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Thursday, December 31, 2015

Immigration destroys culture

It's fascinating to see that so many people still stubbornly clinging to outmoded concepts like Magic Dirt, Melting Pot, and Propositional Nation when all three ideas have been thoroughly rendered null and void by the ongoing mass movement of peoples and the dyscivic behavior of the invaders:
An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it "no longer corresponds to today's multicultural Switzerland."

Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.

In a September 18 interview with the Swiss newspaper Aargauer Zeitung, Petrusic said the cross has a Christian background and while the Christian roots of Switzerland should be respected, "it is necessary to separate church and state" because "Switzerland today has a great religious and cultural diversity. One has to ask if the State wants to continue building up a symbol in which many people no longer believe."

In the interview, Petrusic said Switzerland needs new symbols with which everyone, including non-Christians, can identify. As an alternative to the current Swiss flag, Petrusic proposed the former flag of the Helvetic Republic (see image here) which was officially introduced in 1799 and consisted of green, red and yellow colors. "Those colors are similar to the current flags of Bolivia and Ghana and would represent a more progressive and open-minded Switzerland," Petrusic said.

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and is sure to fuel anti-immigrant sentiments in Switzerland.
I tend to doubt this unexpected public statement by the senior commander of the Swiss Armed Forces is entirely unrelated to those sentiments.
Swiss army chief André Blattmann warned, in a Swiss newspaper article on Sunday, the risks of social unrest in Europe are soaring. Recalling the experience of 1939/1945, Blattman fears the increasing aggression in public discourse is an explosively hazardous situation, and advises the Swiss people to arm themselves and warns that the basis for Swiss prosperity is "being called into question."
When even military commanders are telling the people to gun up, war is on the way.

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103 Comments:

Anonymous Faceless December 31, 2015 9:40 AM  

They really are proposing that the Swiss adopt a flag and identity thrust upon them by previous occupiers and invaders? This is just bad comedy now. Go tell the Hungarians to fly the Hammer and Sickle, or go tell the Vietnamese to fly the bleu-blanc-et-rouge tricolor.

Anonymous Faceless December 31, 2015 9:45 AM  

Since the floor is open for changes to the Swiss flag, and they probably won't go the corporate sponsorship route and put a Chevrolet bowtie on there, they could put John Calvin and Huldrych Zwingli on either side of the cross, with John Calvin holding a modern battle rifle and Zwingli holding a nice shiny sword. I suppose they could also just go with having the cross being held by a big-breasted blond girl offering cocoa. Evolution not revolution!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 31, 2015 9:53 AM  

Isn't that article about the gun up more about the government spending more on weapons than actual Swiss citizens gunning up? I would also hazard a guess that the muslim guest heads an organization of one, and this is the usual establishment two step, the left to humiliate, the right to peddle yet more impotent outrage

Blogger SamuraiJack December 31, 2015 9:54 AM  

Wow a government official actually telling his countrymen to lock and load. Good for him. I guess he wasn't invited to Mars with the rest of the globalist trash

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 31, 2015 9:56 AM  

Go with comment #2 big breasted blonde chick, mock the muslim guest and the establishment

If the guest needs a killing and it seems he is begging for it I suggest crucifixion

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 31, 2015 9:58 AM  

What is this? The 13th or the 14th Jihad?

Anonymous VFM#598 December 31, 2015 10:06 AM  

In this atmosphere of growing unrest specifically caused by the mounting numbers of unwanted foreigners on European soil, it takes either a lot of balls or a lot of stupidity for anyone, but especially a lobbying group for muslims, to try and force an issue like this to the forefront. Attacking a national symbol is one of the best ways to guarantee a shift from fence sittig moderate to nationalist in the average citizen's political leanings. It is also a great way to turn a nominal nationalist into a rabid ultra nationalist with militant intentions.

Blogger Randy M December 31, 2015 10:07 AM  

"warns that the basis for Swiss prosperity is "being called into question."

Which would be what, Multiculturalism? Sounds like a threat against the natives to me.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 31, 2015 10:08 AM  

@1

Good point. I'll bet if they proposed a flag with William Tell on it; they might get better traction. However, the wrong people might start getting ideas if they did;like André Blattmann.

Blogger Salt December 31, 2015 10:09 AM  

Guess the American 13 stripes will soon need to go, representing raciss white founding patriarchy.

Screw happy new year, 2016 is going to really suck.

Blogger Randy M December 31, 2015 10:12 AM  

"it takes either a lot of balls or a lot of stupidity for anyone, but especially a lobbying group for muslims, to try and force an issue like this to the forefront."

It's almost like the muslims don't have a great deal of respect for the spinal integrity and intestinal fortitude of Europeans. Or they want a war.

Which reminds me of a pet peeve of mine. Just because something is "Just what the terrorists want" doesn't mean it is in their interests. They may want a backlash, but that doesn't mean it would necessarily work out to their favor.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 31, 2015 10:13 AM  

@3. Mr.MantraMan

Isn't that article about the gun up more about the government spending more on weapons than actual Swiss citizens gunning up? I would also hazard a guess that the muslim guest heads an organization of one, and this is the usual establishment two step, the left to humiliate, the right to peddle yet more impotent outrage

The line between more government weapons and citizens with weapons is VERY thin in Switzerland. Reservists carry their weapons home with them last I heard.

Anonymous kfg December 31, 2015 10:19 AM  

I can think of something else that could be removed from the Swiss that would solve the problem at least as well and likely better.

Anonymous The SPY December 31, 2015 10:19 AM  

Drive the invaders from our shores. If they resist then eliminate them with extreme prejudice!

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 31, 2015 10:21 AM  

@12

I've been reliably informed that Swiss citizens keep military-issue machine guns in their homes, but that ammunition storage is something of a touchy legal issue. I'm not sure exactly how that works out, but my understanding is that the Swiss take the notion of "citizen-soldier" very seriously.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia December 31, 2015 10:31 AM  

There is no place in any country outside of Dar Islam for muslims. Period.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 31, 2015 10:32 AM  

"it takes either a lot of balls or a lot of stupidity for anyone, but especially a lobbying group for muslims, to try and force an issue like this to the forefront."

The anti-White Left writ-large has been doing this in high gear lately. This points to one of three things:

1. Touchdown dance (they won)
2. Hubris (they think they won)
3. Panic (extinction burst; they sense that their time is up).

-PA

Anonymous 185 December 31, 2015 10:33 AM  

Switzerland doesn't seem like a nation given that it consists mainly of Germans, Italians and French.

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 10:38 AM  

However, it seems that Amazon supports the globalists and the coming revolts.

Blogger Jeff Wood December 31, 2015 10:38 AM  

@15

Leo, I believe you are correct about the ammo issue. Switzerland has its SJWs like everywhere else, and I recall they took a hint from the EU and began agitating for cartridges to be kept at military bases.

Of course if that move was successful, many would consider keeping a full-auto club at home a waste of effort, leading to the usual bans.

Anyone in from Switzerland who can confirm?

Blogger James Higham December 31, 2015 10:38 AM  

What's the betting - 2016 or 2017?

Blogger Student in Blue December 31, 2015 10:42 AM  

@21
I'm not an expert, but I'll place a friendly wager of late 2016/early 2017.

Anonymous #5454 December 31, 2015 10:46 AM  

Yes, let's have the low IQ inbred muslims continue to push too hard, over reach by demanding too much change too quickly so that ultra-nationalists are created ever faster. We must be grateful for stupid enemies.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 10:52 AM  

I didn't realize that Switzerland had enough moslems to be a problem for anything other than taxpayer expenses. Perhaps they should put one of these Don't Rape posters from Africa on their? flag.http://www.lukeford.net/blog/?p=53486

lot of balls or a lot of stupidity for anyone, but especially a lobbying group for muslims, to try and force an issue like this to the forefront

Its not balls, while you will never hear me argue that moslems are not stupid, they only hear the echo chamber of cucks, and those that think a Somali couple could birth the next Einstein if only they squatted him out on majik dirt.

is "Just what the terrorists want" doesn't mean it is in their interests.

Why do leftists never notice "what theterrorists want is" to get into 1st world nations?

Anonymous Roundtine December 31, 2015 10:52 AM  

I don't know Swiss culture too well, but I read the news. From that, I would bet (literally if someone offered it) the Swiss will pass a referendum banning Islam as incompatible with Swiss culture before they'd ever change the flag to fit its "new" "multicultural" status.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 31, 2015 10:53 AM  

@2 In addition a smashed crescent under the cross would make a nice addition.

Or just give them what they want and put Mohammad on it... "Oh wait.. you guys don't like that? Well we already made so many of them so we are just going to have to stick with it for now."

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 31, 2015 10:54 AM  

I can't imagine an ad campaign better suited to solidify Swiss opposition to immigrants, particularly mohammedans.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 31, 2015 10:55 AM  

@19 The Other Robot

Quelle Surprise....ou pas!

This is the same outfit that banned confederate flags and Jim Fetzer's "Nobody died at Sandy Hook" book.

Anonymous MendoScot December 31, 2015 10:57 AM  

@2 Faceless

Sweet. But unless there’s a purple cow I’m not buying it.

Blogger Randy M December 31, 2015 11:02 AM  

"Or just give them what they want and put Mohammad on it"

This is the inverse of what I said above. Just because the terrorists wouldn't like it, doesn't meant that that wouldn't abase us in our own eyes... unless he was shown bowing ot Christ or something.

Oh, there ought to be some illustrated version of the Inferno that could inform us there. On second thought, I think you are on to something.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 31, 2015 11:07 AM  

@10 Salt:

No, rejoice! The year of battle has arrived! Gladden your heart, gird your loins, and grip your sword in hand.

OpenID denektenorsk December 31, 2015 11:10 AM  

If things such as Crosses, bacon, saying Merry Christmas, et al are so horribly horribly offensive, there is a really simple solution. Don't come. Stay in the hell hole, er I mean paradise you were born into. There is no need to spread your utopia here. We're fine thanks.

I am amused and angered by the invocation of separation of state and church especially when this is a naked attempt by Islamic grievance takers to further their own goals. I wonder if they were pitching the Cresent Moon if they would continue to hold such values so dearly.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 11:10 AM  

You do realize that nobody has ever actually believed in "magic dirt", right? You made that up to parody the open border advocates.

I expect this "Seconds Plus" outfit is just a gang of professional Left activists, of the kind we in the US are wearisomely familiar with, and the goal of their campaign was to gull secondos into claiming the status of Holy Victim. Also, the article is four years old, so they didn't actually accomplish anything.

Blogger Civis Silas December 31, 2015 11:11 AM  

@6 What is this? The 13th or the 14th Jihad?

That number is extremely conservative.

@2 I suppose they could also just go with having the cross being held by a big-breasted blond girl offering cocoa.

Given the proclivities of the invaders, that would definitely send the wrong message. If they must insist that Switzerland change its flag to accommodate them, I'm certain that this historically significant flag would get the point across.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 31, 2015 11:16 AM  

At Drudge it is said that next week president Jim Jones is going with executive order gun control, good let him ban the 2A. I for one am tired of the establishment two step

Blogger kaflick December 31, 2015 11:17 AM  

@20

I had been following the Swiss ammo issue a few years back. From what I read there was supposed to be a specific amount of government issued ammo stored with each weapon. That was supposed to be used only for specific purposes after which it would be replaced. Many people were shooting up the government issued ammo at target practice or at competitions. There were discussions that the government was not supposed to be supplying ammo for private use. I stopped following it before it was decided to not store ammo at residences but it wouldn't surprise me it that was part of the reason.

Blogger James Dixon December 31, 2015 11:19 AM  

> Screw happy new year, 2016 is going to really suck.

That seems to be the almost universal consensus, yes. But one thing I've noticed over the years about the universal consensus: It's almost always wrong. So I have hope the year may not be as bad as it looks going in to it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 31, 2015 11:20 AM  

@36

I would imagine that the compliance rate is about as much as it is here in the States.


@25

From what I know, Swiss citizenship laws are pretty strict. It requires at least 12 years continuous lawful habitation in Switzerland, and you have to demonstrate pretty extensive knowledge of Swiss history and culture as well. Of course, it was like 10 years ago that I looked.

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 31, 2015 11:21 AM  

@30 or it doesn't even have to be so obvious. It doesn't abase ourselves to put an image of Mohammad standing next to the cross and giving it a thumbs up. It's a strategy that takes all the wind out of their sails when trying to convince uninterested moderates because the image itself is so innocuous. You could even credibly make the argument that it signifies the new multicultural state. It would be deeply displeasing to them and they wouldn't have anyway to make a reasonable argument against it.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 31, 2015 11:28 AM  

@20 Jeff Wood

@15

Leo, I believe you are correct about the ammo issue. Switzerland has its SJWs like everywhere else, and I recall they took a hint from the EU and began agitating for cartridges to be kept at military bases.


I'm not from Switzerland, but read a while ago that after an officer used his issue 9mm and cartridges to murder a photogenic woman skier, they stopped the requirement to have an issue tin of cartridges at home and of course stopped issuing them.

I've also read that they have a Marquess of Queensberry self-defense law, criminalizing using "more force" than an assailant---compare to the US where once the threshold of lethal force is reached, we make no distinctions between types of it---so defensive use of guns is not really in the cards. No doubt related, I've also read that issuance of concealed carry licenses is very limited.

I have to suspect that they're having and going to have a tough time transitioning from their internally very peaceful modern era to the new reality their betters have forced on them, unless and until they cut the Gordon knot.

Blogger John Wright December 31, 2015 11:30 AM  

@16
"There is no place in any country outside of Dar Islam for muslims."

You are too generous. The lands they occupy in North Africa, Asia Minor, and the Near East are all Christian lands, themes of the Eastern Roman Empire. When they marched through, they were unable to maintain the civilizations there, and now dead cities still stand above the dry irrigation canals, and where Roman roads once ran or olive groves grew, now are sand.

The Christian peoples in those lands had been the majority up until recently. For example, in the little town of Bethlehem, between 60 and 80 percent of the people, had been Christian. Now it is less than two percent.

The Muslim heresy has no place on earth at all. It cannot be contained, since it commands its followers to conquer all neighbors and kill all apostates.

Notice that the original post is talking about second generation of children born and raised in Christian nations. A melting pot can work for Christians of different denominations, such as Irish and English, to live together in America in peace where in the Old World they are ever at each others' throats. Also, the Japanese since the Meiji Restoration have been eager to adopt Western culture, and their immigrants have proved able to assimilate.

Not Muslims. There is no coexistence with them, no peace. The eternal war between Christendom and Dar-al-Islam was put on hold during the World Wars, when the Ottoman Empire was dying, but revived during the Cold War.

The endless wars of conquest waged by Islam are regarded by most people regard as ancient history and time out of mind. In fact the only time of peace with Islam was a hiatus from 1918 to 1948, WWI to the Arab-Isreali War, thirty years.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 31, 2015 11:30 AM  

In other news, Man charged with setting Houston mosque fire says he was a devout attendee.

A Houston man has been arrested in connection with a suspected arson at a mosque on Christmas Day, but the motive for the crime remains a mystery, with the suspect maintaining he was a regular at the mosque.

A spokeswoman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confirmed that the suspect, 37-year-old Gary Nathaniel Moore of Houston, was arrested early Wednesday. Moore appeared in court at 7 a.m., spokeswoman Nicole Strong said, and bond was set at $100,000.

According to a charging instrument released by the Harris County District Clerk, Moore told investigators at the scene that he has attended the storefront mosque for five years, coming five times per day to pray seven days per week.
(snip)

http://www.chron.com/houston/article/Federal-officials-arrest-man-in-connection-with-6727623.php

Blogger Scuzzaman December 31, 2015 11:33 AM  

Bern is the capital. It's full of political wankers and wannabes. Like most capitals, most people in it can be safely ignored.

It's the ones inside parliament you have to keep a close eye on.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 31, 2015 11:38 AM  

@42 JaimeInTexas

Who would have guessed it was a false flag op on Christmas day?

He must have just spilled all that lighter fluid while refilling his Zippo.

Anonymous cheddarman December 31, 2015 11:50 AM  

White Knight Leo I am surprised you are not defending the idea of a propositional nation. Here is a perfect opportunity for you to show your virtue...unless are finally waking up to the reality that the mud slide/3rd world invasion does not give a rats arse about your virtue.

Anonymous Philalethes December 31, 2015 11:52 AM  

Switzerland's military is in principle a citizen militia (as the USA's was supposed to be), so traditionally every able-bodied male was required to keep a weapon at home. I believe it was some time after the vote was given to women in the 1970s that it was decided that while the weapons are kept in the homes, the ammunition must be kept in central repositories. So all an invader has to do is get control of the ammunition storage, and...

In my view the granting of female suffrage (note: given, not earned) was the beginning of the end for Switzerland's independence, and indeed it has been coming under the sway of more and more "European" power centers, e.g. the "European Court of Human Rights" mentioned in the linked article.

Helvetia: a great idea while it lasted...

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 12:01 PM  

Isn't setting fire to a mosque the same as setting fire to a Koran?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 31, 2015 12:04 PM  

An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it "no longer corresponds to today's multicultural Switzerland."

Fuck this guy hard. I wouldn't go into turkey and tell them to remove the Islamic crescent nor would I tell Japan to remove their rising sun. Also as Catholic I wouldn't demand that America remove all references to the King James bible in historical work, plaques or speeches just because I'm not a protestant.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 31, 2015 12:05 PM  

Hey Fife. At BJ's, on bay area blvd. with wife and daughter, watching uh game.

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 31, 2015 12:06 PM  

put Mohammad on it"

This is the inverse of what I said above. Just because the terrorists wouldn't like it, doesn't meant that that wouldn't abase us in our own eyes... unless he was shown bowing ot Christ or something


How about MoohamMad kissing the backside of a pig?

You do realize that nobody has ever actually believed in "magic dirt", right?

Sign up for Move on dot com, and go to one of their meetings and say "Racists say that Somali moslems that move to the US at tax payer expense have no chance of giving birth to the next Einstein. How many people believe they are wrong?" Everyone raising their hands believes evolution stopped at the neck + majik dirt.

13th or the 14th Jihad? That number is extremely conservative.

No he merely forgot to include the word century. 13th or 14th century of jihad.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 31, 2015 12:07 PM  

@49

Headed to Surfside to 'spode stuff.

Blogger luagha December 31, 2015 12:14 PM  

"When they marched through, they were unable to maintain the civilizations there, and now dead cities still stand above the dry irrigation canals,"

I like the idea that the Muslims have been to Mars.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 31, 2015 12:15 PM  

Have fun.

Anonymous GregMan December 31, 2015 12:30 PM  

So the countries they want to emulate are Bolivia and Ghana? Brilliant.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 31, 2015 12:36 PM  

@26 basementhomebrewer

Or just give them what they want and put Mohammad on it
--

That would be hilarious, if it wasn't such a serious situation!

Blogger John Wright December 31, 2015 12:47 PM  

"I like the idea that the Muslims have been to Mars."

Who do you think the Green Martians of Barsoon represent? Europe has been haunted since the seventh century with images of endless hordes or corrupt barbarians, lolling on the gem heaps and harems of conquered cities, and it shows up as a recurring theme in our dreams and nightmares.

The defense of civilization against barbarism is one of the central psychological facts defining the European mind, and has been for centuries.

So of course it shows up in our science fiction and fantasy, from Barsoom to Middle Earth to Narnia, as 'Corsairs of Umbar' or 'Calormenes' and so on.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2015 12:52 PM  

I used to view career military people with great suspicion, given their marinating in a rigid hierarchy devoid of market discipline.

I'm beginning to accept that some sort of similar hierarchy is the only hope for organizing the effort necessary to defend a corner of Western Civilization in which I hope my grandkids can thrive.

This predisposes me to accept orders from respected authority, which is a sea change in thinking.

Arm up, indeed.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 31, 2015 12:56 PM  


The defense of civilization against barbarism is one of the central psychological facts defining the European mind, and has been for centuries.


This makes it all the more tragic that peoples of the West have spent so much time murdering each other. Fortress West should have always been first.

"You don't know what you've got until it's gone..." -Chicago

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 1:00 PM  

@50: Open borders advocates split into two sets:
1) People who desire cultural subversion, generally because they want to rule over compliant serfs and their home culture offers no scope for their ambition; and
2) People whose notion of culture stops with exotic foods and costumes.

The first are knaves, and the second are fools, but neither supposes that there's anything magic about being born in a certain place. "Magic dirt" is a strawman.

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 1:06 PM  

You don't know what you've got until it's gone

Isn't that from Big Yellow Taxi?

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 1:10 PM  

The elites seem to be creating a lot of unemployed, disaffected people here in the US.

For example, their drive to push oil prices down to destroy Russia (again) is causing lots of American males to be unemployed.

I think that American males should be told who it is that caused their unemployment.

On another note, Russia was destroyed in 1917 and then again in 1989. It's a bit too soon to try that again.

Blogger praetorian December 31, 2015 1:18 PM  

Come and take it.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 31, 2015 1:26 PM  

"You don't know what you've got until it's gone"

Cinderella

Anonymous patrick kelly December 31, 2015 1:28 PM  

IIRC the Swiss keep assault rifles and ammo at home, but personal use of the ammo is prohibited. It can be used for official training or qualification.

The Swiss also maintain qualification ranges in foreign countries, I shot at one in California years ago.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 31, 2015 1:44 PM  

@50 there is only one, perpetual, universal jihad.

@59 everyone here knows that "magic dirt" is a rhetorical device based upon taking leftists and cuckservatives at their word and exposing the illogic, lies, and inconsistencies. But the train is fine, regardless.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 31, 2015 1:51 PM  

Did the Swiss fire back?

Anonymous Randomatos December 31, 2015 2:25 PM  

In keeping with the advice of General Blattmann, would civic-minded Ilk (ie. Nate and gun-nuts) faced with the choice of a RIA with 2000 rounds or an STI with 1000 rounds lean towards Texas or the Pacific?

Blogger epobirs December 31, 2015 2:28 PM  

One of the surest signs a nation has been successfully conquered is when a new flag flies over it.

Blogger synp December 31, 2015 3:06 PM  

I've looked it up. This is not news. Ivica Petrusic's proposal to replace the flag dates back to at least 2011, so it's over 4 years old, before the current crisis.

Also, Ivica claims to be a Christian, which makes sense. SJWs are far more gung-ho about stomping out symbols of oppression than the minorities they are supposedly representing.

And yeah, even Muslims in Switzerland thought this proposal was unproductive.

OpenID denektenorsk December 31, 2015 3:09 PM  

5.5 million muslims in Britain and look at the fun they are having: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7151/britain-islamization

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 3:24 PM  

Mr.MantraMan @3: Isn't that article about the gun up more about the government spending more on weapons than actual Swiss citizens gunning up?

I believe it is aimed at the citizens. They have compulsary military service for all men. Every man is either a soldier or a veteran. The Swiss army is the Swiss people, as it should be.

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 3:30 PM  

Randy M @8: Which would be what, Multiculturalism?

No, the basis of Swiss prosperity is peace. Switzerland is famously neutral, refusing to get involved when other nations fight. When he says that the basis of Swiss prosperity is threatened, that's the same as saying, prepare for war.

Blogger SciVo December 31, 2015 3:41 PM  

PA @17:

1. Touchdown dance (they won)
2. Hubris (they think they won)
3. Panic (extinction burst; they sense that their time is up).


4. Shit test (they're like women and children in their inability to discern limits)

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 4:11 PM  

The Science is clear. Large-scale immigration is bad for the locals

Finally you have the third group, which arrives in Northern Europe during the Copper Age with the Corded Ware culture, also known as the “Battle Axe” culture, between 4,500 and 5,000 years ago. There they seem to overwhelm the Neolithic farmer groups, which had overwhelmed the hunter-gatherers earlier.

Anonymous Mrs Green December 31, 2015 4:25 PM  

Relax Vox, the trains n Switzerland are just fine. You are relating the opinion of a tiny minority. Really the trains are just fine.

Anonymous Mrs Green December 31, 2015 4:29 PM  

"One of the surest signs a nation has been successfully conquered is when a new flag flies over it."

Exactly? Where is the report of Switzerland's new flag?

Not to worry. The trains there are just fine.

Blogger SirHamster December 31, 2015 4:55 PM  

This makes it all the more tragic that peoples of the West have spent so much time murdering each other. Fortress West should have always been first.

That sounds familiar. Winter is coming.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 5:27 PM  

@65: Even rhetorical devices have to be based on reality, or they discredit the one who utters them. "Magic dirt" isn't based on reality.

Take the two sets I mentioned. The cultural subversives are actually pretty open about what they want. They want the mainstream cultures of the West to assimilate to criminal subcultures and the cultures of Third World immigrants. They don't phrase it that way, of course, but it's the clear implication of what they do say. And it's impossible to have this goal and believe in "magic dirt". What would be the point, for them, of hauling a lot of Somalians into Nebraska if the Nebraskan soil magically changed them and their children into good Nebraskans when they arrived?

As for the other set? They're the people who think Homo sapiens is no more than Homo oeconomicus, that becoming rich is the first concern of every man and woman alive. To those people, cultures are invisible, nations are a legal fiction, and moving halfway round the globe requires no adjustment in one's habits at all. They don't believe in "magic dirt" because they don't believe there's anything for magic to do.

Either way, nobody who hears the phrase "magic dirt" will think it means what they believe, so it fails as rhetoric; you just look stupid if you say it.

Blogger Mother Effingby December 31, 2015 5:35 PM  

What they really want is to keep the white cross, but just change the red background to white as well.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 31, 2015 6:59 PM  

Oh I don't know why all of you are so worked up about these sand people. Sure their ways are different and they mate with goats, but its their way.
Remember during the 20th Century we had a dispute with Japan about Oil and ruling the Pacific? They were kinda mad. And then they did a stupid thing that caused our Isolationist attitudes to disappear. They do that from time to time. They said they'd never give up and fight forever, but then we firebombed Tokyo and made some nice mushroom clouds over their country and now they just watch and make cartoon porn.
I bet that would work with sand people too. After all, they're no Jawas, right? AmIright?

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis December 31, 2015 7:33 PM  

@75 @76 It's "The train is fine" not "The trains are just fine." If you're trying to make a point about something, at least get the quote right.

Further, appears the first story linked above was written in 2011. Has the Jihadist situation gotten worse in Switzerland since then?

Anonymous Rhetoric Man December 31, 2015 7:55 PM  

"The defense of civilization against barbarism is one of the central psychological facts defining the European mind, and has been for centuries."

The defense of civilization, however it is defined, against barbarianism, however it is defined, has been a central psychological principle defining the human race. See, it is easy for the acolytes of any philosophical group to create their own standards as to what constitutes "civilization" and "barbarianism".

European Christians are barbaric in their cultural practices when they attempted to convert Native Americans against their will, right?

Muslims are barbaric in their cultural practices when men ensuring that womenfolk are under their exclusive domain, right?

So, some Christians think Muslims are barbaric and some Muslims think Christians are barbaric. Subjective thinking at its finest.

Moreover, how does one go about proving that "Religion A is 'better' than Religion B"?

Anonymous cheddarman December 31, 2015 8:00 PM  

Michael brazier you are wrong in arguing that magic dirt is a strawman argument. Hispanics born in the usa have much higher rates of violent crime, just like Mexicans in Mexico or 1st generation mexicans. Whites have much lower rates of crime like europeans. The dirt of america did not lower their tendecy towards violence. Vox clearly makes the argument in his book.You are making false statements and I am calling you out on it

Anonymous Mrs Green December 31, 2015 8:04 PM  

"Further, appears the first story linked above was written in 2011. Has the Jihadist situation gotten worse in Switzerland since then?"

Where's that new flag?

Oh, and the Trains are just fine!

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 8:28 PM  

Moreover, how does one go about proving that "Religion A is 'better' than Religion B"?

Well, moron, when Religion M has laws about who can have sex with slaves while Religion C has historically always fought against slavery, it is easy.

Anonymous Michael Brazier December 31, 2015 8:36 PM  

@83: Well, I say you are wrong, because in 1914 Woodrow Wilson sent the US Navy to occupy Veracruz, thereby greatly offending the people of Mexico.

Also, I eat cheddar for lunch.

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 8:46 PM  

Some Swedes regret the influx of immigrants.

Anonymous patrick kelly December 31, 2015 8:47 PM  

66. JaimeInTexas :"Did the Swiss fire back?"

Heh, funny, no.

This is a good subject for an ilkish tale tale, most of which is true.

There is a Swiss rifle range somewhere near Salinas CA, where an official California State Militia rifle championship was held. This was some time in the 90's after Waco, but before OK, and there were various militia groups existing in some state of organization in CA at the time.

There was a group out of Oaktown with a beret wearing black dude as its head, and another one out of Santa Cruz lead by some yarmaka wearing jewish feller.

They decided to have a family friendly get together and picnic at the Swiss rifle range along with a bunch of gun shooting, including their official rifle and pistol championships.

To make an already too long barely believable story shorter, I won the rifle championship with a .303 Enfield, and IIRC correctly most of my competition used some kind of SKS or AK variant and 30-30 lever action rifles with a course of fire of 20 rounds at 200yd target, any sights, any position. Not kidding, and no, I was not that awesome, everyone else was that pathetic.

I still have the official certificate to prove it.

Blogger The Other Robot December 31, 2015 8:49 PM  

That link: Some Swedes regret the influx of immigrants.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 01, 2016 4:21 AM  

@60 Isn't that from Big Yellow Taxi?

"Invade paradise,
Put up a great big mosque"

Anonymous Shut up rabbit January 01, 2016 4:28 AM  

@82 Oh piss off Rhetoric Man. Are you a child?

Blogger frenchy January 01, 2016 6:15 AM  

What's even worse is that in Switzerland they recently voted to change their national anthem from a Christian hymn, to something else secular. AND, they are systematically removing their defenses that have been in place for decades to prevent an invasion--road explosives.

Blogger frenchy January 01, 2016 6:17 AM  

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Blogger frenchy January 01, 2016 6:22 AM  

@ Patrick @88,

Did you know that some Enfields come in 7.62 NATO? Ishpor Enfield 2A. Good luck finding a magazine for it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas January 01, 2016 7:36 AM  

These uSA isolationist when Japan attack the base in the Hawaiian Colony? You should read a few history books and learn something.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling January 01, 2016 9:08 AM  

@92 frenchy:

What's even worse is that in Switzerland they ... are systematically removing their defenses that have been in place for decades to prevent an invasion--road explosives.

Do you mean they're filling in the hollow parts of their road system so explosives can't be as easily placed in case of war? They aren't normally filled with explosives, there are limits to shelf-stability, and you wouldn't want to leave a lot of explosives lying around unguarded.

Blogger frenchy January 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

@ 96. No. They are removing the explosives, at least in Vaud they are, and not replacing them. So no more ability to block a path. I understand the issue of shelf stability, but you would/could rotate them out. They are getting rid of the explosive charges in their entirety. My impression, from my friend who lives there, is that many Swiss have gotten comfortable with peace and think nothing bad will ever happen again. After all, defense costs money and the folks in charge want to spend money on their pet projects, instead of defense. Heck, there's even a large movement among women down there trying to implement more gun control. They tried something about a year ago and it failed.

Anonymous Rhetoric Man January 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

“Well, moron, when Religion M has laws about who can have sex with slaves while Religion C has historically always fought against slavery, it is easy.”

You mean all those southron Christians who owned slaves, as well as their northern counterparts, never had intercourse with their “property”? That they worked tirelessly destroy the “peculiar institution”? That Spanish and Portuguese Christian sailors said “No thanks” to developing the European slave trade?



Furthermore, “Religion M” condemned slavery.

http://www.renaissance.com.pk/mared95.html

Anonymous rubberducky January 01, 2016 1:50 PM  

Re:Muslims not able to maintain the lands they conquer. I recently became familiar with the story of Aaron Aaronsohn, an agronomist who figured prominently in the tales of TE Lawrence and the establishment of modern Israel. The task he tackled was mainly to make Palestine bountiful again. Judea was a Promised Land in biblical times, fruitful and bountiful. Land of milk and honey. It was a top producing Roman province, too. Centuries of Ottoman rule reduced it to ruin. Aaronsohn studied to learn ancient techniques that had fallen to the side, and to apply modern ones. The results are astonishing. Jaffa, for example, was a cheap and nonproductive backwater that the Jews bought up on the cheap, and literally terraformed into Tel Aviv. This was happening all over Palestine. I think a big part of Arab resentment relies on the embarrassment that the infidels not only settled on Muslim lands, but that they did what Muslims could not do with the land. They brought success.

Anonymous The SPY January 01, 2016 1:57 PM  

"You mean all those southron Christians who owned slaves, as well as their northern counterparts, never had intercourse with their “property”?"

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Just because you consider them Christian doesn't mean that they ever were.

PS: How many hospitals and orphanages have you atheists and rationalists built this century? What I thought.

Blogger Raziel Walker January 01, 2016 2:27 PM  

Ah yes the Helevtic flag.

Long live wikipedia:
represented an early attempt to impose a central authority over Switzerland, which until then had consisted of self-governing cantons united by a loose military alliance.

The French invaded Switzerland... The interference with localism and traditional liberties was deeply resented...Resistance was strongest in the more traditional Catholic bastions... the Swiss resented their loss of local democracy, the new taxes, the centralization and the hostility to religion...

The period of the Helvetic Republic is still very controversial within Switzerland.... the Republic also marked a time of foreign domination and revolution... For the cantons of Bern, Schwyz and Nidwalden it was a time of military defeat followed by occupation and military suppression. In 1995, the Federal Parliament chose not to celebrate the 200 year anniversary of the Helvetic Republic.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 02, 2016 12:12 AM  

Long live wikipedia:
REALLY ?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY January 02, 2016 12:25 AM  

PS: How many hospitals and orphanages have you atheists and rationalists built this century? What I thought.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT.

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