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Wednesday, December 30, 2015

As in Europe, so in America

Patrick Buchanan sees a similar future to the one John Red Eagle and I predicted in Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America:
What was predicted, 14 years ago, has come to pass.

Migrants into Germany from the Middle and Near East reached 1 million in 2015. EU bribes to the Turks to keep Muslim migrants from crossing over to the Greek islands, thence into the Balkans and Central Europe, are unlikely to stop the flood.

My prediction that European “patriots will recapture control of their national destinies,” looks even more probable today.

Prime Minister David Cameron, who almost lost a referendum on Scottish secession, is demanding a return of British sovereignty from the EU sufficient to satisfy his countrymen, who have been promised a vote on whether to abandon the European Union altogether.

Marine Le Pen’s anti-EU National Front ran first in the first round of the 2015 French elections. Many Europeans believe she will make it into the final round of the next presidential election in 2017.

Anti-immigrant, right-wing parties are making strides all across Europe, as the EU is bedeviled by a host of crises.

Europe’s open borders that facilitate free trade also assure freedom of travel to homegrown terrorists.

Mass migration into the EU is causing member nations to put up checkpoints and close borders. The Schengen Agreement on the free movement of goods and people is being ignored or openly violated.

The economic and cultural clash between a rich northern Europe and a less affluent south — Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal — manifest in the bad blood between Athens and Berlin, endures.

Northern Europeans grow weary of repeated bailouts of a south that chafes at constant northern demands for greater austerity.

Then there is the surge of sub-nationalism, as in Scotland, Catalonia, Flanders, and Veneto, where peoples seek to disconnect from distant capitals that no longer speak for them, and reconnect with languages, traditions and cultures that give more meaning to their lives than the economics-uber-alles ideology of Frau Angela Merkel.

Moreover, the migrants entering Europe, predominantly Islamic and Third World, are not assimilating as did the European and largely Christian immigrants to America of a century ago.

The enclaves of Asians in Britain, Africans and Arabs around Paris, and Turks in and around Berlin seem to be British, French and German in name only. And some of their children are now heeding the call to jihad against the Crusaders invading Muslim lands.

The movement toward deeper European integration appears to have halted, and gone into reverse, as the EU seems to be unraveling along ideological, national, tribal and historic lines.

If these trends continue, and they seem to have accelerated in 2015, the idea of a United States of Europe dies, and with it the EU.

And this raises a question about the most successful economic and political union in history - the USA.

How does an increasingly multiracial, multiethnic, multilingual, multicultural United States avoid the fate to which Europe appears to be headed, when there is no identifiable racial or ethnic majority here in 2042?
The USA cannot survive in its current form because an idea is not a nation.

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104 Comments:

Anonymous Quartermaster December 30, 2015 2:37 PM  

The founders would have ridiculed the idea that the US is a "proposition nation." No nation can be built around a proposition.

Blogger Bruce Lewis December 30, 2015 2:39 PM  

A N F!
A N F!

Le moment est venu. Front Nationale d'Amerique.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 30, 2015 2:45 PM  

I agree. Which is why I support calls for "civic nationalism". Racial nationalism doesn't make sense in a country that hasn't been remotely monoracial for nearly 2 centuries, but Teddy Roosevelt's dictum that anyone who wants to be American (paraphrase) "should be prepared to shed his old nationality and fully embrace America" is one I can fully support.

Blogger Bruce Lewis December 30, 2015 2:45 PM  

La "nation" d'América, est las Blancs, Chrétiens, et les parleurs d'l'Anglais.

Blogger Giuseppe The Kurgan December 30, 2015 2:47 PM  

I found out recently that Italy does not recognise Islam as a religion and mosques are not permitted, other than a single one in Rome. I didn't bother to research this very much, but I really hope it is in fact the case.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 30, 2015 2:49 PM  

Pat's take on Cuckservative might be interesting

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 2:53 PM  

Bastiat stated that the political state is nothing but a legal monopoly on crime.

Democratic political structures insure the rise of political factions harboring imperatives to harness the state to rob competitors in favor of members.

A multicultural zoo of political factions thus guarantees that political activity will devolve into mutual robbery and utter self-destruction.

All this is axiomatic, and thus as predictable as night following day.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 30, 2015 2:56 PM  

Teddy Roosevelt's dictum that anyone who wants to be American (paraphrase) "should be prepared to shed his old nationality and fully embrace America" is one I can fully support.

Too late for that. "America" is now perhaps irreversibly becoming a historic relic, like the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Any meaningful, future-oriented notion of an America has to be created via a subtractive, rather than additive, process. In reasonable terms, this means break-ups and population transfers.

-PA

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 2:58 PM  

Appeals to Civic duty and cohesion are just what the rapist tells the young woman he's robbing in the alley when he demands she pull down her pants "so she won't chase him down the street as he escapes."

Blogger Nate December 30, 2015 2:59 PM  

"The USA cannot survive in its current form because an idea is not a nation."

not just that... its not even a particularly good idea.

Anonymous Abatunde Diongobongo December 30, 2015 3:02 PM  

My prediction that European “patriots will recapture control of their national destinies,” looks even more probable today.

This is far too optimistic. There is no evidence, as far as I can see (sadly), that citizens of European nation states are beginning to support/voting for parties inimical to the great replacement.

Prime Minister David Cameron, who almost lost a referendum on Scottish secession, is demanding a return of British sovereignty from the EU sufficient to satisfy his countrymen, who have been promised a vote on whether to abandon the European Union altogether.

Cameron is doing no such thing: he is first and foremost a multi-millionaire and passionate supporter of further European political integration. His so-called 'demands', which have amounted to a few discussions here and there at various meetings of the Council of the EU, have been largely invented in the bovine British press by lazy hacks too ignorant to report the intricacies of EU politics to a supine and ill-informed populace. Any 'demands' form part of the theatrics necessary to generate sufficient interest in the virtually non-existent and largely msm-controlled 'debate' ahead of a promised referendum on something or other.

Anti-immigrant, right-wing parties are making strides all across Europe

Sadly, there has been no great groundswell of popular opinion in the UK sufficient to foster opposition to autochthonous British minority status in a host of major cities and I see no popular opposition forming any time soon. Indifference is the order of the day. Britons are already a minority if my daily observations across England are accurate.

The movement toward deeper European integration appears to have halted, and gone into reverse, as the EU seems to be unraveling along ideological, national, tribal and historic lines.

This is also wishful thinking: European integration continues apace whilst a largely ignorant populace is either unwilling, unable or does not possess the necessary critical faculties to argue for nation states (aside from the fact that, apart from the UK, the nation state is a modern invention for much of Europe) and road to technocratic serfdom. The EU will never cease as long as politicians across the EU continue to remain largely unaccountable (there are no true democracies).

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 30, 2015 3:02 PM  

@8

I'm sure there were people in 1903 who thought it was too late. But I think you would think it wasn't.

I don't pretend to know exactly how one would go about bringing back his dictum, but I don't think its too late.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 3:04 PM  

People of Northern European ancestry built the vast majority of today's real wealth.

Small wonder that those whose ancestors were content to exist in prehistoric societies spend so much effort to con YT into pulling the cart in which they now ride.

Put YT on his own in the most inhospitable place on Earth and in two generations that place would be a garden and the rest of the world would be moving from Detroit toward Somalia.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 3:06 PM  

"The USA cannot survive in its current form because an idea is not a nation."

not just that... its not even a particularly good idea.


If the United States is not an idea (a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law), then what is it, exactly?

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 3:08 PM  

@Abatunde
My assumption is that the real change will come once the Greatest Credit Bubble Ever has truly & irreversibly burst.

People will band together and go to war hill-by-hill and valley-by-valley if their political state won't do it.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 30, 2015 3:11 PM  

then what is it, exactly?

A wealth-extraction project fueled by the cheap labor of dislocated peasants.

There have been moments in time and pockets of space in which America was more than just that, but those have all been, irreversibly in America's present form, overwhelmed.

-PA

Blogger James Dixon December 30, 2015 3:14 PM  

> I don't pretend to know exactly how one would go about bringing back his dictum, but I don't think its too late.

The most obvious and common (but I repeat myself) way involves lots and lots of bloodshed.

Blogger Salt December 30, 2015 3:15 PM  

If the United States is not an idea (a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law), then what is it, exactly?

A store, where everything is for sale to the highest bidder.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 30, 2015 3:17 PM  

"And this raises a question about the most successful economic and political union in history - the USA."

This is truly funny. For a man who purports to know something of history, this is hilarious.

The USA is barely over 200. Sure it has become very wealthy and very powerful, but the decline of that wealth and power is already apparent.

Let's hook up again in 500 years, Pat, and see what's what, eh?

Blogger Anonymous Robot December 30, 2015 3:28 PM  

Speaking of immigrants, who would have though Muslims would set fire to a mosque?

Anonymous 185 December 30, 2015 3:42 PM  

It took me a long time to get it, but I'm now fully on board.

Thanks to VD and others for setting me straight.

The USA is done.

Blogger VD December 30, 2015 3:43 PM  

If the United States is not an idea (a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law), then what is it, exactly?

A multinational empire.

Anonymous WillBest December 30, 2015 3:44 PM  

@19 I suppose it depends on what your metric is. In terms of extent of influence, and control of resources it is #1. If you want to talk about length of reign however, its not close.

Blogger kmbr December 30, 2015 3:49 PM  

Always loved me some PJB, even when a wee lass.

@5
But Italy is allowing Africans what seems like en masse.

Islam is more like a relatively quick acting poison. Not long after you take it, you realize what you've done. Africans more like a slow growing, festering cancer that they tell you just needs to be watched and monitored as it slowly mutates other healthy cells.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 3:55 PM  

@16 PA -

then what is it, exactly?

A wealth-extraction project fueled by the cheap labor of dislocated peasants.

There have been moments in time and pockets of space in which America was more than just that, but those have all been, irreversibly in America's present form, overwhelmed.


If the United States had been intended to have been a wealth-extraction project, it would have instituted taxes on income far earlier than it had. And currently, immigrants would not be eligible for as many social programs as they are currently.

@18 Salt -

A store, where everything is for sale to the highest bidder.

This is the truth on the ground, I'm afraid, but not aspirational truth, or I think, the truth as the Founders would have understood it to be.

I think I'm against Vox on this one. The United States was a nation of immigrants, and this was true even before its founding. From Germans in Pennsylvania and French in Louisiana to Dutch in Manhattan, we were never just a nation of Englishmen and Scotch (and Indians). The Dirt was magical - peasants could come and start fresh, and that's what so many did. The Dirt has become progressively less magical as our freedoms have eroded, and the enterprising immigrant of yesteryear may have been supplanted by various hangers-on in Ted Kennedy's immigration reform. But as our nation has never been a land based on blood, it must therefore be one based on an idea, and alas, the idea is (was) Magic Dirt.

Anonymous karsten December 30, 2015 3:55 PM  

Hilarious. The following is precisely the kind of proposition-nation propaganda that got us into this mess in the first place. There is no such thing as "civic nationalism" without "racial nationalism." "Civic nationalism" is merely a superficial veneer on a surface of racial nationalism. A nation is and can only be racial. Change the race, and you change the nation.

"I agree. Which is why I support calls for "civic nationalism". Racial nationalism doesn't make sense in a country that hasn't been remotely monoracial for nearly 2 centuries, but Teddy Roosevelt's dictum that anyone who wants to be American (paraphrase) "should be prepared to shed his old nationality and fully embrace America" is one I can fully support."

This is rich. One sees comments like this all the time at the ultra-cucked American Conservative: a commenter will begin with "I agree," then state an opinion the exact opposite of what they claim to agree with.

The U.S. is already mono-national; it's a country (or, if one prefers, an empire) in which multiple nations are forced together into a political entity due to the existence of the U.S. Army.

Teddy's phrase is nonsense. Black America is one thing; White America is something completely different; Jewish America something else still. And so forth.

Blogger Quadko December 30, 2015 3:56 PM  

I've come to the new (to me) conclusion that multicultural Americans really are just one-world government types with America as the dominant nation because simply because it's the one they're familiar with. American leftist imperialists.

And this is also the death knell to any "innocent" UN rooted one world peaceful government theorists, if such a person still existed. (I still can't get Tom Kratman's Carrera series view of the future of the UN and Amnesty International out of my head, bully for him!)

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 3:57 PM  

@22 Vox -

If the United States is not an idea (a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law), then what is it, exactly?

A multinational empire.


I think that's true today. My contention is, I think, that it's not irreversible.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 30, 2015 4:01 PM  

Initially, there were 13 nation-states in a Confederation. Then, they went batshit crazy and threw it all away for economic profit, for some, and it went into empire building. A little over 200 years old empire is barely pre-pubecent, in historical time scales.

Blogger James Dixon December 30, 2015 4:01 PM  

> My contention is, I think, that it's not irreversible.

It's not even sustainable, much less irreversible. But it can't survive the reversal in it's current form.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 30, 2015 4:03 PM  

Gapeseed: even the most hopeful and idealistic attitude of America being "a nation of immigrants" hits against the rocks of reality once the stream of immigrants becomes non-European.

Unless you are ok, as a White man, in having brown grandchildren.

PA

Blogger VD December 30, 2015 4:04 PM  

I think I'm against Vox on this one. The United States was a nation of immigrants, and this was true even before its founding.

No, it was a nation of English conquerors. The other "immigrants" lived according to the English rules, for the most part, because they were outnumbered.

You can't simply call killing millions of American Indians and forcibly stealing their land "immigration". It was conquest.

Anonymous dt December 30, 2015 4:06 PM  

Susan Sarandon visits Lesbos

Blogger VD December 30, 2015 4:06 PM  

Which is why I support calls for "civic nationalism".

That makes no sense. You might as well say you support calls for "civic racialism". Get it through your head: there is no "America" anymore. It doesn't exist any more than "equality" or "unicorns" do.

Blogger Randy M December 30, 2015 4:07 PM  

"I think I'm against Vox on this one. The United States was a nation of immigrants, and this was true even before its founding. ...The Dirt was magical "

The only kind of magical dirt is unclaimed dirt. When there is plenty of space to expand without bumping elbows, you can have all kinds under the same political rule, especially when there isn't the technology for it to readily enforce its sovereignty. Now we're all filled up, and we have to be ruled according to the lowest common denominator on the planet, we'll test some of those founding myths to the breaking point.

Anonymous 185 December 30, 2015 4:07 PM  

Pat Buchanan for President.

Blogger James Dixon December 30, 2015 4:10 PM  

> Pat Buchanan for President.

It's been a while, but from memory he got my vote.

Anonymous 185 December 30, 2015 4:17 PM  

Well done, JD. PB was just ahead of his time.

But Trump will do now.

BTW, did you see the necklace that Trump's spokesperson was wearing yesterday?

Blogger Matamoros December 30, 2015 4:20 PM  

@26 Teddy's phrase is nonsense. Black America is one thing; White America is something completely different; Jewish America something else still. And so forth.

America was European, Brit/Scots-Irish/German. That was/is the only true America. The other races (black, jewish, mexican) were here on sufferance and good behavior.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 4:22 PM  

@31 PA -

Gapeseed: even the most hopeful and idealistic attitude of America being "a nation of immigrants" hits against the rocks of reality once the stream of immigrants becomes non-European.

Unless you are ok, as a White man, in having brown grandchildren.


As a SWM, my only aversion to having brown grandchildren (as you put it) is that they may be less committed to the ideals of the Founders.

@32 Vox -

No, it was a nation of English conquerors. The other "immigrants" lived according to the English rules, for the most part, because they were outnumbered.

You can't simply call killing millions of American Indians and forcibly stealing their land "immigration". It was conquest.


There was some element of conquest for sure, and in a flattened timeline, this point is apparent. But in line with Randy M's point @35, there was a lot of empty space to be settled as well. And if the Founders were simply English conquistadors, they could have easily written the Constitution in a way that curtailed immigration to more easily cement their conquest.

For better or for worse, my politics are probably best termed as Constitutional, or to those who would be critics, American Sentimentalism.

Blogger RobertT December 30, 2015 4:32 PM  

Judging by the number of comments today, this must be a travel day.

Blogger James Dixon December 30, 2015 4:32 PM  

> BTW, did you see the necklace that Trump's spokesperson was wearing yesterday?

No, but I love it. I bet my wife would love one.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 30, 2015 4:38 PM  

Gapeseed,

Sentimentalism can be a weakness.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 4:42 PM  

@43 Stf58/AM -

Gapeseed,

Sentimentalism can be a weakness.


I know.

Anonymous 185 December 30, 2015 4:44 PM  

I bet my wife would love one.

I bet Nate's wife would love one, too.

Blogger Nick S December 30, 2015 4:50 PM  

A little OT:

I initially thought it could never work, but I've been considering this direct democracy idea a little more closely and it dawned on me that a blockchain system coupled with multi-pronged biometric verification (fingerprint/retina scan) would be impossible to cheat or rig.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 30, 2015 5:00 PM  

@23

My metric is not power but contributions to civilisation.

The USA has the greatest founding political document of which I am aware, the Constitution*, on the plus side of the ledger.

So far, that's it.

(* including the pre-amble)

OpenID paworldandtimes December 30, 2015 5:10 PM  

Gapeseed is pinging my troll radar. Oddly polite and eager to answer every comment. His "(as you put it)" was wierd.

Anonymous YIH December 30, 2015 5:18 PM  

The other day someone mentioned the mosque arson in Huston. When I saw that I said it was a 'hey rabbi'. Nailed it.

Blogger Unknown December 30, 2015 5:19 PM  

@Gapeseed,
The US is a polity set up by anti-monarchical Englishmen to protect their traditional rights (the Rights of Englishmen) for themselves and their posterity.
It was not set up to propagate the freedoms of the constitution. It was not set up for the benefit of strangers and aliens. It was not set up for some inferred proposition, which I am willing to bet you could not explicitly state. It was set up to guarantee the blessings of liberty for the Founders, their fellow Americans, and their posterity as they explicitly said.

Any other assertion is tendentious nonsense.

Blogger Salt December 30, 2015 5:23 PM  

This article at Lew Rockwell is interesting, in light of the conversation here.

"This is all fine and good, but in my humble opinion, American history – including the history as so brilliantly told by Brion McClanahan – amply proves that any and all constitutional limitations on governmental power will always be easily and cleverly evaded by our ruling class of master politicians, once defined with perfect precision by Murray Rothbard as masterful liars, connivers, and manipulators."

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 5:34 PM  

@Gapeseed, I think your attribution to the "founders" (as though they were some unified monolith) suggests you embrace too much of the civics class mythology used to inculcate a belief in American Exceptionalism.

Blogger SciVo December 30, 2015 5:34 PM  

Just finished Cuckservative yesterday. Very educational, and I did not see anything to disagree with, despite taking my time. I suppose that means I should read it again, and look harder.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 5:35 PM  

@Quadko, so much for Star Trek.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 30, 2015 5:37 PM  

Conquest...courtesy of smallpox & gunpowder.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 30, 2015 5:37 PM  

@34

That makes no sense. You might as well say you support calls for "civic racialism". Get it through your head: there is no "America" anymore. It doesn't exist any more than "equality" or "unicorns" do.

My only question is: what'll happen to Filipino-American people in this balkanized, dystopian future. I ask, because obviously the wife is Filipino, and so the kids are both.

I think that the one thing that would save the people on this continent is Catholic Monarchy. Only the universal redeeming power of Christ can transcend the racial differences between people. Such a thing would be the everlasting glue that could hold folks together.

But I don't wear rose-tinted glasses. Americans have a built-in Freemasonic hatred for the Church and monarchy. I'm guessing it'll be Book of Eli.

...Thinking on it further, Hispanics hate blacks but prefer whites. Perhaps there'll be partnerships between the two peoples in many places. I've heard that down south, they tend to elevate fair-skinned folks. I know that's the case in the Philippines.

But I think that blacks will have a hard time if whites allow their testicles to descend.

Anonymous The SPY December 30, 2015 6:17 PM  

"If the United States is not an idea (a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law), then what is it, exactly?"

The habitation of every foul bird and evil spirit.

Blogger takirks December 30, 2015 6:28 PM  

"You can't simply call killing millions of American Indians and forcibly stealing their land "immigration". It was conquest."

To be blunt, that's so much error I can't even even.

You review the interaction of the locals and the Europeans going back to the earliest times we've been able to prove, and the facts are pretty clear: What did in the natives wasn't a bunch of bastard Englishmen or Spaniards swinging swords, it was disease. And, barring the discovery that some bright light in the European world figured out a working theory of disease, and then kept it secret to exploit the Americas, the idea that they somehow deliberately exposed the native Americans to the vast range of European disease as a deliberate act of conquest is, in a word, ludicrous.

Without things like the flu, smallpox, measles, and everything else they brought with them, the history of North and Central America would look a lot like what happened with the Norse when they came here: Failure. Sure, they would have established a couple of Hong Kong-like trading outposts, and probably done well at that, but the establishment of real footholds, and the death of millions? That wasn't happening. Ever. Without disease clearing the fields, North America would still be in the hands of the people that were living here before Columbus, and probably the entire history from 1500 on would be unrecognizable.

The Euros want people to believe they won the Americas with the sword; that's bullshit, pure and simple. Cortez would have been a grease spot on a causeway leading to Tenochtitlan, were it not for the pandemic that wiped out the majority of his opponents (and, local helpers) during the second act of the Conquista. Same thing with Pizarro--Absent the various pandemics that swept through the Incan highlands, his conquest would have gone down as a sad joke. As it was, he was able to win against what was a mere fraction of the Incan Empire.

Europeans: Lucky bastard's whose piss-poor hygiene and utter lack of public sanitation won them a set of continents, or all-conquering military geniuses that swept all before them into the shadows of history? The true story is that they got lucky, in that the average American of that era had zero exposure to the diseases of "civilization", and immune systems tuned to deal with parasites rather than diseases. If it were otherwise, you could make the assertion it was "conquest". It really, really wasn't--It was more a case of moving in on the abandoned property that used to belong to the neighbors who died in the Black Plague, but on a much larger scale.

Had they had a clue what they were doing, yes, by all means, call it genocide and/or conquest. They didn't, and without the diseases doing the work for them, the locals would have made short work of them wherever they tried landing on the mainland.

Anonymous WillBest December 30, 2015 6:46 PM  

There hasn't been a pope in my lifetime I would want my benign dictator taking guidance from.

As for what mixed families end up doing, you could always head back to the Philippines. But in all likelihood, one of the several countries formed from the ashes of the former US will at least tolerate well behaved diverse elements in small quantities, and Asians will probably be a substantial minority or outright majority of one of them.

Blogger SciVo December 30, 2015 6:47 PM  

Takirks, have you read Cuckservative? One of the points, well-supported by evidence, is that mass migration is conquest.

You can tell it wasn't "immigration" since they had to conform to our customs, and not the other way around.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 30, 2015 6:54 PM  

Gapeseed,

Sentimentalism can be a weakness.

Blogger Bruce Lewis December 30, 2015 7:06 PM  

La "nation" d'América, est las Blancs, Chrétiens, et les parleurs d'l'Anglais.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 30, 2015 7:37 PM  

"The USA cannot survive in its current form because an idea is not a nation."

Most ideas are not nations. But every nation is an idea.

As I've said before, if genes determined culture - even if genes were the predominant influence - there would be no Gentile Christians, Turkish Muslims or Japanese Buddhists; religious conversions would be just as futile as you lot think ethnic assimilation is.

And to answer Buchanan's question, the US has a chance to avoid the EU's fate of dissolution because in the US loyalty to the Constitution and the principles of the Declaration of Independence is still an important political force. Nobody in the EU feels any loyalty to the Schengen Agreement. The network of treaties that created the EU bureaucracy command obedience only out of cold pragmatism; they bind the states of Europe, but not the peoples.

Think about the fact that Donald Trump is running for a federal office on a populist platform, and that it's possible for him to win. No one like him could exist in the EU; no one in the EU imagines that the EU speaks for them, or that it's even supposed to. Without a broad belief that the US government should speak for US citizens Trump's campaign would be totally impotent.

Anonymous Quartermaster December 30, 2015 7:38 PM  

@56
" Americans have a built-in Freemasonic hatred for the Church and monarchy."

This is utter bunk. The protestant reformation was massively influential in the founding of the US. So much so that John Calvin is sometimes referred to as one of the founders. The antipathy towards the Roman Catholic Church originated in Geneva and Wittenburg.

In some areas of the country your kids might have a problem. In general, i doubt they will have much to worry about from whites.

Blogger SciVo December 30, 2015 7:55 PM  

Michael, I reject your conflation of faith and culture. In fact, I find it offensive to my faith.

Anonymous D Meister December 30, 2015 8:17 PM  

"Every nation is an idea." False. No need to read further.

Blogger weka December 30, 2015 8:33 PM  

Gunpowder, cold steel, and female fertility.

And accepting the children of early pioneer mixed marriages would become English. Ponchahitas became Mrs Smith and her children part of the colony.

Same as in Mew Zealand and Canada: Australia killed more indigenes.

Blogger Frank Brady December 30, 2015 8:43 PM  

Exactly!

Anonymous WillBest December 30, 2015 9:00 PM  

She actually married a man named John Rolfe, and bore him a son. She died at the age of 22 probably from contracting smallpox during her trip to England. But then supposedly her blood is still floating around the country today, so that ended up being a genetically successful mating for her.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 9:24 PM  

@48 PA -

Gapeseed is pinging my troll radar. Oddly polite and eager to answer every comment. His "(as you put it)" was weird.

I am a bit OCD (when I am at my computer) and was previously engaged to a darker-skinned beauty. I am sentimental there, too.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man December 30, 2015 9:37 PM  

"but Teddy Roosevelt's dictum that anyone who wants to be American (paraphrase) "should be prepared to shed his old nationality and fully embrace America" is one I can fully support."

Which has been observably the case since our inception.

"La "nation" d'América, est las Blancs, Chrétiens, et les parleurs d'l'Anglais"

The nation of America, created by whites, blacks, Jews, Asians, and Hispanics.

"Any meaningful, future-oriented notion of an America has to be created via a subtractive, rather than additive, process. In reasonable terms, this means break-ups and population transfers."

Which is a pipe dream given our country's current status of white males, content with chasing skirts, or going MGTOW, or getting married/having children, or focusing on a career, or doing whatever they want. In other words, they are generally content, despite the hype made by the "Coalition Of The Fringes".

Anonymous Hoss December 30, 2015 9:39 PM  

Conquest(s) without a single bullet being fired.

I remember when Buchanan was being written off as a crank, xenophobe, etc. And all you could ask was why it was so hard to make sense of what he was saying; history is chock full of the opiated masses acting like rabbits and not waking up until it's too late. He definitely had me in his corner when he was running.

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 9:53 PM  

@ 50 Unknown -

@Gapeseed,
The US is a polity set up by anti-monarchical Englishmen to protect their traditional rights (the Rights of Englishmen) for themselves and their posterity.
It was not set up to propagate the freedoms of the constitution. It was not set up for the benefit of strangers and aliens. It was not set up for some inferred proposition, which I am willing to bet you could not explicitly state. It was set up to guarantee the blessings of liberty for the Founders, their fellow Americans, and their posterity as they explicitly said.

Any other assertion is tendentious nonsense.


Funny, I don't see the "Rights of Englishmen" in either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Congress was granted the power of Naturalization, which was not limited to Englishmen.

If anyone is dealing with inference and tendencious nonsense, it is you.

Blogger Unknown December 30, 2015 10:28 PM  

Funny, I don't see the "Rights of Englishmen" in either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

Please tell me you're not that stupid.

Nor is the word Trinity in the bible.

What are the traditional Rights of Englishmen?
The right to due legal process, including trial by jury, before a disinterested judge, the ability to face one's accusers and call witnesses, etc.

Security in one's home and business, freedom from unlawful searches, usurpation of property without recompense, etc.

The right to bear arms in defense of home and nation.

The right to protest the actions of the government or an official.

The right to representation in the taxing and spending arm of government.

The Founders added two more rights, freedom of religion and freedom of speech, which they regarded as just as important as the traditional ones above.

Notice anything about those rights?

Blogger Gapeseed December 30, 2015 10:53 PM  

@73 - Unknown

I am not denying the concept of the Rights of Englishmen, but if the Founders wanted to restrict either Naturalization rights or the Rights of Englishmen generally to only Englishmen, they would have done so. Notwithstanding your nonsensical Trinity red herring, it is clear in light of the plain text of both the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence that they did not.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 30, 2015 11:00 PM  

@64: Do you? Tell me why.

@73: The argument in the Declaration of Independence states that the rights of Englishmen are not only English, but given to all men everywhere by God Himself. And this statement is necessary to the argument, because the whole point of the Declaration was to show why the colonies were separating from the British Crown; that is, ceasing to be English at all. It would be incoherent to appeal to nothing but English law while declaring oneself to be no longer English.

Blogger David-093 December 30, 2015 11:13 PM  

@56

"I think that the one thing that would save the people on this continent is Catholic Monarchy."

You could not have written a more unself-aware comment if you tried. America is not, and never will be, a Catholic monarchy, and the insistence by Catholics and monarchists that it should be proves right the reality that later waves of Europeans never truly assimilated.

Blogger Unknown December 30, 2015 11:29 PM  

...if the Founders wanted to restrict either Naturalization rights or the Rights of Englishmen generally to only Englishmen...
Was never the assertion.

The US is a polity set up by anti-monarchical Englishmen to protect their traditional rights (the Rights of Englishmen) for themselves and their posterity.
Neither implies nor requires restriction.

Try reading for comprehension rather than offense this time.

Blogger Unknown December 30, 2015 11:46 PM  

Lets go through this:
Gapeseed: The US is a Proposition nation
ILK: That's nonsense. There's no such thing
Gapeseed: That's what I was taught! What is it if it's not a proposition nation? What else could the founders have intended?
Me: To secure for their descendants the rights and freedoms that they we due according to their culture and history, as they said in the founding documents
Gapeseed: So where is it restricted to Englishmen?
Me: WTF?

The idea that a nation could be a proposition is ludicrous. This nation, like every nation, is a particular group of people, with a particular shared history, and a particular shared, or at least overlapping and complimentary culture.

Thanks to 50 years of Social Justice Wankery, we have been divided into competing groups of people, with a mutually antagonistic history and wildly divergent cultures.
Rednecks and Yankees and Urban Blacks and Suburban Whites and Leftists have less in common than Walloons and Flems. Perhaps more disturbingly, less than Austrians and Serbs, or Romans and Lombards. The idea of a "Proposition Nation" was invented as yet another blatant attempt to justify the destruction and Balkanization of our nation.

Blogger Gapeseed December 31, 2015 12:18 AM  

@77, @78 Unknown -

for themselves and their posterity.

Let's go back to your post @50 -

It was not set up to propagate the freedoms of the constitution. It was not set up for the benefit of strangers and aliens. It was not set up for some inferred proposition, which I am willing to bet you could not explicitly state. It was set up to guarantee the blessings of liberty for the Founders, their fellow Americans, and their posterity as they explicitly said.

Notwithstanding your breathless litany, by the plain meaning of the text of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, the United States was set up to "propagate the freedoms of the constitution" to Naturalized men as established by Congress (including, potentially, "strangers and aliens"). You may speculate and infer all you want about the motives of the Founders, but in light of the Declaration of Independence (as cited by Michael @75), any restriction of rights to solely "Englishmen and their posterity" would need be explicit. It was not.

So why is this point important? You blithely write off the Declaration of Independence and Constitution plain textual meaning, which founded the nation on the propositions of freedom and natural rights. I'll even be a sport and call it the Rights of Englishmen. We can agree that these natural rights were initially and essentially only granted to white men, but the text of the Founding Documents make clear that the United States had no initial restrictions on what defined posterity. And that posterity grew.

Now, you and I might agree that things may have gotten out of hand in regarding immigration and social balkanization (going back more than fifty years), and it may be that we are due for a breakup, collapse or even civil war. None of that obscures what the United States once was, and that is, a proposition nation.

And, if by the text of the Founders, you can show me language contradicting my understanding, I would be happy to reconsider my perspective. Good night.

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 12:23 AM  

Michael, Christianity quickly spread from Jews to Gentiles without us becoming culturally Jews -- and we're also explicitly exempt from Old Testament law -- because the Good News is not dependant on culture.

We are all relieved to learn it, that God's son already paid our bar tab of sin, if we accept that we had one and show due respect. To deny the difference between faith and culture is to deny Christ.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 12:24 AM  

@78: Are you familiar with G. K. Chesterton? Consider that this was written in 1922:

http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~mward/gkc/books/27250-h.htm#What_is_America

"It may have seemed something less than a compliment to compare the American Constitution to the Spanish Inquisition. But oddly enough, it does involve a truth; and still more oddly perhaps, it does involve a compliment. The American Constitution does resemble the Spanish Inquisition in this: that it is founded on a creed. America is the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just."

The idea that the US is a "proposition nation" most certainly was not invented as subversive propaganda by its enemies - quite the contrary. Its enemies have in fact invariably opposed the propositions in question, declaring them to be no more than the peculiar beliefs of one people, and invalid for anyone else.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 31, 2015 12:25 AM  

Gapessed may be a troll but his "what is it" deserves an answer.

The US started as grift , a kind of long con combination of tax dodge and effort to avoid paying the actual cost to maintain the English civilization wrapped in up enlightenment bunkum and hooey.

The current US is an imperial oligarchy and as our host noted a multi national empire.

How long it has nobody knows, a few years to decades maybe. Could be a few weeks if say Obama does gun confiscation by executive order, something I doubt will happen but one never knows.

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 12:31 AM  

Michael, the argument is that the further you get from Englishmen genetically, the less they have any innate understanding (or even capacity to grasp the concept) of innate God-given rights that upon being infringed, renders the government and its agents automatically illegitimate and fair prey.

Not that only Anglos have such rights, but that only Anglos defend them, and we will lose them if we let non-Anglos in.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 31, 2015 12:50 AM  

@58 takirks, Interesting account. I like it. May I reprint it elsewhere, if I get the time?

@59 Willbest: There hasn't been a pope in my lifetime I would want my benign dictator taking guidance from.

Interesting response.

Are you a man after my own heart, who, like me, recognized the corruption of the Church since Vatican II, and you recognize the Freemasonic infiltration of the hierarchy--that it has been hijacked in order to prop up a globalist entity, being Catholic in name only? Or, do you just despise the papacy?

As for what mixed families end up doing, you could always head back to the Philippines. But in all likelihood, one of the several countries formed from the ashes of the former US will at least tolerate well behaved diverse elements in small quantities, and Asians will probably be a substantial minority or outright majority of one of them.

True. For now, the Philippines looks like an option. Although, I think of my children, not myself. I could hack it just fine. And the kids would have a sort of higher status there, since they'd be fair-skinned Filipinos.

However, I do not see great things happening to that nation. It's already being overcome by corrupt imported values. If they lose their self-respect, then they will have nothing at all. And that's no future. America is still an okay place to live. If anything, I'd rather have my tribe relocate to the European theater.

But I am hopeful that a diverse region will continue to exist in this "country," whatever balkanization might occur.

However, I must say this: what with White Guilt, Cuckservatism, and emasculated Western men...I don't think that any Caucasians will have any kind of an active role in the balkanizing. I can see things trending easily the way of South African whites.

@76 David-093:

You could not have written a more unself-aware comment if you tried. America is not, and never will be, a Catholic monarchy, and the insistence by Catholics and monarchists that it should be proves right the reality that later waves of Europeans never truly assimilated.

Just because I said Catholic Monarchy would save this land doesn't mean I think it will happen. You must have skipped over the part where I mentioned how this is a Freemasonic waste, filled with people who hate the Church and the very thought of a king. No, the people of this land would rather eat themselves alive than submit to that idea. And yet, little children continue to pretend they're kings, queens, and knights. It's almost as if it's...ingrained, somehow.

Current circles of interest in the concept of monarchy have actually been manifesting among people who have been looking back at history. An old idea is re-sprouting. Your suggestion that "monarchy love" came over with later waves of Europeans is misguided.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 12:59 AM  

@80: I take it you missed the last time I explained this point. The reason why Christianity could not have spread to Gentiles if culture is genetic (as is often claimed here) is that its creed, coming (as it certainly does) from the Jewish tradition, would be automatically rejected as foreign by anyone not of that tradition. You would have to suppose that every Gentile convert was the subject of a direct miracle, to explain how the Christians converted the Roman Empire.

Worse, you would also have to suppose that everyone who converted to Islam and was not an Arab was also the subject of a direct miracle - which would mean God supports two incompatible creeds with miracles! Surely that denies Christ more radically than saying creeds come from cultures does.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 1:40 AM  

@82: Yes, I am aware of that argument. I reply as follows: it is true that, the further any person is from the culture of the British Isles, the less likely they are to have learned and believed the concept of God-given rights etc. But because culture is not genetic, whether someone has genes from the British Isles is irrelevant and immaterial. Indeed, it wouldn't be at all hard to name a lot of people whose ancestry is impeccably English and who implacably attack every one of the traditional rights of Englishmen ... a random sampling of the British civil service, for instance, would suffice.

In passing, if it's the concept of God-given rights etc. that you want to defend, not some vague notion of Anglo solidarity, claiming that only the English care about rights means rejecting all those people who are not of English descent but do believe the concept and want to defend it. It's poor strategy to handicap yourself that way.

Blogger Sherwood family December 31, 2015 2:44 AM  

America is an idea propagated by a nation. The idea was at times actually understood by other who were not of English descent and some did actually buy into it heart and soul. However, and this is the point, for every one who came in who accepted the concepts wholeheartedly, there were others who did the same thing that Californians did to Arizona and Colorado: they wanted to change things...just a little...so they could be a little bit more like 'home'. But, as our evolutionary biologist friends will tell you, if you keep tweaking little things here and there...over time you get something else...in some cases a whole different species of something else. The ideological DNA of the United States mutated because little bits kept being changed. Now, you can make the argument, that it would have happened anyway...see the United Kingdom and France. Much of their ideological DNA shifted and shifted radically because of exposure to the blend of ideas contained in the U.S. Constitution. So even foreign ideologies can have a carcinogenic effect on the body politic. But that effect is made worse and the change takes place much more rapidly when you bring in the foreigners who propagated these ideas in the first place. See the Frankfurt School, see the Labor Movement, see Socialism/Marxism/Communism. These are foreign ideas propagated by foreigners which found fertile ground in the minds of people, in many cases, who shared an ethnic/national link to them. It's why the views on Labor in Minnesota are different then those in Tennessee. It is why Pittsburgh is different from Charleston, WV.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 31, 2015 3:09 AM  

@25 "But as our nation has never been a land based on blood, it must therefore be one based on an idea, and alas, the idea is (was) Magic Dirt."

No, the idea is clearly spelled out in the Declaration:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Even if you're in the camp that considers the Declaration propaganda, it must be admitted that even propaganda has an idea behind it (the goal) and often uses other ideas to piggy-back on (e.g. a sense of patriotism). -- And the ideas that are espoused by the Declaration, and the Constitution, are as @14 stated "a Constitutional Republic based on free markets and rule of law". (Remember that MUCH of the vast overreach of the federal government is a direct consequence of the absurd ideas pushed in Wickard that so twist the interstate commerce clause.)

Anonymous Shut up rabbit December 31, 2015 3:21 AM  

@4 "...et les parleurs d'l'Anglais... on dit "les anglophones"

Anonymous Shut up rabbit December 31, 2015 3:41 AM  

smallpox
Ah, those cunning Americans using deliberately using biological warfare over a hundred years before the theory of germs had been elucidated. Very clever.

Blogger Unknown Resident December 31, 2015 6:49 AM  

If there is ever an uprising in our fair nation,it will probably come from a Hispanic-Catholic majority vs. Islamists.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 31, 2015 8:28 AM  

A nation is people, no more, and no less. Propositions should be made to women and not used for the formation of laws or countries. The All men are created equal canard the lunatic fringe keeps misquoting and taking out of context was snark directed at the blue-blooded King and Noblemen of England to tell them the colonists did not recognize their Divine Right to rule. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH NIGGERS or other brown people who would NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BE CITIZENS.
America will either be White or Nothing. No one but Whites believe in freedom or liberty irregardless of those buffoons who love babboons and IKAGO Bullshit tirades notwithstanding.
America has all the drawbacks of an Empire without any of the benefits. Parasitivism has caused this. These leeches need to be burned off. Perhaps we will have an empire, but those non-Whites are NOT LIVING IN THE REPUBLIC AS CITIZENS.

Anonymous John Trumaine December 31, 2015 10:01 AM  

Joshua, how many times has your wife cuckholded you with a black man? I'm guessing frequently.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 31, 2015 11:25 AM  

Oh, John. I'm not small like you. Those muhdick comments make me laugh. I'm Italian, and we're the best in the world. Go back to the jungle little monkey.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 11:28 AM  

There is no evidence, as far as I can see (sadly), that citizens of European nation states are beginning to support/voting for parties inimical to the great replacement

It will not be televised on Carlos Slim and 5 jew's owned media.

bovine British press by lazy hacks too ignorant to report the intricacies of EU politics to a supine and ill-informed populace

Puffs marched along side skinheads protesting the beheading of soldier Lee Rigby in broad daylight London

Always loved me some PJB, even when a wee lass.@5But Italy is allowing Africans what seems like en masse

Native Americans invented peanut butter, the Inca made it long before whitey showed up, I have even see blacks try to take credit for the light bulb and the stoplight, while in reality the first stop light (gaslight not electric)was in London before cars got invented.

Unless you are ok, as a White man, in havingSTUPID brown grandchildren.

prehistoric societies spend so much effort to con YT into pulling the cart in which they now ride

It is YT's grandchildren that are the ones that will be forced to pay the bill YT is being conned into.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 11:53 AM  

"I think I'm against Vox on this one. The United States was a nation of immigrants, and this was true even before its founding. ...The Dirt was magical "

It only seemed majikal because the stories of those that succeeded are more documented than those who starved to death. You will never see a show on Bravo about the homeless trannies of San Fran, but they sell the majik dirt theory of SF being a majikal place.

Naturalization rights or the Rights of Englishmen generally to only Englishmen, they would have done so

Idiots couldn't come to the US at taxpayer expense to get section 8 housing and welfare as they can today. People had to succeed which was not a right, the rights of Englishman only work with a population with an IQ average above 90.

cunning Americans using deliberately using biological warfare over a hundred years before the theory of germs had been elucidated

Even Idiot Bastard Ganges Khan was smart enough to toss bodies of dead plague victims in catapults.

Blogger Dewave December 31, 2015 12:03 PM  

Takings account is wrong and even if other was correct, would still be killing millions and not peaceful immigration. The wars between the Europeans and their native allies against the great South American native empires involved a lot of bloodshed. Wars were also fought in North America (King Phillips War)

Blogger Dewave December 31, 2015 12:03 PM  

Takings account is wrong and even if other was correct, would still be killing millions and not peaceful immigration. The wars between the Europeans and their native allies against the great South American native empires involved a lot of bloodshed. Wars were also fought in North America (King Phillips War)

Blogger Chent December 31, 2015 1:13 PM  

Gapeseed is right. The Founders wanted USA to be a non-racial, non-cultural, non-religious nation under the ideals of Freemasonry (liberty, equality and other beautiful lies).

This only proves that the Founders were fanatics of the religion of the Enlightenment an his fanaticism get them to disregard the basic facts of reality and human nature.

As an European, I don't have the almost-religious reverence American people had for the Founders, since I have not been drilled in school that they were these wisdom figures that are only in your imagination.

The political system established by the Founders was a disaster and worked very well because of the Christian Northern European people that lived in USA. With such a people, even awful political systems work well.

Now that USA is not Christian and not European, you are going to see how wrong the Founders were.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 31, 2015 3:13 PM  

The founders wanted America to be as White as they were. This BS about multiracialism never existed anywhere. Its a lie made up to justify flooding Western Civilization with bipedal trash and pollution. These inferior creatures cannot maintain much less build a civilization. When I hear blacks jabbering about building the Great Pyramid it always makes me laugh. They can't even build a dam like a beaver does. A hut made of straw, mud and feces is the pinnacle of their "civilization".

Anonymous Rhetoric Man December 31, 2015 3:18 PM  

The founders wanted America to be diverse as they were, especially since a number of them had coitus with slaves and Native Americans. Furthermore, Africans have repeatedly met the criteria of civilization.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 7:21 PM  

Hm. My last few replies yesterday seem to have vanished. A software glitch, no doubt.

@80: You must agree that the fundamental creed of the Christian faith, the Incarnation, was not an idea anyone living in the Roman Empire (other than the Jews) would have conceived of. If cultures were genetic, it would follow that no one living in the Roman Empire would have been able to understand the idea, unless they were Jewish. Thus Gentile Christians would be impossible - at least by natural methods. As Gentile Christians did and do exist, cultures can't be genetic.

And @82: It is true that the further people get from Englishmen culturally, the less likely they are to have learned the concept of innate God-given rights et cetera. But cultures are not genetic, so having English genes is irrelevant and immaterial to having an English-like culture.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 01, 2016 3:57 AM  

@96

It astounds me how Europeans have a much more objective view of the American Founders and the true nature of Freemasonry. Americans, on the other hand, are unflinching apologists for both.

Very good.

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