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Friday, December 18, 2015

It's all too telling

Mike Glyer announces the incipient publication of There Will Be War Vol. X on Monday. SJWs at File 770 respond accordingly:
CORA: from my West European POV, listing the military ranks of several of the contributors along with their names looks very weird. But I guess the target audience expects that sort of thing.

JERRY POURNELLE: Military ranks are shown for military contributors of non-fiction. i can think of no reason why they should not be.

SANDDORN: Aren’t you leaving out several Dr. or PhDs, you know, real titles?
As opposed to fake titles like LtCol, Col., Lt. Col., and CDR? Unbelievable. SJWs are even more despicable than you probably imagined.

But that tells you everything you need to know about SJWs. All that matters to them is sitting obediently in a classroom, regurgitating information like a good and properly programmed little girl.

The reason military titles are used for the non-fiction contributors, and are not used for the fiction contributors (some of whom happen to possess them), is that if one is writing on the subject of, say, modifying the U.S. Navy's fleet composition, one tends to have just a little more credibility on the subject if one is, in fact, an officer in the U.S. Navy intimately familiar with the pros and cons of the current composition.

This doesn't mean that military rank is the only credential worth taking seriously; the fact that the U.S. Marines think so highly of a certain contributor that they have a terrain feature on their training grounds named after him is arguably even more indicative of someone whose opinion you would do well to at least grant serious consideration. And if another contributor's work is declared to be doctrine by an armed force, well, then, you simply shut up, read, and learn.

But neither a general's stars nor a doctorate means a damn thing when it comes to writing fiction. There, the work must stand alone.

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77 Comments:

Anonymous roo_ster December 18, 2015 1:21 PM  

Is there any sort so provicial as a sjw?

Blogger horsewithnonick December 18, 2015 1:26 PM  

I'm just dumbfounded that this needed to be spelled out, even for the special snowflakes at File 770.

OpenID jeffro December 18, 2015 1:32 PM  

Oh no. They're telling Jerry Pournelle that they won't by the book because it's being done with Castalia House. What if he gets cold feet because of that?!

Blogger Dave December 18, 2015 1:35 PM  

Eventually Dr. Pournelle may correctly identify the publishing house or not.

Blogger Byron Grimes December 18, 2015 1:42 PM  

They just don't get that their publishers won't point Pournelle or Anderson do they? This is a case where our money talks much louder than their lack thereof.

Blogger Subversive Saint #249 December 18, 2015 1:45 PM  

Given the fact that most Officers above the rank of O-4 have masters degrees already, these special snowflakes risk a double whammy of dread if the authors credentials were fully listed. I can't even recall how many double-majors, multiple masters, and doctoral candidates I've met in my time supporting the Air Force.

Blogger Jourdan December 18, 2015 1:46 PM  

Oh, my God, that is horrible, what idiots these fools are.

You know, this is really the U.S.' fault; by taking over all military matters we've allowed this sort of foolishness to grow in Europe.

Blogger VD December 18, 2015 1:47 PM  

Obviously Mr. Pournelle should have waited a few more decades for a proper SJW publisher to deign to release his filthy right-wing political screeds to the unwashed masses.

Blogger maniacprovost December 18, 2015 1:48 PM  

I don't read Vernor Vinge because he's some kind of fancy scientist or something. But if I were reading a journal on artificial intelligence for engineering design, then I would want to know his credentials.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 18, 2015 1:50 PM  

One's background & experience can provide context to their position. For example, anyone working in Climate "Science" earns his or her living via the government grant system.

It's always worthwhile knowing to whom someone is economically beholden, whether it appears to affect their opinion or not.

Blogger NMA December 18, 2015 1:52 PM  

One of the comments over there accuses Vox of "trying to destroy fannish activities". I'm guessing they're referring to his opposition to child molestation.

Blogger S1AL December 18, 2015 1:52 PM  

The commenters, they are so triggered. Thanks, Vox, this made my day.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 18, 2015 1:53 PM  

Aren’t you leaving out several Dr. or PhDs, you know, real titles?

Anonymous Homesteader December 18, 2015 1:54 PM  

The objectors all seem to be distaff. Social reinforcement of the Narrative? In group signalling?
Moral posturing?
Rabbits gonna rabbit...

Anonymous Coal Fired Brisket December 18, 2015 1:56 PM  

Just bought 4 Castalia books as Christmas Gifts due to Sanddorn. Enjoy my heckle shekels.

Blogger Dave December 18, 2015 1:56 PM  

Is this a roundabout way of letting the new release members know we should be checking our inboxes?

Blogger VD December 18, 2015 1:58 PM  

Is this a roundabout way of letting the new release members know we should be checking our inboxes?

No. Check them Monday morning.

Blogger Jourdan December 18, 2015 2:02 PM  

The thought of a PhD being more accomplished than, say, a Navy Captain is hilarious.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2015 2:02 PM  

Mental and emotional wrecks to a tee

Blogger Dave December 18, 2015 2:03 PM  

Coal Fired Brisket you're as eeeeevil as the blackness inside your coal fired stove. Somewhere SJWs are cursing you name.

Stevil that goes without saying.

Blogger Dexter December 18, 2015 2:06 PM  

If the subject is decimation and crucifixion, it is appropriate to list the dates of your consulate and how many triumphs you have been granted.

Blogger Dexter December 18, 2015 2:08 PM  

The thought of a PhD being more accomplished than, say, a Navy Captain is hilarious.

Meh. Depends on the PhD and the Captain.

Uninteresting retired O-6s are a dime a dozen in Washington.

Anonymous pdimov December 18, 2015 2:11 PM  

Aren’t you leaving out several Dr. or PhDs, you know, real titles?

Summer titles. Winter is coming.

Blogger Jourdan December 18, 2015 2:11 PM  

@22 I don't disagree. As a former enlisted sailor, I have found most Navy officers to be just not very good at what they do.

It's just that your average PhD doesn't even rise to THAT level.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 18, 2015 2:12 PM  

"Trying to Destroy Fannish Activities"? If your fannish activity is making sure Authors and Titles from Tor Publishing win all the Hugos, the Puppies of all degree of health helped rain on your parade.

Anonymous DT December 18, 2015 2:13 PM  

Aren’t you leaving out several Dr. or PhDs, you know, real titles?

Sometimes the Horse Laugh is not a fallacy.

Anonymous Soga December 18, 2015 2:18 PM  

Over there, they said CH (they mean Vox) would have been on the side of Talibans during the Cold War.

Morons. "Know your enemy" doesn't apply one bit to them.

Blogger sysadmn December 18, 2015 2:19 PM  

I'm utterly unsurprised they do not recognize the "End of History" reference, then rush in to bleat about the freeing of Eastern Europe; they seem to forget which side of the Cold War their side was on.

Anonymous Viidad December 18, 2015 2:20 PM  

Dave

You should know by now that person of The Dark Lord and the word "roundabout" are so far apart as to stretch the boundaries of the universe.

Anonymous WillBest December 18, 2015 2:29 PM  

Why stop at PhDs? Why not go full twitter handle

Feminist, author, cleaner, chef, chauffer, wife, mother.

Blogger FALPhil December 18, 2015 2:31 PM  

@25 That wasn't rain.

Blogger Jeffro December 18, 2015 2:36 PM  

"Someone poured punch in our turd bowl!"

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 18, 2015 2:40 PM  

Dave - Coal Fired Brisket you're as eeeeevil as the blackness inside your coal fired stove

True, but it's not my fault our academic cockwaffle credentialist chum looks like fat Val Kilmer.

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 2:42 PM  

Honestly, if the article is nonfiction about military medicine, or a new application for a technological advancement, The DR or PhD title is probably well warranted.

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 2:45 PM  

@skylark-

"the Puppies of all degree of health helped rain on your parade."

That's not rain.

Blogger James Dixon December 18, 2015 2:47 PM  

> One of the comments over there accuses Vox of "trying to destroy fannish activities". I'm guessing they're referring to his opposition to child molestation.

Probably, but they could be referring to gay marriage, necrophilia, bestiality, or probably half a dozen other hobbies of theirs.

> ...they seem to forget which side of the Cold War their side was on.

Oh, they know quite well who there side was, and it wasn't us.

Anonymous Faceless December 18, 2015 2:47 PM  

@34 Dire Badger

Are any of these people medical doctors?

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/12/there-will-be-volume-x.html

And, remember, File770 commenters wanted PhD instead of, not in addition to, since they didn't view a military rank as something real.

I guess when you really do want to turn into some Azimov government where military ranks equals time served until all of your colonists get hanged from lampposts by a traitor/patriot, I can understand their confusion, but that's not how military ranks work, even with US social mission promotions.

Blogger Watzi Walmoerder December 18, 2015 3:05 PM  

Real titles like Dr. Phil (http://www.drphil.com/)

Blogger jay c December 18, 2015 3:16 PM  

This was pretty funny: Well, Castalia House is on the side that would have supported both the talibans and apartheid south-africa during the cold war, so I’ll keep this book as far away from myself as possible.

You mean the United States of America? 'Cuz that's who was supporting the Taliban and South Africa during the Cold War. Or do you just mean you are too historically ignorant to even know what the Cold War is or who were the participants?

Blogger Culture War Draftee December 18, 2015 3:27 PM  

It's the typical SJW blather. If they had some colonel or lieutenant-commander explaining why diversity makes spaceships fly faster, they'd boast about how the experts were on their side.

Blogger Danby December 18, 2015 3:34 PM  

Real accomplishment, like that exemplified by Dr. Phil Sandifer Ph.D should be lauded. Look how much that man has accomplished, especially compared to some lower-class Bachelor of Science degree holder who led men in combat in Afghanistan.

Blogger VD December 18, 2015 3:38 PM  

In fairness, PedoPhil may have racked up a higher body count than many a soldier. We won't know until they dig up his parents' flower garden to see how many of his special little friends have taken up permanent residence on the property.

Blogger Quadko December 18, 2015 3:52 PM  

Oh, by "real title" I'm sure he means Baron or Marquis or Count, because he's obviously a monarchist with a royalist fetish.

Anonymous Sjonnar December 18, 2015 3:59 PM  

@39
I think he knows exactly what the cold war was, and who the participants were. He just thinks the Soviets were the good guys. It is File 770 after all.

Anonymous daddynichol December 18, 2015 4:03 PM  

Bill Nye, The Science Guy. Now there's a solid scientist. He has a B.S.!

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 18, 2015 4:07 PM  

Apparently Sanddorn on top of being a Gamma is also a Kraut.

A nation of Gammas at this point. Consequently a military rank tends to be perceived as a challenge to their manhoods.

Although on the other hand I never met one that didn't start clicking heels if you were introduced as herr Doctor.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 18, 2015 4:13 PM  

Anyone want to comment on Trump praising Putin today?

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 4:25 PM  

@Faceless-

I am not saying they have a point, I am just saying that if there were a doctor that wrote a nonfiction article that was truly relevant in the book, I am certain that they would be credited.

Bear in mind, all my military career was on the enlisted side. Two of my three captains were social climbers, and the third was terrified of hazing to the point where he forbid the crossing the line ceremony.

My father was a joke of an AF colonel (desk jockey, wrote two useless self help books that he talked the AF into buying) and only my brother, a pilot, was even close to what i would deem a useful officer, and he was a pilot...he never led men. I was amphib navy, so every officer we ever got was dead end material or looking for easy sea time before they got back to their 'real' office jobs.

So, you will have to pardon me if my view of officers is a bit canted towards the concept of waste of rations. The only officers I have ever learned to respect are Warrant officers, and I don't think most academy graduates should be permitted to captain a rowboat.

(BTW, ironically, amphib navy got the worst officers in the fleet, but I would unhesitatingly state that they got some of the best, most professional sailors. Even more than the sub fleet, incompetence in amphib is a good way to gain the nickname 'lefty'. We were also the only sailors who actually regularly engaged in combat outside of the seals. Remember Normandy? The marines may have been the ones getting killed taking the beach, we amphibs were the ones getting killed getting them there.)

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 4:27 PM  

@white knight Leo-

It wasn't the first time. and he was right. Putin is doing right by his country, even if he is giving europe the finger.

Yes, Putin is a despot, but russians have been choosing despots for as llong as their country existed. As russian leaders go, he is probably one of the best they will ever have.

Blogger praetorian December 18, 2015 4:41 PM  

OT: My favorite scene in the new Star Wars

Econ thread when?

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 18, 2015 5:11 PM  

You're favorite scene in the JJ Abrams "Star Wars"? Was it where Luke, Leia, han, and Chewy found they had been in PURGATORY since 1984?

Blogger IsMishe December 18, 2015 5:16 PM  

I clicked the link and read the comments; I feel good about myself. Even more than usual. Thank you!

Blogger Quadko December 18, 2015 5:25 PM  

I'm still amused by Sanddorn chastising Dr. Pournelle for not appropriately honoring "real titles" like PhDs. That's stuck with me all day.

Paper credentials rule the SJW universe! I wonder where he falls on political titles like President, Senator, and Governor? Are they included in his mental model of "real titles"? How about "UN Secretary General?"

Blogger Sam vfm #111 December 18, 2015 5:25 PM  

@50 Try this
STAR WARS PARODY: #SJW Wars

Blogger RobertT December 18, 2015 5:55 PM  

You pointed out some time ago the iq's of the 'real titles' top out around 125. Since their very profession screams 'intelligent', they should be shamed as imposters.

Blogger Elocutioner December 18, 2015 5:58 PM  

Does being mistaken for a badass 6'3" marine (who's outlifted by a teenage girl) count as some sort of title?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 18, 2015 6:08 PM  

Cataline - yes, his real name is Mr Hanke (pronounced like Wanky) and he's from Großcuckland.

Now, I don't mean to be un-Christian to our Continental chums, but I've always viewed Germany with a kind of muted horror, much as one might on noticing the family dog playfully gnawing on a suspiciously anthropomorphic femur he dug up from Phil Sandifer's garden.

Most Deutschlanders are either homosexual suburban cannibals, sweaty, ham-faced dominatrices, coprophages, Augustus Gloop, fat, mulleted tracksuit-wearers, sexy-but-evil blonde archaeologists, pseudointellectual chinfappers in black turtlenecks, Colonel Klink, the bastards who caught Steve McQueen, patent leather shoe sniffers, or the Pied Piper of Hamlin.

Their love of David Hasselhoff and sausages that look like horses' willies means they cannot be considered a civilised or trustworthy people.

And while I wish the Germans no particular harm, I often wonder why we spend billions of pounds a year on our fleet of do-nothing Trident II D5 intercontinental ballistic missiles, while Germany is allowed to remain right there, watching us, like Tim Curry in clown makeup whispering from a drain.

Blogger automatthew December 18, 2015 6:47 PM  

I own several volumes of the There Will Be War series, but I’m not really seeing anything in that list of authors that makes me excited about this one.

Found a liar.

Blogger automatthew December 18, 2015 6:47 PM  

I love Jerry Pournelle’s work. His politics, not so much at this point. But I absolutely will not throw one single penny into that publishing house’s coffers.

And another.

Blogger automatthew December 18, 2015 6:50 PM  

I don’t think I’d buy this even if it wasn’t published by Castalia House.

Found Marston.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr December 18, 2015 7:53 PM  

I'll add that academic and rank credentials don't matter much at the highest level of achievement. There's a point at which creative insight, the muse of genius, trumps all else.

Anonymous Teenage Jail December 18, 2015 7:56 PM  

Notice that Dr. Jerry Pournelle doesn't insist on the use of his title.

This is not surprising. I've met leaders in their fields who go by their first names while holding Nobel Prizes or their equivalents, and arrogant midwit harpies of teachers who demand to be called Doctor for their one-step-above-diploma-mill EdD, but rarely the reverse.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 8:15 PM  

@27 Soga

Over there, they said CH (they mean Vox) would have been on the side of Talibans during the Cold War.
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Well, at least they got two in the same century :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 8:21 PM  

@47 White Knight Leo #0368

Anyone want to comment on Trump praising Putin today?
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Tsk tsk tsk Trump and Putin would have been on the same side as Napoleon in the American Civil War

Blogger Were-Puppy December 18, 2015 8:24 PM  

@48 Dire Badger

The marines may have been the ones getting killed taking the beach, we amphibs were the ones getting killed getting them there.)

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The SJWs probably think you're just a bunch of guys driving boxes full of dudes.

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 8:43 PM  

@Were-Puppy-

Apparently so do most marines :P
I guess desperately working your butt off 20 hours a day trying not to sink in a 140 degree steel box is not as dangerous, even knowing that a single hit will burn or drown every man on board, as walking around in a sandbox.

Even our own marines, who knew damned well that an amphib built in 1959 is anything but a cruise ship, and who were sleeping in their (overcrowded) racks while we fought hurricanes and got shot at while manning .50's, were joking about how we 'played cards and drank coffee in air conditioned comfort while they did the real fighting'.

I understand interservice rivalry, but some of the attitude took the cake. I am just glad our ship's boxing champ kicked the everloving crap out of the marine unarmed combat instructor during a demo match to prove that Krav Maga couldn't hold a candle to a REAL martial art when used by full-sized humans.

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 8:45 PM  

BTW, the seals aren't half as badass as they would like you to believe.

Blogger Dire Badger December 18, 2015 8:55 PM  

My ship. Fast Freddie. USS Frederick LST 1184. The very last LST to be decomissioned. See that Gator on the side of the bow ramp? I did that.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/old/10/1016118415.jpg

another pic in '97. Chances are I was in the picture on watch, as we were on watch and watch at the time.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/old/10/1016118422.jpg


Why don't people take pride in their military anymore?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx December 19, 2015 12:40 AM  

@68. Dire Badger
Why don't people take pride in their military anymore?

With all due and considerable respect, sir, I'll take a crack at that.

1) We the people, or "US persons" as the creeps like to call us, do not have a military. Can't take pride of ownership in something you do not own. You can admire it from afar when and if it is admirable, but that is not the same thing as being proud of it.

2) The US military, regardless of the intentions of its individual members, takes its orders from our enemies, the Bad Guys, not from we the people of the nation. Marine General Smedley Butler explained that a long time ago. Why would you take pride in Goldman Sachs, or in Lockheed's stock price?

3) The US military is all but MIA when it comes to protecting we the people from invasion. I think Vox might have mentioned the invasion? Actually, the military actively aids and abets the invasion by acting as the prod at the source.

Meditate- How many vets have you talked to who have had their Smedley Butler epiphany after leaving the military?

Blogger eharmonica December 19, 2015 2:39 AM  

@62 My local school district is chock full of Dr's. They remind you in every email they send.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx December 19, 2015 4:41 AM  

File 770- Hampus Eckeman on December 18, 2015 at 5:59 am said:

Well, Castalia House is on the side that would have supported both the talibans and apartheid south-africa during the cold war, so I’ll keep this book as far away from myself as possible.

While taking note of what authors want to collaborate with a white supremacist and terrorist admirer.


It is comforting to know that, not only do we understand that our enemies are ridiculous, they in turn do not understand the nature of their enemies.
Sun Tsu explains.

Blogger J Melcher December 19, 2015 12:58 PM  

I request some rhetoric to quote in arguing about the Hugo-worthiness of "The Martian" over "The Force Awakens". My default mode is more rational / dialectic, which may in many venues prove ineffective. I think it important that the Disney consortium NOT get any more validation from fans than they deserve. (Which is to say, admiration is entirely sufficient, rather than adulation which is entirely excessive.)

Like minded rhetoricians, help me out?

Blogger Harold December 19, 2015 5:38 PM  

I've read all the stories in There Will be War Volumes 1-9, at least twice. I do also have a copy of There Won't be War. I don't believe I ever muddled through all the stories.

As for titles, there are over 40,000 PhDs awarded each year. Fiscal year 2016 saw 4,200 CPO selectee's.

s/ MMC USN(ret)

Anonymous KoranBurningFaggot December 19, 2015 8:47 PM  

"Why don't people take pride in their military anymore?"

I was a medic in the military and I tell people don't expect the military to do anything well other than kill people and break things. Now with the Ultra Heavy Black Transvestite Light Infantry I am not even sure about the former.

I guess people might be able to figure out what my old name was off of that.

Blogger SciVo December 19, 2015 9:42 PM  

J Melcher @72:

You've completely missed the point of rhetoric if you think you need to promote one thing over the other. Just emotionally trigger the Disney supporters. There are so many ways to do that, and you can't do any better than Milo Yiannopolis and his Star Wars Is Garbage. Seriously. Just quote him.

Blogger The Other Robot December 20, 2015 11:57 AM  

Some comments on Seven Kill Tiger:

A Mandarin speaker is unlikely to use hak guai and is unlikely to mix Mandarin and Cantonese like that.

Also, I think that it is 大舵手 and not 伟大的舵手.

Other than that, interesting story.

Blogger The Other Robot December 20, 2015 12:14 PM  

I particularly liked the notion that vaccines could be used to deliver deadly viruses.

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