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Tuesday, December 08, 2015

Kicking the cuckroaches

Donald Trump knows what the American people want a lot better than the cuckroaches in the media who claim to be "opinion leaders" do:
Donald Trump acknowledged Monday during a raucous South Carolina rally that his call for barring all Muslim foreigners from entering the United States is "probably not politically correct."

But he had three words for his critics: "I don't care."

And if his South Carolina rally -- with its whoops and cheers -- was any indication, that support will stick.

Six of eight Trump supporters at the rally who spoke with CNN said they supported the Muslim travel ban, which has drawn swift criticism from other Republican and Democratic presidential contenders alike who slammed the proposal as contrary to American values of religious tolerance. And the two supporters at the rally who disagreed said they were still likely to vote for Trump.
By contrast, here is the Littlest Chickenhawk's take on what he calls Trump's desperation, which is only one of the many cuckservative hissy fits being thrown in response to Trump's moderate proposal.
Desperate Trump Drops Ugly Policy Bomb: Ban All The Muslims Abroad

That can mean only one thing: it’s time to trot out a headline-grabbing, nonsensical policy proposal.

To that end, Trump released a statement today calling for a ban on entry to the country for all Muslims. He said this would include Muslim servicepeople serving overseas, as well as Americans traveling abroad. He did not create a timetable, or a list of requirements to be met at which point such a ban would be lifted. Instead, he explained, “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred [of Americans by members of the Muslim world] is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it faces, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.”

Asked about what prompted the statement, Trump said simply, “death.”

In other words, Trump believes the only way to stop terror attacks like those that happened in San Bernardino would be to ban Muslims from entering the country. That’s idiotic, for at least three reasons.

American Citizens Have Citizenship. Trump is not referring only to foreign Muslims. He says his ban applies to “everyone.” If that’s the case, why would he quash the rights of millions of Muslim Americans, many of whom serve in the police and armed services? How would he propose to take away rights without due process? And why in the world would he? This is truly frightening  and disgusting stuff. Up until now, it's been the left calling for Americans to give up their rights. Not anymore.

There Is A Difference Between Profiling And A Religious Ban. Looking at religious practice as one component of Islamic terrorism makes sense, given the association between religious practice and Islamic terror. But Islamic practice is necessary, not sufficient, for Islamic terrorism – in other words, there are lots of Muslims who aren’t terrorists, obviously. Being Muslim should not be an outright disqualifier for entering the country if we are actually capable of vetting you. That’s why Ted Cruz’s suggestion of a moratorium on Muslim immigration from countries like Syria makes sense, but Trump’s global ban makes no sense. Our security services will have to be much better than a total Muslim ban if we hope to keep Americans safe anyway, considering the threat of homegrown terrorism – we’ll have to discriminate between Muslims who are a threat, and those that aren’t. There are a billion Muslims on planet earth. Banning all of them is simply impractical, as well as immoral.

Kiss Our Intelligence Apparatus Goodnight. We need to work with Muslims both foreign and domestic. It’s one thing to label Islamic terrorism and radical Islam a problem. It’s another to label all individual Muslims a problem. That’s what this policy does. It’s factually wrong and ethically incomprehensible. Donald Trump has just transformed into the strawman President Obama abused on Sunday night.

So no, this isn’t a good idea. It’s a rotten idea all the way around: legally, ethically, practically. Trump’s supporters need to realize at some point that knee-jerk extreme reactions to events of the day don’t substitute for good judgment. It’s ugly when it’s President Obama looking to grab guns from American citizens without due process, and it’s ugly from Donald Trump. Given the poll numbers, it’s not clear whether Americans will get wise to that truth.
It's a bit disappointing to see that Ben Shapiro, who has admittedly grown up a bit since his Littlest Chickenhawk days when he was all keen on sending all young male Americans who weren't Ben Shapiro to war in the Middle East, falling back into generic #cuckservatism here. Ben wasn't in my league back in our mutual WND days, and he still isn't today. Allow me to demonstrate:
  1.  Trump isn't "desperate". It is his critics, like Shapiro, who are growing increasingly desperate. Ben is projecting. "The latest Rasmussen Reports (Dec. 4) weekly Trump Change survey finds that 68% of Likely Republican Voters believe Trump is likely to be their party’s nominee next year, up from 53% two weeks ago." And recent events in San Bernardino only helped Trump's cause.
  2. It is not "idiotic" to say that banning Muslims from entering the country is the only way to stop terror attacks like the one that occurred in San Bernardino because doing so would have stopped the terror attack in San Bernardino. That being said, it's true, that won't stop all Muslim terror attacks; the only way to do that will be to repatriate all Muslims to the Dar al-Islam. Which, sooner or later, is exactly what will eventually happen across all the parts of the West that stay West.
  3. The Preamble to the Constitution trumps both the Constitution and the Amendments. The citizenship that can be granted by the stroke of a government pen, can be taken away by the stroke of a government pen as well. Citizens are not nationals and the Nation trumps the State.
  4. There are a billion Muslims on Earth. None of them have to live in the West. It is neither immoral nor impractical to suggest that Muslims should live in the House of Submission and to refuse to permit them to bring war to the House of War. Furthermore, it is not only impractical, it is both ahistorical and utterly impossible, to expect large quantities of Muslims to live in the West in peace. They will not. They never have. Shapiro is demanding the Muslims stop being Muslims, a much greater offense to them and their religion than not permitting them to colonize the West.
  5. Our foreign intelligence apparatus in the Muslim world is practically nonexistent anyhow. And it obviously escapes Shapiro that we will not need a domestic intelligence apparatus spying on Muslims if there are no domestic Muslims on whom to spy.
Speaking of cuckservatives and their propensity for betraying the American national interest, Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America has risen to #134 on Amazon, and after surpassing the 2015 nonfiction National Book Award winner by Ta-Nehesi Coates, is now the #1 bestseller in all Politics & Social Sciences. It is also the #1 hot new Nonfiction release.

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Blogger Samuel Nock December 08, 2015 5:26 AM  

Trump in three letters: Z.F.G.

It is amusing and amazing to see how he is underestimated at each stage of this fight. The losers keep realizing it just too late. He's like a tsunami visable a few miles out to sea: First stage: "Huh, that looks odd." Second state: "Oh my God, run!!"

What the MSM still doesn't realize is that its already too late even at the first stage. You can't outrun it.

Blogger Phillip George December 08, 2015 5:32 AM  

"I don't care" Amen. We shouldn't give a rat's arse what fools think.
There was never a time in the history of this world when blasphemy pagan fools shouldn't be discerningly discriminated against. Pluralism never included head hunters, blood sacrifice rituals, cannibalism, suicide cults,........... you get the picture.

discrimination is not only right it is essential.

Blogger KJE December 08, 2015 5:33 AM  

Congratulations on #1!

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 5:33 AM  

It's a Chosenite Cuck kvetching.

"Listen to me goy, I'm one of you"

Yeah.....suuuuure. how's that yuge wall in Israel?

Anonymous Apothecary December 08, 2015 5:40 AM  

Did Trump really say he would ban Muslims in our military from coming back to the US? I can definitely understand preventing non-citizen Muslims from entering the US but this seems a bit rich. I'll assume they are putting words in his mouth until I see him say it.

Blogger bearspaw December 08, 2015 5:48 AM  

Wait for that idiot Loretta Lynch to issue an arrest warrant for The Donald. As for Shapiro, once a neocon, always a neocon.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 08, 2015 5:52 AM  

It's all very simple. Not all Moslems are terrorists, but all terrorists are Moslems. It makes sense to not let any immigrate, nor enter the country for any length of time. John Q. Public figured that out about ten years ago.

All Trump has done is say what a lot of people were already thinking.

Blogger Markku December 08, 2015 6:03 AM  

It's a Chosenite Cuck kvetching.

"Listen to me goy, I'm one of you"

Yeah.....suuuuure. how's that yuge wall in Israel?


He's clearly worried of the following scenario.

IT'S HAPPENING! *cue laser show Ron Paul*

WE DID IT!

...

...now then, what do we do about those Jews?

Blogger stevo December 08, 2015 6:04 AM  

I like Ben a lot. But Trump is a winner, and we need a winner.

Blogger Lovekraft December 08, 2015 6:09 AM  

When America and the West turned away from God and started listening to the whispering deviants, it was only a matter of time that we came to this stage. Now these same deviants are placing blame on those who see their ruin. Infiltration of power started out with, arguably, noble intentions, but there is really no excuse for ignorance at this stage. They continue to collect their shekels. They continue to double down.

As for us, 'taking the red pill' is a difficult road to follow as everywhere around us are the blind, stupid and vicious. But we shall prevail because of what we are. By refusing to surrender, we will emerge the victors even if the god of this earth takes everything we have.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 08, 2015 6:16 AM  

No negative reviews yet. Which rather surprises me. The SJWs are falling down on the job.

Was there a sudden rise in SJW real world employment?

I wouldn't think such a thing was remotely possible and yet here it is.

Anonymous Bohm December 08, 2015 6:16 AM  

The only proper response to Trump’s idiotic ‘policy’ is stand back aghast as Donald jumps the shark.

A good response is not to explain point by point to Ben Shapiro (of all people) why it’s such a reasonable idea.

yeah, I get that VD has got Donald’s moose d*ck so far down his throat he can’t see the man hasn’t got a ‘policy’ -he’s just grabbed today’s cycle with more fatuous blather.

That VD thinks Trump’s idea is ‘moderate’ just shows how little he really knows about this world, or the clash of civilisations (which is real enough in one sense).

As does ideas of his own, like:
Our foreign intelligence apparatus is practically nonexistent anyhow

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 6:22 AM  

We should use Saudi law as a model. My limited understanding is that only Muslims are allowed, except under rare circumstances.

The rhetoric works as well.

Blogger #0006 Hammer December 08, 2015 6:27 AM  

"But he had three words for his critics: "I don't care.""

Trump's a VFM!
Give that man a number!

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 6:29 AM  

@ Markku

Don't you know all us Goy (and increasingly..Schwartz) are anti-semite #Gasthekikes #Lampshadepogramnow! #Naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews hitlers in the making!?! They've been squealing it for 70 years now, why disappoint them? /sarc ;-P

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2015 6:29 AM  

The holocaust haunted are going to be the holocaust haunted.

This seems a tactical move that has strategic implications for greater operational freedom down the road, garnering that all important free speech while diminishing the taboo powers of PC.

That taboo enforcers are out from all corners of the cockroach motel.

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 6:30 AM  

The only proper response to Trump’s idiotic ‘policy’ is stand back aghast as Donald jumps the shark.

Oh, look, a deeply concerned cuckroach! That's so totally new and different. We'll add your prediction of Trump's political demise to all the other failed ones. As for me, I think he's done by October.

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 6:33 AM  

I get that VD has got Donald’s moose d*ck so far down his throat he can’t see the man hasn’t got a ‘policy’ -he’s just grabbed today’s cycle with more fatuous blather.

You clearly fail to understand the nature of the relationship. Mr. Trump is one of the VFM. Even he recognizes the Supreme Dark Lord.

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer December 08, 2015 6:36 AM  

The Preamble to the Constitution trumps both the Constitution and the Amendments.

-VD

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

In reading that passage one would have to be either a liar or an idiot to miss the point that the government currently in power has violated each and every one of those provisions. How then can they be legitimate?

My argument has been that if they are true believers in their policies that they should openly admit that they no longer believe in the Constitution and repeal it and replace it with something more suiting to their own beliefs. You cannot support the policies of the day and be in accordance with the Preamble.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2015 6:37 AM  

You mean he will be down to Hillary in October in the polls or he takes his private jet and says screw it even if he is ahead in the electoral college polls?

Anonymous Epimandes December 08, 2015 6:39 AM  

Vox, from a purely philosophical perspective, what do you think of John Rawls' theory of justice? I'm not asking about whether or not it can (or should) be implemented in society, but rather whether or not there are any philosophical inconsistencies or question begging.

Blogger SteelPalm December 08, 2015 6:41 AM  

Man, I love Ben Shapiro and all...but that was an awful column. And Vox was completely correct and accurate in calling him out.

I'm a Ted Cruz guy, but Trump's call for a ban on all Muslim immigration is a huge positive mark for him. And yes, I imagine it will win him many supporters, as it should. In fact, I hope it seriously causes Cruz to consider something similar.

Anonymous Frank December 08, 2015 6:42 AM  

VD,

and after surpassing the 2015 nonfiction National Book Award winner by Ta-Nehesi Coates

Lol. Let's see you get a New York Times bestseller first.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2015 6:53 AM  

On a scale of 1-10 where is the Omega rage today? Poor Ben Shapiro who has spent a lifetime trying to ingratiate himself into conservative politics with the side benefit of ingratiating himself into hot white chick territory as the sensitive and brilliant patriotic American. Now comes along the WASP prom king who gives the girls the tingles and poor Ben will be schlepping off to Hollywood to write the 10,000the screen play about defeating the evil White Shitlords.

You don't necessarily need to know every detail of your opposition you just need their script and Ben's is dog eared and coffee stained.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 08, 2015 6:55 AM  

Our foreign intelligence apparatus is practically nonexistent anyhow. And it obviously escapes Shapiro that we will not need a domestic intelligence apparatus spying on Muslims if there are no domestic Muslims on whom to spy.

Not all that long into the "War on Terror" I read that the CIA had devolved to the point that 90% of its people were in the US, the vast majority in Northern Virginia.

This 2009 debacle which killed 6 of them demonstrated how much their field craft has deteriorated, and suggested that women like the chief of base Jennifer Matthews have no business being on the sharp end of the spear, which should not surprise any readers of this blog.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 6:56 AM  

@Cataline Sergius

For the same reason the DC Cucks and Shitlibs are finally revealing their true colors and alliances. They are hoping that the Cuckservatives in fly-over land double down en masse and do their dirty work for them of finally finishing off the Republican Party and coming over to their side.

I don't know if you've read the book, but damn! Cucks and Churchians/Crystal Methodists are excoriated as the vile, shekel and signal-virtuing Kronos-philes they REALLY are.

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 08, 2015 6:59 AM  

Don't forget, Bohm's the inept troll who claimed that a poll showing that a majority of muslims in Britain supported geographic territories in the country being ruled under sharia law did not mean that those muslims were trying to take over parts of Britain and force actual Britons in those areas to follow sharia law.

I mean, come on, forcing Englishmen to follow sharia law in the midlands doesn't mean forcing Englishmen to follow sharia law in the midlands after all...

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 7:00 AM  

Let's see you get a New York Times bestseller first.

Why? The New York Times bestseller list contains books that sell fewer copies. I have no interest in buying my way onto it, which costs a lot less than you might think. It's a simple matter of buying the requisite number of books from the sampled bookstores.

And Pulvatory, I know you're upset, but there is no call for that sort of vulgarity. You'll be spammed if you can't keep it civil.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 7:02 AM  

The Preamble to the Constitution trumps both the Constitution and the Amendments.

Hey wait a minute, isn't that how both liberals snuck in the welfare state (provide for the general welfare) and King Lincoln justified his war of conquest (a more perfect union)?

The citizenship that can be granted by the stroke of a government pen, can be taken away by the stroke of a government pen as well. Citizens are not nationals and the Nation trumps the State.

Stripping citizens of their citizenship is a dangerous legal precedent and would most likely result in progressives stripping Christians of their citizenship for being homophobic or transphobic.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 7:04 AM  

I'm a Ted Cruz guy, but Trump's call for a ban on all Muslim immigration is a huge positive mark for him. And yes, I imagine it will win him many supporters, as it should. In fact, I hope it seriously causes Cruz to consider something similar.

"The political correctness of President Obama, of Hillary Clinton, the Democrats to refuse to call out Islamism is a particular threat. It is different from being Muslim," Cruz said. "There are millions of peaceful Muslims across the world. Islamism is a particular sect."

Blogger Just Mark December 08, 2015 7:11 AM  

What raindrop every accepted responsibility for the flood.

Blogger Ron December 08, 2015 7:11 AM  

@Bohm

Except he's right. You can hate Mr. Beale as much as you like, but in this matter he is correct. You must close the borders to Muslim immigration. You have no more choice in this than if the 1 billion arabs were all rabid communists who worshipped images of Stalin, or more to the point if we were talking about 1 billion Chinese who worshipped images of Mao (which many of them actually did not that long ago). I would use the example of saying "if they were all rabid National Socialists of a Northern European persuasion" but it’s clear that the US was happy to accept thousands of such **cough** reformed characters after WWII, especially from the higher ranks.

Which is part of the reason why Coronado amphibious naval base has an building that looks like this smack in the middle of it. (It could be worse, just imagine the endless fucking whining from the Z.O.G. crowd if that had been a star of David. Funny how they have no conspiracy theories about this building and never talk about it. Probably because those assholes haven’t figured out a way to tie it to Israel. Give them time.)

If it makes you feel better, then close the borders to everyone. But close the fucking borders while you can.

Blogger Desiderius December 08, 2015 7:15 AM  

"I'm a Ted Cruz guy, but Trump's call for a ban on all Muslim immigration is a huge positive mark for him. And yes, I imagine it will win him many supporters, as it should. In fact, I hope it seriously causes Cruz to consider something similar."

Trump shifts the Overton window for a Cruz presidency.

Blogger Markku December 08, 2015 7:16 AM  

I checked Pulvatory's comment history here. He sure does like crude metaphors that refer to sexual organs.

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 7:23 AM  

Stripping citizens of their citizenship is a dangerous legal precedent and would most likely result in progressives stripping Christians of their citizenship for being homophobic or transphobic.

The precedent is already established. The only question is if you are going to use it or if your enemy is.

When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?

Blogger Ron December 08, 2015 7:25 AM  

@John

Hey wait a minute, isn't that how both liberals snuck in the welfare state (provide for the general welfare) and King Lincoln justified his war of conquest (a more perfect union)?

Correct. Also, the right to assembly means that a group of evil hateful assholes who want to tear down democracy (by legal means) can get together with impunity to discuss the same, the right to bear arms means those assholes can all arm themselves, the fourth amendment means you cannot simply search their houses without reasonable suspicion of criminal activity (such as smoking that evil devil weed), the fifth amendment means you cannot hold any of those assholes in prison without charging them for a crime, and the right to a speedy trial means you must (in theory anyway) try them sometime before they are dead, etc. etc.

The Constitution is not a magic document that prevents you from fucking up. It is a document that agrees that the people have enough good sense to know what is good for them, and hence, they can make the call that 1 billion Muslims whose religion literally, not figuratively, not in tortured speculation, but literally, and in bold, says flat out to make war on everyone they don’t hold sway over. That’s the argument.

Anonymous Wild Bill December 08, 2015 7:25 AM  

It's laughable that the leftists are so confident in the vetting process for refugees in another country yet our extensive police and surveillance state did nothing to sniff out San Bernardino...

Another confirmation for John Wright's case that they live in unreality.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 7:29 AM  

The precedent is already established. The only question is if you are going to use it or if your enemy is.

When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?


It doesn't mean I have to like it.

I'm fine with doing it one at a time, on a case by case basis.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 7:32 AM  

....When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?...

Probably while eating his weekly gruel and listening to Caitlyn Jenner discuss the details of xer's dick-chopping on the flat-screen feed in the re-education camp. Certainly not during the Struggle Sessions with the trans-racial, Unicorn Otherkin gimps with Dominatrix Ms. Peggy.

Blogger SciVo December 08, 2015 7:34 AM  

Cuckservative is now #9 in all Kindle nonfiction (not just new releases). It's edging out volume 2 of Harry Truman's memoirs and breathing down the neck of Dr. Phil's 20/20 diet, the latter of which is #97 in the Kindle store.

Anonymous The Obvious December 08, 2015 7:34 AM  

#cantstumpthetrump

Anonymous Sonic December 08, 2015 7:40 AM  

#When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?*

@VD, Hi, could you please expand on that?

(Not trolling, I legitimately would like to hear your thoughts)


Blogger SciVo December 08, 2015 7:43 AM  

I think Trump doesn't go far enough. We should put a moratorium on all immigration from everywhere (and H1B visas too) until we've finished digesting what's already here and evicting as many trespassers as possible. Maybe also a re-education campaign to explain the rights of Englishmen to our many citizens who seem to think that civil "rights" trump civil liberties.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 7:49 AM  

Should we ban Muslims from owning guns?

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 7:50 AM  

#When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?*

@VD, Hi, could you please expand on that?


This merits a post of its own, if not a book, but the point is that once the curtain has been swept back, it is no longer of any import. We don't need to respect "freedom of religion" because our freedom of religion is no longer respected.

If "Congress shall make no law" is interpreted as "a high school senior shall not pray", then Congress can make any law it likes. Once the meaning is gone, it's gone.

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 7:51 AM  

Should we ban Muslims from owning guns?

There should be no more need to ban Muslims from owning guns than Venusians.

Blogger Steve, the Dark Ninja of Mockery December 08, 2015 7:51 AM  

Let's see you get a New York Times bestseller first.

Serious question tho, Frank: did anybody (apart from reviewers) actually read Ta He-He-Weenie's book on crying about "black bodies" and how much he spends on chapsticks?

I assumed it was a positional good, meant to be left on coffee tables by right-on white liberals as a status signifier.

While in private they like reading 50 Shades of Grey and fudding themselves stupid with frozen Mars Bars.

Obviously I didn't read it, because I'm a heterosexual man, but I understand Between My Vibrator And Me was so pozzed it killed Charlie Sheen.

Anyway:

Trump’s supporters need to realize at some point that knee-jerk extreme reactions to events of the day don’t substitute for good judgment.

Good judgement? Which planet did he just arrive from?

The time for thoughtful, chin-stroking, pipe-fondling "on one hand this, but on the other hand that..." professorial yaffling is over.

Those days are deader than disco.

These are the Amok Times.

Blogger Phillip George December 08, 2015 7:53 AM  

#When are you going to understand that legality is now irrelevant?*

It's been pointed out before that 100 percent of the signatories to the declaration of Independence were Christian. The constitution being a document written by Christians for Christians was so obvious people overlooked it at the time.
No-one records the perfectly inane activities of daily living in their diaries. The price of potatoes or what they had available for breakfast or to wear. Yet 500 years later histoians want to know the inane details of daily living more than anything else. It explains the dynamics of economies and technologies and a major impetus in politics yet its never recorded.

Pluralism and all those noble Masonic sentiments included quite a variety of Christian denominations. Piss Christ and public monuments to bAphomet and clitorectomies and old afghan warriors sodomizing young boys with US protection, weren't widely discussed at the first continental congress.

Anonymous Wild Bill December 08, 2015 7:54 AM  

So why isn't Trump going to make it past October? Do you think he will be imprisoned for "hate speech" or that someone will have offed him by then?

It's predictable to see the leftists conveniently invoke the Constitution when it involves defending Muslims in direct contradiction to their absolute disregard for the document when it involves any white Christian male type person...

Anonymous hardscrabble farmer December 08, 2015 7:56 AM  

@John

"Hey wait a minute, isn't that how both liberals snuck in the welfare state (provide for the general welfare)"

The word is PROMOTE, not PROVIDE. It amazes me how many people change that word to suit the agenda.

The difference is to support or encourage as opposed to supply and make available. One costs nothing, requires no sacrifice on the part of those who do the actual work in order to support those who do not.

Blogger Ron December 08, 2015 7:58 AM  

@Josh

should we ban Muslims from owning guns

You dropped a carton of apples, and instead of helping you, unscrupulous people are stealing some of the apples they see on the floor. Are you going to just give up and cry about it, or are you going to try to snatch as many of your apples from the floor as you can.

The situation is already very bad, stop it from getting worse. In the end, you may have to throw them all out. but that's a separate question for another time that will hopefully never need come up. In the meantime stop them from making the situation even worse than it is.

OpenID belatuc December 08, 2015 7:58 AM  

Trump isn't the evil man the cuckservatives want him to be.
He is the voice of the American people.
Trump puts into words what his followers feel and unites them.
He makes decisions others don't have the balls to. Necessary decisions.

The American elite shouldn't be afraid of Trump.
They should be afraid of every white, heterosexual citizen.

Anonymous Remove Kebab December 08, 2015 7:59 AM  

Greasy taco stains? Poisonous mystery meat Kebab juices? *Sticky watermelon drippings?

Trump! Your all purpose mud remover. Ask for it by name.



*pending

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 8:01 AM  

I agree with Vox. The constitution stopped mattering 150 years ago... we only pretended it mattered from time to time to keep the train on the tracks.

Now even the pretense is gone. The constitutionality of a given thing is obviously irrelevant.

When it is all over... we can rebuild a new civilization with a new constitution.

Once we have a population fit to live under it.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 08, 2015 8:06 AM  

@6 Brilliant point: This was Trump directly calling Soetoro/Lynch's bluff.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 08, 2015 8:14 AM  

Also note the similarity:

Trump: "I don't care."

VD / VFM: "What part of 'We don't care' don't you understand?"

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 08, 2015 8:18 AM  

As a data point crude oil has crashed below $36 fiat. Me thinks that will be a factor in the radical appeal from the Gulf.

Anonymous YIH December 08, 2015 8:26 AM  

Just saw this at the Chateau:
As of now http://www.jebbush.com redirects to Trumps campaign Web site.

LOL…owned…

Blogger Chris Mallory December 08, 2015 8:26 AM  

Shapiro isn't a cuck. He is an invader despoiling the nest.

The uproar over the Muslim military members is much ado about nothing. There are roughly 3500 Muslims in the US military. If you dig deeper, you might find out how many are actual citizens and how many are Kit Carson Scouts. But even if they are citizens, they are not Americans. Being posted on one of the Empire's far flung bases is still better than being sent back to Bumfreakistan.

While looking up how many Muslims were in the legions, I looked up the number of Shapiro's tribe serving. There are only 4500 members of the Tribe in uniform. Vox's red savage kin have 10,000 service members. So we have as many red savages in the military as we do Semites of any flavor.

Anonymous FrankNorman December 08, 2015 8:31 AM  

So is this the pattern?
1) Trump says something
2) The lefty media misrepresent what he said to make it sound much more extreme than it really was
3) Trump's support numbers go UP as a result

Blogger Samuel Nock December 08, 2015 8:32 AM  

@59

What word's coming to mind? Oh year, that's right: cuck.

Jeb is such a rube. It's really almost painful.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 8:34 AM  

Trump being desperate: Yeah, that's pure projection. If Trump decides he can't win, or just gets bored, he can drop out tomorrow and go back to admiring himself in the reflection from his solid gold bathroom fixtures, or whatever he used to do in his spare time. He doesn't need this. Unlike the rest of them, he hasn't spent his adult life working toward the White House. I wouldn't say this whole thing is a lark for him, but it started out at least 50% lark.

Which is one reason he's hated, by people who think politics should be Serious Business.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 08, 2015 8:42 AM  

"... need to realize at some point that knee-jerk extreme reactions to events of the day don’t substitute for good judgment. "

Is he talking about the invasion of Afghanistan, The Patriot Act and the invasion of Iraq? Those were all knee jerk reactions to events of the day.

Anonymous Roxana Alexander December 08, 2015 8:47 AM  

I wonder if these people ever ask themselves, "How does Japan avoid Islamic terrorism?"

Hint to Ben: They don't let Muslims in, and they don't give Muslims rights.

Blogger Salt December 08, 2015 8:57 AM  

we only pretended it mattered from time to time to keep the train on the tracks

The train is fine.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 8:58 AM  

Nate has informed me that we can use these same mechanisms against Yankees once we kick the Muslims out, so I'll stop objecting.

Anonymous Soga December 08, 2015 9:00 AM  

So, between being "reasonable" like Ben Shapiro here or preserving my way of life, indoors plumbing, central heating, automobiles, electricity, cell phone, computer, medical system, peaceful political system that doesn't break down into civil wars every 10 years, church, video games, job that doesn't suck, ...


...

Well, what am I missing? I'm proud of what my ancestors did to secure these blessings I and all these dimwitted SJWs and cuckservatives now enjoy, and I will fight to preserve these blessings for MY posterity.

Ben is like a hamster eating her own young.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 9:01 AM  

@ Chris Mallory

Shapiro isn't a cuck. He is an invader despoiling the nest.

That's a cuckoo.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 08, 2015 9:04 AM  

Aaaaand in other news, Cruz announced that he plans to hire Trump to conduct trade deals when he wins the election.


So the Donald and his hair aren't going anywhere, whether its Cruz or Trump himself.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 08, 2015 9:06 AM  

"Success comes most swiftly and completely not to the greatest or perhaps even to the ablest men, but to those whose gifts are most completely in harmony with the taste of their times."

This is Trump in a nutshell. ANY other cycle, he'd be a footnote. Was a footnote - he's run before, a fact that people forget. But this once, he's in perfect harmony with the times.

What I find amusing is that Trump's power base is the blue-collar working class vote. In a sense, he's another Sarah Palin (but considerably less attractive, and with considerably more accomplishments to his credit). And one has to wonder just how much of the opposition to him is purely class snobbery.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 9:09 AM  

I went looking for Saudi immigration requirements and found this jewel:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-deport-one-million-people-anti-immigration-crackdown-1471035

Saudi to deport 1million ( in 2014)
Rate is 70,000 per month
Saudi population is 30 million
US population 300 million

Therefoer, yes we can deport 10 million at a rate of 700,000 permonth.

Blogger Chris Mallory December 08, 2015 9:13 AM  

@68

"That's a cuckoo."

Where do you think the term "cuck" comes from. Shapiro's kind are the ones despoiling the nests of the cuckolds.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 9:13 AM  

It just occurred to that if you allowed the government to sieze the property of everyone they deported; you would get a lot more agencies on board.

Soros would approve; he doesn't consider his previous gig as at all immoral.

Blogger tz December 08, 2015 9:13 AM  

Entertaining cluelessness:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/12/definition-of-trumpism-n-failed-neo-fascist-fringe-political-ideology-peddled-by-former-reality-tv-s.html

Only problem is I can't tell who is a Muslim, so we just need to shut the border to all who fail a FBI background check thorough vetting process.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 08, 2015 9:18 AM  

@74

I have to say that I love the way people throw around the word "fascist" like they know what it means. To be a fascist, you have to believe that the government should be running the economy.

Like Hillary.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 9:18 AM  

Attention.

You will all be happy to know that I have used my amazing negotiating skills to make the comment section great again.

I have completed my negotiations with Josh... and he has agreed to go along with all of the Trump deportations and travel bans. And to drop his slippery s lope legality objections.

All I had to do was agree to allow travel bans and deportations on yankees next.

So there ya go.

you're welcome.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 9:21 AM  

@ Chris Mallory

We are in agreement. In nature, many cuckoo birds don't just despoil the nest, they will destroy the cuckold's eggs if they toss out the cuckoo's eggs.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 9:23 AM  

Did Trump really say he would ban Muslims in our military from coming back to the US?

Put it together with the second part of the statement -- until the government figures out what's going on -- and then apply context and some common sense. The context is that a second-generation Muslim "American" went overseas long enough to get a Saudi wife/partner-in-crime and brought her back to murder a bunch of people with him. So common sense says some Muslim Americans who are currently overseas might be there for nefarious reasons, and it would be sensible to deny them reentry until they can be checked out.

But that's no fun; it's more fun to start ranting about religious bans and "frightening" and other virtue signalling. I'm only surprised that he didn't invoke the Holocaust.

Anonymous LOL December 08, 2015 9:24 AM  

I agree with Vox. The constitution stopped mattering 150 years ago...

Awwwww, still feeling all butthurt over Appomattox?

YOU LOST, get over it!

Blogger CM December 08, 2015 9:26 AM  

Not counting all the wonderful reasons outlined in this blog and comments why Trump's idea is a good idea, but since last week, all I've heard from news sources is that San Bernardino was done by text book "Moderate" Muslims.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 9:27 AM  

Everyone realizes that if we don't get Muslims out of the country, they're liable to end up in internment camps inside the country, right? Which is worse?

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 9:31 AM  

"YOU LOST, get over it!"

Moor: aww... still feeling butthurt over the Battle of Guadalete? It was 400 years ago. YOU LOST, get over it!

Spaniard: Bye Felecia.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 9:32 AM  

Awwwww, still feeling all butthurt over Appomattox?

YOU LOST, get over it!


Did you see what Nate said about Yankees?

We're going to put you on a list.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 9:35 AM  

"We're going to put you on a list."

He's probably from some shit hole like Ohio. he can stay in Ohio.. or michigan.. or whatever yankee shit hole he's in.

now.. if he's in TN...

well..


bye.

Blogger Krul December 08, 2015 9:43 AM  

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Blogger Krul December 08, 2015 9:47 AM  

I can't help but notice a certain... theme running through the top 3 bestsellers pictured.

Between the World and Me: "...Ta-Nehisi Coates offers a powerful new framework for understanding our nation’s history and current crisis. Americans have built an empire on the idea of “race,” a falsehood that damages us all but falls most heavily on the bodies of black women and men—bodies exploited through slavery and segregation, and, today, threatened, locked up, and murdered out of all proportion."

A Narco History: How the United States and Mexico Jointly Created the "Mexican Drug War": "The term “Mexican Drug War” misleads. It implies that the ongoing bloodbath, which has now killed well over 100,000 people, is an internal Mexican affair.

But this diverts attention from the U.S. role in creating and sustaining the carnage....
Mexico was not a helpless victim. Powerful forces within the country profited hugely from supplying Americans with what their government forbade them. But the policies that spawned the drug war have proved disastrous for both countries."

Blogger wrf3 December 08, 2015 9:49 AM  

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Blogger Dave December 08, 2015 9:49 AM  

This clearly the "beginning of the end" for Trump.

Blogger wrf3 December 08, 2015 9:51 AM  

LOL @79: get over Northern aggression and tyranny? Not now, not ever.

Tell us, if you can, why forced political union is any less detestable than forced economic union.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 9:51 AM  

Tell us, if you can, why forced political union is any less detestable than forced political union.

Because Yankee gonna Yankee

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 9:51 AM  

Tell us, if you can, why forced political union is any less detestable than forced political union.

Because Yankee gonna Yankee

Anonymous gwood December 08, 2015 9:52 AM  

Trump didn't just move the Overton window. He smashed it out with a rifle butt and threw a grenade through it.
There's no going back for him now. He either wins or gets destroyed.

Anonymous 141yo December 08, 2015 9:54 AM  

normal people - "i'd rather be safe than sorry."

status signaling cuckservatives - "I'd rather be sorry than safe."

Blogger Krul December 08, 2015 9:56 AM  

Also,

"Americans have built an empire on the idea of “race,” a falsehood that damages us all but falls most heavily on the bodies of black women and men"
...
So the idea of "race" is a falsehood...
That mostly harms...
members of the black RACE.

I can typing! I can bestseller!

Blogger JartStar December 08, 2015 9:56 AM  

Is Russell Moore a cuckservative? Looks like it. Russell Moore on Twitter: "Evangelical Christians, if we're for religious liberty, we must say "no" to Trumpism: https://t.co/MfolAJeLmw"

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 10:07 AM  

@76 Nate

What will it take to add Californians to the list?

Keeping them out of Arizona is just a matter of checkpointing a few bridges. Nevada and Oregon will take some more work.

Anonymous Geoff December 08, 2015 10:08 AM  

contrary to American values of religious tolerance

As you've said, VD, the First Amendment is dead.

Anonymous Soga December 08, 2015 10:08 AM  

@95: Responses to that tweet are very encouraging.

Blogger James Clifton December 08, 2015 10:15 AM  

"Being Muslim should not be an outright disqualifier for entering the country if we are actually capable of vetting you. That’s why Ted Cruz’s suggestion of a moratorium on Muslim immigration from countries like Syria makes sense, but Trump’s global ban makes no sense. Our security services will have to be much better than a total Muslim ban if we hope to keep Americans safe anyway, considering the threat of homegrown terrorism – we’ll have to discriminate between Muslims who are a threat, and those that aren’t. There are a billion Muslims on planet earth. Banning all of them is simply impractical, as well as immoral."-Ben Shapiro

At least Shapiro did us the favor of putting his thoughts to text and didn't have us hear his unbearably squeaky nerd voice.

Blogger CM December 08, 2015 10:17 AM  

we only pretended it mattered from time to time to keep the train on the tracks

The train is fine.


I saw our Constitution at the archives. It's a bit fragile, but the Constitution is fine.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 10:18 AM  

The tribe must be getting desperate by now. They must be ready to send in the tourists.

Blogger jm December 08, 2015 10:23 AM  

It would be hilarious if Hillary's chief legacy (ISIS) ends up serving as the catalyst to the events that eventually cost her the election.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 10:23 AM  

"What will it take to add Californians to the list?"

if were up to me patriotic americans would be covering the whole california border with rifles and shooting every mouth breathing commie that tries to cross.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 10:23 AM  

"The Preamble to the Constitution trumps both the Constitution and the Amendments."

Totally disagree.

The preamble grants no powers. Take the preamble out and you still have everything required to establish the FedGov. Whether the FedGov is self-constraints, or is even capable of, is another matter.

The preamble is just a statement of purpose, the goal of the Constitution. All Constitutions have a goal. Constitutions, though, establish the means on how the government is to accomplish the goal. If the preamble -- the goal or ends -- is a an enforceable part of the Constitution, is it not the same as saying the ends are also its means? Is there, then, a limit to the government?

Blogger Jourdan December 08, 2015 10:23 AM  

"World Reacts to Trump's Proposed Ban on Muslims Entering U.S."

"Legal Experts: Trump's Muslim Ban Idea Unconstitutional"

-- Headlines, Washington Post at DEFCON 1, December 8, 2015


Jacksonians tolerate a certain amount of government perversion, but when it becomes unbearable, they look to a popular hero to restore government to its proper functions. It was in this capacity that Andrew Jackson was elected to the presidency, and the role has since been reprised by any number of politicians on both the local and the national stages. Recent decades have seen Ronald Reagan master the role, and George Wallace, Ross Perot, Jesse Ventura and Pat Buchanan auditioning for it. The Jacksonian hero dares to say what the people feel and defies the entrenched elites. "I welcome their hatred", said the aristocratic Franklin Roosevelt, in his role of tribune of the people. The hero may make mistakes, but he will command the unswerving loyalty of Jacksonian America so long as his heart is perceived to be in the right place.

-- Excerpt, The Jacksonian Tradition, Walter Russell Mead (1999)

Anonymous MrGreenMan December 08, 2015 10:29 AM  

@JaimeInTexas

"The preamble is just a statement of purpose, the goal of the Constitution. All Constitutions have a goal. Constitutions, though, establish the means on how the government is to accomplish the goal. If the preamble -- the goal or ends -- is a an enforceable part of the Constitution, is it not the same as saying the ends are also its means? Is there, then, a limit to the government?"

You are at the very gates of understanding, but you are missing it.

Americans have a fetish that the government is the nation.

If a constitution no longer does that thing for which it is set about to do, the right course of action is to re-establish a constitution and government that does that thing for which it is set about to do. In other words, by being the very statement of purpose, once it no longer does that purpose, you make a new one that fulfills the purpose.

It's similar to the idea that the one reserved power of the English Crown is to recreate an English government. The reserved power of the founders, who were the peoples of America through their several sovereign states, per the Preamble, is the power of government creation.

Blogger James Clifton December 08, 2015 10:30 AM  

"Being Muslim should not be an outright disqualifier for entering the country if we are actually capable of vetting you. That’s why Ted Cruz’s suggestion of a moratorium on Muslim immigration from countries like Syria makes sense, but Trump’s global ban makes no sense. Our security services will have to be much better than a total Muslim ban if we hope to keep Americans safe anyway, considering the threat of homegrown terrorism – we’ll have to discriminate between Muslims who are a threat, and those that aren’t. There are a billion Muslims on planet earth. Banning all of them is simply impractical, as well as immoral."-Ben Shapiro

At least Shapiro did us the favor of putting his thoughts to text and didn't have us hear his unbearably squeaky nerd voice.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 10:31 AM  

Amendments are an alteration/modification of something that came before and, by definition, supersedes and takes precedence over what is being modified. It is wrong to say that the preamble takes precedence over its modifier/amendment.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 10:33 AM  

Can it really be said that FDR was a great president?

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 10:35 AM  

Americans have a fetish that the government is the nation.

Surely this is wrong!

The people are the nation and the government is supposed to be the servant of the people. Of course, in practice, special interests capture the government ...

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 10:36 AM  

Can it really be said that FDR was a great president?

No

Blogger BassmanCO December 08, 2015 10:37 AM  

@96

Can we also kick them out of Colorado? My beautiful state has gone to shit in the last twenty or so years.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 10:38 AM  

@106. MrGreenMan

I am only addressing the narrow point of whether the preamble supersedes the part of the Articles and Amendments.

The Unanimous Declaration grants nothing to us. It merely points out, in document form, what is already our right/authority, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Does the Declaration supersede the Constitution? Sort of. The principles delineated by it certainly do.

Cannot leave out the conclusion:

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

Robert E. Lee's reply to Lord Acton

http://civilwartalk.com/threads/lees-reply-to-lord-acton.100952/


"I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

Blogger Stilicho #0066 December 08, 2015 10:44 AM  

@Nate, Josh: I live 10 miles from the ancestral home of the) Yankee general who burned out my family in the Shenandoah Valley. Whenever family visits we have to fight the temptation we have to fight the urge to return the favor. For now.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw December 08, 2015 10:47 AM  

@84 C'mon Nate; I dislike the War of Northern Aggression, but as an Ohioan, I think you're just salty that we, the state, keep beating you. However even when Secession happens again, we'll be joining Greater Appalachia, even if you beg us to be a part of the Confederate South again.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 10:49 AM  

"@84 C'mon Nate; I dislike the War of Northern Aggression, but as an Ohioan, I think you're jusnt salty that we, the state, keep beating you. "

Only a buckeye could think that 1-9 is a winning record.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 10:52 AM  

Well this is interesting

Even throughout all the religious rhetoric, the GOP’s fear-mongering, fascism, and terrorist threats, and the right wing’s attacks on Americans’ freedoms nationwide – attacks that no one seems to notice or care about anymore – there is an important takeaway here.

Sen. Sanders has a very good shot at winning the nomination for the Democratic candidacy, and then winning the White House.

Any way you cut it, the latest numbers show that no matter how delusional or extreme the GOP candidate is, or which is polling at the top of the Republican ticket currently, a Democrat would win hands down if the general elections were held today.

This isn’t an opinion, it’s numbers, and the WIU backs up those numbers. I for one wouldn’t bet the long shot against the one university that has the single most accurate prediction record ever, Democrat or not.

Would you?


Yes, yes I would, the Western Illinois University manlets and bluehairs still think ¡Jeb! is going to win the nomination.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 10:57 AM  

@5 Apothecary

Did Trump really say he would ban Muslims in our military from coming back to the US?
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Yeah we wouldn't want to exclude any bergdals or Ft. Hood shooters from coming back.

Faroooq had US citizenship and went overseas and came back with a terrorist side kick.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 10:59 AM  

@6 bearspaw

Wait for that idiot Loretta Lynch to issue an arrest warrant for The Donald.
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Has anyone heard a peep out of here lately? Maybe she's hunkered down in a safe space.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 10:59 AM  

Of course, in practice, special interests capture the government ...

And the Esquimaux have proven that:

1. They can capture the government, and

2. They can control the will of the people through the media, at least for a while.

In any Constitution V2.0 these issues have to be dealt with.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:01 AM  

@11 Cataline Sergius

No negative reviews yet. Which rather surprises me. The SJWs are falling down on the job.
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SJWs aren't Cucks. Cucks tremble in fear of SJW scorn. Why would SJWs give a bad review to a book that exposes their whipping boys? Well, in a logical world anyway.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw December 08, 2015 11:04 AM  

@117 Victory lasts for as long as you will keep it. The past is irrelevant. Though I will say it is disrespectful what the northerners in my state did when we came to visit.

Also I was going more along the lines of Civil War generals, flight, space flight, and the like. I've got a question though, does anyone have any sources on why the south initiated conflict by attacking Fort Sumter? not asking to raise hackles, just legitimately curious why it was a target.

Blogger VD December 08, 2015 11:05 AM  

Amendments are an alteration/modification of something that came before and, by definition, supersedes and takes precedence over what is being modified. It is wrong to say that the preamble takes precedence over its modifier/amendment.

You're totally and completely wrong. The objective supersedes the action taken to achieve the objective.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 11:10 AM  

The objective is primary. The actions taken to achieve the objective are secondary and might change in the light of experience.

Nothing is clearer.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:10 AM  

@12 Bohm

see the man hasn’t got a ‘policy’
---

For you and all the other weaksauce dumbasses who keep spitting out this nonsense, look on his website.

US China Trade

VA

Tax Reform

2nd Amendment

immigration

If you don't like Trump, fine. But stop being such a doucheweasel about it.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 08, 2015 11:12 AM  

Did Trump really say he would ban Muslims in our military from coming back to the US?

Can we afford more Fort Hood shootings aided by affirmative action? Every airport and port should have large pictures of Moohammad kissing the backside of a pig.

The SJWs are falling down on the job. Was there a sudden rise in SJW real world employment?

@11 Its a timing issue, Tues & Wednesday nights are almost always the slowest nights in ERs for drug/party accidents. They will start to come out of their haze on Thursday.

Saudi law as a model. My limited understanding is that only Muslims are allowed, except under rare circumstances

The circumstance that they need people smart enough to keep oil moving and water running.

Bohm has got Donald’s moose d*ck so far down his throat he can’t see

Gee Bohm how do you know the particulars of Donald's d*ck? Does it really block the light of the sun?

Blogger Hammerli280 December 08, 2015 11:17 AM  

@123 Caedryn Stonewall:
The Confederates fired on Fort Sumter because it was on South Carolina soil. The Federals continued to occupy it after SC seceded. So the Confederates decided to eject them by force.

Now, I think the decision to fire is Case Study #2 in Why You NEVER Let Democrats Control National Security. As of 8 April 1861, there was little sentiment in the North to fight. New England might have gone to war, but neither the Corn States nor the Tobacco States wanted any part of a conflict. The decision to fire on Fort Sumter gave Lincoln a perfect Causus Belli. In a single day, the Corn States became willing to fight, the Tobacco States became deeply divided (Virginia fractured over it, Maryland probably would have gone the same way).

The Democrats have ALWAYS tended to put sound national security strategy second to domestic political dogma. It's part of their intellectual DNA.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 11:17 AM  

In other news, Finland proposes to accelerate towards bankruptcy.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 11:21 AM  

@124. VD
@125. The Other Robot

We are talking about the document that establishes the methods by which an agent may act. The preamble says nothing about who in the government is empowered to call the militia or under which conditions, for example. Or, if there is such thing as a militia or if any in the militia can refuse the call.

That information is found in the Articles.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 11:24 AM  

The Democrats have ALWAYS tended to put sound national security strategy second to domestic political dogma. It's part of their intellectual DNA.

If you're going to compare the democrats of today with the democrats of 150 years ago, you're a dumb dumb.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 11:28 AM  

@123 Caedryn Stonelaw

Lincoln was informed up front that South Carolina would allow the Union to resupply Sumpter. However, any re-inforcement would be considered an act of war.

Ft Sumpter dominates Charleston harbour, which is the lifeblood of South Carolina. It was a legitimate position for them to take. Re-inforcement would equal a blockade; which is an act of war by international standards.

The Union tried to sneak the extra troops in during the night.

It is all in a letter between some Yankee general and Lincoln.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:30 AM  

@76 Nate

All I had to do was agree to allow travel bans and deportations on yankees next.
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You really are helping to Make America Great Again

Blogger Danby December 08, 2015 11:31 AM  

@JaimeInTexas
Seriously, the train is just fine

Blogger kurt9 December 08, 2015 11:32 AM  

Very good points, Vox.

I will add this. Encounters I have with people in all walks of life over the past several weeks have convinced me that Trump will be the next president. The hostility towards Obama and towards liberalism, in general, is highly reminiscent of the 1979-1980 period prior to the election of Ronald Reagan. I don't agree with Trump on several areas of policy. But I consider him FAR BETTER than any other candidate, if for no other reason he refuses to koutou to the establishment politics.

I will say this as well. There are forces in both parties that seek to derail Trump. I think they will try any thing they can to do so, even possibly extra-legal measures. I think if they prevail and Trump ends up not being elected (unless he does something really stupid), it will be safe to say that the U.S. is no longer a democracy, republic, or any other version of representative government.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 08, 2015 11:33 AM  

@31 "Trump shifts the Overton window for a Cruz presidency."

I hope not; the thing that a Cruz presidency would be sure to do is kill entirely the integrity of the natural born citizen clause... this is something I think our political overlords have been gunning for* for a long time: the NBC clause is a wholly nationalistic thing and our overlords are firmly entrenched in anti-nationalistic policies and mindsets (this alone explains the illegal immigration issue).

The 2008 elections seemed engineered to murky the waters (via McCain's birth), the 2012 to cement the precedence that the father's citizenship (at time of birth) was not relevant... if Cruz gets President these will be cemented as precedent.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 11:33 AM  

@134 Danby
OK. And that means what? That you are ignorant and have nothing to contribute so you try cute?

Blogger John Wright December 08, 2015 11:34 AM  

"Vox, from a purely philosophical perspective, what do you think of John Rawls' theory of justice?"

My opinion was not asked for, but I am a newspaperman from way back, so I will give it anyway.

Rawls' theory was that justice consisted of considering in the abstract, that is, without knowing your rank in society, what kind of society would be best.

His conclusion was that a modern socialist welfare state would take care of the lower ranks well enough so that if you, not knowing where you would be placed in the ranking, want to make prudent provision for your own wellbeing, you would support a welfare-state socialism out of your own self interest.

The crippling flaw in this theory is that Rawls assumes by hypothesis that the positions in the social rank are arbitrary. He has the hypothetical person deciding in which society to live make the decision 'behind the veil of ignorance' that is, not knowing his own capacities or merits or birth.

In other words, Rawls asks the reader to decide about how society should be ranked without saying, or even hinting, what the ranking is based on.

If the ranking is based on birth, as it is in a class society of commoners and nobles and royalty, Rawls argument might almost make sense for someone more afraid of being born a commoner than eager to be born royalty, and unwilling to take the risk on the throw of the dice of fate.

Because of cause Alpha types would always vote for a birth-class society because the prospect of being royalty to them is worth the risk of being common. Gamma types, like Rawls, base their thinking on envy, and the envious would rather eliminate the royalty altogether than run the risk of being born a commoner.

But if the crippling flaw is taken away, and the society is not just a choice between a monarchy or a socialism, then Rawls' theory is reduced to nonsense.

An American would always choice a free society over the soft injustice of the Welfare state or the hard injustice of Monarchy. The American would say, "Stuff your welfare bullshit. Make the rules JUST, give me liberty, and I do not care where I might be in when the veil of ignorance is lifted, and I find myself poor or rich. Give me liberty, and if I am poor I will make myself rich."

The one thing Rawls leaves out of his theory of justice is justice. The one option never explored is the option of leaving every man to enjoy the fruits of his labors in peace, each owning what he earned.

Instead his discussion is about how to divvy up the loot among pirates, that is, how to distribute unjustly acquired goods that fall upon you by happenstance, luck, or whatnot.

The idea that Rawls is attempting to assassinate with his argument is the idea that liberty is unfair, but he does this without ever once mentioning liberty. He speak only of the advantages of birth and happenstance, as if the prosperous and successful men in America got there by dumb luck.

He is British, of course, and the only thing they have ever known are Monarchy and Welfare-statism.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:35 AM  

@79 LOL

Awwwww, still feeling all butthurt over Appomattox?

YOU LOST, get over it!
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*Ding*
*Ding*

And up for auction today we have a Yankee!

Any bidders from Alabama? Georgia? Florida?

How about Texas? Oklahoma?

Arizona? Nevada?

Bueller? Bueller?

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:37 AM  

@95 JartStar

Is Russell Moore a cuckservative? Looks like it. Russell Moore on Twitter: "Evangelical Christians, if we're for religious liberty, we must say "no" to Trumpism: https://t.co/MfolAJeLmw"
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He must be one of those Churchians I keep hearing about

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 11:38 AM  

Trump comes out as a gun grabber:

Donald Trump, the GOP front-runner, appeared to differentiate himself from the rest of the field by saying he would consider supporting efforts to prohibit firearms purchases for no-fly list members.

Blogger Danby December 08, 2015 11:39 AM  

@137JaimeInTexad
That means you're sperging all over the comment thread with irrelevancies because you're fixated on a dialectic point rather than reality.

Blogger ncartist December 08, 2015 11:40 AM  

@ 79. LOL
Awwwww, still feeling all butthurt over Appomattox?
YOU LOST, get over it!


They can't. It's their train: every so often go deep into the backwoods hold it in their gaze and hiss, "Precious."

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 11:41 AM  

@104 JaimeInTexas

Is there, then, a limit to the government?

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Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,

Anonymous rienzi December 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

Muslims don't get along with Christians, they don't get along with Jews, they don't get along with Hindus, they don't get along with Sikhs, they don't get along with Buddhists, they don't get along with Atheists. They, seemingly, have not gotten along on equal terms with any other group, anywhere, at any time, in their entire history. They seem to be the most obnoxious a-holes in the history of the world.

So Trump is "bad" and "fascist" because he wants to remove them from our midst?

Dude's plan sounds perfectly reasonable and rational to me.

Blogger The Other Robot December 08, 2015 11:42 AM  

If you're going to compare the democrats of today with the democrats of 150 years ago, you're a dumb dumb.

Well, I dunno about they. They seem to have always supported slavery, it's just that the specific type of slavery has changed.

Note, that doesn't mean that the Repubs do not also currently support slavery. They are cuckservatives after all.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

@142 Danby
Why not have stated that first?

Anonymous Anonymous December 08, 2015 11:43 AM  

Great speech by Trump last night, particularly destroying Katy Tur, calling her "little Katy". Probably was extra mean to her husband after what Trump did to her.

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw December 08, 2015 11:47 AM  

@128 Hammerli280
@132 Rusty Fife

Thank you both, I hadn't actually ever heard the accusation of reinforcements levied before, interesting that it was omitted from my textbooks. All of my personal reading always focused on the fighting aspect of the war. Though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, it is similar to the fact that the Lusitania was, in fact, smuggling weapons from the US even after Germany said that would be the red line.

Blogger James Dixon December 08, 2015 11:48 AM  

> All I had to do was agree to allow travel bans and deportations on yankees next.

If you want Texas, Nevada, and Colorado on board you'll have to add Californians to the list.

Ah, I see it's already been discussed. Carry on.

Blogger Tom K. December 08, 2015 11:48 AM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 11:50 AM  

@142
I do know the difference between ought and is. And what is today, and since before 1865, have rendered the Constitution a Dead Letter in pursuance of different views as to what constitutes "domestic Tranquility" and "general Welfare" (which is also in Article 1, section 8).

Those things may be determined only, again we are strictly talking about the preamble v. the Constitution, by finding out what is actually contained within the text in the Articles and Amendments. Because a "dangerous fire" agency is being is being created and empowered.

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 08, 2015 11:55 AM  

@141: Trump comes out as a gun grabber

Why did you not quote what he said, instead of CNN's summary of it?

Blogger John Wright December 08, 2015 11:57 AM  

"Stripping citizens of their citizenship is a dangerous legal precedent..."

Dangerous, perhaps; precedent, no. There are already longstanding legal means to do this, with roots going back into the English Common Law.

We are not talking about a theoretical future, nor a change in the law. Right now you can have your citizenship stripped (for example, by active service in an enemy army, or by swearing fealty to a foreign flag).

While American law does allow for duel citizenship, such a thing is not a right, that is, a magistrate can decide if you've lost your right to be a citizen by your actions.

Blogger ncartist December 08, 2015 11:59 AM  

Here, while your back are turned, Obama is burning and seizing western ranches. this is way past the time for rising up: the BLM officials and agents should be succumbing to sniper fire at this point.

And all you asper Southrons are muttering "Precious."

Anonymous The OASF December 08, 2015 12:02 PM  

CuckRoach in full effect...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article48552220.html

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 12:04 PM  

@148. Caedryn Stonelaw

Do a little reading on the Star Of The West. BTW, it was Buchanan who initially planned the resupply. Lincoln kep the plan and added armed escort.

Also, read about Major Anderson's correspondence with Lincoln, pre and post Fort Sumter's fall. It was a setup from the get go. Another name to study is Gustavus Fox.

Anderson complained about Fox's plans, that he should have been consulted and, upon hearing about the resupply plan, wrote that war had started.

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 12:07 PM  

@148

Here is a link to the letters about Sumter.

http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/connections/abraham-lincoln-papers/history5.html

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 08, 2015 12:12 PM  

@ ncartist

That's disgusting. Being called terrorists for setting grazing land on fire to clear out shrubbery?!?

Anonymous BGS December 08, 2015 12:14 PM  

It's laughable that the leftists are so confident in the vetting process for refugees in another country yet

They think every cop is out to kill innocent blacks just because they are high on PCP running at them with a knife. They think cops lay in wait in the middle of the street hoping for a high on PCP niglet to run by.

from news sources is that San Bernardino was done by text book "Moderate" Muslims.

Pics of the wife show she was a miniskirt moslem. The best definition of "moderate moslem" is that they fear backlash from tomorrow's attack.

Trump comes out as a gun grabber...Why did you not quote what he said, instead of CNN's summary of it?

Leftists are not smart enough to understand the difference.

Blogger Desiderius December 08, 2015 12:16 PM  

"Trump comes out as a gun grabber:

Donald Trump, the GOP front-runner, appeared to differentiate himself from the rest of the field by saying he would consider supporting efforts to prohibit firearms purchases for no-fly list members."

Trump is an all-purpose bull in the china shop.

Which is good, because the American polity cannot function as a china shop. Which leads to the question of how it became one in the first place...

"Policy is like sex. If you ban rational discussion of it at home, the kids will learn about it from idiots on the playground."

- Iowahawk

Blogger Desiderius December 08, 2015 12:21 PM  

Nate,

"He's probably from some shit hole like Ohio."

Cleveland's not that big.

I can see the Mason-Dixon line from my house.

Anonymous gustavo December 08, 2015 12:25 PM  

#76
Nate, is it time to buy gold again?

Anonymous BGS December 08, 2015 12:27 PM  

Nate, is it time to buy gold again?

You should stock up on rice beans and bullets first.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 12:30 PM  

"#76
Nate, is it time to buy gold again?"

Its never not time to buy Gold.

OpenID Jack Amok December 08, 2015 12:33 PM  

the First Amendment is dead.

No, the First Amendment isn't dead, but simply reverted to what it originally was - a pact between religions that voluntarily agreed to it. Any religion that agrees not to try and use politics to suppress other members of the pact will in return be free from suppression attempts by those other members. Any religion that doesn't join the pact doesn't get protection.

So, broadly, members of the pact seem to be: most Protestants and Catholics, Mormons, Orthodox, Buddhists, Hindus, Native American religions, and Agnostics.

Religions clearly rejecting the pact: Islam, Atheism, Global Warmingmongering, Feminism, GLBTXYZetc-ism., and all other affiliates of the SJW church.

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 12:34 PM  

"Why did you not quote what he said, instead of CNN's summary of it?"


Here's the quote:

"I'm very strong into the whole thing with Second Amendment -- but if you can't fly, and if you've got some really bad -- I would certainly look at that very hard."

Now tell me with a straight face you'd give Cruz or Jeb or Rubio or Rand the same benefit of doubt.

OpenID Jack Amok December 08, 2015 12:35 PM  

if were up to me patriotic americans would be covering the whole california border with rifles and shooting every mouth breathing commie that tries to cross.

I'll go one better - an assault group that recaptures it and expels the NE liberals back to the northeast. Payment to the soldiers will be in beachfront property or fertile farmland - their choice.

Blogger CM December 08, 2015 12:35 PM  

@ ncartist

That's disgusting. Being called terrorists for setting grazing land on fire to clear out shrubbery?!?


This was the #1 thing running through my head when Obama proposed gun laws to keep guns out of "terrorists hands".

It sounded so reasonable and easy to agree with except the guy can't call a Muslim a terrorist but finds it so easy to call innocent Americans terrorists.

OpenID denektenorsk December 08, 2015 12:47 PM  

This whole banning Muslims will hurt our security apparatus is nonsense. The FBI already states they are getting zero help anyways:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/07/fmr-fbi-counterterrorism-agent-weve-received-nearly-zero-help-from-u-s-muslim-community-since-911/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/07/fbi-stats-debunk-dc-medias-muslim-backlash-myth/

Blogger Student in Blue December 08, 2015 12:59 PM  

@Nate

Now tell me with a straight face you'd give Cruz or Jeb or Rubio or Rand the same benefit of doubt.

I'd give everyone except Jeb the same benefit of doubt. Straight face.

Blogger Dan in Tx December 08, 2015 1:07 PM  

I have yet to hear what the supposed upside is to bringing Moslems here. I mean, at least with Mexicans they tell us, "They'll do the manual labor that white's won't" as an excuse. It's like their only reason on the Moslems is, "Well they're poor and it's sad they live in the desert."

Blogger Nate December 08, 2015 1:09 PM  

"I'd give everyone except Jeb the same benefit of doubt. Straight face."

***ahem***

Bullshit.

The second someone brought up guns and the second amendment, you would roll this quote out to challenge them.

But its Trump. So you're fine with it. Because Golden Boy.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 08, 2015 1:17 PM  

@138

That was just about what Ayn Rand had to say about it when the book was released.

Blogger LES December 08, 2015 1:18 PM  

Trump = None Of The Above

Anonymous Wyrd December 08, 2015 1:21 PM  

...Jeb or Rubio or Rand...

The Three Cucketeers

Anonymous BGS December 08, 2015 1:24 PM  

It's like their only reason on the Moslems is, "Well they're poor and it's sad they live in the desert."

Equality, the next Steve Jobs could be a sand nigger if evolution stopped at the neck in humans. Do you really want to turn away SNSJ?

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 1:27 PM  

@155 The OASF

CuckRoach in full effect...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article48552220.html
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Maybe he and Eric Erickson can get together and see who has the biggest Cuck credentials.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 1:28 PM  

Russell Moore on Twitter: "Evangelical Christians, if we're for religious liberty, we must say "no" to Trumpism:"

This "religious liberty" garbage needs to go, along with the rest of leftism. At one time, it meant: "If you practice some religion different from the majority in the privacy of your home, we won't come drag you out and burn you at the stake." Now it means all religions are equally valid, the pope sends Ramadan cards, and when someone does something in the name of a non-Christian religion, you're not allowed to criticize it because you might give a glancing blow to the religion. It's not Christian, and it's ahistorical for so many to think it is.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 08, 2015 1:36 PM  

@176 BGS

It's like their only reason on the Moslems is, "Well they're poor and it's sad they live in the desert."

Equality, the next Steve Jobs could be a sand nigger if evolution stopped at the neck in humans. Do you really want to turn away SNSJ?
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There was a hilarious troll on brietbart that was at maximum hand wringing. Paraphasing - "Now we'll never know what amazing contributions the next great muslim scientist would have given us"

BAHAHAHAHAAA

OpenID tz December 08, 2015 1:39 PM  

I'm counting the Me So Michelle fan club members that are going cucky over Trump's suggestion
http://voxday.blogspot.com/search?q=japanese+internment
"We had to inter the Japanese, but can't block Muslims! Especially citizens!"
Sorry, but we have American Citizen Muslims in this country arbitraging gun regulations in different areas to commit massacres.
This is likely to continue, but I expect the reddish "flyover country" to adopt constitutional (open and concealed) carry and to use state supremacy for government and public places. Idaho has a law making it a civil rights violation to deny service based on exercising 2nd amendment rights.
There are few mosques in such states, but I expect many will organize one-way bus trips to California which will enact tougher "gun-free" laws.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 1:42 PM  

the Western Illinois University manlets and bluehairs still think ¡Jeb! is going to win the nomination.

That's funny, because my mom went to Western, and I agree that ¡Jeb! will still win the nomination if the GOP can find a way to make it happen. He's the presumptive nominee until he concedes. I'm sure we have different reasons for thinking that, though.

Blogger Student in Blue December 08, 2015 1:58 PM  

@Nate

But its Trump. So you're fine with it. Because Golden Boy.

Quit making shit up Nate. I've never said anything of the sort.

Anonymous BGS December 08, 2015 2:03 PM  

It's like their only reason on the Moslems is, "Well they're poor and it's sad they live in the desert.

Here is one benefit, if news was reported there would be lots of race realists.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/muslim-migrant-beats-rapes-north-dakota-woman-while-chanting-allahu-akbar_12082015

Blogger DadOfTen December 08, 2015 2:17 PM  

I am so excited! J. K. Rowling says that Trump is worse than Voldemort. I will now get to refer to Trump as "He Who Must Not Be Named" or HWMNBN.

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 2:25 PM  


We are not talking about a theoretical future, nor a change in the law. Right now you can have your citizenship stripped (for example, by active service in an enemy army, or by swearing fealty to a foreign flag).

While American law does allow for duel citizenship, such a thing is not a right, that is, a magistrate can decide if you've lost your right to be a citizen by your actions.


The dangerous precedent is doing so en masse without due process.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 2:25 PM  

@153. John Wright

A couple of questions, only in the case of a natural born citizen (born in a member State in the union, at least):

1) Joins the "active service in an enemy army." That is treason. Can it be said that it is the person that relinquished the citizenship?

2) There should not be such thing as dual citizenship and why it is allowed is a puzzle. But, is it not "swearing fealty to a foreign flag" the relinquishment of the citizenship by the person?

Blogger Josh December 08, 2015 2:30 PM  

Right now you can have your citizenship stripped (for example, by active service in an enemy army, or by swearing fealty to a foreign flag).

Like the IDF or Star Of David?

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 2:49 PM  

@187
Any, including the the above mentioned.

Blogger Sam Lively December 08, 2015 3:00 PM  

@140

Russell Moore is pretty much the definition of a Christian cuckservative. Basically the Southern Baptist Rod Dreher (Dreher of course quoted Moore to condemn Trump).

Blogger wrf3 December 08, 2015 3:29 PM  

JamieInTexas @186: There should not be such thing as dual citizenship and why it is allowed is a puzzle.

Because the Apostle Paul set the example:

1) "But our citizenship is in heaven, and it is from there that we are expecting a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ."
2) Paul said, “But I was born a citizen.” [of Rome]

Blogger Rusty Fife December 08, 2015 3:36 PM  

@190 wrf3

...and with that, the SJWs are looking for the footnote, of the mil-right, showing that Muslims have a higher-calling to Islam than America; e.g. dual citizenship. They don't believe people really follow their religious texts.

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 08, 2015 4:50 PM  

@190. wrf3

Your handle should be wtf.

The dual citizenship is a temporal and a spiritual one. Do I really need to explain this?

As soon as Jesus returns and sets up His government, I will relinquish any and all temporal citizenships. I am certain there will be no such thing as dual citizenship. Good luck with you.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 08, 2015 4:56 PM  

I have yet to hear what the supposed upside is to bringing Moslems here.

Diversity. It's always a good thing. You don't have to be able to say what they bring. In fact, making such a list would be uncouth. It's just a given, an unshakable belief, that the more diversity there is in a group of people, the better.

You might as well ask, "What are these 'electrolytes'? Do you even know?" They're what plants crave, duh.

Blogger wrf3 December 08, 2015 5:07 PM  

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Blogger wrf3 December 08, 2015 5:19 PM  

JaimeInTexas @193 wrote: The dual citizenship is a temporal and a spiritual one. Do I really need to explain this?

Yes, you do. In particular, if your duties as a citizen of heaven conflict with your duties as an American, where will your allegiance lie in the here and now?

Blogger Dexter December 08, 2015 5:20 PM  

I have yet to hear what the supposed upside is to bringing Moslems here.

You'll get that right after the Left provides their irrefutable analysis of the benefits of integrated classrooms and neighborhoods.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 08, 2015 6:00 PM  

Love the Brawndo references.

Changing the subject from diversity back to citizenship for a moment, muslims are required to give their allegiance to the caliph, and the caliph is a foreign potentate, correct?  In other words, all muslims are ineligible for US citizenship because of this, and all converts have revoked their citizenship.

Blogger Markku December 08, 2015 6:18 PM  

1) "But our citizenship is in heaven, and it is from there that we are expecting a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ."
2) Paul said, “But I was born a citizen.” [of Rome]


The citizenship of a nation is subordinate to the citizenship in God's kingdom. God is the one that put the authorities in place, for the praise of those who do good and the punishment of those who do evil.

The citizenship to another nation is in competition with the other nation. It is similar to swearing allegiance both to Jahweh and Belial.

Blogger Markku December 08, 2015 6:19 PM  

The relationship between the citizenship of Heaven and the citizenship of a nation is similar to that of allegiance to a nation, and its particular municipal authority.

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