This has become an extremely touchy subject for now, and rightfully so.

Blogger CM December 02, 2015 5:13 PM  

It will be interesting to see how quickly his numbers start really sliding when more people pay attention to the fact that a lot of his research and experimentation was done on actual fetal remains.

Why? Unless those fetal remains were artificially inseminated embryos in a laboratory for the sole purpose of experimentation or they were aborted and sold to his educational facility, i don't see the issue.

A lot of medical progress was achieved via access to donated cadavers and autopsies (with permission from family) of failed patients.

Why should we have a knee jerk reaction to a miscarried or still-born fetus has been used to advance life saving pre-natal surgery?

Anonymous Cyclone Bob December 02, 2015 5:55 PM  

Uncle Ben: "That I can believe abortion is murder without calling anyone a murderer."

If his other comments didn't finish him, this one should. What a complete and utter fool.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 02, 2015 6:25 PM  

Yeah, his response didn't even address the problem. The problem isn't that he might not be pro-life enough. As far as we know, he is, at least as much as any other candidate. The problem is that he tried to score some cheap political "moderate" points by shooting at his own side, especially at those on his own side who are dedicated enough to go out and use "extreme rhetoric" to try to save lives. That already earns them plenty of abuse from the left; it shouldn't bring them abuse from their own wannabe leaders as well.

It speaks to loyalty, and also to the simple ability to read a room.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 02, 2015 10:50 PM  

@78 This is so backwards.

Who are you to tell me what my life should mean to me?

We (christians anyway) celebrate the end of lives well lived who have known love and given it.

And the blastocyst that fails to implant and winds up being thrown out on a tampon... you literally do not notice it.  If the woman in question was dreading pregnancy she'd actually celebrate "Aunt Flo".  Do you really call that blastocyst "a life"?

We mourn the lives that were lost without those chances.

Yes, we do... when they are things we notice.  Some things are none of our business.

Because of lost potential and missed opportunity to live.

Every fertile cycle a woman doesn't try to become pregnant is a "lost potential" in the broadest sense.  Broadening things that far is reductio ad absurdum, as is the anti-abortion definition of "life".

@79 Negligent homicide is not murder; however, sticking scissors into the neck of a live newborn is.  Oh, and the medical school which passed Gosnell should take a share of the blame, for letting a deadly incompetent practice medicine in the name of "racial justice".

@85 Spoken like a true SJW!  See, you're not so different from your purported enemies after all!

@95 When you start defending actual murderers in the name of "pro-life", you have gone over the edge just as badly as any SJW. 

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 3:15 AM  

@ Unknown: Back on topic, I have never heard hateful rhetoric from pro-lifers. Unfortunately, I've never heard angry rhetoric, either.

Abortion is murder. The people that do it are going to Hell. I'm polite to the faces of people that I know because I like them, but I also hate them for what they have done.

And the baby chop shops need to be closed.

Blogger SciVo December 03, 2015 3:35 AM  

@ Mr. Rational: All the noise about abortion has been a great diversion from the real issues, like genocidal immigration

Wow. Okay. Now I know not to respect your opinion any more. Just because they have both been problems for decades doesn't mean that you should ignore one.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 03, 2015 9:59 AM  

@98 Do you know how society... American society... used to deal with the burden of Downs children?  They stuck them in institutions where they were more or less neglected to death.  This was all during the time when abortion was unavailable to the vast majority.

Children with severe birth defects are enormous burdens on families.  Do you really want more of them?  Or would you rather have families refusing to have children because what is now a risk they can handle becomes a lifetime burden they can't?

Banning abortion won't fix the birth-rate problem either.  Germany long had an effective ban, and look at it.  If you want to fix the demographic problem you have to restore affordable family formation.  Among other things, this means getting rid of most of the tax, crime and dysfunctional-school burden of NAMs.  You're not going to stop stupid people from getting pregnant, but you can get them to go to an abortion clinic afterward.

I think what pains you the most is that Margaret Sanger was right, but until reality mugs you personally you probably won't admit it.

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