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Thursday, December 31, 2015

Do we want to reconcile?

Steve Davidson of Amazing Stories informs us how the Puppies can do so, should we be so inclined.
Want to reconcile?  Here’s what puppies must do.
  1.     stop scamming the system.  If you want to recommend works that you think are worthy of the award, go ahead and do so.  But drop the political agenda (you’re dragons are imaginary) and eliminate the hateful, snarky commentary
  2.     stop attacking the very people who are offering you a bridge
  3.     please learn a little bit about the history of Worldcon and the Hugo Awards
  4.     if you want to be counted as Fans, then be Fans.  Fans who care attend Worldcon, nominate their conscience and attend the business meeting to effect change they think is needed.  They work WITH and within fandom – they do not set themselves up as a cabal that engages in fear and hate.
My response:
  1. Recommending works we thought were worthy was all we did last year. I wrote one (1) single post to that effect. Chaos Horizon even demonstrated mathematically that there was no bloc-voting by the Puppies last year. But PNH and the Tor Cabal are not imaginary. The whisper campaigns and award pimpage of the past are not imaginary. People buying memberships for their underage children so they could bloc-vote for them are not imaginary. SJWs actively pushing a political agenda in science fiction are not imaginary. The rules changes they rammed through in order to defend their turf, exactly as I predicted, are not imaginary. So, no.
  2. No. It's not a bridge, it's an invitation to surrender.
  3. We know far more about the history of Worldcon, Fandom, and the Hugo Awards than you want us to know. We know all about Heidi Saha and David Asimov and the Greyland siblings and Kevin Smith, and the Sri Lankan cabana boys, just to name a few, and soon the entire world will know all about what happened to more than a few children at Fandom's hands. Or to be more precise, what is happening to them. Fandom fosters, defends, and even celebrates a tremendously sick and twisted group of criminal deviants.
  4. We don't want to be Fans. We don't want to be anything like you. We don't want anything to do with you. We are entirely content to be what George Martin dismisses as mere readers, writers, editors, and publishers. And what we intend to do in 2016 is continue to liberate a literary genre from the small collection of creepy left-wing monsters, rape enthusiasts, and social justice warriors who have made it their home for decades.
The caption reads: "Eat your heart out, Isaac Asimov - Heidi has promised to wait until Forry grows up!"

Note that the gentleman in the photograph above, Forrest Ackermann, was honored with a 1939 Retro-Hugo for Best Fanzine in 2014. He was also nominated for Best Fan Writer.

I said in 2013, there can be no reconciliation. Everything I have learned over the last two years has confirmed that. Decent human beings who respect traditional morality don't reconcile with child abusers and the amoral Fans who enable, celebrate, and associate with them.

So, I vote no to reconciliation. What do you say, Rabid Puppies? What do you say, Dread Ilk? What do you say, Sad Puppies?

Even the moderate leader of Sad Puppies 3, Brad Torgersen, sounds as if he considers the prospect of reconciliation to be a dubious one.
An analysis of the post-Hugo numbers identifies a 2,500-vote block of individuals who seemed to think the best way to annihilate the infamous forces of the Kurgan — Vox Day — was to accept Vox’s challenge to play chicken. Now, I warned everybody that chicken is the Kurgan’s favorite game. But that 2,500-vote block went ahead and played the game anyway, nuking five whole categories, and cheering themselves in the process. It was their finest moment. It was also precisely what Vox Day wanted them to do, because it gives Vox his pretext for further assaults on the Hugos in future years, while also radicalizing and alienating many people who wanted nothing to do with Vox, but who did want to see justice done at the Hugo awards proper.
As I warned Mike Glyer of File 770, I am a patient man. We didn't fight back in the media last year, but let them take their best shot at calling us bigots, racists, neo-nazis, and so forth. Last year, I did nothing more than post a single list of recommendations.

And now that 2015 has come to an end, it's our turn.

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242 Comments:

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Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 2:37 PM  

What do you say, Dread Ilk?

Destroy all that which is evil so that good may flourish.

Anonymous Michael Maier December 31, 2015 2:38 PM  

"Kevin Smith"?

How's he involved in this?

Blogger Dexter December 31, 2015 2:38 PM  

you’re dragons

He's an author? And/or an editor? And he doesn't know that "you're" = "you are" not the possessive?

Anonymous SDH December 31, 2015 2:39 PM  

What do you say, Dread Ilk?

Burn and Salt.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 31, 2015 2:39 PM  

Well if we reconcile what would we have to eat? The price of polished skulls would go up and supplies of fresh entrails with which to perform our various rituals would be in peril. I vote they simply do as Sweden is doing with the muslims and simply present, surrender, and let us have our way with them. Think of the our little maggots, the future VFM's who will be without SJW skulls and teeth to play with.

Anonymous Faceless December 31, 2015 2:40 PM  

An ill wind comes arising across the cities of the plain.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 2:41 PM  

Alternative proposition: put the heads of the pedophiles on stakes, impale their defenders on said stakes, and burn their houses and property.

Anonymous Coal fired brisket December 31, 2015 2:41 PM  

MAIM! BURN! KILL!

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 2:42 PM  

After that, sure, let's reason together.

Blogger Bluntobj Winz December 31, 2015 2:42 PM  

I Hunger!

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 31, 2015 2:45 PM  

Just change WORLDCON to TORCON Truth in advertising.

Anonymous Alice De Goon December 31, 2015 2:45 PM  

Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the Puppies of War!

Blogger gemch2834 December 31, 2015 2:47 PM  

Was a sad puppy. After asterisk debacle I say let it burn.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 2:48 PM  

What do you say, Rabid Puppies?

I say, in full concordance with you, that demands of surrender is not "building a bridge". To hell with them and their false platitudes.

Anonymous Leonidas December 31, 2015 2:48 PM  

What do you say, Sad Puppies?

Last year I would've called myself more Sad in temperament, even though most of what I voted to nominate was actually Rabid. But that was coming from a position of relative ignorance. I didn't know the history. I didn't know about the degeneration. And I didn't know the depths they'd go to.

After watching what they did last year, and after learning...

Nuke the place form orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Blogger dh December 31, 2015 2:49 PM  

The whole thing has just cemented exactly what you say - why would anyone want to be a fan for this type of cesspool?

And the rest of the world agrees. Dragoncon is an upstart compared to the Hugo's, yet is dozens of times better attended and more representative than the small minded powers that want to be at Worldcon. I've been to regional paper producer conferences in Australia better attended than Worldcon.

They can continue to fight for the tiny little scraps and boast about their lawns and their beards and how awesome they are, even as a few powerful figures continue to suck up the oxygen and resources for their mediocre works.

Best of luck to Castalia. Every dollar that you take from the old line publishers is a dollar in the right direction.

Anonymous VFM #39 December 31, 2015 2:49 PM  

Burn it all!

Looks like rabbit is back on the menu!

Anonymous Blue SFF Reader December 31, 2015 2:50 PM  

Neutron bomb them, and leave the Hugos standing.

Then, carpet bomb the Hugos into dust.

Salt the earth behind them that no one may build there again.

Carthago delenda est.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 31, 2015 2:50 PM  

I'm just gonna drop this here for reference.

Anonymous WillBest December 31, 2015 2:52 PM  

Have the rules changed on membership and voting? I will throw in for 2016.

Blogger jim December 31, 2015 2:53 PM  

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.

Anonymous cheddarman of Christendom December 31, 2015 2:54 PM  

PANZERS VORWART!!!

Anonymous Passinthough December 31, 2015 2:55 PM  

No quarter asked or given to evil.

Anonymous Strange Aeons December 31, 2015 2:55 PM  

What fellowship hath light with darkness?
Go pound sand, SFWA pedophiles.
Your utter destruction is all we want.

Blogger Giraffe December 31, 2015 2:56 PM  

Whatever you say, Oh Dark Lord.

Anonymous VFM #0189 December 31, 2015 2:56 PM  

I'm with Rorschach on this one.

I say, "No."

Blogger White Devil December 31, 2015 2:57 PM  

He's an author? And/or an editor? And he doesn't know that "you're" = "you are" not the possessive?
His hands are probably shaking so badly he has to type with shock absorbers.

Anonymous SevenCrimes December 31, 2015 2:57 PM  

Last time an offer like this was extended, I believe the response was "NUTS!"

Blogger Sean December 31, 2015 2:59 PM  

'Reconciliation' is just another word for surrender.

Issue a list of counter-demands for a reconciliation and make THEM come to YOU.





Anonymous Leonidas December 31, 2015 3:00 PM  

The whole thing has just cemented exactly what you say

Nothing has argued better for Vox's point of view than the SJW's own actions. Nothing.

And the rest of the world agrees. Dragoncon is an upstart compared to the Hugo's, yet is dozens of times better attended and more representative than the small minded powers that want to be at Worldcon.

As a regular attendee of DragonCon, I was absolutely blown away when I found out how few people attended WorldCon and voted on the Hugos. Blown Away. DragonCon has individual panels with more people than voted on the Hugos prior to the Puppies involvement, and I am not joking or exaggerating. The Sunday night Masquerade - which spills attendees over into a second ballroom so that they can sit and watch it on giant screens - has more people than voted on the Hugos even at last year's peak.

Oh, and did I mention that DragonCon did everything within their legal power to separate themselves from the child molester in their midst - finally managing to completely do so? Because yeah, that matters.

As sad as it makes me, the Hugos have outlived their time and their usefulness. Burn them to the ground.

Anonymous Leonidas December 31, 2015 3:01 PM  

Issue a list of counter-demands for a reconciliation and make THEM come to YOU.

Bah, it's too late for that. Burn it to the ground. Hugo delenda est.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 31, 2015 3:02 PM  

Burn it all to the ground.

And then... fruity drinks with umbrellas for all of us.

Blogger Bard December 31, 2015 3:03 PM  

Nope

Anonymous Scintan December 31, 2015 3:05 PM  

Why would Steve Davidson expect any answer beyond "Go fuck yourself"? Is he stupid? Is he ignorant of how things have gone down? Is he just another SJW pulling the "It'll be ok if you just apologize" gambit?

He has to know that his reconciliation plan is a non-starter, so what's his purpose?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2015 3:05 PM  

Those aren't term of peace, they're terms of surrender.

And I don't think these twits realize that we're not joking about demolishing the entire structure and bulldozing the site flat. Vox has been broadly hinting this whole year about the major axis of attack - homosexual pedophilia will get you a nice, long prison sentence in most countries. And accessories don't fate much better.

Anonymous Stickwick December 31, 2015 3:06 PM  

What do you say, Dread Ilk?

No.

Blogger Salt December 31, 2015 3:07 PM  

The price of gas is down for the VFM's flame-throwers. Even premium is reasonable.

Anonymous Blume December 31, 2015 3:07 PM  

Tor Delenda Est.
Burn it all down.
VFM #389

Blogger Mastender December 31, 2015 3:09 PM  

#19 That's some dark, dark stuff but all completely true. Currently I'm being regaled by our cuck Prime Minister and his SJW allies not to rape my wife so much through micro aggressive behaviour. Meantime in abo camps all over the country small children are being literally raped to death and no one gives a fuck. The last person who did give a fuck was Abbott, and he was shat on for being a racist.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2015 3:12 PM  

The 'peace' offers indicate that the opposition is worried. Time to attack.

Anonymous VFM #0410 December 31, 2015 3:12 PM  

And now that 2015 has come to an end, it's our turn.

Indeed, 2016 will be the year of the Shitlord.

Anonymous Rolf December 31, 2015 3:14 PM  

For such a warm, welcoming, and inclusive group, they sure do want to have an awfully narrow definition of "fan," and what sort of behavior is acceptable.

But I'm sure the irony is lost on them. As are many other subtle nuances, like how committing crimes against children, or knowingly turning a blind eye against the perps, is wrong.

Hey, wasn't there a Jim Croce song about this?
"Oh Rabid Roy, that Puppy boy,
he's too much to believe
you know he always got an extra pack of kick-ass
rolled up in his WorldCon sleeve
He got a tattoo on one arm that say HUGO
He got another one that say No Award
....

Any song-smiths out there wanna filk this?

Blogger Jack Aubrey December 31, 2015 3:15 PM  

Nay

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 31, 2015 3:16 PM  

The caption reads: "Eat your heart out, Isaac Asimov - Heidi has promised to wait until Forry grows up!"

That picture is very disturbing.


What do you say, Sad Puppies?

Nuking the Hugos would be too kind. Burning the Hugos would be too kind.

Even the pain experts of the Darkest Tower, Duhumnamar, in their thousands of years of studying the subject, have not devised a punishment harsh enough for these monsters.

That's what Hell is for.

Deus vult.

Blogger Nick S December 31, 2015 3:16 PM  

No. Ask again once the self immolations are complete.

Blogger BassmanCO December 31, 2015 3:17 PM  

Burn it down.

Every time I have ever tried to be reasonable, these SJWs lie, change the goalposts or the subject. Especially after reading, "SJWs Always Lie", I know there is no reasoning. So fuck them. Bring it all out into the open so the world can see what pathetic, horrible creatures are behind the Worldcon mess.

Anonymous wcb December 31, 2015 3:17 PM  

No surrender. Burn it down.

Anonymous Laz December 31, 2015 3:20 PM  

@33. Scintan

"He has to know that his reconciliation plan is a non-starter, so what's his purpose?"

Being able to screech to the media about how our side won't even come to the table.

Blogger SouthRon December 31, 2015 3:27 PM  

Burn it to the ground. Grind it to powder. Salt the earth where it stood.

There can be no other moral response to so depraved an institution.

Anonymous Scintan December 31, 2015 3:28 PM  

Being able to screech to the media about how our side won't even come to the table.

They've already got most of the media in their pocket, and even an insincere invitation to negotiate such as this one, allows the RP side to fire off a counter, to put the SJW side on the defensive.

If I were Vox, I'd be sorely tempted to toss in a counter offer involving bannings for the Torlings, excommunications for the likes of Bradley and Delaney, and so forth, especially if I could find a supportive news outlet to publish it. After all, Davidson's put the ball on a tee, and the logical underpinnings of such demands would be easily supportable.

Blogger Houston December 31, 2015 3:28 PM  

Are there claims that Forry Ackerman was diddling? Even if he was normal, whoever wrote that caption didn't bother to hide a lasciviousness towards children.

Blogger Peter P. VFM #438 December 31, 2015 3:30 PM  

2016 will be fun. We give them no quarter.

Anonymous VFM#514 December 31, 2015 3:30 PM  

I am Vile Faceless Minion and I endorse this message.

Blogger Copperheaded December 31, 2015 3:30 PM  

Burn

Blogger El Borak December 31, 2015 3:31 PM  

And now that 2015 has come to an end, it's our turn.

currentYear(+1) is going to rule.

Blogger Alexander December 31, 2015 3:31 PM  

Let us burn their towns and hear the lamentations of their androgynous transelves of nondefinitive color.

Anonymous Pax_Romana December 31, 2015 3:32 PM  

Last year, they poured the gasoline on themselves. This year, we hand them the torch.

Hugo Delanda Est.

Blogger Jared Matthews December 31, 2015 3:34 PM  

This VFM reports, Sir!

P.S. I missed the last webinar. Should we still be expecting new VFM numbers soon?

Blogger Hohokam71 December 31, 2015 3:36 PM  

Press on: clear out the rot, build a new institution.

They had their warnings, they had their chance. I watched passively before, but joined the horde this year after seeing their demonstration of bad faith. I have no reason to believe that they will act in good faith in the future.

Denial, anger, and now bargaining ... I look forward to their depression and acceptance as a new institution arises to compete. Based upon the bargaining, I think they sense who will win. It won't be the freaks and deviants. Press on in the battle and don't stop; there are no strategic retreats here.

Blogger Angus Mackenzie December 31, 2015 3:38 PM  

Reconcile? This isn't a fight between family or even human beings. It's an extermination. We are fumigating our house; a genre that has been overrun by termites.

Blogger dh December 31, 2015 3:41 PM  

As a regular attendee of DragonCon, I was absolutely blown away when I found out how few people attended WorldCon and voted on the Hugos. Blown Away.

Ditto. It's not even close. When I saw how pathetic Worldcon is compared to any new con, it just cemented the fact that it's almost not even worth worrying about Worldcon. Except that it's old and a few players can punch slightly above their weight in the world of media coverage, it's like worrying about squashing an ant hill while jogging.

The in-person attendance of 2015 Dragoncon for example was close to 65,000 people. Loncon, Wordlcon's biggest event ever! was.. 7,000 people.

In another 10 years, given the average BMI and age of the attendee's at Worldcon, it will be even less culturally relevant. Kat Rambo and her spunky hair colors can't change the basic demographics. Even with endless pledge drives, diversity efforts, and whatnot the average Worldcon attendee is old, fat, gay, white-ish and dying. The handful of kids and young-adults at Worldcon are out numbered by the vast, ideologically diverse, intelligent, dynamic, young, and fertile crowds of Dragon Con.

Here are representative photos:

http://file770.com/wp-content/uploads/Con-Suite-DSC_0148-COMP-1024x683.jpg


http://www.atlantamagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/09/dragoncon2015_crowd_mwalljasper_oneuseonly-800x500.jpeg

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 31, 2015 3:42 PM  

@43 Nuking the Hugos would be too kind. Burning the Hugos would be too kind.

Nothing less than awarding Hugos only to Christians, homo-rejectors, uni-culturalists, and microaggressive, non-inclusive "racists" will do.  Social Justice will not be accepted except as dystopian fiction, and reject fantasy for eligibility in all categories.

The point is that non-SJWs will READ the Hugo nominees to see what's so objectionable about them... and not find anything.  Let the SJWs make laughingstocks of themselves.

Blogger Rick67 December 31, 2015 3:42 PM  

"Fans who care attend Worldcon, nominate their conscience and attend the business meeting to effect change they think is needed."

This jumped out at me. So this fellow comes right out and proclaims "the usual rules for voting for Hugos no longer apply, now you have to show up at Worldcon, and "vote your conscience" *and* stay for the business meeting (because that will make a difference) *that* is what truly counts". He wants to narrow radically who gets to vote for the Hugos, those who make it to Worldcon, they and only they are truly fans. Excuse me, Fans. Join them. And *then* there shall be reconciliation.

OpenID Jack Amok December 31, 2015 3:46 PM  

Typical of damn rabbits. They think everyone has to be part of the same warren. Why on earth would I want to associate with people like them? Even if they weren't degenerates supporting monstrous abuse, they don't even like the same fiction I do.

Anonymous #0160 December 31, 2015 3:51 PM  

No Quarter.

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 3:55 PM  

Hey Steve, take your bridge and shove it.

We didn't scam the system. We didn't attack people. We know the history of the Hugo's. We know the history of Worldcon. And no, we don't want to be Fans, and least not the type of Fans we saw last year.

Blogger David-093 December 31, 2015 4:00 PM  

Destroy all SJWs.

Blogger Neanderserk December 31, 2015 4:00 PM  

Reconcile. Definitely reconcile.

"make (one account) consistent with another, especially by allowing for transactions begun but not yet completed."

Blogger Cyr#0052 December 31, 2015 4:00 PM  

Nuke'm till they glow.

OR

Crush, Kill, Destroy.

No reconciliation is possible at this time.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 31, 2015 4:02 PM  

Dear Steve Davidson

WE.

DO.

NOT.

CARE.

ABOUT.

YOUR.

FEELINGS.


(*apologies to Milo*)

Blogger tweell December 31, 2015 4:03 PM  

He's nothing but a low-down double-dealing backstabbing larcenous perverted worm. Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him. He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!

No more mister Nice Puppie!

Anonymous Sam the Man December 31, 2015 4:03 PM  

If they really are protecting kid-fiddlers, You would be wrong not to go after them. No one remembers Joe Paternao for the good things he did, just that he failed to realize one of his coaches was a perv. If the evidence is there, do every thing you can to reveal it publically. If the SJW defend such stuff, well it will show what dark hearts they actually have.

Not a big science fiction fan, but I think reconciliation under those circumstances would be wrong, especially if it offered cover to Pervs.

Blogger Sevron December 31, 2015 4:03 PM  

The pedophilia thing jumps out again. It's like, wherever some kind of cloistered elite shows up, even at something as really minor as SFF (I'm a lifelong fan but it's a small niche, it's not rude to admit that), pedophiles pop up. Whether it's the political elite, Britain's public schools, SFF high mugwumps, probably PTA boards, it's just kind of everywhere. Should we now just assume that anybody in charge of anything is a pedo or pedo enabler?

Blogger Elocutioner December 31, 2015 4:04 PM  

SciFi is best read beside a nice radioactive glow.

I'm ready to go on offense.

Blogger luagha December 31, 2015 4:07 PM  

So beautifully telegraphed. This past week or so has been shadowboxing for the cameras the punch that you're going to deck them with and still they'll stand with their chin out for it. Because they have to.

It's the equivalent of 'calling your shot' or 'naming your technique' or Babe Ruth pointing where in the stands the hit is going to go.

Blogger pyrrhus December 31, 2015 4:09 PM  

Use Carthage as the model, they sacrificed children too.....

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 4:16 PM  

My theme song for 2016 is Burn It Down by AWOLNATION. What is "it", you ask? Why, the whole damn rotten edifice of our sick culture of perversion at home and slaughter abroad, a corrupt government that serves only the interests of the donor class, universities repurposed as cult indoctrination centers, and etcetera.

I say, burn it all down. That degraded award for a degenerate genre will be the least of this year's casualties.

Anonymous 334 December 31, 2015 4:19 PM  

Bring on the gasoline ...

Anonymous 334 December 31, 2015 4:23 PM  

He has to know that his reconciliation plan is a non-starter, so what's his purpose?

To win over anyone left on the fence by appearing reasonable and open to dialogue.

Blogger totenhenchen December 31, 2015 4:24 PM  

Between the Puppies, the Dangerous Faggot, and the Trumpening, 2016 could be a humdinger of a year. I'm gonna have to stock up on popcorn and Jameson.

Anonymous Headcannon December 31, 2015 4:24 PM  

Reading the recent SP thread at Brad Torgersen's site makes it clear what any sensible answer should be to the disingenuous puppykickers.

No.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 31, 2015 4:28 PM  

Unlike the Let's typical victims, we neither trust them, nor are we children.

No peace.

Anonymous WinstonWebb December 31, 2015 4:29 PM  

_Left's_

Anonymous Philipp December 31, 2015 4:29 PM  

Beware the fury of a patient man.

Blogger collisioncat67 December 31, 2015 4:30 PM  

"Stop attacking the very people who are offering you a bridge."

Never imitate the cucks. They'll take it as flattery.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner December 31, 2015 4:35 PM  

"Il nous faut de l'audace, et encore de l'audace, et toujours de l'audace."

I'm up for a little werfen with my homies:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Shaviv/notmine/flammenwerfer.jpg

Anonymous patrick kelly December 31, 2015 4:36 PM  

Set it off..

SETITOFF

(I know Tommie is a commie...I don't care, still like the music..)

Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 4:40 PM  

As long as Castalia House exists, I am fully committed to the burn-plan.

Anonymous Flyover Resident December 31, 2015 4:40 PM  

Burn baby burn,
Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn,
Burn the mother down.

Anonymous My Take # 212 December 31, 2015 4:44 PM  

A polite but emphatic “HELL NO” These scum suckers need to be totally destroyed. “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

Blogger Nick S December 31, 2015 4:46 PM  

...,so what's his purpose?

Well, he is a professional paintball strategist, so his thought processes are probably too advanced for...oh, never mind. I'm laughing too hard to finish this.

Anonymous Boogeyman VFM #240 December 31, 2015 4:54 PM  

I'm going to offer something a little out of the box. How about instead we take it over and invite Trump to be be the guest of honor and awards presenter?

Then we can burn the dam thing down, salt the earth, and sell the survivors as slaves to ISIS.

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 4:55 PM  

Taking a few stanzas from the words of Def Leppard:

Ow Gonna start a fire
C'mon!
Rise up! gather round
Rock this place to the ground
Burn it up let's go for broke
Watch the night go up in smoke
...
Oh let's go, let's strike a light
We're gonna blow like dynamite
I don't care if it takes all night
Gonna set this town alight
...
Now listen to me
I'm Burnin', Burnin', I got the fever
I know for sure, there ain't no cure
So feel it, don't fight it, go with the flow
Gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme one more for the road
...
We're gonna burn this damn place down
Down to the ground

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sk5aeUoOjw for those who want to listen.

OpenID Jack Amok December 31, 2015 4:55 PM  

The pedophilia thing jumps out again. It's like, wherever some kind of cloistered elite shows up, even at something as really minor as SFF (I'm a lifelong fan but it's a small niche, it's not rude to admit that), pedophiles pop up.

Yeah, the predators need something isolated from the rest of society, otherwise they'll be discovered and dealt with.

Should we now just assume that anybody in charge of anything is a pedo or pedo enabler?

No, but we should assume predators will try to infiltrate everything and be on the lookout. It's not like they don't do things to give themselves away. That's why they need the isolated communities.

Blogger Eric Hanson December 31, 2015 5:01 PM  

Let the 2016 Hugocide comemence...

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 31, 2015 5:04 PM  

What does Heinlein have to do with this disgusting mess? As for the rest, well, los desparacidos is a good idea.

Anonymous Blue SFF Reader December 31, 2015 5:05 PM  

Rome once again stands against the demonic child sacrifices of Carthage.

Carthago delenda est.

Anonymous Scintan December 31, 2015 5:06 PM  

To win over anyone left on the fence by appearing reasonable and open to dialogue.

Only the greatest of fools would consider that offer to be reasonable.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 31, 2015 5:06 PM  

@ 92 Jack Amok

I second that. For now though....

Burn.It.All.Down.

Anonymous VFM#158 December 31, 2015 5:08 PM  

The WorldCon TruFan collective will be happy to accept anyone. As long as they assimilate into good little hivemind drones who will praise and protect child abusers.

I suggest we burn it, salt the earth, then nuke it from orbit, for maximum satisfaction. Given the events of 2015, however, I suspect that the "we" above is going to be the TruFen and not the Rabid Puppies - they've already started the burning, after all!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 31, 2015 5:11 PM  

What should we do? The real question is:

WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE?

CRUSH YOUR ENEMIES
SEE THEM DRIVEN BEFORE YOU
HEAR THE LAMENTATIONS OF THE WOMEN

Anonymous Anonymous December 31, 2015 5:12 PM  

Alright, I read this blog and alpagame each new post. I like it and appreciate it. Can somebody, anybody, tell me what the hell this puppygate/sci-fi beef is all about. Break it down for somebody that has read Vox's Depression book but has never touched a sci-fi book in his life and does not plan to- please put in layman's terms without the sci-fi catch words. Please...I'm dying here. Just need to know enough to understand what the heck is going on. All I can figure out is a bunch of SJW's are pissed at Vox and he's taken them to school, but the basic in's and outs of the narrative are lost on me and I'm guessing a bunch of others.

Anonymous 334 December 31, 2015 5:13 PM  

Only the greatest of fools would consider that offer to be reasonable.

Only the greatest of fools in the SF community is still on the fence after all this.

Anonymous nathan December 31, 2015 5:17 PM  

To those whose control over the genre has led to shattered lives and crushed sales, repent and leave the genre forever.

War to the knife and knife to the hilt.

Blogger Markku December 31, 2015 5:18 PM  

Anonymous,

First, pick a name. We moderators are under orders to delete comments from "Anonymous" because several anons in a thread get confusing. You can use Name/URL, and leave URL empty.

Puppygate, or Sad Puppies formally, started with Larry Correia. It has become an annual thing. Larry gave a list of book recommendations to vote for, in order to get them on the shortlist for Hugos. The winner is then voted from the shortlist at Worldcon. The first Sad Puppies didn't have a major effect. The second had a little effect. Not enough to get the Sci-Fi Establishment worried, but enough for our side to see this can work. Third year, Larry was finished with the project, but Brad Torgersen and Vox Day continued it. Brad's list was Sad Puppies 3, Vox's was Rabid Puppies. The third one was a massive success, and took ENTIRE shortlists. At this point the Establishment crapped its collective pants.

Remember, this was just a few blog posts, or in Vox's case, just one.

Blogger Banjo December 31, 2015 5:21 PM  

Dethklok has an appropriate response: Go Forth and Die

Anonymous VFM #0153 December 31, 2015 5:25 PM  

Number 70 Found the quote that says it best.
"He's nothing but a low-down double-dealing backstabbing larcenous perverted worm. Hanging's too good for him. Burning's too good for him. He should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"

Nuke the whole thing.
VFM #153

Blogger Civis Silas December 31, 2015 5:25 PM  

I'm sorry, Mr. Davidson... but you appear to have mistaken us for Republicans.

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 5:26 PM  

@100. Anonymous

In addition to what Markku said, you should read Correia's post here, where he responds to George R R Martin (the guy who wrote A Game of Thrones)

It sheds a lot of light as to the whats and whys.

Anonymous Zion's Paladin (VFM #122) December 31, 2015 5:30 PM  

Quoth this Vile Faceless Minion:

There cannot be any reconciliation, for the Rabid Puppies were never with you to begin with. Burn it to the ground.

Blogger Adam Lawson December 31, 2015 5:31 PM  

No, we do not want to reconcile, to start with the title. Any time we (the alternative right, sensible authors/fans, gamers) agree to reconcile it ends up much the same way as the omnibus. They get everything and we get a brief, momentary respite from being called all manner of *ist or *phobic. No, thanks.

As to the Amazing Stories guy's points, the most insulting to me is his suggestion that if we want to be Fans we should be Fans. Like anyone wants to give up the definition of what it means to be a fan of a work to some mysterious authority. No, thanks, again.

There are times to compromise or seek peace. When you're winning is not that time. Given the complete and total breakdown we've seen in a variety of their persons of Fandom I'd say we're winning.

Blogger Allan Davis December 31, 2015 5:31 PM  

@100,, with all due humility, I'll offer the link to my article over on LRC summing up the whole thing:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/04/allan-davis/leftists-attack-libertarian-sci-fi/

Anonymous Crude December 31, 2015 5:34 PM  

What do you say, Rabid Puppies? What do you say, Dread Ilk? What do you say, Sad Puppies?

I'd say reject their terms, but come up with some terms of your own. What standards could they adhere to, and what would you do in response?

Assuming they actually stuck to their end of the deal.

Blogger Wrangler December 31, 2015 5:36 PM  

You can put me down for a big Negative.

Blogger Groot December 31, 2015 5:37 PM  

Where's the Vox Popoli Best of 2015 post?

I nominate Tiny Tim for most explosive meltdown.

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Also, most-commented post, least-commented post, funniest, etc.

Blogger SirHamster December 31, 2015 5:43 PM  

What do you say, Rabid Puppies?

More bones.

Anonymous RS December 31, 2015 5:43 PM  

How do we sign up for a vfm number?

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 5:45 PM  

Just claim your Vile Affiliate Faceless Minion number!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2015 5:51 PM  

One minor point...I don't want to destroy the Hugos. I want to rescue them from durance vile in the finest classic SF tradition. With the copious use of high-energy weapons and heroic derring-do.

Everybody set your blasters to BROIL!

Blogger Rabbi B December 31, 2015 5:52 PM  

@113 Groot

I second. It did extend over 24 hours, and was indeed epic.

Blogger Madame Ringading December 31, 2015 5:56 PM  

Burn Baby Burn!

Blogger JDC December 31, 2015 5:56 PM  

Steve Davidson can cram his reconciliation up his cram-hole. That's all I got today. The wife and two of the little ones are visiting family, while myself, and the littlest one have taken quite ill. The Lord bless you and keep you, and Happy New year...(except the "only true church" Catholics - wouldn't want to stain your church triumphant with a pagan blessing).

Go Spartans!

Blogger bob k. mando December 31, 2015 6:02 PM  

115. RS December 31, 2015 5:43 PM
How do we sign up for a vfm number?



email is at top left of page.

Anonymous Nxx December 31, 2015 6:05 PM  

What do you say, Dread Ilk?

This farcical offer further confirms that the SJW scum cannot be reasoned with at any level.

We are left no choice but to destroy them utterly.

Anonymous John VFM #413 December 31, 2015 6:07 PM  

Delenda est

Blogger Rantor December 31, 2015 6:10 PM  

No surrender, no quarter given, none expected. Bring your best game.

Any thoughts on a Castalia House booth at Worldcon this summer? It would certainly be provacative.

Blogger Six December 31, 2015 6:10 PM  

No reconciliation. Burn it all down and toast marshmallows over the smoldering ashes. Every time I see calls for such from the CHORFs it's always incumbent on us to retreat and modify. Screw that. I'm not taking it in the ass for anyone. The mainstream elitist SF/F perverts can pull themselves up a footstool and kiss my cis-gender, hetero normative, masculine and yet fully clothed third point of contact.

Blogger Neanderserk December 31, 2015 6:10 PM  

I'm sure after a few decades in Tom Kratman's dungeon they'll be fully rehabilitated.

(And if not, no longer ambulatory.)

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 6:18 PM  

political agenda (you’re dragons are imaginary) and eliminate the hateful, snarky commentary

The reason we have stories about slaying dragons is not about how many/endangered there are but to let people know they can be killed. Also have you ever gotten in bad breath range of some convention goers?

Fans who care attend Worldcon, nominate their conscience and attend the business meeting

How do you slay that which has no life? Also #wrongcoast.

stop attacking the very people who are offering you a bridge I thought they offered to sell us the Eifel tower?

Alternative proposition: put the heads of the pedophiles on stakes, impale their defenders on said stakes, and burn their houses and property.

Instead of burning their houses you should sell the property at auction. I would like to have a chance to get some artwork back.

No one remembers Joe Paternao for the good things he did, just that he failed to realize one of his coaches was a perv

Paternao did what he was supposed to do, it was the College President who went to the same jewish temple as Sandusky that made the campus cops drop the case. Paternao didn't follow up, but put it in the campus cops hands.

I nominate Tiny Tim for most explosive meltdown. You mean the illegal alien with a $40+ knife in a Wall mart bath room one?

Blogger Keith Glass December 31, 2015 6:18 PM  

Crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of Mike Glyer.

That is good. . .

Blogger F. Axe #437 December 31, 2015 6:19 PM  

I say we flay them, tan their hides, boil their corpulence for fat rendering. use the nitro from said rendering to destroy their edifices, the soap from said rendering to wash our hands clean of their filth and powder their structurally weak bones and send the bone meal to David The Good, for his roses, that something beautiful may come of this.

Blogger bob k. mando December 31, 2015 6:20 PM  

126. Neanderserk December 31, 2015 6:10 PM
I'm sure after a few decades in Tom Kratman's dungeon they'll be fully rehabilitated.



Kratman doesn't have a dungeon and he doesn't do rehabilitation.

a Kratman lines the road with the crucified, for miles on end, as a warning to those who might have been considering taking their ill considered path in life.

for the crucified, there are only the birds to look forward too ... while their eyes last.

Blogger Steve Moss December 31, 2015 6:24 PM  

As a former Sad Puppy, now a Mad Puppy, I'm looking forward to the Hugo Awards this year.

Blogger Ragin' Dave December 31, 2015 6:24 PM  

Not one damn mention of the lies, the smears, the sheer outright hatred thrown our way by the pedophiles and deviants who control WorldCon in that post by Davidson. Burn it. Burn it all. Sow the embers with salt, and then piss on them for good measure.

Anonymous VFM #5454 December 31, 2015 6:31 PM  

Just like Milo's story today, 2016 will indeed be the year of change in destroying SJW's power over anything.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Blogger Desiderius December 31, 2015 6:33 PM  

"So, I vote no to reconciliation. What do you say, Rabid Puppies? What do you say, Dread Ilk? What do you say, Sad Puppies?"

"Reconciliation" implies that there was once some state of conciliation to which it would be possible to return.

This is not the case.

The mainline churches that have replaced "salvation" with "reconciliation" in their creeds and prayers have run into this same problem.

Anonymous Krul December 31, 2015 6:44 PM  

"Want to reconcile? Here’s what puppies must do."

We don't care.

Blogger JDC December 31, 2015 6:51 PM  

I say we flay them, tan their hides, boil their corpulence for fat rendering

I second that. An added bonus is that SJW hides are particularly vigorous, given that they often have to contain gargantuan organisms.

Anonymous Laz December 31, 2015 6:53 PM  

"Only the greatest of fools would consider that offer to be reasonable."

There's more fools out there than you know.

Blogger Christopher Yost December 31, 2015 6:53 PM  

I'd like to rescue the Hugos (while trodding on the baked bones of SJWs) but, if not possible, utterly and sensationally annihilate 'em.

Can always form a more honest, inclusive award using their corpses as foundation.

Blogger Unknown December 31, 2015 6:57 PM  

Peace? You want peace?

YOU DON'T WANT PEACE. YOU CAN'T HANDLE PEACE.

Here's what it will take to make peace, at least as far as this Vile, Faceless Minion is concerned:

1) The Dark Lord of the ELoE must be reinstated to full (and fully paid-up) membership in the SFWA, with full apologies from the board. Failing that N. K. Jemison, John Scalzi, and PNH must be immediately expelled from SFWA.

2) Formal, written apologies from the Board and David Gerrold for intentionally, basely and without provocation, insulting every single nominee for last years Hugos.

3) Every child molester, including MZB, Delaney, Clarke Breen and any others, must be expelled, if still a member, and any awards they have ever received must be rescinded.

4) A formal policy must be in place, with defined procedures for handling suspicions or allegations of child sexual abuse, both at WorldCon and SFWA events, and outside those events by their members.

5) A promotional effort at the next several WorldCons to publicize the history of child molestation at SF events and to inform Con goes how to report any suspicions or allegations.

6) Drop the proposed E Pluribus Hugo nominating rules.

7) add a new category of WorldCon member, WrongFan, with a membership price of $10, consisting of the right to vote in only one Hugo race.

8) Change the SFWA membership rules to allow independent and self-published authors equal access.

And Finally,
9) Every single person on your side of the kerfluffle must personally apologize to JC Wright and buy one of his books. I don't demand that you read them, I expect they're beyond the ability of most of your side to appreciate.

That's what it would take. Are you willing to come to the table, or are you going "to attack the very people trying to build a bridge"?

Anonymous kfg December 31, 2015 7:00 PM  

Stone are my walls, and my roof is of timber,
But the hands of my builder are stronger by far.
The roof may be burned and my stones may be scattered,
But never her light be defeated in war.

Blood paid the price of this hill that I rest on
And blood pays the price of these lands that I see.
The price; it is fair for the rights that it purchased.
Within my gray walls, ye shall ever stand free.

No retreat. No surrender. Burn them. Burn them a lot.

Anonymous Peter #0231 December 31, 2015 7:00 PM  

No reconciliation.

I hope everyone remembers this next August when we all tune into the Hugo ceremonies and find, once again, that everything we manage to get on the ballot gets No Awarded.

And just what dialect does this mope speak? 'you're' is not the same as 'your', and I cannot find any definition of 'reconcile' that includes 'surrender'.

Anonymous 445supermag December 31, 2015 7:04 PM  

The late, great Peter Steele said it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFso9wnXxo

Right wing commies
Leftist Nazis
Point their fingers
Rumours linger
We don't care what you think
Branded sexist
Labelled racist
Want it clearer?
Check the mirror
We don't care what you think
Lies and slander, in vain try to shame us
Riots, protests, violence just makes us famous
TV interviews, free publicity
Increase record sales dramatically
The left, they say I'm fascist
The right calling me communist
Hate, hate, hate, hatred for all-one and all
No matter what you beleive
Don't believe in you-and that's true
Some would say that we're biased
Accusations that we are racist
Well, shit comes in all hues
Now this means you
'Cause things ain't always like they seem
Like they seem
We hate everyone
We don't care what you you think


Anonymous Krul December 31, 2015 7:05 PM  

"Want to reconcile?"

We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.

Blogger Arcane Rhino December 31, 2015 7:24 PM  

"What do you say, Dread Ilk?"

Hahahahaha.

No.

Blogger Carl Philipp December 31, 2015 7:25 PM  

Sheep go this way, goats go that way. Say your goodbyes.

Blogger bob k. mando December 31, 2015 7:29 PM  

139. Unknown December 31, 2015 6:57 PM
1) The Dark Lord of the ELoE must be reinstated to full (and fully paid-up)



iirc, they never refunded ANY of his money, not even a prorated pittance.

therefore, he still is fully payed up on his lifetime membership.

so far as his expulsion is concerned, they never followed their own bylaws for formally doing so.

Vox has been 'harmed' by the illegal revocation of his Lifetime membership rights and benefits for ... eh, however long it's been since he was found to be less desirable than a child abusing pedophile like Marion Zimmer Bradley.

therefore, the monetary 'harm' that Vox has suffered would probably be the equivalent of the annual memberships necessary to cover however long it's been since they threw him out.

punitive and compensatory damages would have to be assessed by a judge.

but really, Vox is probably better off not being associated with the Science Fiction Pedophiles of America.

Blogger imp of the perverse December 31, 2015 7:34 PM  

It never ceases to amaze me how many people are ignorant of Delaney's true character. I guess it is a byproduct of how few people read him currently.

Anonymous Bastiat December 31, 2015 7:37 PM  

Fuck them all.

After what they did to the Wrights (and Weisskopf), and the horrid prancing last year...burn it all to the ground. Salt the earth. And then melt it all with an anti-matter attack from orbit.

I sat it out last year (instead spent my meager monies on some of Mr. Wright's books before the boycott), but not this year.

Blogger Bradford Walker December 31, 2015 7:38 PM  

I wish to do unto them what Civilization did to Eddore, to the Eddorians, and to their chief lieutenants the Ploorians (of Ploor)- and for much the same reason.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 31, 2015 7:40 PM  

Reconcile?
HAHAHAHAAHA!
*gasp*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Blogger Culture War Draftee December 31, 2015 7:42 PM  

Reconcile? Lemme think about it a moment. Nope, Stevo, David Gerrold, Rape Rape, PNH, the Toad, and the rest can kiss my sister's black cat's ass.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx December 31, 2015 7:42 PM  

Annihilation and nothing but annihilation. Nukes, fumigators, spikes, whatever it takes. Special attention for Pedoservatives like Steve Davidson and John Scalzi.

Happy Nuke Year!

- a reformed libertarian

Anonymous 334 December 31, 2015 7:47 PM  

@151.

I object! Have mercy on your sister's black cat!

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 December 31, 2015 7:48 PM  

I smell rabbits on the grille

Anonymous Red December 31, 2015 8:02 PM  

Raise the Black Flag. Have the pipers play and the drummers drum. Let the cry of no prisoners go forth. 2016 will be the year of blood and it is on the hands of the SJW's. No retreat. No surrender.

Blogger grendel December 31, 2015 8:04 PM  

Delenda est. Nuke 'em til they glow and shoot 'em in the dark.

Blogger Scuzzaman December 31, 2015 8:10 PM  

Burn it. Burn if all down to the ground.

No prisoners, no quarter, no mercy.

The time for those things is long past. Today is a red day.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 31, 2015 8:27 PM  

No Surrender

Anonymous Minion 0172 December 31, 2015 8:33 PM  

After watching the SJW cabal howl with glee as they nuked their own awards at Sasquan, I have only one humble request to make of the Supreme Dark Lord:

Make the rubble bounce.

Blogger Nick S December 31, 2015 8:33 PM  

4. if you want to be counted as Fans, then be Fans...Fans who care...

We care...said no Dread Ilk ever.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume December 31, 2015 8:37 PM  

Sine missione

And BTW, that is one of the creepiest photos I've ever seen.

Anonymous Leonidas December 31, 2015 8:58 PM  

The pedophilia thing jumps out again. It's like, wherever some kind of cloistered elite shows up, even at something as really minor as SFF (I'm a lifelong fan but it's a small niche, it's not rude to admit that), pedophiles pop up.

It really seems that way, doesn't it?

Next step is to dig this up on all the career politicians in Washington and all the big corporate executives.

Shine the Light. The bright, harsh, burning, cleansing, beautiful Light. Shine it everywhere and cleanse with the burn.

Blogger Chiva December 31, 2015 9:05 PM  

Reconcile? Reconcile with what? Reconcile with what is anathema to us?

No.

Blogger Zimri December 31, 2015 9:12 PM  

Oh god. Trigger warning on those Heidi Saha links? I was in a public place and those pics just sprung out.

And there's no way I'm looking at that borderline material at home.

Anonymous Anonymous December 31, 2015 9:17 PM  

"Anonymous pick a name" Ok. I can read and was surprised by comment got through but what the heck is a URL? I'm generally considered a smart man and run a successful business but you guys got your own lingo here with the sci fi and tech world. I feel old and I"m only 38. Tell me what a URL is and I'll try to get in line.

Thanks for the run down of the crime. I appreciate it.

Blogger Zimri December 31, 2015 9:18 PM  

"Paternao did what he was supposed to do, it was the College President who went to the same jewish temple as Sandusky that made the campus cops drop the case. Paternao didn't follow up, but put it in the campus cops hands."

Sandusky wasn't Jewish. His mother was Irish Catholic, his name is ultra-Polish, and he named his charity "the second mile" after a New Testament logion of Jesus.

Antisemites always lie.

Blogger Dexter December 31, 2015 9:18 PM  

I cannot find any definition of 'reconcile' that includes 'surrender'.

When the triumphant Left sets up a "truth and reconciliation commission", it is always in the wake of the Right surrendering. Needless to say, it never involves truth or reconciliation (class, repeat after me: SJWs always lie). It always involves rewriting history and grinding their defeated enemies into the dust.

So, if you can reconcile yourself to that form of reconciliation...

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 31, 2015 9:19 PM  

No reconcil - non and nein.

Sad baby puppies didn't do anything wrong. Puppies, kittens need treats and cuddled.

Blogger Elocutioner December 31, 2015 9:23 PM  

@129 Render them? Into soap? I dunno about reconciliation but that would buy them a little atonement.

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 9:32 PM  

Milo publishes someone's thoughts.

Anonymous philip December 31, 2015 9:39 PM  

Oh Dark Lord, the time of the Puppies have past and they have been scorned, please, oh please, let loose the Vile Faceless Minions.

Blogger tz December 31, 2015 9:42 PM  

I read the whole article. It is incoherent, it seems to try to pretend that there is no such thing of a SJW or that even if they do exist they have no effect on SF/F, or even if they do, "anyone can join" so vote. OK, that is what the various "puppies" are doing. What is the point in reconciling if the puppies can accomplish everything without it? If he wants a truce, it is up to him to build the bridge and cross it.

I had to reread, then I laughed:

"Other things of note: Your friends may think its cool that you are threatening to open carry at Worldcon because of the threats to your person that you perceive, but that most of us recognize for what it is: the bluster of a fearful person ginning up a non-existent threat in order to rabble rouse".

Can we relocate some ISIS refugees to wherever WorldCon is going to be held next year. I like to get regular exercise, particularly with my constitutional rights.

Open Carry is the proper answer to feeling triggered, not the fainting couch in the "safe space".

Blogger FP December 31, 2015 9:42 PM  

Burn the heretics. Purge the unclean.

Blogger tz December 31, 2015 9:43 PM  

Say, aren't "puppies" a common denizen of a "safe space"? Maybe we need to send some play-doh puppies.

OpenID Jack Amok December 31, 2015 9:55 PM  

Thanks for the run down of the crime. I appreciate it.

Anon, a URL is the thing you type into your browser, like voxday.blogspot.com. Just leave that box blank when you pick "Name/URL" from the "Comment as:" box.

Markku's rundown of the Puppies et al may have left out some important backstory.

The Hugos are an award for Science Fiction and Fantasy. They're voted on by fans who pay for a membership in a particular organization. Anyone with $40 can join. For years, several established publishers - Tor books most notable among them - gamed the awards for their own purposes, engineering block votes. The predictable result was that the quality of the award winners declined dramatically. A few years ago, the Sad Puppies campaign began to try and get better works nominated. See Markku's post for the details. The insiders who'd been gaming the awards (they get the lable of TruFans, since they don't think anyone who disagrees with them is a fan) didn't like having someone turn over their rock.

But speaking of turning over rocks,it gets even more interesting. One bit of fallout from the whole thing has been more attention paid to the goings-on within the TruFan community and the conventions they put on. Far worse things than gaming some awards turned up. The establishment SF/F community has harbored a shocking number of child molesters, and it's leaders generally prefer to defend the molesters.

Blogger Jew613 December 31, 2015 9:58 PM  

Burn it all to the ground.

Anonymous Dave Gerrold's Cabana Boy December 31, 2015 9:59 PM  

VFM standing orders for 2016:

Raze the city. Burn the bodies. Salt the earth.


OpenID Jack Amok December 31, 2015 10:00 PM  

I second that. For now though....

Burn.It.All.Down.


Oh, absolutely. Considering what evil the current incarnation of an "official" SF/F fan group hatched, I don't even see much reason to replace it with anything after the fire.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus December 31, 2015 10:12 PM  

As far as I can tell, the Puppies are the only reason anybody gives a red rat's endpoint about the Hugos at all any more.

These cretins should be down on their knees thanking Vox and Correia from the bottom of their tremulous little hearts.

But then, in their own retarded way, they are, aren't they?

Anonymous Artraccoon gone Rabid December 31, 2015 10:20 PM  

Time to burn and bury this tainted and perverse Hugoworld, then we shall raise a new city, gleaming on a hill...a hill made of our enemies bones.

Blogger Didact December 31, 2015 10:20 PM  

What do you say, Rabid Puppies?

No reconciliation with evil. Not now, not ever.

SJW Delenda Est

Purge the heretic! Burn the unclean! Suffer not the SJW to live!

- Didact (VFM #309)

Anonymous John Wilkes Booth December 31, 2015 10:33 PM  

As I always, catch 'em when they ain't looking.

What say I? Nay, ruffians.

Anonymous Case December 31, 2015 10:41 PM  

Not unless TOR fires that girl that looks like Olive Oyl.

Nah,...not even then.

Blogger TheRedSkull December 31, 2015 10:44 PM  

Either you're doing it for the children, or to the children.

Anonymous Baseball Savant December 31, 2015 10:48 PM  

BURN IT DOWN. BURN IT ALL DOWN.

Blogger JACIII December 31, 2015 10:49 PM  

Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads.

Blogger JACIII December 31, 2015 10:49 PM  

Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads.

Anonymous perun December 31, 2015 10:53 PM  

Who is this Davidson creature? According to Wikipedia (hawk, spit) he acquired the rights to the "Amazing Stories" name in 2012, and has published exactly two (online) issues since then.

Apparently, he's been a professional fan since the 70's. He got a grant once. And he's been a professional paintball player. http://amazingstoriesmag.com/authors/steve-davidson/

Plus, his post has been up two days and has exactly *one* comment - a trackback to the 50 Hugos website.

So, he's Damien Walter's semi-literate American cousin. How quaint. As his incoherent splittle pops and steams on my VFM issue armor, I say, "No".

Blogger TheRedSkull December 31, 2015 10:55 PM  

"No moleste" says the sign on
DragonCon's hotel door
But "Do not enter"'s what they mean
And we won't listen anymore.

The time of Childhood's End is gone
Jaws of justice open yawn
And flimsy plywood can't hold back
The Rabid Puppy's raging pack.

Anonymous JRL December 31, 2015 11:14 PM  

yaaaarrrrr to the plank ye sjw lubbars! thhaarrrrr be no room here for the likes of ye. thunderin typhoons yer the likeness of the great whale himself. man the harpoon cannon, thar she blows mateys!

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner December 31, 2015 11:36 PM  

"No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full." - epitaph of Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Blogger Doom December 31, 2015 11:36 PM  

Reconcile? With these? If I have to make the call, it would be that reconciliation could only occur if one side was impaled, a la Vlad. And, I promise, it won't be as pleasing as those pervs might wish to think. Do it right and you miss all of the major arteries and organs... takes days. "Sweet dreams are made of these..."

If they are offering reconciliation, I think they understand what sort of situation they are in. Even this sort of "offer" means that they understand. Too many of us, finally, are at the point where if they are what Western Civ means, what it has come to, it is better to see it fail and start over than to support it. Better even to die fighting and dismantling it, if this is it's fruit, than to even just ignore it.

Blogger Sithicus December 31, 2015 11:43 PM  

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Blogger kaflick December 31, 2015 11:44 PM  

#206

More Blood!
We'll talk about reconciliation with their heirs' heirs' heirs.
After the third generation they may be able to reconcile with civilization.
But I doubt it.

Anonymous JRL December 31, 2015 11:44 PM  

hahahahaha, squee me a sonnet my little pearly, ye'll be gaspin fer air like a cuttlefish on me pike. yarrrrrr!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2015 11:49 PM  

@149 Bradford Walker:

I'm not sure I want to be that close to a supernova. Those things have a very large kill radius.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 31, 2015 11:53 PM  

187. JACIII December 31, 2015 10:49 PM
Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads.
I hear ya , brother.
To the rest, you have a Happy New Year, y'hear ?

Anonymous 452 December 31, 2015 11:59 PM  

No. not just no but fuck no. not now. not ever. not in this life or the next. no quarter given, none taken. to nuketown with'em...

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