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Thursday, December 17, 2015

"Donald Trump has won the nomination"

Roger Simon throws in the towel and declares Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee:
La Serenissima may be among the most beautiful cities in the world but everything there seems to be done "for affect" as well. It's all a stage set.

As was the debate Tuesday night, because, for all the back and forth, the chills and semi-thrills, the Rubio-Cruz-Paul contretemps,  the desperate pleadings of Jeb Bush, the reminder by Chris Christie of what might have been if he hadn't kowtowed to Lord Obama, Carly Fiorina telling us again that she has met Putin, Frank Luntz and all his focus groups and all the thumb-sucking wise men and women in all the ships at sea and CNBC, as they say about a mile up the Strip from the Venetian at the Monte Carlo, "les jeux sont faits."

No more bets, ladies and gentlemen.  The game is over.  Donald Trump has won the nomination.

Everyone acknowledged as much, heads nodding around me in the press room, when, nearly at the end of the debate, Hugh Hewitt served up by far the most serious, in the sense of fateful, question of the night by asking Trump to answer finally whether he will support the Republican candidate under any circumstances.

The Donald smiled, stared straight into the camera with the practiced skill of a Cronkite or a Murrow, though more playful and, one reluctantly admits, winning, and acknowledged that, yes, he will.  He has been treated well by all concerned and even come to like and admire many of the candidates on the stage with him.  Murmurs of approval all around.

And then he administered the coup de television. Looking square into the lens at America he promised to beat Hillary Clinton in November.  And he did so in full recognition by all concerned, barring force majeure, he already was the nominee and everybody knew it.  He was taking a graceful bow.

Game, set, match, tournament and whatever they say in bocce.
I wouldn't count out the inevitable shenanigans on the part of the Republican establishment. But regardless of their best efforts, it is obvious that Trump has successfully defied every expectation and prediction of his collapse.

Of course, it didn't help the establishment that they lined up behind Jeb Bush, arguably the worst mainstream candidate in recent history. 

"We can't disassociate ourselves from peace-loving Muslims." 
- Jeb Bush

 Or from rainbow-farting unicorns.

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Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 8:16 AM  

The question becomes: How far are the elites going to go in order to stop him? Will it be some patsy such as Sirhan Sirhan with a Secret Service agent there to make sure the deed is done?

Blogger Timmy3 December 17, 2015 8:16 AM  

He must win Iowa. Maybe he will. Cruz will be VP. A dream team.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2015 8:19 AM  

Too true about GOP, Inc. and Jeb!

Here I thought the nominations of GWB and Dole were inscrutable. I have to ask, is not support of Jeb! an open admission of one's naked political cynicism? While most politicians are icky to me, my guess is that shaking hands with Jeb! would be like squeezing a dead squid.

You know the political system is Full Zombie when the Deep State has no other choices among their face cards but the jester (AKA The Fool.)

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 17, 2015 8:22 AM  

If each state had a primary instead of several having caucuses Trump would win hands down. Caucuses can be manipulated by the state party as we saw Ron paul delegates turned away from state caucuses in 2012.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2015 8:22 AM  

@1
I'm with Anon Cons and assume Trump keeps the Secret Service outside his closest sphere of protection(since we should not forget that it is the CIA, our "government-within-the-government," that assigns members of the protective detail.)

Trump is still an "elite." The Deep State is probably not all that worried about him. It's not like he's going to disband the CIA (which is what I suspect got the Kennedy's axed.)

Blogger Jack Ward December 17, 2015 8:22 AM  

@2 I don't think Trump has to win Iowa. I suspect he could win a write-in vote; though there are states that don't allow that.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 8:23 AM  

@ 2. Timmy3

You really think the Republican establishment is going to allow an unrigged primary. Amazing.

Anonymous Nxx December 17, 2015 8:28 AM  

Jeb Bush, arguably the worst mainstream candidate in recent history.

If they could pitch Bob Dole, El Jeb is easy.

I don't think it's a case of the Republican establishment making mistakes, it's rather that the cards dealt included a wild card.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier December 17, 2015 8:30 AM  

As my wife, who doesn't actually like Trump, keeps saying, "I'm surprised he's still alive."

She doesn't mean politically alive, she means actually still breathing and not full of bullet holes. That's what I think is the most likely outcome as well, Trump being killed by a "lone crazy."

Blogger kudzu bob December 17, 2015 8:31 AM  

Even though his enemies call him a racist and a Nazi, Trump nonetheless will gain a far greater percentage of the Black and Hispanic vote than any of the other Republican candidates could ever hope to achieve. Ironic.

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 17, 2015 8:32 AM  

Cuckservative, immigration, Muslims, and France - four words that have converged in the past month, catapulting Trump to front-runner status. Trump represents a generational shift in politics...there hasn't been a candidate as brazen and outspoken as he is. It's amazing how he's done so well despite never holding a public office....I guess that just shows people are sick like chipotle of politics as usual

Anonymous grey enlightenment December 17, 2015 8:35 AM  

@8 in 1995, the GOP knew very early on they had no chance , so the worst candidate was nominated to save better ones for later

Blogger Cinco December 17, 2015 8:36 AM  

@#2 Are you high? Who won Iowa last time? Hint, it wasn't McCain. Iowa is tainted by evangelicals, I personally hope Cruz takes it and we see a Trump/Cruz ticket.

Anonymous Anonamus December 17, 2015 8:38 AM  

OT-

Ruh-Roh! Apparently ISIS went to far.

EL CHAPO REPORTEDLY THREATENS ISIS OVER DRUG TRADE
"You are nothing but lowly p*ssies," cartel leader allegedly tells ISIS

Blogger Dire Badger December 17, 2015 8:38 AM  

Now he just has to defeat legions of devoted SJW's worshipping the Billary

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2015 8:40 AM  

Two other articles making the same point:

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2015/12/17/explaining-why-trump-will-be-president-up-close--personal-n2094511

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2015/12/16/its-time-for-the-other-13-candidates-to-drop-out-n2094495

Trump will be the candidate barring some major event. The only question left is who he will choose as his running mate. I'm expecting Cruz.

Anonymous Yes, Nick $earcy! December 17, 2015 8:42 AM  

Did someone say farts??

Blogger Timmy3 December 17, 2015 8:42 AM  

@dienw. Huh? I have no idea. The Republican establishment can rig the convention too, but.... You attributed my comments to a conspiracy theory. What a joke you are. The thing is Trump inevitability makes it difficult.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 17, 2015 8:42 AM  

If Trump can destroy the "racist" word I vote him for Mt Rushmore.

Then the Dartmouth option if necessary can be put in the toolbox

Blogger exfarmkid December 17, 2015 8:43 AM  

Nothing is a foregone conclusion. Six months in politics is forever. We'll see how the ground game plays out in state primaries.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2015 8:47 AM  

> Now he just has to defeat legions of devoted SJW's worshipping the Billary

There are fewer of them than they think. The democrat vote will be down, and Trump will bring in voters the way Reagan did. it may be closer than I'd like, but Trump should win.

Blogger Timmy3 December 17, 2015 8:48 AM  

@cinco. Whoever wins Iowa will likely win the Presidency. That's the trend. So if Cruz wins Iowa, it is likely Hillary will be president. Who win Iowa last time? Not Romney or McCain.

Blogger RC December 17, 2015 8:51 AM  

Having lived for decades in a world built on endless lies, Trump, a man whom I'd categorized as a mere egotistical loon decades ago, has rallied support by speaking a semblance of truth to masses wanting to believe. If nothing else he has proven a courageous man and has won my respect. Let's roll.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 17, 2015 8:51 AM  

MrMantraMan, I had already created the concept design:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/suicidally-stupid-shitlibs/#comment-738708

PA

Blogger rumpole5 December 17, 2015 8:53 AM  

re: “a Secret Service agent there to make sure the deed is done" - Haven't you been following the news reports about the Secret Service scandals? The only reason they were able to detain a knife waving maniac, running down a hallway in the White House, some months ago, was because a holdover agent from the Bush era happened to be there after duty hours. Frankly, Trump is probably safer. Trump has private competent security, not affirmative action buffoons.

Anonymous Uh.... WTF? December 17, 2015 8:54 AM  

"Dartmouth option"?

Blogger rumpole5 December 17, 2015 8:56 AM  

Amen, Brother 5!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 17, 2015 8:56 AM  

WTF from Lind's "Victoria" once the moral level of war is wrested from the evil doers a quick tap of the blade can be administered

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 9:01 AM  

@2: He must win Iowa.

Future presidents who didn't win Iowa, according to Wikipedia:

1976: Carter
1980: Reagan
1988: GHW Bush
1992: Clinton

OK, I grant you that lately it's been 100%, GW Bush in 2000 and Obama in 2008. Let's add future nominees who then failed in November, since the first step it to get the nomination and the establishment wants to stop that, at we fear any cost:

1972: McGovern
1988: Dukakis
2008: McCain
2012: Romney

So both historically and lately it's been an awful predictor of Republicans who get the nomination.

More importantly, Trump is not as dependent on momentum as normally funded candidates, a short set of losses won't automatically end his campaign.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 17, 2015 9:02 AM  

If nothing else he has proven a courageous man and has won my respect. Let's roll.

Victor Hugo's famous maxim applies.

If the Body Politic is so desperate for Trump's candid comments now, what rabbit will be pulled out of the hat when the DJIA is below 6,000 (and falling) and the yield on the 10 year T-note is above 8% (and rising)?

Whatever is coming, it will surely shock even the most cynical and/or rebellious among us. We know for sure that it will leave the Talking Heads of the Old Narrative even more dumbfounded than they are now.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 9:04 AM  

I'm trying not to get my hopes up here. Trump, if he is the Real Deal, will either be assassinated or Diebolded. I don't think they will try the "Look a Like" replacement option for him and his family. Too well known, connected and loved/respected by far too many people.

It wouldn't be like the Kennedies this time around. The situation is too much of a powder-keg where even the rich Americans are getting pissed off.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 9:06 AM  

Lol, did I actually pluralize Kennedys?!? Too early in the morning, herp-derp.

Off to my coffee.

Blogger DaveofSpades December 17, 2015 9:18 AM  

So, it President Clinton II then? Oh well, maybe the camps will have cable.

Anonymous The OASF December 17, 2015 9:20 AM  

I find it amusing that many are vexed by Ron & Rand Paul's inability to soar to Trump heights.

It's very simple. There are only two issues that the American phatties really care about:

1. Illegal immigration, legal immigration, and the various assortments of brown skins over running their communities while successfully hiding behind political correctness.

2. The future of Social Security & Medicare.

On both of these issues Ron and Rand have failed spectacularly and that's why they have both been for the most part non-starters as presidential candidates. Just that simple.

Yes they have championed fidelity to the Constitution. Ron has boldly challenged the Fed. However the white matter of said American phatties brains has been corroded just a bit too much by the fluorinated water to process the importanve of these higher order concepts.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 9:23 AM  

Wow, this thread is really bringing out the crazy conspiracy theories.

Look, our political establishment is shady and controlling, granted. But they can't even convincingly pass Hillary off as honest. They have just enough hubris to convince themselves that they are the all-knowing, all-powerful rulers of the world, but not enough sense to realize that their shoes are untied.

These are exactly the same things that were being featured on liberal forums and radio talk shows in 2008, after Obama won the Dem nomination, btw.

JFK was killed by exactly the kind of man who would have targeted a President who was talking about getting tough with the USSR; JFK wasn't exactly the kind of man who would actually do such a thing, but that was a time in which most people believed the President. Yes, plenty of Establishment players were probably happy he was dead, but if Oswald was a patsy, he was a damn convincing one. RFK is the same way, and Sirhan is similarly a damn convincing patsy.

Both men were exactly the kind of people who would have done what they did, whether there was a conspiracy or not. So the possibility of a conspiracy adds nothing to the events themselves.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:27 AM  

@9 Thomas Davidsmeier

As my wife, who doesn't actually like Trump, keeps saying, "I'm surprised he's still alive."

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Trump seems several steps ahead of the GOPe. I bet he also enjoys thwarting his previous fellow donor class turkeys (is there a name for those guys)?

I bet Trump has considered the 'hit' way before he ran. Hopefully his personal security is ready for it. And if that was to happen, and he survived, he'd be the winner hands down.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 9:28 AM  

So, it President Clinton II then? Oh well, maybe the camps will have cable.

If you're the sort of man who will let you and your family be herded into "camps" on the hopes they'll have cable, you're No True American.

Anonymous The OASF December 17, 2015 9:28 AM  

Keep in mind to not put much stock in the mainstream media's phony polls. Is there really a chance that Jeb Bush is polling around 10%? Or Rubio around 15%? They read the sampling frames to represent elitist votes for establishment candidates. The RNC buys off the polls so they can push their so called splinter strategy. I'd be willing to bet that Trump is winning by way more than what he is polling, and I'm sure they love to sabotage him but at this point he is pretty much fried the rigged diebold voting and polling machines.

Blogger Gaiseric December 17, 2015 9:28 AM  

On both of these issues Ron and Rand have failed spectacularly and that's why they have both been for the most part non-starters as presidential candidates. Just that simple.

It's even more simple. Trump has masculine charisma. The Pauls, as intellectual as they are, which appeals to many, are beta males with whiny voices. In the era of newsprint before women could vote, they could have won. In the era of television, or heck, even radio, they're toast.

Anonymous Olof December 17, 2015 9:29 AM  

Democrats are praying Trump is nominated. And praying hard. They just might take the Senate too if Trump is the Nomonee. Can you say "Goldwater"?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 9:29 AM  

@36

I bet Trump has considered the 'hit' way before he ran. Hopefully his personal security is ready for it. And if that was to happen, and he survived, he'd be the winner hands down.

This is exactly why I consider a hit unlikely.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 9:31 AM  

@40


I say this as someone who wants Cruz to win: Cruz is Goldwater. Trump is closer to Nixon.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:32 AM  

Now i'm hearing some people murmur about the left setting Trump up for the blame when there is another terrorist attack.

I guess they are taking all the negativity from his call to ban all muslims from coming to the US.
- Saudi Prince calling for DJT to drop out of the race.
- Cameron wants to ban Trump from the UK.

- Various businesses want to remove his name from projects.

- The school girl survivor of the taliban is now a muslim concern troll worried about Trump better dial it back.

All of those are from recent articles on Breitbart.

But it seems to me that if an attack happens, Trump can simply say "See, I told you so! If we kept them out this never would have happened."

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 9:32 AM  

As popular as Trump is, I'm still concerned about the potential for the older voters who "don't get it" to just not show up in November.

Think about it this way: Instapundit still seems to remain convinced that Trump is there to pave the way for Clinton because of how whenever something controversial for Clinton pops up, Trump says something scandalous.

This of course is ridiculous, because Clinton's been perfectly able to hide her skeletons long before Trump was a candidate.

But still, if it comes November and it's Trump vs Hillary... what will people like PJ do? I'm pretty sure they're just going to sit out of it because they're convinced Trump is up to no good and is just there for Hillary, instead of simply voting against Hillary.

Anonymous WillBest December 17, 2015 9:36 AM  

GOPe would have won if they backed Cruz back in late September when it became apparent that Trump wasn't a fad.

Trump's general prognosis however is troubling because he is banking heavily on the GOPe playing nice, and we know their candidate will be Hillary. Keep in mind that for all his bluster about not being bought, and that he can use his own money, he has no intention to do that. His campaign is largely media financed. What I mean they keep talking about him for free. Outside of that Trump has spent $2 million of his own money, $4 million of donations, and assumed another $2 million in debt. $8 million to be the front runner while campaigning for 5 months.

You know Hillary is going to get a pass on her criminal behavior, selling weapons to ISIS, blaming some poor schlub for her botched weapons sale, receiving top secret emails on her unsecured private server, lying to the families of service deceased US operatives, etc. If Trump wants that out there he is going to need to spend the cash to do it.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:37 AM  

@11 grey enlightenment

Cuckservative, immigration, Muslims, and France ---

I think another good chunk of his appeal is taking on PC and the media. Every of his speeches I've seen he singles them out in the audience and gives them a verbal wedgie.

Blogger Cinco December 17, 2015 9:38 AM  

@That would be telling.

Where are you getting that info? Santorum won in 2012 and Huckabee won in 2008 check your sources bro.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 9:40 AM  

@45

Cruz terrifies them in a way that Trump doesn't. The Democrats look at it the same way: Cruz is a conservative ideologue, and Trump is not. Trump - a businessman to the core - would compromise to cut a half-decent deal, whereas Cruz would happily veto the national budget if it didn't have what he wanted in it, and damn the government shutdown.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:40 AM  

@15 Dire Badger

Now he just has to defeat legions of devoted SJW's worshipping the Billary
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VD mentioned in SJWAL that a lot of them are depressed and on various meds. Maybe we can come up with a plan to trigger the **** out of them early november next year, and they will stay home wallowing in their deflating bubbles :P

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 9:41 AM  

@42: White Knight Leo #0368:

I say this as someone who wants Cruz to win: Cruz is Goldwater. Trump is closer to Nixon.

Nixon with the charm?

Moderate domestically, non-interventionist hawk abroad?

I don't remember Nixon being big on foreign interventions, but having inherited Vietnam, much like Trump would inherit our sandbox fun, including 10,000 men in Afghanistan....

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 9:45 AM  

@WillBest
Trump's general prognosis however is troubling because he is banking heavily on the GOPe playing nice, and we know their candidate will be Hillary. Keep in mind that for all his bluster about not being bought, and that he can use his own money, he has no intention to do that.

He's simply had no need to use his own money at this point. I wouldn't assume that he has no intention to, but rather he's not going to blow money when he doesn't have to right now.

I wouldn't put his low spending numbers up as an interpretation that he's relying on the GOPe to be nice. Rather, if he's suspicious about GOPe rigging the election and supporting Hillary, what's the best move for him then? As far as I can tell, it would be basically be winning the moral and morale level of that war - if he's in the right, it's far more likely he'll get a popular swing to him if it comes out the establishment he was nice and working with completely screwed him over.

If he's a complete dick to them publically, that rhetoric isn't nearly as effective.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:46 AM  

@17 Yes, Nick $earcy!

Did someone say farts??
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Hi Nick. yes, farts bring us all together in a shared experience, even cows, dogs and fish.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 9:46 AM  

@50

Sure, with charm. But my point is that Goldwater was a conservative ideologue who was pilloried by the media. Nixon was similarly pilloried, but he was not an ideologue (hence affirmative action and the EPA).

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 9:48 AM  

@47: Cinco:

Where are you getting that info? Santorum won in 2012 and Huckabee won in 2008 check your sources bro.

Sorry for not being painfully explicit. McCain and Romney both lost in Iowa but nonetheless won the nomination. So while that point doesn't address @22 Timmy3's expansion of his thesis, that to win the election you must win in Iowa, it does address our host's implicit point that Trump could lose in Iowa and still win the nomination.

Anonymous WillBest December 17, 2015 9:49 AM  

@45 Cruz has no problem compromising with the Chamber of Commerce. And if he started vetoing it, you would find the GOPe compromising with the Deems to move stuff through.

Trump is more dangerous precisely because he doesn't need congress to do what he is asking. He would already have the power to build the fence, deport the illegal, and stop Muslims from coming here. Congress would need to change the law over his veto to stop him.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 9:51 AM  

@40 - How is that bad for us? It's when average European-Americans realize that USG has zero interest in them and they have nothing to gain by remaining loyal that the change most here wish to see will become possible. The quickest way to ensure that happens is for the USG to be seen as a Black-Latino-Asian controlled solid Blue state with loser European-American support of the kind that thinks both the First and Second Amendments are negotiable.

We're the Bolsheviks, man. The Worse, The Better...until it's No More Foreign Wars and All Power to the White Committees time.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 9:59 AM  

ROFL - Chris Matthews interviewed by the Train guy?

Is the leg fine?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 10:00 AM  

@53 White Knight Leo #0368:

Oh yeah, I remember Nixon not being an "ideologue", having come of political age during his first term. For us, the biggest thing there besides the brilliant China gambit was the not so brilliant wage and price controls, which were much more in your face than affirmative action and the EPA, which were probably inevitable given the Zeitgeist. OSHA as well, who's inane regulations were was used to pillory Democrats in the later part of the decade, such as "a cowboy riding across the range with a portable toilet on top of a pack horse" in Malcolm Wallop's political ad.

It was a nice counterpoint to that generation's Obama, Jimmy Carter. Although at this point Obama is now dueling with Wilson for Worst President Ever.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 17, 2015 10:01 AM  

I'm not sure Trump's nomination is a done deal. He's leading the polls, but at ~35%. Not enough to win.

Cruz is playing a very, very cunning game. He's essentially told the GOP grandees that he's the only candidate who can beat Trump (mostly by being a more palatable version of Trump). But the GOPe needs to take the rest of the field out for Cruz. Cruz understands that whoever the Republican nominee is, he will have started with less than 30% support - and will have to reunify the party rank-and-file in order to win.

FWIW, Trump will NOT be another Goldwater. He's already got a media persona as The Tycoon Who Gets Things Done. The Propaganda Press will try to smear him, but they aren't working with a blank slate this time.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 10:02 AM  

@33 DaveofSpades

So, it President Clinton II then? Oh well, maybe the camps will have cable.
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Trump: Hillary has no energy or stamina
Hitlery: I t'aint in no ways tarred

Xhe needs some tips from Uncle Joe, he's way more exciting hollering about CHAINS

Blogger Dire Badger December 17, 2015 10:04 AM  

@Were-Puppy-

Triggering them should be easy, in fact it is already happening as Obamacare dramatically comes up short.

Of course, as VD says, "SJW's always double down."

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 10:07 AM  

@39 Gaiseric

It's even more simple. Trump has masculine charisma. The Pauls, as intellectual as they are, which appeals to many, are beta males with whiny voices. In the era of newsprint before women could vote, they could have won. In the era of television, or heck, even radio, they're toast.
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Video Killed the Radio Star

Blogger Neanderserk December 17, 2015 10:08 AM  

The American presidency in decline: From wooden teeth to wooden nickel.

Still better than a prolapsed-Muslim homosexual Kenyan.

This is going to be Hillarious.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 10:09 AM  

@40 Olof

Olof
Folo
Fool

Anonymous The OASF December 17, 2015 10:11 AM  

I'm sure that's a factor. But if Trump would have taken the stands of the Pauls on those two issues he would be at Lindsey Graham polling numbers right now, regardless of his gravitas.

Blogger Dire Badger December 17, 2015 10:12 AM  

@were-puppy-
The problem is that the talking heads and politicos apparently have NO idea what Trump means by 'Energy'. they never read his book, or worked an honest day in their life.

I think he needs to use a different term. Like... "Ethics".

Blogger Red Jack December 17, 2015 10:13 AM  

The GOP will disband before they let Trump in.

For a distrustful ahole like me, this has been clear for a while. What surprises me is how many true GOP believers are shocked.

For the first time, I', looking forward to the Caucasus. It is going to be rather amusing to watch the country and state conventions try to steal the delegates away from Trump. Of course, being this close to the end of this phase of government is a bit of a ride.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 10:18 AM  

One of two things are going to happen:

1) Trump gets elected (Okay, this actually is not going to happen, as Hillary! will win, but let's pretend). Finds out the President doesn't have the power of a CEO, not even close. He can't fire, can't hire, can't control funding, can't kill programs that don't work, can't give orders to the Permanent Govt.

Result: European-Americans continue to hold out hope that proper reform could restore the U.S. to being their country.

2) Hilary wins. Blacks spike the football, Latinos continue to double, then triple in population, Asians become a growing issue as real Asians eclipse our traditional Japanese-American population. SJWs make serious inroads against the First Amendment, on Hate Speech grounds, and the Second Amendment, by linking shootings with terrorism. Walking on eggshells around Muslims becomes mandatory.

Result: European-American becomes alienated against USG, begins to realize it's not their country anymore, so why not a new one?

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 10:23 AM  

@66 Dire Badger

@were-puppy-
The problem is that the talking heads and politicos apparently have NO idea what Trump means by 'Energy'. they never read his book, or worked an honest day in their life.

I think he needs to use a different term. Like... "Ethics".

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I've seen a couple of his speeches now. What it seems he is referring to is the work part, imo. He's all over the place morning, noon, and night. He says Hillary does one boring event, and disappears for 6 days. Says she is at home sleeping.

I think it's more of the "I get stuff done, and fast" angle.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 10:23 AM  

68. Jourdan


Trump gets elected .... Finds out the President doesn't have the power of a CEO, not even close. He can't fire, can't hire, can't control funding, can't kill programs that don't work, can't give orders to the Permanent Govt.

Ahem... All the laws congress passed giving Obama extra-constitutional powers will still viable; so will all of Obama's executive orders: President Trump can clean house down to ground.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 10:23 AM  

While it of course lies, Cruz's logo of course has a color flare, tell me if you can tell which candidate for the nomination is not drinking from the same Republican consultant ecosystem fountain in this Wikipedia gallery of logos.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 10:25 AM  

...be...
I should have written "down to the sub-flooring."

Blogger Timmy3 December 17, 2015 10:28 AM  

"Future presidents who didn't win Iowa, according to Wikipedia:
1976: Carter
1980: Reagan
1988: GHW Bush
1992: Clinton"

I noticed that Reagan had GHWBush (Iowa winner) as his running mate so this helped. Trump will be helped if he gets Cruz as VP candidate and Cruz's organization. If he gets someone like Cruz, it might work too. GHWBush picked Dan Quayle who is a little like Bob Dole. This didn't work for John Kerry who picked John Edwards.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 10:36 AM  

For the Cruz worshipers:
Ted Cruz is a Canadian, and not eligible to be President of these United States, no more than Barack Hussein Obama Chin was. Birther Obama and Birtha Cruz are both legal subjects of the Queen in one has a Kenyan name on the birth abstract roots and one has a Canadian birth certificate by his Cuban father.

This is for all of you who love to talk guns.

Cruz is a fraud. Wake up. If Trump is foolish enough to have Cruz as VP, Cruz will undermine him at every opportunity; and if Cruz become president, he will undo all of Trumps reforms; just as HWB did to Reagan.

Blogger The Other Robot December 17, 2015 10:38 AM  

This guy thinks a lot of us are "down in the gutter with Trump."

Another bought and paid for pundit.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 10:39 AM  

@73

If I understand what's been happening, Cruz has already made peace with the notion that he won't win, and is trying to position himself as a good choice for Trump's VP. I really wanted the reverse, but it's going to take something absolutely massive for Cruz to overtake Trump now.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 10:43 AM  

@74

Sorry, that's not how it works. Cruz's father was a citizen when he was born, and our laws about citizenship make Cruz an American citizen by birth. Unfortunately, the only way Obama could have been ineligible is if his mother was not actually a citizen when he was born. He could actually have been born in Kenya and still been President, so long as his mother never renounced her citizenship.

And what that guy wrote is less well-written and well-sourced than a Buzzfeed article. And is about as trustworthy and reliable.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2015 10:46 AM  

> 2. The future of Social Security & Medicare.

No one is willing to admit it, but they have no long term future. They're both bankrupt.

> But still, if it comes November and it's Trump vs Hillary... what will people like PJ do?

They're neo-cons. They'll probably vote for Hillary. But then they'll never support a candidate the republican base would like.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 10:47 AM  

Jeez guys, if you're going to talk about acquisition of citizenship when born abroad, at least do the basic research. As a former consular officer who has issued hundreds of Consular Reports of Birth Abroad, it is painful to watch you guys get the law so very, very wrong, and so regularly.

Blogger James Dixon December 17, 2015 10:47 AM  

> Democrats are praying Trump is nominated. And praying hard. They just might take the Senate too if Trump is the Nomonee. Can you say "Goldwater"?

Go away, Tad.

Blogger David of One December 17, 2015 10:52 AM  

Not quite off-topic ...

For their betrayals, Cryin' Ryan should similarly be remembered like Cheat Justice Robberts for evermore ... The Sucking Cucker Ryan should be remembered for being a Prostrated Gobbler of Obama. The head-bobbing polishing knobber betrayer is the Sucking Cucker Ryan.

Any surprise is overshadowed by the shock at scale of the betrayal of the Sucking Cucker.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 10:53 AM  

@67 Red Jack:

The GOP will disband before they let Trump in.

Nowadays political parties don't really control themselves, although I can see the party establishment trying.

For the first time, I', looking forward to the Caucasus. It is going to be rather amusing to watch the country and state conventions try to steal the delegates away from Trump.

They'll no doubt try, but the numbers aren't there. going again to Wikipedia, the schedule doesn't give undue weight to caucuses until and except for March 5th, and the numbers of delegates are 481 for all caucuses and 1989 for all primaries. Again according to Wikipedia, there are "generally" 3 Republican superdelegates per state, adding another 150 (the Democrats have a much wilder superdelegate system, but not to date the nerve to actually use it).

They're going to have to openly steal the nomination from Trump if he does well in the primaries, which their rules changes in 2012 would allow, but ... going back to your first point, that sure looks like it would effectively disband the party unless Trump wins the election as an independent and for some reason decides to pick up the pieces instead of forming a new party. The Republican donor class is nothing without enough votes to keep their people in power.

As Student in Blue @51 points out, to date Trump is playing nice with the party establishment, which gives him a lot more room to maneuver if they try to cheat too hard.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 17, 2015 10:58 AM  

My understanding is that you can be a citizen at birth but still not be a natural born citizen. Cruz gained his US citizenship at birth but only through a law that was passed previously, allowing those born under Cruz's circumstances to gain citizenship at birth. Cruz is a statue citizen but not a natural born citizen.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 17, 2015 10:59 AM  

That is "statute citizen"

Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 11:01 AM  

@48 "Cruz terrifies them in a way that Trump doesn't."

I don't think that's true. Do you remember the Iran deal, and that vote? 98-1... and Ted Cruz was not the 1 against, here is what Se. Tom Cotton said about his opposition vote:
"A nuclear-arms agreement with any adversary—especially the terror-sponsoring, Islamist Iranian regime—should be submitted as a treaty and obtain a two-thirds majority vote in the Senate as required by the Constitution."

Now, I don't know about you, but I would think that a "constitutional lawyer" would know that... of course Obama DOES prove a counterexample.

"The Democrats look at it the same way: Cruz is a conservative ideologue, and Trump is not."

I don't think this is true; Cruz seems [to me] to be about appearing as conservative, not actually being one. If he was, wouldn't he admit that his birth in Canada to a Cuban father really DOES disqualify him from the presidency?

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 11:04 AM  

Wait - there are still idiots who think Trump is a plant for Hillary? FFS. Trump is on track to possibly electorally best Reagan and have a yuuuge mandate and could buy BillyJeff 10x over, but he's *REALLY* just in it to turn it over the shrill, marxist, Alinsky-worshipping harpy who partially caused the current ME mess through utter incompetence because he once gave them money and they went to his wedding? Seriously?

The top .01% richest crowd might not be that diverse but it is small, they all know each other, and have to do business with each other. And with the corrupt government that we have at all levels you need to grease the skids with "donations." Kind of like all of Hillary's business buddies buying State Dept approval of dealings when she was SoS. "But why's he not attacking her!?!" Because it's the freaking Republican primaries. Focus. He owns his negatives, how is he going to lose on the "corrupt political ties" comparison against Hillary?

Anonymous No, no, no December 17, 2015 11:09 AM  

It's not like he's going to disband the CIA (which is what I suspect got the Kennedy's axed.)

No, it was his poor choice of Vice President, and failure to get rid of him via the Bobby Baker scandal before going to Dallas.

JFK was killed by exactly the kind of man who would have targeted a President who was talking about getting tough with the USSR

Except JFK wasn't talking tough about the USSR in 1963. He was talking nice - we all live on the same planet, American University speech, partial test ban etc.

The goal was to pin it on a pro-Cuban to provide a pretext for invading Cuba afterward, though LBJ backed away from that plan when he got in office.

Blogger Dexter December 17, 2015 11:09 AM  

The GOP will disband before they let Trump in.

LOL, what's the downside?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:10 AM  

@85

If he was, wouldn't he admit that his birth in Canada to a Cuban father really DOES disqualify him from the presidency?

It doesn't, hence the lack of any admission. But the fact that they fear him more than Trump is actually what I've been hearing on liberal blogs; many of them believe (rightly or wrongly) that Cruz would be far less willing to compromise and negotiate on things like taxation, regulation, Obamacare, and Planned Parenthood than Trump would be.

Anonymous The OASF December 17, 2015 11:10 AM  

Where have you been? Even fat bastard Christie admitted in the first debate that SS & M are bankrupt because the Pentagon stole all of the money and replaced the funds with worthless IOU's.

Blogger Dexter December 17, 2015 11:11 AM  

For the first time, I', looking forward to the Caucasus.

That's what the Wehrmacht said in the summer of 1942.

Blogger Quadko December 17, 2015 11:11 AM  

I wish two things about Trump:
• I wish I hadn't learned he's a "Republican" from his presidential campaign.
• I wish I trusted his word: that anything he's said has anything to do with the decisions he'll make in office.

I'll vote for him on the ticket, but I still have the impression he's an unpredictable lifelong Democrat who's as likely to follow Obama's agenda as not. Every time I hear him I'm left with the impression that we've been successfully trolled. Historically he's just too good at winning conversations and too bad at delivering on actions - especially verbal ones not signed into contract.

A Trump presidency is going to be an emotional roll of the dice. We might win the toss...

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 11:12 AM  

@77. White Knight Leo #0368
Disqualify like an SWJ much? Cruz kept his Canadian citizenship into his adulthood. And to be a natural born citizen means to have both, let me repeat that for you, both parents, as American citizens; this is despite the heavy editing on online definitions of what is a natural born citizen just before Obama ran for office.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:13 AM  

@87

Did you not notice that we had already invaded Cuba when Oswald killed him? Oswald was a Communist Castroite partisan who had already tried to immigrate to the USSR. He even lived there for a while before the Soviets eventually sent him home. He even tried to stage a suicide to force them to let him stay.

Secondly, JFK was talking tough in 1962. And Oswald had already taken a shot (and missed) at another figure, a general whose name I forget, by that point. If he was a patsy, he was the most convincing damn patsy anyone ever nabbed.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 11:14 AM  

I'm thinking... it might get really, really ugly if it's Trump vs Hillary.

It'll start out congenial between Trump and Hillary, Hillary probably doing something like "Trump doesn't have the right idea, we need XYZ and it's just obvious" with typical leftist posturing of intellectual superiority. Trump will probably do something like "I love Hillary, she's been a great friend, but she won't make America great with her policies. We need to focus on our people first!"

As it gets closer to November Hillary will get more and more nervous, and get straight up nasty with mudslinging, lies, and attempts to fabricate evidence. Trump will respond with nuclear rhetoric.

Oh, what a show it will be.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:14 AM  

@93

You're expecting me to believe something on the basis of an article best described as a rant, referencing no sources and no hard facts.

Further, cite a law or judicial precedent to the effect that it requires both parents to be natural-born citizen, please.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 11:15 AM  

@68 "Trump gets elected (Okay, this actually is not going to happen, as Hillary! will win, but let's pretend). Finds out the President doesn't have the power of a CEO, not even close. He can't fire, can't hire, can't control funding, can't kill programs that don't work, can't give orders to the Permanent Govt."

Ob, but there are so many dick moves that the President can do.

For example, citing Roe v. Wade's "constitutional right to privacy of medical records" to toss out ObamaCare… (after all, a law contrary the Constitution is invalid) at that point the only way for the USSC to keep the ACA would be to overturn Roe.

Prosecuting the NSA for their disregard of the 4th? Or, if that's verboten, reassign them to collecting physical intelligence… yep, make them pick up all the trash the illegals have left in our deserts, and w/o cell-phones, we can't have our comms intercepted, right?

Seriously, you just aren't thinking creatively enough.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 11:16 AM  

WKL: "Sorry, that's not how it works. Cruz's father was a citizen when he was born"

Do you have a link for that? Wikipedia says his father became a naturalized citizen in 2005.

Cruz's mother was a citizen from birth and Ted was born in Calgary.

The problem is convincing all of the Obama birthers that Ted is eligible when he is observably less so than Obama. (Obama provided the uncorroborated fig leaf of saying he was born in Hawaii.) (I don't care either way - the rules were thrown out by the uniparty so the uniparty must be destroyed by any means necessary. Cruz is decidedly NOT a sufficient means.)

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:16 AM  

@93

I know of no law requiring someone to have never held dual citizenship to be President of the US. It might be unseemly to you, but no actual rules require it. I would accept that a candidate could not maintain dual citizenship in order to hold public office, but so long as he gave up his Canadian citizenship before seeking his first elected office, I don't see the problem.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:17 AM  

@98

Sorry, you're right, I had it backwards. His mother was the citizen. Apologies.

Blogger B.J. December 17, 2015 11:19 AM  

I've talked to more than a few conservatives who think the only path to victory is to find a candidate who appeals to democrats. That may or may not be wise, but what's incredibly stupid is they think the candidate with wide moderate appeal is Jeb Fucking Bush, brother of The Great Satan. It's hard to overstate how much the Bush family name is despised in liberal circles (I would know).

So the funny thing is, as a liberal who is absolutely disgusted with the left's power-mad totalitarianism and anti-white dogma, Trump is the only candidate who appeals to me.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

@77 White Knight Leo #0368:

@74

[...]

And what that guy wrote is less well-written and well-sourced than a Buzzfeed article. And is about as trustworthy and reliable.


The gun bit is so Gun Culture 1.0, that Cruz is not a wing-shooter, or hunter, is entirely irrelevant to the modern self-defense and target shooting oriented new US gun culture, although I'm not pleased with that picture of him carrying his shotgun with his hand over the trigger guard.

But by ostensibly going on a hunt, he's making a cultural statement, and that's of value, and he came off much better than many previous pretenders.

Trump is more likely one of us with his concealed carry license and needing it in NYC, but I'm not aware of Cruz ever voting, or even saying anything anti-gun.

Blogger dienw December 17, 2015 11:20 AM  

@ 96. White Knight Leo #0368
Do your own damn research. You're demonstrating why Vox refused to put footnotes in his new book.

Blogger Dragon fang December 17, 2015 11:21 AM  

It is sad how untrustworthy populist Trump is. He has potential of doing good if his negative qualities were temporary media baiting and pandering to demographies, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Anonymous No, no, no December 17, 2015 11:21 AM  

Did you not notice that we had already invaded Cuba when Oswald killed him?

Not with the US Army, dumbass. The idea was not to use lame-o exiles, but to use American forces and do it right.

Oswald was a Communist Castroite partisan who had already tried to immigrate to the USSR.

He didn't just "try". He actually lived there. Which was manifestly an intelligence op. He was one of many (fake) American defectors.

Secondly, JFK was talking tough in 1962.

Um, and JFK was shot in late 1963, when he had completely changed his tune. Any pinko would realize that killing JFK would only bring to power the hard-line Cold Warrior LBJ.

And Oswald had already taken a shot (and missed) at another figure, a general whose name I forget, by that point.

Walker.

If he was a patsy, he was the most convincing damn patsy anyone ever nabbed.

Not really. Many, many holes have been poked in his supposed motives for killing JFK.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:21 AM  

@101

It's an argument that I can accept, given Trump's rather significant appeal to conservative Democrats.

Look, I want Cruz, but I'm willing to acknowledge that him winning now would require Trump endorsing him. That may still happen, but it becomes less likely as the days pass.

I don't like a lot of Trump's policies, but I'm well past the point where I'm willing to accept a flawed candidate for the sake of spitting in the Establishment's faces.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 17, 2015 11:22 AM  

Wow, this thread is really bringing out the crazy conspiracy theories.

1492....The Carribean

Arawak:"Look, on the horizon, strange clouds..."

Carib: "The cloud is fine"

Arawak:"But it is shaped like a rectangle and has these markings on.."

Carib: "The cloud is FINE! Good day"

Arawak: "But.."

Carib:"I said good DAY sir!"

Blogger Timmy3 December 17, 2015 11:22 AM  

"Cruz kept his Canadian citizenship into his adulthood."

Many people don't do anything with their second citizenship. It is more hassle than its worth to refute it. The only issue is if you find yourself returning and there is mandatory military service. Many countries don't have procedures to revoke an unclaimed citizenship. At minimum, you're not a current resident. You can't vote unless you have an address and established residency. So Cruz has nothing to worry about. This is politics.

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 11:23 AM  

I don't see the problem.

Leo, with all due respect, you never see any problem until it is explained to you several times.

Magically dropping your dual-citizenship doesn't eliminate your true allegiances. You're confusing paperwork for reality.

Anonymous Andrew E. December 17, 2015 11:23 AM  

Here is a scholarly (but not too long) look at Cruz's eligibility with proper citations to law and Supreme Court decisions.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2015/03/a-response-to-neil-katyal-and-paul.html

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 11:26 AM  

@105

His own wife testified that she believed it, and she was a former citizen of the USSR. She was the one who revealed that he took at shot at Walker as well, from what I understand.

Further, you're approaching this as though you assume Oswald was sane. Most Communist partisans were not entirely sane. That JFK changed his mind, or that it was mostly the exiles who invaded Cuba, hardly mattered; JFK took swipes at the USSR, and that was enough to cement him in Oswald's mind.

Think about it. Would anyone who heard and was angered by "you didn't build that" change their minds about Obama if he started a pro-small business campaign today? Of course not.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 11:27 AM  

"Many people don't do anything with their second citizenship." Dual allegiances are not a problem if you're a natural born citizen.

Anonymous A Visitor December 17, 2015 11:28 AM  

"Game, set, match, tournament and whatever they say in bocce."

LOL, finally helped ref some bocce matches last summer. It's addicting!

Did anyone else get a kick out of when the Donald Pwned Bush by calling him out on his "illegal immigration is an act of love,"? Bush looked like he was gonna have a cerebral hemorrhage.

"Oh, and yes, Donald mumbled something about killing the family members of terrorists"

All the cucks got upset at that but what does their favorite country Israel do? Oh that's right, they bulldoze their family members' homes!

"I wouldn't count out the inevitable shenanigans on the part of the Republican establishment. But regardless of their best efforts, it is obvious that Trump has successfully defied every expectation and prediction of his collapse."

Neither would I. Remember that he wasn't serious, then he wouldn't be in the game post December?

@1 They probably not going that far. They are willing to put someone else in his place as a nominee though. They've proven that.

@2 That's what I've been saying: Trump/Cruz would be unstoppable.

@11 This is what the GOP establishment's reaction to Trump's staying is. Amazing what a 12 gauge shotgun can do to a synthetic head full of chicken livers and blood, ain't it?

@14 I saw that. Man, what a great day that'd be: El Chapo's group and ISIS slugging it out and both destroyed at days end.

@43 When a Saudi prince who enjoys watching dwarf tossing wants him to resign from the race, you know he's on the right path. I really am convinced to that the attack in San Bernardino propelled him further up in the polls.

@44 If they do, and if Hillary is elected (that is if she's still in the race, the FBI has confirmed classified TS e-mails were on her server), they'll have nobody to blame but themselves. For the first time, that I can remember in my lifetime, we actually have a candidate that at least pays lip service to putting the U.S. first.

@56 No, we're the Whites. The rest are the Reds.

@79 What embassies/consulates, out of curiosity? I was at Embassy Managua in summer 2011.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 17, 2015 11:30 AM  

Everyone knows it was the other LBJ Lady Bird....

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 11:33 AM  

@109 VD:

Magically dropping your dual-citizenship doesn't eliminate your true allegiances. You're confusing paperwork for reality.

I've not seen anyone allege Cruz has a true allegiance to Canada besides his living there until his family moved to Texas when he was 3.

The paperwork is indeed paperwork, it's his obvious Hispanic allegiances, certainly not tempered by growing up in Texas, that concern me. Seeing as how I agree with you that immigration is the #1 issue right now, and perhaps go further and say it far outweighs gun control and the Fed. We don't get a handle on that and one way or another we'll be seeing Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood.

Anonymous The Scarf December 17, 2015 11:37 AM  

@ 96, according to the 1875 Supreme Court decision, Minor vs. Happersett, a natural born citizen is defined as the following: The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Ergo, upon this constitutional definition, a natural born citizen is one with two citizen parents, born on the soil of the country. It has been decided, but again, the republicrat party disregards the rules for their own benefit.

Anonymous WillBest December 17, 2015 11:41 AM  

It doesn't, hence the lack of any admission. But the fact that they fear him more than Trump is actually what I've been hearing on liberal blogs;

If you listened to liberal blogs the candidates most likely to win the general are Graham and Kasich.

at that point the only way for the USSC to keep the ACA would be to overturn Roe.

You don't know how the SC works, they would distinguish it when challenged. And it would be easy because they have 1000 pages of abortion mumbo jumbo.


---

The citizenship stuff is Constitution 1.0. This is Constitution 2.0. It means whatever the people in power want it to mean. Would be funny to see liberals all of a sudden concerned about that provision of the Constitution though.


Anonymous John VI December 17, 2015 11:52 AM  

The party is unified in keeping cruz out. Of the 13 (?) Candidates only 3 are in the process of completing the paperwork, in each state, to be on the ballot as president. Trump cruz and bush. And those deadlines are up in a couple of weeks for some of them. That means the rest of those "candidates" are strawmen specifically there to pull polling numbers and strategically drop out throughout the year, transfering thier support to Bush. That means, depending on the poll source, up to 50% of polling numbers are worthless or placeholders at best. But trump keeps stealing too many numbers when they drop out because bush has 0 charisma. Trump is eating them alive because of this plan they put together in 2012. Sucks to be GOPe right now cause changing the plan will cause civil war inside the party allowing trump to win, And sticking to the plan means trump wins. Fun times. Invest in popcorn futures.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 11:53 AM  

@77 "Cruz's father was a citizen when he was born."

Really?
[Rafael Cruz] became a Canadian citizen during his residence in Canada, returning to the United States with his family in the mid-'70s. He renounced his Canadian citizenship and in 2005 became a naturalized U.S. citizen.Wikipedia

Why would he need to become a US Citizen in 2005 if he was a US Citizen at the time of Ted's birth?

"our laws about citizenship make Cruz an American citizen by birth."

Yes, our naturalization laws; if you appeal to federal law, you must needs be applying naturalization law.

Given the Law of Nations definition (“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”), and that the entire purpose of the Natural-Born Citizen clause is to keep the office of President from having any divided loyalties (precisely because he controls the US's armies), the case for the argument that Cruz is eligible is pretty bad.

Anonymous Olof December 17, 2015 11:54 AM  

Watching Trump debate one realizes he has very little idea of how Washington work nor much idea of US history, it's capabilities, and nothing about long standing policy.

It will make for very embarrassing debates against the far more experienced Hillary.

There is going to be lots of second guessing. And evangelicals and the conservative base will both realize, "he is nothing like us".

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 11:56 AM  

Thanks for the link Andrew E. That conforms with the (amateur) research I did 8 years ago. Always read the original sources.

For example, Law of Nations is cited as a contemporaneous work. After skimming some of it I think I'll add it to my reading list.
http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm
"§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

I'm glad for this blog specifically and the alt-right for helping us rediscover our national sanity.

Blogger John Wright December 17, 2015 12:04 PM  

For myself, I am glad Jeb is failing. I will never forgive him for standing idly by while Terry Schiavo was medically murdered on his watch. He could have sent in the Florida troopers and told the freakish judge who ordered her death to suck eggs.

Blogger The Other Robot December 17, 2015 12:04 PM  

It will make for very embarrassing debates against the far more experienced Hillary.

Experienced at what? Lying?

Also, how can we be sure she will have the energy for any debates?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 12:05 PM  

@83 "Cruz is a statute citizen but not a natural born citizen."

Exactly so.

@88 "> The GOP will disband before they let Trump in.

LOL, what's the downside?"

There is no downside.

@112 "Dual allegiances are not a problem if you're a natural born citizen."

Indeed, that's the whole point of NBC: that you allegiances are only to the United States.

Blogger Nick S December 17, 2015 12:09 PM  

Trump is the Antichrist!

Oh come on, somebody is bound to make a Youtube video about it sooner or later. I'm just getting ahead of the curve.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 12:13 PM  

@125 Nick S:

Trump is the Antichrist!

Oh come on, somebody is bound to make a Youtube video about it sooner or later.


How about "Hitler learns he's not the Antichrist, Trump is"?

Anonymous BGS December 17, 2015 12:20 PM  

"We can't disassociate ourselves from peace-loving Muslims." - Jeb Bush

At least when NASA's job was space exploration/ finding life in the universe, there was a higher chance than their new job of finding a peaceful moslem.

Blogger Jourdan December 17, 2015 12:30 PM  

El Pais reports:

El presidente ruso, Vladímir Putin, alabó este jueves al político estadounidense Donald Trump, al que calificó de persona "muy brillante" y "líder absoluto" en la carrera presidencial republicana en Estados Unidos.

"Es una persona muy brillante y de talento, sin duda alguna. No es asunto nuestro destacar sus cualidades, pero es el líder absoluto en la carrera presidencial", afirmó Putin en su multitudinaria conferencia de prensa anual.

Putin destacó que "Trump dice que quiere pasar a otro nivel de relaciones con Rusia, a unas relaciones más sólidas y profundas". "¿Acaso podemos no saludar esto? Naturalmente, nosotros lo saludamos", señaló.

Translation:
The Russian President, Vladimir Putin, praised the American politician Donald Trump, referring to him as "very brilliant" and an "absolute leader" in the Republican presidential campaign in the U.S.

"He's a very brilliant guy, of much talent, there's no doubt at all about that. It's not our business to determine his qualifications, but he is the absolute leader in their presidential campaign," said Putin during his end-of-the-year annual press conference.

Putin noted that "Trump said that he wants to move their relations with Russia to another level, a more solid and profound level....How can we not salute this? Natuarally, we salute him," he remarked.

Anonymous SevenCrimes December 17, 2015 12:31 PM  

Watching Trump debate one realizes he has very little idea of how Washington work nor much idea of US history, it's capabilities, and nothing about long standing policy.

It will make for very embarrassing debates against the far more experienced Hillary.


If you keep repeating this, you're bound to convince someone it's true.

Hillary can barely hold her own onstage against the pant-shitting, senile Sanders who gives campaign speeches in mosques to prove how "in touch" he is with the American people. The last time she faced a halfway-decent debater with any kind of personal charisma was 2008, and that turned out great for her, didn't it?

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 12:36 PM  

@Jourdan

But Putin is Hitler!

And Trump is Hitler!

This can't be allowed to pass!

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 17, 2015 12:40 PM  

@120 thanks for your concern. We all know how much you sympathize with "Evangelicals and the conservative base". I know I always take advice from my enemies.

Blogger Nick S December 17, 2015 12:48 PM  

How about "Hitler learns he's not the Antichrist, Trump is"?

That would be hilarious.

Anonymous Olof December 17, 2015 12:51 PM  

Basement,

It's not concern nor advice. It's observation. Want advice? Invest in land.

Blogger kurt9 December 17, 2015 1:00 PM  

If the GOP does a "brokered" convention, it will be the surest sign that the U.S. no longer has representative government. I think things will get ugly as a result. It won't necessarily be violence (although there will be some of that). Rather, corruption and disregard for the law, particularly federal law, will become widespread and generally socially accepted. it might be that some states will choose not to cooperate with the feds in the enforcement of certain laws, or any federal law at all.

There may be political prosecutions in response to this. This will really piss people off, particularly if it involves civil forfeiture of assets. Remember that Machiavelli said in the "Discourses" that taking people's money is the one true thing that really pisses people off. I think this especially true for the U.S.

Blogger kurt9 December 17, 2015 1:02 PM  

The Democrats already have their mechanism for brokering conventions. This is their superdelegates, which were created to prevent Carter II.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 17, 2015 1:02 PM  

@134


Everything I've been hearing is that brokered conventions are no longer really possible.

Anonymous 0007 December 17, 2015 1:15 PM  

Yeah, and once he's in, we gots to dump paul ryan, the weeping boner, jr.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 1:18 PM  

@136 White Knight Leo #0368:

Everything I've been hearing is that brokered conventions are no longer really possible.

What I remember about the 2012 convention rules changes was that the RNC now runs the nominating process and has the theoretical power to do this.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 1:27 PM  

I'll take my cathartic turn at whack-a-troll.

Olof: "Watching Trump debate one realizes he has very little idea of how Washington work nor much idea of US history, it's capabilities, and nothing about long standing policy. It will make for very embarrassing debates against the far more experienced Hillary."

Kind of like how in this campaign already Trump is defeating the experience of 9 state governors (Perry, Bush, Walker, Huckabee, Christie, Kasich, Jindal, Pataki, Gilmore), and 5 senators (Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Santorum, Graham)? Yes, he was utterly embarrassed in those debates when he openly mocked the insiders' first choice and designated heir to the POTUS and pointed out he was beating Jeb 42:3 to the cheering audience and Jeb was exasperated.

We all know how Washington works and so does Trump. That's how he's destroying these jokers so easily. It's all about deal making and self-preservation in DC. But totally bet on Hillary and her secret files. You think Trump just sat around not thinking about this run since 2008? I believe he's spent the last seven years preparing and laying the groundwork for this. He's hired his own people to do oppo research on himself and Hillary and he knows what he's up against and how she operates. He's not an easy mark like Jeb. And her Alinsky tactics don't work on a rhetorically gifted alpha.

Being 69 years old he has seen firsthand and can remember the US shaping the world and winning the Cold War. But do tell us how Hillary has honored our longstanding policies. Tell us how her understanding of how Washington works managed to get her anywhere in 2008 against the shiny new face from Chicago? She has 40 years of nasty political baggage, some of which the media and the cucks haven't been willing to discuss openly and other stuff that was quickly and quietly tamped down. Trump doesn't fear her. She'll always be just a low class sociopath, now with a drinking problem and mysterious head trauma!

He will eviscerate her on stage in front of the nation with a smile on his face. And the audience will cheer loudly at her shrill, sputtering meltdown. There won't be any Candy Crowley moments against Trump.

So, no, invest in popcorn.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper December 17, 2015 1:32 PM  

Trump is a billionaire with his own security detail. I don't think he is worried about getting whacked.

Heck the one time we've seen his detail operate, removing that annoying Univision "reporter" they seemed good enough for the job.

Also despite plaintive bleats from the Elite, he really isn't "one of us" but "one of them"

If he wins, he'll be a safety valve and accomplish a tiny measured amount, nothing more.

OpenID sigbouncer December 17, 2015 1:37 PM  

"I find it amusing that many are vexed by Ron & Rand Paul's inability to soar to Trump heights.

It's very simple. There are only two issues that the American phatties really care about:

1. Illegal immigration

2. The future of Social Security & Medicare."


The problem with either Paul is the same problem Ralph Nader had. Speaking. None of the three are good speakers. Their message delivery is poor, unfortunately.

Blogger VD December 17, 2015 2:04 PM  


It will make for very embarrassing debates against the far more experienced Hillary.


Trump has been dominating debates. Hillary has been running from them. You've got to be an SJW, because even a liberal Democrat is not this stupid.

Anonymous No, no, no December 17, 2015 2:14 PM  

His own wife testified that she believed it, and she was a former citizen of the USSR.

She was under pressure from the US government to reinforce the Warren Commission version of events (i.e., Oswald and only Oswald did it).

Further, you're approaching this as though you assume Oswald was sane.

There is no evidence that he wasn't.

His behavior was that of an intelligence asset carefully building a cover story.

Blogger Nick S December 17, 2015 2:24 PM  

The DNC will need to have a whaambulance on standby in case Trump tells Hillary she's a fat, ugly failure that couldn't keep her husband satisfied.

Anonymous Olof December 17, 2015 3:15 PM  

"Trump has been dominating debates."

Has he now? He has been dominating these 9 person debates. I'm not sure it is even possible to do that. But by what criteria do you determine this? By noting he got caught have not the least amount of knowledge about America's 40 year old nuclear strategy?

You mark yourself as someone with little understanding of the process. And your prejudice makes your analysis untrustworthy.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 3:41 PM  

dienw @7: You really think the Republican establishment is going to allow an unrigged primary. Amazing.

Why not? I've read that primaries are a Democrat thing that Republicans are just piggybacking off of, and that the R delegates aren't really bound in any meaningful sense, because it's always been an insiders' party.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 3:48 PM  

James Dixon @21: it may be closer than I'd like, but Trump should win.

I'm starting to agree with Scott Adams that it will be a landslide. The conclusion is already foregone, as long as he's still alive.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 3:49 PM  

(That was in reference to the general election.)

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 4:07 PM  

Student in Blue @44: As popular as Trump is, I'm still concerned about the potential for the older voters who "don't get it" to just not show up in November.

We've discussed Influence by Cialdini before. Trump makes it look like chump change. His persuasion skills are world-class. I'm a well-read enthusiastic amateur, and every day he gives me a master class.

They won't just be at the polls, they'll give a ride to their friends.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 4:18 PM  

Olof - why don't you want America to be great again?

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 4:19 PM  

WillBest @45: GOPe would have won if they backed Cruz back in late September when it became apparent that Trump wasn't a fad.

Your cognitive dissonance. How could they win by backing someone that they hate and who doesn't play by their rules?

Trump's general prognosis however is troubling because he is banking heavily on the GOPe playing nice, and we know their candidate will be Hillary.

Your cognitive dissonance. How is the most blustery candidate counting on anyone playing nice, and how is the Democrat candidate the GOPe candidate?

Keep in mind that for all his bluster about not being bought, and that he can use his own money, he has no intention to do that. His campaign is largely media financed. What I mean they keep talking about him for free. Outside of that Trump has spent $2 million of his own money, $4 million of donations, and assumed another $2 million in debt. $8 million to be the front runner while campaigning for 5 months.

Your cognitive dissonance. How is the fact that he hasn't needed to spend any money a sign that he wouldn't if he had to?

You know Hillary is going to get a pass on her criminal behavior, selling weapons to ISIS, blaming some poor schlub for her botched weapons sale, receiving top secret emails on her unsecured private server, lying to the families of service deceased US operatives, etc. If Trump wants that out there he is going to need to spend the cash to do it.

Your cognitive dissonance. Why would he need to spend any money to do that when he can consistently trick the media into get his message out for free?

Blogger newanubis December 17, 2015 4:32 PM  

You in attendance for the Cruz speech tomorrow Were? Was curious what you take on his Constitutional eligibility is.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 4:33 PM  

@149. SciVo
We've discussed Influence by Cialdini before. Trump makes it look like chump change. His persuasion skills are world-class. I'm a well-read enthusiastic amateur, and every day he gives me a master class.

They won't just be at the polls, they'll give a ride to their friends.


There's only so much persuasion you can do if a person is unwilling however. Persuasion coerces, not forces. And a lot of these people, like PJ, appear dead-set on NO TRUMP, and damn the facts and evidence.

I'm not going to rule it out though. I agree with you that Trump is a master-level persuader, but unless everyone's lives are immediately threatened by outside forces, which is completely possible, granted, by next November they're going to sit on their hands.

I say that because as far as I can tell, the majority of those people in that camp have made their decision preemptively, based on emotions, so unless something outside upsets those emotions...

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 4:33 PM  

Were-Puppy @49: VD mentioned in SJWAL that a lot of them are depressed and on various meds. Maybe we can come up with a plan to trigger the **** out of them early november next year, and they will stay home wallowing in their deflating bubbles :P

I like it! The election will be on the 8th for some reason -- isn't it normally the first Tuesday? -- so we should plan something for Halloween that will keep them triggered for over a week.

Blogger Dexter December 17, 2015 4:33 PM  

By noting he got caught have not the least amount of knowledge about America's 40 year old nuclear strategy?

Obama doesn't know shit about nuclear weapons. He didn't in 2008, and he doesn't now. Nobody cares.

I am sure the media will try their typical gotcha bullshit - "the Republican candidate is unqualified because he does not know the name of the deputy agriculture minister of Outer Durkadurkastan!" - but it won't work on Trump.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 4:38 PM  

Student in Blue @153:

You're showing cognitive dissonance too, which according to Scott Adams happens to about a third of the people being affected by a master persuader. Witness:

Persuasion coerces, not forces.

Uh, what? Those mean the same thing. And I know that you know that.

I agree with you that Trump is a master-level persuader, but unless everyone's lives are immediately threatened by outside forces, which is completely possible, granted, by next November they're going to sit on their hands.

I say that because as far as I can tell, the majority of those people in that camp have made their decision preemptively, based on emotions, so unless something outside upsets those emotions...


Uh, what? Persuasion is most effective on people who make emotional decisions. And I know that you know that.

Blogger Elocutioner December 17, 2015 4:41 PM  

Dexter - Hugh Hewitt already tried that crap a few months ago with the Iranian general question. It was a crappy cell connection and Trump misheard Hamas for Abbas or something like that (very obvious if you listen to the tape) and they tried to drum it up as a big DQ. Also partly why Hugh Hewitt is mocked by the alt-right now.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 17, 2015 4:43 PM  

Oh the Stupid Party will keep Trump out. They're noy called the Stupid Party for nothing you know. Baldric Rover has a "brilliant" plan for getting the White House without voters. Its so brilliant he hasn't bothered to explain it. We'll have to wait until Romney or Motel Six Bush becomes the candidate to see what's in it.
Can't wait for all the nigga excitement when the D-Party announce old Granny Hillary is the nominee. Maybe she will have that blond haired blue eyed Cigar Store Indian as her VP. Oh the joy in Mudville when two old blonds run for office. What's on BET tonite nigga?

Blogger Sevron December 17, 2015 4:46 PM  

Where is Josh? Shouldn't he be absolutely losing his shit over somebody declaring the game over in Trumo's favor?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 4:47 PM  

@145 Olof:

"Trump has been dominating debates."

Has he now? He has been dominating these 9 person debates. I'm not sure it is even possible to do that. But by what criteria do you determine this? By noting he got caught have not the least amount of knowledge about America's 40 year old nuclear strategy?


But as William S. Lind pointed out yesterday, "he is the only candidate who understands what a Fourth Generation world will be like."

HT the Instapundit, which is itself interesting.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 17, 2015 4:59 PM  

Trump may have to assemble a cabinet before the general election. His strength is at the top level...he'll need to be able to show that his lieutenants have the details in hand.

And I'll be happy to accept the post of Secretary of Defense.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 5:03 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr @59: I'm not sure Trump's nomination is a done deal. He's leading the polls, but at ~35%. Not enough to win.

That would be enough to win against two other opponents, let alone twelve. Math!

Cruz understands that whoever the Republican nominee is, he will have started with less than 30% support - and will have to reunify the party rank-and-file in order to win.

No, there are really only two candidates, Insurgent and Establishment. Insurgent would start with over 50% support, so you seem to be assuming that Establishment will win the nomination; but then you're talking about Cruz, who is an Insurgent, so that's a contradiction.

Blogger Danby December 17, 2015 5:32 PM  

Everyone telling us that Trump is not the right person, listen to Uncle Milton:
“I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.” --Milton Friedman

Supporting Trump is making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Even Trump.
You will never get the candidate that will Save the Republic". You might get a candidate that will respond to public pressure and be willing to honestly exploit your concerns.

And Olof,
Perhaps because Trump comes out of every debate with a bump in popularity. Almost like he wins them.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 5:32 PM  

Jourdan @68: One of two things are going to happen:

3. Trump is elected by a landslide and hires a constitutionalist to tell him exactly what he can and can't do, and discovers both all the ways that former presidents have both arrogated power and abrogated their duties. In a fit of moral outrage, he exposes all the dirty laundry while also using his actual legal authority to clean house.

America gets great again.

Anonymous DavidKathome December 17, 2015 5:33 PM  

I also won't discount the Republican establishment pulling every dishonest trick they can to deny Trump the nomination...and to try to undercut his support if he did win. But if they do, I will very much enjoy him exposing their fraud. There are a lot of naive trusting Republicans out there, and there will be a lot less after 2016.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 5:35 PM  

@SciVo
Persuasion coerces, not forces.

Uh, what? Those mean the same thing. And I know that you know that.


That was my mistake. I was thinking "coax" when I wrote "coerce".

My intention was to say that persuasion is not mind control - you can't force someone to buy what you're selling, you can only increase your likelihood dramatically. People unfamiliar with Game, which is very much linked to the art of persuasion, think of it like a "mind control", if they can bring themselves to believe it works at all.

Uh, what? Persuasion is most effective on people who make emotional decisions. And I know that you know that.

Everyone makes emotional decisions, even the most uptight "logical" person. And I know you know that.

The distinction being made here is not analytical vs emotional-dominant minds, but that those people who made up their minds "No!" on the topic already don't realize they made an emotional judgement and are just rationalizing after the fact.

It's very difficult to budge someone who's just rationalizing away like that.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 5:41 PM  

Note: Obama was another master persuader, but also a blank slate that people could project their hopes and dreams on. (As I recall, he explicitly said as much.) Trump is a known quantity, so projections have to conform to a certain shape -- one that includes "You're fired!"

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 17, 2015 5:46 PM  

@162 SciVo:

Slightly disagree. There are always three factions in the GOP - Plutocrat, Populist/Conservative, and Outsider. Normally, the Outsiders are running around 10% or less, it's a straight fight between the Plutocrats and the Populists. The Plutocrats win, but do poorly in the general election.

This cycle, the Outsiders are much stronger...and all three factions have not yet settled on a single standard-bearer. Especially the Plutocrats.

The way I see this developing, Trump will defeat Carson and Fiorina by 1 Feb to be the sole Outsider. Cruz has pretty well gotten the Populist/Conservative sub-primary locked up. The Plutocrats are realizing that they don't have the votes to get Their Guy the nomination, whether it be Bush, Christie, or Rubio.

What I'm seeing is Trump stabilizing at ~40%, and Cruz leading a coalition to defeat him in the later primaries - after forcing the Plutocrats to strangle their own candidates.

Final ticket will probably be Cruz/Trump.

Trump's path to victory is to create an aura of inevitability, and mobilize marginal voters in the way that Obama did in 2008. He also needs to up his policy game, maybe tweak the rhetoric. It's one thing to pick a rhetorical fight deliberately, but blundering into one is a mistake.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 6:01 PM  

Student in Blue @166:

I enjoy bantering with you. I like the way you caught one of my rhetorical knives and threw it back at me. Good technique. :)

But you contradicted yourself again. Everyone makes emotional decisions and rationalizes them after the fact, which is why persuasion techniques work. Those guys will be his biggest supporters by July.

Blogger Danby December 17, 2015 6:03 PM  

Trump's path to victory is to create an aura of inevitability, and mobilize marginal voters in the way that Obama did in 2008. He also needs to up his policy game, maybe tweak the rhetoric. It's one thing to pick a rhetorical fight deliberately, but blundering into one is a mistake.

You're making a very significant error. Trump has an option that none of the other candidates has. Trump can bring in outside voters. Cruz is relying solely on conservative Republican votes. Trump is relying on working-class votes. Working-class is a much larger category than conservative, and includes a great many people who don't normally vote, and who are reluctant to vote for Republicans.

What I find especially interesting that Trump's appeal is not limited to the White working-class, the way Reagan's largely was. Hispanics like the Big Man style, and Blacks love the fact that Trump is actually standing up for their interests. Black women especially like him. They know their Alpha when they see him.
If Trump can get the nomination, I can see him getting more minority voters than any GOP candidate since Eisenhower.

Anonymous Kudos The Lexecutioner December 17, 2015 6:08 PM  

@67 Red Jack

"For the first time, I', looking forward to the Caucasus."

I, for one, intend to make the Grand Tour of Turkey, Iran, and Russia, so I'm looking forward to the Caucasus, too.



Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 6:19 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr @168:

I appreciate the education on the distinction, but that just confirms my opinion. Using your rubric, Trump is both Outsider and Populist, which is precisely why he's outperforming the usual Outsider. And it will be Trump/Cruz because Trump is taller, and despite our intelligence we're still animals.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 6:25 PM  

Remember Saul and how he got crowned king? He was a head taller than everyone else. That wasn't so long ago, on an evolutionary timescale.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 7:32 PM  

That Would Be Telling @71: While it of course lies, Cruz's logo of course has a color flare, tell me if you can tell which candidate for the nomination is not drinking from the same Republican consultant ecosystem fountain in this Wikipedia gallery of logos.

I had to read the gallery twice, because the first time I only saw which ones sucked, which was almost all of them. Only Christie's is any good. Then I read it again for what you were saying, and it looks like Trump dictated his own.

And I don't understand what you said at first. Maybe it changed? Right now Cruz has a plain grey logo.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 17, 2015 7:40 PM  

@174 SciVo:

And I don't understand what you said at first. Maybe it changed? Right now Cruz has a plain grey logo.

I'm sorry, I meant to say that Cruz's real logo includes a red, white and blue flame of sorts. Omitting it is not, I think, an innocent act. But it's still in the same general style as the non-Trump ones.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 7:46 PM  

I enjoy bantering with you.

I enjoy it as well. It's nice to just banter.

But you contradicted yourself again. Everyone makes emotional decisions and rationalizes them after the fact, which is why persuasion techniques work. Those guys will be his biggest supporters by July.

No. Everyone makes emotional decisions, but not everyone rationalizes them after the fact.

The distinction being made here is not analytical vs emotional-dominant minds, but that those people who made up their minds "No!" on the topic already don't realize they made an emotional judgement and are just rationalizing after the fact.

I'm slightly changing my mind here however, in that it's not that those rationalizers are very hard to persuade, but rather the persuasion technique has to be completely different.

My train of thought here is that SJWs are people who make their decisions on emotions, but deny that and completely make their justifications on BS logic. In short, they rationalize after the fact. It's also very difficult to persuade them, as conventional methods are practically worthless.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 8:03 PM  

Student in Blue @95: As it gets closer to November Hillary will get more and more nervous, and get straight up nasty with mudslinging, lies, and attempts to fabricate evidence. Trump will respond with nuclear rhetoric.

Well, I think we know who the nominees will be, since they both already got you thinking past the sale. ;)

But to the point, I'm looking forward to watching them go at it. Salivating. My brain actually fritzes out a bit with static from the excitement when I think about it.

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Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 8:20 PM  

@162 "but then you're talking about Cruz, who is an Insurgent"

Really? Then why did he support the TPP? Why did he vote for the Iran deal bill? Why did he refuse to take a hard stance against amnesty? If he's not an insider, why is he married to a Goldman-Sachs VP & CFR member?

@166 "you can't force someone to buy what you're selling"

Then please explain the Affordable Care Act. :(

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 8:35 PM  

@117 WillBest

If you listened to liberal blogs the candidates most likely to win the general are Graham and Kasich.
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Really? Linda Graham and Krazy Flapadoodle Arms Kasich? These liberal blogs are insane, those were the 2 worst guys in both debates!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 8:41 PM  

@125 Nick S

Trump is the Antichrist!
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Well, i've been saying that for the following he is TRUMPAGEDDON
Cucks
Lefties
Media
Mexicans
Rags
Globalists
Miscellaneous goofs like muslim concern trolls and lefty losers in Europe who are destroying their own lands

TRUMPAGEDDON!

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 8:43 PM  

@128 Jourdan

What is that, like a "Call me Donald, let's talk" message? :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 17, 2015 8:45 PM  


@129 SevenCrimes

the pant-shitting, senile Sanders who gives campaign speeches in mosques to prove how "in touch" he is with the American people.
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The Burns is giving campaign speeches in the muslim zerg bases? ROFLMAO! Bernie Kerrigan the bastard!

Blogger newanubis December 17, 2015 9:02 PM  

You in attendance for the Cruz speech tomorrow Were? Was curious what you take on his Constitutional eligibility is.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 9:16 PM  

@OneWingedShark
Then please explain the Affordable Care Act. :(

Nothing to do with persuasion, sadly.

Blogger Student in Blue December 17, 2015 9:22 PM  

@SciVo
Well, I think we know who the nominees will be, since they both already got you thinking past the sale. ;)

If I were a fair representative of people who'll vote on the Democratic side, maybe you could argue that. That said, I haven't been paying attention to the Democrat side - I just have the vague idea that Sanders has young popular support but doesn't quite have the rhetorical skills, so even though he's an outsider like Trump he hasn't quite taken the lead.

But to the point, I'm looking forward to watching them go at it. Salivating. My brain actually fritzes out a bit with static from the excitement when I think about it.

It'll be quite the show. If it's *not* Trump vs Hillary, it won't be anywhere near as entertaining -- Hillary will play dirty ball and anyone else won't unleash the verbiage, and Trump won't get nearly as much ammo if it's not the alcoholic Lizard Queen.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 17, 2015 9:23 PM  

@185 "Nothing to do with persuasion, sadly."

Arguably the punitive ̶t̶a̶x̶fine's whole purpose is 'persuasion'.

Blogger SciVo December 17, 2015 10:14 PM  

Student in Blue @186: If I were a fair representative of people who'll vote on the Democratic side, maybe you could argue that.

Fair enough! But all you need is to see a photo of Sanders off to the side on his own stage, looking away, frowning and shoulders slumped; BLM destroyed his presidential chances when they invaded his campaign.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 12:41 AM  

@184 newanubis

You in attendance for the Cruz speech tomorrow Were? Was curious what you take on his Constitutional eligibility is.
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No, didn't know about it. Real life has gotten very busy last couple days. I'll maybe catch it on youtube if it's on there afterwards.

I'm still not sure what to think about the birth issue. It seems that it would disqualify him.

I also wish he could come out and explain why he was proposing to increase H1B by 500%.

Also he spoke the red flag throwing term "peaceful muslims" at the debate.

Anonymous VFM 261 December 18, 2015 1:25 AM  

The job of the VP is to bring in more votes. Cruz is too much like Trump to bring in many new votes. Christy is a possibility.


It'll be a / female / swing state / minority / governor.

I expect him to tap a moderate Democrat governor just to piss off fauxcons and cucks.

PS: King O despises Biden and Hillary both.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 1:41 AM  

WillBest: If you listened to liberal blogs the candidates most likely to win the general are Graham and Kasich.

Ha! Just goes to show why we shouldn't listen to them.

Blogger Student in Blue December 18, 2015 12:06 PM  

@125. Nick S
Trump is the Antichrist!

Oh come on, somebody is bound to make a Youtube video about it sooner or later. I'm just getting ahead of the curve.


Apparently you're not that far ahead of the curve:
<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/18/creighton-professor-donald-trump-anti-christ/>Creighton Professor: Donald Trump Is ‘Anti-Christ’</a>

Blogger Student in Blue December 18, 2015 12:06 PM  

Shoot. Forgot to close the URL.

Creighton Professor: Donald Trump Is ‘Anti-Christ’

Blogger James Dixon December 18, 2015 1:22 PM  

> You in attendance for the Cruz speech tomorrow Were? Was curious what you take on his Constitutional eligibility is.

Not Were, but...

The definition of "natural born citizen", in as far as I've seen it defined, is: Born in the US to parents who are US citizens.

By that definition, neither McCain nor Obama were eligible. And neither Cruz nor Rubio are eligible. Others may argue the definition if they wish.

> And I'll be happy to accept the post of Secretary of Defense.

Can we get Vox the Treasury post? That would be a trip.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 3:21 PM  

That Would Be Telling @126: How about "Hitler learns he's not the Antichrist, Trump is"?

Ha! I would watch that.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 3:25 PM  

VFM 261 @190: The job of the VP is to bring in more votes. Cruz is too much like Trump to bring in many new votes. Christy is a possibility.

Oddly, Scott Adams is suggesting Mark Cuban. I don't know why.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 4:09 PM  

Elocutioner @139: He's hired his own people to do oppo research on himself and Hillary and he knows what he's up against and how she operates.

You just blew my mind. From having to work my way up to delta, it would never occur to me to even do something as simple as google myself. Why would I want to risk finding out something not nice? But of course, a real alpha would want to know all of his weaknesses so that he could buttress them.

Blogger SciVo December 18, 2015 4:39 PM  

Student in Blue @176: In short, they rationalize after the fact. It's also very difficult to persuade them, as conventional methods are practically worthless.

Well, that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree, as I think it makes them the most susceptible of all. Which is precisely why they're such good foot soldiers of evil.

We might not disagree as much as it appears, since I agree that it takes a different persuasion technique. But I think that the same person can use it.

Blogger Gerry Tork December 18, 2015 4:42 PM  

@74 As a dual citizen the media ignoring this has always bothered me. But they did it for FDR, for Romney Sr, for McCain, all of which were not born in CONUS (McCain was in the Canal Zone, under us "jurisdiction" but that is a tricky concept.

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