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Wednesday, December 09, 2015

Mailvox: change is inevitable

Farmer Tom doesn't like it and he is seriously thinking about taking his tractor and going home:
This place is really going down hill in a hurry.

The host is now full on Trump supporter.

The vast majority of the guests seem to be so uninformed as to not know who Nate is?

I guess it's time to find somewhere else to hang out.

I liked the place when "The Yellow Bus" was new.

Some things have changed, and not for the better.
Translation: I'm a Christian conservative and I don't like it if things aren't going in the way that I approve at all times. If anyone feels this way, then don't comment here. Stick to reading and stay out of the discourse. I have never been concerned with the opinion of those who prefer to stomp off in a huff or retreat to snarky sniping than to offer substantive criticism and to articulate their positions, no matter who they might happen to be.

Of course, it may be nothing more than FT not wishing to stick around to defend his self-assured Iowa prediction, as the most recent RCP average has: Trump 25.7, Cruz 22.3, Carson 15.7, and Paul behind !Jeb!.
I'm personal friends with the Iowa campaign managers for Trump and Cruz. I know Carson's Iowa guy, Huckebee's guy, hate the a-hole who was Perry's guy. Met several times Rubio' s guy, once in his Senate office.

I know these people and the insides of the system.

I can tell you right now that Trump will not win Iowa, he will get second or third.

1. Carson
2. Trump
3. Cruz
4. Probably Rand because the RP people will hang to the end.
Maybe he is right. Maybe he is not. I have no idea; I don't do political predictions anymore. Regardless, the fact that you've been here for years means that I will occasionally cut you some slack, not that I will overlook it when you're behaving like a run-of-the-mill anklebiter or a prima donna. I find it somewhat frustrating when Ilk demonstrate that, despite years of reading here, they still can't manage to control their emotions, construct proper syllogisms, or gracefully accept being shown to be wrong.

As I told FT in the comments: This place has not changed, but the world has. In this electoral campaign cycle, Trump is the only candidate who matters, and it is not because of who he is or what he might do if he wins.

This is basic game theory. As I have said repeatedly in the past, there are only three issues that matter today. In their current order of importance, they are:
  • Immigration
  • Gun Control
  • Federal Reserve
We can ignore the latter. None of the candidates even understand the issue and none of them are likely to do anything about it. Trump, being a maverick, is the only one who might even look at the issue, but that's totally speculative and therefore irrelevant.

On guns, Clinton and Sanders are terrible, Ben Carson is bad, and most of the Republicans, including Trump, are both good and reliable. I'm not at all concerned about Trump saying he would take a serious look at the no-fly list, that was in response to a question about Islamic terrorism and in no way indicates that he has any interest whatsoever in sailing against the populist pro-gun position.

Nate said that we would have come down hard on another candidate who said the same, which is true, because unlike all the other candidates, Trump speaks off the cuff and without having his statement massaged by fifty consultants. If Bush said it, you can bet he's looking to push anti-gun. In the context that Trump did, he's wondering why known terrorists are permitted to arm themselves; he's more likely to jail or deport them than attack gun rights.

More importantly, no one is going to do anything about gun control. Obama has been calling for it non-stop, they've been staging multiple false flags to try to drum up popular support - yes, they have, there is no question about it - and yet people are gunning up like never before. Gun control is the most important issue, but it is not one that is any more relevant in this particular election than is the Federal Reserve. I trust every single Republican candidate in this regard, including Ben Carson, who has completely changed his rhetoric on the subject once being confronted with the American public's cast-iron will on the topic.

That leaves immigration. And here, Trump is the only candidate who is even beginning to address the scope of the existential problem. All the Democrats, and more than half of the Republicans, actually want to make it worse. Even if you don't support him, or trust him, the mere fact that he is in the race has changed the debate on the subject more than the combined efforts of every anti-immigrationist, every open-borders skeptic, and every anti-free trade economist. He has been a literal Godsend in this regard, no matter what happens in the end.

In short, Donald Trump has radically changed the culture, and culture always trumps politics. And that is why petty sniping about the usual politics is not only pointless, it demonstrates that you are too stuck in an intellectual rut to even understand what the rest of us are discussing.

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Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 8:09 AM  

Trump is the only candidate who matters, and it is not because of who he is or what he might do if he wins.


Limbaugh -

"It's causing them to come unglued and unhinged, while they think it is Trump who is unhinged and coming unglued. Now, let's look at the politics of this. Take the events of the recent past, last week, last month, last six months. And then add the presidential to those events. Those events have been dominated by Islamic terrorism and illegal immigration and the failing US economy and the absolute disaster that is Obamacare. On the Democrat side, I don't have any recognition of any of that.

And on the Republican side, after Trump's statement here, there's only one guy. I'm just addressing the politics of this, folks. Forget substance, comments, whatever. It's the politics of this. There's only one guy in all of the presidential campaign occupying the position he occupies. Everybody else sounds the same. Everybody else... I don't care if it's Hillary or if it is Carly Fiorina. I don't care if it's Bernie Sanders or if it's John Kasich. They all sound the same. What do they all do? They are condemning Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is condemning ISIS. Donald Trump is condemning illegal immigration. Donald Trump is condemning a weak, stupid United States leadership. Over here, everybody else is not. They are condemning Donald Trump. In a political sense, Donald Trump, leading the presidential campaign, is the sole occupier of his position. He has no competition for it. Just in a political sense, that's pretty brilliant positioning to me. He owns the media. They can't stop talking about him.

And what's it costing him?

Zero.

He's not spending a dime."

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 09, 2015 8:11 AM  

Donald Trump has radically changed the culture

I don't know that Trump changed the culture so much as gave voice to the silent majority that thinks the same way, but were silenced by the state organs.

I'm curious just how far the establishment is going to be willing to go to stop his nomination. There is a lot of money invested in continuous illegal immigration and "free" trade.

Anonymous The One December 09, 2015 8:11 AM  

Honestly FT I've been commenting almost as long you and as Vox said the world as changed, especially as compared to a decade ago. All those runs Vox had in Alterac Valley were prep for the real thing, the orcs are coming.

Anonymous egomaniacal December 09, 2015 8:17 AM  

I'm late for work.

I agree with you about immigration.
Even more strongly about RTKBA,

and the FED still matters, especially since they are about to cause another crash,

What I disagree about it Trump.

Simply put, I don't trust trolls, or egomaniacal clowns, which describes Trump in spades.

Anonymous farmer Tom December 09, 2015 8:18 AM  

Sorry, got my name wrong.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 8:22 AM  

Simply put, I don't trust trolls, or egomaniacal clowns, which describes Trump in spades

Describes them all, doesn't it? They are all up there, on stage under the lights, pandering for the chance to occupy that Office. Trump is the only one not pandering, actually talking about what matters, unabashedly so, which sets him far apart.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:25 AM  

I can't believe, at this point, that anyone with an IQ above 70 doesn't grasp that immigration + welfare state = import the world's crap.

Add the logical axiom that Islam massively amplifies whatever risk a person has for mass violence (statistically far above Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism or atheism) and you know that open-borders zealots have turned their mental thermostat to "vacation."

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 8:27 AM  

@2

Giving voice to the silent majority does change the culture. It is forcing those who have refused to talk about this to talk about it all openly. It forces them to show their hand. It is no longer silent.

This is huge.

Blogger The Original Hermit December 09, 2015 8:28 AM  

"Simply put, I don't trust trolls"

It's like he's not even reading the words in front of him. It doesn't matter if he's trolling or if he is exactly who he says he is. The dialogue he's created and the responses to him are what matters. If the man himself mattered, this would be the most importantest election ever. But it's not, it never is.

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 December 09, 2015 8:28 AM  

It certainly shaping up to be an interesting contest. Last year at this time I assumed it would be Jeb! vs. the giant spider (Hillary) with the spider winning and revealing her real name to be KODOS. I don't trust Trump not to be the next Hitler but at this point I have to wonder what my options are and they seem to be this: Allow unchecked immigration and have my race eliminated in North America rather like white South Africans are currently going through -or- have a guy in there who doesn't want to see my kind exterminated and may go about it by becoming the next Hitler (this is unproven). Hmm... definite death vs. possible Nazi like extermination of other than my race. Hmmm... them or me.... hmmm....

Anonymous That Would Be Telling December 09, 2015 8:29 AM  

Simply put, I don't trust trolls, or egomaniacal clowns, which describes Trump in spades.

"We don't care."

Not so much about your inability to get our point about Trump, but about Trump self-evidently being an "egomaniacal clown". Does any other type of person run for president nowadays, or do they just hide it better?

As for him being a troll, I'm not sure about that, aside from the style in which he engages the establishment. I don't think he's trolling us when he calls for a Muslim travel moratorium, I think he's sincere, if for no other reason that it makes complete sense to those of us on the newly christened Militant Right. That it causes the establishment's heads to explode is ... well, getting to the point we're trying to make. That it winnowed out the entire rest of the Republican field suggests there's more than a little method to Trump's "madness".

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:31 AM  

Donald Trump has radically changed the culture, and culture always trumps politics

No man can force an idea whose time has yet to come. Trump is the right man for this time, that's all. He is apparently highly attuned to this current flow, as a great politician, entertainer or high level businessman must be to be on top and stay there.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 09, 2015 8:31 AM  

Trump reminds me a great deal of Ronald Reagan. Both prone to be bombastic, both despised by the party elite, both smarter than they seemed...and I suspect Trump will enjoy the same success.

And Trump isn't my #1 choice...but he's in the range of Acceptable Candidates.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 8:31 AM  

Giving voice to the silent majority does change the culture

No. What we're seeing is that the American culture is beginning to take a stand.

Blogger Doom December 09, 2015 8:33 AM  

I was sure hoping he would be wrong, and believe he will be wrong (if more from hope than knowledge). But that isn't really a point, just a thought. And, who knows, even now. I never thought much of politics in Iowa. Lots of losers in that state, politically. Sellouts. Cunts. So it has often been down in the Shire.

As to him grabbing his marbles and running, and your dismay at it? I don't condemn your frustration. Though I won't pile on either. I know I have done the same. Yes, we have feelings, and can be foolish about them. I don't care too much, though I hope others get over their problems. Everyone gets to be the floater from time to time. I'm pretty sure I've seen you do it, in your own way. No biggy. Just life. And... for me... even when it was me, I was wrong, and I came back? After enough time, pure entertainment value, to my eyes.

I'm going to chuckle about this at least all day. Might read a bit more, see if I can play it better when it is next my turn to be a big baby.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 8:33 AM  

@Salt
No. What we're seeing is that the American culture is beginning to take a stand.

Absolutely. What used to be unspeakable is now... alright to discuss.

Anonymous Til December 09, 2015 8:33 AM  

Nobody can run for President without tons of audacity, charisma. At least, not for our issues.

Asking a man to have that without any ego or charisma is ludicrous. Utterly nonsensical.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 09, 2015 8:37 AM  

I find it somewhat frustrating when Ilk demonstrate that, despite years of reading here, they still can't manage to control their emotions, construct proper syllogisms, or gracefully accept being wrong.

Sorry. I know this isn't directed at me specifically, but I also know I have a lot of work to do yet.

Blogger VD December 09, 2015 8:38 AM  

I don't trust trolls, or egomaniacal clowns, which describes Trump in spades.

First, no one cares who, or what, you trust. Second, the salient point is that Trump himself, particularly his personality, doesn't matter at all. You should be cheering the man on, whether you trust him or not.

I certainly don't.

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 8:38 AM  

No. What we're seeing is that the American culture is beginning to take a stand.

I agree. But why? The American culture, or the silent was beginning to take a stand before Trump. But he stood up and gave it a voice. He forced it into the mainstream. Who else was going to do this as quickly or as triumphantly as he did?

It changes the culture because it forces the media to talk about this. When most people think that culture relies on the elite, this changes things.

Regardless, this is still huge.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:39 AM  

Try this:
Today, the dominant Narrative is like a Cathedral where the Priests(at Harvard, Yale, etc.) and deacons (in the mass media) harangue congregants endlessly over Narrative Dogma (Universalism, PC, etc.)

Some of us do not agree with the dogma. It clearly violates the evidence of our own eyes, but we are scolded endlessly that our very heresy is evidence of our sin (racism, classism, chauvinism, patriarchy.)

We are utterly sick of being kicked for being smart, hard-working, lacking criminal tendencies, etc., but there is no rallying point for our heresy...until a ZFG Trump stands up and says what would get us excommunicated (fire from our jobs, kicked out of "polite company," etc.)

Trump is channeling an idea whose time has come. The Cathedral Narrative finally veered so far into lunacy (e.g. mandatory tolerance of overt mental illness like "transsexuals") that those of us not firmly in the Borg are desperate for a champion.

Trump looks like he wants that mantle. This may be good or ill, but it is definitely baked into the cake by the recent past lunacy of the Narrative.

Blogger Aeoli Pera December 09, 2015 8:39 AM  

Giving voice to the silent majority does change the culture. It is forcing those who have refused to talk about this to talk about it all openly. It forces them to show their hand. It is no longer silent.

This is huge.


Excellent explanation, thank you.

Anonymous tz December 09, 2015 8:39 AM  

The multicultural Marxists have set up a new Weimar moment.
The GOP, in 2012 putting up Romney, then continuing to rubber-stamp Obama after the 2104 elections...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/27/cold-anger/
"You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim".
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/07/an-open-letter-to-jonah-goldberg-re-the-gop-and-donald-trump/

The Invasion (immigration doesn't describe it) is such a grave threat.

Remember Stalin was our ally in WW2, then Japan and Germany against him.

Carson is an outsider too so also gets some benefit of the doubt. We need a brave heart, not some technocrat.

They destroyed Ron Paul's supporters. They co-opted the Tea Party.
The base wanted Obamacare and his pro-invader agenda destroyed. The GOP establishment said "over our dead bodies". Trump is the base saying "Ok".

I don't like the situation, and I have grave concerns about liberty, but as only Trump has seemed to notice, we are at war and traitors and enemy sympathizers don't do well.

That is what is. One more ISIS bombing and he'll be at 50%. The FBI was so busy entrapping ignorant young men they can't find real terrorists. They are another TSA Theatre Securum Absurdum.

Christians, who have seen their creches banned, their 10-commandments removed, told not to say Christmas tend to be tolerant when another religion is banned and exiled. The multicultural Marxists have shown the righteous path of intolerance. Tit for tat.

Blogger Rek. December 09, 2015 8:39 AM  

@10

If I had the choice between Adolph and Hillary or some such goon. I wouldn't hesitate. Times they are a changing.

@5

Is that your gamma attempt at saving face. Grow up man!

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:41 AM  

My point: history, like time, is a flow, and Tolstoy's famous maxim about history is an axiom, as is its inversion (otherwise all history would take place all at once.)

Blogger kmbr December 09, 2015 8:41 AM  

I find a lot of run of the mill conservatives have extremely strong normalcy bias. They can not grasp where we are at. Their minds won't let them. They want to stay in 20 years ago when it was so simple, they think, R's good and D's bad. They don't understand that ALL the battles they lost, forfeited and never showed up for are exactly what let it get this bad.

Blogger James Dixon December 09, 2015 8:43 AM  

> What I disagree about it Trump.

Trump wouldn't be my first choice amongst the candidates running, but he would be in the top three. And as a leader he might be the most qualified of those running. The things a president has to be good at are choosing advisors, making decisions, and delegating the details. So far Trump appears to be good at all three.

Blogger Jack Ward December 09, 2015 8:44 AM  

Yes, the world has changed. I have Cuckservatives and will start the read today, I hope. I expect I will be thrilled with the positions in that book, and maybe appalled here/there.
So be it. I once talked with an ex special forces armorer working as a gunsmith. He said that, in the forces, and, I had no need to doubt him, the often repeated line was, 'f---it, just do it.'
So, the world has changed. We must still 'just do it' and hope for the best; even if our best candidate is not perfect. Or, our favorite, most trusted blog sometimes makes us uncomfortable. So be it.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 09, 2015 8:48 AM  

Vox...

My response to this poast is simple...

You at the reins, me...pissed

Come at me Bro

Yeah bitch...let's Play!

The Fire and the Dragon

Rises...

Blogger Tallen December 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

And they said this place was an echo chamber.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

It changes the culture because it forces the media to talk about this

Talking about it changes nothing. Talk is just that, talk. Saying, "This is a University, not a day care," isn't change, it's what we know to be America saying so.

Trump is giving voice to issues the media hates to discuss in the way he's doing it. Trump knows people are waking up, and I seriously doubt he doesn't understand the ramifications should he betray. He doesn't need any of this. Politicians do, for it's what they do. Not Trump. He's willingly stepping into the fire.

I don't trust him, won't trust him, till he's out of office having done what he's intimating he'll do.

Blogger jayb December 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

"This is huge"

No, this is *yuge*.

Get with the new narrative.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 09, 2015 8:49 AM  

@19

That actually makes me feel a lot better, VD. I was starting to think you did.

I can admit that I was probably wrong about my political priorities before, on the (as you said) very simple grounds that not getting a handle on immigration will shift the country in the wrong direction. If far stronger assimilation pressures existed, then it wouldn't be a problem, but they don't, so it is.

The basic case for free trade makes too much sense for you to shift me on that score, but free trade doesn't require the free movement of people.

Anonymous MrGreenMan December 09, 2015 8:50 AM  

I'm just going to move to Montana, unplug, and raise a crop of dental floss.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:50 AM  

No. What we're seeing is that the American culture is beginning to take a stand.

Disagree. American culture IS the Narrative. What you're seeing is Western Civilization attempting to reassert itself after 350 years of veering into a ditch, with this latest diversion becoming so pathological that good men must sandbag their positions and prepare for war, before complete annihilation sweeps the West.

This is not a clash of civilizations. This is a clash within Western Civ itself, where the Univeralists (who frankly predated Marx by centuries) have been a cancer eating away the West's substance all along.

What remains to be seen is whether the those resisting this latest stage of cancer in the West will call themselves what historically was the right term. 350 years ago the term was Tory.

Blogger IM2L844 December 09, 2015 8:51 AM  

I'm skeptical of Trump's integrity, intellect and the sufficiency of his skill set, but the Trump effect is undeniably a good thing. Maybe we can finally get this party started.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite December 09, 2015 8:51 AM  

Donald Trump has done another good thing. He's revealed that the donor class rules and any politician who is not self-funding is just a lackey of the donor class.

Trump has no competition for his positions, even though they are very popular positions, because slaves of the donor class don't have permission to go there. The mainstream media will not talk about that of course, but it's standing naked in the town square.

In his dissent on Obergefell, Scalia basically said that democracy is dead and the people need to consider their options if they want to be free. That turns out to be right for reasons besides those he mentioned.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados December 09, 2015 8:52 AM  

The rage in the US is growing and has no political bias. This is who Trump is getting support from. Highly disillusioned conservatives who have been stabbed in the back too many times by their own party, highly disillusioned democrats (like myself) who have been driven out by identity politics among other things, people who haven't voted in years, or decades, or EVER. This IS about nationalism, which has no political bias.

This is why Trump is winning. He is the ONLY nationalist that is running in either party. The rest are just chomping at the bit to sell this country further down the river and leave us out to keep our heads above water without a life jacket.

At the local and state level you are seeing a flushing out of Establishment politicians in favor of people more like Trump. The goal is with enough states on board and in alignment, Article V can be convened if needed to force changes to the federal government (since they won't change themselves). Trump is just the tip of the spear in all of this. And the Establishment knows this, and are terrified.

Each crisis that happens makes all the "crazy talk" that Trump says actually look like common sense. And when the rest of the dipshits attack him for it, they help show us who they really are and where their loyalties really lie.

Trump playing "We're not gonna take it anymore!" during one of his rallies is very, VERY appropriate for how the majority of people in this country feel right now. And the politicians and media know it, and are powerless to do anything about it. The party is over for this pukes, and they better pray to god that ALL we do is kick them out of office.

Blogger JP December 09, 2015 8:53 AM  

Well, to be fair, it's in everyone's best interest to know who Nate it.

Blogger kmbr December 09, 2015 8:58 AM  

**If far stronger assimilation pressures existed, **

If the left did not exist.

I live in Arizona, a state that has long been 30% Mexican. It has also long been strongly conservative/libertarian leaning. The two cultures melded. It was a land of opportunity for both people. It worked and created a strong unique culture and remained a unique slice of Americana. The left largely left us alone.

NOW, it's a mess of angry entitled victims who have been taught to hate everything American and white.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 8:58 AM  

Look at the reaction to Trump.

Media, Talking Heads, Political Mainstream: APOPLEXY! He is standing up in the middle of their sermon with a bullhorn and shouting blasphemy! What's worse?

Every time he does so, a noticeable minority of congregants turn to him, move toward him, raise him on their shoulders and begin to march around the Cathedral even as the Priests are shouting at them to SIT THE F--que Down, Shut the F---que Up and let us keep telling you Up is Down like we have all along.

Trump is simply channeling a preexisting, smouldering volcano of rage among people sick of being scapegoated in what they thought was their own Cathedral.

Blogger James Dixon December 09, 2015 8:59 AM  

> Well, to be fair, it's in everyone's best interest to know who Nate it.

It's in everyone's interest to know who most of the Dread Ilk are. :)

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 9:03 AM  

Talking about it changes nothing. Talk is just that, talk. Saying, "This is a University, not a day care," isn't change, it's what we know to be America saying so.

Ah, but it does change things. It makes it ok for a whole lot of people who were afraid to say anything to now stand up and say something. It gives people courage who otherwise would just continue to hide.

Trump being a, as someone else said, a ZFG politician, SJWAL coming out, Cuckservatives coming out, really this is all talk. But it is talk that changes people minds. It gives them the courage to do what they wouldn't do before because they are seeing the media and those who have had control of the narrative for the hollow cards they actually are. This talk shows them that they are not alone.

The timing of Vox's books, Trump, men standing up and saying enough is a enough! It's all been talk, but this talk is beginning to turn into action. We'll see where it goes. It gives me hope.

I don't trust Trump either. Not one single bit. He's a politician. My trust for him is irrelevant. What he does in office if elected is also irrelevant right now. Right now, he's become the mast head for talk that until him, was refused.

Blogger bob k. mando December 09, 2015 9:04 AM  

Koanic and i are going back and forth and he made an appeal to chivalric honor.

i looked up the code of chivalric honor.

i think i like it, especially 4-6:
1 - Thou shalt believe all that the Church teaches and thou shalt observe all its directions (Believe the Church's teachings and observe all the Church's directions).
2 - Thou shalt defend the Church.
3 - Thou shalt respect all weaknesses, and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
4 - Thou shalt love the country in which thou wast born.
5 - Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
6 - Thou shalt make war against the infidel without cessation and without mercy.
7 - Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of God.
8 - Thou shalt never lie, and shalt remain faithful to thy pledged word.
9 - Thou shalt be generous, and give largesse to everyone.
10 - Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil

Blogger Gaiseric December 09, 2015 9:05 AM  

I'm skeptical of Trump's integrity, intellect and the sufficiency of his skill set, but the Trump effect is undeniably a good thing. Maybe we can finally get this party started.

I'm skeptical of the first, but not the second. I'm skeptical that they will be brought to bear on the right problems, though.

If the left did not exist.

I live in Arizona, a state that has long been 30% Mexican. It has also long been strongly conservative/libertarian leaning. The two cultures melded. It was a land of opportunity for both people. It worked and created a strong unique culture and remained a unique slice of Americana. The left largely left us alone.

NOW, it's a mess of angry entitled victims who have been taught to hate everything American and white.


The same was true of the Hispanic element in southern Texas until relatively recently (my lifetime, at least.) VD often mentions the total Hispanic population as part of the problem with the US and demographics, but there is an ambient level of Hispanic population in a country that's partially built on the ruins of Nueva España. That's not the problem. The problem is that the big shift in Hispanic demographics is due to literal bandits crossing the border to live off of plunder taken from unwilling Americans by our quisling government and given to them.

Blogger Gordon December 09, 2015 9:05 AM  

I don't really know who Nate is, other than he's a commentor who has a reputation. I can't say what the reputation describes. It's a bit like someone walking into the discussion and seeing "The train is fine." It's going to take a while to figure out the context behind the shorthand.

Two words come to mind re: Trump, "Overton window." He's pushing it back, back, back. It's shifting to places that we had hoped, but never really believed it would ever go again.

The Frankfurt school changed the direction of political philosophy in such an enormous way. It's no wonder the establishment is screeching. They have enormous investment in the frame of mind that Trump is rejecting.

Remember Reagan's "Morning in America?" It resonated because most of the adults in 1980 remembered that America. It had existed only 20 years before. Now it's been 55 years since then, and most adults don't even have a memory of Reagan, let alone the atmosphere before Watergate, Vietnam, critical theory, and folk music destroyed it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 09, 2015 9:05 AM  

@40

It's not specifically the Left but rather Marxists that you are talking about. There used to be a non-Marxist left.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 09, 2015 9:05 AM  

@40 kmbr:

Excellent observation. The multi-culti hatemongers profit from division, and sow as much of it as they can. They bear much of the responsibility for the Clash of Cultures in the USA.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 9:06 AM  

I think it entirely possible for Trump to be elected, because deep down lots of people probably realize that what they like about their lives depends on a certain set of conditions, and those conditions are being buried under a tsunami of mass idiocy that the Cathedral Priests are demanding 24/7.

People are vaguely uneasy about this now, 15 years of nominal sideways movement in social mood after the top in the year 2000. Wait until the next downturn gets up a head of steam.

I've said all along that utter complacency is a necessary precondition of a massive, once-in-300-years financial catastrophe. Now that people have had two very recent drop-50%-then-rally-100% experiences, they will not capitulate (to form a low) the next time it happens.

When stocks are down 90% and interest rates are zooming upward past 15%, to infinity and beyond, the vague unease that today supports Trump will be as Godzilla is to a mouse.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 9:07 AM  

Disagree. American culture IS the Narrative.

I think we're saying the same thing. "This is America, not the middle east." (or an SJW daycare, Mexico, etc)

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 9:10 AM  

I find a lot of run of the mill conservatives have extremely strong normalcy bias. They can not grasp where we are at. Their minds won't let them. They want to stay in 20 years ago when it was so simple

Isn't that the definition of conservative? Some resist, conserve, and preserve against change by a modicum of wisdom and sense because they can see beyond what happens next. Most are simply superstitious about change and don't like it.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 9:12 AM  

To be fair to Farmer Tom, he made his predictions before the Paris attacks.

On the other hand, it should have been obvious *something* of this nature would happen before the primaries.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 9:12 AM  

Ah, but it does change things. It makes it ok for a whole lot of people who were afraid to say anything to now stand up and say something. It gives people courage who otherwise would just continue to hide.

Agreed, that is a change, but not a cultural one. As dc.sunsets said, "American culture IS the Narrative." It's just now beginning to raise its voice.

Blogger Gordon December 09, 2015 9:16 AM  

@47 Leo: "There used to be a non-Marxist left."

I remember. They were neighbors, friends, co-workers. Hubert Humphrey was the classic. He made his bones politically by shoving the commies out of the Democrat-Farmer-Labor party in Minnesota.

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 9:17 AM  

Salt, I agree with what dc.sunsets has said. I think we agree but are talking past each other. One question however, if American culture is the Narrative, Trump is challenging that narrative. Do you agree that this challenge is forcing the beginning of a change?

Blogger VD December 09, 2015 9:18 AM  

there is an ambient level of Hispanic population in a country that's partially built on the ruins of Nueva España.

In 1960, that ambient level was 3 percent. Now it is TEN TIMES larger.

Blogger VD December 09, 2015 9:19 AM  

To be fair to Farmer Tom, he made his predictions before the Paris attacks.

Why would that matter?

Anonymous aegis-1080 December 09, 2015 9:21 AM  

Just the fact that shitlibs are deeply bitter that people can say their evil Shitlord thoughts outloud makes Trump's campaign a success. And is still early, just imagine the general.

And THE WORST thing that can happen to Dems is to have the neocon "support" as an anchor. Which just happened.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 09, 2015 9:23 AM  

What is the White West? It will be this agonized song

When we realize 70 years of try-hard oblivious peace meant nothing

When we realize evil was done in our name as mundanely as a clinician with his lab rats.

When we realize our trust was pearls before swine.

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 9:24 AM  

Talking about it changes nothing. Talk is just that, talk. Saying, "This is a University, not a day care," isn't change, it's what we know to be America saying so.

Ah, but it does change things. It makes it ok for a whole lot of people who were afraid to say anything to now stand up and say something. It gives people courage who otherwise would just continue to hide.


Silence is a powerful thing. When you feel you can't speak, you are essentially isolated. You don't know there are others who share your views, so you are more likely to abandon them or just go along to get along. Maybe you really ARE wrong?

Talk IS important. Especially this talk. Finally, people are noticing their next door neighbor or the girl at the grocer or even that idiot college student actually think the same as you! And you are more likely to act on it, stand by it, and resist pressure to change.

Now this hypothetical "you" is not necessarily any of the readers here (it could be a couple). A lot of the people here have strong enough convictions with a solid Foundation to not be so easily swayed into abandoning their ideas and values.

But y'all aren't normal. So yeah, for most of America, talk is important.

Personally, I used to think my ideas were extreme. First EW, then Limbaugh, and now Vox has shown me I'm not alone in my views. Trump shows we aren't as extreme as the Left would make us out to be.

Blogger ncartist December 09, 2015 9:25 AM  

Those of you who listen to Limbaugh need to realize the he is a scripted mannequin of the elite: he goes no further than he is allowed. The same for Hannity. I stopped listening to both years ago despite the fact that I was deceived by their "conservatism."

You will note in comment #1
the Limbaugh quote "Donald Trump is condemning ISIS. Donald Trump is condemning illegal immigration. "

Limbaugh is deliberately changing Trump position from all Moslems to illegal immigrants. He is bringing the point back to the elite's preferred position about which they prefer the sheep to bleat.

Limbaugh and Hannity like Buckley and NR have one job: to make us think that by their talking and writing the political class is being changed: their goal is and was to keep us from rising up until the elites were in position to slaughter us whether we rise up or don't.

Anonymous Homesteader December 09, 2015 9:26 AM  

"This place has not changed, but the world has"

Lafayette, Louisiana, mid nineties. The restaurant I worked at hired some Mexicans in the kitchen.

Here's what's salient- THEY WERE A NOVELTY.

There were essentially NO Mexicans in the city at that time. Or the State, for that matter.

And remember-it's not that the world changed, it's that some very evil people CHANGED it. Big difference.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 9:27 AM  

if American culture is the Narrative, Trump is challenging that narrative. Do you agree that this challenge is forcing the beginning of a change?

I do not agree Trump is challenging THAT narrative. He's reasserting it. Any challenge to that narrative has been done through the Progressives. Obama's saying he wants to, "fundamentally transform" America. It's that narrative that's being challenged, i.e. "This is a University, not a daycare" and what we know to be American culture -

"Remember Reagan's "Morning in America?" It resonated because most of the adults in 1980 remembered that America. It had existed only 20 years before." -

is diametrically opposed to it.

Yeah, we're talking past each other mostly.

Anonymous Orville December 09, 2015 9:27 AM  

Bought the book and I'm halfway through it.

I've stayed out of the last two presidential elections, and have renounced republicanism. When the host started talking up Trump I watched with interest from afar, but with no intention of voting. Now I'm seriously considering a vote for Trump for the reasons listed above. I'm not returning to republicanism, but I will embrace the mil-right movement. I'm under no illusion about what any national or regional leader is, but if they hold true on critical key issues like immigration then I'm all for them.

Blogger bob k. mando December 09, 2015 9:27 AM  

38. TheLiberatorOfBados December 09, 2015 8:52 AM
This IS about nationalism, which has no political bias.
This is why Trump is winning. He is the ONLY nationalist that is running in either party.



the problem with National Socialism is NOT the nationalism ... it's the socialism.

as is easily demonstrated through the simple historical fact that ( in spite of the History Channel's Hitler fixation ) INTERNATIONAL Socialism has murdered many multiples of all that Hitler ever accomplished.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus December 09, 2015 9:28 AM  

Given Lindsey Graham's comments about beating up Trump (yeah right), it looks like the fagservatives are starting to get desperate.

Blogger The Gray Man December 09, 2015 9:30 AM  

Lol the Republican elite hate Limbaugh and always have

Blogger The Gray Man December 09, 2015 9:31 AM  

Lol the Republican elite hate Limbaugh and always have

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:36 AM  

@59 - I'll take this theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5_xb522jEo

Blogger bob k. mando December 09, 2015 9:36 AM  

49. dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 9:06 AM
When stocks are down 90% and interest rates are zooming upward past 15%



we will never see 15% interest again so long as the Federal Reserve or the US Gov exists.

the elites cannot permit even 'normal' interest rates to obtain because it would instantaneously render the US FedGov unsustainable.

the rolling over of .gov debt via T-bills does not permit it.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:38 AM  

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Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:39 AM  

This is basic game theory. As I have said repeatedly in the past, there are only three issues that matter today. In their current order of importance, they are:
Immigration
Gun Control
Federal Reserve


And for my own tastes I would add:
Continuance of the Christian Western Civilisation / End of White Genocide

But perhaps that is a part and parcel subtext to the first three.

Blogger ncartist December 09, 2015 9:39 AM  

35. dc.sunsets
350 years ago the term was Tory.

Are you in Canada and still licking your wounds as are the Southrons; just waiting to rise up and get rid of the damn Rebels?

Blogger Cail Corishev December 09, 2015 9:40 AM  

Steve Sailer has documented Americans' widespread unhappiness over immigration for a long time, so the anger was there waiting to be stirred up. But various politicos have tried to tap into it and gotten nowhere, because the establishment did such a good job of marginalizing them. Buchanan got some traction by employing good rhetoric, but they were able to sideline him too.

It really took someone who had the media personality, charisma, whatever, that people would say, "Yeah, okay, maybe he's a Nazi. I still want to hear what he has to say."

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 9:40 AM  

@55 Often, what looks like disagreement is just terminology lacking a standard.

This is (IMO) a long-awaited battle for Western Civ. What I call "the Narrative" is the lying, virtue-signalling viciousness that depends from Universalist dogma. It is the heart of socialism and it denies all sorts of reliable axioms of reality.

I'm not sure what to call the competing Narrative being channeled by Trump. I know it preexists his prominence. It underlies what we read here and in other sources that confront the Dominant Narrative. We can describe its parts to some satisfaction, but what is its WHOLE?

The parts may include HBD (recognition that heritability of behavior and belief is every bit as real as heritability of height, skin color, vertical jump and intelligence), the superiority and uniqueness of Western Civilization, belief that equality of outcome and justice are foes, and that democracy and liberty are mortal enemies. We might include that weak, diffuse, "pluralistic" political government is actually suffocating while strong, small, intensely popular political government yields more liberty.

As a prior anarchist-libertarian, it's almost painful for me to see that individual liberty is found where similar people share intense respect for their polity (a polity that robs them blind will never be respected.) If politics is a given of human social behavior, let it be some sort of merit-based aristocracy instead of this ugly every-man-encouraged-to-rule-his-neighbors ugliness of faction-based social democracy (which is rapidly heading toward its cannibal/zombie phase, where the masses try to eat the brains in our society.)

This isn't just about America. This is the battle for the survival of Western Civilization.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 9:40 AM  

@VD
Why would that matter?

Media coverage in the US of the mass immigration in Europe was very sparse. They were still keeping their heads buried in the sand, busy with things like Mizzou.

If there was no big attack and instead it was just lots of small attacks, voters in Iowa could have ignored Muslim immigration.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:41 AM  

@66 The Lispie slap fighting.

Very amusing mental pic.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:42 AM  

From @72 - Yes sunsets @75

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 9:43 AM  

@55 In short, Stingray, we of the militant right are going to take back, reassert, American culture. The progressive idea of American culture should not be confused with what it is; its foundation, which is the voices we're beginning to hear. We're seeing it happening in Europe too, but with distinctly various European flavors.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 09, 2015 9:44 AM  

FT must have a vote at Time the ragazine even the Caliph and his dhimini woman were ahead of DT

Anonymous The OASF December 09, 2015 9:46 AM  

@2 I'm curious just how far the establishment is going to be willing to go to stop his nomination. There is a lot of money invested in continuous illegal immigration and "free" trade.

The GOP establishment has already openly called for the RNC to ban him from the ballots in the opening primaries and refuse write-ins. McCrazy and Graham have already all but flat-out stated that they will have him impeached upon inauguration, if it happens to get that far. And of course there is the "A" word, though I doubt they are stupid enough to create alt-right wing martyr.

This is a strikingly interesting question because the RNC cannot simply steal the election with rigged polls and sabotaged voting machines like they have in the past due to Trump's wild popularity. It seems the best they can do right now is rig the polls (there is no way !Jeb! is polling at anything above 0.00 percent) just enough that their auxiliaries in the media can blather about "brokered conventions" in which !Jeb! may immaculately emerge victorious.

Very interesting times, indeed.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 9:46 AM  

@70 we will never see 15% interest again so long as the Federal Reserve or the US Gov exists.

the elites cannot permit even 'normal' interest rates to obtain because it would instantaneously render the US FedGov unsustainable.

the rolling over of .gov debt via T-bills does not permit it.


Bob, see this:
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=&symb=3_month&x=25&y=11&time=8&startdate=1%2F4%2F1999&enddate=7%2F13%2F2011&freq=1&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comptemptext=&comp=none&ma=5&maval=13&uf=0&lf=4&lf2=32&lf3=256&type=2&style=320&size=3&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=11

I concur that rates like 15% shake the foundation of every modern nation-state. I disagree that interest rates are subject to the control of the Fed, US Treasury or anyone else.

T-bill rates LEAD, they do not follow, Fed rate decisions. Today's T-bill yield all but guarantees a Fed rate hike next week. This is a new development.

Interest rates fell for 30 years, enabling the filling of the largest ocean of debt ever recorded in human history. It is the Mother of All "painted into a corner" events.

History's march cannot be resisted.

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 9:47 AM  

The progressive idea of American culture should not be confused with what it is; its foundation, which is the voices we're beginning to hear.

I think this is the only thing we disagree on. This is not currently American culture. Currently our culture is the leftist narrative that dc.sunsets has described. That may be our base, but it is not our culture. Not any more. Not in a long time.

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 9:49 AM  

Those of you who listen to Limbaugh need to realize the he is a scripted mannequin of the elite: he goes no further than he is allowed

They go no further than they are comfortable like anyone.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 09, 2015 9:51 AM  

Using words like "trust" in the context of 2016 politics is like trying to decide whether to draw to an inside straight when everyone else has switched to playing euchre.

Anonymous redsash December 09, 2015 9:52 AM  

Always enjoyed and mostly agreed with farmer Tom's comments. Take an 8 count, get back up and try to clinch, finish the fight.

Anonymous DreadIlkZee December 09, 2015 9:52 AM  

To FarmerTom,

I have been reading this blog practically from it's beginning. Starting with the moniker ZTiger, to ZT (and ZeeTee, darn username character limit) and now DreadIlkZee.

Have their been changes to this place? Yes. Honestly I am somewhat surprised at VD's transition to nationalist from Open boarder Libertarian. Surprised mostly because I have made similar conclusions at the same time he has.

I do not like Trump, he does not fully represent my views and frankly we will have some interesting foreign policy issues when he is president. But, at least for me Trump is a collective F-U to the US politic and as VD pointed out the only one even addressing the issue of our immigration policy.

Limited immigration is healthy and sustainable for those people who what to come to this country and adopt western values and our culture. Mass migration is war and frankly Trump is the only one who seems to realize we need to defend ourselves.

Paton was a prick and an ass-hole. But he was our ass-hole at a time when we needed one. I pray that Trumps weakness are tempered by a Congress that doesn't relinquish their duty like they have with Clinton, Bush(s), and Obama.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 9:53 AM  

@73 Are you in Canada and still licking your wounds as are the Southrons; just waiting to rise up and get rid of the damn Rebels?

I'm an Illinoisan (ugh) on a voyage of discovery. Turns out I'm a Royalist (funny story: I'm an adoptee who discovered his maternal biological surname is Stuart, great granddad was Col. Stuart who was Chairman of St. Oil for Rockefeller Sr. and a Rough Rider with TR.)

Now I understand why I never believed the rules for the masses applied to me.

And yes, I think the next 100 years will be a revisit to the English Civil War, and this time the 'democrats' lose.

Anonymous Takin' a Look December 09, 2015 9:53 AM  

@ Conan the Cimmerian

I am a pussy who talks and thinks and cries too much. I see Theoden, bewitched and caressed with the cajoles of the wyrmtongues and his hopelessly lost children, Theodred, Eowyn and Eomer cast aside floundering as best as they can.

We are controlled by wyrmtongued Theoden he will not wake up!

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:56 AM  

Yes: @23 The multicultural Marxists have set up a new Weimar moment.
The GOP, in 2012 putting up Romney, then continuing to rubber-stamp Obama after the 2104 elections...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/27/cold-anger/
"You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim".
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/07/an-open-letter-to-jonah-goldberg-re-the-gop-and-donald-trump/

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:56 AM  

@23
Along with the Deth Guild I alluded to yesterday:

So “WHY TRUMP” we’ve been interrogated. Why “LET IT BURN!?”

We’ll be honest with you Mr. Erikson – Trump could have shot Megyn Kelly in the face on stage and we’d still vote for him. After all… one does not criticize their wrecking ball when it’s going about it’s assigned task. After 2015′s “year of congressional betrayal,” it is patently obvious that this war is no longer about “principles” or “beliefs” – such notions have no proper place when mentioned in the same sentence as “the Republican party.”

No, we are well beyond that – for you see, this little “Trump thing” is about revenge and annihilation – and to be horribly blunt, we can’t even muster the fortitude to feel sorry about it.

The Republicans sold America out for the final time. They’ve methodically set about proving – beyond a shadow of a doubt – that there is exactly ZERO reason we should look to parties or elections to solve what ails this nation. You and your pundit caste badly misjudge the seething rage simmering while you’ve been busy placating the gentry. You’re blind to it because you’re cloistered, removed, out of touch – secure in your womb of mushes and dim, complementary colors. This is why you fail repeatedly to stop Donald Trump. This is how you call his forays so tragically wrong over and over – while us “trashy serfs,” can see the obvious for what it is.

That said, congratulations are in order – as you’ve all fianally done it – by God, you’ve really done it. You’ve actually managed what we felt was long impossible – you have ripped the veil from countless eyes Mr. Erikson. You’ve allowed a two-bit carnival barker to show the world how illegitimate, rudderless and lacking of mandate the Republican party truly is. You’ve removed any distinction between this parliament of whores and their Whig predecessors. Thank you sir. You have helped, in your own small way, to both feed your party’s destroyer and awaken thousands of patriots to the farce that surrounds them....
As pundit Mike Hendrix says:

“Revenge T’ain’t much, certainly. But t’ain’t nothing, either.”
- Mike Hendrix, Cold Fury

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

Messed up the links:

http://www.dethguild.com/an-open-letter-to-erik-erikson/

http://www.dethguild.com/why-vote-let-it-burn/

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

Currently our culture is the leftist narrative that dc.sunsets has described.

Nope. Currently it's a faux culture. Like Vox says, the map is not the territory and the culture is not the leftist narrative.



Blogger CM December 09, 2015 9:57 AM  

I pray that Trumps weakness are tempered by a Congress that doesn't relinquish their duty like they have with Clinton, Bush(s), and Obama.

No fear there! Impeachment on D1! Look how the gloves come off when we have a white president.

Blogger Gordon December 09, 2015 10:04 AM  

@75: " lying, virtue-signalling viciousness that depends from Universalist dogma."

DC, can you suggest any reading on this topic? The Universalist dogma, I mean.

Blogger Stingray December 09, 2015 10:08 AM  

@93

Salt,

Faux culture our not, it doesn't matter. It's where we currently are.

Purely out of curiosity, how do you define culture? I'm going by number 3"

Anonymous Wild Bill December 09, 2015 10:09 AM  

As predicted, the fascists are already drumming up a plan to "legally" disqualify Trump from becoming president. They're going to tie him up in a court battle over his "hate speech" and loop hole him into the "dust bin" as they say.

From the press: "“What Donald Trump said yesterday disqualifies him from being president,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters at the daily press briefing on Tuesday."

So the White House and Pentagon are already chiming in to discredit him. Balance of powers at its best...

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 10:09 AM  

Just had a thought:

If Trump is anyone's Vice President, the President will never have to fear assassination.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 09, 2015 10:10 AM  

I think that Donald Trump is both taking advantage of and assisting a preference cascade.

While it may be true that politics is downstream from culture, for a long time, and at an accelerating pace recently, what has been presented as "American Culture" or what was respectable political discourse was set by an establishment that did not represent the majority of the American people.

Thus the need to impose draconian speech codes and creating such things as gay marriage via judicial fiat.

Seriously, how many people believe that Bruce Jenner, a man who hasn't even had his penis amputated and says he isn't plannig to, (and won't be a women even if he does), and has openly stated that he is not interested in sex with men, is a woman? There is a name for guys that like to dress up as women, but don't want to have gay sex, they are called cross-dressers. But stating such a completely obvious fact would get you ostracized in certain circles. The thing is, those circles were numerically tiny, but control a large part of the public discourse. Or I should say, they did. But that is breaking down. Which is why everyone in the establishment is screaming like a stuck pig over Trump's obvious observation that, given the inherent risk, perhaps we should not let all these Muslims into the U.S.

The problem the establishment faces is that their tried and true methods to shut down the open discussion of crimethink are starting to break down. Barbara Wawa asking if you are a bigot should end your credibility as a public figure, but that line of attack has been overplayed.

The current state of affairs was foreshadowed by the Chik-fil-a buy-cot and the reaction of the public when that guy from Duck Dynasty stated what most people really think about gay sex.

Expect to see further attempt to squelch speech on the Internet, more demands for "codes of conduct" and other attempts to regain control of "the narrative."

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 10:10 AM  

Vox...

When in the last 15 years has Farmer Tom been afraid to admit he was wrong about something? Sure... people change. We see it from time to time. But I chat with Tom ever single day. Multiple times a day.

He doesn't care if he's wrong about that.

Ultimately his complaints, and Josh's, like Resispa's before, are not about trump.

They are about the fact that comment section has become filled with people who aren't tall enough for this ride. They remind me of 8 year old boys who learned a new curse word and just can't wait to use it. So everytime someone says anything negative about Our Lord and Savior Donald The Trump, they have a mad race to see who scream Cuck! first.

This should sound familiar.

Just head to Whatever and see how they use the word racist. Its the exactly same signaling. It is the most rabbity of rabbity behavior. You should not be surprised that it disgusts the wolves.

and... just to prove the point... I wager a good chunk of those reading this comment will have no idea what the rabbit/wolf context actually is.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 10:14 AM  

@95 DC, can you suggest any reading on this topic? The Universalist dogma, I mean.

Hmm. The eye-opener for me is found here: http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/moldbugs-gentle-introduction/

I'm still working my way through it, and I retain some disagreements with it, but overall it is very revelatory. I copied it into a Word document for my own use and it ran to about 200 pages...of very densely argued insights, NOT including the voluminous historical sources in his links. Reading it is exhausting.

Trigger Warning: Moldbug is apparently an atheist, so his criticism of this Universalist thing may offend some Christians.

My own approach is a synthesis of Moldbug's "Red Pill" with Prechter's socionomics, as a means of trying to grasp what is going on when viewed from low Earth orbit.

We live in very, very interesting times.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 10:14 AM  

Faux culture our not, it doesn't matter. It's where we currently are.

Quite so, and we have to deal with it. #3 is closest. I see progressive ideology as equivelent to invasion, and it needs to be dealt with in like manner.

Blogger Rez Zircon December 09, 2015 10:15 AM  

Here's how I see it: Immigration is the only real issue.

Minus immigration, a great deal of the impetus toward gun control vanishes (never mind the immigrant gang and crime issues; the blunt fact is most immigrants are afraid of guns and think only the government should have guns; and even if immigrants don't vote, once they hit critical mass, as they have in California, politicians pander to their wishes).

And minus all that surplus labor, the economy has a chance to improve to the point where what the Federal Reserve does is irrelevant.

Blogger horsewithnonick December 09, 2015 10:15 AM  

Who said anything at all about trusting him?

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 10:18 AM  

@100 Gotta love Nate.

Blogger praetorian December 09, 2015 10:20 AM  

I don't trust Trump not to be the next Hitler...

Awwwwww.

Nbc nightly news last night was hilarious: it was all trump all the time. He was compared with hitler (of course) with whoever interned the Japanese in ww2 (don't think too hard) with McCarthy and then footage of blacks getting firehosed was thrown in. Two hostile analysts were trotted out. The first called trump supporters uneducated and fearful rubes. The second just said hitler for two minutes.

It was glorious. I'm not sure the train has ever been more fine. My sides surely have not.

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 09, 2015 10:20 AM  

I understand why Vox wants to have Conservatives shut up. We're the most powerful group in American politics, and if we find our identity and attack, we'll roll right over the top of Anyone who gets in our way.

Also, Vox, like all alt righters, needs to try to take over the Conservatives if he wants to succeed.

As to your list of 3, I was surprised when you put Gun Control on the list. Then you go on to advocate my case. The simple fact is that Gun Control does not matter any more than South Podawunk Community College's chance to win the Nationals matters.

What matters?
1. Abortion, cuz we're really testing God's patience.
2. Immigration.
3, Skip the Fed. Just declare a Jubilee for the year of 2016. Tell Trump its like America going bankrupt like he did a couple times and we will ick orusevles back up like he did.

A Jubilee is simpler to understand than dealing with the Fed. And it will have broad support.

Blogger ScottD December 09, 2015 10:21 AM  

Trump's latest epic troll:

"I told you @TIME Magazine would never pick me as person of the year despite being the big favorite They picked person who is ruining Germany"

Anonymous E. Burke December 09, 2015 10:21 AM  

While Trump is hardly my ideal candidate, he has exposed the utter bankruptcy of both the institutional GOP and "conservative" establishment (what VDare calls "Conservatism, Inc.) as forces capable of leading an American Restoration.

Blogger Cail Corishev December 09, 2015 10:22 AM  

There's a feedback loop between what's said on TV and the public conversation.

The Nice White People in my family weren't silently angry about immigration -- still aren't, really. "Mildly concerned" would be the strongest term I could apply to them. Since they stick mainly to safe mainstream media sources, they don't know the reality of immigration. And you couldn't tell them about it because the mainstream had declared it off-limits, and because Ellis Island and great-great-grandpa and -grandma O'Doole starving in the hold of a America-bound potato boat. So a year ago, if I'd gone to Christmas dinner and suggested we kick out all Muslims, they would have reacted as if I'd announced a penchant for chubby 15-year-olds.

This year it will be different -- not because their anger has been unleashed, or because they're significantly more anti-immigrant than they were. They probably won't be. But it will be an acceptable topic now, because important people on TV are talking about it; and even if they disagree with me, they won't refuse to discuss it and listen.

Trump did that. It could have been someone else, but it had to be someone like him in some ways, and he did it.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 10:22 AM  

@102 progressive ideology as equivelent to invasion, and it needs to be dealt with in like manner.

To when do you date the initial invasion of Progressivism?

I used to attribute it to an early 19the century thing (rise of Post-Millennial Christian Pietists who embraced the Gnostic Heresy) but now believe it was here all along, like an Alien in the chest, just waiting to burst out. It now looks to me that Progressivist thought goes back to Plymouth Rock and before...all the way to the Levelers in 1650-ish.

Blogger bob k. mando December 09, 2015 10:25 AM  

101. dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 10:14 AM
Trigger Warning:




trigger warning: Nate thinks people who like Moldbug are too short for this ride.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 10:26 AM  

@Nate

Just head to Whatever and see how they use the word racist. Its the exactly same signaling. It is the most rabbity of rabbity behavior. You should not be surprised that it disgusts the wolves.

You're not immune to this, you know:

and... just to prove the point... I wager a good chunk of those reading this comment will have no idea what the rabbit/wolf context actually is.

...because this is signaling. Not only is it signaling, it's virtue signaling: "I'm OG and smarter than these guys who keep using cuck wrong."

Which, of course, the complaint of people misusing the term "cuck" is pointless, as you'll get effectively 11 different working definitions of it when you ask 10 people.

Anonymous Bobby Farr December 09, 2015 10:27 AM  

I would think it goes without saying that no one should trust a politician. The relevant point is that Trump is the first viable candidate to at least pretend to be on the right side of immigration issue since Buchanan in 96 (and it is a stretch to say Buchanan was viable). Through sheer force of charisma, wealth and fame, a Trump nomination would give Americans their first opportunity to vote for a nationalistic candidate in half a century (at least).

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 10:29 AM  

@107 A Jubilee is simpler to understand than dealing with the Fed. And it will have broad support.

Among whom? Every debt is someone else's asset, and with an ocean of debt now in existence, a jubilee looks like striking a match in the belly of the Hindenburg.

Promising a guy you're going to tear up his mortgage looks like an easy sell until you also admit you're going to tear up his pension, his 401(k), and just about every other financial promise he's been made for the last 20 years. Figuring out who is a net gainer and who is a net loser in advance would stump a supercomputer.

Blogger IM2L844 December 09, 2015 10:29 AM  

We're the most powerful group in American politics, and if we find our identity and attack, we'll roll right over the top of Anyone who gets in our way.

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a while and I've read the comments at file 770 recently.

Blogger praetorian December 09, 2015 10:30 AM  

For the record, I would prefer to live in an adult nation where a Paul was electable, and it didn't matter to much anyway. But this is not the situation I find myself in.

I came for the lolz. I stayed for the Overton window shift.

Blogger Markku December 09, 2015 10:30 AM  

As to your list of 3, I was surprised when you put Gun Control on the list. Then you go on to advocate my case. The simple fact is that Gun Control does not matter any more than South Podawunk Community College's chance to win the Nationals matters.

Since you are apparently new, I just want to make sure you understood number 2 right. Vox is saying that it's of secondary importance that Gun Control be STOPPED, not implemented.

Anonymous Poli_Mis December 09, 2015 10:32 AM  

In some respects, this presidential election cycle is becoming for like European politics and perhaps our host's many years as an ex-pat give him some perspective that we in the states are slower to come around to -- for instance, I am not looking for a purity test in any candidate. All are deeply flawed since the good Dr. Paul has retired.

Much of the ado here is about Trump's supposed gun control leanings. I don't think any of them cannot force the issue as it is always a loser with the electorate. 0bama is a grabber for sure and has sold over 100 million guns since taking office.

I think Trump's insipid and not thought out response to the no-fly list gun issue was just meant to sound thoughtful and moderate in the moment. A watered down version of virtue signaling. But whatever may come, if we don't drastically address immigration -- and he is the only one doing it -- we are toast. The rest becomes immaterial.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 10:34 AM  

@111

No disagreement from me. Its always been around, and like fire needs to be contained. The seeds for it to enter into American politics have always been there. Jefferson knew it, which is how I see his statement about watering the tree of liberty every 20 years or so. Franklin said to the woman, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

Biblically, its the fight between good and evil. It's ancient.

Anonymous Poli_Mis December 09, 2015 10:34 AM  

Geez, I typed fast and the typos are stunning. If it doesn't make sense, I will repost.

Blogger Mint December 09, 2015 10:35 AM  

For anyone who still think that adjusting vetting system, or screening visitors will do the trick, I want to share information as an outsider: it is already very difficult to get visa for anyone from Indonesia to enter USA. It takes months even when you are Christian (yes we have our religion in our ID card stated). It will take even more longer time and complicated round about when your name has Muhammad in it. Which I know many has their Visa application base on name alone. (I have a Christian priest named Muhammad, he is a convert.)Consider this is Indonesia. Not a theocratic Islam country in Middle East. The risk is still too high, no matter how well you vet people.

@bob k. mando
I am sorry to answer your question in other thread way late. The churches were shut down. We cried, we begged, we prayed. In the end we have to let go. I believe God has other better plan. We are not in dispair, we keep hope and faith. That is all. Thanks for your pray.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 10:36 AM  

@112 trigger warning: Nate thinks people who like Moldbug are too short for this ride.

I comment here as part of a means to think through my own thoughts. I often wonder if I'd be better off typing in my comment and then simply deleting it, because I'm wise enough to know that no one gives a rat's ass what I think. I also am amused by those who believe their comments occupy a higher plane of existence than this.

As an aside, the greatest entertainment value for Vox Populi occurs (IMO) when the comments veer into flame wars over guns and ammo. Without fail, endless hilarity ensues, most especially if Nate is active in the thread.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 09, 2015 10:37 AM  

@12 dc.sunsets

No man can force an idea whose time has yet to come. Trump is the right man for this time, that's all.
---

In regards to the general public, Trump is the man of the hour.

He's a mix of massive name recognition, previous successes, a very positive attitude when we've all been beat down for years with negativity, a high level of confidence that things can be made better, and a master of rhetoric, in particular the counter punch. Not to mention, he's not one of them and he doesn't take their money.

That's why I say he's the man of the hour. Looking at it like this, I get where Vox is coming from when he says

"In this electoral campaign cycle, Trump is the only candidate who matters, and it is not because of who he is or what he might do if he wins."

Blogger Mint December 09, 2015 10:37 AM  

^ edit
many has their visa application rejected based on name alone.

Blogger Gordon December 09, 2015 10:39 AM  

@114: "since Buchanan in 96"

That was a laugh. Pat ran for president because his sister needed money. He was eligible for federal matching funds besides his own fundraising (and his sister had a fund-raising operation already). She got to take a percentage of the funds raised, plus she took a percentage of what was spent on advertising as his ad director. Nice little racket if you can pull it off.

I can only imagine the fun Pat had waving guns at his crowds, his French-cuffed sleeves in view. And, with him having opposed public funding of campaigns all his life, funding his sister's retirement from it must have been satisfying indeed.

Blogger Jourdan December 09, 2015 10:40 AM  

The Cuckservatives speak:

"Trump and 'the Muslims,' on the Polling Frontrunner's Latest Bad Idea"
-- Ramesh Indian-Name

"Trump is 'Deeply Bigoted, it is Indefensible'"
-- Charles Ashkenazi-Name, Canadian

"Trumpbait Redux"
-- Jonah Jewish-Name

"The Muslim World Contains Multitudes"
-- Reihan Muslim-Name

---- Various Post Titles, National Review, The Corner blog, December 9, 2015


An Anonymous European-American Responds:

"You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim"

Blogger Were-Puppy December 09, 2015 10:41 AM  

@14 Salt

No. What we're seeing is that the American culture is beginning to take a stand.
--

I think so too. Kind of reminds me of that time GWB tried to sell control of our ports to muslims. Everyone was raising hell about that, but it dissipated afterwards. This is more like the frogs have realized the kettle is boiling, and sharpening their claws and fangs.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 10:41 AM  

Something that bugged me about Farmer Tom's mail:

"This place is really going down hill in a hurry.

The host is now full on Trump supporter."

That's the first complaint he has, like it's the most important. Or even that it's important at all. What, should I stop listening to Farmer Tom if he's a full on Carson supporter? Or a Cruz supporter?

But it's suddenly an impardonable sin to lean towards one candidate on your own personal blog.

It's still Vox's house, people. It's not a public square.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 10:42 AM  

"You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim"

I'll be laughing over that all day. Fantastic.

Blogger Sevron December 09, 2015 10:43 AM  

Salt,

Everywhere I've ever seen the Narrative referenced, it was always taken to mean the Left's Narrative. It is the dominant narrarive of our time, like it or not- the entirety of the State, the Academy, the media, the entertainment business, and public schools are in perfect lockstep with the Narrative. That is isn't truly believed in by the majority is irrelevant.

My question is, why do you insist on a definition of the Narrative that is exactly opposite to what is commonly meant, and do you think it is good and effective rhetoric to do so?

Blogger JaimeInTexas December 09, 2015 10:44 AM  

@68. The Gray Man

Limbaugh considers himself to be a protege of William F. Buckley.

In remembrance of Joseph Sobran:

Limbaugh is a conservative respectable.

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 10:45 AM  

As an aside, the greatest entertainment value for Vox Populi occurs (IMO) when the comments veer into flame wars over guns and ammo.

Heh. I like the Prot/Cath fights... but probably for same reason you like ammo/gun fights. I understand it better :p

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 10:45 AM  

@Mint
(I have a Christian priest named Muhammad, he is a convert.)

Your priest should consider a Christian name.

Blogger Krul December 09, 2015 10:47 AM  

@127 Jourdan - "You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim"

So... Trump is to the GOP as Rabid Puppies slate is to the Hugo awards.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 10:48 AM  

"...because this is signaling. Not only is it signaling, it's virtue signaling: "I'm OG and smarter than these guys who keep using cuck wrong."

No sugartits. It has nothing to do with the definition of "cuck" any more than the left's misuse of the word "racist" has to do with the definition of racist.

I'm not disqualifying anyone by throwing a random label for badthink at them.

I am putting up a test, that they, and apparently you, fail. Which disqualifies you, and them, for me.

its a Voxian tactic. Lay a trap... see who falls in it.

Today... it was you.

Blogger Gordon December 09, 2015 10:50 AM  

@135: Dang, that's good. It's a shame one cannot export that comparison without a whole lot of explainin'.

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 09, 2015 10:50 AM  

Markuu, I've been off an on here for about a year. I understand that Vox is against Gun Control.

In fact, if you look back in the threads you'll find me saying that I believe in the right of all Americans to have M1A1 tanks, but not nukes, and then Josh calling me a commie for that.

I'm just surprised that Vox even mentioned Gun Control. The RTKBA's people are doing an excellent job. At this moment, GC is not a major issue because we have the Left pinned on the floor.

=====
IM2L84,
Whatever dude. Its simply how it is. The Base's chief problem is they defend, and they react to rhetoric with dialetic, and they react to lies with attempts at discourse.

The Alt-right does not have these flaws, but they are schismatic to a fault, and many of them are unbalanced. A lot of them are like Groucho Marx, they wouldn't join a club that would have them.

But everyone has flaws. Their most important flaw is they are very few of them.
===========

DC. Sunsets this is a screw the Boomers and the Bankers thing (and also the Universities).

You won't need a supercomputer, all you need is Alexander's sword.

Its like striking that match when you're on the ground looking up at the Hindenberg. I grant you, that for six to eight months, it would be SPECTACULAR.

Keep in mind your other choices:
1. Hyperinflation.
2. Looting of productive assets.
3. World war.
4. We might sell off the national parks to refloat the currency.

It would be popular, and it is a MPAI plan because dealing with the Fed is too complicated.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 09, 2015 10:51 AM  

I love the bug-eyed apoplexy of cuckservatives and progressives when confronted with the reality of Trump, whom they are completely unable to understand or control. They get so emotionally paralyzed that their only response is a strangled "Hitler !!!", at which point they hope he vanishes in a puff of foul-smelling smoke. To their horror, when they open their eyes again he's still there.

Is Trump really just one more politician? I hardly think so. Politicians who remain in the game are the kind of people who (1) happily tell us what we want to hear while (2) fully expecting never to have to actually deliver an effective solution because (3) they ultimately believe there is no solution and BTW (4) they may as well get theirs while they're at it.

Instead, Trump is an iconoclast, someone who revels in building things and making money by sizing up his opponents, then knowing how to cut a good deal. He doesn't do it out of vindictiveness or some craving for power. There's a term for this: it's called earned success, meaning the ability to create value in our lives through effort. People who believe they have earned their success are far happier than those who feel they have not.

Trump is perpetually confrontational, because standing still is not an option, and because he believes he can win. It's as straightforward as that... he knows he can win.

Anonymous E. Burke December 09, 2015 10:52 AM  

@127

Is Paul Gottfried the only Jew who's not a neocon or cuck? I'm a mischling whose skin crawls at the sight of the Jews' fingerprints all over this shit. Do they have no self-awareness? Why can't Jews ever be on the right side (no pin intended)?

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 10:52 AM  

So... Trump is to the GOP as Rabid Puppies slate is to the Hugo awards.

I thought that for a while.

If all candidates are the same, but Trump is on fire, Let it Burn!

He's a great match with that strawberry toupee.

Blogger Markku December 09, 2015 10:56 AM  

I'm just surprised that Vox even mentioned Gun Control. The RTKBA's people are doing an excellent job. At this moment, GC is not a major issue because we have the Left pinned on the floor.

The fear is that Trump would make presence on the no-fly list to automatically mean your guns get grabbed (based on his comments), and there would still be no fixed rules about how you end up on the list. It would then be used as an easy way to disarm any dissidents on the right.

This is a realistic fear. Not a likely one, but not a ridiculous one either. But Vox is saying that since immigration is higher on the list of priorities, the risk should be taken.

Anonymous Confagra December 09, 2015 10:56 AM  

I'm just going to move to Montana, unplug, and raise a crop of dental floss.

We've already started the move. See you there.

Suffice it to say in this day and age, the odd candidate out is most likely the best one. Considering everything, it follows.
That phony, lying Cuck Republicans and their base have actually outed themselves over fundamental issues - that they have always avoided even mentioning being in the tank for - over the past year is nothing short of remarkable. They are now doing it loudly and proudly on a DAILY basis in every MSM outlet out there.
Of course those who don't even understand the historical realities don't realize the outing.
Why are white Iowa farmers anti-white Cucks? Must be all the farming Welfare since the 30's.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian December 09, 2015 10:57 AM  

@135 So... Trump is to the GOP as Rabid Puppies slate is to the Hugo awards.

That is how I see it to be. I thought that was something most would see aorund these parts.

Dr.Ron Paul would be great. Rand doesn't inspire me as much as his father.

But neither has/had a snowball's chance.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 10:58 AM  

"trigger warning: Nate thinks people who like Moldbug are too short for this ride."

I'm not alone in that assessment. Moldbug is candy for midwits. He writes specifically to make midwits feel smart for having read him. By that, I mean he uses 24,000 words to say what an intelligent man could say in 200. and that's great. Hey if reading that idiot makes you feel smarter, by all means have it.

Just don't expect his idiotic ideas to get any respect around a place like this.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:00 AM  

"The fear is that Trump would make presence on the no-fly list to automatically mean your guns get grabbed (based on his comments), and there would still be no fixed rules about how you end up on the list. It would then be used as an easy way to disarm any dissidents on the right."

That's just it. Its not just the No-Fly list. This was every single watch list in existence. over 700,000 people. And there is no recourse. No appeals system. No due process. Just a nameless bureacrat out there adding names to lists... and poof... rights are gone.

I don't give an airborne rodent's posterior about anything else. That will not happen.

Ya know what will halt immigration faster than Doland Trump?

Civil War.

Anonymous Eric Ashley December 09, 2015 11:04 AM  

Markuu,
Thank you. However, I don't think its a realistic fear. Yes, the Left would love to try. Just like I'd love to try to put a layup past Michael Jordan with similar result.

I'll be glad to stop this convo here as we agree to disagree over a minor point.

Anonymous Geoff December 09, 2015 11:04 AM  

Rand Paul's toupée is nicer than Trump's.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 09, 2015 11:05 AM  

the entirety of the State, the Academy, the media, the entertainment business, and public schools are in perfect lockstep with the Narrative. That is isn't truly believed in by the majority is irrelevant.

I disagree. If the majority agreed with "The Narrative" then we would be screwed. It wasn't irrelevant that the majority didn't agree with the narrative put out by the Soviet Union when it fell.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:05 AM  

"You 'conservative pundits' still don't get it. Trump isn't our candidate, he's our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim"

See that sounds so special. The only problem is its BS. If you wanted to kill the GOP... you'd be supporting the guy who really would kill the GOP.

The GOP has barely survived Romney and McCain. No way it would survive JEB!

So yeah... I don't believe you. Partially because I don't think you're dumb enough to make that big a tactical error. You aren't trying to kill the GOP. You're trying to save it by converting it to a Nationalist Party.

You're a pollyanna.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 09, 2015 11:05 AM  

Here we go - the lefties are out painting again:

Trump is a Nazi

Anonymous WillBest December 09, 2015 11:06 AM  

Nate is probably going to get his wish in the end. With the AG announcing dissent is criminal, the border isn't likely to get shut down until we decide to solve the authoritarian issues we have before us.

I find it fascinating that Trump is the one being compared to Voldemort when the only thing he has done is suggest that non-citizens don't have a right to be in the country.

Blogger Krul December 09, 2015 11:09 AM  

@150 Nate - "You aren't trying to kill the GOP. You're trying to save it by converting it to a Nationalist Party."

Is this a bad thing?

Blogger Markku December 09, 2015 11:10 AM  

That's just it. Its not just the No-Fly list. This was every single watch list in existence. over 700,000 people. And there is no recourse. No appeals system. No due process. Just a nameless bureacrat out there adding names to lists... and poof... rights are gone.

That's the Democrats' proposal, yes. In contrast, here's the quote from Trump:
---
"Well, I'd certainly take a look at it. I would," Trump said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "I'm very strong into the whole thing with Second Amendment -- but if you can't fly, and if you've got some really bad -- I would certainly look at that very hard."

Still, he said, in mass shootings, more gun owners could prove helpful.

"I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment," Trump said. "In Paris, they had no guns. In California they had no guns. Only the bad guys had the guns. So they were like sitting ducks, every one of 'em."
---
Now, sadly this is more rambling response than Pope f*cking Francis. But the way I understand it is that he would use the no-fly list as a starting point for finding people to ban from gun ownership, but they would also have to have some really bad [???]. It's not the same position.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 11:10 AM  

@138 Keep in mind your other choices:
1. Hyperinflation.
2. Looting of productive assets.
3. World war.
4. We might sell off the national parks to refloat the currency.


#1: Already had it, but at the wealth level.
#2: See my comments about cannibal/zombie democracy. We agree.
#3: Yang to the Yin of globalism. Already baked into the cake (see next.)
#4: Hell, the entire country has been mortgaged. Dollar-hegemony mercantilism caused the world's export-mercantilist countries to spend decades shipping Americans nifty toys in exchange for Dollar-IOU's. When the time comes for all those claims to rush onto American shores every stadium in the land will have naming rights printed in Chinese characters. (See #3 for consequences.)

#5: Debt-collapse deflation, larger than that of 1930-32. Only after it has run its course will any attempt to "cure" it gain traction. Debt jubilee or hyperinflation via printing physical banknotes seem like good candidates.

Just my guesses, no one knows the future.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 11:10 AM  

Everywhere I've ever seen the Narrative referenced, it was always taken to mean the Left's Narrative.

So?

That is isn't truly believed in by the majority is irrelevant.

That majority, that's the American culture. Hardly irrelevent where the left's narrative is concerned.

My question is, why do you insist on a definition of the Narrative that is exactly opposite to what is commonly meant, and do you think it is good and effective rhetoric to do so?

The left loves to define things in its own terms. I know, Vox says it's best to use their own against them. No problem as that works. Sometimes I like to use their tactics.

Anonymous dt December 09, 2015 11:13 AM  

The Pro-Trumpers are like the girl who goes for the alpha guy.

"Yeah, he's probably lying to me, but...well, his lies are so much better than everybody else's lies!"

Spread your legs for The Donald, ladies. A week later you will be wondering why he doesn't return your calls.

Blogger Brad Andrews December 09, 2015 11:14 AM  

Farmer Tom,

You must miss Nate. People don't know much about him because he is replying much less these days.

Do you think any presidential candidate is not an egomaniac? Even Ron Paul has gone off to pushing a subscription newsletter.

The idea that anyone who would want the job should be disqualified from the job has more merit than ever, but we can't get around the part that someone has to want to run to do so in the first place.

Nate,

I don't view Trump as any kind of savior. I may vote for him, but more to poke the eye of TPTB rather than of some belief he would save us.

None of the candidates are inspiring.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 11:15 AM  

@Nate
No sugartits. It has nothing to do with the definition of "cuck" any more than the left's misuse of the word "racist" has to do with the definition of racist.

I'm not disqualifying anyone by throwing a random label for badthink at them.

I am putting up a test, that they, and apparently you, fail. Which disqualifies you, and them, for me.

its a Voxian tactic. Lay a trap... see who falls in it.

Today... it was you.


You're really responding to an accusation that you're virtue signaling how smart you are by... proclaiming how I obviously fell for your trap, therefore I'm dumber than you?

Oooookay. Nate, is there anything you need to talk about? You know we're here for you.

Re: cuck - you were complaining about people misusing it, then say it has nothing to do with the definition. Care to square that circle?

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:15 AM  

"Thank you. However, I don't think its a realistic fear"

Why don't you think it's realistic? It can happen right this second with a stroke of a pen.. and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about it.

Politically gun control is a dead issue. But this isn't politics. This is bureaucracy.

Anonymous taqiyyologist December 09, 2015 11:15 AM  

There once was a fella named Trump,
With brass ‘nads when he spoke from the stump.
In wet, stormy weather
They jangled together
And lightning shot out of his rump.

Blogger Brad Andrews December 09, 2015 11:16 AM  

Note that the narrative keeps being changed to "defend Trump" rather than focus on the issues that he raises.

What alternatives do those like dt support instead?

Anonymous Leonidas December 09, 2015 11:16 AM  

Trump reminds me a great deal of Ronald Reagan. Both prone to be bombastic, both despised by the party elite, both smarter than they seemed...and I suspect Trump will enjoy the same success.

I've been thinking this a great deal recently, too. For all the hagiography he gets these days, people forget how much the Republican establishment of the time hated and feared Reagan. And the media tries very hard to make us all forget how heavily the painted him as a bumpkin warmongerer who was going to lead us all into World War III with the Soviets.

But at the end of the day, he was playing a very similar game as Trump: take a strong stand and ratchet it up to 11, so that when you dial it back down to 8 later in the game nobody thinks you're a wimp for it.

Also, look at the nicknames the two of them have: The Great Communicator and The Great Negotiator. There's a lot of similarity there, and for good reason. Both of them are able to connect with the masses - especially white, blue collar, non-college-educated masses - in a way that their peers can't.

On the other hand, don't look to their policies for the similarities. The analogy breaks down there pretty quickly. But Trump is very much playing the "come in and shake all the pieces off the board" game that Reagan played in the late 70s, and I agree that he's likely to have similar success with it.

As I said to a coworker yesterday, there's a point when the system becomes so bad that any new system that replaces it is an improvement. I don't think we're quite at that point yet. But I think the current system is so bad that I'm ready to roll the dice. Trump is the only candidate who's actually fighting the system rather than fighting within the system.

It's the same reason I'm a Ron Paul fan and tried to be a Rand Paul fan, but Jr. has demonstrated that he's far too ready to sell out to the system in order to win.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 09, 2015 11:18 AM  


Did Lincoln's transition from Whig to Republican change the underlying politics? Maybe the real issue today with the Republican Party is that it didn't change at all.

The kind of cataclysm now baked into the cake tends to entirely remake political landscapes. It is not the name, it is the essence that should invert.

By the time this worm fully turns it may not be even safe for someone to self-identify as a Democrat.

Here's a thought. Is the goal to remake the GOP into sometime more like the Goldwater party of yore? Just curious.

Blogger kmbr December 09, 2015 11:19 AM  

@157

But it felt sooooo good at the time. (:

And besides, it may be all Trump is doing is showing the way for our Pinochet.

That could be a parody song, "Show me the way for our own Pinochet" (sung to the tune of The Doors Whisky Bar) Leftist heads would fully explode.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer December 09, 2015 11:19 AM  

I find it fascinating that Trump is the one being compared to Voldemort when the only thing he has done is suggest that non-citizens don't have a right to be in the country.

Yeah, Voldermort, among other things, has his giant snake eat a living human being.

Trump says maybe we should slow down on the immigration and be a little more selective on who we let into the country.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:19 AM  

"Re: cuck - you were complaining about people misusing it, then say it has nothing to do with the definition. Care to square that circle?"

When leftists yell "nazi" at someone does it have anything to do with national socialists?

"You're really responding to an accusation that you're virtue signaling how smart you are by... proclaiming how I obviously fell for your trap, therefore I'm dumber than you?"

I'm not smarter than you because you fell into the trap son. the trap demonstrates a knowledge gap... not an intelligence gap. Now.. why is that particular knowledge gap relevant? why did I pick it?

work through it on your own and you'll see how all this ties together.

If I have to walk you through it step by step... well that's gonna be embarrassing.

Blogger Brad Andrews December 09, 2015 11:21 AM  

I like what Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit just posted:

"But don’t worry about Trump. Take Trump as a warning sign of what may come down the road later, if the people who have been running our institutions continue to behave so fecklessly."

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/220867/

Ignoring the implications while crying about the man is not smart. Squelch stuff enough and you will get explosions that are far worse.

Remember how many considered Reagan a radical at the time? I would not consider Trump as a Reagan, but time has a way of putting things into a different light.

Blogger BunE22 December 09, 2015 11:24 AM  

I just saw a segment on Fox regarding the Suffolk poll, whatever that is. Trump was leading. The conversation was that the RNC wants Trump out of the race because they think if he wins the nomination they will lose the presidential race.

So they think running a candidate that's polling at lower numbers will win them the election?

The kicker was, 68% of those polled would still support Trump if he ran as an Independent.

Blogger Benjamin Willard December 09, 2015 11:26 AM  

" they've been staging multiple false flags to try to drum up popular support - yes, they have, there is no question about it"

I must be the dumbest MF'er alive, because I don't see it. The only plausible theory(in my mind) is that all these shooters were seeing some type of shrink or therapist (who were .gov).

The shooters were then brainwashed into shooting as many people as possible and then killing themselves.

Blogger Gaiseric December 09, 2015 11:27 AM  

Why are white Iowa farmers anti-white Cucks? Must be all the farming Welfare since the 30's.

Don't despair yet. Polling is notoriously untrustworthy.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 09, 2015 11:27 AM  

@34 MrGreenMan

I'm just going to move to Montana, unplug, and raise a crop of dental floss.
---

Frank Zappa?

Blogger Achilles December 09, 2015 11:27 AM  

I'd vote for Trump or Cruz, but Trump may be the only candidate who can draw enough turnout to overcome the massive electoral fraud Hillary will employ.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:30 AM  

"I'd vote for Trump or Cruz, but Trump may be the only candidate who can draw enough turnout to overcome the massive electoral fraud Hillary will employ. "

if electoral fraud is your concern... I would focus first on the GOP. You should recall the outright cheating the establishment pulled to screw the front runners in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to get Romney the nomination.

There is reason to suspect they'll do so again.

Blogger CM December 09, 2015 11:32 AM  

So they think running a candidate that's polling at lower numbers will win them the election?

They are (wrongly) relying on Trump supporters still willing to vote (R) in the general. They haven't learned from the last 2 elections.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 11:34 AM  

"They are (wrongly) relying on Trump supporters still willing to vote (R) in the general. They haven't learned from the last 2 elections."

or they don't actually want to win at all. The best possible outcome of this cycle is the birth of a new nationalist party

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 December 09, 2015 11:35 AM  

@166

Voldemort and his followers were also advocating specifically for the murder of the people they targeted, not merely for their exclusion.

Anonymous Bobby Farr December 09, 2015 11:36 AM  

"So they think running a candidate that's polling at lower numbers will win them the election?"

The cuck establishment are liberal out of opportunism and a detachment from mainstream America rather than principle. They actually think (thought?) Jeb Bush represents majority opinion. Imagine how well they might have done if they'd run on a Trumpian platform before the demographic gutting of the USA.

Blogger praetorian December 09, 2015 11:36 AM  

The Pro-Trumpers are like the girl who goes for the alpha guy.

Fuck this echo chamber trump hug box comments section, amirite guys?

Laughing my ass off at the butt hurt Trump is causing across the ideological spectrum is seriously cutting into my tit sugaring time....

Blogger Res Ipsa December 09, 2015 11:37 AM  

Ultimately his complaints, and Josh's, like Resispa's before, are not about trump.

I'm not sure I really have a complaint. I read pretty much every day. Like everyone else some topics interest me more than others. By the time I get around to the computer the conversations I care about have mostly moved on or digressed into side issues. No harm in that.

As far as Farmer Tom goes, his prediction was based on first hand information that he gained by actually talking to the people who are in grassroots republican activism in Iowa. In the ten or so years I've known FT this is something he has been involved with. FT has a better grasp on what these folks think than any MSM reporter covering it.

FT's information was based on first hand intelligence gained from original sources and reported in real time. The way I interpreted his data was that as far as the Republican leadership was concerned "the fix was in" to keep Trump out of the #1 spot in Iowa as an effort to keep him from winning the nomination.

Will FT be proven correct? We will see on Feb 1. Does it make sense that for purposes of controlling the eventual nomination that the Republican powers that be, would do everything they can to keep those first 30 convention delegates from going to Trump?

I'm not an up loaded internet super intelligence or anything, but I think if I was trying to keep business as usual in Sodom on Potomac, I'd look to fix the Iowa Caucus and have anybody but Trump win it.

Blogger MidKnight (#138) December 09, 2015 11:39 AM  

@DreadIlkZee

Limited immigration is healthy and sustainable for those people who what to come to this country and adopt western values and our culture. Mass migration is war and frankly Trump is the only one who seems to realize we need to defend ourselves.

That - right there. And even with limited immigration not always.

Most Lithuanians I know, even the third-wavers who came over escaping the communists, are comfortably and casually liberal and if they have pride of heritage, are casually elitist about it vs. "ignorant americans". Me - I'm amazed at how provincial so many of those credentialed twats (progressives in general) are. They really can't understand different people have their own culture, wants/etc. Yeah, that makes them no different than a lot of other college students who think they're educated, but you'd think an existential threat like that would leave a basic skepticism even after a generation or two.

That said, the background culture is not one of individual freedom - the current gen in Lithuania has more experience opposing collectivism and its evils - to the extent that english culture was.

It was my grandad - dedicated Bircher most of his life after escaping communism - going back to the old world in the 90's, and my observations of kids of Lithuanian immigrants that hurt and confirmed what Vox wrote about re: magic soil.

Anonymous Eric the Red December 09, 2015 11:40 AM  

Trump is proving the following...

The GOP and cuckservatives in general have been losing to the left for decades because they've been in reactive mode, which means they're constantly on defense which means they misuse their limited energy resources. They're stuck in a massive feedback loop while the country swirls down the proverbial drain.

Instead, they should have been constantly initiating confrontation, which would not only have automatically employed a different strategy with inherently greater chance of success, but it would also have allowed them to apply most of their energy for reaching goals, i.e., to win.

Being a conservative has come to mean attempting to stand still, all the while being pushed backward. The militant right must now take over and move forward. To those who have understanding, Trump has changed the whole equation.

Blogger James Dixon December 09, 2015 11:40 AM  

> "Yeah, he's probably lying to me, but...well, his lies are so much better than everybody else's lies!"

The base assumption for any politician should be that he's lying. That doesn't mean you shouldn't make a choice.

Anonymous Whitey McWhite December 09, 2015 11:40 AM  

Nate: "When leftists yell "nazi" at someone does it have anything to do with national socialists?"

They're merely accusing you of wanting to kill six million Jews.

Anonymous Viidad December 09, 2015 11:41 AM  

Pinochet did make Chile great again.

Anonymous Baseball Savant December 09, 2015 11:42 AM  

Vox...

When in the last 15 years has Farmer Tom been afraid to admit he was wrong about something? Sure... people change. We see it from time to time. But I chat with Tom ever single day. Multiple times a day.

He doesn't care if he's wrong about that.

Ultimately his complaints, and Josh's, like Resispa's before, are not about trump.

They are about the fact that comment section has become filled with people who aren't tall enough for this ride. They remind me of 8 year old boys who learned a new curse word and just can't wait to use it. So everytime someone says anything negative about Our Lord and Savior Donald The Trump, they have a mad race to see who scream Cuck! first.

This should sound familiar.

Just head to Whatever and see how they use the word racist. Its the exactly same signaling. It is the most rabbity of rabbity behavior. You should not be surprised that it disgusts the wolves.

and... just to prove the point... I wager a good chunk of those reading this comment will have no idea what the rabbit/wolf context actually is.


Agree with Nate here. I used to read the comments all the time & follow the discussion, but now I just scroll through & look for specific names to read.

Anonymous crushlimbraw December 09, 2015 11:42 AM  

"This place has not changed, but the world has." - that is a mouthful, VD.
The biggest factor in my discussions with others, both friend and foe, is that they turned off their situational awareness radar - some as far back as 25 years ago or more - and are still operating on that basis.
Hell, there are things I said five years ago that I now disclaim and hope no one ever sees them in print.

Blogger Sevron December 09, 2015 11:46 AM  

Salt,

But the Left doesn't call it the Narrative. They just call it the truth, and what's right and good and glorious and if you don't agree you're a cis-whatever patriarchal shitlord who has no place, NO PLACE! in a civilized blah blah blah blah. It's we, the opponents of the Left, who refer to all their bullshit as the Narrative. So why redefine it?

Blogger Sherrie December 09, 2015 11:46 AM  

There are only three issues that matter today. In their current order of importance, they are:
Immigration, Gun Control, Federal Reserve


Yes! When people get funny about Trump's other issues, such as eminent domain, I think "Seriously? Especially with immigration, it's like there's a ticking time bomb in our house. It's about to go boom, and you're worrying that someone might make off with the good silver." It's nuts.

If we don't stop this now, we will have no house. We will have no silver. We will have nothing to pass along to the next generation, and I for one, am pissed off.

And for my own tastes I would add:
Continuance of the Christian Western Civilisation / End of White Genocide

Funny, a year ago, I didn't even think about this. Now it's practically ALL I think about. I view almost everything in this context. BTW, Stefan Molyneaux did a great podcast on this yesterday. I know his atheism might be be popular here, but in this case, I think you'd love it. He railed against how White Christians are the ONLY ones expected to sacrifice their culture on the alter of cultural diversity. Funny too, he had some great examples of how Israel, for example, protects their culture, yet gets all pissy when we try to protect ours.

As far as Trump, I can't help but wonder if he's our last chance to avoid a bloody civil war, and potentially sooner than we might think.

OpenID theasdgamer December 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

Mrs. Gamer has favored Carson in the past. Carson has said that he's against letting people in urban areas own automatic weapons, like automatic pistols such as a Glock.

Once Mrs. Gamer finds this out, I expect her to abandon Carson. Carson is unelectable and it's better to abandon him early and let him get out early. Carson is so politically clueless that he is willing to take on the NRA. That's not good if you're a politician--to be politically clueless.

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 11:47 AM  

@Nate
If I have to walk you through it step by step... well that's gonna be embarrassing.

Yes, you're certainly not signaling how much smarter you are.

work through it on your own and you'll see how all this ties together.

There is zero reason for me to even attempt to do so, as it just appears to be you posturing.

Now if you just, I dunno, used dialect instead of preening, I'm sure you'd get somewhere.

When leftists yell "nazi" at someone does it have anything to do with national socialists?

Yes, actually. It has to do with what leftists think a nazi is, which is of course at odds with what national socialist actually was and did.

Anonymous BigGaySteve December 09, 2015 11:53 AM  

•Federal Reserve We can ignore the latter. None of the candidates even understand the issue

Trump might be able to understand it, after all its where his money is printed.

more than the combined efforts of every anti-immigrationist, every open-borders skeptic, and every anti-free trade economist

James OKeefe $50k did more than everyone before to fight voter fraud, $100,000 for 6 abortion videos that did more than everyone before, and now Trump just using twitter for free. Looks like we are on a roll.


And remember-it's not that the world changed, it's that some very evil people CHANGED it.

They profited well from your expense is the big difference.

Blogger kmbr December 09, 2015 11:55 AM  

@182 **Instead, they should have been constantly initiating confrontation, which would not only have automatically employed a different strategy**

You are assuming they actually believe anything, stand for anything or even worse don't mostly agree with the opposition.

Here we have a Rubio. A guy, who, if anyone should "get" it, it should be him. (Cuba, communism, all that).

His earlier speeches, when he used the Tea Party to get elected, somewhat implied that he understood. He's the biggest tool out there. In another ten years, he WILL be Lindsey Graham with heterosexual leanings.

Whether he did understand at one time and simply buckled under the pressure or just never stood for anything is really immaterial. He is now a force for bad.

We have that times about 500.

I don't know who wold initiate the confrontation. We got no one. Two, three people maybe. I don't count Cruz, as I said before I am convinced he's part of the kabuki. A sleeper agent "conservative" with a photographic memory and a bookmarked link to the von Mises site.



Anonymous Athor Pel December 09, 2015 11:56 AM  

"100. Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 10:10 AM
...
Ultimately his complaints, and Josh's, like Resispa's before, are not about trump.

They are about the fact that comment section has become filled with people who aren't tall enough for this ride. They remind me of 8 year old boys who learned a new curse word and just can't wait to use it. So everytime someone says anything negative about Our Lord and Savior Donald The Trump, they have a mad race to see who scream Cuck! first.
...
"



When you and Josh go off on Trump it sounds just like someone running a PR campaign to undermine Trump's message and intimidate anyone that dares discuss what he has to say. I've seriously begun to think you two have been paid off because you are so consistent in your message and tone.

Very few of the long term readers here believe in our political system's ability to work for the benefit of this nation's people. Very few likely vote at all. Many likely would welcome state or regional level seccession from fedgov. So for you and Josh to come out shooting rhetorically every time Trump is discussed sounds like the same kind of fear the Republican establishment is pushing. Please, let that sink in.

Look, most of what Vox is talking about is new to a great many people. What you are seeing are men, (new readers), that have just been handed a life preserver when previously all they knew was inevitable doom. They are freaking excited to be given some hope. You and Josh come in and piss all over part of it, Trump. You two sound like you don't want these doomed men to even taste hope. Of course they aren't going to like it.

Learning takes time. The Ilk have digested waves of newcomers before. They learned. The enlarged Ilk kept going.


Wider America and Europe, made up of average non-political people, are learning who their enemies truly are. It is a beast and it is waking up. Telling the beast it's stupid won't help the beast or change its trajectory. It will only eat you too.

Anonymous Gen. Kong December 09, 2015 11:58 AM  

As to why so many Christians in Iowa like Uncle Ben (who favors gun control, open borders and all the other lovely polices of the so-called "opposition" party), it's called "status-whoring" I believe. The Christians there apparently think if they support the Repuke Magic Negro version 3.0, their SJW "Christians" down the road (who are busy importing Musloids from places like Somalis to settle in such places) will think they are nice people and not send the Dept. of Children's Services to to kidnap homeschooled children of traditional Christians (such as happened recently in Norway). This is of course a failure to understand the actual nature of SJW's - even, maybe especially, those who refer to themselves as "Christian". As for Ted Cruz, readers should keep in mind that he's married to Goldman-Sachs, so whay he says is meaningless. All Repuke runners for teleprompter-reader in chief are controlled by TPTB - except (maybe) Trump.

Even Trump might be a staking horse - a Perot for 2016 whose purpose is to self-immolate just in time for Jeb or the Lizard Queen.

Blogger Krul December 09, 2015 11:59 AM  

I empathize with FT, Nate, et al with regard to the blog. Nate had the similar complaints when commenters from Alpha Game started migrating over here, if you recall.

Nevertheless, their complaints are at odds with Vox's ambition. As Vox's influence grows through this online community that he built grows too, and that means more new commenters who aren't familiar with the old in-jokes and references that made the place fun back when it was relatively obscure.

Lesbian Dorito Night, anyone?

Blogger Student in Blue December 09, 2015 12:01 PM  

@Athor Pel
I've seriously begun to think you two have been paid off because you are so consistent in your message and tone.

Paid shills are a bit different. The people who are paid are more dispassionate, still unwavering in stance, but not as emotionally invested.

Blogger Salt December 09, 2015 12:01 PM  

It's we, the opponents of the Left, who refer to all their bullshit as the Narrative. So why redefine it?

They fully understand its use, and they smile. To them, they have the upper hand and their opposition is reactionary. Changing it on them makes them react, and that pisses them off. They don't smile.

Blogger Nate December 09, 2015 12:05 PM  

"
There is zero reason for me to even attempt to do so, as it just appears to be you posturing.

Now if you just, I dunno, used dialect instead of preening, I'm sure you'd get somewhere."

That's just it. Those of us who've been around here... those of us who are part of this culture speak the language... we know the inside jokes. We know the backstory. We don't have to attempt.

You wouldn't have to attempt anything if you did.

Just like you don't have to attempt to know what the word "red" is. You just know.

the Dread Ilk know that Wolves and Rabbits refers to Anonymous Conservatives R and K selection theory... and that screaming "racist" was R selected behavior... hence... the rabbits of whatever.

Its not because I'm smarter than you. Its because I am part of the group. I know the culture of the group and history of the group.

Now what is the primary complaint again?

Right. That to many knew people are showing up that don't fit in with the group. (Ironic considering this is all about the negatives of immigration right?)

And that's why you laughed at the Trump parody comments the other day. Because you recognize some truth in them.

Hell man right now in another place the core of the Dread Ilk are having an intelligent discussion about Trump and his policies and his effects on the race.

Its just not happening here.

Because here... you can't say anything without some idiot yelling "CUCK!" Yelling cuck is rabbit behavior. Rabbit behavior can be found everywhere. We don't have to come here for that. In fact.. we came here to avoid that.

"Yes, actually. It has to do with what leftists think a nazi is, which is of course at odds with what national socialist actually was and did."

That's profoundly stupid. "nazi".. like "racist".. and "sexist" and now "cuck" are just disqualify words that translate to "badthink". Definitions have no meaning to the rabbits that use them. Words are about emotional responses to them and that is all. They use nazi because it gets an emotional response. yelling "nazi" at someone means "outgroup!"

Which is exactly what yelling "cuck" at someone means.

and the idea that someone that showed up a week ago... could outgroup someone like Josh who's been hear for over a decade... is pretty stupid.






Anonymous patrick kelly December 09, 2015 12:05 PM  

@7 dc.sunsets: "I can't believe, at this point, that anyone with an IQ above 70 doesn't grasp that immigration + welfare state = import the world's crap."

The Emperor's clothes are beautiful and the train is fine.

@23 tz: "only Trump has seemed to notice, we are at war and traitors and enemy sympathizers don't do well."

And the populace keeps mocking the new canary's swan song no matter how many they see die in front of their eyes.

@26 kmbr: "I find a lot of run of the mill conservatives have extremely strong normalcy bias."

I wish I could curl up under the covers of normalcy bias.

@63 Salt: ""Remember Reagan's "Morning in America?" It resonated because most of the adults in 1980 remembered that America. It had existed only 20 years before." "

Trump is everything the left accused Reagan of being, an he won two landslides.

I'm not always sure whether I'm attending meetings of future brownshirts or minutemen here, but I keep reading.


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