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Saturday, December 26, 2015

Mailvox: the burning shame

Gammas never know when to stop. They always think that if they can just figure out the perfect thing to say, if they can somehow formulate the ideal insult and drop it at just the right time, they can completely flip the situation around and triumph like the secret kings they believe themselves to be.

By which I mean HS, or "Harry Savannah" as he calls himself, couldn't even flounce away properly. After loftily announcing that he would let me "take the last word... like an obnoxious child demands," he couldn't quite manage to do so and emailed me a sixth time.

Did I say 16 yrs. old? Overestimated. Make that 13...Gamma.

I figured you'd be back again. You are such a Gamma that you can't even flounce away properly. You see, when you talked about what an obnoxious child demands, that was a psychological tell. You were emotionally projecting. That's why you're trying to use my terms now, because you think they will hurt me the way they hurt you. But they won't. They don't apply.

I understand that it stings to know thousands of people are laughing at you. But that's what happens when you are foolish enough to take on your intellectual and social superiors. Now, you can either learn your lesson and stop here, or you can keep digging yourself in deeper.

Your behavior is not Christian in the slightest, in fact, it makes Christians look more than a little bit crazy. You really should stop this now.
This is where the similarity between the SJW mindset and the Gamma mindset can be seen; both SJWs and Gammas believe that if they fake it long enough, their declarations will somehow magically come alive. It's a sort of intellectual cargo cult; it certainly involves magical thinking.

UPDATE: Harry just. keeps. going.
You are a study, Junior, in adolescent tub-thumping. You know nothing about me but offer this blunderbuss: "...your intellectual and social superiors." Are you for real? Can you actually be this intellectually pubescent? Also this teenage piece of work: "...that was a psychological tell." Riiiiiiiight, Junior, that's EXACTLY what it was...a "psychological tell". Now I'm actually curious - how old are you?

Just a little piece of advice, lad, because I'm beginning to feel embarrassed FOR you. And it is just that. You seem to be without a capacity to feel embarrassment. Call it extreme adolescent hubris. Call it moronic, but for heaven's sake take some adult advice at long last. Am I asking too much here?
I have warned Harry that if he persists in attempting to harass me, his email address is going on the blog. I don't think it's necessary to turn him over to the VFM, as he's just an annoying Gamma male, not an SJW in attack mode. I get the feeling that he is an older individual who doesn't really understand how social media works.
Just like a control-obsessed overweening bully - you make a threat. Very good, the mask comes off. You persist in asking why I don't stop emailing you. Yet you do not seem to see that you do exactly the same. Remarkable obtuseness. This could have stopped several steps ago in this exchange. But, of course, you must have the last word - only to make a threat after you're wearied with it. But it is true that I offered to give you that last word. So I am obligated to do so.  Let me finally say that it is my judgment that you are a fraud as a professing Christian, a disgrace - not even identifying as a believer a single time in this exchange and engaging in a thoughtful manner anything of the substance of my initial query, but preferred to petulantly complain about my being "impolite." Which, considering all the badinage in this tennis exercise, seems down-right ridiculous in the end, no?
This is the second time he has implied he would stop. We'll see. It's really remarkable the way Gammas always seem to want to jump in, lecture you, and then have you obediently accept their very important message without saying anything.

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77 Comments:

Blogger Dexter December 26, 2015 6:57 PM  

Maybe they were reading the "fake it 'til you make it" advice on the PUA websites...

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 7:09 PM  

The vital difference is that the PUA advice applies to YOU. Fake confidence until you feel it. That's very difference than pretending objective reality is different than it is in the hopes that doing so will actually transform it somehow.

No pickup artist teaches men to tell a girl that he's already had sex with her when he hasn't.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2015 7:16 PM  

Searching "Harry Savannah" brings up a nightclub, a check cashing place in Savannah, a show called "Mistresses", and a story about the nightclub that referred to it as a strip club.

Blogger El Borak December 26, 2015 7:19 PM  

What's perhaps most interesting is that he's cockwalking for an audience of one. I could understand it if he was on Twitter or somewhere that would give him friends, er, co-miserables to cheer him on. But to email, knowing that you'll simply expose him before an audience that is sure to flay him... that's gotta be some sort of masochistic ultra-gamma that deserves a unique, snowflake seat on the hierarchy.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2015 7:21 PM  

I learned how this Internet thing works and the only way to exit this game, when I was 12, on a listserv, and I deleted email #3 rather than continuing to send them.

Blogger tz December 26, 2015 7:26 PM  

Magic dirt causes magical thinking. Perhaps it is due to a high lead content.

Orthopraxy can lead to Orthodoxy, aligning with the truth and natural law, but no amount of wishful thinking or pantomime can turn illusion, unreality, or stupidity into something that will work on any level.

That is the importance of "the red pill". The real world might be ugly and unpleasant, but it is real. A christian and secularist will deal with it differently, but they are at least both dealing with reality.

The earlier incarnation of this evil was Norman Vincent Peale, the Power of Positive Thinking, and later Robert Schuler who build the "Crystal Cathedral" (now under Catholic ownership) where they thought imagination could change reality. God can - it's called a miracle - but man can't command God, he can merely beg.

Gammas cannot conceive that someone can differ - not be convinced - without it being through stupidity (even against someone with much higher intelligence and knowledge), or bad will.

At some point a difference might lead to a point where there is nothing to be gained by continuing the conversation. You can only talk past each other. The correct thing is to simply end the conversation at that point no matter who has the "last word".

Also, in most cases where ones Chrisdentials are suspect, the correct judge of the matter is no living Man, but God, Christ, himself. If the celestial court either doesn't wish to judge, or to take its time, who am I to complain? We will have everything judged in a moment of eternity anyway - that is promised. Asking for a preliminary injunction is dangerous as you open yourself up to being judged before dies irae.

The proper thing is to plant your own tree and produce more and better fruit than those you are concerned about.

Blogger automatthew December 26, 2015 7:27 PM  

What's perhaps most interesting is that he's cockwalking for an audience of one. I could understand it if he was on Twitter or somewhere that would give him friends, er, co-miserables to cheer him on. But to email, knowing that you'll simply expose him before an audience that is sure to flay him... that's gotta be some sort of masochistic ultra-gamma that deserves a unique, snowflake seat on the hierarchy.

They truly do believe that they are important people.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 26, 2015 7:28 PM  

or "Harry Savannah" as he calls himself,

I thought he (or she) went by “Jim Oglethorpe”. (Going by just what you've posted of those ‘two’, I already suspect a tentacle job.)

And making Christians look crazy probably isn't unintended.

Blogger SciVo December 26, 2015 7:30 PM  

That reminds me of this shiv...

Feminism: a cargo cult of masculinity.

Blogger Eric Wilson December 26, 2015 7:31 PM  

Every time he calls VD "Junior," I picture bizarro world Sean Connery saying it.

Blogger Nate December 26, 2015 7:37 PM  

***blink***

I hate gammas. I mean I really really hate gammas.

Blogger SciVo December 26, 2015 7:38 PM  

El Borak @4: But to email, knowing that you'll simply expose him before an audience that is sure to flay him... that's gotta be some sort of masochistic ultra-gamma that deserves a unique, snowflake seat on the hierarchy.

Could be spergy gamma, but I'm leaning omega.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 26, 2015 7:42 PM  

You know, I think the heart of the matter is these type seem to think the world would stop spinning if they stepped off.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 7:51 PM  

I want his email address.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2015 7:52 PM  

I think he couldn't keep up the charade. At least the fake Christian language is gone, and now he's pretending he's an angry old man, but this misuse of a term just shows he's trying too hard: "but offer this blunderbuss"

A blunderbuss is a gun; I think he was looking for the word "blunder" and hoping to sex it up a bit.

I'm missing what his adult advice is, but I assume it's listen to HS, and, by listen, as Dalrock says, she really means do as she says.

The age thing must really get to him. It's not like it's a secret what your age is.

Blogger Student in Blue December 26, 2015 7:59 PM  

You are a study, Junior, in adolescent tub-thumping. You know nothing about me but offer this blunderbuss: "...your intellectual and social superiors." Are you for real? Can you actually be this intellectually pubescent? Also this teenage piece of work: "...that was a psychological tell." Riiiiiiiight, Junior, that's EXACTLY what it was...a "psychological tell". Now I'm actually curious - how old are you?

Translation:

Intellectual superior? PSHAW, there's no such thing. All the smart people know that there's no such thing as being smarter than other people -- equality!

Social superior? PSHAW, I'm the one saying all the nice goodthinks, I'm obviously more popular.

Psychological tell? Hah, those things don't exist! Look how smart I am, and how dumb you are! Even if they did exist, you can't judge others you non-un-anti-Christian!

Blogger Aziz P. December 26, 2015 8:04 PM  

@tz

Gammas cannot conceive that someone can differ - not be convinced - without it being through stupidity (even against someone with much higher intelligence and knowledge), or bad will.

At some point a difference might lead to a point where there is nothing to be gained by continuing the conversation. You can only talk past each other. The correct thing is to simply end the conversation at that point no matter who has the "last word".


this was a hugely helpful definition, tz. thank you.

there really needs to be a dictionary here somewhere.

Anonymous SJB December 26, 2015 8:06 PM  

“ . . . I'm beginning to feel embarrassed FOR you . . .”
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This usually elicits a chuckle from me and did not fail in this instance: this is a tactic of a decade or so ago; as if some unknown typist’s embarrassment has any bearing whatsoever.
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Tell it it failed the SJW muster by not inquiring your preferred pronoun.

Anonymous VFM #0189 December 26, 2015 8:15 PM  

Shouting "I'm OK! I'm OK!" after faceplanting on the bunny hill does not make the situation less embarrassing.

Harry, buddy. Shut up and cherish the pain.

Anonymous MMX2010 December 26, 2015 8:35 PM  

As a former Gamma and beginning PUA, I can add to Vox's explanation in post #2.

A non-Gamma PUA sees confidence as one detail in a large number of details that work together. You build up your body, buy fashionable clothes, read multiple PUA books, and watch multiple PUA videos until you have a sense of what works. But you don't have the experience-based understanding of what works. However, you do remember that any form of insecurity or neediness is severely unattractive, so you "fake it until you make it".

A Gamma PUA will focus on the "fake it until you make it" detail and ignore all other details about body building, fashion improvement, and learning that his interpretations of events can never override HER interpretations. So he rushes into his approaches, gets painfully rejected, and complains that he "did exactly what those PUA manuals say", but they don't really work.

Anonymous Pete Schnapps December 26, 2015 8:40 PM  

lol if you're so alpha why do you waste your time immersing your mind in this garbage? Every time I see you linked to from another, more civilized blog you're either bragging about yourself or talking a bunch of shit. And you somehow think this makes you superior to others. Nice way to spend your life man.

Those of you who are innocent: take heed. This isn't the type of guy you want to follow. He's an insecure, toxic blowhard.

Anonymous Pete Schnapps December 26, 2015 8:44 PM  

This faggot is like a less successful, more ridiculously cartoonish version of Roissy. Seriously dude, let it go. Stop blogging. Give up the toxicity. Give up the narcissistic supply. It's clearly driving you insane and leading you to a hellish place.

Anonymous cheddarman December 26, 2015 8:48 PM  

Vox I know you could more easily burry this but it will help others put to death their own inner gamma by watching this play out. God wants us to grow into our manhood

Anonymous Lukas Brunnor December 26, 2015 8:52 PM  

Thanks for the advice Pete Schnapps you lovable cuck you. Looking out for us, the misguided offspring of alpha males, like the good little beta provider that you are.

I definitely read HS as a woman. Not sure what it is but I cannot picture that sequence of words coming from a man. Men don't respond to insults of intelligence the way modern women do either.

Blogger haus frau December 26, 2015 9:05 PM  

HS reads like he/she is typing straight our of a thesaurus just to prove how super smart and eloquent he is. Lots of flowery language when a few concise lines would have expressed the same thing better. Brevity is the soul of wit,remember, not vocabulary.

OpenID elijahrhodes December 26, 2015 9:05 PM  

Grabs popcorn...

Blogger Fatherless December 26, 2015 9:05 PM  

"You persist in asking why I don't stop emailing you."

Uh huh.

Also, I'm seeing how annoying this behavior is of explaining every little thought - as if they only someone would disagree is they didn't understand.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 9:06 PM  

lol if you're so alpha why do you waste your time immersing your mind in this garbage?

First, I'm not alpha. Second, it's not garbage.

you somehow think this makes you superior to others.

No, I think having a very high IQ makes me intellectually superior to others. This is, in fact, true, as you would know if you understood statistical distributions.

Stop blogging. Give up the toxicity. Give up the narcissistic supply. It's clearly driving you insane and leading you to a hellish place.

Vox's First Law: Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from insanity.

Blogger VD December 26, 2015 9:10 PM  

I have to admit, I'm a little bewildered at the idea that I will crumble with shame upon being called a bully. I am the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil. My minions are literally countless - and yes, I'll get caught up on that this weekend - and I make absolutely no pretense at being the good guy.

I am the very bad guy. That's sort of the point.

Anonymous Dave December 26, 2015 9:11 PM  

I couldn't help thinking of George Costanza in "The Comeback":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comeback_(Seinfeld)

OpenID Jack Amok December 26, 2015 9:13 PM  

Faceless, yeah, good call on the fake Christian. This line:

Your behavior is not Christian in the slightest, in fact, it makes Christians look more than a little bit crazy.

is a good tell. If the little shit was a Christian, he would've said "...it makes us look bad..." or "...you give us a bad name..."

Just another lying SJW Gamma.

I definitely read HS as a woman. Not sure what it is but I cannot picture that sequence of words coming from a man. Men don't respond to insults of intelligence the way modern women do either.

Gammas think, respond and emote like women.

Anonymous Faceless December 26, 2015 9:13 PM  

You're Mr. Bad Guy, and they're all afraid of you.

Blogger S1AL December 26, 2015 9:14 PM  

"Schnapps". "Civilized". Pick one.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 9:15 PM  

27 Annoying doesn't scratch the surface. Gammatude basics revolve around and predicts a gamma cannot leave his own mind. So endless replies about nothing constantly explaining something is so very annoying after the 3rd email. Something, nothing, nothing something. To the gamma this is really important but for others its a headache of excess.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 26, 2015 9:30 PM  

@31: Your behavior is not Christian in the slightest, in fact, it makes Christians look more than a little bit crazy. is a good tell. If the little shit was a Christian, he would've said

No, I think that sentence was part of Vox's reply to ‘Harry’. Faceless was talking about the first blockquote in the ‘UPDATE’.

Anonymous Doc Rampage December 26, 2015 9:34 PM  

HS's vocabulary is clearly forced. He (although I suspect he's really a she) is trying to generate an illusion of intelligence, but highly intelligent people don't talk that way. They use the same words everyone else uses except for when they feel they need an increase in precision. For example, Vox's use of the word "flounce away" instead of "walk away" creates the image of a little girl in a pink dress.

By contrast, HS's use of "adolescent" instead of "teenage" in that context had no purpose except to show that the speaker knows big words. And the use of "pubescent" is wrong. "Pubescent" has implications of sexual awakening or sexual awkwardness that don't fit the writer's meaning at all. That's what happens when you write with a thesaurus and don't really grasp the connotations of words--you come off sounding a bit weird.

Incidentally, I've been called a gamma on this list and accepted the label because I really don't care. But if this is what a gamma is, then I'm retroactively insulted.

Blogger Neanderserk December 26, 2015 9:51 PM  

He sounds like he's ?-flat, from what little was posted. They often equate hierarchical behavior with status-loss and immaturity. They do expect a sort of ingenopathic dialogue-of-equals. Not that this dialogue typically does any good (from the honor-hierarchical's perspective), since they've a-priori rejected hierarchy.

Given that he's being made an example, probably dishonor-flat and low SMV.

It can be hard to disambiguate ?-flat from effeminacy with a thin data slice, because ?-flat is a bit feminine, after all.

As to how this maps to Gamma - Gamma is an outcome with some archetypal associations; ?-flat is a hardware trait.

Blogger Neanderserk December 26, 2015 9:57 PM  

Oh wow, having read the writing sample from the other post, yes, gamma. If ?-flat is even involved, it doesn't seem primary to me anymore.

Blogger El Borak December 26, 2015 10:02 PM  

Automatthew: They truly do believe that they are important people.

That's pretty much the point. Look at it this way: How much would it cost for Pavarotti to come sing for just you? If he's still alive*, I'm betting it would cost some scratch. Because he's important.

So here's our little gamma poodle humping Vox's ankle for free, playing, as I said, for an audience of one. It's obvious that either he has an opinion of VD that is higher than even the vilest of the VFM, or he's really the kind of hairy, balding overweight middle-aged German who would hold a "Refugees Welcome" sign in downtown Berlin wearing a pink tutu.

If you know what I'm saying. And I think you do.

* and I have no idea, nor care to Google

Blogger El Borak December 26, 2015 10:04 PM  

SciVo: Could be spergy gamma, but I'm leaning omega.

Me, too. With a couple ladies-O-the-evening in various stages of undress. In the basement freezer.

Blogger dh December 26, 2015 10:23 PM  

By contrast, HS's use of "adolescent" instead of "teenage" in that context had no purpose except to show that the speaker knows big words. And the use of "pubescent" is wrong. "Pubescent" has implications of sexual awakening or sexual awkwardness that don't fit the writer's meaning at all. That's what happens when you write with a thesaurus and don't really grasp the connotations of words--you come off sounding a bit weird.

This is a pretty strong analysis of his language. I tend to think the opposite, not that he's an old guy, but actually an older child, perhaps 16 or 17 years old, trying to sound older and wiser with an artificially large vocabulary. Fairly weak.

Blogger Rabbi B December 26, 2015 10:34 PM  

The most telling tell of all tells, is that the guy just can't drop it and walk away. I am sure if the guy just sends enough emails, Vox will eventually cave, see the error of his ways, and follow the sage advice of HS.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 10:37 PM  

I no longer want HS's email address.

Blogger Civis Silas December 26, 2015 10:41 PM  

@21
Welcome, Harry!
@22
You too, Jim!

Anonymous Dave December 26, 2015 10:46 PM  

I am the very bad guy

I dunno...that video with you and the cats is making me have second thoughts...

Blogger bob k. mando December 26, 2015 10:50 PM  

OT: ArsTech, prime organizers of the anti-GG movement, note how they just LOVE lying games.

http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2015/12/lying-to-your-friends-a-bluffing-games-primer/

Blogger bob k. mando December 26, 2015 11:01 PM  

29. VD December 26, 2015 9:10 PM
My minions are literally countless -



mwahahahaha.

you innumerate, you.



43. LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 10:37 PM
I no longer want HS's email address.



*facepalm*

Linda, that took less than an hour and a half.


i realize it's a woman's prerogative and all but ... sheesh.

Blogger LP999 DUNE no Doom December 26, 2015 11:40 PM  

47 Slower than slow all week!

The HS game wont work but I did attempt. All I can suggest for HS is to attain a teddy and ask teddy questions. The teddy bear therapy approach is fun, obtuse entertainment as HS is progammagrammed anyways.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 27, 2015 12:22 AM  

I am not sure why I read this line of comments.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch December 27, 2015 12:26 AM  

Ugh, he's still doing this? It's precisely this behavior that disgusts potential Christians and turns them off.

This brand of male does not represent the Christians.

I much prefer St Boniface, who struck down Thor's "lightning oak" with one swipe of his axe, telling the Norse: To Hell with your gods!

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 27, 2015 12:48 AM  

Jack Amok and others,

I was also thinking this had to be a woman, but given that HS hasn't really unleashed yet, I'm thinking a man.

A crazy woman would use similar thinking to attack but times 10 on the volume. There's a lack of control at this point, but not a full lack of it. In fact, as noted, there seems to be a degree of control to the style.

Blogger David Gudeman December 27, 2015 12:53 AM  

@41: "I tend to think the opposite, not that he's an old guy, but actually an older child, perhaps 16 or 17 years old"

I'd guess late twenties to late thirties. Old enough to think (s)he deserves deference from younger adults and young enough to still be intimidated by men who are older. Also, everyone I've ever personally known who tried to assert superiority through vocabulary was in that age range.

Blogger bob k. mando December 27, 2015 12:56 AM  

OT: woman will succeed at hosting a late night talk show by ... complaining about how all the other hosts are white men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVcsg74OQBw

affirmative action talk show host .... i'm thinking that's going to be a surefire winner.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet December 27, 2015 12:58 AM  

Old enough to think (s)he deserves deference from younger adults and young enough to still be intimidated by men who are older.

I'm guessing:

Young enough to think calling an older guy "Junior" has any impact whatsoever.

Or that there's a difference been 16 and 13 years old to some Vox's age.

I'm guessing no older than 30.

OpenID Jack Amok December 27, 2015 1:08 AM  

No, I think that sentence was part of Vox's reply to ‘Harry’. Faceless was talking about the first blockquote in the ‘UPDATE’.

Well, hell. You mean all that brilliant analysis I had is... crap?

Blogger Nick S December 27, 2015 1:14 AM  

Gotta be a girl or an effeminate gay guy. Too much over the top drama.

Anonymous jSinSaTx December 27, 2015 1:28 AM  

Need new platforms. Blogs can be nuked, FB will censor you and Twitter just did a ban on Milo (quickly rescinded). Milo, Cernovich, Roosh et al will eventually be purged. VD has done a lot with the publishing house, but SJWs continue to reestablish gatekeeper capability.

Blogger J Van Stry December 27, 2015 1:34 AM  

I have found that the most effective way to leave anything, when trying to make an impact, is simply to quietly walk away. Don't say a word, don't trumpet it, don't take any parting shots, just leave.
Yes, it's incredibly hard to do, but the impact when people suddenly start asking what happened to so-and-so is huge.
And if they don't ask, then you have saved yourself enormous embarrassment, because you weren't as important as you thought you were.

(One of the better lessons I learned from my Father).

Blogger totenhenchen December 27, 2015 1:36 AM  

He is a pretentious little twat, isn't he?

Blogger totenhenchen December 27, 2015 1:43 AM  

He is a pretentious little twat, isn't he?

Blogger 1337kestrel December 27, 2015 2:01 AM  

Wait, so he's criticizing Vox for talking to a non-Christian, while talking to Vox and accusing him of being non-Christian?

I disagree with the age estimates. Although people in their 20s do talk trash about "12 year olds on Call of Duty," I have never heard anyone under 40 use the term "Junior."

I think it's a male idiot in his 40s or 50s.

Blogger Nick S December 27, 2015 2:08 AM  

Need new platforms.

"sjwal.com" is available. Anybody fluent in PHP?

Blogger Doom December 27, 2015 2:10 AM  

I met one of these not long ago. However, something has changed. A real life acquaintance. After I simply suggested his thinking was off, told him what I thought, and left it at that... on many topics, he has come around. I am sort of amazed. It doesn't look like you will have such luck.

Oh, now, I won't say he agrees with everything I say. He has decided to listen and weigh what I say as if it has some meaning and merit. And he does continue to debate, but not badger any point. Starting as an atheist, at the start, over time... after I called him on his anger at God while denouncing His existence... over time... among other debates... he is in church now.

It can happen. I just don't really debate, to be honest. Especially when he spews propaganda I know not to be true, such as about AGW foolishness. I just shoot it down and offer real sources. Plenty of room for simple skepticism. Room enough, in my mind, for outright disbelief. On that and all left politics. If he were in your proximity, I think you would be surprised how... with a few debates and cornering, if he chose to live honestly, he would change.

Blogger SciVo December 27, 2015 3:02 AM  

Geir Balderson: I am not sure why I read this line of comments.

A better question is why you said that. If you would like them to be different, then attempt to exercise influence on them. If they can't be to your taste, then don't read them.

Are you trying to say that you find such spectacles strangely fascinating, without explanation? Then I can't relate, because I know that I like the character study and the banter. It is entirely explicable.

Blogger SciVo December 27, 2015 3:12 AM  

Doom, God bless you for doing such dual-pronged witnessing. For Christ and against SJW.

And you're right, more people than you'd expect are open to changing their minds.

Blogger SciVo December 27, 2015 3:16 AM  

@ 1337kestrel:

I'm over 40 and "junior" is not really in my lexicon (though I might add it now). Either older or well-read in classics.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy December 27, 2015 3:21 AM  

@64: Are you trying to say that you find such spectacles strangely fascinating, without explanation?

Vox did tag this post as ‘trainwreck’….

Blogger 1337kestrel December 27, 2015 3:35 AM  

@SciVo

I only know one guy who calls everybody Junior, and he's in his late 40s/early 50s. Great guy. From Louisiana?

But in these Harry Savannah emails, I get a real RedState.com douchebag vibe.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY December 27, 2015 5:32 AM  

" more people than you'd expect are open to changing their minds."
I hope and pray you are right.

Blogger Hazim December 27, 2015 8:02 AM  

re: right insult at the right time...
George Costanza: "Yeah? We'll the JERK store called, they're running out of YOU!"
EPIC FAIL

Blogger Angus Mackenzie December 27, 2015 10:10 AM  

"The mask comes off" is telling. More projection, the gamma always wears a mask and thinks everybody else does...

Claiming that your "mask slipped" is supposed to be some kind of heavy rhetorical blow to you because being revealed as a loser and emotional child personally terrifies him.

They like to lecture so much and expect that to be the end of things because that's how it works in the movies. The hero gets the last word and leaves the villain looking foolish and impotent. It's funny how much the gamma takes his social cues and expectations from fiction.

On that note, if the big alpha badguy in whatever book or movie makes an elaborate speech then you know the writer's a gamma, because a big gloating speech is what he would do if he was a big mean alpha with power over the heroes. In real life alphas say little and let their actions do the talking.

Anonymous joe doakes December 27, 2015 10:21 AM  

My response to "You're not a good Christian" is "You're not the Pope so your opinion doesn't count." Throws them completely off stride without tiresome explanations of what a Scotsman is or why anybody would try to define a True one.

Hectoring Vox for apostasy reminds me of all the Freeman I've ever dealt with: they claim they're not subject to the law as proven by the huge stack of papers filed with the court, expecting the very system they allege is corrupt to vindicate them. Not gonna happen, dude.

(No, Vox, that's not a personal shot; I'm thinking of the family in Little Canada who own the tire store).

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Anonymous One Man's Chorus December 27, 2015 5:51 PM  

Why are you so fixated on where people fit in the social pecking order, Vox? Reducing people to these labels seems autistic.

Blogger RobertT December 27, 2015 6:00 PM  

"They always think that if they can just figure out the perfect thing to say..."

Sounds like a female i know.

Blogger bob k. mando December 27, 2015 11:55 PM  

74. One Man's Chorus December 27, 2015 5:51 PM
Why are you so fixated on where people fit in the social pecking order, Vox? Reducing people to these labels seems autistic.



why are you so fixated on where people fit in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, One Man's Chorus? reducing people to these labels seems infantile and maladjusted.

Anonymous DNW December 28, 2015 1:27 PM  

" ... both SJWs and Gammas believe that if they fake it long enough, their declarations will somehow magically come alive. It's a sort of intellectual cargo cult; it certainly involves magical thinking."


That is probably true in a somewhat more literal way than you meant. In the post-modernist "reality" of unending non-directional process (or better chaos), a world without essences or natural kinds or teleology, a reality which is at base believed to be unintelligible, and where structure and meaning are conceived of as socially performed acts of projection from a irremediably subjective perspective, the act of competitively speaking reality into existence through an act of will, is all that there is to reality ... ultimately.

This of course leaves the ontological status of the "projector", the locus of that will, unresolved intellectually. But what the hell. An appetite is its own justification ... or something.

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