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Thursday, December 10, 2015

It's not conservatism, it's NATIONALISM

The coming Republican civil war on immigration:
"This is not conservatism." With those four simple words, House Speaker Paul Ryan dismissed Republican front-runner Donald Trump's proposal to temporarily ban Muslims from entry into the United States until the federal government gets terrorism committed in the name of Islam figured out.

"This is not what our party stands for," Ryan added, "and, more importantly, it's not what our country stands for."

That may depend on how the party is defined. While elected Republicans have almost unanimously distanced themselves from Trump's Muslim gambit, one poll found that nearly two-thirds of GOP voters agreed with him. Another determined that more than three-fourths believe the United States is accepting too many immigrants from the Middle East.

There is a civil war in the Republican Party on immigration. Those on Trump's side tend to see the enemy as including the party's leadership, consultants, intellectuals and donor class. (The dust-up over Trump and Muslims is likely to bolster that perception.) But they've been courted by other GOP presidential candidates too, including Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Rick Santorum.

Walker is already out of the race and Santorum has stalled in the low single digits. But Cruz is ascendant and Trump has been leading in the New Hampshire polls for a longer period of time than Walker's presidential campaign lasted.

Trump isn't the most articulate or consistent spokesman for immigration control in the GOP. That distinction goes to Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. And Trump's Republican critics would be the first to point out he isn't the most conservative. But his rise has fueled a family argument inside the party about how conservatives should view immigration.

Ryan's position has a long conservative pedigree. He has followed in Jack Kemp's intellectual footsteps. He can cite Ronald Reagan as well. The Wall Street Journal editorial page that championed Kemp and Reagan's tax cuts also called for open borders. Republicans like Ryan tend to see America as a proposition or an idea, defined by the political principles laid out in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. The willingness of immigrants to come here is a testament to the success of those principles. "Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

Restricting immigration, according to these Republicans, isn't conservative because it requires government bureaucracies to interfere in labor markets. Immigration is like free trade and restricting it is like protectionism.
Read that last sentence again. Those who have read Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America will now understand, if they didn't already, why we addressed free trade and immigration in the Immigration and Economics chapter, because the latter, in its open-borders variant, is a subset of the former.

It's interesting, is it not, that the cuckservatives are willing to fight fellow Republicans to the death, but they're always eager to negotiate a genteel surrender with the liberals. Of course, as we showed when discussing the six conservative principles laid out by Russell Kirk, cuckservatives reject the last two.

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189 Comments:

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:04 PM  

The fact is historically... and by that I mean pre-1950... the Deomcrat Party has been the conservative party and the republican party has been the elite liberal party.

the democrats went insane so the conservatives left and went republican... but the republicans never wanted them in the first place.

So we have been looking at this all wrong. We see the new york GOP elites as the outsiders that have taken over the party.

That's not true.

The truth is the conservatives are the outsiders... and they are trying to take over the party.

Its time for the us to have a real conservative nationalist party... something we haven't had since... hell I'm not sure we've ever had.

Anonymous ? December 10, 2015 2:06 PM  

Wait... What are we conserving, again?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:06 PM  

In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. The willingness of immigrants to come here is a testament to the success of those principles. "Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

So what? If there is no advantage to being a citizen of a nation then why should I support it? The immigrants are getting theirs, what about me?

I saw George Will on one of the Fox talking heads shows where he stated that each immigrant is a economic gain for the U.S. That they actually increase the GDP.

Someone else on the panel replied that even if that was true the gain was at the expense of the poor and working classes. She then asked him something along the lines of "is anyone going to address their concerns? Are we just going to forget about them?"

Will had no answer and the host swiftly changed the subject.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:09 PM  

"Wait... What are we conserving, again?"

A nation.

don't think of it as conserving a system or a government.

We're conserving a nation.

Blogger Steven Moss December 10, 2015 2:10 PM  

@2-

Liberty.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:11 PM  

So Will gets his lawn done at less expense because a peasant from Mexico that might not even speak Spanish is willing to work for less money than a U.S. citizen who is not fearful of exportation and is at least vaguely aware that they have actual rights.

But never forget, George and his compadres are in possession of the moral high-ground.

Blogger Rico Suave December 10, 2015 2:14 PM  

We should do to these bastard what they did to Mussolini.

OpenID paworldandtimes December 10, 2015 2:15 PM  

Cuckservatives such as Paul Ryan are exactly what T.S. Eliot described as hollow men. I'm not saying that because I dislike them but because it's evident that unlike SJWs or Democrats, they lack any inner animating passion or belief, no matter how irrational or malevolent. They are temperementaly conservative men who 'believe' what their sponsors tell them to believe. Nobody "believes" in free trade, not to the point of demonstrably ruining his own country.

PA

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:15 PM  

And he can use the money he saved to buy an extra bottle of wine at his favorite Georgetown restaurant, which keeps its costs down by using illegal immigrants to do the scut work around the place.

Its a win-win situation! For George anyway.

Blogger Salt December 10, 2015 2:18 PM  

Its time for the us to have a real conservative nationalist party... something we haven't had since...

Jefferson Davis, Nate.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:18 PM  

And the owner of the restaurant can use the savings to expand his business! Especially since labor costs are so low what with all these "undocumented workers" to exploit. Oops, I mean partner with. And thus the GDP grows!

Anonymous WillBest December 10, 2015 2:18 PM  

So what you are saying Nate is that after 240 years of just floundering around the US can finally get down to business?

Anonymous Geoff December 10, 2015 2:20 PM  

Libertarian nationalism, baby.

Blogger Rabbi B December 10, 2015 2:21 PM  

In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. The willingness of immigrants to come here is a testament to the success of those principles. "Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

What is this supposed to mean? Plunging into uncertainty? Yeah, let the Muslims continue plunging themselves into uncertainty, just not on our soil.

Blogger JartStar December 10, 2015 2:21 PM  

The pro-immigration crowd is terrified of the borders being closed for even one month because they know they will extremely difficult to re-open policywise, and most people who were undecided will like them being closed in time.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 10, 2015 2:22 PM  

You should really include the rest of Glenn's snippet, VD.

Adherents of the other immigration view tend to see America as a historic people, not an ideological abstraction. They also look at immigration as the pre-eminent national security issue. They may not go as far as Trump, but they worry less about the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria than the Islamic State in San Bernardino.

According to this side of the argument, too much immigration can also alter the political character of the host country. . . Effecting such a transformation at the national level, these Republicans argue, would frustrate just about every conservative policy objective and instead validate the thesis of hopeful progressive polemics like The Emerging Democratic Majority.

To these conservatives, current immigration policy is less like free trade than corporate welfare.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 10, 2015 2:25 PM  

And look at all the money that is added to the GDP by firing U.S. citizens from IT jobs and using foreign workers! Sure, people will stop going into the field and we will end up being completely dependent on half-trained foreigners (are we still allowed to use that word) to maintain the IT infrastructure, but what could be the downside of that?

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:27 PM  

"So what you are saying Nate is that after 240 years of just floundering around the US can finally get down to business?"

well that's assuming you believe the US actually IS a nation.

The founders really didn't in my opinion. They had deep concerns that the people of the north and south couldn't share a government... which is one reason they fought to limit it so much. They hoped by preserving state's power they could get the different populations to get along.

I myself am even less convinced than they are.

We're not 1 nation.

We're probably not even 2 or 3 nations.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:28 PM  

what I'm saying is.. Manifest Destiny was bullshit.

Anonymous The OASF December 10, 2015 2:29 PM  

@1 Nate

Yes. The GOP, after all, is the party of Lincoln and last officeholder to even resemble a US President was Ronnie Ray-Gun... and I'm sure we've all heard of the Ray-Gun Democrats.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 10, 2015 2:29 PM  

@18

If we still had federalism, that wouldn't be a problem.

Anonymous Huh December 10, 2015 2:29 PM  

The fact is historically... and by that I mean pre-1950... the Deomcrat Party has been the conservative party and the republican party has been the elite liberal party.

So Wilson and FDR were conservatives? Interesting.

Anonymous ? December 10, 2015 2:31 PM  

Wait... What are we conserving, again?

(The question was directed sarcastically at Ryan, not to you lot.)

Anonymous Stingray December 10, 2015 2:31 PM  

the cuckservatives are willing to fight fellow Republicans to the death, but they're always eager to negotiate a genteel surrender with the liberals.

This is interesting. It's like people not fearing Christians today because they believe those Christians won't fight back. The Cukservatives do not think the militant right will fight back yet they fear the words of the SJWs.

I think they are in for a rude awakening.

Anonymous DNW December 10, 2015 2:32 PM  

The excerpt was I thought a pretty decent explication of the ideas in play. Frankly, until recently, I had never heard the US described as a propositional "nation".

I suppose that is the manner in which bow tie conservatives try and inject some meaning into their use of the term "nation" when, given the ideology of the speaker, any use connoting a traditional reference becomes blatantly absurd. So it becomes: 'Please understand that we don't really mean any particular people when we say nation ... but rather a glorious idea to which all men by their nature may relate ... not that there really is a human nature which all men share ... but ...'

The following passage describes a particularly precious notion: "In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. The willingness of immigrants to come here is a testament to the success of those principles. "Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

Yeah it takes real guts to hack a farm out of the wilderness ...

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Native-Households

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 2:36 PM  

"President was Ronnie Ray-Gun... and I'm sure we've all heard of the Ray-Gun Democrats. "

See.. I'd take it back further. The Bourbon Democrats. That's a group of guys I could get with.

Blogger Dexter December 10, 2015 2:36 PM  

In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness.

I don't believe it specifies a right to pursue happiness in any particular place, or at the expense of other people already living in America, but that's probably in the emanations and penumbras or something.


"Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

The are absolutely certain that they will be eligible for government services and benefits when they get here. Go, entrepreneurs!

Average Joe: "Hey, my taxes are increasing, the schools are getting worse, and class sizes are increasing because each immigrant family can't even come close to paying the average cost to educate each of their kids."

George Will: "So? Send your kids to private schools like I did."

Anonymous The OASF December 10, 2015 2:38 PM  

@25 Nate

True. But that was my big chance to say Ronnie Ray-Gun.

Anonymous daddynichol December 10, 2015 2:39 PM  

...George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

Uncertainty? There's no uncertainty, not with all the federal and state social benefits afforded illegals. George Will is disgusting.

Blogger Dexter December 10, 2015 2:40 PM  

It is wrong, and no doubt racist, for America to deprive the world of its best and bravest entrepreneurial spirits.

I, personally, care too much to allow Syria to lose all its potentially successful small business owners.

Blogger S1AL December 10, 2015 2:44 PM  

@Nate - Just off the top of my head, I can think of justification for 9-10, and some of those are in the process of fracturing.

Anonymous joe doakes December 10, 2015 2:45 PM  

I had to laugh at the last line, as I finished Cuckservative only last night and the issue was fresh in my mind. Wow, nailed it, Vox.

Blogger icr December 10, 2015 2:49 PM  

Restricting immigration, according to these Republicans, isn't conservative because it requires government bureaucracies to interfere in labor markets. Immigration is like free trade and restricting it is like protectionism.

NAFTA, WTO, etc. don't have bureaucracies and regulations? The question answers itself.

Blogger ajw308 (#98) December 10, 2015 2:52 PM  

This is not conservatism, it will not roll over and fold at the first challenge. Well, that's pretty obvious Mr. Ryan.

Blogger darkdoc December 10, 2015 2:54 PM  

Each immigrant represents:

1. A potential voter.
2. A business opportunity or cheap employee.
3. A new customer.
4. A taxpayer.
5. A military recruit.
6. A government program.
7. A foil to oppose all those who are nationalistic.

Not hard to see why liberals and cuckservatives love 'em. Threat to your very life and lifestyle never quite makes the list.

Blogger White Devil December 10, 2015 2:54 PM  

I genuinely can't remember when I saw an online newspaper with a website I wanted to read.

Immigration is like free trade and restricting it is like protectionism.

And thanks to the wisdom of crowds, this is something most Americans have already come to understand.

Blogger ScottD December 10, 2015 3:04 PM  

IMHO, the nut of the problem is that, while we may not be one nation (even 3 or 4 as Nate suggests), the nations are not state-based. The nations are intermixed with primary differences between high-density urban & college town vs. everyone else.

Blogger CM December 10, 2015 3:09 PM  

In this telling, immigration affirms the truths we hold to be self-evident, particularly that all men are created equal and the unalienable right to the pursuit of happiness.

I feel violated. Can I claim Rape?

Lady Liberty is being raped. By an elephant. With a moon and star.

Anonymous Bobby Farr December 10, 2015 3:09 PM  

Is George Will high? What risk is involved in leaving 3rd world dumps to come to the US? That is basically like saying going to a soup kitchen for a free meal is "entrepreneurial". The isn't the 18th century where the middle classes of the most advanced nations are picking up to relocate to a rural backwater with no welfare state.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 10, 2015 3:10 PM  

Actually, I think it IS conservatism. We're conserving the United States, instead of importing a truckload of people to take our countrymen's jobs and consume the welfares that I'm overtaxed to pay for.

Vox, I think "Cuckservative" may not have been harsh enough on that point. That the open borders gang is taking food from the mouths of their countrymen and even their own children to feed the horde of immigrants. It's one thing to share your own meal. It's a very different matter to starve your own kids so the food can be given to someone else.

Blogger Danby December 10, 2015 3:14 PM  

@37 CM
With a moon and star.
How will I know now that I've gone too far?
You're bound to know when the bullet hits the bone.

Anonymous A Visitor December 10, 2015 3:22 PM  

"Ryan's position has a long conservative pedigree. He has followed in Jack Kemp's intellectual footsteps. He can cite Ronald Reagan as well. The Wall Street Journal editorial page that championed Kemp and Reagan's tax cuts also called for open borders. Republicans like Ryan tend to see America as a proposition or an idea, defined by the political principles laid out in the Constitution and Declaration of Independence."

We don't care.

"Restricting immigration, according to these Republicans, isn't conservative because it requires government bureaucracies to interfere in labor markets. Immigration is like free trade and restricting it is like protectionism."

This reminds me of my grad school level econ class taught by a Hindu. He made a point of showing that not everything good economically is good politically. Ryan, Will, etc. could learn a thing or two from that.

"According to this side of the argument, too much immigration can also alter the political character of the host country. It has already changed California from a state that twice elected Reagan governor and five times gave its electoral votes to Reagan and Richard Nixon to one where Barack Obama twice exceeded 60 percent of the vote."

Per Limbaugh yesterday, 70% of Muslims vote Democrat; 70% of Hispanics vote Democrat.

"This is not conservatism.' With those four simple words, House Speaker Paul Ryan..." showed his irrelevance.

@1 Similarly, pre-1965 this nation was 90% white.

@2 'Merica! Don't ya know?

@7 Rico...ah ey ah ey...Suave...

@17 Oh, I don't know, maybe the fact that if we don't support their country of origin they'll sabotage our systems. Oh, that'd never happen.

Blogger Jack Ward December 10, 2015 3:26 PM  

Before Ryan was elected to the speakership I warned my first term congressman, Gary Palmer, I would not be happy if he voted for this guy. He did anyway. Now, due to this and some other crap, I will be voting against him in the primary. I think it not so bad an idea to always vote out the incumbent politician. You might lose the occasional decent political animal; but, not that often.

Blogger Dexter December 10, 2015 3:29 PM  

Immigration is like letting people come into your house, steal your stuff, and violate your women, and restricting it is like locking your doors and protecting your property and loved ones.

Simple economics!

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 3:32 PM  

"@1 Similarly, pre-1965 this nation was 90% white. "

yep.

But don't forget Operation Wetback. This isn't as new a problem as people think.

Blogger Danby December 10, 2015 3:33 PM  

Kathy Shaidel always says "Allowing Muslim immigration is like hiding Nazis in your attic during WWII"

Anonymous Ryan December 10, 2015 3:47 PM  

What kind of men allow this to happen?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/10/rotherham-grooming-ring-targeted-teenagers-over-three-decades-court-told

Left unsaid is the fact the girls are white.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 3:48 PM  

Ryan is more of an idealist than a realist. A believer in the Randite Libertarianism.

I used to be one myself. The problem with that is it's intrinsic amorality. I used to view that as feature rather than bug. Times change.

Ryan is stuck in the Washington bubble and is completely enslaved by the Overton Window.

I'm not wild about Trump but at least he smashed the Overton
Window.

Nobody else could. In fact nobody else was even thinking about it.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 10, 2015 3:48 PM  

@38 Middle class? Not hardly.

"Immigration during the first five years of the 1850s reached a level five times greater than a decade earlier. Most of the new arrivals were poor Catholic peasants or laborers from Ireland and Germany who crowded into the tenements of large cities. Crime and welfare costs soared. Cincinnati's crime rate, for example, tripled between 1846 and 1853 and its murder rate increased sevenfold. Boston's expenditures for poor relief rose threefold during the same period."
— James M. McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom, p. 131.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 4:01 PM  

Did everyone just learn the term Overton Window? This reminds me of way back when everyone decided that using the word gravitas made them sound smart.

Blogger FP December 10, 2015 4:02 PM  

I have the image in my head today of these cuckservatives chanting at a sit-in rally, "What does conservatism look like? This is what con-serva-tism looks like!" #CuckLivesMatter

"Immigration is like free trade and restricting it is like protectionism."

Yeah, so how goes the fight against obamacare GOP? Repealed yet?

I just posted this in the Trump thread but I have to repeat it:

http://i.imgur.com/IaILfjj.jpg

America says Trump is right. Who would've thought?

Blogger S1AL December 10, 2015 4:05 PM  

@48 - I can't say I'm surprised to discover that you don't know the difference between "18th century" and "1800's".

Anonymous Hrw-500 December 10, 2015 4:18 PM  

@1, Nate
"The truth is the conservatives are the outsiders... and they are trying to take over the party."

That reminds me of that video from Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars who said "Conservatism is the new counter-culture". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irbu2-kuikA

OpenID sigbouncer December 10, 2015 4:19 PM  

It's ashame that CIA asset and Professor Emeritus Chalmers Johnson isn't still around. I would have really liked to read his take on what is going on today, 5 years after his passing.

Blogger Phillip George December 10, 2015 4:25 PM  

In all this there is an assumption that the liberal can teach immigrants to be 'good' muslims. That they can monitor, arrest or prevent 'bad' muslims/ militaristic or jihardi literalists.

Just think about that.
Think about that till it hurts.

If you can do it you better start.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 4:26 PM  

@40 Danby
You're bound to know when the bullet hits the bone.
---

+1980s

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 4:27 PM  

"@48 - I can't say I'm surprised to discover that you don't know the difference between "18th century" and "1800's"."

How did we not have pool going on this?

Anonymous VFM #39 December 10, 2015 4:31 PM  

And now it is confirmed that the red wing of the uni-party considers human beings to be mere commodities. The only difference between the red and the blue wings are who gets lucky enough be commoditized after birth.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 4:32 PM  

"In all this there is an assumption that the liberal can teach immigrants to be 'good' muslims. That they can monitor, arrest or prevent 'bad' muslims/ militaristic or jihardi literalists."

and there is no convincing other wise. They'll continue believing it the whole time the raghead is sawing their heads off.

Blogger John Wright December 10, 2015 4:33 PM  

@2
The enemy is totalitarian in political theory, socialist in economics, antinomian in morals and ethics, antichristian in religion, and nihilist in metaphysics.

All of these things are innovations. The legal traditions of this nation have always been based on Anglo-American Common Law, on free market economics, Christian morals and ethics, Greco-Roman philosophy, especially a rationalist metaphyics, that is, the dogma that the cosmos is rational and human civilization should be based on rational hence just laws.

What we wish to preserve, in short, is Western Civilization.

Anonymous Goodnight December 10, 2015 4:35 PM  

I, personally, care too much to allow Syria to lose all its potentially successful small business owners.

Hilarious

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 4:41 PM  

Breaking!

According to Bob Costa. The GOP is planning to go full retard and split the party.

National GOP leaders now preparing for a brokered convention, per multiple sources. 20+ huddled Monday w/ Priebus and McConnell

Blogger Groot December 10, 2015 4:42 PM  

Some things change, some things don't.

The Byzantine Empire had been confiscating the goods of thousands of Venetians and imprisoning them. Accompanying the Doge of Venice on a retaliatory mission was an old man, Enrico Dandolo. The mission was hit by plague and was a disaster. So the Venetian mob killed the Doge (I know!), and Dandolo was appointed ambassador to Byzantium.

The Empire blinded him (supposedly), the Byzantines continued to be predatory assholes, but he continued to serve as ambassador.

Cuck, right?

No: 33 years later, now Doge, he returns, still blind and in his 90s, and sacks Constantinople!

Byzantium had its Narrative ("Shut up"), but Dandolo had an alt-Narrative and the sack to force it into the Overton Window. (Yes, I get my own pun.)

Blogger B.J. December 10, 2015 4:43 PM  

Establishment GOP is trying to sell New Coke, hoping to trick Pepsi Drinkers in switching to their product. Yet all they are succeeding at is pissing off loyal Coke drinkers.

Anonymous Goodnight December 10, 2015 4:44 PM  

Did everyone just learn the term Overton Window? This reminds me of way back when everyone decided that using the word gravitas made them sound smart.

I'd heard the term years ago but had completely forgotten it until people began using it to describe the Trumpian change in public debate. I think a lot of people are picking it up as shorthand to describe the whole "Trump is getting popular saying hatefacts, and now other people will too" phenomenon. (Hatefacts is by far my favorite Steve Sailerism.)

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 4:45 PM  

Well, if they insist on flooding this country with islamic zerg bases, then my new theme song will be this

Anonymous WillBest December 10, 2015 4:55 PM  

A brokered convention... Is that like where Trump is the GOP nominee and we get Rubio instead of Cruz for VP like they made Reagan take Bush?

Or is that like where the GOP decides Hillary Clinton is going to be the next President and the upcoming civil war gets moved forward from the mid 2030s to the late 2020s?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 4:58 PM  

@1 "The truth is the conservatives are the outsiders... and they are trying to take over the party."
@2 "Wait... What are we conserving, again?"

Conservative can also mean restoring -- Dictionary.com's definition #1 is: 1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So it is perfectly reasonable to call someone who (e.g.) wishes to apply constitutional limits to government as 'conservative'... just as it is perfectly reasonable to call someone who wished to preserve the status quo 'conservative'.

A similar ambiguity for diametrically opposed meaning exists with 'liberal' as well, as someone who is an individualist has [classical] liberal leanings.

Perhaps better terminology would be to use collectivist/individualist or statist/libertarian dichotomies rather than the left/right or liberal/conservative ones.

Anonymous Nemur December 10, 2015 4:59 PM  

Sucks for you guys that almost all People of Colour disagree with you

http://verysmartbrothas.com/its-confirmed-bad-ass-kick-ass-black-female-lawyers-won-2015/

You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?

OpenID joshtheaspie December 10, 2015 5:01 PM  

So, presuming that Cruz is the nominee rather than Trump, I am currently looking over a rather glaring part of his resume. He's got two daughters, and no sons. I don't know whether his wife aborted their sons, or if it's just 'luck of the draw' but this is a concern for me.

One of the best indicators of whether a man with children will throw other men under the buss is the sex of his children. Some have even outright said "I know this is wrong, I know this is unfair, but I have to look out for my daughters".

So I'm currently trying to figure out if that disqualifies Cruz enough that I'd go shopping third party, or not bother to vote, and go train at the gun range instead (which is a distinct possibility atm).

I was looking for a few thoughts from the androsphere on this.

Blogger CM December 10, 2015 5:03 PM  

upcoming civil war gets moved forward from the mid 2030s to the late 2020s?

Well... I have good news! Last night, I walked my 6yo son through a confession of faith (Catechesis style).

Anonymous Roundtine December 10, 2015 5:07 PM  

Sucks for you guys that almost all People of Colour disagree with you

It would suck if we cared what they think or how they vote.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 10, 2015 5:09 PM  

My first time to hear the term Overton Window.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:10 PM  

"You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?"

you know you're at the blog of the guy who just wrote a book on this right?

Blogger Hammerli280 December 10, 2015 5:15 PM  

@61 Cataline:

Not quite. This happened in 1976. Neither Reagan nor Ford had enough delegates to secure the nomination on the first ballot...it took half the night and a truckload of talk before they settled on Ford.

It's quite possible this time. Right now, Trump has ~35% support. Nobody else has more than 20%, but even the 1-2% candidates may stay in the race. If nobody comes to the convention with enough delegates, the floor is wide open. The deal-making begins, and we see if Trump's skills in this area are as good as his marketing. In theory, the convention could even throw the whole lot of candidates out and nominate someone off the radar screen. (FWIW, I will cheerfully accept the nomination)

The key will be keeping the dickering on the level. I think Trump can deal with being beat in an honest horse-race. It's a cheat he won't put up with.

Blogger White Devil December 10, 2015 5:18 PM  

This reminds me of my grad school level econ class taught by a Hindu. He made a point of showing that not everything good economically is good politically.
Notice no one has to say this about Chemistry or Art History. If anyone told you the the properties of Boron or Pointillism meant they were right about public policy, they'd ask you how and if you had proof and had it had worked before.

My first time to hear the term Overton Window.
I'm already sick of it, but at least it's not "low info voter."

Blogger Salt December 10, 2015 5:18 PM  

Saw news out today, the middle class is now below 50%. In ~1970 it was 61%.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:21 PM  

"The key will be keeping the dickering on the level. I think Trump can deal with being beat in an honest horse-race. It's a cheat he won't put up with."

I mean look guys they pulled shit to screw 3 different state winners to give the thing to Romney.

Why wouldn't they do it again to Trump?

Split the party? That just means they lose... and it looks to me like they are fine with losing.

Blogger ScottD December 10, 2015 5:21 PM  

I have two daughters and no sons. I have no interest in throwing other men under the bus, because I want there to be good men for them to marry. I also don't want them to be neurotic and stressed all the time trying to play both male and female roles in life.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:22 PM  

The hope would be... they pull shenanigans... Trump leaves... forms a new nationalist political party... and we go from there.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 5:23 PM  

@74

If Trump has the largest plurality and does not get the nomination.

I am expecting him to split the party.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 5:24 PM  

Mind you. I'm not blaming him either.

Blogger S1AL December 10, 2015 5:26 PM  

I find it curious that nobody is taking about Cruz right now - he's positioned himself just slightly more centrist than Trump on every issue, and he's gaining slowly. I'm beginning to think he's the only talented politician in the whole race.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:31 PM  

"I find it curious that nobody is taking about Cruz right "

There is only some many hours in the day...and everyone loves talking about the constraversy. Normally that's Cruz... but now its Trump.

You have other issues as well. The party hates Cruz. Some say they hate him more than they hate Trump.

Blogger ScottD December 10, 2015 5:32 PM  

Cruz is the smartest in the pack, and his plan all along has been to draft behind Trump, and avoid alienating any other delegates supporters. From the beginning he treated Trump and his supporters with respect.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 10, 2015 5:33 PM  

@82. S1AL

He polls well enough positively and more importantly there isn't strong resistance to him from anyone except the Establishment. And if given a choice between Cruz and Trump they will sob hysterically and finally back Cruz.

Conventional wisdom would indicate that it would be Cruz.

But it must be remembered conventional wisdom has had a bad run of luck for the last twenty years.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:33 PM  

In the backs of their minds.. I can't help but think that the establishment looks at Trump like Reagan.

Remember Ronnie had all kinds of big plans about what to do about this and that.

Then he got shot.

And when he got better he never talked about cutting the department of education or the department of energy again.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 10, 2015 5:34 PM  

heads shows where he stated that each immigrant is a economic gain for the U.S. That they actually increase the GDP.

Yea an HIV+ Somali moslem eats up $60,000 worth of aids meds a month. Increase the GDP by $1 but leech 6-7 figure benefits.

Nate- what I'm saying is.. Manifest Destiny was bullshit.

Manifest Destiny= White Privilege= K style evolution.

"Immigration," ... George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

Not with the welfare state. There are white people who can't get welfare because they are not willing to lie, but moslem refusegees are moving into nice section 8 houses, and permawelfare. Refusegees are entitled to more benefits than citizens.

34Each immigrant represents: 1.

8. Cheap rough trade picked up outside the home depot.

Did everyone just learn the term Overton Window?

Just be happy ideas get out, when I hear someone call Obama "bath house Barry" I don't point out some people used it before 2008.

In all this there is an assumption that the liberal can teach immigrants to be 'good' muslims

They think letting them have porn and booze will make them more liberal instead of wanting to blow themselves up near infidels to make sure they get their perpetual orgy with 72 virgins.

and there is no convincing other wise. They'll continue believing it the whole time the raghead is sawing their heads off.

Kevin Sutherland's last words "Not All Blacks Are Like That"

68Nemur You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?

Who will feed the monkeys when there are not enough white men? East Asians sure wont, and they are the only other people capable of contributing towards a 1st world environment. Thanks for another site to get banned from, unless the moderators heads explode.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 5:37 PM  

"Manifest Destiny= White Privilege= K style evolution."

And this is what you don't get. White isn't white.

Micheal Bloomberg and Jeff Sessions are both white. They ain't the same. In any way shape or form.

We're not one nation. We never will be one nation.

Blogger David-093 December 10, 2015 5:39 PM  

"You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon"

First day on the job eh? You're not supposed to come out and say it, you're supposed to deny that whites are being replaced, then immediately say that even if we are we deserve it. Saying what's really on your mind is for right-wingers.

Blogger White Devil December 10, 2015 5:40 PM  

BigGaySteve is correct. If whites decline, so does the white guilt angle. BLM might be the Democrats last squeeze for black votes before they end their pretenses.

Blogger Sam Lively December 10, 2015 5:41 PM  

@49

Trump opened the Overton Window wide enough to include the Overton Window.

Blogger Unknown December 10, 2015 5:44 PM  

@68: ``You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?''

You'll starve.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 10, 2015 5:45 PM  

You should pray that you are wrong; America as you know it is an invention of white men, and is unlikely to continue in a recognizable form after their decline.

Blogger Danby December 10, 2015 5:53 PM  

@61 Cataline
National GOP leaders now preparing for a brokered convention, per multiple sources. 20+ huddled Monday w/ Priebus and McConnell

National GOP leaders are hoping for a brokered convention...
FTFY

Blogger Dave December 10, 2015 5:54 PM  

Yes yes but will Trump's large plurality fit through the Overton Window?

Blogger S1AL December 10, 2015 5:54 PM  

@85 / @83 - Yeah, the weird part is how they're just not talking about him AT ALL. Every article natters on about completely irrelevant individuals like Walker, but not a word about Cruz. You'd think someone would want to write about this.

Also, the WIU election prediction meme running around the internet kills me. How out of touch are people (read: leftist college students) to think that (a) J(Y)eb will be the nominee, (b) Montana and Wyoming will go Blue?

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 10, 2015 6:04 PM  

"Immigration," writes veteran conservative columnist George Will, "is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty."

Incidentally, it's very difficult to legally migrate to the US from Britain or Europe unless you're rich or have employer sponsorship. The INS has no trouble tracking down and deporting Europeans who overstay their visa.

(Same goes for Americans trying to move to Britain.)

But it is incredibly easy for uneducated folks from the armpits of the third world to move to the US or UK - legal or illegally, it doesn't matter. The red carpet is rolled out for them either way, courtesy of sucker taxpayers.

So cucks don't even believe in immigration. They believe in importing what they think will be a more pliable underclass, selling your kids' birthright for a mess of kebab.

Anonymous Ras al Ghul December 10, 2015 6:05 PM  

joshtheaspie:

You are right to be concerned. Judges with daughters are more liberal in their decisions regardless of political party.

The protective instinct toward daughters is dangerous politically.

Blogger VD December 10, 2015 6:08 PM  

You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?

In America, yes. The West, not even close. You might not miss the white people, but I suspect you'll miss the indoor plumbing and the television.

Anonymous Adam`1 December 10, 2015 6:10 PM  

OT Vox, do you have a snail mail drop? Tis the season for Christmas cards ya know.

Blogger VD December 10, 2015 6:11 PM  

Sucks for you guys that almost all People of Colour disagree with you

You do know that Arabs despise Africans worse than anyone but the Chinese, right? Do you know what they're going to did to you last time? They enslaved and castrated the men so they couldn't breed.

Blogger VD December 10, 2015 6:13 PM  

Vox, do you have a snail mail drop?

No, I do not. I don't do analog.

Anonymous WillBest December 10, 2015 6:13 PM  

In America, yes. The West, not even close. You might not miss the white people, but I suspect you'll miss the indoor plumbing and the television.

Now you are just being silly. The Yellows have figured those out they just don't care enough about their own people to extend it to everybody. Once the whites are no longer around to keep them in check, I figure some DNA target phage will wipe out the browns.

Blogger LonestarWhacko December 10, 2015 6:14 PM  

#68 Food production is a matter of confidence. White farmers have to feel safe raising the food that feeds the world. Starvation is the human norm. In a r/k selection process, well, rabbit makes tasty stew. Take a look at most of your companions....in a famine, that's most certainly coming, most of your friends will starve to death. Not so much the k wolves. Yeah, they'll do just fine. So, yell at the white folks so more, so they'll understand why it's best to let you starve.

OpenID sigbouncer December 10, 2015 6:15 PM  

"You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon"


I guess you missed the 1990's when Pat Buchanan made this theme all the rage.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 6:18 PM  

@66 "A brokered convention... Is that like where Trump is the GOP nominee and we get Rubio instead of Cruz for VP like they made Reagan take Bush?"

I think that's their shorthand for "heads we win, tails you lose" -- I have no interest in playing a game of whoever wins, we lose.

Blogger Nate December 10, 2015 6:24 PM  

@66 no... a brokered convention is where they get to play all the dirty tricks they want to make sure your vote means nothing and Rubio or even Jeb wins.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 6:26 PM  

@69 joshtheaspie said: "So, presuming that Cruz is the nominee rather than Trump, I am currently looking over a rather glaring part of his resume. He's got two daughters, and no sons. I don't know whether his wife aborted their sons, or if it's just 'luck of the draw' but this is a concern for me."

The bigger concern, IMO, is that he isn't Constitutionally qualified -- he was born in Canada to a Cuban father. Now there's a lot of people that will claim that because he was a citizen at birth that he actually is elegible, but that's incorrect: his citizenship comes from naturalization law passed by Congress, and therefore cannot be natural born. (If it were then the constitution has no effect because normal legislative procedures can alter it.)

Anonymous Anonymous December 10, 2015 6:26 PM  

@Cataline Sergius

>>Ryan is more of an idealist than a realist. A believer in the Randite Libertarianism.

LOL. No, Paul Ryan isn't an "idealist" nor is he actually a "Randian", and he sure as hell isn't a Libertarian.

Oh he pays lip service to Rand, and claims to love her books (which, alas like the majority among both those who revile OR admire her works) he DIDN'T actually comprehend anything deeper than the facile caricature-like "business = double-plus-guuud" & "labor/union = baaaaad".

I've known and had (or perhaps better stated as "tried to have") conversations with the man since the early 1990's -- and basically he's a superficially-educated-idiot; one of the "good boys"... the kind who kisses up to teachers get's selected by them to play "Mayor for a day" and to attend things like a "Mock Legislature" and "Model UN".

He's never really done a lick of work in his life, can't really think on his feet (he's very very easy to get "flustered" when someone points out the massively gaping logical holes in his positions) -- in short doesn't know his own arse from a hole in the ground -- and if he has ANY "political heritage" its in the vein of suck-ups like Moldy Milty Friedman. (His entire legislative "success" includes getting the local post office renamed, and via a compromise getting a reduction in the excise tax on arrows {yes you read that right arrows} -- other than that, well he's been a good little RINO.)


Think about it... this is the guy who agreed to be the VP on the Romney ticket: nuff said.

Blogger David-093 December 10, 2015 6:26 PM  

@Nate

If Trump was shot, the reaction this time would be murderous. The cycle is at such a point that people are ready for violence, whereas in the 1980s that wasn't going to happen and Reagan could simply avoid the issues until he left. This time, if they tried it with Trump, he'd either be killed or turn into Charles Martel. There's no patience anymore, and that's dangerous, as students of history know.

OpenID sigbouncer December 10, 2015 6:30 PM  

Log this one under strictly rumor for now.

Trump is reportedly considering shaving his head, growing a goatee and being introduced to the sounds of breaking glass.

Any future questions will be answered in a deep groveling voice saying "And that's the bottom line because Donald Trump said so!". If questions persist, Trump will simply answer with a "WHAT?!?"

Blogger praetorian December 10, 2015 6:35 PM  

Did everyone just learn the term Overton Window?

Moldbug was talking about this very early on, as part of his glock deflationary yankee reconstruction plan...

Don't be a cuck about it, Nate.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 6:36 PM  

@77 "I mean look guys they pulled shit to screw 3 different state winners to give the thing to Romney."

I a still pissed at that -- it should be proof to anyone that the Republican Party should not be trusted until it has proven that it is trustworthy... and that means actually fighting for the stated party platform. No more "benefit of the doubt", no more squishy "not as bad as X"-types.

"Why wouldn't they do it again to Trump?"

That, my friend, is an excellent question.

"Split the party? That just means they lose... and it looks to me like they are fine with losing."

The GOPe has proven that they would rather be the "losers" and still on the "in crowd" than push for anything that they claim to believe in... in fact, if you look at their actions, then it's clear that they believe in everything the Democrats do which is why they don't fight them even when it's a no-lose proposition for them.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 10, 2015 6:37 PM  

sigbouncer - President Trump will mandate that all cans of whoop ass be offered in size yuge.

Blogger bob k. mando December 10, 2015 6:39 PM  

68. Nemur December 10, 2015 4:59 PM
You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?



you know, back in the 80s, MTV ran a piece of agitprop bragging about how in 'x' number of years, the Negro percentage of the US population was going to be higher than the White one.

it was a little old white lady speaking the words, but overdubbed with a young black male's voice.

just to, you know, rub our faces in it.

funny thing happened on the way to the forum though ...

illegal immigration from points south has gone through the roof.

Negros are *already* a smaller percentage of the population than the Mexican / South Americans.

and the Mexicans? they don't much care for you guys.


and you guys are already desperate enough that you're conflating non-Negro numbers with your own in order to plump yourselves up and look more impressive.



68. Nemur December 10, 2015 4:59 PM
Sucks for you guys that almost all People of Colour disagree with you



it's gonna suck for you guys that all the rest of the Colored have IQs high enough that they can intellectually comprehend more than a Black / White dichotomy.

but you go on bragging about how you're going to drown the White people ... because they're White?

gosh. that almost sounds racist.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 10, 2015 6:42 PM  

I would say it is a certainty that Lincoln's Party will not let trump be the nominee. Seeing they are known as the Stupid Party I expect they might find a way to nominate Motel Six Jebbie and his Rock troll wife or even recycle ole reliable milquetoast Romeny to lose gracefully. None of these fuckers are smart enough to realize that trump is the last chance this system has to DO THE RIGHT THING before Americans burn it all down.
BTW, Nemur, this BS about Whites becoming a minority and being doomed might have worked in South Africa, but we're not gonna hand anything over to dumber than monkey shit niggers, Nomesayin boy? You are too stupid to realize that niggers in Africa are starving unless Whites feed them. We cancel your food stamps and you'll be dead in a week. We have the guns to mow you down if you even try it dummy. The Free Ride is now OVER.

Blogger praetorian December 10, 2015 6:47 PM  

And what to make of this from VDH?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428256/donald-trump-muslims-political-correctness

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 10, 2015 6:58 PM  

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Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 6:58 PM  

@97 "So cucks don't even believe in immigration. They believe in importing what they think will be a more pliable underclass, selling your kids' birthright for a mess of kebab."

You're absolutely correct; but it's worse than that: the continual incurrence of debt, the validity of which is not legally questionable, which is guaranteed against you current and future income (and that of your children, and theirs, ad infinitum) via the income tax.

And so we come to this uncomfortable fact: You and I, and our posterity, have all been sold into slavery. -- This is why they salivate at the idea of gun-control, and why the GOPe do nothing to repeal the GCA or NFA or other infringements.

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 10, 2015 7:01 PM  

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Blogger John Red Eagle December 10, 2015 7:01 PM  

Sucks for you guys that almost all People of Colour disagree with you

I have a hard time imagining that written by anyone but a native-born American black leftist, or a self-hating SWPL.

It amazes me that left wing blacks think immigrant 'people of color' are going to cut them in on some new ruling coalition. Every major category of non-Europeans, outside Africans themselves, absolutely despises blacks. Hispanics - check. East Indians - check. Arabs - check. East Asians - check. Most them see blacks as on the same plane as dangerous animals, and none of them are ridden by any sense of historical guilt.

What do black leftists think is going to happen, if the non-European immigrants actually take power?

Blogger Cogitans Iuvenis December 10, 2015 7:05 PM  

Somewhat humerous analysis of the Paris Attacks by an old Green Beret. Suffice it to say he said that as bad as Paris was...they got lucky that it wasn't worse...and that for the Paris attacks to work there would have to have been tremendous amount of passive support. Not that anyone here is surprised in the least by that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFHL_LxiIM

Also in regards to the San Bernardino shootings the guy is of the opinion that what the police found indicated that there could have been an, as of yet unidentified, 4th person who was a bomb maker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq16Vg6YmwY

Anonymous redsash December 10, 2015 7:15 PM  

#68:You need to find the answer as to why lighter skinned Blacks are smarter than darker skinned Blacks.

Anonymous Godfrey December 10, 2015 7:34 PM  

Israel has a wall. Has any cuckservative made a speech about that yet?

Anonymous Godfrey December 10, 2015 7:39 PM  

The crony wealth globalist oligarchy is using immigrants as shock troops against native middle-class populations. It's a class war.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 7:48 PM  

@125
That is actually a very interesting take on it (re: shock-troops)... I hadn't thought of it in those terms before.

Anonymous bw December 10, 2015 7:51 PM  

if they didn't already

Yeah.

F*ck em

Anonymous IRA December 10, 2015 7:52 PM  

against native middle-class populations. It's a class war

The Brit has it right.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 10, 2015 7:53 PM  

68 104 So, yell at the white folks so more, so they'll understand why it's best to let you starve

Seeing how blacks acted when the food stamp system went down for 8 hours in 16 states on 10-12-2013 was what had us flee die verse city. Even some puffs are smart enough to get guns, a greenhouse, and 5 gallon buckets of long term food. Shutting down the food stamp card at the beginning on a month would have the Free Stuff Army tear apart any die verse city.

We cancel your food stamps and you'll be dead in a week.

It will take more than a week but the good news is blacks will consume bad food/water before they leave their turf. Not sure if a bee hive warning sign or rattlesnake warning sign would be better?

Anonymous kfg December 10, 2015 8:02 PM  

@10 Salt:

Also Henry Clay, but as The Great Pacificator had tendency to shoot at his own side.

Anonymous bw December 10, 2015 8:07 PM  

I'm Your Worst Fucking Nightmare Boy...I'm a Nordic With a badge

OpenID basementhomebrewer December 10, 2015 8:09 PM  

The establishment is a bunch of fools. They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction. They are going to do everything they can to prevent a Trump or Cruz nomination. They fail to see that if they engage in shenanigans and usurp a primary win by either of those nominees they will accelerate a violent conflict. If they find a way to shove Bush or Rubio into the nominee spot after either Trump or Cruz win the primaries they are going to piss off ~35% of the country. If Hillary subsequently wins (which she will if they pull these shenanigans) I wouldn't be surprised to see open rebellion in January by ~15% of the population. The cucks will be hanged right next to the Dems.

Blogger Dave December 10, 2015 8:11 PM  

Tell us again about the Wall, Godfrey. Is it really a strong wall? Is it as tall as they say it is?

Anonymous Desiderius December 10, 2015 8:12 PM  

"And so we come to this uncomfortable fact: You and I, and our posterity, have all been sold into slavery. -- This is why they salivate at the idea of gun-control, and why the GOPe do nothing to repeal the GCA or NFA or other infringements."

That's the bottom line.

Those parts of England under the Danelaw (those that paid the Danegeld to their masters overseas) were divided up into districts literally called "wapentakes."

Now we get to pay Dindugeld, and if we allow our weapons to be taken, we will get to pay it in perpetuity.

Blogger JC December 10, 2015 8:15 PM  

Confederacy. Lets see who thrives. Open borders or walled (metaphorically speaking) Republics. Im not crazy about any federal solution. But i like the conversation. We do need to protect ourselves and our property.

Blogger praetorian December 10, 2015 8:20 PM  

wapentakes... Dindugeld

I love you all so much, Ilk.

Anonymous Desiderius December 10, 2015 8:27 PM  

"the kind who kisses up to teachers get's selected by them to play "Mayor for a day" and to attend things like a "Mock Legislature" and "Model UN""

He also has the voice of a twelve-year-old tattling on his big sister.

You can blame "the Left" all you want, but choosing leaders like Ryan is why the national GOP is such a joke.

Anonymous Desiderius December 10, 2015 8:37 PM  

"I love you all so much, Ilk."

"I am not a pillar of the church but a buttress – I support it from the outside."

- Churchill

So am I to the ilk, until the day when our shared foes are vanquished.

Blogger Groot December 10, 2015 8:53 PM  

@68. Nemur:
"You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?"

Oh, noes! When whites are minorities, will they get darker and drop in IQ until they need affirmative action? The future of the US is dark indeed. I can see it now:

I am Uproot.

Blogger Maple Curtain December 10, 2015 9:04 PM  

@121:

Not "What do black leftists think?" but "Do black leftists think?"

Answer: No.

Anonymous BGS December 10, 2015 9:12 PM  

This guy needs to watch out for moslems, he is at just the right age.

A 52 year old man is insisting that he identifies as a six-year-old girl, and everybody is required to indulge his mental illness.


In an interview with the gay news site The Daily Xtra, Stefonknee (formerly Paul) Wolscht details his struggles with being a male-to-female transgender person.

The Daily Xtra video, however, glosses over a tiny bit of important information about Wolscht: he thinks he is actually a six year-old girl—not just a woman, but a six year-old girl—stuck in the body of a 50-something man.

At age 46, Wolscht deserted his wife and his seven children to live his “true” life.

http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/12/10/oh-good-lord-7/

Blogger The Other Robot December 10, 2015 9:20 PM  

Obama on Wheel of Fortune

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 10, 2015 9:23 PM  

Seems like both Parties have it in their heads that the Constitution protects the rights of Foreigners living in their homeland following the mores of their Alien Cultures. The Rights of American Citizenship is for Americans. Citizenship is a privilege and is not earned by showing up nor is it granted before you even leave your own frakking country.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 9:31 PM  

@132 "Those parts of England under the Danelaw (those that paid the Danegeld to their masters overseas) were divided up into districts literally called "wapentakes.""

That's very interesting; wikipedia says that wapentake is the analog of the Saxon Hundred and the description sounds like a town-hall style meeting, where the people are armed... something tells me the ruling caste would not be happy with that sort of meeting.

In any case, embrace your Saxon heritage [even if it's merely by adoption into these united States] and carry a weapon on your person. (Saxon derives from the Seax.)

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 9:43 PM  

@69 joshtheaspie

So I'm currently trying to figure out if that disqualifies Cruz
---

I haven't researched all this, but I have heard things like:
- wife is a Goldman Sachs
- Had some dealings with Gang of 8 regarding H1B
- Was born in Canada by a Cuban father

Anonymous Godfrey December 10, 2015 9:44 PM  

@131
Poor Palestinian refugees are on the other side of the wall.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau December 10, 2015 9:45 PM  

Seems like both Parties have it in their heads that the Constitution protects the rights of Foreigners living in their homeland following the mores of their Alien Cultures. The Rights of American Citizenship is for Americans. Citizenship is a privilege and is not earned by showing up nor is it granted before you even leave your own frakking country.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 9:47 PM  

@79 Nate

The hope would be... they pull shenanigans... Trump leaves... forms a new nationalist political party... and we go from there.
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That would be great. And over a time it would gut the Republicans.

Blogger ncartist December 10, 2015 9:53 PM  

@ 142
. (Saxon derives from the Seax.)

No. Saxon derives from Isaac's sons; as in Isaac son of Abraham. We are Israelites of the so-called Lost Tribes.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 9:54 PM  

@91 Sam Lively

Trump opened the Overton Window wide enough to include the Overton Window.
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One of Trumps Superpowers is knowing where the handles to the Overton Window are.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:02 PM  

@110 David-093
@Nate

If Trump was shot, the reaction this time would be murderous. The cycle is at such a point that people are ready for violence
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I'm actually getting this same vibe. People are really fed up more than I've ever seen.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:05 PM  

@114 Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery

sigbouncer - President Trump will mandate that all cans of whoop ass be offered in size yuge.
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Now how in the world would we be able to tackle that bad boy?

Blogger Dave December 10, 2015 10:11 PM  

@Godfrey -Poor Palestinian refugees are on the other side of the wall.

So the Wall is performing exactly per design. The Wall is mighty and invincible.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:12 PM  

@121 John Red Eagle

What do black leftists think is going to happen, if the non-European immigrants actually take power?
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On top of that, I've seen a lot of Africans that do not like African Americans.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:15 PM  

@124 Godfrey

Israel has a wall. Has any cuckservative made a speech about that yet?
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WHO CARES ABOUT THE WALL? Tell me about the Big Beautiful Door in it

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:19 PM  

@139 BGS

he thinks he is actually a six year-old girl—not just a woman, but a six year-old girl—stuck in the body of a 50-something man.
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For some unremembered reason, I have to lay the blame of this at the feet of our 2nd worst president, Jimmah Cahtuh.

Anonymous BGS December 10, 2015 10:21 PM  

By Fire Be Purged, just like Germany & Sweden. Somali moslem knat coffee shop

http://www.wdaz.com/news/north-dakota/3899598-grand-forks-community-fires-back-against-racism

Liberal federal judge who outlawed racial profiling now a victim of black mob violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHtLTtFgiY

Blogger Dave December 10, 2015 10:22 PM  

WHO CARES ABOUT THE WALL? Tell me about the Big Beautiful Door in it

Without the Wall the Door is immaterial.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 10:25 PM  

I'm just tired of Trump having no policy. Wall this, wall that. Herman Cains wall was gonna have a moat with alligators and electric razor wire. C'mon Trump, Details!

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 10:53 PM  

@143 "I haven't researched all this, but I have heard things like:
- Was born in Canada by a Cuban father
"

Here's the Time article about him renouncing his Canadian Citizenship. And CNN. And Fox.

This article acknowledges that the 14th amendment applies... however, they claim that the McCarran-Walter Act, 1952 which is a naturalization law, which sets certain birth-circumstances as conditions for naturalization -- they then confuse this "naturalized at birth" with "natural born."

Remember, our political elite are globalists, for open-borders, and against nationalism (which is why they hate Trump stirring people up, and why they push critical theory in the education system) -- and the NBC-requirement is absolutely, boldly, and unapologetically nationalistic... which is why the elites want to erode it to nothingness.

Blogger SciVo December 10, 2015 11:05 PM  

Is it to soon to start brainstorming a third party's name? I'm thinking Citizens Party. Makes the point that it's for the human people that already belong here.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 11:13 PM  

@147 "(Saxon derives from the Seax.)

No. Saxon derives from Isaac's sons; as in Isaac son of Abraham. We are Israelites of the so-called Lost Tribes.
"

I'm going to need more than "kinda sounds like" as reasoning there -- after all ふね (fune) sounds kind of like "phone" but means something very different.

Blogger Brad Andrews December 10, 2015 11:17 PM  

Obama wasn't born in the US, so what does it matter anymore?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 11:23 PM  

@159 "Is it to soon to start brainstorming a third party's name?"

I'm going to say "no" -- in fact, let's go with something that signifies how utterly pissed we are at our current ruling elite:
The American Ammo Party.

...the slogan could be "There Are Many Lampposts in DC".

Anonymous point of order December 10, 2015 11:24 PM  

@157 C'mon Trump, Details!

He will show you his when they show him theirs.

quid pro quo

Blogger OneWingedShark December 10, 2015 11:42 PM  

@163
They already have: the 'virtual' fence, remember?

Blogger Joshua Sinistar December 11, 2015 12:23 AM  

All of you seem not to understand this fiat fake counterfeit money scam and are still worried about debt. I've got news for all of you. The US Dollar IS DEBT. Its not money at all. Its a debt instrument. It never had any value. Ron Paul has spent his whole career following a red herring. The Gold Standard is bullshit. If you were a regular citizen you could not go to a bank and get gold. Its illegal to buy with gold, and has been way longer than Nixon took us off the Gold Standard. Only Big Countries with clout like France and bankers could actually trade these debt instruments for Gold. It was never backed by Gold. It was a Big Lie.
In truth the US Dollar when it was handed over to the Rothschild and Rockerfeller families in the federal Reserve Den of Thieves by Woodrow Wilson because the jew had evidence of an extramarital affair that could end his career has never really been backed with Gold. Its a debt instrument like a promissory note. The small print on the bill says it can be used to pay debts, and that's it. It is a debt instrument to cancel debts with jewish bankers and merchants. It is not and has never been money. Even with the Gold Standard average citizens could not exchange it for Gold due to laws passed soon thereafter out lawing using Gold for purchases. It is NOT MONEY. Get rid of the Federal Reserve and all the Federal State and your personal debts are gone forever. It is debt only payable with these debt notes. The US Dollar is NOT REAL MONEY.

Blogger bob k. mando December 11, 2015 12:33 AM  

143. Were-Puppy December 10, 2015 9:43 PM
- Was born in Canada by a Cuban father



not only was he born in Canada to a Cuban national ... he had to voluntarily renounce his Canadian citizenship:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
"In August 2013, after the Dallas Morning News pointed out that Cruz had dual Canadian-American citizenship,[22] he applied to formally renounce his Canadian citizenship and ceased being a citizen of Canada on May 14, 2014."


the entire point of the 'natural born citizen' eligibility requirement is to prevent there being a President with split loyalties to another nation.

if Cruz does not violate this Constitutional requirement, i don't see why anyone should. we may as well elect Schwarzenegger and be done with it.

i'm fine with Cruz as President pro tem of the Senate. but that's as high as he goes unless somehow the President, Veep and House Speaker all get nuked at the same time.


161. Brad Andrews December 10, 2015 11:17 PM
Obama wasn't born in the US, so what does it matter anymore?



Obama foisted a flagrantly forged Birth Certificate on the public.

that's not the same thing as proving that he was born over seas.

location of his birth is irrelevant anyway, Obama had British citizenship from his father ( Kenya was a UK holding at the time ) and has been an Indonesian passport holder.

if the Supreme Court wasn't filled with anti-Constitutional pieces of shit, this would have all been hammered out before he was allowed to run the first time.

the Supreme Court is lawless and has been for a very long time.

Anonymous kfg December 11, 2015 1:02 AM  

@165: "The US Dollar IS DEBT. Its not money at all. Its a debt instrument."

Yes. We know.

"In truth the US Dollar . . ."

. . . is a Spanish silver coin, minted in Mexico, accepted as legal tender throughout the New World ( can you say "Amero"?)and much of the old.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 11, 2015 1:22 AM  

@165 " Its illegal to buy with gold, and has been way longer than Nixon took us off the Gold Standard."

And yet the Constitution says: "No State shall [...] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;"

Blogger JimR December 11, 2015 2:09 AM  

@68 `You guys do know that whites will soon be a minority in America and the West really soon?''

Who will you leech off then?

OpenID Jack Amok December 11, 2015 2:59 AM  

It's interesting, is it not, that the cuckservatives are willing to fight fellow Republicans to the death, but they're always eager to negotiate a genteel surrender with the liberals.

Liberals are never a challenge to the cuck's status as GOP big-wigs. In fact, I suspect most of the cucks are actually happier as the leaders of the out-of-power party than they would be actually running the government. If they're running it, they can't blame their failures on the Dems.

OpenID Jack Amok December 11, 2015 3:02 AM  

what I'm saying is.. Manifest Destiny was bullshit.

It most certainly was not bullshit. The people of the various states were going to head west and colonize the continent, federal government or not. I suspect the war that would have sprung out of that without a federal government would've been even worse than the one we did get. An entire continent of bloody Kansases.

OpenID Jack Amok December 11, 2015 4:02 AM  

Oh, the name of the new party? My vote is The Lamppost Decorating Party.

Slogan: We give "Swing Vote" a whole new meaning.

Blogger ncartist December 11, 2015 8:19 AM  

160. OneWingedShark
I'm going to need more than "kinda sounds like" as reasoning there...

That is not based on "sounds like reasoning" it is based on anthropological and archaeological research over the past centuries.

I've already posted the sources three times in the past; I am not going to do it again. Google for yourself the migrations of the Lost Tribes of Israel. And go read Genesis as to who exactly has the blessing/right to bear the name Jacob, Israel, and Isaac: clue: it isn't the Jews.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 11, 2015 9:46 AM  

@161 Brad Andrews

Obama wasn't born in the US, so what does it matter anymore?
---

I heard a distant, evil Hitlery cackle when I read this :P

Blogger Were-Puppy December 11, 2015 9:47 AM  

@159 SciVo

Is it to soon to start brainstorming a third party's name? I'm thinking Citizens Party. Makes the point that it's for the human people that already belong here.
---

We The People

Blogger OneWingedShark December 11, 2015 10:47 AM  

@176 "That is not based on "sounds like reasoning" it is based on anthropological and archaeological research over the past centuries.

I've already posted the sources three times in the past; I am not going to do it again."

Ah, well, see there's the problem: you're the one making the assertion, it's on you to prove your point -- I don't care enough about the particular issue to put the effort of researching it in (I have other interests that I value far more than any passing curiosity in anthropology) and it's far easier for me to assume that you're talking shit.

I mean, hell, you could even have linked to those posts instead of spouting "Google it!" at me.

Blogger natschuster December 11, 2015 2:57 PM  

@150:
ncarist

The actual original pronunciation of the Hebrew name Isaac. Is Yitschok. The ch is a gutteral sound. That's kinda different that Saxon.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 11, 2015 5:06 PM  

146: Were-Puppy

I haven't researched all this, but I have heard things like:

- [Cruz] Had some dealings with Gang of 8 regarding H1B


Don't know about that, but until recently his website proudly displayed a press release about his proposal to increase the H-1B quota by five times, to 325,000 per year. That was disappeared when he very recently proposed a 6 month moratorium on H-1B visas.

I think Ann Coulter's advice that Hispanics can't be trusted on immigration is sound. I don't think the "natural born citizen" question is much of an issue for him, his mother is American, and his family moved to Texas when he was 3. So he grew up in America, unlike Obama, especially if you don't count Hawaii as really representative of our country.

But getting back to our host's general point, immigration is the most important issue right now, so supporting Cruz as anything but an alternative to Hillary is not in my game plan.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 11, 2015 5:12 PM  

Obama foisted a flagrantly forged Birth Certificate on the public.

The long form one he finally released sure looked legit to me. Don't be confused by the sophisticated image compression, that all looked right, but it's telling his people didn't release it as a simple one level JPG file, just another poke in our eyes.

What's more interesting is that it's of a part of he and the establishment locking down or destroying just about every record about him.

Blogger bob k. mando December 11, 2015 9:24 PM  

182. That Would Be Telling December 11, 2015 5:12 PM
Don't be confused by the sophisticated image compression



if you think that 'compression artifacts' and 'layers' are the problem with that document, you've never looked at a serious dissection of that by document experts.

as i say though, releasing a forged BC proves nothing. it does tend to indicate that he doesn't want us to see the real one ( or that it doesn't exist ) but everything beyond that is inference. what the true answers are, we're unlikely to know ... because the Supreme Court, led by Roberts, gave Obama cover.



181. That Would Be Telling December 11, 2015 5:06 PM
I don't think the "natural born citizen" question is much of an issue for him, his mother is American, and his family moved to Texas when he was 3.



and he was a Canadian citizen up until 2 years ago.

that alone violates the Constitutional requirements.

look, i understand the desire to continue ignoring the Constitution ... what with all the other shit the Supreme Court has swept under the rug.

just don't complain to *me* about the US Gov being lawless.

Blogger ncartist December 11, 2015 11:08 PM  

179. OneWingedShark: you're bloviatingly lazy.
180. natschuster: you're ignorant because you do not stop to consider how the pronunciation of names and words change as they migrate through times and cultures. If you were even biblically literate, you would have seen how name change for the same person over generations.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 12, 2015 1:03 AM  

@179. OneWingedShark: you're bloviatingly lazy.

Why should I put the time and effort to research a claim that you made?

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 12, 2015 8:28 AM  

@183: bob k. mando

if you think that 'compression artifacts' and 'layers' are the problem with that document, you've never looked at a serious dissection of that by document experts.

Not compression artifacts, but the biggest single complaint I heard at the time it was released was about the compression system used.

As for an analysis of the contents, I only did my own right when it was released based on my own contemporaneous birth certificate, different state but by then there was a lot of commonality in format. If there have been some good analyses of it since its release I'd be interested in references.

and [Cruz] was a Canadian citizen up until 2 years ago.

And John McCain is, was or could have been a citizen of Panama, having been born in the Zone there. Automatic "birthright" dual citizenship based on where you were born doesn't strike me as violating the Constitutional requirement, but I'm not up on the jurisprudence, since, as you note, these sorts of things are moot nowadays. I'm just satisfied the spirit of the requirement was met, which is not the case with Obama and it shows. Even Hillary at her worst shows herself to be more of a real American citizen that Obama.

Blogger natschuster December 12, 2015 6:55 PM  

@184:

If the pronunciation changes that much, then you really can't conclude anything. And it isn't just a question of pronunciation, there's the spelling. There are letters in Yitzchok that don't have an equivalent is Saxon. There's the initial Yud and the Chet. And we know something about the pornunciation since the Torah gives us the etymology. Yitzchok is the future tense of the verb Tzohak, "he laughed."

Blogger SciVo December 13, 2015 2:12 AM  

Jack Amok @175: Oh, the name of the new party? My vote is The Lamppost Decorating Party.

Slogan: We give "Swing Vote" a whole new meaning.


I literally lolled... and snorted.

OpenID joshtheaspie December 13, 2015 4:32 PM  

I'd like to see some physically published copies of these books to buy, particularly in hardback. Those are more durable.

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